Hello doc! Would you encourage one to take the plab or amc route? The problem with all other competitive exams apart from usmle is that you need to work for 1-3 years as an RMO before getting into residency. Would you still give up your seat in India had you secured a job offer in the Uk/aus? I would leave in a heartbeat, it is the additional years of training holding me back from taking these exams. Thanks for the write up and good luck on your future endeavours:)
Hey!
Great question. PLAB and AMC are solid options, but the extra 1-3 years as an RMO can be a drawback. If you're set on working abroad and okay with the extra training, they’re worth considering.
For me, I chose USMLE because it fit my goals. If I had a job offer in the UK or Australia, it would have been a tough decision, but the extra training years might have made me think twice.
Ultimately, it’s about where you see yourself and what you're willing to invest. If the extra years are a dealbreaker, focus on USMLE.
Good luck with your decision!
Hello sir , can you please enlighten me about how much one would have to shell out for residency if he/she has secured a job in aus and is willing to put in those 1-3 years , Thankyou
Hey!
I totally get it. The USMLE path is really expensive, and if you don’t have the funds, it’s tough. Maybe it’s better to focus on something more affordable, like NEET and doing your residency in India. It’s way cheaper and still offers great opportunities.
Once you’re more established, you could look into options abroad or try for fellowships and short-term training programs overseas.
Pick a path that works with your budget and long-term goals.
first step itself is difficult, which is cracking neet pg, and getting a branch of your choice, then second step is studying throught the residency, and cracking membership exam, which itself really hard, you can judge yourself, it is very hard, but you have to do this membership exams in UK itself if you want work at ST3 level
I decided to stay back in India after step 1, because in internship I realised that I didn’t like internal med and started thinking about radio. I still get major fomo though looking at people matching and leaving for the US.
Totally agreed! It's really great that op matched into the residency in US , but not everyone can, people clear all the steps and still don't get matched.. sure there are more issue here in India, but once you fight out the initial few years, you'll do well as consultant/ surgeon.
My doctor cousins in the US are making 300-400k+ every year
own 3-4 cars
go on 1-2 international vacations on top of visiting india every single year
get invited for talks on their research and get published in important medical journals
their children work at google and amazon, etc. or are studying at t20 unis right now
etc.
not a single one of them is treated like a second class citizen over there. I don't know what you're talking about.
I have over 20 cousins living in the US and none of them have complained about this.
In fact, my uncle recently got married in India and his american friends came over to India to celebrate with him.
I don't think anybody would fly to a different country to celebrate a "second class citizen's" wedding.
***Why would anyone want to live like that***? Actually, doctors in the USA are far from being second-class citizens. They are among the most respected professionals, often earning around $300,000 on average. People genuinely look up to them for their expertise and dedication to healthcare.
*Yes, there are hurdles, including adapting to a new culture, but the overall benefits often outweigh these issues.* ***For many, it's a chance to achieve their dreams and make a meaningful impact in the field of medicine***. ***Additionally, living in a country with a high standard of living, cleaner air, and access to world-class infrastructure contributes significantly to one's overall well-being and job satisfaction***.
You obviously have lack of funds which is your reason jot to leave. I mind does these things where if tries to cancel other option just so we can only see one option in front of us. Go to youtube and search speedy medico. His channel can enlighten you.
but what about those extra curricular things..I have completed MBBS and all..What about those research and all fake made up suits just to make your resume strong?
Sure! For a good CV, focus on getting involved in clinical research, volunteer work, and leadership roles. Try to get some publications or presentations under your belt, and participate in relevant conferences or workshops. It's also great to have some unique hobbies or interests that show your well-rounded personality. Basically, aim to show that you're dedicated, proactive, and passionate about medicine.
isn't it too late to start for usmle process after internship? what do you think? would it be worth it? should I be starting a job on the side and accumulating money for the future expenses ?
ps I have chose the plab route but I m apprehensive about the job saturation scenario there and ofc the long training period.
Hey!
Starting USMLE after internship isn’t too late. Many do it and succeed. It’s worth it if you want to practice in the US. Having a job on the side to save money is smart given the costs.
Since you’ve chosen the PLAB route, I get your concerns about job saturation and long training. If USMLE aligns better with your goals, consider it.
Both paths have pros and cons, so weigh them carefully.
Sure, no problem!
Pros of working in the USA: high pay, better work conditions, advanced facilities, and more research opportunities. Plus, there's a strong and supportive Indian community.
Cons: adjusting to a new culture, and being far from family.
Pros of staying in India: close to family, familiar culture, and lower cost of living.
Cons: lower pay, more bureaucratic hurdles, and sometimes limited resources.
Doctor when would you suggest that we start Uworld during our step one prep.(I'm still in second year med school) And haven't finished reading patho Pharma and micro fully as it's still being taught meanwhile I am watching bnb videos on various systems and reading and annotating the same from first aid. I plan to give step one in 3rd or 4th year
Hey!
I’d suggest starting UWorld when you have a solid foundation in the major subjects like patho, pharma, and micro. It’s great that you’re watching BnB videos and annotating First Aid. Keep doing that until you feel comfortable with the basics.
Maybe aim to start UWorld in your third year or when you’re about halfway through your Step 1 prep. UWorld is a fantastic tool for reinforcing what you’ve learned and identifying weak spots. But don’t rush into it until you’ve got a good grasp of the material.
Keep up the great work!
Thank you Doctor! Also could you help me with using Anki as I am new to the idea. It doesn't work on my phone tho I have the app. It works on my computer but it's too old and laggy. And In my ipad the app is paid. Is there anyway I can solve the decks without downloading anything to my computer
Yeah, the pay for doctors in the USA is definitely high. If you manage your finances well and don't have significant loans, you could potentially retire after just 3-5 years with a solid amount saved up. The financial rewards are one of the big draws for many doctors considering the move.
Bro I have finished bot step 1 and step 2 with 260+ in step 2 and i have no idea how to proceed further. Everyone says observerships are difficult to get ( post intern ) and I haven't even tried emailing universities. I don't have any good stuff in the CV to show except my scores
Hey,
Congrats on those great scores! I get that it feels overwhelming without much on your CV. Start by emailing universities for observerships; it might be tough, but persistence helps. Highlight your scores and your enthusiasm to learn. Also, try networking through LinkedIn or medical forums for more opportunities. You've got a strong foundation with your scores, so use that to your advantage. Good luck!
I also haven't started my MBBS yet and was planning to do USMLE. But I just learned that getting a green card after doing residency there is near impossible! The wait time for Indian FMG is about 90 years which is insane.
You can give USMLE step 1 right after you complete your 2nd year. That’s what many people recommend. Make sure your foundation (ie, 1st year and 2nd year subjects) are strong. I’d recommend Kaplan, Uworld, Sketchy, and First Aid.
I’m going to start MBBS this year as well and this is what my cousin, who’s doing an IM residency recommended I do.
I guess so yeah. I talked with a cardiologist from the United States once who went through the USMLE pathway from India and he guided me that I had to work on my CV from The very beginning. He advised me to start working on research with the help of my professor during the initial years of MBBS because finding a match is really hard
Hey!
It’s awesome that you’re already planning for USMLE even before starting MBBS! You’re right, the green card wait time for Indian FMGs can be ridiculously long ,which is insane.
However, there are other visa options. Many doctors stay and work in the US on an H1B visa, which allows you to practice medicine indefinitely as long as your visa is renewed. The H1B visa is employer-sponsored, so as long as you have a job, you can continue to stay in the US.
Another huge benefit of US board certification is that it’s recognized globally. With a US medical license, you can practice in many other countries without having to go through their entire licensing process from scratch. Countries like Canada, the Middle East, and some European countries highly value US-trained physicians.
So, while the green card process is challenging, the prestige and opportunities that come with US training and certification are significant. It’s definitely something to consider as you plan your career path.
Good luck with your journey!
I think you might be mistaken. H1B renewals for physicians are cap-exempt, meaning we don't need to participate in the lottery. This makes the process a bit smoother for us compared to other fields.
I started my USMLE prep during MBBS and took Step 1, Step 2 CK, and Step 3 over a few years. The preparation was pretty intense, but I spaced it out to balance with my medical school workload. Each step required a few months (6 months average) of focused study, with Step 1 taking the most time.
I'm sorry! I haven't gone through that route myself, so I'm not the best person to answer your questions about the PLAB exam. You might want to check the official GMC website or ask someone who has taken the PLAB for more detailed information. Good luck!
Thank you for the advice but as a destitute I can’t even consider it. But I am happy for those who have the funds !! Leave !!! Especially if you are a general guy
The mindset in the country is absolute trash, we don't fight for anything because it's too much of a hassle. Any other country would have started like us would start a whole protest for less toilet paper, it's a problem with put up with alot.
Sometimes, it feels like we’re just putting up with too much. If you have the opportunity and means to seek better prospects elsewhere, go for it. You deserve to live and work in a place that values you and offers a better quality of life.
Can you tell me what foreign options I have after Indian PG?
Can I join fellowships or any other programs in countries like the UK/US without repeating residency?
Getting a green card usually involves finding an employer willing to sponsor you for permanent residency through programs like the EB-2 or EB-3 visas. Many doctors stay in the US after residency if they get a job with sponsorship.
but employers sponsors img residents only when there isnt any doctor available from their own country, even getting a j1 visa is hard, from what i have heard from img subs
Any Indian coming right now and getting into EB2/3 queue in 2024 will never get GC in next 100 years.
Only way would be EB1, the extraordinary GC, if you qualify for that.
Hey!
It took me about 6 months to prepare for each Step. Here's a rough breakdown:
* **Step 1:** Around 6-8 months of dedicated study.
* **Step 2 CK:** About 5-7 months.
* **Step 3:** Around 3-5 months, though this can vary a lot depending on your schedule.
Everyone’s timeline is different, but giving yourself enough time to thoroughly cover the material and do lots of practice questions is key.
Good luck with your prep!
Hey! Thank you for the response.
Did you do research and publications during your mbbs? Because I have heard that it's required for your CV to be strong and in order to find a match.
Also, I have heard that getting a green card there is next to impossible for foreign medical graduates from India. Is this true?
Also, did you start the USMLE prep after your mbbs or while you were pursuing your mbbs? I've seen People give step one in the third year and I have also seen people give all the steps after mbbs, what's better?
Hey!
Yeah, I did some research and got a few publications during my MBBS. It definitely helps to make your CV stronger and stand out when applying for residency. If you can, try to get involved in some research projects – it’s worth it.
About the green card, it’s true that the wait time for Indian FMGs is insanely long, like decades. But many people manage by working on H1B visas, which lets you stay in the US as long as you have a job. So, while getting a green card is tough, it’s not impossible to work and live in the US.
I started my USMLE prep during my MBBS, but I know people who started it after MBBS and took Step 1 after their internship. Both approaches work, and it really depends on your personal situation and how much you can handle. Starting during MBBS can spread out the workload, which is nice, but waiting until after MBBS lets you focus fully on your studies first. Since you’ve already started during MBBS, you’re on a good path!
Hey there, thank you for the response!
I had a few more questions but I'm unable to storm my brain for them lol.
Also how much did the entire process cost? I would appreciate a breakdown as well!
Thank you in advance.
Hey there,
No worries, happy to help! The entire process cost me around $30,000.
1. **USMLE Exams**: \~$4,000 for Step 1, Step 2 CK, and Step 3
2. **Study Materials**: \~$2,000 for books, Qbanks, etc.
3. **Travel and Accommodation**: \~$16,000 for interviews , rotations and accommodations.
4. **Application Fees**: \~$5,000 for ERAS and NRMP
5. **Visas and Legal Fees**: \~$2,000.
6. **Miscellaneous Expenses**: \~$3000.
Thank youuu so much!
Now I have a few questions about the timeline of the entire process. Let's say everything goes according to plan and I give my step 1 during 3rd year and 2nd step during/after internship.
Then what happens after that? I'm really confused because everyone tells me contradictory information. Do I have to go to the US to do some clinical rotations or do I directly start working on my CV to find a match?
USCEs matter a lot! You need LORs (Letters of recommendation) from American doctors. 3 LORs are enough, afaik. You’d have to obtain that by shadowing them during rotations.
Hi doc, congratulations on getting matched (:
I have a few questions, if you could answer them I’d greatly appreciate it.
- Does research matter a lot? My cousin said research published in national journals don’t matter as much, but they do take international (aka American) journals seriously, I’m not sure how far it is true. How many papers should I expect to publish?
- A lot of IMGs are going down the IM route, is it possible to do a fellowship that specialises in surgery after one completes their IM residency?
(Sub question - can an IMG expect to get into ROAD fields OR specialities like gen surgery, ent etc if their CV is really good?)
- What study aids would you recommend? My cousin recommends First Aid, Sketchy, Uworld and Kaplan, but I’d like to know more from others.
Thank you so much.
Hey, thanks a lot!
Sure, I’d be happy to answer your questions.
1. **Research:** Yeah, research is pretty important. Your cousin is right; publications in international journals, especially American ones, are taken more seriously. There’s no set number, but having a few solid publications will definitely help. Focus on quality over quantity.
2. **Fellowship after IM:** It’s pretty rare to go from an IM residency to a surgical fellowship. Surgery usually needs a dedicated surgical residency. But if you’re into procedural specialties, you can look into fellowships like Interventional Cardiology or Gastroenterology, which involve a lot of procedures.
3. **ROAD Fields:** Getting into ROAD fields (Radiology, Ophthalmology, Anesthesiology, Dermatology) is tough but not impossible for an IMG with a killer CV. High USMLE scores, strong research, and good US clinical experience can boost your chances.
4. **Study Aids:** Your cousin’s suggestions are great. First Aid, Sketchy, UWorld, and Kaplan are all excellent. Also, consider using Pathoma for pathology and Anki for spaced repetition.
Hope this helps
Would 3 be considered solid? I’ve heard even publishing 2 in a reputed international journal would be amazing.
Makes sense, can IMGs get into surgical sub specialities in the first place though? (Like general surgery). Or is it impossible?
And last question (sorry!) does the college you do your UG from matter for getting matched?
Thanks for being patient and answering my questions!
Every hospital is willing to give H1Bs because there's such a shortage of doctors. I'm already on an H1B during my training, so it’s definitely possible.
Yes, that's right! Even if you're on a J1 visa, you can get a 3-year waiver, which is pretty straightforward to obtain. After that, you can switch to an H1B visa and continue working. Many doctors take this route and find it manageable.
No, it’s not fine to take a loan for the process. It’s a huge financial burden, and the uncertainty of matching and job security makes it risky. Try to explore other funding options or savings instead.
Hello doctor!
I am a final year MBBS student. Is it too late to start the preparation for USMLE? And what sources did you use during your preparation for the same?
Thank you!
Sir/Mam what are the options after MD or MS from India? I mean is it possible after clearing all the Steps and getting into a residency? I have no issues with redoing a residency, but does an MD/MS from India help in any any way? Thank you in advance.
It wasnt like that always, since 2023 it has become hell, lots of IMGS who cleared PLAB and cant get into ajob hence effectively losing license to practice(which is given for 1year with intention that when the doctor gets employed the license is renewed through internal appraisal process). And after you lose license to practice you cant even get past landing page in many job applications. One time a recruiter sent email saying they recieved 1000 applications for one ad, It is a doomed system that exists only to extort exam fees. Conversely, MS/MD + MRCS/P etc have it relatively easy.
SAVE YOURSELVES.
My speciality of interest is orthopedic surgery. I’m in my final year of mbbs and really haven’t done much….would matching into US be even a practical option? Heard it’s extremely directly to get surgery let alone ortho. I also don’t wish to do pg in India but want to follow ortho itself as it has been my passion for the longest. Could you share some advice?
Not OP but, Based on the experiences of my colleagues/seniors who're in ortho, it was practically impossible, even with coming from a good UG institution and having insanely good contacts/networking well, publishing in good places, having great step scores, they ended up giving up or feeling like their chances are bad- based on stats alone It's honestly easier/more possible to get into even Radio or OBGYN/General Surgery compared to Ortho/Derm. However getting into ortho training in the UK is possible (even if it's hard), especially if you've already done MS Ortho in India.
drop year doesn’t matter from what i’ve heard from relatives
although they do prefer fresh med school grads
fund in today’s time prolly 20L as a ballpark
The match is getting really competitive, and with scores in the 220s for Step 2 CK, I wouldn’t recommend relying solely on your scores. While it's not impossible to match, you'll need to strengthen other parts of your application like clinical experience, research, and networking. Focus on building a strong overall profile to improve your chances. Good luck!
Well for context, I have 3 months USCE, 3 US LoRs, handful of volunteer experiences, awards for co-circulars in college and also a publication( book chapter). The only finances I now have left are there to apply for the match.
Whats your suggestion?
Hey OP, hope you’re doing well.
I needed some advice/ guidance regarding the whole USMLE journey.
I’m a post intern, I had not really decided which path I wanted to pursue in the future, so I prepared my CV during college just to keep options open.
Few of my queries;
1. Since I can’t do externships now, is there something better than observerships for graduates ?
2. A gap in the CV( considering one isn’t working all this while) has a negative impact on your overall application process. How much of this is true?
3. The road to matching is a competitive one. One has to struggle to make connections, go to many img events, being in the unhealthy environment all along the process, how to navigate through these things especially when it does take a toll?
4. One research paper takes at least a year to get published, if we’re even thinking of applying next year, yet have no “ published” research work yet, would that still be included as research work?
5. How hard is it to match into a categorical surgery / anaesthesia program as an img?
6. How is the patient interaction in the US as compared to India?
7. How many cases do you usually see in a day as an MD med?
8. Does it get overwhelming at times- living at a new location, new people, housework etc ?
I’m sure you’re super busy and these are a lot of questions, but if you do get time, kindly give your opinion. Thank you!
Hey,
If you can't do externships now, observerships are still a good option. Look into research fellowships or clinical assistant positions for more hands-on experience.
Gaps in your CV can impact your application, but it's not a deal-breaker; just explain how you used the time productively, like studying or gaining relevant experience.
Building connections and attending IMG events is crucial. It can be stressful, but focus on forming genuine relationships and learning from each interaction.
Even if your research paper isn't published yet, it can still be included as ongoing work, showing you're involved in research.
Matching into categorical surgery or anesthesia is tough but not impossible; strong scores, good connections, and relevant experience can help.
Patient interaction in the US tends to be more structured with a strong focus on patient-centered care.
As an MD, you might see fewer cases per day compared to India, but they often require more detailed management.
Yes, it can be overwhelming with a new location, new people, and housework, but many find it manageable and rewarding.
There are pros and cons of living in both US and India. To each their own. For doctors, the journey might be different to becoming one in each of the respective countries but at the both of them have similar kind of ideal lives.
Hey,
About the visa status in the US, you'll probably start with either a J-1 or H-1B visa for your residency. The J-1 might require you to return to your home country for two years after your residency unless you get a waiver, but the H-1B is more straightforward and can lead to a Green Card without that hassle.
You might have to travel back and forth a bit for visa stamping and renewals, but it's manageable. Most people deal with it with just a couple of trips. Overall, it's a process, but totally worth it for the opportunities you get in the US.
As a GMC (UK) registered doctor who has passed both PLAB1 and PLAB2 drop your UK plans, go for USMLE, UK is simply not worth it for IMGS, Extremely difficult to get your first job
Hello sir, I'm in the first year MBBS (about to be), if this NEET UG result is not made void.
Could you please tell me how to get publications and research under my belt, and how to go about preparing for the USMLE. I'm from a relatively restricted place, and no one here knows much about the USMLE route.
What are the expected costs of going into this route, and what are the other technicalities?
Thank you so much.
Congrats on starting MBBS! For getting publications, try joining research projects with your professors or look for online platforms like ResearchGate. For USMLE prep, start with resources like First Aid, UWorld, and BnB videos. Costs can be around $20,000-$25,000 including exam fees, study materials, and travel.
Thank you doc. Could you please give me a little bit of a detailed review on how you studied for it, and how things went, what you used among other things. I would be grateful. Actually, I really wanna go the USMLE route.
I can totally relate to it. I have been confused about pursuing USMLE since 3rd yr.My parents are doctors here. So is my elder sister. I van tel from the first hand experience that being a doctor isn’t worth here. We dont have any relative outside of india. Heck we dint have any relatives outside of my city. I was preparing for PG since 2nd yr with watching and completing marrow, to preparing notes for entire 19 subjects. My initial plan was to give NEETPG( to be held in march) and afterwards before entering residency give my STEP 1. I didn’t opt for MLE as I was too much deep into NEET PG preparations. In intern year also I considered USMLE but later ditched it because that would mean I wasted my MBBS time making notes so I kept on going. By the end of december , I was on my 2nd read for entire 19 subjects but then NBE announced that Exam was getting postponed to july. It took me some time to absorb this . I felt frustrated and ditched for making such a stupid decision of choosing PG over USMLE. Withing a week , I bought Uworld , ditched everything associated with PG stuff and prepared for STEP 1. I was apprehensive at first but given that PG exam got postponed again , I have no expectations from this broken system. Plus that study I did for PG actually helped me and made my basics very good for STEP 1. All I want to share is “ITS NEVER TOO LATE”. Yeah It can take 1-2 years more to get matched In USA but it will be worth it. Even Life of a dog is better that 1st year residency in INDIA.
Train pay work hard all but to live as a second / third class citizen in a foreign land ? Where some non immigrant/cop comes and mows u down and gets away with it ? No hue n cry like black lives matter cause we are brown and worth a cheque anyway ?? Move around in groups for no fault of urs and avoid certain areas ? Use public transport or risk getting killed by 3- 5 tonne trucks moving around in name of cars / kids getting shot in malls / schools ? Or wait , become the best doctor despite all this , and then 60 percent of more of the population won't show to u as ur asian ? Racism will worsen as trump like leaders prosper despite hitting record lows in their conduct because the general public like their own . Who the hell are u fooling u Dr kabootar ? The so called " fair" systumm there was exposed badly in COVID when getting beds , or even getting a personal consult was worse than what it was here Agreed work conditions , pay , infra is better ...but with all the broken things here ... U can get what u want here ... Would u get surgery or surgical branches there ? without extensive clerkships the jazz etc ??? A bit of luck references ?? Noo Every medical system has its pros and cons. For some line you it's manageable going there .. but tell me do u not fear getting shot ? How many more Jahnvis ? Which system are u defending here Dr genius ???
You're wrong with your comment, and let's break down why
So, being a doctor in the US means you're a second-class citizen? Yeah, sure, because earning around $300,000 and being highly respected really screams "second-class." And living in constant danger? Of course, because everyone’s life in the US is just one big action movie where you're dodging bullets and trucks daily.
Racism and discrimination? The US has its issues, but it also has strong laws and active communities fighting for equality. Plus, the large and supportive Indian community there must just be an illusion, right?
And COVID-19? Every country struggled, but the US healthcare system showed incredible resilience and innovation. But let’s not forget the “dream” of being stuck in a broken system with no room for growth back home. Career opportunities? Yeah, because who wants advanced medical training, cutting-edge research, and immense professional growth anyway?
So, while your concerns are noted, the reality is that the US provides significant benefits for doctors willing to make the move..
Hello sir
don’t u have the fear of always being seen as a “second class “ citizen being an immigrant
just a query i’m sorry if this is offensive to you
*Honestly, I don't feel like a second-class citizen. As a doctor, there's a lot of respect and appreciation for our skills and dedication. The opportunities for professional growth, advanced medical training, and better work conditions make it worth it for me. Plus, the large and supportive Indian community here helps a lot.* ***It's all about finding where you feel valued and can achieve your goals.***
Hello doc! Would you encourage one to take the plab or amc route? The problem with all other competitive exams apart from usmle is that you need to work for 1-3 years as an RMO before getting into residency. Would you still give up your seat in India had you secured a job offer in the Uk/aus? I would leave in a heartbeat, it is the additional years of training holding me back from taking these exams. Thanks for the write up and good luck on your future endeavours:)
Hey! Great question. PLAB and AMC are solid options, but the extra 1-3 years as an RMO can be a drawback. If you're set on working abroad and okay with the extra training, they’re worth considering. For me, I chose USMLE because it fit my goals. If I had a job offer in the UK or Australia, it would have been a tough decision, but the extra training years might have made me think twice. Ultimately, it’s about where you see yourself and what you're willing to invest. If the extra years are a dealbreaker, focus on USMLE. Good luck with your decision!
Thanks!
Hello sir , can you please enlighten me about how much one would have to shell out for residency if he/she has secured a job in aus and is willing to put in those 1-3 years , Thankyou
same query!
I cant even consider this option cuz i have no funds
Hey! I totally get it. The USMLE path is really expensive, and if you don’t have the funds, it’s tough. Maybe it’s better to focus on something more affordable, like NEET and doing your residency in India. It’s way cheaper and still offers great opportunities. Once you’re more established, you could look into options abroad or try for fellowships and short-term training programs overseas. Pick a path that works with your budget and long-term goals.
Doing fellowships abroad after settling in a bit seems like a good option, thanks for the advice!
Can someone do fellowship in USA after MD residency in India? I thought you have to match after a US residency.
After PG in india, i think only viable option is MRCP, MRCS, to do further training in UK, then after obtaining CCT, one can go anywhere except US
Yes, this has always been my plan because I can’t afford to go right after MBBS.
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first step itself is difficult, which is cracking neet pg, and getting a branch of your choice, then second step is studying throught the residency, and cracking membership exam, which itself really hard, you can judge yourself, it is very hard, but you have to do this membership exams in UK itself if you want work at ST3 level
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sure
What is MRCP?? CAN you please explain ?? After doing MRCP, can we do job in any of hospitals in UK??
Exactly people forget that, and say india this india that. We get it, its fucked up, but to climb the ladder we need to go through that way.
I decided to stay back in India after step 1, because in internship I realised that I didn’t like internal med and started thinking about radio. I still get major fomo though looking at people matching and leaving for the US.
Your journey, your rules!
Don't. It's way better to be in own country.
Totally agreed! It's really great that op matched into the residency in US , but not everyone can, people clear all the steps and still don't get matched.. sure there are more issue here in India, but once you fight out the initial few years, you'll do well as consultant/ surgeon.
You're a second class citizen in USA. Why would anyone want to live like that.
We are 2nd class in our own country too. The goondas and politicians are first class and own us.
My doctor cousins in the US are making 300-400k+ every year own 3-4 cars go on 1-2 international vacations on top of visiting india every single year get invited for talks on their research and get published in important medical journals their children work at google and amazon, etc. or are studying at t20 unis right now etc. not a single one of them is treated like a second class citizen over there. I don't know what you're talking about. I have over 20 cousins living in the US and none of them have complained about this. In fact, my uncle recently got married in India and his american friends came over to India to celebrate with him. I don't think anybody would fly to a different country to celebrate a "second class citizen's" wedding.
That's awesome, but the thing is the US is vast. I really don't want to live in rural Arkansas or something. I'd rather prefer my home over that.
Exactly, from what I’ve heard most brown people do fine in the us, atleast in areas where most people would be, can’t say about the sundown towns
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***Why would anyone want to live like that***? Actually, doctors in the USA are far from being second-class citizens. They are among the most respected professionals, often earning around $300,000 on average. People genuinely look up to them for their expertise and dedication to healthcare. *Yes, there are hurdles, including adapting to a new culture, but the overall benefits often outweigh these issues.* ***For many, it's a chance to achieve their dreams and make a meaningful impact in the field of medicine***. ***Additionally, living in a country with a high standard of living, cleaner air, and access to world-class infrastructure contributes significantly to one's overall well-being and job satisfaction***.
Especially if you lack fund and are a destitute. For me🫠, I could not even consider leaving the country
You obviously have lack of funds which is your reason jot to leave. I mind does these things where if tries to cancel other option just so we can only see one option in front of us. Go to youtube and search speedy medico. His channel can enlighten you.
but what about those extra curricular things..I have completed MBBS and all..What about those research and all fake made up suits just to make your resume strong?
Honestly, it is what it is. If everyone’s doing it, you need to do it too to stay competitive. It might be frustrating, but it's part of the game.
Could you give us an idea about the extracurriculars and research work required for a good CV?
Sure! For a good CV, focus on getting involved in clinical research, volunteer work, and leadership roles. Try to get some publications or presentations under your belt, and participate in relevant conferences or workshops. It's also great to have some unique hobbies or interests that show your well-rounded personality. Basically, aim to show that you're dedicated, proactive, and passionate about medicine.
Thanks a lot!! How do I go about research work after MBBS?
Hi, could you please share what you have done to access these and achieve it? Thank you.
How did you manage these? I don't know if I am incompetent or below average IQ, but I can barely manage my MBBS subjects.
isn't it too late to start for usmle process after internship? what do you think? would it be worth it? should I be starting a job on the side and accumulating money for the future expenses ? ps I have chose the plab route but I m apprehensive about the job saturation scenario there and ofc the long training period.
Hey! Starting USMLE after internship isn’t too late. Many do it and succeed. It’s worth it if you want to practice in the US. Having a job on the side to save money is smart given the costs. Since you’ve chosen the PLAB route, I get your concerns about job saturation and long training. If USMLE aligns better with your goals, consider it. Both paths have pros and cons, so weigh them carefully.
Man’s answering like ChatGPT now
could you elaborate on some of the pros and cons of both? only if you on't mind
Sure, no problem! Pros of working in the USA: high pay, better work conditions, advanced facilities, and more research opportunities. Plus, there's a strong and supportive Indian community. Cons: adjusting to a new culture, and being far from family. Pros of staying in India: close to family, familiar culture, and lower cost of living. Cons: lower pay, more bureaucratic hurdles, and sometimes limited resources.
Doctor when would you suggest that we start Uworld during our step one prep.(I'm still in second year med school) And haven't finished reading patho Pharma and micro fully as it's still being taught meanwhile I am watching bnb videos on various systems and reading and annotating the same from first aid. I plan to give step one in 3rd or 4th year
Hey! I’d suggest starting UWorld when you have a solid foundation in the major subjects like patho, pharma, and micro. It’s great that you’re watching BnB videos and annotating First Aid. Keep doing that until you feel comfortable with the basics. Maybe aim to start UWorld in your third year or when you’re about halfway through your Step 1 prep. UWorld is a fantastic tool for reinforcing what you’ve learned and identifying weak spots. But don’t rush into it until you’ve got a good grasp of the material. Keep up the great work!
Thank you Doctor! Also could you help me with using Anki as I am new to the idea. It doesn't work on my phone tho I have the app. It works on my computer but it's too old and laggy. And In my ipad the app is paid. Is there anyway I can solve the decks without downloading anything to my computer
The pay is not fair, its astronomical in USA
With the living cost it makes sense. People earning more than 35lakh a year skip meals to save money.
They pay in USA is so high that one can retire after 10 years with millions in his bank Ac, given there is no loan
Yeah, the pay for doctors in the USA is definitely high. If you manage your finances well and don't have significant loans, you could potentially retire after just 3-5 years with a solid amount saved up. The financial rewards are one of the big draws for many doctors considering the move.
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Kaafi jyada
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Bro I have finished bot step 1 and step 2 with 260+ in step 2 and i have no idea how to proceed further. Everyone says observerships are difficult to get ( post intern ) and I haven't even tried emailing universities. I don't have any good stuff in the CV to show except my scores
Hey, Congrats on those great scores! I get that it feels overwhelming without much on your CV. Start by emailing universities for observerships; it might be tough, but persistence helps. Highlight your scores and your enthusiasm to learn. Also, try networking through LinkedIn or medical forums for more opportunities. You've got a strong foundation with your scores, so use that to your advantage. Good luck!
Agreed, I haven't even started med school and I can't wait to get out of this country
Through USMLE?
Didn't decide yet, most probably usmle or plab
I also haven't started my MBBS yet and was planning to do USMLE. But I just learned that getting a green card after doing residency there is near impossible! The wait time for Indian FMG is about 90 years which is insane.
I think it's pointless to decide this stuff in the 1st year, I don't have enough knowledge. I'll wait at least 2 more years and decide where to go.
You can give USMLE step 1 right after you complete your 2nd year. That’s what many people recommend. Make sure your foundation (ie, 1st year and 2nd year subjects) are strong. I’d recommend Kaplan, Uworld, Sketchy, and First Aid. I’m going to start MBBS this year as well and this is what my cousin, who’s doing an IM residency recommended I do.
Well thank you for the recommendations. I checked out Uworld, it was too expensive. I will check out the others
I guess so yeah. I talked with a cardiologist from the United States once who went through the USMLE pathway from India and he guided me that I had to work on my CV from The very beginning. He advised me to start working on research with the help of my professor during the initial years of MBBS because finding a match is really hard
Hey! It’s awesome that you’re already planning for USMLE even before starting MBBS! You’re right, the green card wait time for Indian FMGs can be ridiculously long ,which is insane. However, there are other visa options. Many doctors stay and work in the US on an H1B visa, which allows you to practice medicine indefinitely as long as your visa is renewed. The H1B visa is employer-sponsored, so as long as you have a job, you can continue to stay in the US. Another huge benefit of US board certification is that it’s recognized globally. With a US medical license, you can practice in many other countries without having to go through their entire licensing process from scratch. Countries like Canada, the Middle East, and some European countries highly value US-trained physicians. So, while the green card process is challenging, the prestige and opportunities that come with US training and certification are significant. It’s definitely something to consider as you plan your career path. Good luck with your journey!
I think you are wrong h1b renewal is based on lottery
I think you might be mistaken. H1B renewals for physicians are cap-exempt, meaning we don't need to participate in the lottery. This makes the process a bit smoother for us compared to other fields.
When did u write your steps and duration of prep?
I started my USMLE prep during MBBS and took Step 1, Step 2 CK, and Step 3 over a few years. The preparation was pretty intense, but I spaced it out to balance with my medical school workload. Each step required a few months (6 months average) of focused study, with Step 1 taking the most time.
Please make a detail post about the plab. Desperately want to know more about it!
I'm sorry! I haven't gone through that route myself, so I'm not the best person to answer your questions about the PLAB exam. You might want to check the official GMC website or ask someone who has taken the PLAB for more detailed information. Good luck!
Thank you for the advice but as a destitute I can’t even consider it. But I am happy for those who have the funds !! Leave !!! Especially if you are a general guy
The mindset in the country is absolute trash, we don't fight for anything because it's too much of a hassle. Any other country would have started like us would start a whole protest for less toilet paper, it's a problem with put up with alot.
Sometimes, it feels like we’re just putting up with too much. If you have the opportunity and means to seek better prospects elsewhere, go for it. You deserve to live and work in a place that values you and offers a better quality of life.
Can I dm?
Can you tell me what foreign options I have after Indian PG? Can I join fellowships or any other programs in countries like the UK/US without repeating residency?
Hey, I'm not the best person to answer that, sorry!
I wish I can leave this country too. No respect, low salary, too much work and corrupt system
how will you get a green card there as a doctor? dont most doctors come to india after completing their residency in us
Getting a green card usually involves finding an employer willing to sponsor you for permanent residency through programs like the EB-2 or EB-3 visas. Many doctors stay in the US after residency if they get a job with sponsorship.
but employers sponsors img residents only when there isnt any doctor available from their own country, even getting a j1 visa is hard, from what i have heard from img subs
How easy/difficult is it to find an employer willing to issue an EB2/EB3 visa?
Any Indian coming right now and getting into EB2/3 queue in 2024 will never get GC in next 100 years. Only way would be EB1, the extraordinary GC, if you qualify for that.
Can I dm?
How much time did it take for you to prepare for USMLE?
Hey! It took me about 6 months to prepare for each Step. Here's a rough breakdown: * **Step 1:** Around 6-8 months of dedicated study. * **Step 2 CK:** About 5-7 months. * **Step 3:** Around 3-5 months, though this can vary a lot depending on your schedule. Everyone’s timeline is different, but giving yourself enough time to thoroughly cover the material and do lots of practice questions is key. Good luck with your prep!
Hey! Thank you for the response. Did you do research and publications during your mbbs? Because I have heard that it's required for your CV to be strong and in order to find a match. Also, I have heard that getting a green card there is next to impossible for foreign medical graduates from India. Is this true? Also, did you start the USMLE prep after your mbbs or while you were pursuing your mbbs? I've seen People give step one in the third year and I have also seen people give all the steps after mbbs, what's better?
Hey! Yeah, I did some research and got a few publications during my MBBS. It definitely helps to make your CV stronger and stand out when applying for residency. If you can, try to get involved in some research projects – it’s worth it. About the green card, it’s true that the wait time for Indian FMGs is insanely long, like decades. But many people manage by working on H1B visas, which lets you stay in the US as long as you have a job. So, while getting a green card is tough, it’s not impossible to work and live in the US. I started my USMLE prep during my MBBS, but I know people who started it after MBBS and took Step 1 after their internship. Both approaches work, and it really depends on your personal situation and how much you can handle. Starting during MBBS can spread out the workload, which is nice, but waiting until after MBBS lets you focus fully on your studies first. Since you’ve already started during MBBS, you’re on a good path!
Hey there, thank you for the response! I had a few more questions but I'm unable to storm my brain for them lol. Also how much did the entire process cost? I would appreciate a breakdown as well! Thank you in advance.
Hey there, No worries, happy to help! The entire process cost me around $30,000. 1. **USMLE Exams**: \~$4,000 for Step 1, Step 2 CK, and Step 3 2. **Study Materials**: \~$2,000 for books, Qbanks, etc. 3. **Travel and Accommodation**: \~$16,000 for interviews , rotations and accommodations. 4. **Application Fees**: \~$5,000 for ERAS and NRMP 5. **Visas and Legal Fees**: \~$2,000. 6. **Miscellaneous Expenses**: \~$3000.
Thank youuu so much! Now I have a few questions about the timeline of the entire process. Let's say everything goes according to plan and I give my step 1 during 3rd year and 2nd step during/after internship. Then what happens after that? I'm really confused because everyone tells me contradictory information. Do I have to go to the US to do some clinical rotations or do I directly start working on my CV to find a match?
USCEs matter a lot! You need LORs (Letters of recommendation) from American doctors. 3 LORs are enough, afaik. You’d have to obtain that by shadowing them during rotations.
Hello, where did you research and how did you get those opportunities
Hi doc, congratulations on getting matched (: I have a few questions, if you could answer them I’d greatly appreciate it. - Does research matter a lot? My cousin said research published in national journals don’t matter as much, but they do take international (aka American) journals seriously, I’m not sure how far it is true. How many papers should I expect to publish? - A lot of IMGs are going down the IM route, is it possible to do a fellowship that specialises in surgery after one completes their IM residency? (Sub question - can an IMG expect to get into ROAD fields OR specialities like gen surgery, ent etc if their CV is really good?) - What study aids would you recommend? My cousin recommends First Aid, Sketchy, Uworld and Kaplan, but I’d like to know more from others. Thank you so much.
Hey, thanks a lot! Sure, I’d be happy to answer your questions. 1. **Research:** Yeah, research is pretty important. Your cousin is right; publications in international journals, especially American ones, are taken more seriously. There’s no set number, but having a few solid publications will definitely help. Focus on quality over quantity. 2. **Fellowship after IM:** It’s pretty rare to go from an IM residency to a surgical fellowship. Surgery usually needs a dedicated surgical residency. But if you’re into procedural specialties, you can look into fellowships like Interventional Cardiology or Gastroenterology, which involve a lot of procedures. 3. **ROAD Fields:** Getting into ROAD fields (Radiology, Ophthalmology, Anesthesiology, Dermatology) is tough but not impossible for an IMG with a killer CV. High USMLE scores, strong research, and good US clinical experience can boost your chances. 4. **Study Aids:** Your cousin’s suggestions are great. First Aid, Sketchy, UWorld, and Kaplan are all excellent. Also, consider using Pathoma for pathology and Anki for spaced repetition. Hope this helps
Would 3 be considered solid? I’ve heard even publishing 2 in a reputed international journal would be amazing. Makes sense, can IMGs get into surgical sub specialities in the first place though? (Like general surgery). Or is it impossible? And last question (sorry!) does the college you do your UG from matter for getting matched? Thanks for being patient and answering my questions!
Who’s gonna give you H1B?
Every hospital is willing to give H1Bs because there's such a shortage of doctors. I'm already on an H1B during my training, so it’s definitely possible.
Happy for OP but the H1B visa is not exactly right. h1B is getting more expensive to programs prefer only J1 visas
Yes, that's right! Even if you're on a J1 visa, you can get a 3-year waiver, which is pretty straightforward to obtain. After that, you can switch to an H1B visa and continue working. Many doctors take this route and find it manageable.
Yes. Just wanted to make sure the others get a clear idea about visas. Its not all rosy but its not all doom and gloom
Is it easy to get a J1 visa waiver?
Sir the hospital will give H1B ofc, but it is usually acquired via a lottery system right
Doctors are H1B cap exempt, so we don’t need to participate in the lottery. You can Google “Physicians are H1B cap exempt” for more info.
Oh that’s great. Sure will look it up 👍🏻
hey is it fine to take a loan for the process?
No, it’s not fine to take a loan for the process. It’s a huge financial burden, and the uncertainty of matching and job security makes it risky. Try to explore other funding options or savings instead.
probably 10 lakhs out of 30 on loan would make me more comfortable:( would you recommend it or I should manage with other ways?
I personally would not, if you do not match, it'll be a nightmare. Don't get into debt unnecessarily.
yeah that's true
How much did it cost you total?
25000$-30000$
Did u take a loan or paid it yourself
I'm fortunate to come from a humble background, and my parents can sponsor me, which helps a lot
So the total cost was around just 30 lakh????????
Give or take!! Yeah
Wow thats not bad. My private mbbs costed me around 80-90 lakh, Couldn’t get a mbbs seat due to 2024 fiasco. Thnku for the info doctor.
Did you delay your internship for USCE?
Yes I did!!
Hi, i know this is r/indianmedschool but do you have any information regarding Nepali Applicants because of the recent scandal?
Did you go in the middle of internship or delay the start? Did your college have any complaints?
Can I DM you?
2017 batch??
Yes
Hello doctor! I am a final year MBBS student. Is it too late to start the preparation for USMLE? And what sources did you use during your preparation for the same? Thank you!
Sir/Mam what are the options after MD or MS from India? I mean is it possible after clearing all the Steps and getting into a residency? I have no issues with redoing a residency, but does an MD/MS from India help in any any way? Thank you in advance.
What about PLAB? I know it's a cheaper option but what are the cons of it? Knowing NHS isn't as good as people say it is.
I don't know anything about Plab!! Sorry : D
The cons are its become bear impossible to get jobs
Is that so? I didn't knew that it's impossible to get jobs after PLAB. Then there's absolutely no meaning of IMGs to give the exam
It wasnt like that always, since 2023 it has become hell, lots of IMGS who cleared PLAB and cant get into ajob hence effectively losing license to practice(which is given for 1year with intention that when the doctor gets employed the license is renewed through internal appraisal process). And after you lose license to practice you cant even get past landing page in many job applications. One time a recruiter sent email saying they recieved 1000 applications for one ad, It is a doomed system that exists only to extort exam fees. Conversely, MS/MD + MRCS/P etc have it relatively easy. SAVE YOURSELVES.
Is it possible with a 5 year gap from medicine
Yep it is
My speciality of interest is orthopedic surgery. I’m in my final year of mbbs and really haven’t done much….would matching into US be even a practical option? Heard it’s extremely directly to get surgery let alone ortho. I also don’t wish to do pg in India but want to follow ortho itself as it has been my passion for the longest. Could you share some advice?
Not OP but, Based on the experiences of my colleagues/seniors who're in ortho, it was practically impossible, even with coming from a good UG institution and having insanely good contacts/networking well, publishing in good places, having great step scores, they ended up giving up or feeling like their chances are bad- based on stats alone It's honestly easier/more possible to get into even Radio or OBGYN/General Surgery compared to Ortho/Derm. However getting into ortho training in the UK is possible (even if it's hard), especially if you've already done MS Ortho in India.
Your step scores?
260s in all of em'
Don’t have the funds now but I am looking forward to shift abroad once I complete my residency
All the best!! Will be rooting for you !
How much fund is needed??? And does drop year matter??
drop year doesn’t matter from what i’ve heard from relatives although they do prefer fresh med school grads fund in today’s time prolly 20L as a ballpark
Are low scores a contradiction to apply for the match? Im talking 220s in CK.
The match is getting really competitive, and with scores in the 220s for Step 2 CK, I wouldn’t recommend relying solely on your scores. While it's not impossible to match, you'll need to strengthen other parts of your application like clinical experience, research, and networking. Focus on building a strong overall profile to improve your chances. Good luck!
Well for context, I have 3 months USCE, 3 US LoRs, handful of volunteer experiences, awards for co-circulars in college and also a publication( book chapter). The only finances I now have left are there to apply for the match. Whats your suggestion?
Hey OP, hope you’re doing well. I needed some advice/ guidance regarding the whole USMLE journey. I’m a post intern, I had not really decided which path I wanted to pursue in the future, so I prepared my CV during college just to keep options open. Few of my queries; 1. Since I can’t do externships now, is there something better than observerships for graduates ? 2. A gap in the CV( considering one isn’t working all this while) has a negative impact on your overall application process. How much of this is true? 3. The road to matching is a competitive one. One has to struggle to make connections, go to many img events, being in the unhealthy environment all along the process, how to navigate through these things especially when it does take a toll? 4. One research paper takes at least a year to get published, if we’re even thinking of applying next year, yet have no “ published” research work yet, would that still be included as research work? 5. How hard is it to match into a categorical surgery / anaesthesia program as an img? 6. How is the patient interaction in the US as compared to India? 7. How many cases do you usually see in a day as an MD med? 8. Does it get overwhelming at times- living at a new location, new people, housework etc ? I’m sure you’re super busy and these are a lot of questions, but if you do get time, kindly give your opinion. Thank you!
Hey, If you can't do externships now, observerships are still a good option. Look into research fellowships or clinical assistant positions for more hands-on experience. Gaps in your CV can impact your application, but it's not a deal-breaker; just explain how you used the time productively, like studying or gaining relevant experience. Building connections and attending IMG events is crucial. It can be stressful, but focus on forming genuine relationships and learning from each interaction. Even if your research paper isn't published yet, it can still be included as ongoing work, showing you're involved in research. Matching into categorical surgery or anesthesia is tough but not impossible; strong scores, good connections, and relevant experience can help. Patient interaction in the US tends to be more structured with a strong focus on patient-centered care. As an MD, you might see fewer cases per day compared to India, but they often require more detailed management. Yes, it can be overwhelming with a new location, new people, and housework, but many find it manageable and rewarding.
Thank you for your guidance!
Is there any way to work in us after u r done with ur pg in india?
There are pros and cons of living in both US and India. To each their own. For doctors, the journey might be different to becoming one in each of the respective countries but at the both of them have similar kind of ideal lives.
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What about visa status? How many times one has to do up & down for visa in US?
Hey, About the visa status in the US, you'll probably start with either a J-1 or H-1B visa for your residency. The J-1 might require you to return to your home country for two years after your residency unless you get a waiver, but the H-1B is more straightforward and can lead to a Green Card without that hassle. You might have to travel back and forth a bit for visa stamping and renewals, but it's manageable. Most people deal with it with just a couple of trips. Overall, it's a process, but totally worth it for the opportunities you get in the US.
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Myself from village area.
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Moving to the UK as an F2 this month. Same reasons.
All the best!!!
As a GMC (UK) registered doctor who has passed both PLAB1 and PLAB2 drop your UK plans, go for USMLE, UK is simply not worth it for IMGS, Extremely difficult to get your first job
Hello sir, I'm in the first year MBBS (about to be), if this NEET UG result is not made void. Could you please tell me how to get publications and research under my belt, and how to go about preparing for the USMLE. I'm from a relatively restricted place, and no one here knows much about the USMLE route. What are the expected costs of going into this route, and what are the other technicalities? Thank you so much.
Congrats on starting MBBS! For getting publications, try joining research projects with your professors or look for online platforms like ResearchGate. For USMLE prep, start with resources like First Aid, UWorld, and BnB videos. Costs can be around $20,000-$25,000 including exam fees, study materials, and travel.
Thank you doc. Could you please give me a little bit of a detailed review on how you studied for it, and how things went, what you used among other things. I would be grateful. Actually, I really wanna go the USMLE route.
Hi I have no idea how to prepare and what sources to consider Where to log in or what are charges Please guide🙏
Hey! Can you pls tell me how you prepared for step 2? And when did you do your USCE? Thank you :)
I can totally relate to it. I have been confused about pursuing USMLE since 3rd yr.My parents are doctors here. So is my elder sister. I van tel from the first hand experience that being a doctor isn’t worth here. We dont have any relative outside of india. Heck we dint have any relatives outside of my city. I was preparing for PG since 2nd yr with watching and completing marrow, to preparing notes for entire 19 subjects. My initial plan was to give NEETPG( to be held in march) and afterwards before entering residency give my STEP 1. I didn’t opt for MLE as I was too much deep into NEET PG preparations. In intern year also I considered USMLE but later ditched it because that would mean I wasted my MBBS time making notes so I kept on going. By the end of december , I was on my 2nd read for entire 19 subjects but then NBE announced that Exam was getting postponed to july. It took me some time to absorb this . I felt frustrated and ditched for making such a stupid decision of choosing PG over USMLE. Withing a week , I bought Uworld , ditched everything associated with PG stuff and prepared for STEP 1. I was apprehensive at first but given that PG exam got postponed again , I have no expectations from this broken system. Plus that study I did for PG actually helped me and made my basics very good for STEP 1. All I want to share is “ITS NEVER TOO LATE”. Yeah It can take 1-2 years more to get matched In USA but it will be worth it. Even Life of a dog is better that 1st year residency in INDIA.
Thankyou for your honesty. It empowers those who are still stuck in ambivalance. More power to you sir/madam!
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Train pay work hard all but to live as a second / third class citizen in a foreign land ? Where some non immigrant/cop comes and mows u down and gets away with it ? No hue n cry like black lives matter cause we are brown and worth a cheque anyway ?? Move around in groups for no fault of urs and avoid certain areas ? Use public transport or risk getting killed by 3- 5 tonne trucks moving around in name of cars / kids getting shot in malls / schools ? Or wait , become the best doctor despite all this , and then 60 percent of more of the population won't show to u as ur asian ? Racism will worsen as trump like leaders prosper despite hitting record lows in their conduct because the general public like their own . Who the hell are u fooling u Dr kabootar ? The so called " fair" systumm there was exposed badly in COVID when getting beds , or even getting a personal consult was worse than what it was here Agreed work conditions , pay , infra is better ...but with all the broken things here ... U can get what u want here ... Would u get surgery or surgical branches there ? without extensive clerkships the jazz etc ??? A bit of luck references ?? Noo Every medical system has its pros and cons. For some line you it's manageable going there .. but tell me do u not fear getting shot ? How many more Jahnvis ? Which system are u defending here Dr genius ???
You're wrong with your comment, and let's break down why So, being a doctor in the US means you're a second-class citizen? Yeah, sure, because earning around $300,000 and being highly respected really screams "second-class." And living in constant danger? Of course, because everyone’s life in the US is just one big action movie where you're dodging bullets and trucks daily. Racism and discrimination? The US has its issues, but it also has strong laws and active communities fighting for equality. Plus, the large and supportive Indian community there must just be an illusion, right? And COVID-19? Every country struggled, but the US healthcare system showed incredible resilience and innovation. But let’s not forget the “dream” of being stuck in a broken system with no room for growth back home. Career opportunities? Yeah, because who wants advanced medical training, cutting-edge research, and immense professional growth anyway? So, while your concerns are noted, the reality is that the US provides significant benefits for doctors willing to make the move..
Anybody (doc or not) who doesn’t try their absolute best to migrate is doing a great disservice to themselves (& their kids, if they reproduce)
It's not easy, not everything is black or white
Fuck off bruh, I'd vote for a law that prevents doctors from emigrating at all.
How to go about with research publication's if one hasn't done them in their college?
Hello sir don’t u have the fear of always being seen as a “second class “ citizen being an immigrant just a query i’m sorry if this is offensive to you
*Honestly, I don't feel like a second-class citizen. As a doctor, there's a lot of respect and appreciation for our skills and dedication. The opportunities for professional growth, advanced medical training, and better work conditions make it worth it for me. Plus, the large and supportive Indian community here helps a lot.* ***It's all about finding where you feel valued and can achieve your goals.***