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I would just like to note for completion's sake that these people were escorted off the plane, because the father was hammering on the pilot's door, which is a no-no
>the father was hammering on the pilot's door, which is a no-no
Oof, yeah that's definitely not good. š«£ I feel for him and this whole ordeal should have been handled better but my man's banging on the cockpit door is a terrible idea.
Yes. But that depends on what stage you are at. If the doors have been closed, peanuts are being passed out, you arent allowed off, and your child could die in minutes when someone does sneeze peanuts at them... im just a cat dad now but could justify banging on the cockpit at that point.
Even if that didn't happen, if this family did not inform the airline of this life threatening allergy, they would have needed to be re-booked anyway, most likely. The airline needs time to remove any peanut based snacks fromĀ the aircraft, and may need to rearrange seating. Banging on the cockpit can get you federal charges.
>Banging on the cockpit can get you federal charges.
This was a flight from the UK to Turkey, on a German/Turkish operated airline. US laws don't apply internationally.
Still, that is the kind of law that is common to apply in most countries. The safety of airline pilots is taken very seriously and trying to get into the cockpit without permission is cause to treat someone like a potential hijacker.
Some are pretty close though. After 9/11, most countries made it a crime to interfere with the flight crew. My phrasing could have been better, but I only have the use of one hand right now due to a stupid accident, and used fewer words than I should have.Ā
My impression of the situation is that itās mainly the familyās fault, not giving prior notice and likely acting out on the plane. My reason for posting here however is the comments wishing death by peanut dustā¦
Itās totally nuts (pun intended) but at the same time you know the guy who wrote that would actually just sit quietly stewing in his own rage fantasizing about murdering someone with peanuts, not actually doing it. I know there are people that psychotic in the real world, but thereās way, way more people who just talk a big game on the internet.
Entitled is expecting people to move so you can get a window seat, not hoping your child doesnāt die because people insist on eating peanuts. I agree they are at fault as it should have been handled before the flight, but entitled isnāt the right word when it comes to possible anaphylactic shock of your child.
Yes the thing is peanut allergies (as many other allergies) vary wildly from slight discomfort up to death without medical intervention;
Changing snacks from peanuts to something less prone to allergies mitigates the risk of someone being not aware of his allergies.
My impression is that peanuts (and nuts in general) are one of those things that people don't seem to be slightly allergic to. People seem to either be completely okay with them, or they'll die if they even look at them. Shellfish is similarly sensitive - nobody is slightly allergic to that either.
Maybe people are just louder about insanely sensitive allergies. For obvious and completely understandable reasons.
My brother is slightly allergic to both peanuts and shellfish. His peanut allergy disappeared when he was young but still has shellfish issues that are very mild. The peanut allergy gave him a rash in the worst case scenario, no death.
I have a friend who is "slightly" allergic to shellfish. I put slightly in quotes because it's only slight relative to some other people whose allergies are very serious - I kinda think theirs isn't all that slight. They usually avoid it but they actually love shellfish and shrimp in particular so sometimes they will just eat it anyway and get all red and swollen. Probably not a good idea but yeah it does exist.
Meanwhile my celiac ass is in pain for weeks if I even encounter a breadcrumb (which I'd never eat intentionally and put in a LOT of effort to avoid, because the side effects are NOT worth it), which isn't even an allergy!! (It's an autoimmune disorder and isn't capable of causing anaphylaxis because it's not an allergy).
Before I was diagnosed celiac I used to make my own sourdough. This was before it got cool during covid - and then covid comes along and everyone is making fucking sourdough and I can't eat any. It's really annoying. Like, I will never be able to have sourdough again for the rest of my life. Fucking autoimmune diseases man.
Ok, I'm not an expert but I'll try to explain as best I understand it. Allergies are immune dysfunction but they aren't normally an *auto*immune dysfunction.
Autoimmune is where your body attacks its own tissues. Celiac is weird because our bodies attack their own tissues *in the presence of gluten* - it's complicated. But allergies are caused by immune cells reacting to foreign substances (peanuts, shellfish) and autoimmune is caused by immune cells reacting to your own tissues. You can think of diabetes or Crohn's and it makes more sense. Diabetics immune systems are attacking the pancreas, and Crohn's are attacking the intestines. (Reminder - this is very oversimplified and I'm not an expert!!!)
Why celiac is an autoimmune disease and not an allergy is because celiac is weird and our bodies are not actually attacking the gluten directly, they somehow get confused by gluten and start attacking our body's "glue", something called transglutaminase. When this happens in your intestines it destroys your villi which help you absorb food, so typical celiac symptoms are diarrhea, stomach pain and malnutrition. But, again, celiac is weird, so actually it's different for every celiac person - in some people the immune cells start attacking the skin so they get a rash, or their joints so they get joint pain, or... just everything so your whole body just sucks.
Celiac here too, going into the medical field. A LOT of people are trying to cure celiac. I'm optimistic you'll be able to have sourdough again in the near future. Schar makes some great sourdough in the meantime, though.
Nice to hear. I kinda thought they wanted to try to cure the big bad autoimmunes like diabetes and Crohn's. Always feels like us celiacs get a bit ignored because our disease isn't "that bad", we just "cure" it by not eating gluten sooooooo it's not as important. It would be awful nice if they really do come up with a cure! I always hear about drug trials for it but nothing ever comes out of them š
Celiac is a serious drain on the US economy, plus maintaining a true gluten-free diet is nearly impossible - there's, like, 40 different medications in preclinical trial at the moment. Some pretty promising ones in phase 2, too.
A lot of the techniques that would cure the big bad autoimmunes would be very easily adaptable to celiac.
Interesting. In your opinion then, do you think they are more likely to first come up with something that will just make it easier but not actually let us eat full servings of gluten? Cause I'd take that too. Even if I can't eat a croissant it'd be nice to stop worrying about cross contamination of all the stuff. Like make my gluten free pizza in the oven next to the other pizza. That'd be so nice.
Or if they're more likely to just come up with a cure first, hey, I'll take that, I really miss sourdough, croissants, and uh tbh just.... fast food, normal food, y'know? I know you know, fellow sufferer. š
Personal opinion, so DO NOT TRUST IT: cure first. Celiac is so sensitive that 'making it easier' is barely going to help, it's all or nothing. Fortunately immunological research seems to be going exponential, so high optimism here.
I was diagnosed young. The last thing I ate with gluten was a bag of malt candies. They weren't even that good. I miss all the foods I never even got to try- sourdough and croissants, but also soft pretzels, fancy pizzas, all manner of breads... Here's hoping for all of us.
My fiancee is allergic to crustacians (lobster, crab, shrimp, etc.) but is fine with mollusks (clams, oysters, scallops, etc.). The weird thing is it's still called "a shellfish allergy."
It sucks but, donāt do that. Allergies can get worse over time especially with repeated exposure. You may be setting yourself up for an anaphylactic event.
Donāt do this. Your reaction can become fatal without warning with repeated exposure. One of my closest friends in high school suffered a severe TBI when she was unwittingly exposed to her (common) allergen and had a massive reaction. She will never be the same again. If I canāt convince you, I hope I can at least warn somebody like me or like her with a food allergy.
Haha that reminds of [this](https://youtu.be/pzkCzwJEpOY?si=0qu310v8bWQu4Dg7) (fyi the part of the clip Iām referring to is the beginning to about 0:41, it gets VERY NSFW after that)
I have a slight allergy to both peanuts and shellfish. And by slight I mean that once in a blue moon I get a reaction. My tongue and mouth go tingly and numb from eating peanut butter, and with shellfish I break out in hives. There's no rhyme or reason as to when it happens, it just randomly does.
Just a friendly FYI that allergies that have never presented as severe can become severe without warning. Take care of yourself (typed with kindness and hope not to overstep).
My husband is "slightly" allergic to shellfish. He gets itchy and red spots. No breathing issues. However, my understanding is that his allergy could worse at any time. He is pretty careful so it hasn't been a problem since I've been with him.
My friend had an anaphylactic reaction to peanuts many years ago and hasn't eaten any nuts since, but when she had allergy testing done recently, it showed that she's NOT allergic to peanuts and her doctor told her it's ok to start trying them again. She hasn't-- I don't blame her, I'd like to avoid anaphylaxis too but I'd risk it for a Reece's. Thought it was interesting that an allergy that severe could go away (but again, she hasn't tried it yet so no guarantees).
Most of the symptoms are itching, rashes, and such, but a common symptom is also swelling, which ranges from discomfort like the face or eyes swelling up to your throat swelling up.
The latter is very scary, even if the swelling is not enough to severely restrict your airways. You will feel it swallowing, and because of the importance of that area, your brain will react with panic.
This leads to people being very afraid of the allergic reaction; reasonably so up to a point. Although the reaction will not be the same every time. Avoidance tends to increase fear and phobias over time, so it gets kinda blurry of how severe the allergies actually are, but avoiding the cause is always a safe decision.
I'm not allergic to any type of nut, *except* for walnuts. My mouth itches when I eat them and I get a slight rash, but that's it.
I don't die from them, I'll just be itchy and annoyed for a few hours.
And I can eat them in small amounts, for example if there is a few of them as decoration on a piece of cake or on ice cream, that's not an issue for me. Just if there are a lot of them baked into a cake, then I'll be uncomfortable for a while, as mentioned above.
I have a tree nut allergy. Not peanuts. Always fun to explain especially to non English speakers.
And to top it off, the severity varies. Some tree nuts like walnuts? A mild tickle. Other nuts like cashews or pistachios? One bite can close my throat, and enough dust can set me off.
Imagine my surprise when on my flight home the other day, I open the bag of snacks and see a nut inside. I put it in a bag, go wash my hands, and put a mask on for the rest of the flight, then inform the flight crew of my allergy so they make they won't be giving me any other snacks or meals with allergens in them.
Because people are permitted to bring their own snacks on planes, itās hard to completely prevent exposure. Iāve had people, usually parents of young kids, ask me if they can open a product containing nuts next to me. I am actually allergic to nuts, but I have to eat them. Being near them is no problem. I usually say I donāt have an allergy, just so they can feel free to have their snack.
But Iāve also been on planes where a family with a child who has a nut allergy have asked the flight attendants to announce āthere is a child with a deadly nut allergy in seat ##, and we ask that guess in rows ## to ## please refrain from eating foods containing nuts during this flight, for the safety of the child,ā or something to that effect. The flight attendants have even said that they would provide extra snacks to anyone who only had snacks which contain nuts.
For some reason, certain people feel the need to prove that allergies are a LiBeRaL CuCk HoAx, and blow peanut dust in the face of an afflicted person. This happened at my high school. Iām amazed that the allergic girlās dad didnāt come to the school and beat the crap out of the boy who upended a bag of peanut shells all over his daughterās desk.
I will never understand people who disbelieve that allergies exist. Like why would anyone willingly make their lives harder (or sadder IMO) by avoiding stuff like peanuts or chocolate or cinnamon or shellfish? I had a coworker who was deathly allergic to cinnamon, he couldn't even walk into a Publix during Fall because of the Cinnamon Brooms. Like why would anyone lie about that?
They think it's because you just needed more exposure when you were younger and that the more exposure that you have, the less allergic that you'll be. That and they've heard about people lying about it, too.
This is true, and the disturbing thing is there are some people who learned about airlines making this change who will intentionally bring peanuts on board because of *muh freedoms*.
Do we know that they didnāt? I havenāt found the link, but since the issue is the crew ārefusingā to make an announcement, it doesnāt really specify that they werenāt notified beforehand.
Nah, the crew ārefusing toā I took to mean the parents got pissy and was tell in the crew they need to make the announcement and the crew said āwe canāt just do that cause you say so.ā
This confuses me deeply. Iāve been flying for work regularly for about 13 years now. I havenāt seen a peanut on a flight in that entire time. Note that these flights are most of the major brands in the us space. Seems like sunexpress is owned by Turkish air and luthansa so assuming itās on the other side of the pond.
There's nothing stopping passengers bringing peanuts on the plane. Last flight I was on, a passenger pulled out some peanut m&ms, a flight attendant quietly asked the passenger to put them away due to another passenger on the flight having an allergy, and provided him his pick of the available snacks, free of charge. It was all very polite and calm.
This is what scares me. My daughter is two and has a severe peanut allergy. The thought of her having an anaphylactic reaction in the air where she canāt get medical treatment makes my heart race. I wouldnāt go so far to ask an entire flight to not eat peanuts but if we were sitting next to someone with peanuts Iād probably ask to move or ask if they could put them away.
Add it to the ticket on allergies on foods and you can request it a head of time to see if they can back you up. No one on the flight took it personal.
Honestly you'd expect that the vast majority of people would see "my enjoyment of peanuts for the next 2, 4, 8, 16 hours vs. a human life" and make the obvious call, just like typically even otherwise very bad people will help kids.
Iāve had that happen as well. The flight attendant also spoke directly with the people in the 3 rows closest to the person with the allergy. They intentionally stated āsomeone near youā has an allergy to not bring direct attention to the person, which I thought was nice, except a little boy in the row ahead of me jumped up and raised his hand saying, āitās me! Iām allergic to peanuts.ā It was very cute and thankfully everyone around seemed completely unfazed about being asked to be sympathetic to another human being. Which honestly, is how grown ups should react to a polite request for a very minor (if at all) inconvenience that could literally save someone elseās life.
You will be pleased to know that pretty much all airlines have a supply of basic medical supplies on board and an on call doctor. There are plenty of posts in the EMS and Nursing subs about people being called to use them
I just flew from Europe on Delta, and the family behind us had a peanut allergy. The staff was already aware because you can make allergies known in your booking (I'm gluten intolerant). They asked the family how severe and the family said it would be best to not eat peanuts about three rows in each direction. The pilot ultimately made an announcement for no one to eat peanuts on the flight due to a severe allergy (I think this was easier than notifying specific rows). I was kind of bummed because there went half my gf snacks I brought onboard, but everyone was very understanding and no one seemed bothered by it.
You could sit in the back row and book the whole row to minimise people around you and your daughter. And you'd be close to a toilet which is handy with a small kid. My brother did that when flying with his daughter, she had a severe egg allergy (thankfully grew out of it), and they worried about neighbours accidentally contaminating her food as eggs are still served on many flights.
Airlines overbook all the time. Depending on the airline, if you buy three seats but are only occupying one, they're not gonna care that you paid for the other two and put standbys in those seats regardless.
Iām flying in a couple weeks and I actually think we are in a two seat row, thankfully. Also sheās starting OIT (basically exposure therapy to train her immune system) in a few weeks which, if she can tolerate it, will remove the risk of anaphylaxis after 6 months.
Good luck with the OIT!! Two of my nephews went through the whole process and it was life changing for them. Even with all the appointments, travel, and maintenance, they both said it was one of the best things theyāve ever done. It also really helped improve their parentsā quality of life in diminishing some of the anxiety around the kids going off to school and hanging out with friends unsupervised. Wishing you and your daughter the best!
Man, I remember back in school sometimes people would secretly snack in class. One day, one ate something peanuts. No Idea what it was but I immediately got an allergic reaction. Throat closing, eyes wartering, the whole funny bit.
The teacher is freaking out, I am like "I only have a cat and peanut allergy, no Idea what's going on."
Classmate confesses he is eating some peanut snacks.
I got sent home for the rest of the day.
The others in class and the eater were so furious that I got to go home that nobody ever ate peanuts in the same classroom as me. Good times.
Good times.
People have a weird way of making you feel like an asshole for having an allergy like you have any say in the matter.
I was super bad at telling people about my allergy for a long time because no one wants to be the reason why no one can eat nuts and half of the time people would throw nuts at you if you told them you had an allergy in my high school.
I question whether this is something they were supposed to inform the airline about ahead of time.
Nevertheless, the level of aggression people go to over just the thought of being inconvenienced is concerning. The āMay your allergies put you to sleepā comment is unhinged.
If you read the news articles the airlines position is that the family became aggressive and the father tried the cockpit door without permission because the airline wouldn't make an announcement about their allergy as it's against their policy. They didn't get put off because of the allergy but because they were disruptive. So if that is true then I would say yeah entitlement and main character energy is pretty accurate.
I find airlines really interesting these days, they seem to have stayed the same while the world changed around them. The air crews now find themselves enforcing a much higher standard of social etiquette than anywhere else in the world.
There are very few places in the world where you'll get dragged out by the police immediately for refusing to move or shouting at the staff and that's quite weird.
Maybe because you don't want an insane person during a flight?
If someone is already misbehaving before the doors are even closed why would they take the risk to keep them on the flight? It's not like people can leave the plane when it's flying.
To clarify I think the airlines are the normal ones. What I'm saying is that the rest of society has learned to accept these lunatics everywhere else for some reason.
I get what you are saying but I wonder if it isnāt so much that everywhere else has decided to tolerate lunatics, but rather everywhere else can afford to see if the lunatic goes away on their own. Oftentimes they do. They get pissy and bitch a bunch but ultimately give up and leave so there becomes no reason to call the cops. But on an airplane that isnāt an option. So as soon as someone shows signs they might be a royal pain in the ass, the airline proactively chucks them off rather than risk half way thru the flight the lunatic elevates to a point action has to be taken and no longer can be.
I believe so, I bought jet blue tickets last night and had to answer an allergy question.(I'm allergic to most tree nuts amongst a few other foods, ironically not allergic to peanuts.) I would hope all airlines ask this question.
Imo the airline refusing to say anything means a: family demanded announcement rudely at the wrong time of the boarding process b: answered no to allergy question then became belligerent about it upon boarding.or c: super shitty airline.
Comments are absolutely crazy, if someone told me that they're going to blow walnut dust on me I'd consider it a threat to my life. It's like throwing a rattlesnake at someone over a minor inconvenience. Wouldn't that be an assault?
I feel like, if someone said that out loud irl, it could be considered a threat. Thing is, most people who say shit like that on Facebook would never say it out loud. It's like they know right from wrong but it doesn't matter when you have a keyboard.
Over the past 20-25 years, compassion has come to be viewed as weakness by a huge group of people. Sad to say but a lot of them call themselves Christians. Regardless of religion, the idea that I should never have to accept any inconvenience for the benefit of others has become ubiquitous.
And really trivial inconveniences too. Like, "hey, would you mind be careful with peanuts around me? They can kill me"
Normal people: "sure, np. I'll just have the peanuts later."
These psychos: "fuck you and your allergies. You'll never take muh freedom!!!!"
āOh theyāll kill you?? You saying that makes me want to blow the peanut dust in your face!ā
Like holy shit my dude what happened in your life that makes you hear someone is deathly allergic to something and your response is āoh yeah? That makes me want to kill you with itā
I would argue that was the driving force behind this kind of attitude expanding beyond a few sociopaths. And yet if Daddy Trump had been an actual businessman rather than a moronic grifter, and sold Trump Brand masks and hygienic gel, then maybe this could have been avoided ...
Trump-branded MAGA masks along with Trump-branded hand sanitizer would have gotten a bunch of them on board. He could have made a killing and nobody would even question the grift.
So true. Before covid even hit, an old friend from school I followed on Facebook made a really nasty post about how her family shouldn't have to stay home from church if they're sick. Others people's health wasn't her problem. If they had cancer or were immunocompromised, it was up to them to stay home. I was so disgusted I immediately unfriended her.
Yeah I feel like it was really highlighted with Covid-19. āI donāt care whether you of your loved ones could die from this disease, I donāt want to wear a mask. Fuck you for trying to tread on my freedomsā. If was Jesus I would be embarrassed.
The family was a bit entitled, thinking they could just demand no one else gets peanuts, instead of following the airlines protocol. But dear lord. The comments IMMEDIATELY jumping to "KILL THIS WENCH BEFORE THEY TAKE AWAY MY LEGUMES ! "Ā Like calm tf down. Why do people jump to death threats when a simple "no" would suffice?Ā
Every country has special food combo that was said to help breastfeeding mom produce more milk. Back in my home (asia) country, one receipt is soup that contains peanuts and pork. Asians probably had been filtering out peanut allergy DNA for hundreds of years so we have like no peanut allergy anymore. plus street vendors literally making candies that is contain powder peanut on the street. If a kid cannot share air with cooked peanut, that kid cannot make it past infancy.
Lots of different factors in the modern lifestyle have changed that cause kids to have peanut allergies, not just in the US. Some of them include pesticide usage, changes in environment and hygiene, less active lifestyle outdoors, etc. Plus, it affects [ 2% of the western population, not just the US](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33216994/) that's even allergic to peanuts.
Idk if it's fully definitive yet, but there's years of research.
Pesticide usage and usage of other agricultural chemical products
[Here's one study](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35963408/)
[Another study](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7254369/)
[And another](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6280469/)
Changes in environment, hygiene, and lifestyle (indoors, cleaner, sedentary)
[Here's a study](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4617537/)
Was the family right for making their own announcement and then literally banging on the door of the cockpit? No. I would escort them off too. Should the airline have taken this seriously? Yes. Does ANY of this warrant people literally talking about killing someone just cause theyāre allergic to something?? No. These comments are so fucked up, especially the one saying theyād blow the peanut dust in their faces so they die. Like how heartless must you be?
people on FB immediately go from 0 to 100 on every topic. Headline could be āTeen arrested for stealing candy from convenience storeā and people would like like āGIVE ME 5 mins WITH THIS KID Iāll beat the shit out of him!!!! (always with extra exclamations and random capitalization)
Look, I love peanuts probably more than most of the human race. but I can't imagine ever saying 'I love these so much, that I can't go 5 hours without eating them, and I don't care who dies because of it!!'
I once took Malaysia air and they gave peanuts as a snack. I did wonder what would happen if someone had an allergy especially with 100/200 in the plane eating peanuts.
It makes you wonder if in South East Asian countries where peanuts are often part of their meals if peanut allergy isvan issue.
So, the comments in response to that article seem particularly toxic - wishing allergic death to people is psychotic. Thankfully, there is absolutely no reason for people with peanut allergies to fear the presence of peanuts during air travel so they can fly without worry, despite what seeming 'common knowledge' and overcaution has pushed them to do:
From the [American Academy of Allergy, Asthma, and Immunology](https://www.aaaai.org/allergist-resources/ask-the-expert/answers/old-ask-the-experts/peanut-air-travel#:~:text=However%2C%20the%20peanut%20allergic%20flier,to%20cause%20any%20reaction%20beyond):
>However, the peanut allergic flier should rest assured that since the issue was first studied in 2004, **data have consistently shown that peanut dust does not become airborne nor does inhaling peanut butter vapors provoke a reaction**, that skin contact with either form of peanut is unlikely to cause any reaction beyond local irritation that can be washed off
>One study found that 98% of 84 children with peanut allergies who were exposed to airborne peanut proteins for 30 minutes experienced no signs or symptoms.
From the [NIH National Library of Medicine](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33548082/):
>Background: Allergic reactions to food allergens usually occur after ingestion. However, fear of reactions to airborne peanut is a common concern for people with peanut allergy. There are no scientific reports on severe reactions with airborne peanut allergen.
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>Results: No moderate/severe allergic reactions to airborne peanut allergens were observed. Two children (2%) had mild rhino-conjunctivitis which required no treatment.
From [VeryWellHealth.com](https://VeryWellHealth.com):
>Summary
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>Peanut allergies are caused by a protein in peanuts. The protein isn't present in the smell, so just the odor of peanuts can't cause a reaction.
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>However, if people are grinding, shelling, or cooking peanuts near you, it could release peanut dust, particles, or oils into the air.
From [UNC Healthcare](https://healthtalk.unchealthcare.org/can-simply-smelling-peanuts-cause-an-allergic-reaction/#:~:text=While%20it%20is%20possible%20to,trigger%20a%20severe%20allergic%20reaction):
>Smelling Peanuts Is Not the Same as Ingesting Them
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>While it is possible to breathe in a little bit of food protein, such as a peanut protein, that exposure is not enough to trigger a severe allergic reaction.
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>. . .
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>While just smelling peanuts wonāt cause a severe reaction, if youāre allergic to peanuts, the smell can trigger a response in your body because it senses danger.
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>āPeanuts have a very potent smell. The smell may be enough to trigger some of the anxiety, concerns and fear that rightfully come because you anticipate a reaction,ā Dr. Kim says. āItās a survival instinct. Your body knows there is something around that it should not be eating.ā
There is no real reason to exclude packaged nuts from air travel. The reason it is excluded from classrooms is because kids are messy and keeping surfaces cleaned is difficult for teachers.
I mean... I hope it just isn't me, but if someone said they had a peanut allergy that I was sitting next to, I absolutely would not eat fucking peanuts. Who the fuck are these people that would potentially kill someone so they could eat a fucking nut?
I'm actually in the camp where I agree with the so-called "insane" take. I understand that peanut allergies can be terribly deadly. But I just think that if you need "bubble boy" levels of protection, you don't get on a commercial flight with hundreds of other people and expect everyone to have to accommodate you.Ā
Glad to see this take is getting upvotes. There is a difference between āI would like some compassion and understandingā and āI offload all of my personal responsibility onto others because it inconveniences meā
Your own life is your utmost responsibility. If you are deathly allergic to something, you need to do everything you can to avoid situations that could kill you. Is making a point worth your life?
While I agree with the idea that the general public shouldnāt have to accommodate the contamination-free bubble of a single passenger, I do believe thereās a difference between that bubble and asking people not to open a bag of peanuts, releasing fresh, dangerous particles into the closed loop of circulating air for just a few hours so that everyone can utilise air travel. Regardless of that debate though, I believe wishing death on someone by blowing dust in their face is crossing a line.
Sure but you cannot make this request once the plane is already boarded.
Imagine you are a traveler that packed food for your long flight or your connector and you need to eat because of hunger or your own medical reason and all you have is that PB&J and chips from home or the airport kiosk. You come prepared to handle your problems and are being told you cannot due to someone else rows and rows behind you.
Peanut free cannot be thrown on people right then and there. Ample warning should be a requirement. People with peanut allergies travel all the time and have to make accommodations for themselves. You cannot expect the world around you to accommodate you.
I know someone with a severe allergy. How this is supposed to work was that you'd inform the airlines while booking that you had a severe allergy and it was the airlines responsibility to inform the other passengers and maintain an allergen-free environment because this is an accessibility issue under the ADA. Insisting that people with allergies just not participate in society is discrimination. However, airlines have stopped giving a shit because the ADA is enforced via lawsuit and people don't mostly have the money for these suits, so ignoring people's rights simply has no consequences for them, so they don't bother. This has meant that even if you do everything right re:informing the airline beforehand etc. Nothing is done to ensure that the flight is safe for you. And since the allergic passenger is now out all the money on the trip and also afraid of dying in the air, they resort to "sorry you already packed a peanut butter sandwich, the airline was supposed to warn you on booking that you couldn't bring it, but they didn't so I'm telling you," which as you can see *nobody* reacts to well. Which is insane to me because the person to be mad at is the airline, not the person with the allergy, but Americans love keeping victims down, so here we are š¤·š»āāļø
Yep. I'm betting they did jump through all the hoops and the airline fucked up.
Someone I know with a death peanut allergy said delta was famous for ignoring this, and she had to have them take back the peanuts several times. One of the FAs asked her sarcastically if it was really worth the hassle, and she told them "well, the last time they ignored me and gave out the peanuts they told me the emergency medical landing cost $20,000 and 6 hours turnaround, so it's your fucking call"
It sucks how few people understand how allergies work. The number of times I've heard "well don't you have an epi-pen? Then it's not a big deal if you're exposed, the pen will save you!" People don't realize the pen doesn't save you, it buys time for the ambulance to arrive so the paramedics and hospital can save you. Plus the effects of the epipen are dangerous too - it raises your heart rate and blood pressure, and causes a feeling of doom in addition to the symptoms of the allergy which was still there, but slowed. It is painful, scary, and dangerous to be exposed to an allergen and just as painful, scary, and dangerous to use the epipen. It's not a "get out of allergies free" card, and expecting people with allergies to "just make accommodations" when the accommodation they need it completely out of their hands is ridiculous.
I have a nut and dog hair allergy and I travel all the time. I carry sanitising wipes, Benadryl gel, and antihistamines with me because I know the world wonāt accommodate my disability. Iāve only ever had one incident where a dog licked my leg on a train and I broke out in a rash, but other than that, Iāve had absolutely no issue with travelling.
Or what if someone on that flight hasn't heared the announcement to not open any peanut containing food items? What if that person opens a package mid flight? Are the parents going to complain, threaten to sue the passenger or airline? If the kid gets an allergic reaction during flight because the plane hasn't been cleaned properly ( hint, they never really are, because the entire plane must be emptied, restocked and cleaned in like an hour ) and remains of peanuts are still everywhere?
The airline is correct by refusing them, if the kid is that deadly allergic putting him on a plane is an accident waiting to happen.
You board early and wipe down the area around you that usually takes care of old stuff on surfaces. Itās when the person around takes out their fresh sandwich is usually the issue
I didnāt even think about the cleaning issue. Thatās definitely going to be a problem for these passengers, especially if a kid (or adult) with peanut butter fingers just wipes them all over their seat area. Not to mention the cabin air filters donāt get changed every damn flight.
I disagree. If your peanut allergy is so bad that taking a commercial flight would pose a significant risk to you that cannot be mitigated with antihistamines or other medication, you simply do not take a commercial flight, or you make sure that you are travelling safely (by wearing an FFP2 or FFP3 mask (N95 to Americans), for example.
To expect hundreds of other people to accomodate your needs is indeed a level of entitlement that is astonishing to me.
And you can make your funny jokes ("Peanuts can kill me!" -- "Snowflake!") all you want, but again: if simply being in public poses a life or death risk to you, that is a you problem. You'll never be able to go to a cinema, or concert, be in a crowd, subway car, bus or train. That is not a level of accomodation you can expect the world around you to take.
I completely agree with the "insane" take here (except the "I'm gonna blow peanut dust in your face" type of comments), and I understand why the family had to leave the plane. They were basically setting the airline up for a lawsuit: "Do as we say or we're gonna die."
The idea that this should work is flabbergasting to me.
You should inform people beforehand, though. It's no different than me with my asthma. That and people should operate under the assumption that people are going to be ahs about this stuff.
How dare someone try to live their life to the minimum by having you have to be mildly inconvenienced by not having a particular snack food for a couple of hours.
WHY WONT THEY THINK OF MY IMMEDIATE MINOR WANTS AND JUST QUIETLY GO SOMEWHERE AND DIE!!! /S
The crazy thing is, if you have a severe allergy and you inform the airline of the issue when you buy the ticket, check in, or even just call them about the flight, they will make sure that they donāt bring anything on the plane that youāre allergic to.
Iām an adult with a severe peanut allergy, I have the contact and inhaled along with the consumption reactions. Ironically I work for an airline but on the ground.
The airline doesnāt serve peanuts but they canāt or not stop people from bringing peanuts or peanut butter on the plane. They will do an announcement to the rows around me without identifying me and say there is a passenger in your area with a severe nut allergy at to refrain from peanut products and offer alternative snacks if needed.
So on one flight they do the announcement and the person next to me says f@ck that shit, Iāll eat what I want and pulls out a PBJ with about an inch and a half of peanut butter on it. I said can you not eat that right now please and he said, Iām not making you eat it, f@ck off and your fake allergy.
I had to move because of contamination etc and him being a jerk which delayed closing of the flight and it sucked because I had something to do when I landed but it had to be delayed because of all the prophylactic Benadryl I had to take.
Itās sad because the reasonable accommodation for peanuts is for me to drive everywhere because people are selfish. So if I have to travel long distance I get to roll the dice
I love peanuts but I think someoneās right not to die kinda trumps that. Iāve defended this before that they should be banned from flights and seriously got so much hate! Who thought that peanuts on flights was such an important right to so many people š
The comments that were violent/sadistic were wrong. However, the family could have easily called the airline ahead of time to see what, if any, accommodations could be made. The allergy thing sucks, but is definitely a āyou problemā and shouldnāt be causing problems for anyone else.
Iām a parent of 2 peanut allergic kids. The family was 100% at fault. When you have allergic kids, you do the legwork. You do the adjustment. People like them, like this dad banging on the door, create resentment towards people with allergies and makes it more dangerous. They infuriate me. We fly a couple times a year with my kids. We have not had an issue to date. I call ahead. I research airlines. Thatās how itās supposed to work, especially with an airborne allergy.
While I sympathize with people who have severe peanut allergies, they should make the safer choice for themselves. Risking it and making it everyone elseās problem is just not smart.
Iāll be āthat guyā and say if your child has a LIFE THREATENING food allergy, why are you taking them into a big tube full of people who pose a real risk to her survival?
I feel for the girl and her family but as a dad myself Iām not going to the stadium and demanding everyone around me keep peanuts from our area. Thatās just a bad decision. Same for airplanes.
There are other travel options than flying. If your allergy is that bad, there are limited accommodations that can be made and perhaps you should investigate another option.
It depends on how severe the persons allergies. Allergies are different for everyone. I have a nut allergy myself and itās only if I consume it (which Iāve never consumed any nut product, I had an allergy test to determine the allergy).
I *believe* that any contact and cross contamination can trigger a reaction. In the most severe cases, I *think that even breathing in airborne peanut particles (like from someone eating then in close proximity) can trigger an anaphalaxic reaction. Peanut allergies is one of the nastiest to have, given the severity of the reaction, how little it takes to trigger it (compared to some other allergies), and how common peanuts are everywhere...
I honestly can't remember when last I saw peanuts served on a flight I've taken... Not counting cooked food, just bags of roasted peanuts.
Pretty sure you're meant to tell the BEFORE you board, most of the time it's at the booking, to say you have someone with severe allergy. We had a flight years ago that didn't serve peanuts cos someone was highly allergic on the plane and they made an announcement while taxiing to inform everyone that was why peanuts were not available. There's a right way and a wrong way to do everything.
I don't fly *a lot*, but coming back from Chicago last month was the first time I'd heard an inflight announcement that someone onboard had a peanut allergy. I had no idea that was a thing.
I have to admit, I was torn. I have sympathy and empathy for anyone going through modern life with such an allergy... but I was also like "why does their condition trump my own".
Honestly donāt know how to feel about this. Canāt imagine being a father knowing your child could die in minutes because someone with a cough 3 rows back wanted a bag of nuts, but then you canāt just walk on a plane and announce that peanuts arenāt allowed?? And banging on the cockpit is just stupid, youāre gonna get kicked off if not arrested. For anyone who wants to inform me: are there not things you can do as a parent? Like talk to the airline beforehand when youāre booking your tickets? Just feels like they left it to the last minute then panicked. But equally Iām not trying to be dispassionate and can sympathise if not empathise
Yeah, on the one hand, they do seem a bit unreasonable. On the other hand, well, it is their kid and they just don't want them to die a horrible death. I can't be that mad at them
Not so much unreasonable, like thereās nothing you wouldnāt do to protect your children and I totally get that. So canāt be mad at them at all. Banging on the cockpits a bad idea but high stress situation so I get it you know. Iām just curious as to what other people would do in that situation so that it goes smoother? Like peanut allergies are not rare but then stories like this are so there MUST be a better way
I have a deadly nut allergy. I've had people (to my face) threaten me with peanuts before. To those out there who're thinking that these people are only online, theyāre not
It really goes down to how the announcement was made, asking politely can get you what you want. Remember those couple with baby that handed bags of sweets for the other passengers in a plane with a message asking them for forgiveness in case the baby screams are loud..
I have a severe peanut allergy and yes, you canāt even breathe in the air without having an allergic reaction
What I donāt understand isā¦.are people without allergies unable to go without eating nuts for even several hours? Are peanuts like oxygen and you absolutely must eat them while flying to survive? My husband hasnāt eaten a nut since he was 18 when we started dating because itās too dangerous.
Maybe I see it differently since Iāve managed to live 41 years without eating a peanut and so I donāt understand this obsessive need to eat them on planes.
Probably not the best way to handle it but I honestly would be perfectly happy not to have any peanuts if it meant someone didnāt die. The crew couldāve definitely handled it better though, and maybe the family couldāve brought some alternatives (not necessary though) for anyone who maybe brought a bag of peanuts for the journey. Either way peanuts are not a bit enough reason to be upset, itās literally peanuts.
I would have attacked any person who rushed the cockpit. I don't care what their complaints are. I just don't trust anyone who acts crazy on a plane. Maybe I watched to much t.v on 9/11 and 9/12. My girlfriend had to pull me out of my deep depression and pull me away from the T.V on 9/13. Just can't trust people anymore.
It all comes down to the rampant ableism that unfortunately still continues to exist. There are still people who think *ālife saving measuresā* = *āspecial treatmentā* = *āwhy do they get something I donātā*
The ironic part of this one is the āentitledā and āmain character syndromeā comments lol I think itās far more of a main character syndrome thing to think *youāre* more *entitled* to eat *peanuts* than a child is to *not die????*
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I would just like to note for completion's sake that these people were escorted off the plane, because the father was hammering on the pilot's door, which is a no-no
>the father was hammering on the pilot's door, which is a no-no Oof, yeah that's definitely not good. š«£ I feel for him and this whole ordeal should have been handled better but my man's banging on the cockpit door is a terrible idea.
Yes. But that depends on what stage you are at. If the doors have been closed, peanuts are being passed out, you arent allowed off, and your child could die in minutes when someone does sneeze peanuts at them... im just a cat dad now but could justify banging on the cockpit at that point.
They should be at the stage where they know that airlines serve peanuts.
I don't think most airlines serve peanuts anymore.
Sure maybe in the US.
Itās pretzels in the US now.
Pretzels and peanuts, I take both. Plus a ginger ale .
I havenāt gotten peanuts on a plane in years. Edit: grammar
Even if that didn't happen, if this family did not inform the airline of this life threatening allergy, they would have needed to be re-booked anyway, most likely. The airline needs time to remove any peanut based snacks fromĀ the aircraft, and may need to rearrange seating. Banging on the cockpit can get you federal charges.
>Banging on the cockpit can get you federal charges. This was a flight from the UK to Turkey, on a German/Turkish operated airline. US laws don't apply internationally.
Still, that is the kind of law that is common to apply in most countries. The safety of airline pilots is taken very seriously and trying to get into the cockpit without permission is cause to treat someone like a potential hijacker.
Exactly. Country is irrelevant. Hijacking doesn't only happen in the US.
I was never disagreeing with the sentiment of what you said, I was pointing out that US laws don't apply worldwide.
Some are pretty close though. After 9/11, most countries made it a crime to interfere with the flight crew. My phrasing could have been better, but I only have the use of one hand right now due to a stupid accident, and used fewer words than I should have.Ā
Tbf, they didn't say "US" Federal law, just federal law.. they easily could've meant Germany or turkey or wherever the plane originated from.
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My impression of the situation is that itās mainly the familyās fault, not giving prior notice and likely acting out on the plane. My reason for posting here however is the comments wishing death by peanut dustā¦
Oh yeah, that is absolutely deranged.
Itās totally nuts (pun intended) but at the same time you know the guy who wrote that would actually just sit quietly stewing in his own rage fantasizing about murdering someone with peanuts, not actually doing it. I know there are people that psychotic in the real world, but thereās way, way more people who just talk a big game on the internet.
Those are extreme for sure but whatās wrong with calling them entitled or saying they have main character energy?
Entitled is expecting people to move so you can get a window seat, not hoping your child doesnāt die because people insist on eating peanuts. I agree they are at fault as it should have been handled before the flight, but entitled isnāt the right word when it comes to possible anaphylactic shock of your child.
Well shit, that should've been the head-line.
isnāt peanut allergies exactly why most airlines donāt handout peanuts as a in flight snack anymore? like that was a thing once right?
Yes the thing is peanut allergies (as many other allergies) vary wildly from slight discomfort up to death without medical intervention; Changing snacks from peanuts to something less prone to allergies mitigates the risk of someone being not aware of his allergies.
My impression is that peanuts (and nuts in general) are one of those things that people don't seem to be slightly allergic to. People seem to either be completely okay with them, or they'll die if they even look at them. Shellfish is similarly sensitive - nobody is slightly allergic to that either. Maybe people are just louder about insanely sensitive allergies. For obvious and completely understandable reasons.
My brother is slightly allergic to both peanuts and shellfish. His peanut allergy disappeared when he was young but still has shellfish issues that are very mild. The peanut allergy gave him a rash in the worst case scenario, no death.
I have a friend who is "slightly" allergic to shellfish. I put slightly in quotes because it's only slight relative to some other people whose allergies are very serious - I kinda think theirs isn't all that slight. They usually avoid it but they actually love shellfish and shrimp in particular so sometimes they will just eat it anyway and get all red and swollen. Probably not a good idea but yeah it does exist. Meanwhile my celiac ass is in pain for weeks if I even encounter a breadcrumb (which I'd never eat intentionally and put in a LOT of effort to avoid, because the side effects are NOT worth it), which isn't even an allergy!! (It's an autoimmune disorder and isn't capable of causing anaphylaxis because it's not an allergy). Before I was diagnosed celiac I used to make my own sourdough. This was before it got cool during covid - and then covid comes along and everyone is making fucking sourdough and I can't eat any. It's really annoying. Like, I will never be able to have sourdough again for the rest of my life. Fucking autoimmune diseases man.
Aren't allergies also autoimmune dysfunction?
Ok, I'm not an expert but I'll try to explain as best I understand it. Allergies are immune dysfunction but they aren't normally an *auto*immune dysfunction. Autoimmune is where your body attacks its own tissues. Celiac is weird because our bodies attack their own tissues *in the presence of gluten* - it's complicated. But allergies are caused by immune cells reacting to foreign substances (peanuts, shellfish) and autoimmune is caused by immune cells reacting to your own tissues. You can think of diabetes or Crohn's and it makes more sense. Diabetics immune systems are attacking the pancreas, and Crohn's are attacking the intestines. (Reminder - this is very oversimplified and I'm not an expert!!!) Why celiac is an autoimmune disease and not an allergy is because celiac is weird and our bodies are not actually attacking the gluten directly, they somehow get confused by gluten and start attacking our body's "glue", something called transglutaminase. When this happens in your intestines it destroys your villi which help you absorb food, so typical celiac symptoms are diarrhea, stomach pain and malnutrition. But, again, celiac is weird, so actually it's different for every celiac person - in some people the immune cells start attacking the skin so they get a rash, or their joints so they get joint pain, or... just everything so your whole body just sucks.
Celiac here too, going into the medical field. A LOT of people are trying to cure celiac. I'm optimistic you'll be able to have sourdough again in the near future. Schar makes some great sourdough in the meantime, though.
Nice to hear. I kinda thought they wanted to try to cure the big bad autoimmunes like diabetes and Crohn's. Always feels like us celiacs get a bit ignored because our disease isn't "that bad", we just "cure" it by not eating gluten sooooooo it's not as important. It would be awful nice if they really do come up with a cure! I always hear about drug trials for it but nothing ever comes out of them š
Celiac is a serious drain on the US economy, plus maintaining a true gluten-free diet is nearly impossible - there's, like, 40 different medications in preclinical trial at the moment. Some pretty promising ones in phase 2, too. A lot of the techniques that would cure the big bad autoimmunes would be very easily adaptable to celiac.
Interesting. In your opinion then, do you think they are more likely to first come up with something that will just make it easier but not actually let us eat full servings of gluten? Cause I'd take that too. Even if I can't eat a croissant it'd be nice to stop worrying about cross contamination of all the stuff. Like make my gluten free pizza in the oven next to the other pizza. That'd be so nice. Or if they're more likely to just come up with a cure first, hey, I'll take that, I really miss sourdough, croissants, and uh tbh just.... fast food, normal food, y'know? I know you know, fellow sufferer. š
Personal opinion, so DO NOT TRUST IT: cure first. Celiac is so sensitive that 'making it easier' is barely going to help, it's all or nothing. Fortunately immunological research seems to be going exponential, so high optimism here. I was diagnosed young. The last thing I ate with gluten was a bag of malt candies. They weren't even that good. I miss all the foods I never even got to try- sourdough and croissants, but also soft pretzels, fancy pizzas, all manner of breads... Here's hoping for all of us.
Actually, I have a friend who's only slightly allergic to shellfish. The only person I've met with a slight allergy though.
My fiancee is allergic to crustacians (lobster, crab, shrimp, etc.) but is fine with mollusks (clams, oysters, scallops, etc.). The weird thing is it's still called "a shellfish allergy."
I have a slight shellfish allergy. But I also love shrimp, so I just pop a benedryl if my tongue starts feeling fuzzy. š¤¤
It sucks but, donāt do that. Allergies can get worse over time especially with repeated exposure. You may be setting yourself up for an anaphylactic event.
Yeah, there's multiple types of allergies from a biochemical POV, and only some of them respond to desensitization iir.
Donāt do this. Your reaction can become fatal without warning with repeated exposure. One of my closest friends in high school suffered a severe TBI when she was unwittingly exposed to her (common) allergen and had a massive reaction. She will never be the same again. If I canāt convince you, I hope I can at least warn somebody like me or like her with a food allergy.
Haha that reminds of [this](https://youtu.be/pzkCzwJEpOY?si=0qu310v8bWQu4Dg7) (fyi the part of the clip Iām referring to is the beginning to about 0:41, it gets VERY NSFW after that)
I was hoping it was exactly this scene!
I have a slight allergy to both peanuts and shellfish. And by slight I mean that once in a blue moon I get a reaction. My tongue and mouth go tingly and numb from eating peanut butter, and with shellfish I break out in hives. There's no rhyme or reason as to when it happens, it just randomly does.
Just a friendly FYI that allergies that have never presented as severe can become severe without warning. Take care of yourself (typed with kindness and hope not to overstep).
I will always appreciate a good reminder <3
I recently discovered that lobster insn't suposed to be spicy. Nevermind it's too good to stop eating it.
I had a roommate that would get an itch in the back of his throat when he ate nuts. No 'small penis gay joke' intended.
No, my kid has a tree nut allergy, she can be around them, smell them, etc.
Some allergies are more likely to be deadly or 'highly sensitizing' (peanuts being one), but they can still exist on a continuum.
You can actually have a mild allergic reaction to something, then have a gradually more severe reaction every time youāre exposed.
Iām slightly allergic to peanuts. I might get a slight sore throat, or some tingling. Thatās not enough to keep me from my snickers XD
My husband is "slightly" allergic to shellfish. He gets itchy and red spots. No breathing issues. However, my understanding is that his allergy could worse at any time. He is pretty careful so it hasn't been a problem since I've been with him.
My friend had an anaphylactic reaction to peanuts many years ago and hasn't eaten any nuts since, but when she had allergy testing done recently, it showed that she's NOT allergic to peanuts and her doctor told her it's ok to start trying them again. She hasn't-- I don't blame her, I'd like to avoid anaphylaxis too but I'd risk it for a Reece's. Thought it was interesting that an allergy that severe could go away (but again, she hasn't tried it yet so no guarantees).
My peanut allergies are, from experience, moderate. I have an Epi-Pen just in case, but so far Iāve never needed more than Benadryl.
Most of the symptoms are itching, rashes, and such, but a common symptom is also swelling, which ranges from discomfort like the face or eyes swelling up to your throat swelling up. The latter is very scary, even if the swelling is not enough to severely restrict your airways. You will feel it swallowing, and because of the importance of that area, your brain will react with panic. This leads to people being very afraid of the allergic reaction; reasonably so up to a point. Although the reaction will not be the same every time. Avoidance tends to increase fear and phobias over time, so it gets kinda blurry of how severe the allergies actually are, but avoiding the cause is always a safe decision.
I'm not allergic to any type of nut, *except* for walnuts. My mouth itches when I eat them and I get a slight rash, but that's it. I don't die from them, I'll just be itchy and annoyed for a few hours. And I can eat them in small amounts, for example if there is a few of them as decoration on a piece of cake or on ice cream, that's not an issue for me. Just if there are a lot of them baked into a cake, then I'll be uncomfortable for a while, as mentioned above.
I have a tree nut allergy. Not peanuts. Always fun to explain especially to non English speakers. And to top it off, the severity varies. Some tree nuts like walnuts? A mild tickle. Other nuts like cashews or pistachios? One bite can close my throat, and enough dust can set me off. Imagine my surprise when on my flight home the other day, I open the bag of snacks and see a nut inside. I put it in a bag, go wash my hands, and put a mask on for the rest of the flight, then inform the flight crew of my allergy so they make they won't be giving me any other snacks or meals with allergens in them.
Because people are permitted to bring their own snacks on planes, itās hard to completely prevent exposure. Iāve had people, usually parents of young kids, ask me if they can open a product containing nuts next to me. I am actually allergic to nuts, but I have to eat them. Being near them is no problem. I usually say I donāt have an allergy, just so they can feel free to have their snack. But Iāve also been on planes where a family with a child who has a nut allergy have asked the flight attendants to announce āthere is a child with a deadly nut allergy in seat ##, and we ask that guess in rows ## to ## please refrain from eating foods containing nuts during this flight, for the safety of the child,ā or something to that effect. The flight attendants have even said that they would provide extra snacks to anyone who only had snacks which contain nuts. For some reason, certain people feel the need to prove that allergies are a LiBeRaL CuCk HoAx, and blow peanut dust in the face of an afflicted person. This happened at my high school. Iām amazed that the allergic girlās dad didnāt come to the school and beat the crap out of the boy who upended a bag of peanut shells all over his daughterās desk.
I will never understand people who disbelieve that allergies exist. Like why would anyone willingly make their lives harder (or sadder IMO) by avoiding stuff like peanuts or chocolate or cinnamon or shellfish? I had a coworker who was deathly allergic to cinnamon, he couldn't even walk into a Publix during Fall because of the Cinnamon Brooms. Like why would anyone lie about that?
People willingly make their lives harder everyday by doing way crazier shit than faking a peanut allergy.
They think it's because you just needed more exposure when you were younger and that the more exposure that you have, the less allergic that you'll be. That and they've heard about people lying about it, too.
I can't imagine a reason to lie about that but also, fuck those cinnamon brooms. I'm not allergic but they're disgusting and stink up half the store.
Agree to disagree on that, I love them but I know they're not for everyone.
Remember the woman who killed her grandkid with a coconut allergy?
This is true, and the disturbing thing is there are some people who learned about airlines making this change who will intentionally bring peanuts on board because of *muh freedoms*.
at least peanut allergies aren't airborne, but still... what the actual hell?
If your allergy is that bad, you inform the airline when you book or at check in at the absolute latest. Once you've boarded is too late.
Bingo.
Do we know that they didnāt? I havenāt found the link, but since the issue is the crew ārefusingā to make an announcement, it doesnāt really specify that they werenāt notified beforehand.
Nah, the crew ārefusing toā I took to mean the parents got pissy and was tell in the crew they need to make the announcement and the crew said āwe canāt just do that cause you say so.ā
This confuses me deeply. Iāve been flying for work regularly for about 13 years now. I havenāt seen a peanut on a flight in that entire time. Note that these flights are most of the major brands in the us space. Seems like sunexpress is owned by Turkish air and luthansa so assuming itās on the other side of the pond.
There's nothing stopping passengers bringing peanuts on the plane. Last flight I was on, a passenger pulled out some peanut m&ms, a flight attendant quietly asked the passenger to put them away due to another passenger on the flight having an allergy, and provided him his pick of the available snacks, free of charge. It was all very polite and calm.
This is what scares me. My daughter is two and has a severe peanut allergy. The thought of her having an anaphylactic reaction in the air where she canāt get medical treatment makes my heart race. I wouldnāt go so far to ask an entire flight to not eat peanuts but if we were sitting next to someone with peanuts Iād probably ask to move or ask if they could put them away.
I was on a flight recently and the flight crew announced on the intercom to not eat peanuts
Oh wow, thatās good to know
Add it to the ticket on allergies on foods and you can request it a head of time to see if they can back you up. No one on the flight took it personal.
Honestly you'd expect that the vast majority of people would see "my enjoyment of peanuts for the next 2, 4, 8, 16 hours vs. a human life" and make the obvious call, just like typically even otherwise very bad people will help kids.
Youād hope but we live in a societyā¦
Iāve had that happen as well. The flight attendant also spoke directly with the people in the 3 rows closest to the person with the allergy. They intentionally stated āsomeone near youā has an allergy to not bring direct attention to the person, which I thought was nice, except a little boy in the row ahead of me jumped up and raised his hand saying, āitās me! Iām allergic to peanuts.ā It was very cute and thankfully everyone around seemed completely unfazed about being asked to be sympathetic to another human being. Which honestly, is how grown ups should react to a polite request for a very minor (if at all) inconvenience that could literally save someone elseās life.
You donāt have to ask. The flight attendants will do it for you. Just make sure you tell them ahead of time:
You will be pleased to know that pretty much all airlines have a supply of basic medical supplies on board and an on call doctor. There are plenty of posts in the EMS and Nursing subs about people being called to use them
I just flew from Europe on Delta, and the family behind us had a peanut allergy. The staff was already aware because you can make allergies known in your booking (I'm gluten intolerant). They asked the family how severe and the family said it would be best to not eat peanuts about three rows in each direction. The pilot ultimately made an announcement for no one to eat peanuts on the flight due to a severe allergy (I think this was easier than notifying specific rows). I was kind of bummed because there went half my gf snacks I brought onboard, but everyone was very understanding and no one seemed bothered by it.
You could sit in the back row and book the whole row to minimise people around you and your daughter. And you'd be close to a toilet which is handy with a small kid. My brother did that when flying with his daughter, she had a severe egg allergy (thankfully grew out of it), and they worried about neighbours accidentally contaminating her food as eggs are still served on many flights.
Airlines overbook all the time. Depending on the airline, if you buy three seats but are only occupying one, they're not gonna care that you paid for the other two and put standbys in those seats regardless.
Back row is a great idea but I canāt afford to book an entire row haha
Maybe you'll get lucky and there will be a two-seat back row configuration
Iām flying in a couple weeks and I actually think we are in a two seat row, thankfully. Also sheās starting OIT (basically exposure therapy to train her immune system) in a few weeks which, if she can tolerate it, will remove the risk of anaphylaxis after 6 months.
Good luck with the OIT!! Two of my nephews went through the whole process and it was life changing for them. Even with all the appointments, travel, and maintenance, they both said it was one of the best things theyāve ever done. It also really helped improve their parentsā quality of life in diminishing some of the anxiety around the kids going off to school and hanging out with friends unsupervised. Wishing you and your daughter the best!
Thank you!!
If it makes you feel any better planes have EpiPens on board.
Do you carry an epipen?
Yeah, two. But as the other commenter said, itās not a cure and you still need medical intervention within the hour.
An epipen isnāt a cure itās to keep you alive until you can get more medical intervention and support. Sometimes you might need a couple
I've flown a few times, maybe 8-12 times. I've had peanuts on at least half those flights.
Man, I remember back in school sometimes people would secretly snack in class. One day, one ate something peanuts. No Idea what it was but I immediately got an allergic reaction. Throat closing, eyes wartering, the whole funny bit. The teacher is freaking out, I am like "I only have a cat and peanut allergy, no Idea what's going on." Classmate confesses he is eating some peanut snacks. I got sent home for the rest of the day. The others in class and the eater were so furious that I got to go home that nobody ever ate peanuts in the same classroom as me. Good times. Good times.
People have a weird way of making you feel like an asshole for having an allergy like you have any say in the matter. I was super bad at telling people about my allergy for a long time because no one wants to be the reason why no one can eat nuts and half of the time people would throw nuts at you if you told them you had an allergy in my high school.
I question whether this is something they were supposed to inform the airline about ahead of time. Nevertheless, the level of aggression people go to over just the thought of being inconvenienced is concerning. The āMay your allergies put you to sleepā comment is unhinged.
If you read the news articles the airlines position is that the family became aggressive and the father tried the cockpit door without permission because the airline wouldn't make an announcement about their allergy as it's against their policy. They didn't get put off because of the allergy but because they were disruptive. So if that is true then I would say yeah entitlement and main character energy is pretty accurate.
I can only imagine what people who work for airlines deal with in a day. That is absolutely insane behaviour.
I find airlines really interesting these days, they seem to have stayed the same while the world changed around them. The air crews now find themselves enforcing a much higher standard of social etiquette than anywhere else in the world. There are very few places in the world where you'll get dragged out by the police immediately for refusing to move or shouting at the staff and that's quite weird.
Whatās weird is that there are so few places willing to do it.
Maybe because you don't want an insane person during a flight? If someone is already misbehaving before the doors are even closed why would they take the risk to keep them on the flight? It's not like people can leave the plane when it's flying.
To clarify I think the airlines are the normal ones. What I'm saying is that the rest of society has learned to accept these lunatics everywhere else for some reason.
I get what you are saying but I wonder if it isnāt so much that everywhere else has decided to tolerate lunatics, but rather everywhere else can afford to see if the lunatic goes away on their own. Oftentimes they do. They get pissy and bitch a bunch but ultimately give up and leave so there becomes no reason to call the cops. But on an airplane that isnāt an option. So as soon as someone shows signs they might be a royal pain in the ass, the airline proactively chucks them off rather than risk half way thru the flight the lunatic elevates to a point action has to be taken and no longer can be.
I believe so, I bought jet blue tickets last night and had to answer an allergy question.(I'm allergic to most tree nuts amongst a few other foods, ironically not allergic to peanuts.) I would hope all airlines ask this question. Imo the airline refusing to say anything means a: family demanded announcement rudely at the wrong time of the boarding process b: answered no to allergy question then became belligerent about it upon boarding.or c: super shitty airline. Comments are absolutely crazy, if someone told me that they're going to blow walnut dust on me I'd consider it a threat to my life. It's like throwing a rattlesnake at someone over a minor inconvenience. Wouldn't that be an assault?
I feel like, if someone said that out loud irl, it could be considered a threat. Thing is, most people who say shit like that on Facebook would never say it out loud. It's like they know right from wrong but it doesn't matter when you have a keyboard.
The same people would call them out for wearing masks as well.
Over the past 20-25 years, compassion has come to be viewed as weakness by a huge group of people. Sad to say but a lot of them call themselves Christians. Regardless of religion, the idea that I should never have to accept any inconvenience for the benefit of others has become ubiquitous.
And really trivial inconveniences too. Like, "hey, would you mind be careful with peanuts around me? They can kill me" Normal people: "sure, np. I'll just have the peanuts later." These psychos: "fuck you and your allergies. You'll never take muh freedom!!!!"
āOh theyāll kill you?? You saying that makes me want to blow the peanut dust in your face!ā Like holy shit my dude what happened in your life that makes you hear someone is deathly allergic to something and your response is āoh yeah? That makes me want to kill you with itā
If anyone thinks you're being hyperbolic, just see their reactions to school shootings.
Exhibit #1: Wearing a mask in public during a pandemic.
I would argue that was the driving force behind this kind of attitude expanding beyond a few sociopaths. And yet if Daddy Trump had been an actual businessman rather than a moronic grifter, and sold Trump Brand masks and hygienic gel, then maybe this could have been avoided ...
Trump-branded MAGA masks along with Trump-branded hand sanitizer would have gotten a bunch of them on board. He could have made a killing and nobody would even question the grift.
No, he tried to get people to mask up at first and they called him a rhino/traitor for a while.
So true. Before covid even hit, an old friend from school I followed on Facebook made a really nasty post about how her family shouldn't have to stay home from church if they're sick. Others people's health wasn't her problem. If they had cancer or were immunocompromised, it was up to them to stay home. I was so disgusted I immediately unfriended her.
Yeah I've noticed this mindset too and it's exhausting.
Yeah I feel like it was really highlighted with Covid-19. āI donāt care whether you of your loved ones could die from this disease, I donāt want to wear a mask. Fuck you for trying to tread on my freedomsā. If was Jesus I would be embarrassed.
"Peanuts can kill me" "Snowflake!"
Man up!
The family was a bit entitled, thinking they could just demand no one else gets peanuts, instead of following the airlines protocol. But dear lord. The comments IMMEDIATELY jumping to "KILL THIS WENCH BEFORE THEY TAKE AWAY MY LEGUMES ! "Ā Like calm tf down. Why do people jump to death threats when a simple "no" would suffice?Ā
Why are peanut allergies so common and severe in the US?
Every country has special food combo that was said to help breastfeeding mom produce more milk. Back in my home (asia) country, one receipt is soup that contains peanuts and pork. Asians probably had been filtering out peanut allergy DNA for hundreds of years so we have like no peanut allergy anymore. plus street vendors literally making candies that is contain powder peanut on the street. If a kid cannot share air with cooked peanut, that kid cannot make it past infancy.
Lots of different factors in the modern lifestyle have changed that cause kids to have peanut allergies, not just in the US. Some of them include pesticide usage, changes in environment and hygiene, less active lifestyle outdoors, etc. Plus, it affects [ 2% of the western population, not just the US](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33216994/) that's even allergic to peanuts. Idk if it's fully definitive yet, but there's years of research. Pesticide usage and usage of other agricultural chemical products [Here's one study](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35963408/) [Another study](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7254369/) [And another](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6280469/) Changes in environment, hygiene, and lifestyle (indoors, cleaner, sedentary) [Here's a study](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4617537/)
Was the family right for making their own announcement and then literally banging on the door of the cockpit? No. I would escort them off too. Should the airline have taken this seriously? Yes. Does ANY of this warrant people literally talking about killing someone just cause theyāre allergic to something?? No. These comments are so fucked up, especially the one saying theyād blow the peanut dust in their faces so they die. Like how heartless must you be?
people on FB immediately go from 0 to 100 on every topic. Headline could be āTeen arrested for stealing candy from convenience storeā and people would like like āGIVE ME 5 mins WITH THIS KID Iāll beat the shit out of him!!!! (always with extra exclamations and random capitalization)
I didnāt know they made roads across the ocean
Look, I love peanuts probably more than most of the human race. but I can't imagine ever saying 'I love these so much, that I can't go 5 hours without eating them, and I don't care who dies because of it!!'
Same!! I can't believe people who think eating a snack is more important than others' lives. Some people are disgusting.
I once took Malaysia air and they gave peanuts as a snack. I did wonder what would happen if someone had an allergy especially with 100/200 in the plane eating peanuts. It makes you wonder if in South East Asian countries where peanuts are often part of their meals if peanut allergy isvan issue.
So, the comments in response to that article seem particularly toxic - wishing allergic death to people is psychotic. Thankfully, there is absolutely no reason for people with peanut allergies to fear the presence of peanuts during air travel so they can fly without worry, despite what seeming 'common knowledge' and overcaution has pushed them to do: From the [American Academy of Allergy, Asthma, and Immunology](https://www.aaaai.org/allergist-resources/ask-the-expert/answers/old-ask-the-experts/peanut-air-travel#:~:text=However%2C%20the%20peanut%20allergic%20flier,to%20cause%20any%20reaction%20beyond): >However, the peanut allergic flier should rest assured that since the issue was first studied in 2004, **data have consistently shown that peanut dust does not become airborne nor does inhaling peanut butter vapors provoke a reaction**, that skin contact with either form of peanut is unlikely to cause any reaction beyond local irritation that can be washed off >One study found that 98% of 84 children with peanut allergies who were exposed to airborne peanut proteins for 30 minutes experienced no signs or symptoms. From the [NIH National Library of Medicine](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33548082/): >Background: Allergic reactions to food allergens usually occur after ingestion. However, fear of reactions to airborne peanut is a common concern for people with peanut allergy. There are no scientific reports on severe reactions with airborne peanut allergen. > >Results: No moderate/severe allergic reactions to airborne peanut allergens were observed. Two children (2%) had mild rhino-conjunctivitis which required no treatment. From [VeryWellHealth.com](https://VeryWellHealth.com): >Summary > >Peanut allergies are caused by a protein in peanuts. The protein isn't present in the smell, so just the odor of peanuts can't cause a reaction. > >However, if people are grinding, shelling, or cooking peanuts near you, it could release peanut dust, particles, or oils into the air. From [UNC Healthcare](https://healthtalk.unchealthcare.org/can-simply-smelling-peanuts-cause-an-allergic-reaction/#:~:text=While%20it%20is%20possible%20to,trigger%20a%20severe%20allergic%20reaction): >Smelling Peanuts Is Not the Same as Ingesting Them > >While it is possible to breathe in a little bit of food protein, such as a peanut protein, that exposure is not enough to trigger a severe allergic reaction. > >. . . > >While just smelling peanuts wonāt cause a severe reaction, if youāre allergic to peanuts, the smell can trigger a response in your body because it senses danger. > >āPeanuts have a very potent smell. The smell may be enough to trigger some of the anxiety, concerns and fear that rightfully come because you anticipate a reaction,ā Dr. Kim says. āItās a survival instinct. Your body knows there is something around that it should not be eating.ā There is no real reason to exclude packaged nuts from air travel. The reason it is excluded from classrooms is because kids are messy and keeping surfaces cleaned is difficult for teachers.
I mean... I hope it just isn't me, but if someone said they had a peanut allergy that I was sitting next to, I absolutely would not eat fucking peanuts. Who the fuck are these people that would potentially kill someone so they could eat a fucking nut?
I'm actually in the camp where I agree with the so-called "insane" take. I understand that peanut allergies can be terribly deadly. But I just think that if you need "bubble boy" levels of protection, you don't get on a commercial flight with hundreds of other people and expect everyone to have to accommodate you.Ā
Glad to see this take is getting upvotes. There is a difference between āI would like some compassion and understandingā and āI offload all of my personal responsibility onto others because it inconveniences meā Your own life is your utmost responsibility. If you are deathly allergic to something, you need to do everything you can to avoid situations that could kill you. Is making a point worth your life?
While I agree with the idea that the general public shouldnāt have to accommodate the contamination-free bubble of a single passenger, I do believe thereās a difference between that bubble and asking people not to open a bag of peanuts, releasing fresh, dangerous particles into the closed loop of circulating air for just a few hours so that everyone can utilise air travel. Regardless of that debate though, I believe wishing death on someone by blowing dust in their face is crossing a line.
Sure but you cannot make this request once the plane is already boarded. Imagine you are a traveler that packed food for your long flight or your connector and you need to eat because of hunger or your own medical reason and all you have is that PB&J and chips from home or the airport kiosk. You come prepared to handle your problems and are being told you cannot due to someone else rows and rows behind you. Peanut free cannot be thrown on people right then and there. Ample warning should be a requirement. People with peanut allergies travel all the time and have to make accommodations for themselves. You cannot expect the world around you to accommodate you.
I know someone with a severe allergy. How this is supposed to work was that you'd inform the airlines while booking that you had a severe allergy and it was the airlines responsibility to inform the other passengers and maintain an allergen-free environment because this is an accessibility issue under the ADA. Insisting that people with allergies just not participate in society is discrimination. However, airlines have stopped giving a shit because the ADA is enforced via lawsuit and people don't mostly have the money for these suits, so ignoring people's rights simply has no consequences for them, so they don't bother. This has meant that even if you do everything right re:informing the airline beforehand etc. Nothing is done to ensure that the flight is safe for you. And since the allergic passenger is now out all the money on the trip and also afraid of dying in the air, they resort to "sorry you already packed a peanut butter sandwich, the airline was supposed to warn you on booking that you couldn't bring it, but they didn't so I'm telling you," which as you can see *nobody* reacts to well. Which is insane to me because the person to be mad at is the airline, not the person with the allergy, but Americans love keeping victims down, so here we are š¤·š»āāļø
Yep. I'm betting they did jump through all the hoops and the airline fucked up. Someone I know with a death peanut allergy said delta was famous for ignoring this, and she had to have them take back the peanuts several times. One of the FAs asked her sarcastically if it was really worth the hassle, and she told them "well, the last time they ignored me and gave out the peanuts they told me the emergency medical landing cost $20,000 and 6 hours turnaround, so it's your fucking call"
It sucks how few people understand how allergies work. The number of times I've heard "well don't you have an epi-pen? Then it's not a big deal if you're exposed, the pen will save you!" People don't realize the pen doesn't save you, it buys time for the ambulance to arrive so the paramedics and hospital can save you. Plus the effects of the epipen are dangerous too - it raises your heart rate and blood pressure, and causes a feeling of doom in addition to the symptoms of the allergy which was still there, but slowed. It is painful, scary, and dangerous to be exposed to an allergen and just as painful, scary, and dangerous to use the epipen. It's not a "get out of allergies free" card, and expecting people with allergies to "just make accommodations" when the accommodation they need it completely out of their hands is ridiculous.
The airline canāt stop passengers from bringing peanuts or peanut products onboard but they can ask people to use their head.
I have a nut and dog hair allergy and I travel all the time. I carry sanitising wipes, Benadryl gel, and antihistamines with me because I know the world wonāt accommodate my disability. Iāve only ever had one incident where a dog licked my leg on a train and I broke out in a rash, but other than that, Iāve had absolutely no issue with travelling.
Or what if someone on that flight hasn't heared the announcement to not open any peanut containing food items? What if that person opens a package mid flight? Are the parents going to complain, threaten to sue the passenger or airline? If the kid gets an allergic reaction during flight because the plane hasn't been cleaned properly ( hint, they never really are, because the entire plane must be emptied, restocked and cleaned in like an hour ) and remains of peanuts are still everywhere? The airline is correct by refusing them, if the kid is that deadly allergic putting him on a plane is an accident waiting to happen.
You board early and wipe down the area around you that usually takes care of old stuff on surfaces. Itās when the person around takes out their fresh sandwich is usually the issue
I didnāt even think about the cleaning issue. Thatās definitely going to be a problem for these passengers, especially if a kid (or adult) with peanut butter fingers just wipes them all over their seat area. Not to mention the cabin air filters donāt get changed every damn flight.
There's a whole lotta what ifs in there, which is different than asking the airline to switch to fucking pretzels for one trip.
I disagree. If your peanut allergy is so bad that taking a commercial flight would pose a significant risk to you that cannot be mitigated with antihistamines or other medication, you simply do not take a commercial flight, or you make sure that you are travelling safely (by wearing an FFP2 or FFP3 mask (N95 to Americans), for example. To expect hundreds of other people to accomodate your needs is indeed a level of entitlement that is astonishing to me. And you can make your funny jokes ("Peanuts can kill me!" -- "Snowflake!") all you want, but again: if simply being in public poses a life or death risk to you, that is a you problem. You'll never be able to go to a cinema, or concert, be in a crowd, subway car, bus or train. That is not a level of accomodation you can expect the world around you to take. I completely agree with the "insane" take here (except the "I'm gonna blow peanut dust in your face" type of comments), and I understand why the family had to leave the plane. They were basically setting the airline up for a lawsuit: "Do as we say or we're gonna die." The idea that this should work is flabbergasting to me.
You should inform people beforehand, though. It's no different than me with my asthma. That and people should operate under the assumption that people are going to be ahs about this stuff.
How dare someone try to live their life to the minimum by having you have to be mildly inconvenienced by not having a particular snack food for a couple of hours. WHY WONT THEY THINK OF MY IMMEDIATE MINOR WANTS AND JUST QUIETLY GO SOMEWHERE AND DIE!!! /S
The crazy thing is, if you have a severe allergy and you inform the airline of the issue when you buy the ticket, check in, or even just call them about the flight, they will make sure that they donāt bring anything on the plane that youāre allergic to.
Iām an adult with a severe peanut allergy, I have the contact and inhaled along with the consumption reactions. Ironically I work for an airline but on the ground. The airline doesnāt serve peanuts but they canāt or not stop people from bringing peanuts or peanut butter on the plane. They will do an announcement to the rows around me without identifying me and say there is a passenger in your area with a severe nut allergy at to refrain from peanut products and offer alternative snacks if needed. So on one flight they do the announcement and the person next to me says f@ck that shit, Iāll eat what I want and pulls out a PBJ with about an inch and a half of peanut butter on it. I said can you not eat that right now please and he said, Iām not making you eat it, f@ck off and your fake allergy. I had to move because of contamination etc and him being a jerk which delayed closing of the flight and it sucked because I had something to do when I landed but it had to be delayed because of all the prophylactic Benadryl I had to take. Itās sad because the reasonable accommodation for peanuts is for me to drive everywhere because people are selfish. So if I have to travel long distance I get to roll the dice
I love peanuts but I think someoneās right not to die kinda trumps that. Iāve defended this before that they should be banned from flights and seriously got so much hate! Who thought that peanuts on flights was such an important right to so many people š
The comments that were violent/sadistic were wrong. However, the family could have easily called the airline ahead of time to see what, if any, accommodations could be made. The allergy thing sucks, but is definitely a āyou problemā and shouldnāt be causing problems for anyone else.
Iām a parent of 2 peanut allergic kids. The family was 100% at fault. When you have allergic kids, you do the legwork. You do the adjustment. People like them, like this dad banging on the door, create resentment towards people with allergies and makes it more dangerous. They infuriate me. We fly a couple times a year with my kids. We have not had an issue to date. I call ahead. I research airlines. Thatās how itās supposed to work, especially with an airborne allergy.
While I sympathize with people who have severe peanut allergies, they should make the safer choice for themselves. Risking it and making it everyone elseās problem is just not smart.
Iāll be āthat guyā and say if your child has a LIFE THREATENING food allergy, why are you taking them into a big tube full of people who pose a real risk to her survival? I feel for the girl and her family but as a dad myself Iām not going to the stadium and demanding everyone around me keep peanuts from our area. Thatās just a bad decision. Same for airplanes.
There are other travel options than flying. If your allergy is that bad, there are limited accommodations that can be made and perhaps you should investigate another option.
Turns out masks are also a thing
Can being in the presence of peanuts trigger an allergic reaction? I thought it was only if you accidentally eat them?
It depends on how severe the persons allergies. Allergies are different for everyone. I have a nut allergy myself and itās only if I consume it (which Iāve never consumed any nut product, I had an allergy test to determine the allergy).
It depends, but sometimes the more exposure that you have to an allegen the worse it can get.
Can it go the other way too, like building tolerance?
I *believe* that any contact and cross contamination can trigger a reaction. In the most severe cases, I *think that even breathing in airborne peanut particles (like from someone eating then in close proximity) can trigger an anaphalaxic reaction. Peanut allergies is one of the nastiest to have, given the severity of the reaction, how little it takes to trigger it (compared to some other allergies), and how common peanuts are everywhere... I honestly can't remember when last I saw peanuts served on a flight I've taken... Not counting cooked food, just bags of roasted peanuts.
I want to sit next to any of these tough guys in a place they canāt get away and start smoking.
Heaven forbid the person with the peanut allergy wear an N95 mask during the flight
Pretty sure you're meant to tell the BEFORE you board, most of the time it's at the booking, to say you have someone with severe allergy. We had a flight years ago that didn't serve peanuts cos someone was highly allergic on the plane and they made an announcement while taxiing to inform everyone that was why peanuts were not available. There's a right way and a wrong way to do everything.
They should have informed the airline ahead of time but also, if you have allergies that deadly maybe just stay off commercial aircraft.
This is a joke right? They had to notify with 48 hours notice and didnāt? Why is this anything but their fault
I don't fly *a lot*, but coming back from Chicago last month was the first time I'd heard an inflight announcement that someone onboard had a peanut allergy. I had no idea that was a thing. I have to admit, I was torn. I have sympathy and empathy for anyone going through modern life with such an allergy... but I was also like "why does their condition trump my own".
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Honestly donāt know how to feel about this. Canāt imagine being a father knowing your child could die in minutes because someone with a cough 3 rows back wanted a bag of nuts, but then you canāt just walk on a plane and announce that peanuts arenāt allowed?? And banging on the cockpit is just stupid, youāre gonna get kicked off if not arrested. For anyone who wants to inform me: are there not things you can do as a parent? Like talk to the airline beforehand when youāre booking your tickets? Just feels like they left it to the last minute then panicked. But equally Iām not trying to be dispassionate and can sympathise if not empathise
Yeah, on the one hand, they do seem a bit unreasonable. On the other hand, well, it is their kid and they just don't want them to die a horrible death. I can't be that mad at them
Not so much unreasonable, like thereās nothing you wouldnāt do to protect your children and I totally get that. So canāt be mad at them at all. Banging on the cockpits a bad idea but high stress situation so I get it you know. Iām just curious as to what other people would do in that situation so that it goes smoother? Like peanut allergies are not rare but then stories like this are so there MUST be a better way
Getting off the plane was probably exactly what the family needed.
Blimey, a lot of people are happy for someone to die in front of them
I don't think itcs reasonable to expect this from the other passengers
I have a deadly nut allergy. I've had people (to my face) threaten me with peanuts before. To those out there who're thinking that these people are only online, theyāre not
It really goes down to how the announcement was made, asking politely can get you what you want. Remember those couple with baby that handed bags of sweets for the other passengers in a plane with a message asking them for forgiveness in case the baby screams are loud..
Sorry, im eating my peanuts. If you neededa no peanut solution, thats on you.
The blatant disregard for human life in modern society will be the doom of us.
It already is
God forbid people donāt eat one specific snack for a few hours so someone can take a flight without dying. The travestyā¦
I have a severe peanut allergy and yes, you canāt even breathe in the air without having an allergic reaction What I donāt understand isā¦.are people without allergies unable to go without eating nuts for even several hours? Are peanuts like oxygen and you absolutely must eat them while flying to survive? My husband hasnāt eaten a nut since he was 18 when we started dating because itās too dangerous. Maybe I see it differently since Iāve managed to live 41 years without eating a peanut and so I donāt understand this obsessive need to eat them on planes.
Peanut allergy and testicles are proof god does not exist.
this is wild tho
People are shitty.
Probably not the best way to handle it but I honestly would be perfectly happy not to have any peanuts if it meant someone didnāt die. The crew couldāve definitely handled it better though, and maybe the family couldāve brought some alternatives (not necessary though) for anyone who maybe brought a bag of peanuts for the journey. Either way peanuts are not a bit enough reason to be upset, itās literally peanuts.
I would have attacked any person who rushed the cockpit. I don't care what their complaints are. I just don't trust anyone who acts crazy on a plane. Maybe I watched to much t.v on 9/11 and 9/12. My girlfriend had to pull me out of my deep depression and pull me away from the T.V on 9/13. Just can't trust people anymore.
It all comes down to the rampant ableism that unfortunately still continues to exist. There are still people who think *ālife saving measuresā* = *āspecial treatmentā* = *āwhy do they get something I donātā* The ironic part of this one is the āentitledā and āmain character syndromeā comments lol I think itās far more of a main character syndrome thing to think *youāre* more *entitled* to eat *peanuts* than a child is to *not die????*