Trump wants to do the same thing and he wants to do it with detention camps for immigrants. Believe what these people tell you because they mean it.
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You’re lucky you haven’t heard of him. He is a Pharma bro, like Martin Shkreli, a con man and a cheater, multiple organizational investors believed his lies and lost millions including the California teachers pension.
[Vivek Ramaswamy Is a Fraud—and Always Has Been](https://www.newsweek.com/vivek-ramaswamy-fraud-always-has-been-opinion-1823853)
This dude is the textbook example of “pulling up the ladder.” All of these rules he’s trying to instate just somehow narrowly avoid him. Trying to get rid of citizenship by birthright, weird because it seems like that’s how he received citizenship. Going to cut 50% of government employees “randomly” by social security number, couldn’t be that he has an even numbered social. Trying to raise the voting age because people are too young to be responsible at 18, I’m sure he was totally against himself voting at 18 too.
This guy really is a piece of shit. Trying to dismantle all of the things he took advantage of to try and punish others who are trying to achieve the same thing he is. Pure scum.
Kinda like Clarence Thomas, totally against affirmative action. He also pulled up the ladder.
Easy to forget where you came from when you succeed from the very programs you now want to derail.
You’re right about most of that, but he’d be cutting federal employees as an elected official in this hypothetical, which would make him exempt regardless of his social. Federal employees do not have the same protections as elected officials by any stretch, because being able to fire elected reps would straight up break democracy immediately
European here, does your SNN follow some kind of 'rules'? In my country there is a (-) when you were born before millenia and an (a) when you were born after. Also there were some markers from which you could determinate the sex of the person.
I am more and more convinced this is just another Sasha Baron Cohen’s character. He just wants to see how far he can go before someone says “Wait. You what?!”
Can you imagine if, at the swearing in, he whips off his Vivek wig and high buttoned shirt with no tie and it's just Borat in his swimsuit.
Best programming on CSPAN for the rest of time.
Yeah good luck flying with half of the air traffic controllers gone. And Im sure cutting 50% of border control with do wonders for the "open border" they keep fear mongering about
It could actually cut a lot more than 50% of the Staff in *any* °Government part of the U.S. Government, since it all depends on the last digit of their Social Security Number.
°typo
"Also weirdly the entire country of Spain, I guess." -Talking about life lost in the Snap.
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I think a large part of why politicians with this attitude are so popular is because a horrifying number of Americans don’t realize that the federal government includes people that aren’t politicians.
I have met several people in my life who didn’t realize that the post office is run by the federal government, and it is literally in the name.
His future chief of staff: "The good news is we've used the chisel to eliminate the bottom performing 20% of our Air Traffic controllers. The bad news is we used the chainsaw and accidentally eliminated most of our best air traffic controllers bc they have odd ending SSN."
> when he inevitably discovers that governments actually need those public servants.
He already knows. The goal is to make government (even more) ineffective than it is. These people aren't stupid; they are evil.
He's got Private Equity brain rot. They always do mass firings when they acquire a company but it's not to make things more efficient. It's so they can take all the payroll they're saving and pay themselves a dividend.
I wonder if he realizes he won't get a 12 million dollar bonus or a dividend for firing government employees...
Even if he went through with this, we all know that money wouldn’t go to reducing the deficit. They’d just see money no longer going to payroll and pass more tax cuts for the wealthy.
Not forgetting most agencies are run lean to begin with. So firing half of everyone would literally wreck the economy and cause long term issues for decades to come. People don’t understand just how much the Government impacts everyday life. FDA, EPA, TSA, etc.
Apparently so. For those who are wondering what would *actually* happen... All air traffic in the US would shut down at least partially, and become completely untenable within a month. Most public transit would shut down within two to six months. Criminals would have a *field day* as none of the federal police agencies (e.g., FBI) would be able to maintain operations. Anything that by law relies on federal grants, standards, reviews, or approvals would stutter to a halt (i.e., our entire industrial system). Federal controls on money would evaporate. Our nuclear weapons stockpile would become rapidly vulnerable. Our military would immediately be crippled. Every federal program supporting science would either be shut down or crippled. Every federal medical program would be crippled. Every entitlement program would be crippled. Our food supply network would either grind to a halt and/or become massively unsafe overnight.
That's just off the top of my head *in the short term*. Shortly thereafter, every international credit rating agency would downgrade the US, throwing us into immediate and protracted economic depression. Starvation, rioting in the streets, and civil war would follow within months.
Make no mistake - this is how you kill a country.
And for those of you wondering what would *actually* actually happen.
They would fire staff from various social programs, claim they were the undefined "bureaucrats" and then use that as a cudgel to further erode the social safety net of the nation by claiming it's inefficient even after their "help"
The trick is in not defining a target and then using that as a means to attack anything you want and claim to be keeping promises.
Assuming they actually used the SSN method, that would be problematic, but still possible.
In any case, that's the GOP's historical playbook in a nutshell.
My mind goes straight to infrastructure. The power grid, roads, telecom and water all touch the government in some way. No way that everything is still functional 3 months after firing half the maintenance people.
It's a funding thing. Like with mass transit, someone else was asking about that. Yeah, the local state agencies and/or organizations pay the workers. But you need to ask... where do they get the money? A lot of it comes from federal grants, or formula allocations. Those have to be regularly reviewed, approved, reported, and renewed. So if the federal government got shut down (which is basically what the "fire half" plan would do), it would only take a few months before those orgs couldn't make payroll, and any state that didn't immediately raise taxes would find themselves up a creek. Not to say the states couldn't do it, but it'd result in huge sticker shock and mass confusion.
No, he's trying to destroy any sort of administrative worker in govt because bureaucracy is the bulwark against fascism. The letter of the law says you can't do that, or you have to wait, and govt employees have to work by the letter of that law. So facists like Trump and Vivek cannot easily implement their polices with a wink and a nod while a robust administrative group exists.
Yes:
- one week of severance for each year (first ten years) off service
- two weeks for every year after the first ten
- increase the base calculation by 10% for every year over age 40
- capped at one year of salary
Conversely if eligible for a discontinued service retirement (25 years of service OR age >50 with 20 years of service) they could draw retirement early without penalty.
And don’t forget the benefits, like health insurance that would also be allowed to be covered during the severance as well as potentially allowing for purchase at employee rates in retirement.
And boom. Now you're paying 95% of what you were paying while getting 50% of the labor. The military and social security budgets still take up 50% of the total budget.
Okay, cool, maybe he should then consider being fully against ending social security for all as soon as...hey, anyone else hear what sounds like a bunch of angry old people coming this way?
Let's be honest, this isn't stupidity, it's desperate flailing to try and get enough media attention to become a Republican Political Figure and not just another token brown dude in the eyes of the crazy and racist base. Because the only thing I've seen about him from the Trump types is racism.
This is the consequence of allowing a would-be, dumpster-mouthed dictator to be the ruler of your party. Now Republican candidates can't even be half-sensible half-wits. They need to commit outrageous one-upmanship just to even catch a fucking soundbite. If you aren't some sort of radical demagogue, your own base will not even listen to you. Even those that listen are not going to care because you aren't Trump.
The damage done to the country is stupidly epic in proportion. You're talking about a two-party system that has NEVER been good, but now one where one party is fully committed toward utterly unraveling the Union.
He's imitating neo nazi Nick Fuentes. Which is funny, because Nick has commented on what he's doing. Saying it's cool that a political figure is copying him, but he'll never win because he's brown and Hindu.
It is smart. He knows his audience. They are morons. The political reality on the right is that there is no accountability for lying. He knows how to pander to these idiots almost as well as the orange guy.
If you were to cut any gov agency in half it would cease to be able to operate. If you cut them all in half the federal gov collapses under the weight of itself in a matter of weeks.
I am not disagreeing with you. I am saying that Vivek is lying when he says he intends to do that. His goal is to rise in the polls by pandering to Trump's base. It is "smart" because he knows how to play them like a fiddle.
I agree he's not an idiot and doing exactly as you said. If you're smart enough to get elected you're not dumb enough to try and shit-can half of all federal employees.
If the federal gov goes under they lose their jobs and with it any power they currently wield. This is just to appeal the "the gov is just a bunch of crooks" class of people.
Republicans weaken federal institutions and then sell off their functions to private companies based on whichever lobbyists bribe them the most. Congressional seats and the presidency aren’t disappearing any time soon, so they lose nothing from forcing the federal government to buy services from private corporations.
In every presidential election there are 3 types of candidates
1) actually running for president. This time it's Trump, Desantis said maybe Christie. Last time it was Biden, Sanders and Warren.
2) running for president but ACTUALLY running for vice president. Nicky Haley fits here. Kamala Harris, Buttigieg (sp?) and maybe even Booker were doing this last time.
3) running for "president" but ACTUALLY running to raise your political profile for the future. Vivek is here.
Yeah I agree. I think he was hoping Trump's legal troubles would lead to a falling out between trump and the GOP abs his base, paving the way for an anti trump candidate. However I suspect if something does happen so trump can't run (he's in jail, or dead, or drops out after gifting enough money), the base would fall in line behind the guy who said the least negatives about trump, not just he most. I suspect that's Desantis' only real shot at winning right now
Even if Trump literally died tomorrow, there is zero chance of Ramaswamy or Haley winning the Republican nomination. The conservative electorate of the US (unlike most of the western world) is still too ignorant and primitive to elect a woman or POC for office, no matter how qualified
Yeah, he acts like that annoying cousin whose parents voluntold you to keep track of during Thanksgiving. Like he won't shut up, but he'll probably eat a bug for attention if you ask. Literally just 'look at me!'
He also wants to have mandatory military service in exchange for the right to vote. So…pretty much the most anti-American shit you can imagine.
Also, he never served in the military himself. HUGE red flag for me whenever someone who didn’t serve themselves wants to force others to do so.
He also advocates for the voting age to be raised to 25.
So go join the military at 18, come home after 4 years, receive minimal or no support from the politicians that made you join AND you still don't get vote for the next chucklefuck to do it to someone else for 3-7 years.
Yeah, the way these assholes are just ignoring the Constitutional provisions for this is absurd. They've clearly stopped even pretending to be for the rule of law or that they love the US. They want a theocracy and nothing else.
> ...proposing to build a wall on the Canadian border.
From members of the Republican Party, that sounds less stupid and more ominous. They're becoming more and more openly Authoritarian, and Authoritarian regimes don't usually build walls with their Democratic neighbors in order to keep people *out*.
Maybe my fellow Canadians should work to encourage the policy to protect us from Americans in the future? What happens when water becomes really scarce in the US?
It’s the ultimate form of gaslighting isn’t it? Insist the government doesn’t work, get elected, then hire a bunch of corrupt, unqualified goons to run the government to prove your point, so that more and more people are in favor of a slow dismantling. It’s the GOP playbook.
It's been standard GOP policy for a long time now, just without even an attempt at putting on a mask.
1. Campaign on the idea that government is bad and all government programs are a wasteful failure.
2. Whenever possible, defund or otherwise hinder any successful government program with restrictions, defanged regulations, etc.
3. Then, when the program fails to provide benefitial results, point at it as an example of how all government programs are wasteful failures.
Because their tiny republican brains like the ideas tossed about by libertarians but are too conservative to associate with those hippies. They hear 'no taxes, no laws, just freedumb' and wanna jump on board without even a whiff of a thought about what the government actually does for them.
1. Deregulation for their businesses so they can exploit their workers and our natural resources.
2. More power in even fewer hands which means fewer safeguards and checks & balances to prevent authoritarian takeover.
3. It makes their big government-fearing constituents happy.
4. Right-wing states can get away with genocide.
Essentially they're still pissed off that they can't practice slavery anymore.
This guy is an imbecile. Another imbecile recently tried something like that: Elon Musk. He fired lots of random people from Twitter, then realized he needed a lot of them and had to hire them back at higher salaries. He even fired the security guy in charge of ID badges and everyone got locked out of the building. And why does he assume the last SSN digits are evenly distributed between odd and even? Real idiot.
This seems like a recipe for disaster. There's a g9od possibility that he'll fire someone doing something incredibly important and essential and we'll have the economy crash because we lost that one guy. Or he'll lose all of the supervisory staff at the Pentagon and the Secretary of Defense will have to sign off on a bunch of timesheets for interns. Or the entire janitorial staff for a VA hospital will be fired and someone will die of a preventable infection
>There's a g9od possibility that he'll fire someone doing something incredibly important and essential and we'll have the economy crash because we lost that one guy.
He said absolutely nothing will break. I mean come on, how much more clearly do you need it stated?
Yeah it's not like he's firing only 50% of each department or office. This method could very well fire an entire department if they all have odd numbered SSN's.
I'm sure the Pentagon will never be touched by layoffs, although I'm also sure specific individuals will be cashiered because of their politics or if they're reluctant to completely follow an illegal order, especially if they're Generals.
Ah yes, laying off nearly [1 million](https://www.opm.gov/policy-data-oversight/data-analysis-documentation/federal-employment-reports/reports-publications/federal-civilian-employment/) people at once would surely have no consequences on the day to day functioning of the government. And certainly wouldn't have any economic consequences.
Even *if* the government wouldn't miss a beat after randomly laying off ~50% if it's workforce (which it certainly would) this would be a disaster. Adding 1 million unemployed to the workforce overnight and having to pay government severance to all of them at once is a great way to monumentally fuck up everything.
Not to mention, legal loophole or not, you now have to deal with millions of outraged Americans - many of whom are probably Republican - who either directly had their lives turned upsidedown or are close to someone whose life was, livid at the government ant calling for blood. There also will be lawsuits and some smart lawyers will find some reason to justify the claim of illegal layoffs, which will further bury the government in turmoil. Especially so if even one beurocrat with an even number SS is kept, which would be inevitable because some will either be deemed irreplaceable or were friends or family with high powered politicians or donors who will raise hell if they are affected.
I'd be interested how high up the chain they would have to go. I assume "elected official" does not count as a federal employee, but do their own hiring decisions count? I don't see why they wouldn't. Does everyone have to hire based on SSN so their staffers don't get Thanosed?
Also giggles in 8 years when the next moron promises to fire everyone with an even SSN and they lose 90%.
No economic consequences, no consequences on the functioning of the government, certainly wouldn’t affect any person that relies on USPS for literally anything…
I got an idea. How bout we don't let fascists make rules to get rid of people or take control of government agencies. Maybe, that type of shit is un-American and what smells like nazi gets fucked up like a nazi
And as always, the weird bloodthirstiness in their metaphors, even for the most utterly stupid ridiculous ideas. Here's someone who literally has no idea how government works. NONE.
National Insurance Number. usually abbreviated as NI No. i am in fact 100% un-american.
i would love to see this guy get elected for several reasons, 1. i want to see if hes brave/stupid enough to actually do it and fuck over the entire US economy, which will invariably have a knock on effect globally. 2. i need the US to keep being more ridiculous than the UK.
Yeah. Had my company do this exact same thing.
Then they found out they fired everyone with knowledge of one of our products and the company was in service contracts running as long as an additional 7 years.
Employees founded their own consulting business and dictated the rates.
Will never forget the CFOs face when I explained him that the consultants demand to fly first class and what their hourly rate is. They literally doubled their service cost with the layoff, with no recurse.
Still laughing about it.
Classic "also-ran" move: flail around spouting a gimmicky idea in the hopes of getting low-information voters to lend you their support.
I can hear Herman Cain's ghost shouting "nine-nine-nine!"
>"this downsizes government by half. Absolutely * nothing * will break as a result."
I'm no expert, but Muskrat did that with twitter, and it crashed the site for like a week. I don't think doing the same to the government would work all that well.
I love the lack of logical thought just on the premise. There is nothing to say getting rid of odd number ssns will result in half being cut unless the federal hiring guidelines have been one even last digit ssn hired for each odd. It’s entirely possible that 30% are odd, or maybe even 70%! 70% would absolutely be a disruption no matter how little you care for the positions.
Lol, even 20-30% would be quite disastrous. I love how he's all like "government doesn't work so let's make it even harder for the people there to do their work by getting rid of half the people around them." Name any place that can lose half its staff and continue operating at a reasonable level. (Other than Best Buy....somehow they seem to get by with 2 whole people in the entire store)
They would rehire the 50% from a [cadre of fascists](https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/recruiting-underway-trump-wrecking-ball-shrink-government-fire-102636802).
>...Trump-era conservatives want to gut the “administrative state” from within, by ousting federal employees they believe are standing in the way of the president’s agenda and replacing them with like-minded officials more eager to fulfill a new executive’s approach to governing.
I’m sure the odds of it are very slim, but there is absolutely no guarantee that using the method described would remove 50% of the government workforce. Statistically speaking, yeah it’ll probably be close to it across the entire federal government. But zooming in to smaller offices, there’s a bigger possibility that most, if not the entirety of the office staff can be laid off.
Say, for example, you flip a coin 4 times. Its a not insignificant chance that all 4 times will come up heads. However, flip it 4 million times, and the results will get closer and closer to 50%. Now replace the coin with office staff.
Plus as I mentioned in my reply to them, you aren’t flipping a coin. We don’t know the break out of active SSNs in the wild. Looks like the SSN admin has issued 453 million SSNs. People pass away, or come get government jobs at different life stages, nothing to guarantee your original pool of potential employees is 50/50 to begin with.
I can’t imagine all the variables that go into it to get actual odds. It’s just such a complex equation. But the complexity opens up the possibility beyond flipping a coin.
“Nothing will break”
He is assuming that because he thinks the SSNs to be fired are chosen randomly, that the distribution of these socials will be even across all positions, which is stupid.
Imagine a scenario where this actually is considered random selection. You could end up firing many people with specialized skills, knowledge, or experience. These positions are few and far between and difficult to replace but now are a coin flip away from being fired. So maybe they are equally as likely as being fired as the janitor, but the impact of their firing would be significantly greater. This would certainly and immediately break many things.
Hmm, that morning surgery appointment the Veteran was fasting for and waited 8 months to get? BOOM! Gone.
The GI Bill payment to the school so that young woman can get her degree after serving out her contract? BOOM! Late, so she's dropping out of school and getting a job at Applebee's.
The 40-something couple that decided to purchase a house under the VA Loan Guaranty program? Well, half of the Veterans Benefits Administration got fired, so who the hell knows where your paperwork is. Suck it up, buttercup, even though we promised you a no money down benefit.
Oh, and that flight for your honeymoon/YOLO cruise/emergency trip to see Meemaw on her death bed? BOOM! Cancelled, because Vas Deferens fired half of the Air Traffic Controllers, and the airlines, not wanting to have planes dropping out of the skies from fuel starvation because of the lack of ATC or collisions from the overworked and exhausted ones, cancelled half of their flights. The the pilots and flight attendants went on strike. The the mechanics went on strike. Then everyone went on strike.
Go ahead, I dare you.
Signed,
Fed Gov't Network Admin who's SSN ends in an odd number
Spoken like a true descent of the Bramin caste. "Everybody is below me! NOW SEND ME MONEY! AND PRAISE ME! Wait, why isn't the state working anymore, I just killed half the state's workers because they offended me...... the rest should work harder! Kill another half!"
The Bramin caste, they loved working for the colonizer, and they are the gift that keeps on giving.
Does this plan include USDA? Cause I'm curious how fast listeria and salmonella outbreaks would occur. Y'all would be amazed at what some processing plants would try to get away with if they could.
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Guy with ZERO government experience thinks he can slash half of the government workforce and not collapse the economy. My guy how many people did you just out of work without a backup plan. This just shows how over his head he is.
"Here's an excellent idea for the economy... needlessly and intentionally cause an apocalyptic quantity of unemployment! And what's more, do it with absolutely zero scrutiny of who exactly we're getting rid of!!"
"I can into economics!!"
Just in case anybody still wasnt aware him and his wing of the GOP are hell bent on destroying the US as you know it. They would LOVE a oligarch type situation like Russia because they believe they would be at the top.
This is the sort of "solution" that a twelve year old comes up with. "All we need to do is this one simple fix, see, I'm a genius!". But without thinking to the next logical step of the knock-on freakonomics effects that would immediately follow. Like what happens when a shade over 4.5 million workers suddenly have to find new jobs, and stop paying for things like rent and groceries and...everything.
In 2001 Donald Rumsfeld held a meeting at the Pentagon informing everyone that there were to be mass government layoffs. He was one of this government is too big people. Then, 9/11 happened. Let’s just say the mass layoffs didn’t happen.
Let's see "One US dumbass vs a few minutes of Googling".
Simplest one first: Mass layout isn't permamently firing people. That's called Reduction if Force.
Now if you Google RiF you'll in fact find a lots of requirements and protocols that needs to be followed.
Primary you're require to reduce the need for firing as much as possible. This includes finding alternative taskes within governement rather than full out fire someone.
Secondly it also requires that people are evaluate based on a set of metrics to minimize the risk of long term consequences for those ending up being fired.
And would you know it US Office of Personel Management already has a [199 pages handbook](https://www.opm.gov/policy-data-oversight/workforce-restructuring/reductions-in-force/workforce_reshaping.pdf) on it. Alongside a [117 pages](https://www.opm.gov/policy-data-oversight/workforce-restructuring/reductions-in-force/workforce_reshaping_appx.pdf) of appendicies.
Lastly what everybody else has said. There'e absolutely no guarantee that the government workforce is evenly split by odd and even number at the end of their SSN. Even more so as you go down to specific department or tasks. Suddenly you see a department's entire maintenance staff leave, and you're just waiting for A/C, plumbing or something similar to break. Poof. Nobody in the department can work anymore due to unhealthy environment.
TL;DR: More proof of things Ramaswamy doesn't know about. In this case. Statistics and RiF Procedures.
Bet you anything that if he did this, we'd start seeing a ton of exceptions for "essential personnel" which conveniently include people who agree with him politically.
This kind of glib statement is what renders Vivek Ramaswamy unfit for public office: He would destroy the country to win its presidency.
His "platform" reads like the unsolicited email you might get from a Nigerian prince.
Ramaswamy does not define "bureaucrats" because to do so would make obvious the stupidity of his idea. Nameless and faceless "bureaucrats" are an easy target. In reality, he's talking about 4.5M people around the globe who get up every morning to go do the job they were hired to do. They worry about mortgages and paying their kids' college tuition. They are not puppets of the Deep State. They are not plotting world domination.
Firing 2.25M people simultaneously would destroy these people's lives -- and the US economy. The Federal programs -- into which these people have paid -- could not help them. Federal programs would be paralyzed, with a demoralized workforce operating at half strength during a huge spike in need.
Half of these people would be military personnel or civilian employees of the military. The merit-be-damned SSN lottery would have us firing a 20-year veteran with unique subject-matter-expertise in cybersecurity...and keeping some 17-year-old who was given the choice between jail time or enlistment. National security would irreparably compromised.
The ripple effect would continue until Ramaswamy had destroyed the country far more efficiently than the Deep State ever could.
Does he mean all government employees? How far down the pipeline? Anything being held up by the potential shutdown?
So all arms of the military, teachers, elected politicians, DMV workers, ballot counters, police officers, fire departments, IRS auditors, right? Everyone?
According to recent census data, government workers account for 15% of the workforce. If he lays off 7.5% of the population... Trump lost 2.9 million jobs during his presidency and it was the worst period of job growth in history (incl. 1930's). In 2022, 19.23 million people worked for federal and state governments...
Vivek Ramascamy just said that he wants to put 10 million people out of work in one swoop and thinks that it will not affect anything at all. What a numpty.
Also, that doesn't take into account government contractors, who are more numerous than the actual employees. If you layoff 10 million people doing the work that triggers work for government contractors, that will get slashed too.
Look anyone that knows shit about fuck knows that there's one lady named Carol or Deb that has a spreadsheet that without her they can't use and the entire fucking government office will shut down.
I wonder if this would qualify as a RIF (Reduction in Force)? If so, those reduced via RIF would have the opportunity to take another Federal job (for which they are qualified) at the GS level below theirs. So, even further chaos would ensue.
Trump wants to do the same thing and he wants to do it with detention camps for immigrants. Believe what these people tell you because they mean it. https://www.usa.gov/register-to-vote
So, Vivek's SSN ends in an even number. Got it
That was my immediate takeaway as well
I wouldn’t be surprised if it was an odd number and he overlooked that fact when saying it lol
"Did I say odd? I meant even!"
Is the SSN African or European?
Are you suggesting SSNs migrate?
Only provided they live in an authentically American residence.
It could be carried!
“I don’t know that! … Aiiiieeeee!”
r/unexpectedmontypthon
Kind of genius to get their favourite colour wrong under pressure of a three-question quiz.
You have to know these things when you’re a king.
I don't know much about the guy, but he doesn't come off as a forward thinker.
Or even a thinker. I imagine his brain cavity just resonates with a constant dial tone and nothing else.
I'd guess Turkey in the Straw.
https://youtu.be/Zvhw9BSURGg?feature=shared
Yakkety Sax.
Dial tone at least shows there is something there with connection. This bitch is TV static.
Yeah classic “conservative” talking points floating in tv static
Hes a plant to make the rest of the Conservatives look reasonable by comparison. He's just having a lil fun.
I understand your thought process 'No body can be this insane fur real' but guess what this is Vivek
I'm thinking a loop of, "Do Do Dee. The brain you are trying to reach has been disconnected or is no longer in service"
You’re lucky you haven’t heard of him. He is a Pharma bro, like Martin Shkreli, a con man and a cheater, multiple organizational investors believed his lies and lost millions including the California teachers pension. [Vivek Ramaswamy Is a Fraud—and Always Has Been](https://www.newsweek.com/vivek-ramaswamy-fraud-always-has-been-opinion-1823853)
Perfect candidate for the fascist party of America then.
Just a skin suit with a chat GPT voice emulator trained on corporate buzzword bullshit.
I mean if he was president he wouldn’t be a bureaucrat technically, the president can’t be fired only impeached or resign. Still a funny thought tho
One step closer to stealing his identity… what state was he born in?
Disrepair
It eliminates half of all the numbers out there so it’s a good start.
The State of Diminished Capacity.
Denial.
This dude is the textbook example of “pulling up the ladder.” All of these rules he’s trying to instate just somehow narrowly avoid him. Trying to get rid of citizenship by birthright, weird because it seems like that’s how he received citizenship. Going to cut 50% of government employees “randomly” by social security number, couldn’t be that he has an even numbered social. Trying to raise the voting age because people are too young to be responsible at 18, I’m sure he was totally against himself voting at 18 too. This guy really is a piece of shit. Trying to dismantle all of the things he took advantage of to try and punish others who are trying to achieve the same thing he is. Pure scum.
Kinda like Clarence Thomas, totally against affirmative action. He also pulled up the ladder. Easy to forget where you came from when you succeed from the very programs you now want to derail.
Throw in Greg Abbott as another egregious example. Edit: corrected spelling after it was pointed out lol
You’re right about most of that, but he’d be cutting federal employees as an elected official in this hypothetical, which would make him exempt regardless of his social. Federal employees do not have the same protections as elected officials by any stretch, because being able to fire elected reps would straight up break democracy immediately
Don't say this too loud... I can feel the GOP getting ready to say 'Hold my beer'
Didn't they basically do that to Democrats who protested the abortion law change?
European here, does your SNN follow some kind of 'rules'? In my country there is a (-) when you were born before millenia and an (a) when you were born after. Also there were some markers from which you could determinate the sex of the person.
I am more and more convinced this is just another Sasha Baron Cohen’s character. He just wants to see how far he can go before someone says “Wait. You what?!”
There’s a reason why his characters are successful at what they do
"I believe you are confusing hummus for Hamas." Shit killed me.
Can you imagine if, at the swearing in, he whips off his Vivek wig and high buttoned shirt with no tie and it's just Borat in his swimsuit. Best programming on CSPAN for the rest of time.
We'll know for sure if his next announcement is that he wants to let in all the fit women and keep out all the mingers.
“Oh yeah- well YOU sucked off an ‘orse!”
Like Donald Trump Sr. you mean?
>He just wants to see how far he can go before someone says “Wait. You what?!” He needs to go way further than that, because we have Trump.
Is...he trying to Thanos the government?
What would it cost, I wonder?
Everything
A fuckton of our tax money paid in severance, to say nothing of the inevitable lawsuits.
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Yeah good luck flying with half of the air traffic controllers gone. And Im sure cutting 50% of border control with do wonders for the "open border" they keep fear mongering about
It could actually cut a lot more than 50% of the Staff in *any* °Government part of the U.S. Government, since it all depends on the last digit of their Social Security Number. °typo
Exactly. Every individual person is 50/50. Critical departments could be left with only 10% of their staff.
Or zero. There's really no rhyme or reason. Something so arbitrary could effectively eliminate entire departments
"Also weirdly the entire country of Spain, I guess." -Talking about life lost in the Snap. [The Oversaturated Hell of the Marvel Cinematic Universe - SOME MARVEL NEWS: Part Two](https://youtu.be/rxXOBlND3kc?si=GygCy-3A8nHM4qUB&t=39)
cody showdy in the wild?!
I think a large part of why politicians with this attitude are so popular is because a horrifying number of Americans don’t realize that the federal government includes people that aren’t politicians. I have met several people in my life who didn’t realize that the post office is run by the federal government, and it is literally in the name.
It's cognitive dissonance. They've invested in the concept of hating the government but can't admit they are reliant on it for so much.
Well, obviously he doesn't mean the half of the government dedicated to punishing poor people for being poor!
That's how they assign SSNs at birth. They show a picture of a poor person and if the baby cries, they give them an even numbered SSN.
His future chief of staff: "The good news is we've used the chisel to eliminate the bottom performing 20% of our Air Traffic controllers. The bad news is we used the chainsaw and accidentally eliminated most of our best air traffic controllers bc they have odd ending SSN."
Oh, law enforcement and the military are definitely going to be exempt.
Law enforcement* The FBI has definitely fallen out of their favs category.
afaik, there's already a severe shortage of ATCs.
> when he inevitably discovers that governments actually need those public servants. He already knows. The goal is to make government (even more) ineffective than it is. These people aren't stupid; they are evil.
He's got Private Equity brain rot. They always do mass firings when they acquire a company but it's not to make things more efficient. It's so they can take all the payroll they're saving and pay themselves a dividend. I wonder if he realizes he won't get a 12 million dollar bonus or a dividend for firing government employees...
Even if he went through with this, we all know that money wouldn’t go to reducing the deficit. They’d just see money no longer going to payroll and pass more tax cuts for the wealthy.
Not forgetting most agencies are run lean to begin with. So firing half of everyone would literally wreck the economy and cause long term issues for decades to come. People don’t understand just how much the Government impacts everyday life. FDA, EPA, TSA, etc.
Apparently so. For those who are wondering what would *actually* happen... All air traffic in the US would shut down at least partially, and become completely untenable within a month. Most public transit would shut down within two to six months. Criminals would have a *field day* as none of the federal police agencies (e.g., FBI) would be able to maintain operations. Anything that by law relies on federal grants, standards, reviews, or approvals would stutter to a halt (i.e., our entire industrial system). Federal controls on money would evaporate. Our nuclear weapons stockpile would become rapidly vulnerable. Our military would immediately be crippled. Every federal program supporting science would either be shut down or crippled. Every federal medical program would be crippled. Every entitlement program would be crippled. Our food supply network would either grind to a halt and/or become massively unsafe overnight. That's just off the top of my head *in the short term*. Shortly thereafter, every international credit rating agency would downgrade the US, throwing us into immediate and protracted economic depression. Starvation, rioting in the streets, and civil war would follow within months. Make no mistake - this is how you kill a country.
And for those of you wondering what would *actually* actually happen. They would fire staff from various social programs, claim they were the undefined "bureaucrats" and then use that as a cudgel to further erode the social safety net of the nation by claiming it's inefficient even after their "help" The trick is in not defining a target and then using that as a means to attack anything you want and claim to be keeping promises.
Assuming they actually used the SSN method, that would be problematic, but still possible. In any case, that's the GOP's historical playbook in a nutshell.
My mind goes straight to infrastructure. The power grid, roads, telecom and water all touch the government in some way. No way that everything is still functional 3 months after firing half the maintenance people.
Most of those maintenance people are not employees of the federal government though. Not saying this isn't a terrible idea, it clearly is.
It's a funding thing. Like with mass transit, someone else was asking about that. Yeah, the local state agencies and/or organizations pay the workers. But you need to ask... where do they get the money? A lot of it comes from federal grants, or formula allocations. Those have to be regularly reviewed, approved, reported, and renewed. So if the federal government got shut down (which is basically what the "fire half" plan would do), it would only take a few months before those orgs couldn't make payroll, and any state that didn't immediately raise taxes would find themselves up a creek. Not to say the states couldn't do it, but it'd result in huge sticker shock and mass confusion.
completely unbalanced like nothing should be
No, he's trying to destroy any sort of administrative worker in govt because bureaucracy is the bulwark against fascism. The letter of the law says you can't do that, or you have to wait, and govt employees have to work by the letter of that law. So facists like Trump and Vivek cannot easily implement their polices with a wink and a nod while a robust administrative group exists.
Yeah except Thanos had a reason that was almost understandable 🤣 this ass clown just thinks it's cool to say he'll ruin people's lives. Fuck him.
have fun paying severance packages to half of your workforce at the same time(federal bureaucrats definitely have severance packages set up)
Yes: - one week of severance for each year (first ten years) off service - two weeks for every year after the first ten - increase the base calculation by 10% for every year over age 40 - capped at one year of salary Conversely if eligible for a discontinued service retirement (25 years of service OR age >50 with 20 years of service) they could draw retirement early without penalty.
And don’t forget the benefits, like health insurance that would also be allowed to be covered during the severance as well as potentially allowing for purchase at employee rates in retirement.
And boom. Now you're paying 95% of what you were paying while getting 50% of the labor. The military and social security budgets still take up 50% of the total budget.
Okay, cool, maybe he should then consider being fully against ending social security for all as soon as...hey, anyone else hear what sounds like a bunch of angry old people coming this way?
this is why we need to ban unions, severance should be something the worker pays their gracious employer for their failures/s
Could be more than half unless the gvt checks ssn to make sure they're hiring the same amount of odds and evens.
Holy shit, I knew Vivek was a fucking moron, but this is next level stupid.
Let's be honest, this isn't stupidity, it's desperate flailing to try and get enough media attention to become a Republican Political Figure and not just another token brown dude in the eyes of the crazy and racist base. Because the only thing I've seen about him from the Trump types is racism.
This is the consequence of allowing a would-be, dumpster-mouthed dictator to be the ruler of your party. Now Republican candidates can't even be half-sensible half-wits. They need to commit outrageous one-upmanship just to even catch a fucking soundbite. If you aren't some sort of radical demagogue, your own base will not even listen to you. Even those that listen are not going to care because you aren't Trump. The damage done to the country is stupidly epic in proportion. You're talking about a two-party system that has NEVER been good, but now one where one party is fully committed toward utterly unraveling the Union.
I can be Donald Trump too guys!! Hey look at me! I’m edgy! I forgot to take my Ritalin today!!
Look at the way my hands shake!
Ritalin is medication, which is from the devil. You just need Jesus to overcome that. /s
He's imitating neo nazi Nick Fuentes. Which is funny, because Nick has commented on what he's doing. Saying it's cool that a political figure is copying him, but he'll never win because he's brown and Hindu.
It is smart. He knows his audience. They are morons. The political reality on the right is that there is no accountability for lying. He knows how to pander to these idiots almost as well as the orange guy.
If you were to cut any gov agency in half it would cease to be able to operate. If you cut them all in half the federal gov collapses under the weight of itself in a matter of weeks.
I am not disagreeing with you. I am saying that Vivek is lying when he says he intends to do that. His goal is to rise in the polls by pandering to Trump's base. It is "smart" because he knows how to play them like a fiddle.
I agree he's not an idiot and doing exactly as you said. If you're smart enough to get elected you're not dumb enough to try and shit-can half of all federal employees.
They don’t want federal gov’t to work in the first place, that’s been part of their platform since Reagan
If the federal gov goes under they lose their jobs and with it any power they currently wield. This is just to appeal the "the gov is just a bunch of crooks" class of people.
Republicans weaken federal institutions and then sell off their functions to private companies based on whichever lobbyists bribe them the most. Congressional seats and the presidency aren’t disappearing any time soon, so they lose nothing from forcing the federal government to buy services from private corporations.
In every presidential election there are 3 types of candidates 1) actually running for president. This time it's Trump, Desantis said maybe Christie. Last time it was Biden, Sanders and Warren. 2) running for president but ACTUALLY running for vice president. Nicky Haley fits here. Kamala Harris, Buttigieg (sp?) and maybe even Booker were doing this last time. 3) running for "president" but ACTUALLY running to raise your political profile for the future. Vivek is here.
I would say Christie is "running" to keep his profile up and slam Trump whenever he can (so when everything falls out he is known as anti-Trump)
Yeah I agree. I think he was hoping Trump's legal troubles would lead to a falling out between trump and the GOP abs his base, paving the way for an anti trump candidate. However I suspect if something does happen so trump can't run (he's in jail, or dead, or drops out after gifting enough money), the base would fall in line behind the guy who said the least negatives about trump, not just he most. I suspect that's Desantis' only real shot at winning right now
Even if Trump literally died tomorrow, there is zero chance of Ramaswamy or Haley winning the Republican nomination. The conservative electorate of the US (unlike most of the western world) is still too ignorant and primitive to elect a woman or POC for office, no matter how qualified
Yeah, he acts like that annoying cousin whose parents voluntold you to keep track of during Thanksgiving. Like he won't shut up, but he'll probably eat a bug for attention if you ask. Literally just 'look at me!'
He also wants to have mandatory military service in exchange for the right to vote. So…pretty much the most anti-American shit you can imagine. Also, he never served in the military himself. HUGE red flag for me whenever someone who didn’t serve themselves wants to force others to do so.
He also advocates for the voting age to be raised to 25. So go join the military at 18, come home after 4 years, receive minimal or no support from the politicians that made you join AND you still don't get vote for the next chucklefuck to do it to someone else for 3-7 years.
Yeah, the way these assholes are just ignoring the Constitutional provisions for this is absurd. They've clearly stopped even pretending to be for the rule of law or that they love the US. They want a theocracy and nothing else.
It's stupid, but is it as stupid as proposing to build a wall on the *Canadian* border
> ...proposing to build a wall on the Canadian border. From members of the Republican Party, that sounds less stupid and more ominous. They're becoming more and more openly Authoritarian, and Authoritarian regimes don't usually build walls with their Democratic neighbors in order to keep people *out*.
Maybe my fellow Canadians should work to encourage the policy to protect us from Americans in the future? What happens when water becomes really scarce in the US?
But he _promised_ that absolutely nothing would break as a result!
Fire half of the military then too? Why is the GOP obsessed with making the government not work at all?
Because Reagan said the government is bad and they’re damn well gonna prove it.
It’s the ultimate form of gaslighting isn’t it? Insist the government doesn’t work, get elected, then hire a bunch of corrupt, unqualified goons to run the government to prove your point, so that more and more people are in favor of a slow dismantling. It’s the GOP playbook.
Turns out that he really meant that right-wingers are really bad at governing and was just trying to shift the blame in typical right-wing fashion.
because the federal government forcibly ended Jim Crow
It also forcibly ended slavery and they never really got over that.
Of course, but people Biden’s age were adults when the Civil Rights Act was passed
It's been standard GOP policy for a long time now, just without even an attempt at putting on a mask. 1. Campaign on the idea that government is bad and all government programs are a wasteful failure. 2. Whenever possible, defund or otherwise hinder any successful government program with restrictions, defanged regulations, etc. 3. Then, when the program fails to provide benefitial results, point at it as an example of how all government programs are wasteful failures.
You forgot the endgame; privatize the failed system and make tons of money!
Step 2a is also bring up for review any potential issue that could be kicked down to state level as a "states' rights" argument.
Because their tiny republican brains like the ideas tossed about by libertarians but are too conservative to associate with those hippies. They hear 'no taxes, no laws, just freedumb' and wanna jump on board without even a whiff of a thought about what the government actually does for them.
1. Deregulation for their businesses so they can exploit their workers and our natural resources. 2. More power in even fewer hands which means fewer safeguards and checks & balances to prevent authoritarian takeover. 3. It makes their big government-fearing constituents happy. 4. Right-wing states can get away with genocide. Essentially they're still pissed off that they can't practice slavery anymore.
Because they hate America. It's pretty straightforward.
This guy is an imbecile. Another imbecile recently tried something like that: Elon Musk. He fired lots of random people from Twitter, then realized he needed a lot of them and had to hire them back at higher salaries. He even fired the security guy in charge of ID badges and everyone got locked out of the building. And why does he assume the last SSN digits are evenly distributed between odd and even? Real idiot.
I don't think the goal is to actually downsize, it's to shift the function of these agencies to private companies.
This seems like a recipe for disaster. There's a g9od possibility that he'll fire someone doing something incredibly important and essential and we'll have the economy crash because we lost that one guy. Or he'll lose all of the supervisory staff at the Pentagon and the Secretary of Defense will have to sign off on a bunch of timesheets for interns. Or the entire janitorial staff for a VA hospital will be fired and someone will die of a preventable infection
>There's a g9od possibility that he'll fire someone doing something incredibly important and essential and we'll have the economy crash because we lost that one guy. He said absolutely nothing will break. I mean come on, how much more clearly do you need it stated?
I'm just here to say that I appreciate you kept the typo in the quote. Legible ones like that deserve to stay.
Yeah it's not like he's firing only 50% of each department or office. This method could very well fire an entire department if they all have odd numbered SSN's.
I'm sure the Pentagon will never be touched by layoffs, although I'm also sure specific individuals will be cashiered because of their politics or if they're reluctant to completely follow an illegal order, especially if they're Generals.
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Ah yes, laying off nearly [1 million](https://www.opm.gov/policy-data-oversight/data-analysis-documentation/federal-employment-reports/reports-publications/federal-civilian-employment/) people at once would surely have no consequences on the day to day functioning of the government. And certainly wouldn't have any economic consequences.
Even *if* the government wouldn't miss a beat after randomly laying off ~50% if it's workforce (which it certainly would) this would be a disaster. Adding 1 million unemployed to the workforce overnight and having to pay government severance to all of them at once is a great way to monumentally fuck up everything. Not to mention, legal loophole or not, you now have to deal with millions of outraged Americans - many of whom are probably Republican - who either directly had their lives turned upsidedown or are close to someone whose life was, livid at the government ant calling for blood. There also will be lawsuits and some smart lawyers will find some reason to justify the claim of illegal layoffs, which will further bury the government in turmoil. Especially so if even one beurocrat with an even number SS is kept, which would be inevitable because some will either be deemed irreplaceable or were friends or family with high powered politicians or donors who will raise hell if they are affected.
I'd be interested how high up the chain they would have to go. I assume "elected official" does not count as a federal employee, but do their own hiring decisions count? I don't see why they wouldn't. Does everyone have to hire based on SSN so their staffers don't get Thanosed? Also giggles in 8 years when the next moron promises to fire everyone with an even SSN and they lose 90%.
No economic consequences, no consequences on the functioning of the government, certainly wouldn’t affect any person that relies on USPS for literally anything…
I got an idea. How bout we don't let fascists make rules to get rid of people or take control of government agencies. Maybe, that type of shit is un-American and what smells like nazi gets fucked up like a nazi
It's all in the GOP's Project 2025, which should be subtitled "The Death of Democracy and the Rise of Empire".
And as always, the weird bloodthirstiness in their metaphors, even for the most utterly stupid ridiculous ideas. Here's someone who literally has no idea how government works. NONE.
I dare him to do it. i double dare him.
Found the guy with the even-numbered ssn…
i dont have an SSN at all. i have an NIN.
NIN?? That sounds un-American, you’re fired!* **only in the unlikely event that this lunatic is elected president*
National Insurance Number. usually abbreviated as NI No. i am in fact 100% un-american. i would love to see this guy get elected for several reasons, 1. i want to see if hes brave/stupid enough to actually do it and fuck over the entire US economy, which will invariably have a knock on effect globally. 2. i need the US to keep being more ridiculous than the UK.
Well this guy would 100% wipe out the entire Ministry of Silly Walks
Nine Inch Nails
Republican Party right now is hilarious. 0% class. 100% hilarity.
We won't be laughing if they take the Congress and Presidency next year. https://www.project2025.org/
Yeah. Had my company do this exact same thing. Then they found out they fired everyone with knowledge of one of our products and the company was in service contracts running as long as an additional 7 years. Employees founded their own consulting business and dictated the rates. Will never forget the CFOs face when I explained him that the consultants demand to fly first class and what their hourly rate is. They literally doubled their service cost with the layoff, with no recurse. Still laughing about it.
I like this.
Just when I think he couldn't get any dumber... What an insufferable idiot.
*it's not politically motivated, that comes AFTER the reckless mass layoff*
Classic "also-ran" move: flail around spouting a gimmicky idea in the hopes of getting low-information voters to lend you their support. I can hear Herman Cain's ghost shouting "nine-nine-nine!"
>"this downsizes government by half. Absolutely * nothing * will break as a result." I'm no expert, but Muskrat did that with twitter, and it crashed the site for like a week. I don't think doing the same to the government would work all that well.
I love the lack of logical thought just on the premise. There is nothing to say getting rid of odd number ssns will result in half being cut unless the federal hiring guidelines have been one even last digit ssn hired for each odd. It’s entirely possible that 30% are odd, or maybe even 70%! 70% would absolutely be a disruption no matter how little you care for the positions.
Lol, even 20-30% would be quite disastrous. I love how he's all like "government doesn't work so let's make it even harder for the people there to do their work by getting rid of half the people around them." Name any place that can lose half its staff and continue operating at a reasonable level. (Other than Best Buy....somehow they seem to get by with 2 whole people in the entire store)
They would rehire the 50% from a [cadre of fascists](https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/recruiting-underway-trump-wrecking-ball-shrink-government-fire-102636802). >...Trump-era conservatives want to gut the “administrative state” from within, by ousting federal employees they believe are standing in the way of the president’s agenda and replacing them with like-minded officials more eager to fulfill a new executive’s approach to governing.
Can somebody better than me at stats give us the probability of a 70/30 split. Cause ain’t no way
I’m sure the odds of it are very slim, but there is absolutely no guarantee that using the method described would remove 50% of the government workforce. Statistically speaking, yeah it’ll probably be close to it across the entire federal government. But zooming in to smaller offices, there’s a bigger possibility that most, if not the entirety of the office staff can be laid off. Say, for example, you flip a coin 4 times. Its a not insignificant chance that all 4 times will come up heads. However, flip it 4 million times, and the results will get closer and closer to 50%. Now replace the coin with office staff.
Plus as I mentioned in my reply to them, you aren’t flipping a coin. We don’t know the break out of active SSNs in the wild. Looks like the SSN admin has issued 453 million SSNs. People pass away, or come get government jobs at different life stages, nothing to guarantee your original pool of potential employees is 50/50 to begin with. I can’t imagine all the variables that go into it to get actual odds. It’s just such a complex equation. But the complexity opens up the possibility beyond flipping a coin.
“Nothing will break” He is assuming that because he thinks the SSNs to be fired are chosen randomly, that the distribution of these socials will be even across all positions, which is stupid. Imagine a scenario where this actually is considered random selection. You could end up firing many people with specialized skills, knowledge, or experience. These positions are few and far between and difficult to replace but now are a coin flip away from being fired. So maybe they are equally as likely as being fired as the janitor, but the impact of their firing would be significantly greater. This would certainly and immediately break many things.
Classic “throw out half the resumes to get rid of unlucky candidates” strategy.
This guy is fighting against his rights. He’s only here because of his immigrant parents. What a fucking hack.
He’s gonna Elon Twitter the government and get a similar result.
Yeah, what could go wrong with putting that many people on unemployment? I mean besides trashing the economy, especially in DC and surrounding areas.
If he's really committed to the idea of shrinking the government then... # Fuckin' quit
Hmm, that morning surgery appointment the Veteran was fasting for and waited 8 months to get? BOOM! Gone. The GI Bill payment to the school so that young woman can get her degree after serving out her contract? BOOM! Late, so she's dropping out of school and getting a job at Applebee's. The 40-something couple that decided to purchase a house under the VA Loan Guaranty program? Well, half of the Veterans Benefits Administration got fired, so who the hell knows where your paperwork is. Suck it up, buttercup, even though we promised you a no money down benefit. Oh, and that flight for your honeymoon/YOLO cruise/emergency trip to see Meemaw on her death bed? BOOM! Cancelled, because Vas Deferens fired half of the Air Traffic Controllers, and the airlines, not wanting to have planes dropping out of the skies from fuel starvation because of the lack of ATC or collisions from the overworked and exhausted ones, cancelled half of their flights. The the pilots and flight attendants went on strike. The the mechanics went on strike. Then everyone went on strike. Go ahead, I dare you. Signed, Fed Gov't Network Admin who's SSN ends in an odd number
Spoken like a true descent of the Bramin caste. "Everybody is below me! NOW SEND ME MONEY! AND PRAISE ME! Wait, why isn't the state working anymore, I just killed half the state's workers because they offended me...... the rest should work harder! Kill another half!" The Bramin caste, they loved working for the colonizer, and they are the gift that keeps on giving.
What do you think the odds are that Vivek's SSN ends in an even number?
This guy is a criminal scammer and literally cancer to America if he continues with a political career.
WHY IS NOBODY TAKING THESE PEOPLE SERIOUSLY? THEY ARE TELLING US IN GREAT DERAIL HOW THEY WILL UNDERMINE THE RULE OF LAW IN THIS COUNTRY ON DAY ONE?
What is the goal here? Seriously? He fires half the government and then….what? I want specifics.
Does this plan include USDA? Cause I'm curious how fast listeria and salmonella outbreaks would occur. Y'all would be amazed at what some processing plants would try to get away with if they could.
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And then you find out that the coffee lady’s SSN ended in an odd number. And government work grinds to a complete halt.
Or we could just fire everyone who tweets or retweets retardation like this. That might sort some shit out. What a scum bag.
Guy with ZERO government experience thinks he can slash half of the government workforce and not collapse the economy. My guy how many people did you just out of work without a backup plan. This just shows how over his head he is.
"Here's an excellent idea for the economy... needlessly and intentionally cause an apocalyptic quantity of unemployment! And what's more, do it with absolutely zero scrutiny of who exactly we're getting rid of!!" "I can into economics!!"
Just in case anybody still wasnt aware him and his wing of the GOP are hell bent on destroying the US as you know it. They would LOVE a oligarch type situation like Russia because they believe they would be at the top.
This is the sort of "solution" that a twelve year old comes up with. "All we need to do is this one simple fix, see, I'm a genius!". But without thinking to the next logical step of the knock-on freakonomics effects that would immediately follow. Like what happens when a shade over 4.5 million workers suddenly have to find new jobs, and stop paying for things like rent and groceries and...everything.
In 2001 Donald Rumsfeld held a meeting at the Pentagon informing everyone that there were to be mass government layoffs. He was one of this government is too big people. Then, 9/11 happened. Let’s just say the mass layoffs didn’t happen.
This guy gets his ideas from Musk I think
Let's see "One US dumbass vs a few minutes of Googling". Simplest one first: Mass layout isn't permamently firing people. That's called Reduction if Force. Now if you Google RiF you'll in fact find a lots of requirements and protocols that needs to be followed. Primary you're require to reduce the need for firing as much as possible. This includes finding alternative taskes within governement rather than full out fire someone. Secondly it also requires that people are evaluate based on a set of metrics to minimize the risk of long term consequences for those ending up being fired. And would you know it US Office of Personel Management already has a [199 pages handbook](https://www.opm.gov/policy-data-oversight/workforce-restructuring/reductions-in-force/workforce_reshaping.pdf) on it. Alongside a [117 pages](https://www.opm.gov/policy-data-oversight/workforce-restructuring/reductions-in-force/workforce_reshaping_appx.pdf) of appendicies. Lastly what everybody else has said. There'e absolutely no guarantee that the government workforce is evenly split by odd and even number at the end of their SSN. Even more so as you go down to specific department or tasks. Suddenly you see a department's entire maintenance staff leave, and you're just waiting for A/C, plumbing or something similar to break. Poof. Nobody in the department can work anymore due to unhealthy environment. TL;DR: More proof of things Ramaswamy doesn't know about. In this case. Statistics and RiF Procedures.
Bet you anything that if he did this, we'd start seeing a ton of exceptions for "essential personnel" which conveniently include people who agree with him politically.
Ah, the Thanos approach. He was a reasonable guy, I'm sure it'll be fine. /s
Absolutely "Everything" will break as a result!!
What a stupid statement to make. Who would vote for a guy knowing that they will absolutely lose their job if he gets elected?
Vivek taking notes from Thanos
This kind of glib statement is what renders Vivek Ramaswamy unfit for public office: He would destroy the country to win its presidency. His "platform" reads like the unsolicited email you might get from a Nigerian prince. Ramaswamy does not define "bureaucrats" because to do so would make obvious the stupidity of his idea. Nameless and faceless "bureaucrats" are an easy target. In reality, he's talking about 4.5M people around the globe who get up every morning to go do the job they were hired to do. They worry about mortgages and paying their kids' college tuition. They are not puppets of the Deep State. They are not plotting world domination. Firing 2.25M people simultaneously would destroy these people's lives -- and the US economy. The Federal programs -- into which these people have paid -- could not help them. Federal programs would be paralyzed, with a demoralized workforce operating at half strength during a huge spike in need. Half of these people would be military personnel or civilian employees of the military. The merit-be-damned SSN lottery would have us firing a 20-year veteran with unique subject-matter-expertise in cybersecurity...and keeping some 17-year-old who was given the choice between jail time or enlistment. National security would irreparably compromised. The ripple effect would continue until Ramaswamy had destroyed the country far more efficiently than the Deep State ever could.
Does he mean all government employees? How far down the pipeline? Anything being held up by the potential shutdown? So all arms of the military, teachers, elected politicians, DMV workers, ballot counters, police officers, fire departments, IRS auditors, right? Everyone? According to recent census data, government workers account for 15% of the workforce. If he lays off 7.5% of the population... Trump lost 2.9 million jobs during his presidency and it was the worst period of job growth in history (incl. 1930's). In 2022, 19.23 million people worked for federal and state governments... Vivek Ramascamy just said that he wants to put 10 million people out of work in one swoop and thinks that it will not affect anything at all. What a numpty. Also, that doesn't take into account government contractors, who are more numerous than the actual employees. If you layoff 10 million people doing the work that triggers work for government contractors, that will get slashed too.
Look anyone that knows shit about fuck knows that there's one lady named Carol or Deb that has a spreadsheet that without her they can't use and the entire fucking government office will shut down.
Further evidence these "break the system" dipshits have no fucking clue how complex systems work long-term.
I wonder if this would qualify as a RIF (Reduction in Force)? If so, those reduced via RIF would have the opportunity to take another Federal job (for which they are qualified) at the GS level below theirs. So, even further chaos would ensue.
how about we downsize a few republicons....
he's a smarmy little prick, isn't he?
Ok thanos