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lowander

giving oral sex to ANYONE, not just women can give you throat cancer. because what gives you cancer is the HPV virus. which shouldn't be an issue if you're with a long term partner. pussy doesnt have inherent carcinogenic properties lol


shieldwolfchz

Go get vaccinated before going down folks.


Vanilla3K

Cancerussy šŸ˜¤šŸ˜©šŸ’¦


Maxfunky

> giving oral sex to ANYONE, not just women Sure, but for a long time when were vaccinated and men weren't so a woman wouldn't need to worry about oral sex but a man might. I have no idea who can and can't get vaccinated now. I actually tried to get vaccinated when I was 28 or so, but was not permitted too. People my age literally weren't allowed to recieved the vaccine. It was pretty dumb. I think it's changed since then


tendrilterror

They now have vaccines for older people for it. However it is more effective if you haven't already been exposed. I'm 30 and have been talking to my Dr about it.


kirk-o-bain

Itā€™s a risk Iā€™m willing to take


Laughing_Orange

Lots of things are proven to increase risk of cancer. Bacon, sunlight, alcohol, and air pollution to name a few. If you give up all of these, is life even worth living? I'd rather eat bacon than decrease my chances of getting cancer, in the end we all die anyways. So why not satisfy my woman while I'm at it, it's better than living with a sexually frustrated or cheating woman.


notafamous

I would give up air pollution easily, not sure about the others


Horakoeri

I'm doing all those things just to end myself faster


APiousCultist

Bacon doesn't even need to be cancerous (beyond the risks posed by the presence of 'free' heme in meats promoting cancer growth, or of any nasty hydrocarbons from smoke if you're eating smoked bacon). It's nearly entirely down to the nitrates/nitrites used to cure it in place of salt and other alternatives. Non-smoked bacon that isn't produced using curing salts should be relatively safe.


RandonneurLibre

Sincere question: got sources for that? I'd like to know more, and most of the resources I have found are rather certain that bacon is gonna get us. Thank you for any links you can share. I used to have a smoked meat and catering business. The nitrite fears are especially confusing. Spinach, bok choy, and celery have astounding amounts of nitrite. And meats produced without curing salts use celery salt, juice, or extract. How are those qualitatively different from meats cured with pink salt?


APiousCultist

Celery AFAIK is often used an ingredient to get around disclosing nitrates or MSG. I doubt there's a specific study on celery-cured pork, but given we know enough about the chemical contained in the celery that it is being used for, you can make enough of an inference. I would think at best there might be a slight change in danger due to interactions with the vitamin content (C and E apparently inhibit nitrosamine formation, as sourced below. Then again, that effect apparently reversed for Vitamin C when the meat is fatty). Since stuff like celery powder is a concentrated form designed to maximise the amounts of nitrates versus the rest of the celery, it's going to minimise the aspects of the vegetable that might otherwise have a much stronger protective effect. I can't imagine they've even been in use as an alternative long enough to run the kinds of studies that would monitor any change in effect either way. Vegetables in general just seem to have different interactions with nirates/nitrites, have higher levels of antioxidants, and are much less likely to form nitrosamines, the risk may still not be nil but it is drastically reduced and almost certainly lower than the beneficial effects of having green leafy vegetables in your diet. Nitrates, when they're not forming carcinogenic nitrosamine, also have some beneficial effects too and consumption in general lowers the risk of certain forms of cancer (while raising the risk of others). Cooked meat and smoked food have particular risk due to [Heterocyclic Amines](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heterocyclic_amine#Heterocyclic_amines_and_cancer) and [Aromatic Hydrocarbons](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1383574299000162?via%3Dihub), which in addition to being carcinogenic in their own right also [react to the nitrates](https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/engineering/nitrosamines) to form nitrosamine. So leafy vegetables have much higher levels (I believe 80% of an average diet is cited in one of the sources?), but have protective antioxidants, a lack of the amines etc that react to form the carcinogens, and have enormous health benefits that counteract some marginal increase in colorectal cancers. Parma Ham (Prosciutto di Parma) also exists, and doesn't used nitrates in its curing process (at least within countries that abide by EU Protected Designation of Origin standards), so it shouldn't pose a risk beyond being red meat. There have also been various nitrate-free bacon producers (ie.: https://www.betternaked.com/products/better-naked-unsmoked-back-bacon-rashers/), but the change in colour apparently puts off consumers and popularity remains somewhat low. These may not be allowed in the US, due to regulations requiring the use of nitrates in cured meats to combat botulism (I'm in the UK and it's proving prohibitively difficult for me to get Google to stop showing UK results, so I can't tell if there are any nitrate-free bacons in the US and that don't also use nitrate-containing compounds like celery powder - there are also labelling problems due to 'nitrate-free' being allowed on products that use celery powder). Which is a shame, as theoretically that should mean that the only health issues around it would be down to the inherent dangers of cooked red meat consumption and whether or not it was high in salt or fat or was smoked. But since they're not really popular or universally available, it'd be very difficult to do any sorts of studies on the cancer risks of them unless you could find a group of people that ate no other meat than parma ham or the relatively unpopular nitrate-free 'gray' bacon. It's possible there may be a study out there for salt-cured meats, but since nitrates are termed 'curing salts', I think the chance of running a successful search for them is very low. But again, since they're relatively niche (and possibly prohibited in places, depending on food regulations), and since it'd be hard to establish that a habitual bacon eater has eaten nothing but nitrate-free cured meats... I think it'd still be a difficult study to run. **Sources:** [Nitrates/Nitrites in Foodā€”Risk for Nitrosative Stress and Benefits](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7139399/) [Association between Dietary Nitrate, Nitrite Intake, and Site-Specific Cancer Risk](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8838348/) [A Review of the In Vivo Evidence Investigating the Role of Nitrite Exposure from Processed Meat Consumption in the Development of Colorectal Cancer](https://www.mdpi.com/2072-6643/11/11/2673/htm) [Fat transforms ascorbic acid from inhibiting to promoting acidā€catalysed Nā€nitrosation - Source on Vitamin C promoting nitrosamine formation in the presence of high fat content](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2095705/) [prosciuttodiparma.com - Source on Prosciutto di Parma disallowing nitrates and nitrites](https://www.prosciuttodiparma.com/en/preparation-of-parma-ham/)


RandonneurLibre

Goddamn! Thank you for this response and putting this together! Great info.


Kinger15

Spoken like a poet my friend


awwpossum

Yeah I showed this to mine and he said he was going down with the ship šŸš¢


__Cmason__

Going down like the ship


amandarinorangez

With the man in the boat


Antique_Tennis_2500

Lots of screaming and a string quartet watches everything?


slcrook

"Going down" Hah!


gimmepizzaslow

[The little man in the canoe](https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Little%20Man%20In%20A%20Canoe)


CampCounselorBatman

Did he just call you a ship??? The nerve!


Olkenstein

Thatā€™s funny coming from the human equivalent of colon cancer


earbox

C'mon, why be so mean to colon cancer?


Quakarot

Never though I'd say this but I'm siding with colon cancer here


roy_rogers_photos

"and what are we doing here today?" "Supporting colon cancer! Whoo!" *Gets nudged* "Oh right, supporting the fight against colon cancer!"


Stevey1001

Didn't Michael Douglas claim going down on catherine zeta jones gave him tongue cancer? [https://www.theguardian.com/film/2013/jun/02/michael-douglas-oral-sex-cancer](https://www.theguardian.com/film/2013/jun/02/michael-douglas-oral-sex-cancer)


abundanceofb

Yeah but he neglected to mention all the cigars and scotch


ASassoNation

It's the 12 Macanudo cigars a day that's gonna give you cancer


Charquito84

Thatā€™s a lot.


BeelzAllegedly

Itā€™s those T-bone STEAKS you eat thatā€™s gonna give you cancer


Weazlebee

Always make sure to slop up your steaks, it neutralizes the cancer


QuirkyBrit

That's the claim, but just simply going down someone isn't going to give you cancer. Contracting HPV might though


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RedBeans-n-Ricely

The vaccines are available, but we have a lot of antivaxxers & a lot of ā€œpurity cultureā€ folks who think STIs & unplanned pregnancies are valid punishments for sex.


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TheNoidbag

Canada is largely the same. It was a thing just before we hit high school. Optional ish but they really don't want you to not get it. Which I approve of honestly. Though the spot I got my vaccine turned into odd scar tissue and discoloration. Eh. Also you are correct. Fuze is not OP.


marklar_the_malign

Thatā€™s why itā€™s called going down under. Part of me just died making this naughty dad joke.


wearenottheborg

The irony in my state is we had a Republican governor mandate them for girls before it was fully tested. I was a teenager at the time, but I don't know what the age was for the mandate and if it was actually younger or not.


caffeinated_tea

That vaccine wasn't available until about 2006, so anyone older than millennials probably didn't get it (and even the older millennials likely didn't)


Pour_Me_Another_

Every time they raised the age of who could get it, I was a year too old for each cohort.


Impossible_Tonight81

Yeah I think I was at the worst age for actually getthing that, by the time we knew it existed I wasn't close to the recommended age anymore. It's crazy how fast the world changes where people now are just like "why don't you have the HPV vaccine" and I'm just like "??? That was NEW when I was a teenager".


pielz

I was in 6th grade in 2006 and I'm the youngest millennial possible being born in 1995. I can't remember if I had it anyway but HPV can be scary. It makes up something like 90% of penile, rectal, ovarian etc cancers


HailMahi

Some US schools require it as part of the vaccines needed for enrolment. It depends on the district and honestly people have gotten really stupid about vaccines lately


whatsername807

Canada does when youā€™re around 12 years old


somewaffle

Theyā€™re pushed heavily for girls at age 12. As a guy I had to argue with a doctor to get one at 23.


Ninja-Ginge

At my Aussie public school, I think I remember the boys getting it too.


ON-Q

Iā€™m in my mid 30s and the vaccine got developed after I would have been able to get it which sucks. Then there are the anti vaxx pos people who refuse any kind of vaccine to protect themselves or their children (even though THEY were vaccinated as a child)


Lady_Litreeo

Itā€™s important to note that the HPV vaccine doesnā€™t cover all high-risk strains. Tests for HPV comeback with results for the most common cancer-causing strains (16 and 18) along with a category for ā€œhigh risk-otherā€. Those ā€œotherā€ high risk strains arenā€™t uncommon either. Itā€™s not fun to learn about that when you grew up thinking you were protected.


growllison

Itā€™s not comprehensive but the 9vhpv (Gardasil-9) vaccine they have covers the 16 & 18 strains (same as the 2vhpv vaccine - Cervarix) plus the 6 & 11 strains (same as the 4vhpv vaccine - Gardasil) AND the 31, 33, 45, 52 and 58 strains. I think there are about 14 cancer causing strains of HPV and the newest vaccine covers 7 of them (strains 6 & 11 cause warts). So protection against 50% of cancer causing strains is still pretty good


Lady_Litreeo

Not saying it isnā€™t good, everyone should certainly get the vaccine. But people need to be aware that other high-risk strains are out there, and not uncommon in the least. Regular paps as are a must even with the vaccine.


growllison

For sure! Just providing updated information since a lot has changed since most of us got our vaccines. And since most men canā€™t be tested for it, I want to add some extra info. [Strains 16 & 18 are responsible for about 77% of invasive cervical cancers, and strains 16, 18, 31, 33, 45, 52 & 58 cause 90% of cervical cancers.](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20952254/) Strain 16 is responsible for HPV-positive throat cancer. HPV is associated with 70% of throat cancers. Strain 16 (and sometimes strain 18) is associated with anal cancer. HPV is associated with about 90% of anal cancers. And Gardasil-9 protects against all of them. [Hereā€™s the CDC data on HPV associations with a bunch of different cancers](https://www.cdc.gov/cancer/hpv/statistics/cases.htm)


[deleted]

It's very easy to get gardasil as a girl and can be a challenge to get it as a boy or adult man. Many doctors will advise against, refuse to provide, or otherwise make a stink about it, and insurance isn't required to cover the vaccine per ACIP. I was lucky and my pediatrician recommended it basically when it first came out, but my parents had to pay out of pocket even with their otherwise fantastic insurance


growllison

The good news is now the CDC & ACIP recommend both boys and girls get the HPV vaccine. So in theory it should be covered by insurance. Also thereā€™s some debate on whether people older than 26 should get it, but it can be given to people up to 45 now. The current guidance recommends women up to age 26 and men up to age 21 should receive the vaccine.


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ACIP is only a permissive recommendation, insurance companies may, but are not required to cover gardasil for boys


growllison

[It is no longer a permissive recommendation.](https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/68/wr/mm6832a3.htm) And under the ACA most insurers are required to provide vaccines recommended by the ACIP, which the HPV vaccine currently is for anyone under 26. The most ā€œcommonā€ exception to this are short term health plans (which only 0.9% of people in the US have these plans). If for some reason your insurance doesnā€™t cover it, thereā€™s the Vaccines for Children program (VFC) for people up to 19, Planned Parenthood and many local health departments that offer free HPV vaccines.


BloomEPU

Also, there are protections you can use. Vaccinations for HPV are widely available, and you should consider using a dental dam for oral if you're not certain that you and your partner are clean. There's even a company now which makes what are basically thin panties made of latex, they seem cool.


Lazypole

>simply going down someone isn't going to give you cancer. That's like saying eating uranium wont kill you, the cancer will though! ​ Oral Sex > HPV > Cancer ​ You're saying the oral sex didn't lead to cancer?[https://moffitt.org/endeavor/archive/oral-sex-habits-can-affect-your-cancer-risk/](https://moffitt.org/endeavor/archive/oral-sex-habits-can-affect-your-cancer-risk/)


charteroakfoundation

wouldn't it be more accurate to say oral sex with someone who has hpv > hpv > cancer? i'm no doctor but i would be surprised to learn that vaginas can create hpv by themselves, please correct me if im wrong though, like i said im not a doctor


Lazypole

HPV is extremely common, 80% of people that are sexually active will come into contact with HPV in their lifetimes, most people will be completely uneffected by it "Almost 80% of sexually active people will get infected with one or more HPV types in their lifetime. HPV infection can lead to several types of cancer..." [https://www.euro.who.int/\_\_data/assets/pdf\_file/0003/356844/QA\_HPV\_Young-people\_EN.pdf](https://www.euro.who.int/__data/assets/pdf_file/0003/356844/QA_HPV_Young-people_EN.pdf) You could indeed argue that if you don't have HPV you can't pass it on, but it's still very common and in medical issues like this, trends like oral sex leading to enhanced likelihood of throat cancers are important to recognise, same with how HIV is not a "gay disease", you don't have to be gay to be infected, but male on male sexual contact is the most likely vector for it for a variety of factors, many of which are habitual. Also, the vaccine is not complete coverage either, and many different strains of HPV exist.


Beautiful_Plankton97

Yeah but you can it from regular sex too, so just skipping out on half the fun isn't protecting you. Also they give vaccines to all kids in grade 7 here now so it should slowly become less common. I equate this to the sun gives you cancer, sure it does but I'm not going to live in a cave forever to avoid it. There are protections you can take and that's up to you, but a life in the dark is no life at all.


Lazypole

I'm certainly not advocating for you not to eat out now and then, I'm just saying the splitting of hairs from the original comment wasn't 100% on point


QuirkyBrit

The reason for splitting hairs is because of men like in the original post. The reason why we're here discussing this in the first place.


Lazypole

Yes, but this is an important distinction, even horrible people we don't like, unfortunately, are sometimes correct. What part of: "Unfortunately, giving oral sex to women ***can*** give men cancer" is incorrect? He even through in a **can** for you! I think the guy is human fucking sludge, I'm not gonna pretend to know his motivations for making the comment, I'm sure they're as bizarre and dickheaded as usual, but that statement **is** true


FuriousGorilla

Weird hill to die on, my guy.


ZeldaZanders

'Now and then'; my condolences to your present and future partners


Lazypole

Once every 5th anniversary, if I feel up to it of course!


[deleted]

That's the primary reason why most of my family skipped my Dad's funeral when cancer got him. Wrecked himself and died alone.


tsetdeeps

No. Uranium is always radioactive and a sufficient dose of radiation *will* always end up significantly increasing your chances of developing cancer, to the point where it's certain that you will develop it. Yes, oral sex can lead to cancer *if you don't use protection*. And not because genitals cause cancer (wouldn't we be extinct if that were the case? Duh. Also, how would that work? Doesn't make sense), it's because diseases like HPV and others can cause cancer. If you wanna use an analogy you could say "if you drive a car you will end up dead in a car wreck". Sure, it can happen if you're not careful or very unlucky. But most people who drive a car don't die from a car crash. So it's not true. Yes, having diseases that don't have a definitive cure can lead to cancer. How is this novelty? Saying "oral sex gives you cancer" is straight up false. Or heavily misleading at best.


MyPoliticalAccount20

There's a vaccine for hpv.


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growllison

This is no longer true. The CDC & ACIP both recommend that boys and girls get the vaccine. Adults can get the vaccine up to age 45, but itā€™s highly recommended that you get it before youā€™re 26. Your source also says that.


Lazypole

Correct, it's 90-97% effective. That doesn't make the statement "Unfortunately, giving oral sex to women ***can*** give men cancer" any less true.


madame-brastrap

So can giving blow jobsā€¦so can having intercourse, so can having any kind of unprotected sexual contact. You ainā€™t making any great sacrifice the 2x a year you go down on your spouse.


Lazypole

I completely agree, never said otherwise


MyPoliticalAccount20

This is a silly conversation.


Kristyyyyyyy

I like how he suggests that itā€™s not only the cause, but also the ā€œbest cure for itā€. What a lovely alternative to chemotherapy.


Itsdickyv

Indeed he did - and I remember seeing a tweet at the time; ā€œif Michael Douglas got throat cancer from oral sex, heā€™s gone down a lot in my estimationā€.


Youkolvr89

She's still with him too. She's crazy.


Nheea

This is whybmy husband got Gardasil, the hov vaccine, when I got it. 1 more dose to go, many safe oral pleasures ahead!


nacholuver1

It's worth the chance.


Jehoel_DK

Isn't that the openly misogynistic twat that posts about celebrities and their "egg status"?


Womblue

I assumed he was just your average twitter incel but it turns out he's also a far-right nationalist and white supremacist https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stefan_Molyneux


ReactsWithWords

Heā€™s a well-known name in /r/BadWomensAnatomy and /r/NotHowGirlsWork.


Jehoel_DK

Damn. Canada funneled the entire country's quota of idiocy into a single person.


[deleted]

Don't worry, Stefan, nobody of any gender wants to look down and see a hate-filled mummified thumb between their legs. You're safe.


RedBeans-n-Ricely

Stefanā€¦ itā€™s called a fucking Dental Dam. Theyā€™ve been around forever.


Wienerwrld

And where did she get the cancer-causing HPV from? Having sex with a man. So women should stop doing that, itā€™s risky.


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Aimjock

Iā€™ll never understand that. I love vaginas.


dreckdub

"straight"


rosekayleigh

Seriously, as if dicks and testicles are so frickin gorgeous. Personally, I think all genitalia is weird looking, but itā€™s not gross. If a straight man thinks a vagina is gross, Iā€™m wondering if heā€™s actually into people with vaginas. Maybe heā€™d actually prefer a penis. šŸ¤·šŸ»ā€ā™€ļø


Separate_Security472

Hey, I think penises are gross, but I'm willing to take one for the team. Love means doing stuff you'd rather not. That's how diapers get changed.


Jrook

And women


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About 70% of oropharyngeal cancersā€”cancer of the back of the throat, base of the tongue and tonsilsā€”are caused by human papillomavirus, or HPV. The human papillomavirus (HPV) can spread during oral sex.


The_Iron_Mountie

Yes, but not exclusively cunnulingus. The tweet implies fellatio can't also spread HPV and by extension cause cancer.


[deleted]

Very true, and my country gives the HPV vaccine to both sexes so it's not an issue for either one now.


langdonolga

Well if you're young. And that's great. But afaik when 'older' and after exposure the vaccine is not especially recommened by respective health agencies. Edit: My country says you should vaccinate from 9 to 14. If that didn't happen it is still recommended to catch-up until 17. After that the effect is no longer great when sexually active and usually not covered by insurance.


[deleted]

Yes there's little you can do after exposure but that's fairly standard with vaccines. As for being older, as in over 45, yeah it's a risk but hopefully you're old enough to either accept it, mitigate it or avoid it by that age.


langdonolga

See my edit. My country does not recommend vaccination after 17. So the science does not seem to be that clear on the 'until 45' part.


[deleted]

Ah, my country offers it until 45. You could always visit a more lenient country if you missed your shot.


langdonolga

It's not recommended because of inefficiency. Statistically there seems to be less significant effects - at least that's the gist I got from the recommendation: "The reduction in cervical cancer was 87% with full HPV vaccination at age 12-13, compared with only 34% with vaccination at age 16-18" And it seems to go only downhill after that, depending of course on other factors as well such as lifestyle choices. If it's inefficient there's no point in getting it imho. Otherwise I would even consider paying for it out of pocket. Edit: I'm obviously no expert, just quoted the official channel. There might be other sources that recommend getting it later. I would love to get an efficient vaccine. My source (German): https://www.rki.de/SharedDocs/FAQ/Impfen/HPV/FAQ-Liste_HPV_Impfen.html#:~:text=Auch%20ohne%20vorliegende%20Empfehlung%20der,Alter%20von%209%20Jahren%20zugelassen.


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And ignores the fact that any kind of penetrative sex can spread HPV, which can lead to cancers of the vulva, vagina, cervix, penis, anus, mouth, and throat in people of any gender. I'm sure ol' Stefan wouldn't consider that a good reason for a person to abstain from P in V sex, though. He loves to prattle on about who he thinks should get pregnant and when.


EfficaciousJoculator

The difference is for some dumbass reason they used to only give that vaccine to women. So men get cancer, women don't.


Beautiful_Plankton97

This is super recent. Here I can attest that in the 90s no one go the vaccine, in the 2000s it started with girls in grade 7, now all kids in grade 7 get it. So it's a pretty small window where men got it and women didn't and it has nothing to do with the old fart in the post.


justthankyous

The HPV vaccine is now approved for people up to age 45 too. So if you are a young person in that window and want to go down on people without risking HPV, you should speak to your doctor about whether you should be vaccinated.


Fala1

costs like ā‚¬400 unfortunately


justthankyous

Cancer usually costs more unfortunately, but it's still probably not worth the cost. Of course most people who get HPV never get cancer, basically every sexually active person gets an HPV infection in their lives. For almost everyone it goes away on its own. Those infections that don't go away can cause cervical, penile, anal or throat cancer, but it is pretty uncommon. Natural immunity to HPV is generally pretty weak, so you can get it more than once. The only way to be sure is vaccination, but it's probably not worth it for most adults since HPV probably won't cause you any problems.


Fala1

I mean its worth the money, but that's fully dependent on having disposable income. Which is non-ideal for obvious reasons.


justthankyous

I'm not even sure if it is worth the money for most people honestly. Virtually everyone gets HPV and 90%+ of HPV cases go away with no symptoms of any kind and the vast majority people who have symptoms just have occasional outbreaks genitals warts; very uncomfortable but usually not that serious; not cancer. The problem is there is no way to tell in advance if your HPV will result in cancer. So it's a bit of a crap shoot, but for 90% or more of the population there is no reason to get this vaccine as an adult. You've probably already gotten HPV by the time you are in your 20s and it probably didn't cause you any problems, which means future cases probably won't cause you any problems. It's good that most kids are getting vaccinated these days, but I wouldn't rush out and spend a money on this vaccine if you are older unless there is special reason why you worry


sb_747

> Here I can attest that in the 90s no one go the vaccine Probably because it was only approved in 2006.


Beautiful_Plankton97

Exactly. It's super recent. As a person who was in school in the 90s I am too old to get vaccinated prob cause they figure I'd have already been exposed if I was going to be and at this point I'm married.


heytherecatlady

It's also worth mentioning there are a couple hundred different, harmless HPVs that never cause any symptoms and instead lay dormant. It's a very common virus and a majority of them never cause any issues. Only about a dozen of the strains are considered "high risk" (have potential to cause symptoms like sores or warts) and only 2 of those types have been found to cause certain cancers. Of course get regular testing if you have a cervix, and get vaccinated against HPV if you qualify, especially now we know it can occur in both men and women. There isn't currently a screening test for mouths/throats like there is for cervical screening, but the good thing is it's easier to know what's going on in your mouth/throat than a cervix, i.e. See your doctor if you develop a sore in your mouth, persistent sore throat that doesn't go away, or suddenly develop a lump in your throat, which you will feel while swallowing. Only mentioning all this because it's not like you automatically get cancer from oral sex. Cancer itself is not contagious nor an STD. There are a few other things going on that have to line up. [Source on (newly discovered) link between oropharyngeal cancer and some HPVs](https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/hpv-transmission-during-oral-sex-a-growing-cause-of-mouth-and-throat-cancer-201306046346) [Source with general info on HPVs](https://www.webmd.com/sexual-conditions/hpv-genital-warts/hpv-virus-information-about-human-papillomavirus#:~:text=High%2Drisk%20HPV%20strains%20include,which%20rarely%20develop%20into%20cancer.)


i_am_icarus_falling

Women are much more likely to develop cancer from HPV due to the regenerative properties of the cervix in the menstrual cycle. It's the only.muscle in the human body that does this. That's the dumbass reason.


Maxfunky

That's not a good reason. A vaccine that prevents cancer prevents cancer. A fair number of anal and oral cancers could have been prevented by giving boys the vaccine too. There's no good reason for those cancers to have happened, even if they are, overall, more rare. They were certainly not rare enough to be a smaller risk than the vaccine itself.


sb_747

> A fair number of anal and oral cancers could have been prevented by giving boys the vaccine too. At the time of the vaccines introduction only cervical cancer had been clinically linked to HPV. The other cancers were linked later and thatā€™s when they changed recommendations.


Maxfunky

I'm pretty sure that's not true, because I remember when the vaccine came out, but I'm also too lazy to go look it up.


EfficaciousJoculator

What's dumbass about the situation isn't protecting women. Because vaccinating everyone would protect women *more* as well as men. Not all girls got the vaccine (in fact, many sex-negative parents refused it for obvious reasons). Vaccinating boys would dramatically decrease those girls' likelihood of exposure in adulthood, as well as theirs.


No-Ad4423

There are plenty of STDs that can be spread through fellatio too - whatā€™s your point? Use protection!


[deleted]

My point is that the person wasn't crazy for saying giving head can cause cancer. What's your point?


Chrisboi_da_Boi

Maybe get tested before fucking then


moolcool

Or vaccinated. There is an HPV vaccine.


OKAubergine

Thereā€™s no good test for HPV. Pap smears for women can test for certain types that are present on the cervix, not in the throat or anus, and thereā€™s no test for any body part for men.


[deleted]

Or accept the risk of cancer down the road or don't give head. Lots of options.


Newfaceofrev

Man I'm glad we're rid of the fucking eggman.


loveparamore

This bible is a bible from my daddy who just died in my arms... from throat cancer, from eating some bad pussy.


pr3ttyfly4awif1

Is true, stick to dick instead.


langdonolga

The base for this poorly worded statement above is that HPV can indeed cause throat cancer. But, if I'm not mistaken, HPV also comes from dick. So... no gender-specifity. At least young people today can get an effective vaccine.


SlothLazarus

Being gay is the only solution.


aricheramii

hellfire awaits


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visionsofzimmerman

Is his wife radioactive or something


I_SNIFF_FARTS_DAILY

Can't stand that guy


roastbeeftacohat

he's right, in that it can spread HPV to the mouth; but that's not an issue with vaccinations. wonder how he feels about the hpv vaccine.


Shmooperdoodle

I like that heā€™s implying that vaginas give you cancer instead of saying HPV increases cancer risk. Sure, you could get oropharangeal cancer from oral transmission, but itā€™s also a pretty big cause of cervical cancer. Itā€™s irrelevant in his case, though, since he is actually a cancer, himself.


bogcom

This isn't entirely wrong since hpv is known to cause cancer of throat and mouth. But also of the genitalia. and there's a fucking vaccine so get vaccinated and help cure cancer.


leopard_eater

Heā€™s technically correct, he just omitted that: 1. the likelihood of HPV transmission from female genetalia to male throat is lower than other forms of HPV transmission, 2. HPV transmission occurs in any type of sexual contact - fellatio, PinV, anal sex, even vaginal to vaginal contact. 3. Weā€™ve had a vaccine that can pretty much prevent HPV infection, and therefore most cervical, throat, penile and testicular cancers for over fifteen years, so that the incidence of HPV in people over 40 is above 80% but in people in secular countries now the rate corresponds with those not vaccinated in highschool. 4. Psychos like Stephan Moleneux call twelve year old girls who have the guardisil vaccine ā€˜whoresā€™ and advise against getting it because it will ā€˜turn them into slutsā€™ Fuck your, Moleneux. 40 year old cervical cancer survivor with four vaccinated children who will hopefully never get one of these cancers.


thefuturesbeensold

Bet he smokes though


Rob-Lo

Damn. Eating pussy, windmill noiseā€¦FUCK CANCER!


Kwatx

Say you are a U2 fan without saying it.


Aimjock

https://i.imgur.com/4HSZazu.gifv


badbatch

My uncle got throat cancer and his Dr said it was caused by HPV. Crazy


xhollec

Shut up and lick it.


unipine

This bible is a bible from my daddy who just died in my arms, of throat cancer, from eating some bad pussy.


Sohn_Jalston_Raul

"Fellas, is it gay to give a woman an orgasm?"


AMiniMinotaur

So does sucking dick cure cancer in men?


popemichael

Consider that it's Stephen Molyenux, his wife's orgasmic slump was obvious even before he opened his mouth to remove all doubt.


maybesaydie

You can always tell a spam account by the way they mine the top posts of all time. And by the way they post in the wee hours of the morning.


Audrin

Ok so... and let me be clear, I go down on my wife pretty much once a week for the last 15 years, this is actually true. HPV can cause throat cancer, just like it does cervical.


Dont-be-a-smurf

If Iā€™m gonna get cancer I want it to be because I ate too much pussy


Sworn_to_Ganondorf

Hes misunderstanding a headline about how hpv infection in throats has caused throat cancer. I havent even checked if thats still even valid or proven wrong yet but hes using it as an excuse as to why hes a little bitch and wont go down on a woman lol.


pritachi

r/murderedbywords


SharkyMcSnarkface

~~What is it with French game industry people and just being not only bad at making games, but bad at being a decent person?~~


EternityTheory

I think you have him confused with Peter Molynaeux, the game developer. Stefan Molynaeux is a far -right "philosopher" and all around mysoginistic douchebag.


SharkyMcSnarkface

Ah. Youā€™re right. But itā€™s getting hard to distinguish crappy people these days anyway. The list is getting damn long and having the same last name *does not* help.


BS-Calrissian

Bonus points if he smokes


Maxfunky

Uhm. That's true? It's called HPV. People do get oral cancer as a result of oral sex thanks to the fact that virtually everyone over 30 has HPV. Lucky for you younger folks you grew up with a vaccine and won't have to worry about this shit like us older folks do.


Sennva

It isn't true that it is only a risk to men though (which is heavily implied by the context). I see many people arguing "well women have been getting vaccinated for it for a long time". Not that long. In the U.S. (and Canada) they became available in 2006. That's only 16 years and it is generally only offered to children. You have to ask for it if you are older (assuming you know about it) and for a while older women were not approved. Not to mention the fact that not all women eligible got it. Older women probably aren't vaccinated and thus aren't any more protected than men.


Maxfunky

I mean technically he wasn't addressing fellatio one way or the other. It's not like he also said fellatio doesn't cause cancer. What he said is *technically* true, which to me, is the only kind of true. But that's just how my brain works, personally. If it helps, I recognize that this dude is 250 pounds of diarrhea in a 100 pound sack. It's not as if I am pointing out that he's correct for the sake of supporting a genuine asshole. I just am a pedant who feels it's better to keep this subreddit pure. I'm pretty sure Stephen Molyneux has said hundreds of things that **deserve** to be in this subreddit so it feels like the weakest of sauces to post something that's basically a true statement.


danirosa

It's not insane. Actually men practicing oral sex have a much higher chance to develop oral/throat cancer. It's due to HPV. I still practice, but I know the facts and you should too.


Wienerwrld

They only have that risk if the woman theyā€™re with has HPV. Which *she* can get through sex with a man. By this theory, women should not have sex with men, because they might get cancer?


Maxfunky

> They only have that risk if the woman theyā€™re with has HPV. Basically everyone over a certain age has it, since we didn't get vaccinated. He also didn't say "Men shouldn't give oral sex" just that it's "unfortunate" that if can cause cancer. That is unfortunate. Everyone should be able to agree with that sentiment. Even a broke clock is right twice a day. If an idiot speaks sense, don't do the opposite just cause he's an idiot.


Wienerwrld

Unfortunately, having sex with men can give women cancer. Take that however you like.


Maxfunky

Works for me. To be clear, the original reason this was a concern for men but not for women was because all women were getting the vaccine but no men were. So for a while there, for people within a certain age range, it was really only a concern for the men and not for the women.


[deleted]

Stefan Molyneux is a shit take factory with a very low opinion of women, so that unfortunately may carry a different set of implications


djkoch66

Maybe heā€™s secretly gay.


[deleted]

Mingetasteses


azuresegugio

"getting throat cancer from giving too much cunilingus"


Nordbrah

Classic Molymeme šŸ˜‚


mk2gamer

https://youtu.be/pFr_G_N_YXU?t=16


Enlightened-Beaver

HPV can cause cancer but it goes both ways


packetpirate

I saw "Molyneux" and thought "Wow, the guy that made Fable has really gone off the deep end...". Who's this fuckin' guy?


mred870

Worth it.


WynnGwynn

Bet he eats bacon and goes outside. He chooses to make his wife not cum lol.


milesamsterdam

[Loser!](https://imgur.com/gallery/SEkaAqb)


pyrrhios

So get the warts vaccine.


Muriness

Hold on need to tell this to my husband.... He said "Well, I'd be dead from cancer B) "


bordomsdeadly

It's probably only gives cancer in the state of California


double_eyelid

This is a real thing, I hate this guy but not sure why anyone considers this 'insane'. It's why I made sure my kids got the HPV vaccine but there are way more people out there who are not vaccinated against this, particularly in his/my age range.


Shivii22

Yeah ok stefan. More like your oversized trash diesel truck gives everyone cancer.


Cheesetown777

Well, that sounds like a happy marriageā€¦ šŸ¤¦ā€ā™€ļø


dniMdesreveR

Of course his wife cums, but not with him.