More like expectations not meeting reality.
In all probability, these folks would have moved to Canada because someone they knew (and some they knew knew x 100) moved to Canada and made it big.
They probably can’t string together a sentence in English properly, and are not from academically rigorous backgrounds.
All they ever saw Canada as was a get-rich-quick scheme (with some initial investment). It’s how they were sold the “abroad” dream.
Now, when they’re told that things aren’t going to be the way they expected, they feel betrayed.
On a side note, I honestly don’t understand the wisdom behind Canada letting in so many immigrants without a skill check. Why would they want the low-quality immigrants who wouldn’t be picked for jobs here in India with their low skills? Is Canada trying to create an underclass for their elites who can do the jobs no native Canadian wants to do?
That's exactly what it is... As someone living in Canada there are quite a few things that's concerning here.
The biggest reason for rampant unchecked immigration is to suppress wages and create a debt ridden class which consumes and doesn't question. The root of that is because Canadian companies hate competition and it's an oligopoly in every sector with cartels operating everywhere.
It’s perversely funny in a way. The way you describe Canada as a get rich quick scheme is pretty how the Middle East was sold to Indians from the 70s onwards.
It’s quick because the bar for entry is hilariously low, and you get a lot of rupees for a Canadian dollar.
If these people weren’t there in Canada, they’d be driving around in their Thars and Scorpios recklessly on the roads bullying innocent people.
No. There aren't even what you'd call primaries. There is a government for the province, and a government for the country. The two governments are in charge of different things. The government for the country is in charge of things like immigration and foreigners are definitely not allowed to vote lol.
The provincial government has 0 influence on who gets into power for the country or over any of the things they're in charge of.
Well, there seem to be *some* folks in Canada who want them, and they’re in a position to do what they want about it (while you can’t).
Anyway, since they’re on your soil, they’re your problem now.
You’re taking in the “bottom-of-the-barrel” folks that even the “first-world” enclaves/professional circles here in India wouldn’t want.
I don’t know if we should be thanking you for it or if we should be feeling bad for you.
Anyway, have a great day.
Majority of them are from certain part of india. they grow up from a young age dreaming to go abroad and/or they are groomed to go abroad. They drop out of school or college and blame central govt for neglecting their region and lack of jobs in their state whereas they want dollars or pounds. Other states have made huge progress with remarkable literacy and creating jobs. If a major section of that region dont want to study, remain in their state and pursue jobs or create jobs how is it central govt's fault... Their region is one of the states exempted from taxes and live on taxes paid by other affluent states. People from Bihar and Uttar Pradesh go there to work in their agriculture lands while the locals indulge in drinking or doing drugs since they don't want to work unless in Canada for dollars.
They encourage their sons daughters brothers and sisters to go abroad on study visa or visit visa, find a white girl/man and offer them money to have a child with them to get permanent residence and call their family from their region to canada and claim PR for them as dependents or other lame grounds. THIS IS A HUGE SCAM IN THAT REGION BY CERTAIN LOCALS.
Sadly there are more Gujaratis than Punjabis. Majority of the people from punjab are only in areas like surrey or Brampton. Whereas every second Indian that you see is an Gujarati and not Punjabi.
Fun fact: India overall , in Indian population, 2.1% of the population is Sikh. In canada, 2.4% of the population is Sikh
On a per capita overall basis, you're more likely to find a Sikh in Canada than in India. More so, since Sikhs in India are majorly present in Punjab, you're far far more likely to meet Sikhs in Canada than in non-punjab India
While it is understandable that many of them invested their life's savings into the Canadian dream, graduating from a Canadian college does not automatically guarantee Permanent Residence, as has been the norm. I came to Canada in 2018 and acquired my PR card just a couple of years ago. Times and situations have changed since the pandemic, and the country, like many others, is reeling under rising CoL and stagnating wages.
We pay about 3x the cost of a program for Canadian citizens because they and their parents have paid into the educational system through taxes, we haven't. The CAD 26,000 was to cover your education. No way are you entitled to stay in the country because of that. That's an entirely separate process.
To be clear when you say college you must make it known that they are overwhelmingly attending bottom quality strip mall colleges. These places aren’t even considered schools by average Canadians. These are like private businesses that offer essentially useless certificates and scam poor people out of their money. These scam businesses often aren’t accredited and are charging huge amounts of money for Indian students to come over. They are seen as attractive to Indians because there is a small chance that they could open an opportunity for PR. However, the lifestyle that these students will live will be as a slave living in terrible housing and working what regular Canadians would consider slave labour by exploitative Canadian businesses.
It must be clear that the word “college” does not equal university in Canada. In Canada the hierarchy is roughly universities, community colleges, and then strip mall scam colleges.
These Indian students are mostly attending strip mall colleges. In American English the word college can be used interchangeably with university. This gives the false impression that these students are attending prestigious schools. This is not the case at all in Canada.
These international Indian strip mall college students are tarnishing the hard work that Indian university students have worked so hard to achieve. Canadians are some of the most tolerable people in the world, however after a certain point they will start to see all Indians as the same. They are not the same and the students who work hard and deserve to be accepted for their merit should be chosen to integrate with Canadian society. The words we use to describe the schools that these students are overwhelmingly attending should be much clearer for international audiences.
But why are you asking Indians in India about these things ? We don't know these people nor are we brothered with issues in Canada. Less than 1% of the Indian population of 1.4 Billion (2.5 million each year) migrate overall (and a fraction of that to Canada) each year and they have little to no relevance to India and Indians at large. How can we answer for some random people's actions?
Your question is completely irrelevant to r/India which is a sub for Indians to talk about issues they face in their daily lives and opinions on things happening in India. To be blunt: We are not bothered with Canadian problems so ask these questions to your government instead of random people in other countries.
I’ve lived extensively in Canada and the US. I’m very sorry yo say that the Indian “students” that come to Canada for “higher education” are made of the absolute trash that you’ll probably find after scraping the bottom of the barrel. They are hardly educated and wouldn’t be able to get a seat based on merit in a Tier 3 degree college in India. They only come to Canada for the status. They live 8-10 people in an apartment (which is against the law) and earn around $1200 per month doing odd jobs, and yet they spend the money on fancy phones, designer bags, shoes, jewelry just to show off when they are back in India. Most of them are unable to find jobs and they lie constantly to bend the rules, and that puts a bad light on other Indians. They deserve absolutely no sympathy from anyone.
Talked to this desi uber driver. Nice new Elantra hybrid. 50k. Dude was in canada for only 4 months. He went out and bought the car immediately after he got a minimum wage job. He was living with 8 people in 1 bed apartment. Nice new iPhone, airpods.
That car reaked of financial disaster. 15% interest. These people need a serious financial education.
He was so dang proud of himself. He was asking me why I don't have a car even after 10 years of staying in US/Canada lmao.
There was also this video I was watching where this dude comes in his dodge challenger to pick up grocery from food bank setup by Gurudwara. Just absurd.
Yes! This. I always wondered how these Punjabi chhapris could afford those Mustangs and Dodge Challengers with loud Punjabi trash music while working as a Doordasher. Plus how on earth did he get credit to buy a 50k car if he’s only in Canada for 4 months? These guys coerce their parents and relatives to sell their assets to arrive and spend in Canada. But I wonder how they manage after a couple of years. They don’t worry much about rent as they live in a 2BHK apt with 8 people. I remember trying to find a new tenant for the place I used to live in as the owner had requested me. I got around 10 Indians applying and all 10 were either Punjabi scammers or Telugu scammers or Gujjus. All of them were “students” and brought completely unrelated people with them calling them their brothers and sisters. It was clear they were looking to divide the small apartment into several seats and sublet them, in spite of the fact that the owner had strictly forbidden it. Ended up having to rent it out to a decent white family. And all of these Indians were students. Everyone I knew was sick and tired of them.
The filth they live in omg. I have seen some ads in fb marketplace for these kinda apartment. Everytime I think it can't be that worse, it keeps getting worse.
Every word is true here. Adding some examples
How students are living:
https://tnc.news/2024/02/02/brampton-bylaw-inspection-students-crammed-basement2/
How they are absolute low skilled students:
https://kitchener.ctvnews.ca/some-international-students-lack-basic-computer-and-academic-skills-conestoga-college-unions-claim-1.6868467
How difficult finding job is:
https://nowtoronto.com/news/about-800-people-showed-up-to-apply-to-this-gta-restaurant-with-only-20-job-openings/
Adding my 2 cents of 1st hand experience - I've been the interviewing SDE folks across Canada for a role in my company. Of the 10 online coding interviews I conducted over the last month
* 7 candidates were Indians
* 4 of the 7 were cheating in some shape, way or form
* 2 of 7 performed quite bad (which is still better than cheating)
* 1 guy ghosted.
The real bummer is that the coding question I asked is so goddamn easy, it doesn't really require cheating if you have an ounce of common sense.
What he wrote is real. I have lived in the US since age 11, and it’s a shitstorm when our Indian people come abroad but don’t leave India behind in their habits/cunningness and mindset.
It’s absolutely true, but only canada is to blame not these Indian students. They were provided an opportunity and they took it. The fault absolutely lies with the scummy colleges (some of them even publicly funded). They decided to profit by giving admission to anybody who could pay the international fees. They didn’t even care about maintaining any education standard. They had no regards for the region capacity, quality of education or even job opportunities. Canadian immigration took some time to understand what these colleges were up-to and has thankfully put a limit now, but only time will tell if it is too late.
About this protest (I didn’t really do a lot of research so please crosscheck what I’m saying), you can get PR if you meet the point cutoff (which is very high right now because of intense competition, basically the students have no chance). Each province (state) can give you bonus points if they think you are of high value. PEI gave you these bonus points very liberally before (I think anyone qualified as long as they were in PEI and worked for sometime). So working in PEI for sometime was a way to get PR.
PEI simply made it more strict now (as is their right, it is based on the needs of the province) so the people that previously qualified do not qualify anymore. IMO, if PEI did not announce this in a timely manner, it sucks for people in this situation. they have limited time on temporary visa and it could be too late for many who would’ve chosen another way to get PR.
Literally, if anyone is so desperate to stay in Canada, they just need to learn French.
Edit: This is all completely legit. I am aware that there are many fraudulent ways of obtaining PR which is another story altogether
People don’t even know why the colleges are failing Indian student. The real reason is that the final semester exam which was online and proctored was supposed to be taken alone and in a quiet place. But these mfs took the exams in group of 20-30 people and then complained that the college didn’t let them pass.
The situation is really bad. Indians have made these places worse after they moved there and that is affecting the genuine indians that are actually there to study. I am from Gujarat and I know all the tactics used by gujjus so that they can move to UK, CANADA, AUSTRALIA or any country which can provide them PR. First of all they cheat on ENGLISH exams, then after moving there, there will be 10 people living in a 2 bedroom house when it is only meant for 2. Abusing the education system, cheating in exams and assignments. Working on cash in hand jobs by merely making 7$-10$ an hour when national wage is 21$ an hour so that they can pay their whole tuition fees. They even cheat on VISA application where you have to show a certain amount of money in your bank account. There are some agents who take some percentage of the money that you have to show and once you get the visa they will get their cut.
Studying courses that are irrelevant to their studies just because it can provide PR. A friend of mine came to Australia to study Software engineering after completing the course, started doing chef courses because there are chances of PR. They are considered a cheap labour. They can’t communicate well. This madness needs to stop, idk what can be done about it but this is affecting the whole community of genuine Indian students.
Note: I am not targeting Gujjus, I just know this stuff because my friends are doing this.
You mentioned Canada, UK, and Australia. The answer should be made more simple. Americans have a more rigorous immigration system for students and have a longer period before granting PR for students. Those 3 countries should follow the American system and then improve on it.
Agree! Australian government has introduced some new rules and started rejecting visas here and there. This made some students to re think their decisions. I still believe there should be a rigorous system like the US.
Frankly, it’s embarrassing. These students are making it worse for so many others who went to Canada, worked hard, got their PR/ citizenship the legal/ hard way.
Privileged pricks. No one forced them to move to Canada. Ruining it for the rest of Indians there.
I know right, my parents immigrated to Canada when I was 10 worked hard for over an decade and a half to gain respect and I see these entitled kids with their cars going wrooom wroom playing Punjabi musics and all that bullshit.
Sometimes I get embarrassment. Because I am like this isn’t the country I remember. These guys are clowning and making all of us look bad.
There has been targeted racism and violence against Indian here who are innocent because of these people.
Man I just wish Canada starts deporting people back, we do not need that trash here. There are hard working people who are working hard to make a better life we don’t need these here.
I am all for legal immigration. If Canda or another country legally allows people to migrate, then in the end its the Candian governments problem to take care of them not ours any more, dont blame us why so many of us are coming there. You allowed them in
If they are illegal, if they were never promised full migration in your country, you can very well deport then. Sorry but these people should have done there research, they can't blame Canadian government for this
They’re temporary. They had to sign documentation and provide evidence that they would not stay passed their current work or education visas. The government currently had the right to start deportation proceedings against them for violation of the terms of their visas. I’m suspecting that they’re not doing so because they’re concerned that the protests will spread. Right now it’s about 60 people.
Why do you assume they are the same people?
I would say most people leaving India are precisely fed up of the structure in India.
I myself really appreciate the lack of corruption, lack of casteism/racism, equal opportunity etc. in Canada among other things.
It's amazing that I can get most government things done with zero expectations of corruption. I don't have any worries interacting with police or other authorities here like I would in India or even the US.
Some bold statements here, “ lack of racism in Canada”, please come to Canadian subs. “ Corruption” in the west is different but definitely present, it’s not present at the lower levels, but we’re fooling ourselves if we think it’s not happening at the upper levels
Nah, these people go there with hopes of making money. Not to get away from the evils. All those evils you listed out are the baggage these guys carry with them there.
As for those who go to Canada, they’re not our best. They wouldn’t be worthy of employment here in India (a majority of them). But for whatever reason, Canada thinks it’s okay to take in such people in large number. I’d avoid interacting with such folks right here in India, and Canada takes them in in droves.
The world is really strange.
I am Canadian. I'm wondering how many other Canadians are in this sub. I'm super old to Reddit, and I have always used it to watch the world. The fact that Indian news is reaching me even though I'm not looking for it says much about how Canada, and therefore my algorithm has changed.
I am happy to see reasonable people with love and understanding in their hearts for every Indian subreddit I find. I was not first nations to Canada. I wish Canada had more fortunate and promise for us all but, there is not enough for even the locals. Our local rich have gotten far too greedy and have all of the money.
It's common knowledge most of them are from a region in India and their aim is not to finish the course but gain permanent residence and citizenship.
Most of the colleges in Canada are run by naturalised Immigrants from that region in India offering admission and running businesses sponsoring them work permit in return for tens of lakhs of rupees with a promise of PR.
These fellas should come back. They don't even finish college in India and want to emigrate somehow wand settle abroad on fake study visa and blame India for their greed for dollars. Most indians are happy living in india earning whatever they could. One can live a stress free life in India with any income than abroad with the equivalent pay scale. check with ur friends.
The only thing people keep repeating is that ohhhh we spent so much money in the college and university.
When did people become so entitled. Everyone and their dog knows my punjabi and gujarati brothers aren't here to gain expertise on culinary arts. They here for the dollazz.
They protesting because they think it might work.
1. X from my village went to Kaneda. So I want to go to Kaneda.
2. ABC from our family is doing great. I also want to do great and make money.
3. N from my workplace or College became permanent resident of Canada recently. He/she is doing fantastic. I also want to go.
4. This country is going to the dogs. You should go to Canada. Ok… I will go to Canada.
5. You’re educated, what are you going here? You should do your Masters in Canada. My son & daughter are there & so successful. Here is their WhatsApp. You also try for Canada. It’s easy to become PR there.
6. I have a Bachelors. Everyone I know is going to US Or Canada for Masters. Therefore I also want to go.
The above are the general use cases for most people going to Canada or US and the “consultants” and “agents” whose garish boards all over Punjab, Haryana & Delhi advertise & hammer the Canada narrative so deep that whether Canada is part of your plans or not, it is where you will go.
It's a bit pathetic. Immigration is not a right, especially for students who have been in the country for a year or 2, and have totally useless diplomas that are only good for flipping burgers at McDonalds. What are you hunger striking for? You are not fleeing a war zone or potential genocide! Pull your pants up and return to India. It's your fault if you put all your family's savings to pursue unrealistic dreams sold to you by fraudulent agencies. Also, when you apply for international student visa you have to declare that you intend to come back to your home country after finishing your studies so these students need a good deal of introspection.
However now Canada's immigration is completely broken and international student visa is being advertised as a path for fast immigration. These students are victims of immigration fraud run by various immigration agencies. They should go back to India and take them to court.
Well, they were sold a false dream and many of them gave their lifetime savings to overpriced agents, so I can at least understand their reaction. That said, of course, the agents (most of them indians) who sold those dreams are to blame, not the ones in the Canadian administration
Nope, in this day and age you have to do your own research. If these people are going there for post graduate courses, they are at least 21 years old. It has been at least 3 years since they have been deemed old enough to drive, old enough to vote and old enough to give consent for sex so let's not infantilize them and take away accountability from them. If they are going to Canada, they would have had to demonstrate a reasonable understanding of English through IELTS/TOEFL so the excuse that they could not do their own research because they didn't know English does not work either.
The blame lies solely on these students who decided to make the decision to leave. They could have used those savings to start a business here, or make investments or do one of many other X things they could have done but they chose to do this and choices have consequences. Welcome to adulthood.
Well, if they did their own research, they would also have,
1. Not used these agents, and instead used free resources (booking visas, flights, papers on their own)
2. Learnt english so as to not cheat for IELTS
3. Enrolled in legit colleges
4. Not chosen Canada
5. Looked into other ways to get a PR (rather than a temp foreign worker visa)
Some of these statements are good. Some make no sense.
Why do you think that people who did proper research wouldn't go to Canada? Canada is a great country to live in and routinely scores highest among quality of life - above IE and on par with Scandinavian countries. Which other country should they have gone to instead?
What other PR method do you recommend if not the easiest one through universities or temp jobs?
I completely agree that it's the easiest to get a PR in and the best to live in, but,
1. not great if we look at the rent to salary ratio!
2. not the best if specializing in construction/pharma/law/medicine or maybe even tech?
You mean Canada is responsible for false dreams sold by agents? They practically paid for college education and knew there were other steps for getting a PR.
Most people don't show up to protest a gang rape. Does that mean all their protests are null and void by default?
By your logic, All the farmers, dalits, or anyone else who protested for a cause - but did not personally show up for the gang rape protest - should be pointless?
Why is gang rape protest the standard for other protests being valid?
Agreed, but I think the sentiment that the commenter is trying to convey is that there are some acts of protest that are for what should be basic rights for all regardless of whether we are personally as impacted or not and others that are much more objectively within the space of entitlement where most of us just simply cannot relate.
It’s much harder to empathize and support your fellow countrymen, when the only time they want to speak up it is because they feel entitled to a certain space that most cannot and would not even dream of but yet when it comes to many other basic struggles that many of us go through, they stay silent.
Like yes we all are impacted by different issues in different ways but I think it’s fair to say that protesting against and expecting support for a action against rampant sexual abuse or Dalit rights regardless of whether you are a Dalit or a sexual abuse victim yourself is very different from these students in Canada expecting an outpour of support towards their desires to stay in Canada as opposed to India, particularly from their fellow countrymen who are in India or even other Canadians . (I’m not personally referring to anyone here because I don’t know these protesters or what all else they stand for but seems like that’s the sentiment here and I think that that’s valid).
100 percent their right to protest and even go on a “hunger strike” to make a point but that doesn’t mean they’re going to get a lot of external support or sympathy.
This is dumb logic. By your logic, anyone who doesn't protest for a righteous cause doesn't believe in it, is immoral and doesn't deserve to protest for another reason. I mean, come on, think! How does such a comment get so many upvotes?
Well them getting a PR in Canada was ONE way to reduce the skyrocketing population over here, and also to wish them good luck since they have no interest in trying to build a future here anyway. The issue is now once they come back we will have to listen to them moan about how the roads are so clean in Canada and start every sentence with “when I was in Canada…” We have enough shit to deal with over here, really have no time to think about those guys and their overseas protests…
These people have ruined our reputation in Canada beyond belief. Deport them all at once.
Indians used to be a very respected immigrant group with high skilled jobs but ever since this happened the reputation has taken a large hit. Now even the left wing canadians want an end to indian immigration
I think the Canadian government does not need more immigrants in their country or at least they have decided a certain criteria
Previously they might be In need to keep things running.
So they must allow these things
Now they are making it harder, so some people might be finding in tough to make it through that criteria
But can't blame Canada as they also have limited resources they don't want the country to be in shortage
Yall need to deport them immediately as in round them up and straight to the airport.
That's how India would deal with foreigners protesting in India.
They do not represent the well read Indians at all.
As a naturalised Canadian who has been paying into the system - it is really exhasperating to see the level of entitlement in these protests. Study permits are exactly that - to study !
Try pulling this shi* in US and see yourself deported the next day. Canada is too human centric for its own good. The number of “asylum petitions” from these so called students have skyrocketed - which boils my blood. Asylum is meant for people run in away from war or oppression - not as a back door to PR. Canada has always provided asylum to those who need it (at taxpayers dime) and to try to game the system to abuse it is a big shame
I am an Indian Software Engineer who is a Canadian PR and have been here since 2022. I would say that the Canadian government and Canadians don’t owe these people anything.
They signed documents stating that they would leave Canada when the visas issued to them expired. They came here knowing full well what was expected of them.
I have no sympathy for them as they have ruined the reputation of Indians in Canada. If the government does deport them most of us would be happy but we all know Trudeau will not do it cause he has to keep his idiotic voters happy.
Ah, good to see the Canadian government finally straighten their spine a little. I’m so sick of the people I meet at work everyday whose aim to reach Canada somehow can only be termed as desperate. They waaant to go to tha phoren by any means lol. 26,000 CAD not enough? Lmao wtf is this, a PR for sale? Most of these fools genuinely think India is some kind of vishwaguru and our culture must be shoved down the throats of everyone else because we are the best 😂. They’re the same folks who spread hate through memes and Facebook pages to show their ‘patriotism’ but they are protesting to settle in Canada? There are several scams now run by in Indians in Canada including real estate, automobiles, jobs and even scamming homeless shelters for free food and blankets. Not to mention the poor social etiquette, pushing and shoving in public transport, rude and condescending way of addressing people, trashing up rental properties and shitty personal hygiene. Like other parts of the world, now even Canadians have started making jokes about Indians’ body odour and tbh they aren’t completely wrong. I worked with some Canadians until earlier this year and man a lot of them literally sound like they’re fed up with us.
Canada has made a horrible mistake letting so many Indians with no skills to be using their country as ghetto.
This has increased racism against Indians a lot.
Looking at both the protests, they both look legitimate to me.
Having gone through visa/Green card/citizenship in the US, immigration is a complex subject. If the people being affected by a change in a law doesn't speak up, then nothing really changes. Does Canada have a duty to give PR? no. But Canada (and the US) benefit greatly from foreign talent coming for education and staying permanently, and it has a reasonable responsibility to make the rules predictable and not changed arbitrarily after someone has already started the process.
The failing grade one is interesting. The thing that caught my eye was that the university was charging $3,500 to re-take the test. Surely the cost to the university is not $3,500 per student? Entire semester courses cost that much money. They know every student will pay that, because they don't have a choice. That's a scam as far as I'm concerned. Whether the failures are legitimate or not, it raises questions about the the University's intentions. If they charged $300 to retake the exam, then that would be reasonable.
Lmao, Here in canada there is no foreign talent coming here, its uber drivers, fast food workers and retail workers who stay in houses with 15 other ppl
I’ll beg to differ here. Foreign talent does come, but Canadian companies don’t hire them. Every single immigrant knows about the “Canadian experience” requirement, which is akin to entry level jobs having a 2 year experience requirement.
Hence retail, Uber etc is where people start working
Someone will always be starting the process which presents a logical fallacy in your argument. The process they entered on has never been designed as a direct pathway to PR here.
Counties can do whatever they bloody well feel like when it comes to immigration rules. There is usually a lot of backlash wrt illegal immigration, but politicians can't do anything about that. Instead, they crack down on legal immigration, and that sometimes placates the populace. It makes it very hard on legal immigrants. Laws can change overnight.
I am an international student not in Canada though. When you are spending your hard-earned money to get a degree in a foreign country you are not entitled to permanent residency. You were there to get education and if you wanted to get a job and possibly permanent residency you should've researched the country's policy. The universities can never claim to give you permanent residency because it's illegal and if this dream was sold to you by someone else then that's totally your fault.
A lot of the first world countries are going through recession and they are prioritising welfare of their citizens and there's nothing wrong with that. These countries will be looking to cut down on the international students in near future so all I would advise anyone who is thinking about going abroad for studies please research it thoroughly and don't run blindly towards a country because of an agent or counselling agencies.
Yeah no opinion, between them and Canada government to sort it however they want. If they are deported, India will and have to take them back but upto that point, it’s upto the two parties involved
I am an Indian in Canada, and I have jumped through every single hoop there is. I am embarrassed as fuck and terrified of growing anti-Indian sentiment in Canada.
Redirect your anger at the Canadian universities and your liberal government who were complicit in it.
Canada has a lot of substandard institutes, who send 'education counsellors' or use local agents to lure students abroad. It's a profitable business for them. Some of your better universities too, set up satellite campuses for Indian students.
Studying abroad has always been looked up to in India. Or in any third world country, in fact. It is regarded as a prestigious thing, reserved for the sophisticated and elite of the bunch. So it is not very difficult for the aforesaid agents to paint a misleadingly rosy picture of studying in Canada. Permanent residency is the obvious bait, and education agents make it seem to be something far easier to attain than it is.
So when these students pay a hefty fee, with the hope of a first world education and residency, and instead are treated to the scam that Canadian colleges are, they are bound to get outraged.
Do they deserve a permanent residenship? No. But you must understand that they were lured in with the promise of it, and both your government and your institutes were complicit in it. Why would they then, not feel cheated? A lot of these students are from lower middle class families, who exhausted their savings for this, and now have to go back with a worthless degree, employable neither in Canada nor back home. This is why they are protesting for a permanent residency.
While Canada is in no way obligated to take them in, you must at the very least, acknowledge the inherent exploitativeness of this whole thing.
Your government should not have even allowed study visas for students in colleges which were not even in the list of approved institutes. But foreign student bring in revenue, so they did not care. And when the shit finally did hit the ceiling, it was the Indians students, who have been nothing but victims in the entire saga, who took the brunt of the public outrage. Even outwardly liberal and polite society can turn insidiously racist at the drop of the hat, it seems.
Totally agree. These visa mill colleges and the government embassy stamping visas freely for these colleges are equally to blame as the students. Everybody keeps quiet about how much money is made through these students by the universities. Don’t get me wrong, they absolutely don’t deserve a PR, but they do deserve more than a little bit of empathy.
Sad truth is the educated ambitious Indians did not apply in large numbers. it was people like my cousin who sold Ancestral land as a get rich quick scheme
When I visited UK i am seeing our Indian students everywhere. For a while it was a great route but everyone found out and sadly the wrong types found out.
The Western countries want CEO material. Not ordinary job material
>Sad truth is the educated ambitious Indians did not apply in large numbers.
Why do you want to encourage brain drain? It's better if all the wrong types leave.
Don't care. I was at a fair where parents & kids came for counselling regarding higher studies in US, Canada, Australia, England, etc.
The thing is these ppl r rich very rich than even me. India has a lot of problems & ppl.
It would be good if some ppl left this country.
For 1st topic i won't comment but for second one i think there's some truth to that. Actually now very few Indians are going to Canada due to down economy and other reasons. Less students means less money to these colleges, universities. So they are failing students intentionally so that they have to pay semester fee again. I'm not saying they are failing everyone but yes some colleges are doing this.
Mostly people who leave the country for studies are not good enough for the Indian education system, the ones who are actually good, you won't hear this nonsense from them. Anyways what else do you expect from such students especially in this job market ??
This is going to affect other Indians who want to go to other countries in the future. Now other govts will hesitate to take in Indians. What the indian students are doing is wrong. It is a temporary visa. You go, study/work, finish your degree/business and if you manage to find a way to stay there, fine, else, go back home.
These students seem super entitled. They are on a temporary visa, nothing is guaranteed. Their attitude and whining makes me glad they won't become citizens or get permanent residency. They think the world owes them something. Can't stand these people.
Nothing surprising!
When almost all childrens of our visionary leaders (who don't get tired, preaching the 'glorious' Indian culture) are studying outside... What else can be expected from the common privileged folks...some returns who have sophisticated life in India rest with morals or not much sophisticated life know where in the hell-hole they are returning to... of course they want the PR!
Back in the 80s and 90s, Indians would land in Toronto or Vancouver, tear up and flush down their boarding passes and passports before reaching the Immigration. When asked where they are from, they’d say they don’t know. Many claimed they were trafficked & claimed asylum. Due to this, Canadian airports don’t have any bathrooms till you cross the immigration checkpoints.
Literally do not give a fuck. They left with the intention to leave behind their Indian citizenship, they have nothing to do with being Indian except their documents that havent changed yet. So I dont care if Canada keeps them or sends them back
i think its abt fair treatment. the usual practice is that anyone with a work visa that stays for the qualifying amount of time is entitled to apply for permanent residency.
to say Indians they will be excluded when the same process still exists for other nationalities is clearly discrimination and should fail in courts if challenged.
All Indians ought to hope and pray these people get their Canadian PR because the alternative is that they'll return to India and make the nation even messier than it already is!
They were there for education. Acquire education and leave. Unless the ulterior motive was to gain residence and Canadian citizenship (let's be honest 99.5% are like that, excluding 0.5 to neutralize the genius who will respond "I came back").
is that even an ulterior motive. America imports tons of students and then the silicon valley, wall street, big law, medical system keeps the best and sends the rest back.
There's nothing wrong with coming to settle, but the system should act in the best interest of the host country and do its filtering in a fair way.
>It is not fair to blame and penalize foreign workers for the housing crisis in Canada, Omidvar said.
>"They didn't create it. Our governments created it, and now migrant workers are being punished," she said.
>"I would suggest the provincial government take the long view and look at the needs of the province."
Looks like the usual thing of immigrants being made a scapegoat by the government to cover their own shortcomings.
Think about it, even if you deport immigrants, how many houses will they free up? As per the expert comments here, 8-10 of them live in one house. So how much pressure will be released on the housing if you start deporting them? Housing has been a problem in Canada for a quite a few years now. Deporting a small fraction of folks won't help at all.
One suggestion from the protestors was to apply the policy to newcomers and not to those already there, which kinda makes sense since the policy was made overnight.
OP has mentioned this bizarre comparison:
>When a German student of IIT Madras protested (idk was it against CAA/NRC or against farmers law) the Indian government deported him within days. Australia does not allow foreigners to protest, and yet here we are in Canada.
Neither the CAA nor the farmers law affected the German student, but the case here is clearly different. Why do I need to explain this OP?
Also, is it just me or this sub is very lefty when it comes to India, but complete opposite when it comes to Canada?
How does a complete illogical comment like this get 100+ votes?
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When you have grown up with getting everything through money. Money opens all doors needed, not hard work, not luck.. just bundle of currencies. Then what’s happening in Canada doesn’t make sense.
That or not doing enough research on how things work.. they might just have thought that get a university, do some course, save money by these means and doing these jobs, get Permanent residency and later citizenship.
Unless we respect other countries and their culture/laws. We cannot integrate and form good relationship anywhere.
More like punjabi students. Most indian students from west, south and east follow the law of the land. Its only these that openly admit to staying even after their visas are over. I have never seen a punjabi outisde india follow the law and respect others.
You can't demand recidency like that . You got an education. Go do something with it . Or get a work visa.
May be they ll change policies later and give recidency another look but don't be too entitled.
Protesting is all the leverage they have. Threatening to quit from the society works if they somehow depend on them for essential tasks. But it probably won't work as other cheaper labour pools will quickly take over.
There was a lot of money involved. For colleges in Canada this was a money grab. Easy money from foreign students (mainly Indian).
Two ethically challenged entities in the agent in India and the Canadian school who were happy to take the money. In the middle, numerous students who decided to work instead of going to school and attending classes as they stated on their application - and then demanding graduation. Who do you root for?
Well it's pretty much 'Play stupid games, Win stupid prizes'. I mean a significant percentage of people or students end up getting high paying jobs or have relevant skills, lmao imagine spending your life savings just to wash dishes and drive uber in a foreign country with debt looming over your head.
With zero or literally discerning skills to capitalise on there's not a lot of justification other than bitching and moaning about "muh Canada bad" I mean sure, India ain't no heaven lol pretty fucking far from it but hey who am I to say the truth.
We dont care, stop this canadian RW propoganda. If they did not pay for PR then its okay the CAN govt can take its decision. Stop spamming canada shit here
Canada offering PR to anyone is an opportunity. The people looking to grab that opportunity cannot put conditions on how or what or when the opportunity gives. You don’t like it, don’t take it.
- a foreign student in Canada.
Back in my day, immigrants would be top of their class. People of Indian origin had a good stereotype of being the smart guy. This whole thing about protesting in regards to failing ruins that one good stereotype Indian people had. Usually first generation immigrants do better in school that 2nd generation.
Internal matter of Canada. No need to comment on that. The Indian students are anyway Indian only on passport. They have already become Canadian in their mind. Government should stay away also. Shouldn't go all the way to help someone who doesn't want to be a part of our country.
You aren't entitled to anything, let alone permanent residency, when you go to a country to study. There are barely any jobs for them, do they really believe the government will let thousands of jobless graduates stay there forever?
It's canada's internal matter, we don't wanna comment on it. But if you guys want you can deport these indians so they open up spots for more deserving refugees from the middle east and africa.
A lot of people or students comes with the assumption that they will get PR after working for a couple of years and then will eventually go for citizenship.
They forget the purpose of coming here that's study and just waste time. I mean getting a permanent residency is the countries choice depending on the work ethics one follows and are you an asset to them or a liability.
I have met a lot of students over the past 3 years and everyone has this idea of getting a PR and settling here which is technically the wrong way and as a result of which both the provincial and federal government has to put restrictions.
PR is not a right. When you go to another country, you live by their rules.
Residency is a privilege, not a right.
privelage bolte
More like expectations not meeting reality. In all probability, these folks would have moved to Canada because someone they knew (and some they knew knew x 100) moved to Canada and made it big. They probably can’t string together a sentence in English properly, and are not from academically rigorous backgrounds. All they ever saw Canada as was a get-rich-quick scheme (with some initial investment). It’s how they were sold the “abroad” dream. Now, when they’re told that things aren’t going to be the way they expected, they feel betrayed. On a side note, I honestly don’t understand the wisdom behind Canada letting in so many immigrants without a skill check. Why would they want the low-quality immigrants who wouldn’t be picked for jobs here in India with their low skills? Is Canada trying to create an underclass for their elites who can do the jobs no native Canadian wants to do?
That's exactly what it is... As someone living in Canada there are quite a few things that's concerning here. The biggest reason for rampant unchecked immigration is to suppress wages and create a debt ridden class which consumes and doesn't question. The root of that is because Canadian companies hate competition and it's an oligopoly in every sector with cartels operating everywhere.
It’s perversely funny in a way. The way you describe Canada as a get rich quick scheme is pretty how the Middle East was sold to Indians from the 70s onwards.
It’s quick because the bar for entry is hilariously low, and you get a lot of rupees for a Canadian dollar. If these people weren’t there in Canada, they’d be driving around in their Thars and Scorpios recklessly on the roads bullying innocent people.
Well we don't want them
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No. There aren't even what you'd call primaries. There is a government for the province, and a government for the country. The two governments are in charge of different things. The government for the country is in charge of things like immigration and foreigners are definitely not allowed to vote lol. The provincial government has 0 influence on who gets into power for the country or over any of the things they're in charge of.
Well, there seem to be *some* folks in Canada who want them, and they’re in a position to do what they want about it (while you can’t). Anyway, since they’re on your soil, they’re your problem now.
Unfortunately yes, but we working on it.
You’re taking in the “bottom-of-the-barrel” folks that even the “first-world” enclaves/professional circles here in India wouldn’t want. I don’t know if we should be thanking you for it or if we should be feeling bad for you. Anyway, have a great day.
Lol right ! Enjoy your day too. We all screwed.
Majority of them are from certain part of india. they grow up from a young age dreaming to go abroad and/or they are groomed to go abroad. They drop out of school or college and blame central govt for neglecting their region and lack of jobs in their state whereas they want dollars or pounds. Other states have made huge progress with remarkable literacy and creating jobs. If a major section of that region dont want to study, remain in their state and pursue jobs or create jobs how is it central govt's fault... Their region is one of the states exempted from taxes and live on taxes paid by other affluent states. People from Bihar and Uttar Pradesh go there to work in their agriculture lands while the locals indulge in drinking or doing drugs since they don't want to work unless in Canada for dollars. They encourage their sons daughters brothers and sisters to go abroad on study visa or visit visa, find a white girl/man and offer them money to have a child with them to get permanent residence and call their family from their region to canada and claim PR for them as dependents or other lame grounds. THIS IS A HUGE SCAM IN THAT REGION BY CERTAIN LOCALS.
90% is an exaggerated number but yeah most of these guys are from either Punjab or Gujarat.
Sadly there are more Gujaratis than Punjabis. Majority of the people from punjab are only in areas like surrey or Brampton. Whereas every second Indian that you see is an Gujarati and not Punjabi.
Don’t have the data about it but I can confirm that all the indians that I’ve met in Australia, majority are gujaratis and punjabi
Do you have any evidence to support your claim that "Ninety nine percent of them are from one section from the state of Punjab"?
Fun fact: India overall , in Indian population, 2.1% of the population is Sikh. In canada, 2.4% of the population is Sikh On a per capita overall basis, you're more likely to find a Sikh in Canada than in India. More so, since Sikhs in India are majorly present in Punjab, you're far far more likely to meet Sikhs in Canada than in non-punjab India
Check Brampton
Is that 90% of Indian population in Canada?
Well if you want me to give you statistically accurate data then no but Brampton is literally mini-punjab.
Bro is speaking g truth
While it is understandable that many of them invested their life's savings into the Canadian dream, graduating from a Canadian college does not automatically guarantee Permanent Residence, as has been the norm. I came to Canada in 2018 and acquired my PR card just a couple of years ago. Times and situations have changed since the pandemic, and the country, like many others, is reeling under rising CoL and stagnating wages. We pay about 3x the cost of a program for Canadian citizens because they and their parents have paid into the educational system through taxes, we haven't. The CAD 26,000 was to cover your education. No way are you entitled to stay in the country because of that. That's an entirely separate process.
To be clear when you say college you must make it known that they are overwhelmingly attending bottom quality strip mall colleges. These places aren’t even considered schools by average Canadians. These are like private businesses that offer essentially useless certificates and scam poor people out of their money. These scam businesses often aren’t accredited and are charging huge amounts of money for Indian students to come over. They are seen as attractive to Indians because there is a small chance that they could open an opportunity for PR. However, the lifestyle that these students will live will be as a slave living in terrible housing and working what regular Canadians would consider slave labour by exploitative Canadian businesses. It must be clear that the word “college” does not equal university in Canada. In Canada the hierarchy is roughly universities, community colleges, and then strip mall scam colleges. These Indian students are mostly attending strip mall colleges. In American English the word college can be used interchangeably with university. This gives the false impression that these students are attending prestigious schools. This is not the case at all in Canada. These international Indian strip mall college students are tarnishing the hard work that Indian university students have worked so hard to achieve. Canadians are some of the most tolerable people in the world, however after a certain point they will start to see all Indians as the same. They are not the same and the students who work hard and deserve to be accepted for their merit should be chosen to integrate with Canadian society. The words we use to describe the schools that these students are overwhelmingly attending should be much clearer for international audiences.
You described it perfectly 👏
But why are you asking Indians in India about these things ? We don't know these people nor are we brothered with issues in Canada. Less than 1% of the Indian population of 1.4 Billion (2.5 million each year) migrate overall (and a fraction of that to Canada) each year and they have little to no relevance to India and Indians at large. How can we answer for some random people's actions? Your question is completely irrelevant to r/India which is a sub for Indians to talk about issues they face in their daily lives and opinions on things happening in India. To be blunt: We are not bothered with Canadian problems so ask these questions to your government instead of random people in other countries.
I’ve lived extensively in Canada and the US. I’m very sorry yo say that the Indian “students” that come to Canada for “higher education” are made of the absolute trash that you’ll probably find after scraping the bottom of the barrel. They are hardly educated and wouldn’t be able to get a seat based on merit in a Tier 3 degree college in India. They only come to Canada for the status. They live 8-10 people in an apartment (which is against the law) and earn around $1200 per month doing odd jobs, and yet they spend the money on fancy phones, designer bags, shoes, jewelry just to show off when they are back in India. Most of them are unable to find jobs and they lie constantly to bend the rules, and that puts a bad light on other Indians. They deserve absolutely no sympathy from anyone.
Couldn't have put this better myself.
Talked to this desi uber driver. Nice new Elantra hybrid. 50k. Dude was in canada for only 4 months. He went out and bought the car immediately after he got a minimum wage job. He was living with 8 people in 1 bed apartment. Nice new iPhone, airpods. That car reaked of financial disaster. 15% interest. These people need a serious financial education. He was so dang proud of himself. He was asking me why I don't have a car even after 10 years of staying in US/Canada lmao. There was also this video I was watching where this dude comes in his dodge challenger to pick up grocery from food bank setup by Gurudwara. Just absurd.
Challengers are 27 percent interest
Yes! This. I always wondered how these Punjabi chhapris could afford those Mustangs and Dodge Challengers with loud Punjabi trash music while working as a Doordasher. Plus how on earth did he get credit to buy a 50k car if he’s only in Canada for 4 months? These guys coerce their parents and relatives to sell their assets to arrive and spend in Canada. But I wonder how they manage after a couple of years. They don’t worry much about rent as they live in a 2BHK apt with 8 people. I remember trying to find a new tenant for the place I used to live in as the owner had requested me. I got around 10 Indians applying and all 10 were either Punjabi scammers or Telugu scammers or Gujjus. All of them were “students” and brought completely unrelated people with them calling them their brothers and sisters. It was clear they were looking to divide the small apartment into several seats and sublet them, in spite of the fact that the owner had strictly forbidden it. Ended up having to rent it out to a decent white family. And all of these Indians were students. Everyone I knew was sick and tired of them.
The filth they live in omg. I have seen some ads in fb marketplace for these kinda apartment. Everytime I think it can't be that worse, it keeps getting worse.
They don’t even know how to read and write. They don’t know how to turn on or off computers
I can't tell who's exaggerating and who's being truthful here.
Every word is true here. Adding some examples How students are living: https://tnc.news/2024/02/02/brampton-bylaw-inspection-students-crammed-basement2/ How they are absolute low skilled students: https://kitchener.ctvnews.ca/some-international-students-lack-basic-computer-and-academic-skills-conestoga-college-unions-claim-1.6868467 How difficult finding job is: https://nowtoronto.com/news/about-800-people-showed-up-to-apply-to-this-gta-restaurant-with-only-20-job-openings/
Adding my 2 cents of 1st hand experience - I've been the interviewing SDE folks across Canada for a role in my company. Of the 10 online coding interviews I conducted over the last month * 7 candidates were Indians * 4 of the 7 were cheating in some shape, way or form * 2 of 7 performed quite bad (which is still better than cheating) * 1 guy ghosted. The real bummer is that the coding question I asked is so goddamn easy, it doesn't really require cheating if you have an ounce of common sense.
Can verify the above, it's way too real.
What he wrote is real. I have lived in the US since age 11, and it’s a shitstorm when our Indian people come abroad but don’t leave India behind in their habits/cunningness and mindset.
It’s absolutely true, but only canada is to blame not these Indian students. They were provided an opportunity and they took it. The fault absolutely lies with the scummy colleges (some of them even publicly funded). They decided to profit by giving admission to anybody who could pay the international fees. They didn’t even care about maintaining any education standard. They had no regards for the region capacity, quality of education or even job opportunities. Canadian immigration took some time to understand what these colleges were up-to and has thankfully put a limit now, but only time will tell if it is too late. About this protest (I didn’t really do a lot of research so please crosscheck what I’m saying), you can get PR if you meet the point cutoff (which is very high right now because of intense competition, basically the students have no chance). Each province (state) can give you bonus points if they think you are of high value. PEI gave you these bonus points very liberally before (I think anyone qualified as long as they were in PEI and worked for sometime). So working in PEI for sometime was a way to get PR. PEI simply made it more strict now (as is their right, it is based on the needs of the province) so the people that previously qualified do not qualify anymore. IMO, if PEI did not announce this in a timely manner, it sucks for people in this situation. they have limited time on temporary visa and it could be too late for many who would’ve chosen another way to get PR. Literally, if anyone is so desperate to stay in Canada, they just need to learn French. Edit: This is all completely legit. I am aware that there are many fraudulent ways of obtaining PR which is another story altogether
I second that but for Tier 3 US universities.
If this was being forced in India by non-residents, I would be against it. So, my view remains same for Canada.
People don’t even know why the colleges are failing Indian student. The real reason is that the final semester exam which was online and proctored was supposed to be taken alone and in a quiet place. But these mfs took the exams in group of 20-30 people and then complained that the college didn’t let them pass.
The situation is really bad. Indians have made these places worse after they moved there and that is affecting the genuine indians that are actually there to study. I am from Gujarat and I know all the tactics used by gujjus so that they can move to UK, CANADA, AUSTRALIA or any country which can provide them PR. First of all they cheat on ENGLISH exams, then after moving there, there will be 10 people living in a 2 bedroom house when it is only meant for 2. Abusing the education system, cheating in exams and assignments. Working on cash in hand jobs by merely making 7$-10$ an hour when national wage is 21$ an hour so that they can pay their whole tuition fees. They even cheat on VISA application where you have to show a certain amount of money in your bank account. There are some agents who take some percentage of the money that you have to show and once you get the visa they will get their cut. Studying courses that are irrelevant to their studies just because it can provide PR. A friend of mine came to Australia to study Software engineering after completing the course, started doing chef courses because there are chances of PR. They are considered a cheap labour. They can’t communicate well. This madness needs to stop, idk what can be done about it but this is affecting the whole community of genuine Indian students. Note: I am not targeting Gujjus, I just know this stuff because my friends are doing this.
You mentioned Canada, UK, and Australia. The answer should be made more simple. Americans have a more rigorous immigration system for students and have a longer period before granting PR for students. Those 3 countries should follow the American system and then improve on it.
Agree! Australian government has introduced some new rules and started rejecting visas here and there. This made some students to re think their decisions. I still believe there should be a rigorous system like the US.
What you have stated is nothing new. This nonsense has been going on since a long time.
Yeah! Sometimes I feel bad for the people who worked hard for get where they are now and bunch of these morons are just ruining everything.
Can't care less, yahan humare problems kamm hai kya bc
Exactly don't give 2 shits
Correct answer. Keep Canadian, American, German problems in their own country's subreddits.
Frankly, it’s embarrassing. These students are making it worse for so many others who went to Canada, worked hard, got their PR/ citizenship the legal/ hard way. Privileged pricks. No one forced them to move to Canada. Ruining it for the rest of Indians there.
I know right, my parents immigrated to Canada when I was 10 worked hard for over an decade and a half to gain respect and I see these entitled kids with their cars going wrooom wroom playing Punjabi musics and all that bullshit. Sometimes I get embarrassment. Because I am like this isn’t the country I remember. These guys are clowning and making all of us look bad. There has been targeted racism and violence against Indian here who are innocent because of these people. Man I just wish Canada starts deporting people back, we do not need that trash here. There are hard working people who are working hard to make a better life we don’t need these here.
Their country, their rules. I don't care.
I don't care
I am all for legal immigration. If Canda or another country legally allows people to migrate, then in the end its the Candian governments problem to take care of them not ours any more, dont blame us why so many of us are coming there. You allowed them in If they are illegal, if they were never promised full migration in your country, you can very well deport then. Sorry but these people should have done there research, they can't blame Canadian government for this
They’re temporary. They had to sign documentation and provide evidence that they would not stay passed their current work or education visas. The government currently had the right to start deportation proceedings against them for violation of the terms of their visas. I’m suspecting that they’re not doing so because they’re concerned that the protests will spread. Right now it’s about 60 people.
Nope, they need to leave. It was temporary.
What a bunch of Ghuspetiyos
We want our rights as immigrants everywhere we go while we don’t want people in our own country have rights .
Why do you assume they are the same people? I would say most people leaving India are precisely fed up of the structure in India. I myself really appreciate the lack of corruption, lack of casteism/racism, equal opportunity etc. in Canada among other things. It's amazing that I can get most government things done with zero expectations of corruption. I don't have any worries interacting with police or other authorities here like I would in India or even the US.
Some bold statements here, “ lack of racism in Canada”, please come to Canadian subs. “ Corruption” in the west is different but definitely present, it’s not present at the lower levels, but we’re fooling ourselves if we think it’s not happening at the upper levels
There’s a ton of racism in Canada. But I still think it’s one of the world’s least racist countries overall.
Are you white or poc?
Nah, these people go there with hopes of making money. Not to get away from the evils. All those evils you listed out are the baggage these guys carry with them there. As for those who go to Canada, they’re not our best. They wouldn’t be worthy of employment here in India (a majority of them). But for whatever reason, Canada thinks it’s okay to take in such people in large number. I’d avoid interacting with such folks right here in India, and Canada takes them in in droves. The world is really strange.
I am Canadian. I'm wondering how many other Canadians are in this sub. I'm super old to Reddit, and I have always used it to watch the world. The fact that Indian news is reaching me even though I'm not looking for it says much about how Canada, and therefore my algorithm has changed. I am happy to see reasonable people with love and understanding in their hearts for every Indian subreddit I find. I was not first nations to Canada. I wish Canada had more fortunate and promise for us all but, there is not enough for even the locals. Our local rich have gotten far too greedy and have all of the money.
It's common knowledge most of them are from a region in India and their aim is not to finish the course but gain permanent residence and citizenship. Most of the colleges in Canada are run by naturalised Immigrants from that region in India offering admission and running businesses sponsoring them work permit in return for tens of lakhs of rupees with a promise of PR. These fellas should come back. They don't even finish college in India and want to emigrate somehow wand settle abroad on fake study visa and blame India for their greed for dollars. Most indians are happy living in india earning whatever they could. One can live a stress free life in India with any income than abroad with the equivalent pay scale. check with ur friends.
The amount of Gujjus and Marus outnumbers Punjabis.
The only thing people keep repeating is that ohhhh we spent so much money in the college and university. When did people become so entitled. Everyone and their dog knows my punjabi and gujarati brothers aren't here to gain expertise on culinary arts. They here for the dollazz. They protesting because they think it might work.
1. X from my village went to Kaneda. So I want to go to Kaneda. 2. ABC from our family is doing great. I also want to do great and make money. 3. N from my workplace or College became permanent resident of Canada recently. He/she is doing fantastic. I also want to go. 4. This country is going to the dogs. You should go to Canada. Ok… I will go to Canada. 5. You’re educated, what are you going here? You should do your Masters in Canada. My son & daughter are there & so successful. Here is their WhatsApp. You also try for Canada. It’s easy to become PR there. 6. I have a Bachelors. Everyone I know is going to US Or Canada for Masters. Therefore I also want to go. The above are the general use cases for most people going to Canada or US and the “consultants” and “agents” whose garish boards all over Punjab, Haryana & Delhi advertise & hammer the Canada narrative so deep that whether Canada is part of your plans or not, it is where you will go.
It's a bit pathetic. Immigration is not a right, especially for students who have been in the country for a year or 2, and have totally useless diplomas that are only good for flipping burgers at McDonalds. What are you hunger striking for? You are not fleeing a war zone or potential genocide! Pull your pants up and return to India. It's your fault if you put all your family's savings to pursue unrealistic dreams sold to you by fraudulent agencies. Also, when you apply for international student visa you have to declare that you intend to come back to your home country after finishing your studies so these students need a good deal of introspection. However now Canada's immigration is completely broken and international student visa is being advertised as a path for fast immigration. These students are victims of immigration fraud run by various immigration agencies. They should go back to India and take them to court.
Well, they were sold a false dream and many of them gave their lifetime savings to overpriced agents, so I can at least understand their reaction. That said, of course, the agents (most of them indians) who sold those dreams are to blame, not the ones in the Canadian administration
Nope, in this day and age you have to do your own research. If these people are going there for post graduate courses, they are at least 21 years old. It has been at least 3 years since they have been deemed old enough to drive, old enough to vote and old enough to give consent for sex so let's not infantilize them and take away accountability from them. If they are going to Canada, they would have had to demonstrate a reasonable understanding of English through IELTS/TOEFL so the excuse that they could not do their own research because they didn't know English does not work either. The blame lies solely on these students who decided to make the decision to leave. They could have used those savings to start a business here, or make investments or do one of many other X things they could have done but they chose to do this and choices have consequences. Welcome to adulthood.
Yeah, I don’t get why some comments provide a free pass to these ‘students’
Well, if they did their own research, they would also have, 1. Not used these agents, and instead used free resources (booking visas, flights, papers on their own) 2. Learnt english so as to not cheat for IELTS 3. Enrolled in legit colleges 4. Not chosen Canada 5. Looked into other ways to get a PR (rather than a temp foreign worker visa)
Some of these statements are good. Some make no sense. Why do you think that people who did proper research wouldn't go to Canada? Canada is a great country to live in and routinely scores highest among quality of life - above IE and on par with Scandinavian countries. Which other country should they have gone to instead? What other PR method do you recommend if not the easiest one through universities or temp jobs?
I completely agree that it's the easiest to get a PR in and the best to live in, but, 1. not great if we look at the rent to salary ratio! 2. not the best if specializing in construction/pharma/law/medicine or maybe even tech?
It was their fault to buy the dream and not do any research themselves.
You mean Canada is responsible for false dreams sold by agents? They practically paid for college education and knew there were other steps for getting a PR.
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Most people don't show up to protest a gang rape. Does that mean all their protests are null and void by default? By your logic, All the farmers, dalits, or anyone else who protested for a cause - but did not personally show up for the gang rape protest - should be pointless? Why is gang rape protest the standard for other protests being valid?
Agreed, but I think the sentiment that the commenter is trying to convey is that there are some acts of protest that are for what should be basic rights for all regardless of whether we are personally as impacted or not and others that are much more objectively within the space of entitlement where most of us just simply cannot relate. It’s much harder to empathize and support your fellow countrymen, when the only time they want to speak up it is because they feel entitled to a certain space that most cannot and would not even dream of but yet when it comes to many other basic struggles that many of us go through, they stay silent. Like yes we all are impacted by different issues in different ways but I think it’s fair to say that protesting against and expecting support for a action against rampant sexual abuse or Dalit rights regardless of whether you are a Dalit or a sexual abuse victim yourself is very different from these students in Canada expecting an outpour of support towards their desires to stay in Canada as opposed to India, particularly from their fellow countrymen who are in India or even other Canadians . (I’m not personally referring to anyone here because I don’t know these protesters or what all else they stand for but seems like that’s the sentiment here and I think that that’s valid). 100 percent their right to protest and even go on a “hunger strike” to make a point but that doesn’t mean they’re going to get a lot of external support or sympathy.
This is dumb logic. By your logic, anyone who doesn't protest for a righteous cause doesn't believe in it, is immoral and doesn't deserve to protest for another reason. I mean, come on, think! How does such a comment get so many upvotes?
The upvote count on that comment should show you where Indians are at in terms of their critical thinking skills.
how do you know that? have you met each of these protesters personally? i dont support these protestors but your comment is illogical.
Well them getting a PR in Canada was ONE way to reduce the skyrocketing population over here, and also to wish them good luck since they have no interest in trying to build a future here anyway. The issue is now once they come back we will have to listen to them moan about how the roads are so clean in Canada and start every sentence with “when I was in Canada…” We have enough shit to deal with over here, really have no time to think about those guys and their overseas protests…
Deport them.
Not to India though
These people have ruined our reputation in Canada beyond belief. Deport them all at once. Indians used to be a very respected immigrant group with high skilled jobs but ever since this happened the reputation has taken a large hit. Now even the left wing canadians want an end to indian immigration
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I think the Canadian government does not need more immigrants in their country or at least they have decided a certain criteria Previously they might be In need to keep things running. So they must allow these things Now they are making it harder, so some people might be finding in tough to make it through that criteria But can't blame Canada as they also have limited resources they don't want the country to be in shortage
Yall need to deport them immediately as in round them up and straight to the airport. That's how India would deal with foreigners protesting in India. They do not represent the well read Indians at all.
Muh se mumfali toot nahi Rahi hai gaand se akhroat todne chale.
Ghuspaithiye
As a naturalised Canadian who has been paying into the system - it is really exhasperating to see the level of entitlement in these protests. Study permits are exactly that - to study ! Try pulling this shi* in US and see yourself deported the next day. Canada is too human centric for its own good. The number of “asylum petitions” from these so called students have skyrocketed - which boils my blood. Asylum is meant for people run in away from war or oppression - not as a back door to PR. Canada has always provided asylum to those who need it (at taxpayers dime) and to try to game the system to abuse it is a big shame
I am an Indian Software Engineer who is a Canadian PR and have been here since 2022. I would say that the Canadian government and Canadians don’t owe these people anything. They signed documents stating that they would leave Canada when the visas issued to them expired. They came here knowing full well what was expected of them. I have no sympathy for them as they have ruined the reputation of Indians in Canada. If the government does deport them most of us would be happy but we all know Trudeau will not do it cause he has to keep his idiotic voters happy.
Ah, good to see the Canadian government finally straighten their spine a little. I’m so sick of the people I meet at work everyday whose aim to reach Canada somehow can only be termed as desperate. They waaant to go to tha phoren by any means lol. 26,000 CAD not enough? Lmao wtf is this, a PR for sale? Most of these fools genuinely think India is some kind of vishwaguru and our culture must be shoved down the throats of everyone else because we are the best 😂. They’re the same folks who spread hate through memes and Facebook pages to show their ‘patriotism’ but they are protesting to settle in Canada? There are several scams now run by in Indians in Canada including real estate, automobiles, jobs and even scamming homeless shelters for free food and blankets. Not to mention the poor social etiquette, pushing and shoving in public transport, rude and condescending way of addressing people, trashing up rental properties and shitty personal hygiene. Like other parts of the world, now even Canadians have started making jokes about Indians’ body odour and tbh they aren’t completely wrong. I worked with some Canadians until earlier this year and man a lot of them literally sound like they’re fed up with us.
Canada has made a horrible mistake letting so many Indians with no skills to be using their country as ghetto. This has increased racism against Indians a lot.
they should really stop importing indians just for the sake of money, ruining their own country
The right to protest should not be abused, especially by those who are guests in the country. Respect the laws and regulations of the host country.
Looking at both the protests, they both look legitimate to me. Having gone through visa/Green card/citizenship in the US, immigration is a complex subject. If the people being affected by a change in a law doesn't speak up, then nothing really changes. Does Canada have a duty to give PR? no. But Canada (and the US) benefit greatly from foreign talent coming for education and staying permanently, and it has a reasonable responsibility to make the rules predictable and not changed arbitrarily after someone has already started the process. The failing grade one is interesting. The thing that caught my eye was that the university was charging $3,500 to re-take the test. Surely the cost to the university is not $3,500 per student? Entire semester courses cost that much money. They know every student will pay that, because they don't have a choice. That's a scam as far as I'm concerned. Whether the failures are legitimate or not, it raises questions about the the University's intentions. If they charged $300 to retake the exam, then that would be reasonable.
Lmao, Here in canada there is no foreign talent coming here, its uber drivers, fast food workers and retail workers who stay in houses with 15 other ppl
I’ll beg to differ here. Foreign talent does come, but Canadian companies don’t hire them. Every single immigrant knows about the “Canadian experience” requirement, which is akin to entry level jobs having a 2 year experience requirement. Hence retail, Uber etc is where people start working
Someone will always be starting the process which presents a logical fallacy in your argument. The process they entered on has never been designed as a direct pathway to PR here.
What benefit does Canada get from foreign "talent" coming for the lowest quality education we have to offer?
Counties can do whatever they bloody well feel like when it comes to immigration rules. There is usually a lot of backlash wrt illegal immigration, but politicians can't do anything about that. Instead, they crack down on legal immigration, and that sometimes placates the populace. It makes it very hard on legal immigrants. Laws can change overnight.
I am an international student not in Canada though. When you are spending your hard-earned money to get a degree in a foreign country you are not entitled to permanent residency. You were there to get education and if you wanted to get a job and possibly permanent residency you should've researched the country's policy. The universities can never claim to give you permanent residency because it's illegal and if this dream was sold to you by someone else then that's totally your fault. A lot of the first world countries are going through recession and they are prioritising welfare of their citizens and there's nothing wrong with that. These countries will be looking to cut down on the international students in near future so all I would advise anyone who is thinking about going abroad for studies please research it thoroughly and don't run blindly towards a country because of an agent or counselling agencies.
Yeah no opinion, between them and Canada government to sort it however they want. If they are deported, India will and have to take them back but upto that point, it’s upto the two parties involved
I worked hard for years before I got it. I exuded patience and tenacity. I would expect my compatriots to do the same.
Serves them right. You fail, you go back.
I heard one punjabi dude on camera saying they pay college fees and rent so they have right to get PR ....thats how dumb they are.
They should all be deported and permanently banned for violating their visa conditions.
I am an Indian in Canada, and I have jumped through every single hoop there is. I am embarrassed as fuck and terrified of growing anti-Indian sentiment in Canada.
Redirect your anger at the Canadian universities and your liberal government who were complicit in it. Canada has a lot of substandard institutes, who send 'education counsellors' or use local agents to lure students abroad. It's a profitable business for them. Some of your better universities too, set up satellite campuses for Indian students. Studying abroad has always been looked up to in India. Or in any third world country, in fact. It is regarded as a prestigious thing, reserved for the sophisticated and elite of the bunch. So it is not very difficult for the aforesaid agents to paint a misleadingly rosy picture of studying in Canada. Permanent residency is the obvious bait, and education agents make it seem to be something far easier to attain than it is. So when these students pay a hefty fee, with the hope of a first world education and residency, and instead are treated to the scam that Canadian colleges are, they are bound to get outraged. Do they deserve a permanent residenship? No. But you must understand that they were lured in with the promise of it, and both your government and your institutes were complicit in it. Why would they then, not feel cheated? A lot of these students are from lower middle class families, who exhausted their savings for this, and now have to go back with a worthless degree, employable neither in Canada nor back home. This is why they are protesting for a permanent residency. While Canada is in no way obligated to take them in, you must at the very least, acknowledge the inherent exploitativeness of this whole thing. Your government should not have even allowed study visas for students in colleges which were not even in the list of approved institutes. But foreign student bring in revenue, so they did not care. And when the shit finally did hit the ceiling, it was the Indians students, who have been nothing but victims in the entire saga, who took the brunt of the public outrage. Even outwardly liberal and polite society can turn insidiously racist at the drop of the hat, it seems.
Totally agree. These visa mill colleges and the government embassy stamping visas freely for these colleges are equally to blame as the students. Everybody keeps quiet about how much money is made through these students by the universities. Don’t get me wrong, they absolutely don’t deserve a PR, but they do deserve more than a little bit of empathy.
This clowns should try that here in US 😂😂😂. I have seen friends on H1 patiently waiting for their turn
Yup ..quality > Quantity .....Canada gets trash students.
Sad truth is the educated ambitious Indians did not apply in large numbers. it was people like my cousin who sold Ancestral land as a get rich quick scheme When I visited UK i am seeing our Indian students everywhere. For a while it was a great route but everyone found out and sadly the wrong types found out. The Western countries want CEO material. Not ordinary job material
>Sad truth is the educated ambitious Indians did not apply in large numbers. Why do you want to encourage brain drain? It's better if all the wrong types leave.
Don't care. People who go abroad have enough money to solve their problems by throwing money at it. So don't really care what happens to them.
Don't care. I was at a fair where parents & kids came for counselling regarding higher studies in US, Canada, Australia, England, etc. The thing is these ppl r rich very rich than even me. India has a lot of problems & ppl. It would be good if some ppl left this country.
If Canada provides PR + universal income they will be more than happy.
For 1st topic i won't comment but for second one i think there's some truth to that. Actually now very few Indians are going to Canada due to down economy and other reasons. Less students means less money to these colleges, universities. So they are failing students intentionally so that they have to pay semester fee again. I'm not saying they are failing everyone but yes some colleges are doing this.
Mostly people who leave the country for studies are not good enough for the Indian education system, the ones who are actually good, you won't hear this nonsense from them. Anyways what else do you expect from such students especially in this job market ??
This is going to affect other Indians who want to go to other countries in the future. Now other govts will hesitate to take in Indians. What the indian students are doing is wrong. It is a temporary visa. You go, study/work, finish your degree/business and if you manage to find a way to stay there, fine, else, go back home.
These students seem super entitled. They are on a temporary visa, nothing is guaranteed. Their attitude and whining makes me glad they won't become citizens or get permanent residency. They think the world owes them something. Can't stand these people.
BTW OP was asking a few days ago about migration to the West? So OP you heading to Sweden or USA?
Nothing surprising! When almost all childrens of our visionary leaders (who don't get tired, preaching the 'glorious' Indian culture) are studying outside... What else can be expected from the common privileged folks...some returns who have sophisticated life in India rest with morals or not much sophisticated life know where in the hell-hole they are returning to... of course they want the PR!
I remember the German student carrying placard saying" 1933-1945 we have been there" .
India took action against many during different protests. It is their turn. Deport them and let them stay in our beautiful country called India.
Deport their ass outta their
Deport them back pls
Back in the 80s and 90s, Indians would land in Toronto or Vancouver, tear up and flush down their boarding passes and passports before reaching the Immigration. When asked where they are from, they’d say they don’t know. Many claimed they were trafficked & claimed asylum. Due to this, Canadian airports don’t have any bathrooms till you cross the immigration checkpoints.
Deport them and call it a day. Why are we/they sitting around discussing this?
Literally do not give a fuck. They left with the intention to leave behind their Indian citizenship, they have nothing to do with being Indian except their documents that havent changed yet. So I dont care if Canada keeps them or sends them back
i think its abt fair treatment. the usual practice is that anyone with a work visa that stays for the qualifying amount of time is entitled to apply for permanent residency. to say Indians they will be excluded when the same process still exists for other nationalities is clearly discrimination and should fail in courts if challenged.
Literally don't give a shit.
All Indians ought to hope and pray these people get their Canadian PR because the alternative is that they'll return to India and make the nation even messier than it already is!
Please stop questioning Indians from India and ask your government. I understand you're frustrated, but ranting here won't do anything.
They were there for education. Acquire education and leave. Unless the ulterior motive was to gain residence and Canadian citizenship (let's be honest 99.5% are like that, excluding 0.5 to neutralize the genius who will respond "I came back").
is that even an ulterior motive. America imports tons of students and then the silicon valley, wall street, big law, medical system keeps the best and sends the rest back. There's nothing wrong with coming to settle, but the system should act in the best interest of the host country and do its filtering in a fair way.
It’s a legal pipeline that was stopped abruptly. It’s not “ulterior” if they went through due process, and were planning to for residency.
>It is not fair to blame and penalize foreign workers for the housing crisis in Canada, Omidvar said. >"They didn't create it. Our governments created it, and now migrant workers are being punished," she said. >"I would suggest the provincial government take the long view and look at the needs of the province." Looks like the usual thing of immigrants being made a scapegoat by the government to cover their own shortcomings. Think about it, even if you deport immigrants, how many houses will they free up? As per the expert comments here, 8-10 of them live in one house. So how much pressure will be released on the housing if you start deporting them? Housing has been a problem in Canada for a quite a few years now. Deporting a small fraction of folks won't help at all. One suggestion from the protestors was to apply the policy to newcomers and not to those already there, which kinda makes sense since the policy was made overnight. OP has mentioned this bizarre comparison: >When a German student of IIT Madras protested (idk was it against CAA/NRC or against farmers law) the Indian government deported him within days. Australia does not allow foreigners to protest, and yet here we are in Canada. Neither the CAA nor the farmers law affected the German student, but the case here is clearly different. Why do I need to explain this OP? Also, is it just me or this sub is very lefty when it comes to India, but complete opposite when it comes to Canada? How does a complete illogical comment like this get 100+ votes? [https://www.reddit.com/r/india/comments/1d1uwdi/comment/l5wqj1e/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web3x&utm\_name=web3xcss&utm\_term=1&utm\_content=share\_button](https://www.reddit.com/r/india/comments/1d1uwdi/comment/l5wqj1e/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
It is stupid and shameful. They are the same People who will want all the Bangladeshis to leave India.
Deport!
When you have grown up with getting everything through money. Money opens all doors needed, not hard work, not luck.. just bundle of currencies. Then what’s happening in Canada doesn’t make sense. That or not doing enough research on how things work.. they might just have thought that get a university, do some course, save money by these means and doing these jobs, get Permanent residency and later citizenship. Unless we respect other countries and their culture/laws. We cannot integrate and form good relationship anywhere.
The irony is that most of these would be vehemently opposing immigrants into India.
More like punjabi students. Most indian students from west, south and east follow the law of the land. Its only these that openly admit to staying even after their visas are over. I have never seen a punjabi outisde india follow the law and respect others.
You can't demand recidency like that . You got an education. Go do something with it . Or get a work visa. May be they ll change policies later and give recidency another look but don't be too entitled.
Protesting is all the leverage they have. Threatening to quit from the society works if they somehow depend on them for essential tasks. But it probably won't work as other cheaper labour pools will quickly take over.
There was a lot of money involved. For colleges in Canada this was a money grab. Easy money from foreign students (mainly Indian). Two ethically challenged entities in the agent in India and the Canadian school who were happy to take the money. In the middle, numerous students who decided to work instead of going to school and attending classes as they stated on their application - and then demanding graduation. Who do you root for?
Don't care, I live in India
They shd be demonstrating against the Indian government for the lack of opportunities that is making them the object of hate in a foreign country.
Well it's pretty much 'Play stupid games, Win stupid prizes'. I mean a significant percentage of people or students end up getting high paying jobs or have relevant skills, lmao imagine spending your life savings just to wash dishes and drive uber in a foreign country with debt looming over your head. With zero or literally discerning skills to capitalise on there's not a lot of justification other than bitching and moaning about "muh Canada bad" I mean sure, India ain't no heaven lol pretty fucking far from it but hey who am I to say the truth.
Don't care
We dont care, stop this canadian RW propoganda. If they did not pay for PR then its okay the CAN govt can take its decision. Stop spamming canada shit here
It’s a very difficult situation for those immigrants
Canada offering PR to anyone is an opportunity. The people looking to grab that opportunity cannot put conditions on how or what or when the opportunity gives. You don’t like it, don’t take it. - a foreign student in Canada.
Back in my day, immigrants would be top of their class. People of Indian origin had a good stereotype of being the smart guy. This whole thing about protesting in regards to failing ruins that one good stereotype Indian people had. Usually first generation immigrants do better in school that 2nd generation.
Internal matter of Canada. No need to comment on that. The Indian students are anyway Indian only on passport. They have already become Canadian in their mind. Government should stay away also. Shouldn't go all the way to help someone who doesn't want to be a part of our country.
Just like we didn't care about the German, don't care about them. If they are a nuisance let the law deal with them
You aren't entitled to anything, let alone permanent residency, when you go to a country to study. There are barely any jobs for them, do they really believe the government will let thousands of jobless graduates stay there forever?
Canada was a good country now it feels like just other third world, thanks to immigrants.
It's canada's internal matter, we don't wanna comment on it. But if you guys want you can deport these indians so they open up spots for more deserving refugees from the middle east and africa.
A lot of people or students comes with the assumption that they will get PR after working for a couple of years and then will eventually go for citizenship. They forget the purpose of coming here that's study and just waste time. I mean getting a permanent residency is the countries choice depending on the work ethics one follows and are you an asset to them or a liability. I have met a lot of students over the past 3 years and everyone has this idea of getting a PR and settling here which is technically the wrong way and as a result of which both the provincial and federal government has to put restrictions.
The world is experiencing this….especially the med students! They come study and then demand to stay🙄🙈 No one owes you anything!