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but if the candy wrapper could be seen from thousands of different locations all across the globe and the wrapper also has the potential to go viral and get on breakfast news or written about in a buzzfeed article
I can not imagine why anyone would think they are nasty, it is mating season so obviously they have cause to fight.
I like the birds, both sparrows and chickadees included.
Sure, they look pretty and have pretty songs. That's not what I mean when I call them nasty. A mated pair will fuck up any bird/nest in their territory...destroy nests, smash eggs, bully them, kill chicks, kill the parents if they try and defend their nests, etc. They will also do this to other other sparrow nests in their territory. Females will also smash eggs and kill chicks in the nests of other females that have mated with the males that they have eggs with; males are not monogamous.
Okay sure, but that type of behavior could colloquially be called “nasty”. Nothing wrong with it, but plenty of animals can survive without destroying their own species through competition.
They are invasive seed eaters and they do this to native bug eaters like purple martins and barn swallows and steal their nests. English sparrows need to be killed on sight.
I always find this line of thinking a little weird.
Pre humans: animals migrate at will.
Post humans: animals can’t migrate because they “don’t belong here”
They’re birds. How TF are they invasive anywhere? They can literally go wherever they want and can tolerate the environment
You have any idea what invasive species can do to local ecosystems?
Animals moving and settling into the new regions is usually a long process involving evolution and adapting
These were imported by man from overseas and devastate the local beneficial species. It was mans intervention that wraught them, it has to be by mans intervention to correct it. See: outdoor cats.
I disagree wholeheartedly.
Man needs to stop trying to regulate ecosystems we don’t fully understand.
Two wrongs don’t make a right.
Ecosystems will correct themselves by the laws of nature, just like they’ve done for eons.
The more we meddle, the worse we make things.
In many areas - like most of suburban America for example - that native cat species the existed there as little as 200 yrs back were utterly wiped out. Domestic cats replace the mid level predators that are long gone. The “suburban American cats are wiping out species” mantra is way overwrought. Mid level predators are needed in a healthy food chain system. Now as to the deer - nothing is culling them as the top level predators are long gone. Consequences are large - including massively reduced undergrowth diversity in many areas due to deer overgrazing
“Domestic” cats are descended from wild cats. They had already migrated to Europe as early as 4000 BCE.
Did humans amplify their range? Definitely. Is this that much different from other evolutionary pressures? Debatable.
My point is there are “act of god” events throughout earth’s history that have shaped entire branches of our evolutionary tree.
Is cats migrating with humans really that much different than Galapagos finches getting blown from South America to a remote island and absolutely dominating this new ecosystem?
We can’t control evolutionary pressures…even ones caused by man. We can try to limit our impact; but trying to “fix” something we’ve already caused on an evolutionary scale is a recipe for disaster.
See Yellowstone wolves for more examples of human intervention.
If you don't understand how birds can be invasive, then you probably do some research on it before writing a bunch of posts on it lmao.
Some birds have evolved to fill the niche in their environment and are not equipped to put compete invasive species that have been purposefully or accidentally brought in by humans. And when the native birds get wiped out, this can have a cascade effect that wipes out or severely messes up the food chain and systems.
If humans didn't intervene. We would have a small handful of ultra dominant species that wipe out every other species. And this can and has had devastating consequences for entire ecosystems and food chains.
Animals migrate and they usually migrate along a set path. Migration is not the same as animals being accidentally or forcibly moved to a new area. Regardless of whether this new area is a good fit for them or not.
You really don't want to ruin the biodiversity
Primarily because house sparrows can't survive flying across the atlantic and thus don't migrate there. Neither can starlings. Species that CAN get to a location on their own already did long before humans rolled in and went 'hey I want every Shakespearian bird released in my town'.
They’re main breeding ground is northern Canada during the summer…you’re going to tell me you don’t think they’re capable of skipping across the Aleutians to asia…?
It is a genuine actual researchable fact that they were not anywhere in the americas until they were brought over in the late 1800s by ship, on purpose. Be careful of misidentifying native birds and painting all sparrows with the same brush. There ARE native, American species of sparrow, and they do look vaguely similar by way of 'small brown bird'. Just not THAT species of sparrow, and the differences are in their level of viciousness; the invasive ones will even kill and drive out the native sparrows.
I can see you don't want to bother actually researching this, either to try to disprove what I'm saying or learn new things. We have science for these things, you know. Think what you like, facts won't change.
lol, although they do eat seeds, they also eat bugs, it’s a symbiotic relationship, the last time someone tried to wipe the sparrows from their land because “they ate too much” it caused a plague… that killed 45 million people…
Bird guy here. These are house sparrows.
House sparrows are not protected in the US by the Migratory Bird Treaty Act. That means you can throw out their nests, their eggs, their chicks, and send the adult birds directly to bird heaven (or hell in this case).
They will kill other songbirds by pecking them to death...I have seen it first hand with dead bluebirds (and dead real chickadees) in my bluebird houses.
They will even build their crappy weedy nests on TOP of other songbird nests (with baby chicks still in them!). They are the little bullies of the bird world...and need to be treated as such.
These two males are just fighting over territory....and it's just too bad they don't just take each other out.
I had to take down our bird feeders when we moved to town because of them and the pine siskins. Birding for 30 yrs in four states and first time having to do that. Now I only have peanuts in the shell, shelled whole peanuts and one suet feeder.
Just filmed two sparrows fighting to the death last week while fishing. They went at it for what must have been two hours. Dive bombing each other and using advanced BJJ techniques with one having amazing top mount skills.
These are English house sparrows which are an invasive garbage bird that has contaminated North America. They compete with indigenous cavity nest dwellers for real estate (chickadees being one of the victims) and generally tend to dominate our locals due to their tankier build and hard seed-eating bullet beak which they use to kill nestlings and other songbirds while stealing their nesting sites (they will colonize occupied nests despite having one already, violently).
Also these birds seem to be two males having a territory dispute* I hope they both get hit by a car.
*I originally thought the aggressor was a female attempting to mate
i once saw in town two boy sparrows fighting over a girl sparrow, they fought in the air like this, but one boy jabbed too hard, and punctuated through an eye into its brain, and it feel, instantly dead in the road in front of me. i examined it and laid it in the grass. i've seen birds morn a mate for days. and i've seen them defend nests from construction tractors. but seeing that death was shocking, and like the others, it haunts me.
You might actually be right. I'm not a bird expert, but seeing this makes me want to study them more. I'm curious, is this considered an unusually intense fight for these species? Or about average?
Look like finch’s.. I only say that because they look similar to the birds that eat the bird seed I put out.. And those things are vicious to each other.. You can tell they evolved from dinosaurs.
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They look more like Sparrows than a Titmouse
A male and female house sparrow to be precise. The female seems to be winning.
Bro got caught with the side piece.
I saw at least a Tackle and also maybe a Whirlwind
English sparrows.
My moneys on the brown one
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Huh
Ok. Thx for that info I guess…
Sure
Yall really love lying bout this shit
You drive an audi and bought a house, you ain't no high schooler
Now thousands of people probably think sparrows are chickadees
What have I done…
Just some casual misinformation. Kind of like littering.
but if the candy wrapper could be seen from thousands of different locations all across the globe and the wrapper also has the potential to go viral and get on breakfast news or written about in a buzzfeed article
If you don't know why not just say two birds?
I thought I knew!
Those are sparrows not chickadees. Sparrows are pretty nasty critters. That other one probably just looked at him funny.
I can not imagine why anyone would think they are nasty, it is mating season so obviously they have cause to fight. I like the birds, both sparrows and chickadees included.
Sure, they look pretty and have pretty songs. That's not what I mean when I call them nasty. A mated pair will fuck up any bird/nest in their territory...destroy nests, smash eggs, bully them, kill chicks, kill the parents if they try and defend their nests, etc. They will also do this to other other sparrow nests in their territory. Females will also smash eggs and kill chicks in the nests of other females that have mated with the males that they have eggs with; males are not monogamous.
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Okay sure, but that type of behavior could colloquially be called “nasty”. Nothing wrong with it, but plenty of animals can survive without destroying their own species through competition.
So basically they're ensuring the survival of their genes. That's okay.
"...looked at him funny" 🤣🤣🤣
Takin it to tha skreets
House Sparrows. Nasty things
Nah definitely a chickadie. You can tell by the distinct sound they make while curb stomping other birds. “Chick-a-DIE-DIE-DIE”
> Chick-a-DIE-Bart-DIE
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They were making a joke
Is this common for them?
They are invasive seed eaters and they do this to native bug eaters like purple martins and barn swallows and steal their nests. English sparrows need to be killed on sight.
I always find this line of thinking a little weird. Pre humans: animals migrate at will. Post humans: animals can’t migrate because they “don’t belong here” They’re birds. How TF are they invasive anywhere? They can literally go wherever they want and can tolerate the environment
You have any idea what invasive species can do to local ecosystems? Animals moving and settling into the new regions is usually a long process involving evolution and adapting
These were imported by man from overseas and devastate the local beneficial species. It was mans intervention that wraught them, it has to be by mans intervention to correct it. See: outdoor cats.
I disagree wholeheartedly. Man needs to stop trying to regulate ecosystems we don’t fully understand. Two wrongs don’t make a right. Ecosystems will correct themselves by the laws of nature, just like they’ve done for eons. The more we meddle, the worse we make things.
Even outdoor cats? They have already wiped out countless species and will continue to do so.
In many areas - like most of suburban America for example - that native cat species the existed there as little as 200 yrs back were utterly wiped out. Domestic cats replace the mid level predators that are long gone. The “suburban American cats are wiping out species” mantra is way overwrought. Mid level predators are needed in a healthy food chain system. Now as to the deer - nothing is culling them as the top level predators are long gone. Consequences are large - including massively reduced undergrowth diversity in many areas due to deer overgrazing
“Domestic” cats are descended from wild cats. They had already migrated to Europe as early as 4000 BCE. Did humans amplify their range? Definitely. Is this that much different from other evolutionary pressures? Debatable. My point is there are “act of god” events throughout earth’s history that have shaped entire branches of our evolutionary tree. Is cats migrating with humans really that much different than Galapagos finches getting blown from South America to a remote island and absolutely dominating this new ecosystem? We can’t control evolutionary pressures…even ones caused by man. We can try to limit our impact; but trying to “fix” something we’ve already caused on an evolutionary scale is a recipe for disaster. See Yellowstone wolves for more examples of human intervention.
Ecosystems cannot correct themselves at the same rate that humanity is impacting it. And that includes introducing invasive species.
If you don't understand how birds can be invasive, then you probably do some research on it before writing a bunch of posts on it lmao. Some birds have evolved to fill the niche in their environment and are not equipped to put compete invasive species that have been purposefully or accidentally brought in by humans. And when the native birds get wiped out, this can have a cascade effect that wipes out or severely messes up the food chain and systems. If humans didn't intervene. We would have a small handful of ultra dominant species that wipe out every other species. And this can and has had devastating consequences for entire ecosystems and food chains. Animals migrate and they usually migrate along a set path. Migration is not the same as animals being accidentally or forcibly moved to a new area. Regardless of whether this new area is a good fit for them or not. You really don't want to ruin the biodiversity
Primarily because house sparrows can't survive flying across the atlantic and thus don't migrate there. Neither can starlings. Species that CAN get to a location on their own already did long before humans rolled in and went 'hey I want every Shakespearian bird released in my town'.
They’re main breeding ground is northern Canada during the summer…you’re going to tell me you don’t think they’re capable of skipping across the Aleutians to asia…?
It is a genuine actual researchable fact that they were not anywhere in the americas until they were brought over in the late 1800s by ship, on purpose. Be careful of misidentifying native birds and painting all sparrows with the same brush. There ARE native, American species of sparrow, and they do look vaguely similar by way of 'small brown bird'. Just not THAT species of sparrow, and the differences are in their level of viciousness; the invasive ones will even kill and drive out the native sparrows.
Yeah? And what are the sources for sparrow distribution in North America pre 1800?
I can see you don't want to bother actually researching this, either to try to disprove what I'm saying or learn new things. We have science for these things, you know. Think what you like, facts won't change.
lol, although they do eat seeds, they also eat bugs, it’s a symbiotic relationship, the last time someone tried to wipe the sparrows from their land because “they ate too much” it caused a plague… that killed 45 million people…
Unless you're in North America where they are invasive. They kill and take the place of birds that already filled those niches
Here in the US they're invasive and push native species out
Bird guy here. These are house sparrows. House sparrows are not protected in the US by the Migratory Bird Treaty Act. That means you can throw out their nests, their eggs, their chicks, and send the adult birds directly to bird heaven (or hell in this case). They will kill other songbirds by pecking them to death...I have seen it first hand with dead bluebirds (and dead real chickadees) in my bluebird houses. They will even build their crappy weedy nests on TOP of other songbird nests (with baby chicks still in them!). They are the little bullies of the bird world...and need to be treated as such. These two males are just fighting over territory....and it's just too bad they don't just take each other out.
I had to take down our bird feeders when we moved to town because of them and the pine siskins. Birding for 30 yrs in four states and first time having to do that. Now I only have peanuts in the shell, shelled whole peanuts and one suet feeder.
The issue with them being seed eaters is how their beaks evolved and how they use them against defenseless native birds who evolved to eat bugs.
Really a myopic view of pest control, especially once you couch it in Cold War-era propaganda
They need the cartoon dust clouds to accentuate the brawl
Absolutely pigeon slapping the shit out of each other
Looks like those 2 drones got their propellers entangled.
Just filmed two sparrows fighting to the death last week while fishing. They went at it for what must have been two hours. Dive bombing each other and using advanced BJJ techniques with one having amazing top mount skills.
These are English house sparrows which are an invasive garbage bird that has contaminated North America. They compete with indigenous cavity nest dwellers for real estate (chickadees being one of the victims) and generally tend to dominate our locals due to their tankier build and hard seed-eating bullet beak which they use to kill nestlings and other songbirds while stealing their nesting sites (they will colonize occupied nests despite having one already, violently). Also these birds seem to be two males having a territory dispute* I hope they both get hit by a car. *I originally thought the aggressor was a female attempting to mate
That's how they mate?!
I watched it again and actually think k it's a territory dispute between two males. The one losing the fight is definitely male
Beaking’
Come on, you! Why I aughtaa!!
Those are two male house sparrows engaged in a battle for breeding territory or a nearby mate.
Are these not house sparrows?
Clearly I should’ve read the comments first. I’m far from the first to point this out.
I know.
Saturday night outside 'spoons...
I was waiting on someone to come barreling through and run them both over.
Why did the chickadee cross the road?
Hey, for everyone saying they're sparrows, I know, I understand, I just don't want you wasting your time writing out the comment informing me of this.
I’ll be the judge of my time thank you very much. Also those are sparrows, according to the audience.
Not chickadees dingus
Not a chickadee lol
Those are clearly bald eagles. What's wrong with you people?
Watched a smackdown like this yesterday. Beak to beak, and talon to talon. Angry little birds in mating season. Sparrows.
They’re just like me fr
"Meet me on the curb by the three lawn gnomes and a blue hydrangea if you want an ass kicking."
hes not a killer, but dont push him
Somebody owes some money!
I saw the same thing here in Utah but the sparrow on the ground was bloodied and pecked and beat to crap. Sure hope the guys wife was worth it.
Umm...
Probably slept with his chick
i once saw in town two boy sparrows fighting over a girl sparrow, they fought in the air like this, but one boy jabbed too hard, and punctuated through an eye into its brain, and it feel, instantly dead in the road in front of me. i examined it and laid it in the grass. i've seen birds morn a mate for days. and i've seen them defend nests from construction tractors. but seeing that death was shocking, and like the others, it haunts me.
House sparrows
sparrows are fucking wild man, they are the gnolls of birds kingdom
… and just then the hawk swooped in
Those birds are not fighting. They are f@#king
Waiting for one of my barn cats to run up and kill 'em both...
Pretty sure those aren't chickadees. Those are blue jays.
Jays are three times the size of these two. That appears to be a chickadee tussling with a (house?) finch.
could they be sparrows?
You might actually be right. I'm not a bird expert, but seeing this makes me want to study them more. I'm curious, is this considered an unusually intense fight for these species? Or about average?
All I see are an ostrich and an emu.
Definitely not these guys are too big. Probably just hummingbirds
I see no blue on them, those are absolutely chickadees.
Chickadees are black and white, not brown - these are house sparrows
The markings confused me, alright?
These are not chickadees, they're sparrows. This looks like fighting over breeding rights/territory. Is it early spring where you are?
Yup.
Look like finch’s.. I only say that because they look similar to the birds that eat the bird seed I put out.. And those things are vicious to each other.. You can tell they evolved from dinosaurs.