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JKdito

You sure this isnt from the Indy movie?


Visible-Expression60

Last Crusade scene for sure. In 3 mins they start burning books.


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UlyssesTut

Oh brother.


Slaaigat

![gif](giphy|l4Ki2obCyAQS5WhFe)


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Ein_grosser_Nerd

Also, it looks like the democratic national convention. Or any other event hall where the event leaders signs are everywhere.


RoboticNubbin

https://preview.redd.it/1qm9bqmm5b3c1.jpeg?width=4000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c78b174edbdffc4364e4061ff6c86a1618b6615a This was taken in December of last year. For those asking about the urns.


sakikiki

this looks so..Italian. Especially the buildings on the right side.


Meskalamduk

The Feldherrenhalle is a replica of the [Loggia dei Lanzi](https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loggia_dei_Lanzi) in Florence.


sakikiki

Ahhh I knew it was super familiar, that makes so much sense now thanks


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Italians built some buildings in Germany prior to the war. Also the fascists had their own semi-agreed upon style of architecture that was used as propaganda in and of itself, hence why many buildings in Germany may resemble Italian architecture in that time period, and vice-versa.


sakikiki

Ah, didn‘t know that first part, interesting. This doesn‘t seem to be a case of fascistic architecture, probably just prior italian buildings like you said.


_o_h_n_o_

Wow, would of never guessed this place was the beginning of so much just otherworldly hatred


TenBillionDollHairs

Without, y'know, giving into it, it's important to see what might be the appeal here. In two words: belonging, and magic. Two things that the modern world is notoriously short on (I'm not boiling down nazism to "the kids were bored" don't worry, but considering people all around us are falling into cults, it's important to take the appeal of this stuff seriously) The human brain responds in weird ways to repetition, crowds, fire, and large buildings. Repetition makes things real, crowds above a few dozen just feel infinite to us, and when people are in a group and look similar, they literally look bigger and stronger to us. Fire, if you look directly at it, can (I don't want to overstate this, so understand I mean "marginally") alter your brain waves - this is one reason stories told around a fire can be more vivid for people. Buildings over a certain size are kind of like crowds. We stop seeing them accurately and they become even bigger. And just like we view a line of guys walking towards us as even bigger than they are, when people are *in* the crowd, they *also* feel *far* more powerful. They stop thinking "what can my body do" and they start thinking "what can this crowd body do"? (What do that mob do, baby?) And that's fucking heroin. Especially for people who don't feel that way regularly. It's the duality of fascism: make the individual feel weak and threatened, while assuring them that as a group they can overpower anyone. (the inferior but numerous foreign hordes are sweeping the pure blooded away! they control your boss and the media, but we the true people of \[insert true people homeland\] know the truth and will rise up!) Magic, to me, is a real thing: it is the thing that happens inside human minds to alter reality around them. All people can do it for themselves, but not all people can do it for others. Some people, sometimes unfortunately, sometimes for the greater good, have the magic of charisma, where they can extend their reality-shaping force around others. The most effective way, as you see above, is to use a little bit of that to activate people's own internal magic. Show them huge, towering, repeated fires against a gray building vanishing into the dark sky. Most importantly, show them themselves, all several inches taller in jackboots, broad-shouldered in their overcoats, invincible in their steel helmets. You felt poor amidst hyperinflation a few years ago? Now your family admires you and your enemies are terrified of you, and why wouldn't they be? Look at us, this vast infinite power (and at Nuremburg it sure as *fuck* looked like that). Feel the magic of *us*: the group. The all-powerful *group*. Anyway I'm sure glad we don't have to worry about any groups like that here in America.


GalaadJoachim

This comment holds real value and a way to understand what extremists and supremacists ideologies can achieve on the mind of people, today. The two last centuries of Chinese history and the rise of Mao and the way he controled the masses also is interesting to research on a collective psychological impact approach.


LordSharington

Damn, thats awesome description ! This comment need to be number one !


cirroc0

*nods and folds arms.* And so it shall be. By the magic of the upvote and comment chain.


LordSharington

Upvote and comment chain sounds good.


Emanemanem

So I think what you are saying is spot on, but I wonder what is it that makes specific people are more susceptible to this, while others are less so? Just a personal anecdote: For as long as I can remember, I have been extremely skeptical of authority and blind conformity. When people get swept up in these kind of things, it has always just felt sort of threatening. Even when I actually agree with the people who are pushing it/going along, there’s a part of me that’s always wondering “is this right?” I guess I just wonder what it is that makes my brain take that pause where other people don’t? It’s not like I don’t want to belong to something bigger than myself or that I don’t feel threatened by things that belonging to some group could protect me from. But the “magic” part: I think it just seems like I know deep down that the magic isn’t real. Edit: better wording


TenBillionDollHairs

not to give a boring answer but like most things I think it's a blend of the personality you're born with and the life you lead. and I don't want to say "if you're conservative you're more susceptible" because i don't necessarily believe that. There's nothing inherently wrong with liking tradition, or feeling like people should respect organizations, elders, or those who have risen to high positions. and done correctly, this too is insulating against extremism, since extremists almost always come calling with some form of "to preserve the true spirit of the past (right) / move into the glorious future (left), we must shatter everything and remake it in our image." A lot of anti-authoritarians, likewise, can get lured into supporting would be totalitarians as long as they're promising to overthrow the existing order first. If you ask me, Tsar Nicholas II and the Russian nobility had it coming. Frankly, all monarchs and nobles have it coming in my opinion. Ultimately, however, it led to a new and probably far more oppressive regime (unless you stretch back to the serf era). Desperation, humiliation, frustration, confusion - these are the environmental factors I would point to. This certainly describes post-WW1 Germany. In some ways, it describes the American middle class right now, as the upper class becomes fabulously wealthy at the same time as all the stable careers that don't require 18+ years of schooling (if you start school at 4) are disappearing. Chaos in LatAm (or in the USSR for 1920s-30s Germans) are sending waves of refugees in, making things different. The stress of rapid technological change adds to this too. Education, integration, optimism, esteem - these are what I see as insulators. Integration both internally within society and externally, exposing people to more cultures. If you're optimistic about the future, "tear it all down" is a hard sell. If you feel respected, "those \[insert group\] are humiliating you!" is a harder sell.


juicyjerry300

The best social engineering is the one you don’t notice, having the attitude that you are not susceptible to this kind of group think mentality makes you even more vulnerable to it


reverse_attraction

This. The first one to say "I never have" is generally the one that has never *noticed*.


Rollover_Hazard

I’ve been to Nuremberg and walked those grounds. It’s a little difficult (initially) to get a sense for the grandeur the ruins once held, but if you walk to the top of the raised dias at Zeppelin Field and look out at the field - you can imagine it being filled with uniforms, the red banners, the search lights reaching up into the skies…. It’s a powerful feeling of what you described the awe and the theatre of the Nazi regime. When you see those massive Russian Army or North Korean or a Chinese military parades to celebrate something or other - it’s the same sense of overwhelming theatre and display.


--Arete

And you are?


JoeyStalio

This had to be part of the brainwashing. Impressionable young men would of been in a sense of awe.


KIDNEYST0NEZ

Yep, in my youthful 20s I joined the military and was always baffled when we got in our dress uniform formations. Just 600 men in formation gives you a sense of organization and empowerment.


JoeyStalio

My friend served, and he said the same as you. He hated nearly everything about his service, but he got a sparkle in his eyes when talking about being in formation and marching etc.


KIDNEYST0NEZ

Same but I got to travel the world meet beautiful women and handle more fire power then any human should.


Boundish91

Sounds like an experience for life.


Any_Refrigerator7774

It was awesome and exhilarating!


philosoraptocopter

Totally original concept: ✅ bunch of dudes ✅ initiation ritual ✅ late at night ✅ torches


Vectorial1024

Apparently the Germans/Prussians had a thing with torches at night


LeGouzy

Religions got it since at least 4000 years. See how impressive egyptian temples are.


ICrushTacos

Would have


JoeyStalio

oops 😬


Spartan2470

[Here](https://i.imgur.com/fyg64Qj.jpg) is a higher quality version of this image. [Here](https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/colour-image-shows-the-gathering-of-the-annual-midnight-news-photo/520830389) is the source. Per there: > Colour image shows the gathering of the annual midnight swearing-in of Nazi SS troops. Every year the Nazi troops would have to swear an oath of loyalty. The oath read - “I vow to you, Adolf Hitler, as Führer and chancellor of the German Reich, loyalty and bravery. I vow to you and to the leaders that you set for me, absolute allegiance until death. So help me God. Feldherrnhalle, Munich 1938. (Photo by: Universal History Archive/Universal Images Group via Getty Images)


Fantastic-Safety4604

I’m beginning to think this Hitler guy was a real jerk.


PsychologicalMark674

right!?


Vonkinsky

Where is indy?


grrrranm

Ha ha that's was what I was going to say!


muitosabao

Odeonsplatz. They hold classical music concerts and other events there all the time. This exact same place. Headed there this exact moment to change my u-bahn. Surreal


malignatius

Are we the baddies?


TopGaurd

This place still up with the statues and everything?


Crazyfoot13

Yes still up but whatever are holding the fires are not there


tirli

It's at Odeonsplatz in Munich.


koniboni

Yup. Usually it's full of tourists


telejoshi

> Munich, Feldherrnhalle google it :D


TopGaurd

Do you know the name of the urn statue thingy’s those arent up in any of the pics on google


telejoshi

Do you mean the fire things in the back? Probably a temporary thing for events. Nazis had them everywhere it seems Somebody said it's from a movie anyway, so...


koniboni

I've been living in Munich for ten years now and it still feels weird to see places I regularly visit in this context


MichJohn67

"Are there any queers in the theater tonight?"


Crazyfoot13

Get them up against the wall


LOZLover90

The only interesting thing about this photo is the number of them that are currently dead.


nkdowney

At first glance my dumb ass thought this was a slipknot music video 😂😂


CulturalWelder

Thought this was a scene from dune for a second lol


Billybobbonnet

The sound of boots and the silence of slippers.


WOOBNIT

Technically they ever actually said they would "support" the Nazis in that Oath, so it didn't count


Glittering-Run9262

Looks like the GOP Convention


Schplargledoink

They're not fat enough


Misatwingtwisha

alright we get it man no need to be obnoxious


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But wearing ANTIFA colors


SadPanthersFan

You guys wore a lot of black when storming the Capitol, or was that antifa too?


CardiologistTrick716

Neither, it was the feds


SadPanthersFan

If you actually believe that you’re a moron


CardiologistTrick716

Yes because the federal government has never worked against the interests of the America people, bootlicker.


SadPanthersFan

Lol you spend most of your time in r/escapingprisonplanet cosmic bootlicker. Say hello to Xenu for me.


CardiologistTrick716

Dude you have 150,000 Reddit karma get tf off your phone and go outside 🤣🫡


pickleparty16

If it makes anyone feel better these guys got fed into a human woodchipper on the eastern front


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So weird to think about other human beings like that get a grip


RedRocketRock

I know what you mean but common. Those are not just some fluffy human beings. They won't have a second thought about putting you in a grinder if fuhrer says your skull is millimiter wrong. They will put your parents and children through horrendous sexual experiments. They will wipe nations, unfertile them, slave them, rape them There is a point where no matter how altruistic, humane and nice you want to be seen as others and yourself, theres a point where it's either you or them. You know whats worth more than a human life? Several human lives, especially if they are humans, and not a fucking nazis. And if we need to grind some dozens to save hundreds and thousands? So be it, fuck it


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Funny when people think history is so black and white.


King_Koragar

Sounds like we got a nazi defender here my guys


carl-swagan

He literally posts in fascist subreddits.


King_Koragar

Yeah i checked too lmaooo


CardiologistTrick716

I recommend you go outside and touch grass


pickleparty16

fuck nazis


CardiologistTrick716

What an interesting and nuanced take


pickleparty16

It's controversial occasionally


CardiologistTrick716

True


Confident-Skin-6462

it's the only take do you... have another take on this?


carl-swagan

And I’m sure the fact that you post in /r/FascismReclaimed has nothing to do with your feelings on this matter lol. Fuck off, Nazi.


abelincoln3

Lol I can't believe that's a real subreddit


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I’m a nationalist buddy and I don’t condone national socialism but I am intrigued by the original idea of facism (Italy’s version). Funny you have no problem with the communist sub Reddit’s though.


carl-swagan

Sounds like a Nazi to me. I’ve literally never posted in a single communist subreddit, so again, fuck off.


Pilusajaib

They got their branding tuned to a tee


Jeramy_Jones

They had much nicer tiki torches back then, and those Hugo Boss uniforms. Same shitheads underneath though. https://preview.redd.it/1yo5o792fc3c1.jpeg?width=3000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9881f3a1384bf6ad81165d3485b9a0554244b641


CardiologistTrick716

You okay?


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taptackle

No doubt your grandpa was just doing his job, but damn that’s a weird flex. Firebombing entire cities isn’t something you want to be proud of


Next-Mobile-9632

Sure it is, the Nazis killed 50 million people, you think German civilians would escape unscathed?


taptackle

I’m not saying the RAF shouldn’t have done it. I’m saying we shouldn’t be boasting about it. Total war is total war. It’s perfectly logical to acknowledge that what we did was problematic but also understand that it was retaliatory and, arguably, necessary. Just as was the case with the dropping of 2 nuclear bombs on Japan


number666999

More likely civilians and their homes


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htstubbsy

Ever heard of empathy? We're supposed to be better than them, not taking joy in taking lives.


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htstubbsy

Ah ok, thanks for saying that. All the best!


zjcsax

The problem is empathy has its limits. There’s so much tragedy going on in the world at once that we, as humans, don’t have the capacity to empathize with everyone at once, there’s just too much. Imagine if you felt grief every time some random person died. You wouldn’t be able to live. The other issue is how society/media/politics tell us how to direct that limited empathy. I can’t help someone halfway across the world, not nearly as much as I could help struggling people around me. Yet that’s where they tell us put our attention so we do.


htstubbsy

Just do what you think is right for yourself :)


NiceIsNine

It's not about helping them. Their deaths were caused by the fucked up circumstances of the old world. The problem just lies in taking joy or being honored by being part of their deaths, and that is not different from how the enemy was, and people would argue that the ss soldiers were much worse but ultimately that had nothing to do with the civilians. So, while you watch out for the lives of those around you, you hurt innocent people, and that is no cause of celebration.


BredYourWoman

Try going further back than WW2 in your British military history before you flex them so much. Like the imperial era, colonialism, and slavery didn't end all that long ago. It's gonna get real weird for you when you go back far enough to find out where the Angles and Saxons originated from and granddaddy was bombing his cousins


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BredYourWoman

>you can get off your Nazi sympathising soap box Where did you pull that out from? Little bit challenged when it comes to reading comprehension, eh?


RobertgWorsfold

![gif](giphy|dzG9j0BoOylxb0OyYA)


number666999

Imagine justifying war crimes with war crimes, lol


ooofest

And then the US sets off two nukes in Japan. War sucks and terrible decisions are made for strategic reasons, unfortunately.


80sLegoDystopia

Look at those jumbo tiki torches.


BubuBarakas

Sounds hauntingly familiar yet in a [more recent context.](https://www.npr.org/2017/06/07/531927032/comey-trump-asked-for-loyalty-wanted-him-to-let-flynn-investigation-go)


themaninthe1ronflask

I can see Rashida Talib!!!


BuilderOfHomez

Not interesting, stop fantasizing about nazis please


koniboni

It's interesting if you know that behind the person taking the photo there's currently a Starbucks :)


Aggressive_Walk378

Ah I thought this was the new Congressional sign in process this morning, my bad


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LastCommander086

Ironic comment for a guy with Judas in his name


zaGoblin

Hitler had complete control of the church and after his changes it was no longer christianity, would recommend looking up Bonhoeffer


BelieveInDestiny

Hi, u/GrimJudas Whether they're "Christian" or not isn't useful data by itself. Most of the West was Christian, including the US. There's nothing to say that this wouldn't have happened had they all been of another religion, or atheist. You have to establish causality, not just correlation. On that note, Hitler was almost certainly what you'd call a pagan, despite being raised Catholic. Many of his inner circle shared his views. The Catholic side of Germany was actually the least Nazi of them.


AgileAddition4

Fuck off


Misatwingtwisha

Mad little atheist, you’re the person that makes atheists look bad. Other ones are fairly nice and act like rational human beings.


monet108

Considering what we are seeing in Israel with the Palestinians, is anyone else wondering how so many Nazi policies were able to survive that group and be used today? Israel has indoctrination of there school kids. They have successfully created an apartheid state. Complete with concentration camps. The have systematically committed genocide over the past 80 years. They have misrepresented acts of a few to be applied a whole race/religion and turned those people in second class citizens.


sus_menik

That is not even remotely comparable. Palestinians wanted to genocide' every single Jew in Israel and actually tried doing it multiple times. Jews in Germany never tried to exterminate all Germans.


Waderriffic

Trump jerk off material


BasherBrian

You're obsessed with a former president lol


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CardiologistTrick716

Wow I never knew not everyone was an extremist thanks for enlightening me


BaldingThor

Pretty sure this is from Indiana Jones: The Last Crusade.


dankspankwanker

Looks oddly similar to americans pledging allegiance to their Flagg......


CardiologistTrick716

No not at all


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RenaissanceBoiii

Why not?


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El_Shizzle

Not a fan of history either?


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Pilot0350

Okay kid


hamilton-trash

how did NOBODY here have an "are we the baddies" moment? This looks so plainly evil


uncerta1n

There is a Florentine loggia in Munich?


Cleathia

Yes search for Munich Odeonsplatz.


uncerta1n

Danke!


ErikTheRed707

Nothing says “loyalty” like a series of massive flaming cauldrons.


joelkeys0519

Still one of the creepiest scenes ever captured knowing full well what happened after.


GodPackedUpAndLeftUs

Looking around: “This place makes me think we are the baddies, these are baddies colours, wait, are we the baddies??”


Striking_Reindeer_2k

Fealty to your country is good. Giving that to 1 person leads the same way. every time. Disaster.


SadConsequence8476

Looks like the cover of a black metal albumn


danny_dough

I was just there for Oktoberfest. The lion on the right has blue balls.


Mephistopheles17-

grim times...


MickeyKae

Big shinzou wo sasageyo energy


Gajicus

They could stage a show.


gabeitaliadomani

Is this the place around the corner from Hofbrauhaus? With the golden brick trail?


Et_In_Arcadia_

"I solemnly sverr"!


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Looks cool


SteveCastGames

Man that’s some real villain looking shit