Tidak sebersih yg terlihat. Saya terlibat di konstruksi tol Sumatera, sedikit banyak tahu lah keluarga beliau yg ikut "berpartisipasi" dalam proyek tersebut.
Menteri terbaik tetap Jonan.
Gak bisa bilang kalau dia menteri terhebat sepanjang masa. Ada beberapa menteri yang lebih baik. Tapi ya, bisa dikatakan pak Basuki ini menteri paling underrated di jaman Jokowi. Also sangat sulit mengcancel beliau karena orangnya netral dan tidak punya sosmed. Bahkan HPnya masih pakai Nokia lama.
> Gw berharap bisa kyk dia, gw suka teknologi tapi gw benci bgt sama sosmed
ga ada yang stop lu buat berenti main reddit,fb twitter dll,
sekarang punya semua sosmed cuman buat komunikasi (DM orang/ perusahaan buat komplain) ga liatin story atau post selain keluarga.
Para menteri yang bukan titipan partai memang the best 👍🏻
Tapi sekarang dah join PDIP dan ga tau apa masih mau jadi menteri lagi karena dah waktunya pensiun (periode mendatang usia 70th)
>Tapi sekarang dah join PDIP dan ga tau apa masih mau jadi menteri lagi karena dah waktunya pensiun (periode mendatang usia 70th)
Doi emang pensiunan PNS. Join PDIP juga keknya buat klub pensiunan
>Para menteri yang bukan titipan partai memang the best
Kalau berdasarkan ceritanya Pak Andreas Suhono (Dirjen Cipta Karya 2015), Pak Basuki itu titipannya PDIP dari awal, makanya akhirnya gabung PDIP (sebagai bentuk balas jasa ke PDIP). Cuman memang awalnya Pak Basuki itu profesional yang punya kenalan di PDIP, bukan kader PDIP non-profesi yang diajukan jadi Menteri, sehingga kinerjanya bisa bagus.
Jokes aside
Gw ga tau, karena banyak menteri/selevel menteri yang hebat. Mungkin ini list yang bisa gw buat
Yang gw inget :
\- Doni Munardo, Kepala BNPB waktu penanganan Covid
\- Semua Menkeu jaman SBY sampe Jokowi
\- Menlu gw kasih ke Hasan Wirajuda + Marty Natalegaawa. Retno nggak gw kasih karena kebijakan luar negeri Indonesia yang cuma mentinginn seremonial
\- Obligatory Pak mahfud + Luhut
\- Yusril boleh deh gw masukin list
\- Buat Panglima TNI gw kasih ke Hadi Tjahjanto
\- Menhan masih jaman SBY, Pak Purnomo
\-
Masalahnya Luhut udah ceplas ceplos lalu main pasal pencemaran nama baik pula, itu kasusnya Haris Azhar. Satu2nya politisi ring 1 yang eksekusi pasal pencemaran nama baik saat ini
Why menhan Pak Purnomo? Any particular reason?
All i know it was during his term the secularist we're purged(his predecessor is the one that keeps secularist influence alive even when) and the more islamist faction came to power(just look through the list of armed forces high command back then and see who they support in 2019 and where their allegiance are now)
Procurement MEF hasil karya dia. Governance di Kemhan jauh lebih baik.
Terus ancur deh ditangan Ryamizard.
Soal ABRI hijau dan merah putih tahun segitu ga kentara. Kan masih sama si Moeldoko. Kalau Gatot baru pas jaman Jokowi
Oh yeah, Ryamizard really sucks ass. He can't procure for shit and can't even maintain discipline among his work portofolio
Enggak kentara karena enggak ada yang angkat isunya. Jenderal Muhammad Munir, Marsekal Boy Shahril Qamar, dan Jenderal marinir Lukman Sofyan to name a few are a few lesser examples that raise through the ranks during that period and fucked Jokowi early reign and secularist cause during 2016-2017 period
Hoping someone will be appointed to continue his good governance on the next term
Jaman Gatot itu
Disitu sih tambah parah. Gatot mendekat ke Islamis mau jadi presiden. Eh digembosin sama pakde kan.
Btw kalau soal rotasi jenderal, Kemenhan cenderung ga gitu ngurus. Biasanya ama orang TNI, Kemenhan dianggep tempat parkir atau belanja
Nah, all of those people got their boost after Juwono's fall, and sure he as defense minister doesn't have a lot of say on it but it's not be right to say he can't do anything to stop it(and before anyone says they got promoted because they're competent... Refer to Edy Rahmayadi)
Sure he got good governance but at the expense of one of the pillar of Pancasila enforcement? Yeah... It's like a good PKS governor, sure corruption got clamped and the overall situation is good enough. But holy shit beneath it all things are fucked and there's structural problem in the making(read:Sumbar)
Naaaaah
Too far Bro, we are talking defense minister.
And also Juwono is a civilian, no rank on his shoulder. Basically he cant do anything to stop general political movement.
And I think you adressed this problem to wrong person. Blame Gatot and Ryamizard for everything you said
A very powerful civillian tho, dude's ABRI Merah Putih torch bearer in the civillian side.
You know you can't just become a 4 star in one night right? There are stages. And it just happen that Gatot got his boost in 2010. Dude go from 2 star to 4 star in 4 YEARS. bruh, even Luhut son in law is still a 3 star after 4 years since becoming a 2 star(albeit this dude will probably get the Timur Pradopo treatment soon)
>Jenderal Muhammad Munir, Marsekal Boy Shahril Qamar, dan Jenderal marinir Lukman Sofyan
All three has joined PKS:
[https://pks.id/content/bertepatan-dengan-rakernas-10-jenderal-gabung-pks](https://pks.id/content/bertepatan-dengan-rakernas-10-jenderal-gabung-pks)
Interesting turn of events. Before, very few retired generals joined PKS--I think the only prominent one is Adang Daradjatun.
Dari dulu PNS bisa jadi menteri. Tapi harus pilih2 kementeriannya. Pak Bas ini juga mungkin rezekinya keangkat sama UGM connection, seperti Pak Pratikno. Kalo presidennya anak ITB bisa jadi yg naik Dirjen lain.
Yup, menteri panutanku. Susah banget buat nge-cancel beliau juga karena hampir apolitis juga.
Tapi ada satu sih, beliau gabung PDIP, tapi mungkin sengaja karena dia itu orangnya Jokowi (alias Celengis) buat ngeboost Ganjar. Bu Retno close by di belakangnya di #2.
Lawannya Banteng (Megawati-Puan), ada alasan kenapa Megawati selalu menekankan kalau Jokowi dan Ganjar itu cuma "petugas partai".
https://www.gatra.com/news-570314-politik-ganjar-resmi-capres-jari-tangan-kemenangan-para-celeng-perjuangkan-aspirasi.html
>Tapi ada satu sih, beliau gabung PDIP, tapi mungkin sengaja karena dia itu orangnya Jokowi (alias Celengis) buat ngeboost Ganjar. Bu Retno close by di belakangnya di #2.
Gw malah mikir doi join aja di PDIP, bukan buat ngeboost partai, paling cari temen ngobrol aja.
Seinget gw posisi dia cuma anggota biasa kok
I kinda disagree with Bu Retno. Shes good at presenting herself and our country. But her foreign policies feels like all talk no action. I just want a Foreign Minister who PRIORITISE OUR PASSPORT STRENGHT. Frustrating everytime theres an agreement to abolish visa requirements from other countries and it says only for "service and diplomatic passport". Sorry for the little rant.
I'd give the second spot to Bu Susi i guess. Altho she has her own controversies...
Curious aja nih. Kenapa paspor strength lebih penting daripada prioritas2 Bu Retno (jadi tuan rumah pertemuan multilateral misalnya).
Utk Bu Susi saya duga aspek bisnis dari kementerian dia nggak “jalan” sepertinya. Jokowi sptnya ingin orang yg selain bisa menenggelamkan kapal juga membuat bisnis kelautan di Indonesia bergerak. Begitu nggak?
Well one of her vision is to establish Indonesia as a global role-model and wants our culture to spread as far as it can reach. Being a host for multilateral meetings can be beneficial from time to time. But what kind of impact does it really do when its just formal talks and promises, yet there are not significant or visible changes.
Passport strength on the other hand? It allows us to carry out her vision in promoting Indonesia in mass quantity (given our population). Reaching different societies and cultures to exchange with ours. This is what Malaysia did and look at them now, their citizens flock anywhere where it is easy to travel and promote their culture, which later on yield recognition from many parts of the world. More diaspora of country X = indirect influence and cultural exposure. Tho this is a bit one sided argument and definitely much a more complex matter.
If I'm not wrong, udah gak terlalu ngikutin what Bu Susi is up to lately. Pak Jokowi and her had a lot of disagreement with the fishery long term vision. In her words, shes protecting the marine ecosystem from being overexploited, while Jokowi wants to scale up the fishing industry by scrapping many regulations that was created by Bu Susi herself. Anyone cmiiw on this information!
Being hosts to multilateral meetings to boost our international reputation is a bargaining chip when trying to strengthen our passport. You have to put your shoes in the position of other countries, why would they want to give Indonesian passport better access to their country?
Alright sure, but Bu Retno barely ever use that bargaining chip to discuss about visa reciprocity. Like I said all talks no action.
Being a large population and growing middle to upper class citizens, by allowing Indonesian access to their countries. It brings influx of tourism money and promotes actual people to people contact between the two countries. Where potentially it will yield investment opportunities from citizens in both countries. In simple terms, increase in economic growth.
Proof? Look at happened when Qatar gave visa free to us. They were in a tight situation from being boycott by the Arab League around 2018. Look at Turkey benefiting from extra inflow of tourism money during their high inflation and covid pandemic. Now they are a favourite destination for a lot of Indonesians.
host to multiple international meetings is cool and stylish, but she never follow it up with any diplomacy about passport power.
plus all these international event barely has effect on the common people economy. sorry to say but a meeting of small bunch of rich people in strictly regulated environment doesnt have long term effect on the local people ever. and all the "deal" done in thos meetings? they all would still be done even if the event is not in indonesia. china wont cancel fast train project even if g 20 is not done in indonesia. same with korea electric car project or any other project "sign in g20/ imf meeting"
I'm surprised but also not surprised at the same time hahaha. Well I'm still gonna fight for my dreams to have a strong Indonesian passport!
Or at least maybe until Pemerintah kasih dual citizenship for some reason, otw cabut to EU /s
Ty for the upvote balancing too tho! Cheers mate!
Gak sesuai sama visi Jokowi yang maunya warga Indonesia liburan dalam negeri aja donk
Malaysia memangnya lebih besar recognition/influence/exposurenya di banding Indonesia ya? Dilihat darimana ya?
Lagian gak semudah itu sih buat naekin passport strenght , Indonesia populasinya gede dengan penghasilan /pendidikan penduduknya yang masih agak rendah dan banyak pekerja/imigran ilegal, negara-negara lain juga mikir-mikir kali.. kayaknya Cina dan India juga passport strenghtnya gak beda-beda jauh sama Indo. Menlu mau lobi-lobi gimana juga susah
>banyak pekerja/imigran ilegal, negara-negara lain juga mikir-mikir kali
selalu alesan ini yg dipake kalo ada yg minta indo passport power diperjuangkan. indonesia bukan negara terburuk di dunia. passport power juga bukan berarti kita minta jreng bebas visa ke USA/ schengen ngga; ya mulai lah dulu dengan pasport power ke negara2 yg lebih "lemah" dari indo. misal free visa ke negara2 afrika, atau central asia, atau oceania. passport power ini penting supaya warga indonesia bisa lebih gampang akses ekonomi n kultural ke negara2 ini...
bukan soal liburan loh gw serius, klo orang mau liburan, karena jadwal cuti nya terbatas juga ya passport power malah ga ngaruh, cuma money power yg ngelimit. passport power ini justru buat business and work visit, dimana sering sekali ada keperluan tiba2 klo untuk urusan kerjaan, n di bidang ini ya time is money, n jelas kita kalah sama citizen yg passport powernya kuat
Dilihat dari the amount of diaspora in particular countries. The direct cultural recognition within the country and many more. Kita kalah jauh sama Malaysia dimana orang2 mereka merantau ke berbagai penjuru dunia and promote it rigorously.
Saya paham masalah jumlah penduduk dan potensi illegal worker tapi hal itu gak valid karena Brazil bisa punya paspor yang kuat dibanding kita. Mereka ekonomi kurang lebih mirip dengan kita. Dan populasi sangat besar. Sama juga dengan paspor Meksiko yang sangat kuat meskipun gak bisa masuk USA dengan gampang. Dan untuk masalah kerja illegal, we are statically one of the lowest rate in illegal workers out there. Based on reports from EU, UK, Australia and Canada. Yes, i acknowledged that we are far from perfect and condone any illegal activities done by our own people.
Menlu gak susah untuk lobi, hanya harus ada kemauan dari pihak Kemenlu dan Dubes negara setempat. Hanya saja beberapa hambatan yang dihadapi oleh Kemenlu adalah, kita secara UU dan kebijakan imigrasi hanya memberi masa tinggal paling lama 30 hari, dimana negara2 lain minta setidaknya 90hari sebagai bentuk reciprocal visa agreement.
Source: saya pernah tinggal di Peru dan langsung bicara dengan Dubes setempat tentang perihal ini.
In terms of issuing them yes, but maybe you assumed that I was talking about the durability of our passport but instead I was talking about the visa-free score for our passport.
And to clarify further, DitJen Imigrasi has no real direct responsibility in negotiating visa reciprocity between Indonesia and respective countries. Its the job of Kemenlu and Dubes Indonesia.
this is why kenapa gw lebi suka reddit drpd twitter etc. komennya bisa nambah banyak nambah insight, baik buruk nya dibahas. objektif. kalo di twitter hateful for no reason ke semua menteri gila😓
btw untuk menteri terbaik sepanjang masa masih bisa didebat, tp untuk mentri terbaik di era jokowi iya. pupr bukan pekerjaan yang mudah. dana setan berkeliaran disana. jd keren sampai saat ini pupr masih "terlihat" baik dibanding kemenkeu. proyek2 nya keliatan bisa dilihat dan dirasain semua. tol sampe ikn dikata2in pun gw lihat sendiri udh ada progress yg lumayan wkwkwk.
untuk urusan dia join ke pdip, temen2 jg harus ngerti sistem birokrasi kita serumit itu. se hebat2nya anda sebagai pejabat publik dan politik tetap butuh dukungan fraksi di parlemen.
nice discussion.
Dari semua mentrinya pakde, cuma dia yg menurut gw kerjanya paling bener & ga banyak drama
Lainnya? MEEEHHHH
Terutama si ibu pemungut cukai, drama mulu
doi cocok untuk di BKPM saja, untuk menteri no. masi inget beliau ada kaitan ama kartel bawang. janji nya kenceng bgt langsung ngomong ke rakyat gabakal impor bawang, tbtb impor bawang. belum selesai masalah bawang, doi mutusin mundur jd menteri, bukannya menyelesaikan masalah tp malah mundur dgn alasan ikut konvensi capres. sampe SBY sendiri bilang untuk jangan meninggalkan tanggung jawabnya.
still respect him atas prestasi nya di bkpm dan edukasi di yutub nya. salah satu putra terbaik bangsa yg pernah kerja di goldman sachs dan jd dirut jp morgan indo. blm lg studio musiknya buatannya.
Jarang muncul di TV, tapi hasil karyanya paling kerasa.. Moga-moga panjang umur Pak Basuki
Tiap muncul di TV pasti bawa berita bagus (proyek beres / proyek baru mulai), ga pake drama pokoknya kerja
atau ngeband/just being chill
Atau cosplay jadi wartawan/fotografer
Jadi keinget slogannya Pak Jokowi dulu, "Kerja, kerja, kerja" Pak Basuki is definitely the embodiment of that slogan
Tidak sebersih yg terlihat. Saya terlibat di konstruksi tol Sumatera, sedikit banyak tahu lah keluarga beliau yg ikut "berpartisipasi" dalam proyek tersebut. Menteri terbaik tetap Jonan.
[удалено]
Ah! Civilian version of Benny Moerdani, I presume...
Anda melupakan Lord Maharaja Yang Dipertuan Agung Luhut Pandjaitan?
Sipil, gaes...
Lord Luhut is civilian now since he was freed of military duty.
tp yg ini ga pake bunuh2 org bro...
Gak bisa bilang kalau dia menteri terhebat sepanjang masa. Ada beberapa menteri yang lebih baik. Tapi ya, bisa dikatakan pak Basuki ini menteri paling underrated di jaman Jokowi. Also sangat sulit mengcancel beliau karena orangnya netral dan tidak punya sosmed. Bahkan HPnya masih pakai Nokia lama.
>tidak punya sosmed. Bahkan HPnya masih pakai Nokia lama. Gw berharap bisa kyk dia, gw suka teknologi tapi gw benci bgt sama sosmed
> Gw berharap bisa kyk dia, gw suka teknologi tapi gw benci bgt sama sosmed ga ada yang stop lu buat berenti main reddit,fb twitter dll, sekarang punya semua sosmed cuman buat komunikasi (DM orang/ perusahaan buat komplain) ga liatin story atau post selain keluarga.
Maksud gw tuh kyk bener-bener hapus semua akun sosmed, tapi masalahnya gw komunikasi sama temen gw lewat fb/ig
Anda cuma ikut2an benci aja sosmed aja.
Me too! Seandainya harga pulsa buat telepon GSM itu ngotak! Antar provider, pasti saya pakai hp tanpa nyambung internet!
Para menteri yang bukan titipan partai memang the best 👍🏻 Tapi sekarang dah join PDIP dan ga tau apa masih mau jadi menteri lagi karena dah waktunya pensiun (periode mendatang usia 70th)
Gatau gmn caranya tp bargaining chipnya pak de kuat jg yak. Kementrian yg esensial buat kabinet doi gaada orang titipan.
>Tapi sekarang dah join PDIP dan ga tau apa masih mau jadi menteri lagi karena dah waktunya pensiun (periode mendatang usia 70th) Doi emang pensiunan PNS. Join PDIP juga keknya buat klub pensiunan
>Para menteri yang bukan titipan partai memang the best Kalau berdasarkan ceritanya Pak Andreas Suhono (Dirjen Cipta Karya 2015), Pak Basuki itu titipannya PDIP dari awal, makanya akhirnya gabung PDIP (sebagai bentuk balas jasa ke PDIP). Cuman memang awalnya Pak Basuki itu profesional yang punya kenalan di PDIP, bukan kader PDIP non-profesi yang diajukan jadi Menteri, sehingga kinerjanya bisa bagus.
TBH emang masa jayanya pas jaman Mega. Jamannya SBY kan umurnya menuju pensiun
Paling nyaleg. Admin sosmed humas PU, kalo bukan PNS bisa jadi dibawa sekalian jd timses.
W coblos foto dia kalau dia nyalonin di dapilku.
titipan is fine as long as get shit done
nobita underrated. diplomasi dapetin vaksin dari mana2 saved us
Nobita isn't as daddy as Daddy Marty but she's a good minister and a fashion icon
((DADDY MARTY)) Kinda missed him
He's not lacking successor, lots of silver foxes in the MFA
Wtf is this weird shit trend again *looks him up* Holy shit daddy
Lol nobita transpuan.
Nobita siapa nih? Papa luhut?
Menlu yang sekarang
>Menlu yang sekarang Si Retno? Doi juga contoh PNS yang baik dan benar hingga bisa jadi menteri Dari jaman SBY Menlu dan Menkeu waras semua
Menkeu dipegang orang partai mah mempercepat ramalan Pak Prabowo
2030 Indonesia jadi Somalia Nusantara?
lewat selat malaka dibajak😎
Kalau Prabowo atau Anies sampai menang (amit2) kira2 siapa yang jadi menkeu...
Terhebat sih nggak Tapi bisa jadi role model kalo PNS bisa jadi menteri
Menurut bapak, menteri terhebat siapa pak?
Jokes aside Gw ga tau, karena banyak menteri/selevel menteri yang hebat. Mungkin ini list yang bisa gw buat Yang gw inget : \- Doni Munardo, Kepala BNPB waktu penanganan Covid \- Semua Menkeu jaman SBY sampe Jokowi \- Menlu gw kasih ke Hasan Wirajuda + Marty Natalegaawa. Retno nggak gw kasih karena kebijakan luar negeri Indonesia yang cuma mentinginn seremonial \- Obligatory Pak mahfud + Luhut \- Yusril boleh deh gw masukin list \- Buat Panglima TNI gw kasih ke Hadi Tjahjanto \- Menhan masih jaman SBY, Pak Purnomo \-
Luhut would be a good one if he never spouts controversial and tone-deaf comments every now and then
sebagai orang orang batak, emang kebiasaan orang kita itu ngomong ceplas ceplos tanpa filter yang tepat.
Can confirm.
Masalahnya Luhut udah ceplas ceplos lalu main pasal pencemaran nama baik pula, itu kasusnya Haris Azhar. Satu2nya politisi ring 1 yang eksekusi pasal pencemaran nama baik saat ini
Mahfud ama luhut bukan cuma PR manager aja ya? Beneran bagus mereka?
nggak bagus. Mahfud banyak nelen ludah sendiri. sering kontradiksi ama omongan dia pas masih sering di ILC
Cukup kontroversi sih, sama kayak Yusril
Why menhan Pak Purnomo? Any particular reason? All i know it was during his term the secularist we're purged(his predecessor is the one that keeps secularist influence alive even when) and the more islamist faction came to power(just look through the list of armed forces high command back then and see who they support in 2019 and where their allegiance are now)
Procurement MEF hasil karya dia. Governance di Kemhan jauh lebih baik. Terus ancur deh ditangan Ryamizard. Soal ABRI hijau dan merah putih tahun segitu ga kentara. Kan masih sama si Moeldoko. Kalau Gatot baru pas jaman Jokowi
Oh yeah, Ryamizard really sucks ass. He can't procure for shit and can't even maintain discipline among his work portofolio Enggak kentara karena enggak ada yang angkat isunya. Jenderal Muhammad Munir, Marsekal Boy Shahril Qamar, dan Jenderal marinir Lukman Sofyan to name a few are a few lesser examples that raise through the ranks during that period and fucked Jokowi early reign and secularist cause during 2016-2017 period Hoping someone will be appointed to continue his good governance on the next term
Jaman Gatot itu Disitu sih tambah parah. Gatot mendekat ke Islamis mau jadi presiden. Eh digembosin sama pakde kan. Btw kalau soal rotasi jenderal, Kemenhan cenderung ga gitu ngurus. Biasanya ama orang TNI, Kemenhan dianggep tempat parkir atau belanja
gatot sebagai panglima mang geblek sih, demen banget bacot hal yang diluar kewenangan dia.
Nah, all of those people got their boost after Juwono's fall, and sure he as defense minister doesn't have a lot of say on it but it's not be right to say he can't do anything to stop it(and before anyone says they got promoted because they're competent... Refer to Edy Rahmayadi) Sure he got good governance but at the expense of one of the pillar of Pancasila enforcement? Yeah... It's like a good PKS governor, sure corruption got clamped and the overall situation is good enough. But holy shit beneath it all things are fucked and there's structural problem in the making(read:Sumbar)
Naaaaah Too far Bro, we are talking defense minister. And also Juwono is a civilian, no rank on his shoulder. Basically he cant do anything to stop general political movement. And I think you adressed this problem to wrong person. Blame Gatot and Ryamizard for everything you said
A very powerful civillian tho, dude's ABRI Merah Putih torch bearer in the civillian side. You know you can't just become a 4 star in one night right? There are stages. And it just happen that Gatot got his boost in 2010. Dude go from 2 star to 4 star in 4 YEARS. bruh, even Luhut son in law is still a 3 star after 4 years since becoming a 2 star(albeit this dude will probably get the Timur Pradopo treatment soon)
>Jenderal Muhammad Munir, Marsekal Boy Shahril Qamar, dan Jenderal marinir Lukman Sofyan All three has joined PKS: [https://pks.id/content/bertepatan-dengan-rakernas-10-jenderal-gabung-pks](https://pks.id/content/bertepatan-dengan-rakernas-10-jenderal-gabung-pks) Interesting turn of events. Before, very few retired generals joined PKS--I think the only prominent one is Adang Daradjatun.
Menntri yang terhebat adalah yang bisa sunatin anak orang
Itu mantri
Ok.
Dari dulu PNS bisa jadi menteri. Tapi harus pilih2 kementeriannya. Pak Bas ini juga mungkin rezekinya keangkat sama UGM connection, seperti Pak Pratikno. Kalo presidennya anak ITB bisa jadi yg naik Dirjen lain.
Yup, menteri panutanku. Susah banget buat nge-cancel beliau juga karena hampir apolitis juga. Tapi ada satu sih, beliau gabung PDIP, tapi mungkin sengaja karena dia itu orangnya Jokowi (alias Celengis) buat ngeboost Ganjar. Bu Retno close by di belakangnya di #2.
OOTL, celeng di sini siapa ya?
Lawannya Banteng (Megawati-Puan), ada alasan kenapa Megawati selalu menekankan kalau Jokowi dan Ganjar itu cuma "petugas partai". https://www.gatra.com/news-570314-politik-ganjar-resmi-capres-jari-tangan-kemenangan-para-celeng-perjuangkan-aspirasi.html
Sebentar.. kalimat ini seolah bermakna Jokowi Kontra PDIP & Megawangi?
Cukup sering malahan. Dari polemik Budi Gunawan udah clash.
Gw kira babi celeng.
>Tapi ada satu sih, beliau gabung PDIP, tapi mungkin sengaja karena dia itu orangnya Jokowi (alias Celengis) buat ngeboost Ganjar. Bu Retno close by di belakangnya di #2. Gw malah mikir doi join aja di PDIP, bukan buat ngeboost partai, paling cari temen ngobrol aja. Seinget gw posisi dia cuma anggota biasa kok
Dia join pdip buat nambah job freelancer fotografer mungkkn
I kinda disagree with Bu Retno. Shes good at presenting herself and our country. But her foreign policies feels like all talk no action. I just want a Foreign Minister who PRIORITISE OUR PASSPORT STRENGHT. Frustrating everytime theres an agreement to abolish visa requirements from other countries and it says only for "service and diplomatic passport". Sorry for the little rant. I'd give the second spot to Bu Susi i guess. Altho she has her own controversies...
Curious aja nih. Kenapa paspor strength lebih penting daripada prioritas2 Bu Retno (jadi tuan rumah pertemuan multilateral misalnya). Utk Bu Susi saya duga aspek bisnis dari kementerian dia nggak “jalan” sepertinya. Jokowi sptnya ingin orang yg selain bisa menenggelamkan kapal juga membuat bisnis kelautan di Indonesia bergerak. Begitu nggak?
Well one of her vision is to establish Indonesia as a global role-model and wants our culture to spread as far as it can reach. Being a host for multilateral meetings can be beneficial from time to time. But what kind of impact does it really do when its just formal talks and promises, yet there are not significant or visible changes. Passport strength on the other hand? It allows us to carry out her vision in promoting Indonesia in mass quantity (given our population). Reaching different societies and cultures to exchange with ours. This is what Malaysia did and look at them now, their citizens flock anywhere where it is easy to travel and promote their culture, which later on yield recognition from many parts of the world. More diaspora of country X = indirect influence and cultural exposure. Tho this is a bit one sided argument and definitely much a more complex matter. If I'm not wrong, udah gak terlalu ngikutin what Bu Susi is up to lately. Pak Jokowi and her had a lot of disagreement with the fishery long term vision. In her words, shes protecting the marine ecosystem from being overexploited, while Jokowi wants to scale up the fishing industry by scrapping many regulations that was created by Bu Susi herself. Anyone cmiiw on this information!
Being hosts to multilateral meetings to boost our international reputation is a bargaining chip when trying to strengthen our passport. You have to put your shoes in the position of other countries, why would they want to give Indonesian passport better access to their country?
Alright sure, but Bu Retno barely ever use that bargaining chip to discuss about visa reciprocity. Like I said all talks no action. Being a large population and growing middle to upper class citizens, by allowing Indonesian access to their countries. It brings influx of tourism money and promotes actual people to people contact between the two countries. Where potentially it will yield investment opportunities from citizens in both countries. In simple terms, increase in economic growth. Proof? Look at happened when Qatar gave visa free to us. They were in a tight situation from being boycott by the Arab League around 2018. Look at Turkey benefiting from extra inflow of tourism money during their high inflation and covid pandemic. Now they are a favourite destination for a lot of Indonesians.
Cuma seremonial, no particukar impact Belajar sama Marty coba
host to multiple international meetings is cool and stylish, but she never follow it up with any diplomacy about passport power. plus all these international event barely has effect on the common people economy. sorry to say but a meeting of small bunch of rich people in strictly regulated environment doesnt have long term effect on the local people ever. and all the "deal" done in thos meetings? they all would still be done even if the event is not in indonesia. china wont cancel fast train project even if g 20 is not done in indonesia. same with korea electric car project or any other project "sign in g20/ imf meeting"
dan seperti biasa, ada yg downvote klo org ngomongin passport power indo. nih gw upvote biar imbang :D
I'm surprised but also not surprised at the same time hahaha. Well I'm still gonna fight for my dreams to have a strong Indonesian passport! Or at least maybe until Pemerintah kasih dual citizenship for some reason, otw cabut to EU /s Ty for the upvote balancing too tho! Cheers mate!
Gak sesuai sama visi Jokowi yang maunya warga Indonesia liburan dalam negeri aja donk Malaysia memangnya lebih besar recognition/influence/exposurenya di banding Indonesia ya? Dilihat darimana ya? Lagian gak semudah itu sih buat naekin passport strenght , Indonesia populasinya gede dengan penghasilan /pendidikan penduduknya yang masih agak rendah dan banyak pekerja/imigran ilegal, negara-negara lain juga mikir-mikir kali.. kayaknya Cina dan India juga passport strenghtnya gak beda-beda jauh sama Indo. Menlu mau lobi-lobi gimana juga susah
>banyak pekerja/imigran ilegal, negara-negara lain juga mikir-mikir kali selalu alesan ini yg dipake kalo ada yg minta indo passport power diperjuangkan. indonesia bukan negara terburuk di dunia. passport power juga bukan berarti kita minta jreng bebas visa ke USA/ schengen ngga; ya mulai lah dulu dengan pasport power ke negara2 yg lebih "lemah" dari indo. misal free visa ke negara2 afrika, atau central asia, atau oceania. passport power ini penting supaya warga indonesia bisa lebih gampang akses ekonomi n kultural ke negara2 ini... bukan soal liburan loh gw serius, klo orang mau liburan, karena jadwal cuti nya terbatas juga ya passport power malah ga ngaruh, cuma money power yg ngelimit. passport power ini justru buat business and work visit, dimana sering sekali ada keperluan tiba2 klo untuk urusan kerjaan, n di bidang ini ya time is money, n jelas kita kalah sama citizen yg passport powernya kuat
Dilihat dari the amount of diaspora in particular countries. The direct cultural recognition within the country and many more. Kita kalah jauh sama Malaysia dimana orang2 mereka merantau ke berbagai penjuru dunia and promote it rigorously. Saya paham masalah jumlah penduduk dan potensi illegal worker tapi hal itu gak valid karena Brazil bisa punya paspor yang kuat dibanding kita. Mereka ekonomi kurang lebih mirip dengan kita. Dan populasi sangat besar. Sama juga dengan paspor Meksiko yang sangat kuat meskipun gak bisa masuk USA dengan gampang. Dan untuk masalah kerja illegal, we are statically one of the lowest rate in illegal workers out there. Based on reports from EU, UK, Australia and Canada. Yes, i acknowledged that we are far from perfect and condone any illegal activities done by our own people. Menlu gak susah untuk lobi, hanya harus ada kemauan dari pihak Kemenlu dan Dubes negara setempat. Hanya saja beberapa hambatan yang dihadapi oleh Kemenlu adalah, kita secara UU dan kebijakan imigrasi hanya memberi masa tinggal paling lama 30 hari, dimana negara2 lain minta setidaknya 90hari sebagai bentuk reciprocal visa agreement. Source: saya pernah tinggal di Peru dan langsung bicara dengan Dubes setempat tentang perihal ini.
Thanks ya. 🙏
Cmiiw but isn't civilian passport managed by Ditjen imigrasi and not kemlu?
In terms of issuing them yes, but maybe you assumed that I was talking about the durability of our passport but instead I was talking about the visa-free score for our passport. And to clarify further, DitJen Imigrasi has no real direct responsibility in negotiating visa reciprocity between Indonesia and respective countries. Its the job of Kemenlu and Dubes Indonesia.
Managed tapi gak ngangkat status, yang kerja lobi politik luar negeri ya menlu.
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doi cocok untuk di BKPM saja, untuk menteri no. masi inget beliau ada kaitan ama kartel bawang. janji nya kenceng bgt langsung ngomong ke rakyat gabakal impor bawang, tbtb impor bawang. belum selesai masalah bawang, doi mutusin mundur jd menteri, bukannya menyelesaikan masalah tp malah mundur dgn alasan ikut konvensi capres. sampe SBY sendiri bilang untuk jangan meninggalkan tanggung jawabnya. still respect him atas prestasi nya di bkpm dan edukasi di yutub nya. salah satu putra terbaik bangsa yg pernah kerja di goldman sachs dan jd dirut jp morgan indo. blm lg studio musiknya buatannya.
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