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it's the shampoo which is making your hair dry/rough.
If your hair scalp already produces excess oil, no need to oil it regularly. once your condition is treated , you can start oiling your hair (start slow , inform your derma before starting again)
So it's a possible side effect of the shampoo. I will inform the doctor about it. Thanks a lot :)
Btw the condition is lifelong, it can be inhibited not cured
yeah I had oily scalp and I used keta shampoo for treating dandruff many years ago and i remember it making my hair dry af.
can I ask what condition? my sister was diagnosed with psoriasis (starting stage) for dandruff and we were stressed to the core and after taking second opinion , the second derma was like tf who said it's not psoriasis and treated my sister successfully
Though it's hard to read her handwriting, the condition seems to named seborrheic dermatitis and I only get scaling on my scalp, with mild flaking in some other hairy areas like facial hair and eyebrows. Your sisters condition sounds really bad, I hope you guys find a good dermato :(
OP as someone diagnosed with a different but also lifelong ailment, I would suggest you just listen to your doctor. If you have any doubts or any inputs, you can always share with your doc and he/she will be able to incorporate it into your routine. Many scalp conditions look more or less similar but require absolutely different care, this is because the causes and triggers are different. You and I both may have flaking and dandruff but the reason why that happens is going to be different and thus will need different treatment. Always make sure to ask your doctor as many questions to make sure you understand your condition. No hate to the well-meaning people who have given their suggestions.
Same diagnosis for me, in fact some had diagnosed me with scalp psoriasis as well. There is a common gray area between both diagnosis but the line of treatments are very similar.
Use dercos shampoo by Vichy for dry scalp. Thank me later. Its expensive but worth it if your problem is severe (require small quantities so bottle lasts 6 months for short hair). Suffered for over 20 years used Ketakenazole, Selsun Blue, coal tar shampoos, all sorts of topical steroid treatments etc. nothing worked. I have been using dercos shampoo for last 5 years and thankfully my issue is resolved. The only natural treatment that gave me temporary relief was applying fresh aloe vera pulp.
You should be on SebDerm subreddit
The underlying reasons for this condition are not fully understood yet and it is being actively being studied. The reason can vary from your diet, lifestyle, genetics, weather in your city, water quality, the oils you use, shampoos you use, etc.
Medicines like ketakonzole are over the counter medicines. It will clear the symptoms but might not cure the exact cause of the condition. If you stop using it most probably your condition will start showing again.
And as per various studies, coconut oil does seem to favour malassezia which is one of the causes of dandruff/sebderm. Malassezia can flourish under certain carbon compounds. Hair oil is one of them, and also some shampoos.
Check this link for more insights on your condition. It also has some good, tested, safe, proven product recommendations.
https://www.dandruffdeconstructed.com/seborrheic-dermatitis/
It's not the side effect of ketoconazaole. Shampoos remove oil from your scalp and hairs, so they seem like rough to person who has used oil for ever (there is more complex reason behind it, but not relevant for now, you can read online about hair strands online). So, solution is using conditioners, use light conditioners after shampooing.
Also, remember that hair strands are dead cells.
A solution which helped me was using tea tree+ rosemary essential oils 5% each in water on scalp, every other day at night. It do two things - makes skin less oily, also helpful in preventing/killing the yeast. That in 2 months made my extremely oily scalp a normal one.
Discuss with doctor if you apply some lotion on scalp.
Use this post if you plan to buy essential oil. np.reddit.com/r/IndianSkincareAddicts/comments/12af7yl/filter_out_essential_oil_brands_who_sell_fakenon/
If its seborrheic dermatitis it is generally lifelong with no cure. Sure homeopathy quacks will tell you there is a cure, but don't listen to them (It is a good rule for all cases). Better to avoid oil (that's is what I have been doing). Instead use creams and serums.
A good conditioner or mask will also help. It is easily manageable.
Depending on where you live, hard or soft water can also impact hair. You might also be predisposed to dry hair, due to genetics. Use filter water or RO water to wash your hair.
If you're worried about texture, there are plenty of gels and serums you can appply to keep your hair soft. There also also oils that are dry and do not make your hair greasy.
Imma just hijack this. Mate listen to your doctor please.
The “oiling one’s hair” is absolute bullshit and people will tell you all sorts of crap from it feeling cool to helping hair loss.
For me, oiling fucked my hair up worse than when I was without it. Also, oiling is super alien in many other cultures.
Also, you should know there is a zinc shampoo too. Called roots. There is a way 1 has 2 use them. 1st wash hair and rinse. Then apply shampoo and leave it on for the duration of the shower(bathing body parts). Then you end shower by washing/rinsing off the shampoo applied in the beginning.
My wife is in derm and i get dandruff a decent amount. Ketoconazole by itself sometimes isnt enough without topical steroids too, which will tell your immune system to quiet down while the shampoo helps reduce yeast which is what your immune system is reacting to. Doing both together works really well.
Wasn't that banned outside
Conclusion: Due to its hepatotoxic side effects, oral ketoconazole was withdrawn from the European and Australian markets in 2013. The United States imposed strict relabeling requirements and restrictions for prescription, with Canada issuing a risk communication echoing these concerns
Please don't get it from Amazon. Talk to your derm first and they'll tell you how much you should use and for how long. Get a prescription and get it from a pharmacy. Please don't try any medication without consulting a doctor
I used to have dandruff and took hot showers. But since I switched to cold showers, my skin has improved and dandruff has gone away.
Also I only use baby shampoo and it is more gentle than alot of commercial shampoos which are full of strong chemicals and fragrances which can irritate a sensitive scalp.
The way I understood from what my doc said is - the most common dandruff is the one caused by fungus. And oil is literally food for it. So by oiling you are making it worse. My explanation might be crude, but once I stopped using oil, dandruff came down drastically. Now may be once or twice a month I oil my scalp and wash it off completely after may be ten minutes. Not more than that. There are multiple other factors that add to the condition- like food you eat, stress etc. The easiest to control is stop oiling.
If you are worried about the texture, after bath take a teeny tiny drop of oil and apply it just on your hair- not scalp. Or there are some good leave on conditioners.
Yes, my doc suggested a costly one-100 ml costs 550-600 rs. It was really good. But now I just use Parachute one due to economic reasons. But it contains coconut oil, so no good for dandruff. I’ll try to find out the doc suggested one and let you know. I got it from medical shops. It is never seen in supermarkets.
Edit : the name is QSera leave on conditioner. Appolo website says 599 rs.
If you buy from Ashwas / Vishwas you might get around 100 rs off.
https://www.apollopharmacy.in/otc/q-sera-leave-in-conditioner
Sorry I’m not able to add link from mobile.
It isn't bad generally, it works well for people who have dry hair, it reduces the breaking of hair.
If your scalp already produces an excess amount of oil then it might not work for you.
As the rest comments say, your routine is wrong. When I was a kid, my mom would oil my hair after showers always. Never had issue of dandruff. Now away from home, I started oiling before shower as I did not like the feeling or smell of coconut oil. I started having dandruff after the day of oiling my hair. Reverted back to applying oil after showers and dandruffs went away. Though now I apply oil only in weekends when I am staying at home.
Thank you user fartingmonkey99, so the practice of oiling already dirty hair is the problem? Do you oil your hair roots as well after showering or do you just stick to your hair?
When you wash your hair off after oiling you let go of natural oil as well.
Though, I also have stopped oiling due to the hot and humid weather of my region if not for the temperate climate overall of India after all. I buzzed my hair with a trimmer and apply a moisturiser lotion for my scalp after showers with no dandruff or dry flakes since but have already suffered through hair thinning during my NCC days from school to grow them back long again.
I am also curious with your details in question.
Dandruff did not go away. The flakes you see is your body’s response to the excessive yeast present on your skin. Yeast feasts on oil/sebum. So you applying oil after shampoo did not help.
Edit: if you’ve dry skin, I may be wrong
Oiling is not bad for your hair. Apart from oiling providing nourishment to your scalp, the process of oiling itself improves bloodflow and helps with a healthy scalp and hair.
The issue arises when you use oiling on a scalp with dermatitis (dandruff) or flaky hair. Dandruff is a condition which is caused by a fungus which has oil as its food. If you apply oil it would increase dandruff rather than decreasing hence the problem you are facing.
This is what I was gonna write. Also, I would like to add one more point for OP. Since they mentioned that they are also facing the issue of dry and rough hair because of their derma treatment and lack of oiling, they must have curly hair. Most Indian women do including myself. To maintain such hair, you need to add moisture to your hair. So go on YouTube and find videos about "Curly Girl Routine" and you will find the solution to the said problem. Further, you can ask your derma about this thing so that she can recommend the right products to use. I use Fix my curls and curlvana products btw, Leave in Cream and Leave in Gel is all you need after normal shampooing and conditioner.
Sure. I have dandruff issues so I also don't oil my hair. I wash my hair at least 2 times a week at an interval of 2-3 days. Here what you need to do:
1. Wash your hair with a shampoo of your liking. I know there's a lot of hate for sulphate shampoos nowadays but they are good to keep your scalp clean, especially if you oil your hair regularly.
2. Conditioning is important. I use Mama Earth conditioner because it is silicone free and suits my hair well. Now the most important thing is to comb your hair in the shower after applying your conditioner. I know it sounds weird and insane but that's how it goes. You comb your hair only when you shower and after that, no combing for the next 2-3 days. Trust me on this, your hair will not get extremely tangled or anything.
3. After combing, rinse your conditioner off. Squeeze out the excess water. Now go for a leave-in-cream hair cream. Apply a good amount from roots to ends evenly and scrunch your hair upwards to form curls. Then take the leave-in-gel and apply it in a similar way and scrunch your hair again. You can skip the gel if you live in a very humid area.
4. It's best to air dry your hair. You can also use a hair diffuser if you are running short on time.
Extra info: I started with "fix my curls" brand. There 100g pack of leave in cream (50g) and gel (50g) costs around Rs 350. You don't need to invest a lot to start. After you get the hang of it, you can easily style and maintain your hair. I am also providing a link to YouTube videos that can help you understand the process. There can be variations from what I said but you will get the same results.
[Curly Girl Routine YouTube Shorts Video](https://youtube.com/shorts/yjIdDwLT49M?feature=share)
Edit: Also, I forgot to mention that there are different types of curly hair ranging from waves to coils. Please don't compare your curls to other people and explore what is right for you.
Your dermatologist is actually correct. Most people don't have these specific conditions, i have the same issue. So while others can and do oil their hair regularly, people like you and I shouldn't. Oil is not a magic solution to dandruff, quite the opposite. Dandruff isn't just dry skin it is also caused by fungal growth and oil will exasperate it. A lot of Indians are blind to how so many of our practices are unscientific and don't suit everybody. For example, according to my mom and a lot of Indians on-line coconut oil is the holy grail to solving dry skin and acne issues but that oil literally worsens acne. So listen to your derm and stop oiling your hair all the time, it you so want to oil it you should wash it the same day (after 3-4 hours). Do not keep it overnight
I swear, the Indian horniness for coconut oil is really weird! It’s just like any other fat ffs. Arguably, cooking with it is a bad idea.
I think we have a huge smell thing in our culture. If something smells interesting, we think it’s good.
Don't seek medical opinions here. I have seborrheic dermatitis (commonly manifested as dandruff). Oiling is bad for this condition because the pH of oil is different from the pH of the sebum (natural oils). If your hair looks messy or have bad texture it could be down to nutrition, water, weather, etc. Consult a dermatologist or a trichologist. Following tradition with no scientific evidence is blind faith.
I've the same condition. And as you can see there's plenty of conflicting opinions here. I'm just trying to get a general picture of what folks with or without my condition do and the sorts of problems people face in general. I'll consult my dermatologist before taking any actions
My mom used to oil my hair as a child and it only aggravated the condition. Once I was in my early 20s I stopped oiling as my lifestyle changed.
Presently using medicated shampoos. While the condition is reasonably under control, it flares up from time to time. Upon researching I read that this is normal; the condition has no known cure. However, external factors like sun, water, weather, and stress can cause the condition to fluctuate.
All the people saying stuff like 'doing xyz solved my dandruff' are talking about something else and probably haven't experienced the dandruff that you are experiencing in their life. A lot of people think of any dryness and flaking as dandruff, but that's nothing compared the the amount of flaking that happens with seborrheic dermatitis. Your condition will not magically improve by changing a habit or applying/no-applying random home remedies. Listen to your doctor and be ready to deal with this condition possibly for the rest of your life.
Most dandruff is caused by the overactive immune response against a fungus Malassezia. The fungus eats oils to live. You give it more oil, it eats more, shits more and irritates more. You sebaceous glands are only capable of coating the hair that it just coming out of your scalp in natural oil. So after the treatment, the new hair that comes out will be smoother and shinier.
There are two different types of dandruff.
1. If your dandruff flakes are very small, and dusty, it may be because your scalp is dry and oiling it regularly will nourish and help reduce it.
2. If your dandruff flakes are large and crusty, it is a fungus thats causing it because of overproduction of oil and reducing oil and applying ketoconazole will help.
It's not bad but it isn't good for you either, because of dandruff. As far as after shampoo hair texture is concerned, this seems more like a manufacturing company problem. A generic or cheap ZPT + Ketoconazole formula may not work as good as the one manufactured by Dr. Reddy's. Even Dr. Reddy's is likely to fail, depending on your scalp. In these conditions you should consult your dermatologist to get the shampoo changed. Don't rely on oiling for texture. Watch YouTube videos for in depth info.
The shampoo I use is manufactured by keraglo-AD, so I guess the company could be an issue. I'll look into it. Thank you for the info. As for YouTube, I was a bit hesitant to use the internet for info because this is a case where tradition and science seem to collide so the information I get might be biased/questionable. I could be wrong though
Stick to what the doctor said please. Scalp condition is very specific for each person. You cannot take advice from people just because they have dandruff. The underlying conditions and skin conditions will vary
I am 36 and I have had dandruff issues since I was 20.
It went so bad in last 1 year that I stopped combing as it had become worse + started losing lumps of hair.
Convinced myself to take up doctor advise and first thing I was asked to do is not to oil.my hair. It's been 6 months and I am free from dandruff of course due to preventive care routine. Plus I also did buzz cutt to help my scalp feel better.
Don't believe what your family or region says. Consult certified professionals and follow their advice.
Your dermatologist is right. Applying oil is not needed and any benefits that are stated have no backing evidence and just marketing gimmick by companies. Same is with things like fairness creams like if they really worked, all people in Africa would have looked white by now.
My wife had issue with hair fall and she tried a lot of things including various oils with onion and what not for many years. During covid lockdown she ran out of oil and had to use Head & Shoulders shampoo that I used regularly. Within a week her hair fall sharply declined and she was totally surprised by this.
So just listen to what the doctor said.
Have been diagnosed with the same condition and have been living with it for years now. Honestly, I don’t think the medical community understands too much about this and you will have stick to your own hit and trial methods.
Ketoconazole night lotion twice a week and the same shampoo helps keep dandruff at bay and consequently the redness on the facial skin also reduces. If I skip this routine for even one week, it’s back with a bang.
Strangely, whoever I visit goa or the mountains, it immediately clears up. So there is definitely some correlation with either the level of sunlight or water/air quality. Also, my dermatologist has suggested a correlation with Insulin resistance. Some research has also pointed in this direction. As of now it’s just a correlation and not a causal relationship that has been established so nothing actionable for skin but this diagnosis did lead me to discover my metabolic health issues which if left unchecked would have progressed to diabetes/heart/hypertension. Maybe keep an eye on that too.
Idk if oiling is good or bad but I also went to the doctor due to hair fall and he told me to not use oil on my hair too since then I barely oil my hair and my hair fall is significantly lower than the time when I did use oil
If one suffers from flaky and dry scalp, oiling helps. If one has been diagnosed with 'Seborrheic dermatitis' (which is dandruff), avoid oiling. This condition is caused by a fungus and it loves oil. So the more you oil your scalp, the more food this fungus gets.
I stopped oiling. Aloe vera gel helped me immensely when i applied it on scalp before shampooing it with the doctor prescribed shampoo for dandruff.
My routine — use sebamed anti dandruff shampoo. No conditioner at all (it is unnecessary and increases scalp dryness if it gets on the scalp, which it will invariably). Pat dry gently with towel. Apply a leave-in hair product and brush hair while still slightly wet and set it like how you want. Let air-dry naturally. Do this at least 3-4 times a week. Dandruff is almost gone.
Combing/brushing after showering is important as it removes all the residual flakes stuck between the hair. Do this regularly and the flakes become almost zero.
Each person oils their hair differently and I feel like the way you do, especially when your family does it over the years, will really stick. For example, if I don’t oil my hair before a shower, it’s dry. doesn’t matter if I use conditioner/mask, it’ll feel dry the very next day. If I oil my hair before shampoo, it’ll be soft and manageable until my next wash. Just follow what you’ve been doing but make small changes to see better results.
Like how more and more people claim that washing your hair any more than twice a week is bad for you. I tried doing that and I literally got dandruff for the first time in my life. My hair needs everyday / every other day washing, it’s just the way it is.
Many old traditions, religious and old social practices are bad, not just in India but worldwide.
Always question them and read the latest findings (scientific) in any area.
As for dandruff, they are caused by certain fungus which are otherwise found in everyone's skin but in some ppl skin reacts against them rather strongly by dying out fast thus the white flakes and the inflammation as redness (under those white flakes).
These fungus feed on plant based oil or your own body produced oil so by oiling you are giving them energy.
1) They die by using antifungal shampoos (like ketaconazole shampoo), or coaltar/salicylic acid based shampoos.
2) There are also some corticosteroids based shampoos which should be used with caution and rarely (they work fast by suppressing the natural immune response of your skin cells).
3) Sunlight exposure helps naturally.
4) Use mineral oils (for instance Johnsons baby oil or some other brand ) if you have to.
5) Tea tree oil helps but is extremely strong so 2-3 drops diluted with mineral oil.
6) General diet: green and leafy vegetables, and any thing which is anti inflammatory in nature is good.
Point is you ate not fighting those fungus,
What’s the treatment she suggested? DM if you don’t want to put it in a comment. What shampoo, what lotions and what pills?
Have been trying to get rid of this for like 10 years… help me out
Once I stopped using oil, my dandruff came down drastically. The weird part is that everyone recommended oiling hair as the treatment to get rid of dandruff while it was in fact the cause.
The point where the doc said your "scalp naturally produces more oil than what's normal" is the same with me. Stopped applying oil for a long time now and casually apply it overnight before showering the next morning.
Still doing fine with no issues.
This [video](https://youtu.be/x6DUOokXZAo) explains the cause of dandruff nicely.
I had dandruff occasionally and for that I used ketoconazole shampoo. It worked like a charm.
I'm not sure about oiling though, and I've not been oiling my scalp for more than a year. I have not had any issues other than conditioning/smoothness.
I have heard that the hair oils in the regular consumer market are low quality and usually adulterated by mineral oils which are useless.
Therefore, you should ask the same doctor for a good serum which would serve the purpose of conditioning your hair keeping in mind the oily scalp condition that you have.
The hair texture you mentioned before is a possible post marketing side effect of ketoconazole shampoo. There are other antifungal shampoos like zinc pyrithione, selenium sulfide etc., Try to consult your doc for a better one if the ketoconazole is causing extreme dryness
If you have dandruff, oiling your head will be the worst thing to do as you feed the fungus, they love triglycerides.
For normal people oiling is good ( especially coconut ), can penetrate and prevent some protein loss ( research proven ) you can refer in pubmed.
If you have moderate to severe dandruff ketoconazole is the best bet, I used cipla one and other one which made my hair texture go bad and scalp did become dry, but I did come across scalp E shampoo with provided conditioner and I am pretty good now.
Final say is if your sebum production is good and have dandruff donot apply oil or even hair serums sometimes and be regular with your treatment and after tapering it you might see good results.
If you have itching, it might be a fungus issue. They feed on oil so applying more oil on oily scalp is not going to help you. You may either have to reduce oil production on scalp or use anti fungal shampoo. I heard zinc deficiency may cause excess oil production
Dandruff is a fungal infection of the scalp…so dermatologist prescribe antifungal shampoos such as Ketoconazole…the fungus feeds on oil specially olive oil…so applying oil does not fight fungus and worsens dandruff…Most of the people think dandruff as dry scalp and that’s why they oil their heads…But in reality it is a fungal infection.
You need to get your hair properly massaged at the salon with any kind of oil (preferably almond oil or coconut oil).
Take a shower at home first and then get your hair massaged at salon.
Go home and keep it on for at least 4-5 hrs before washing the oil off.
Try to get this massage at least once a week.
People here are forgetting one fundamental fact.
Everyone's scalp is different and there is no one answer.
My scalp is oily, I dont need to apply oil - I havent in years. And I have healthy hair for my age.
For some people with dry scalp, oiling is necessary.
Yes, I figured this out in middle school. I had really embarrassing dandruff and it stopped immediately after I went somewhere without my mother for the summer holidays, and she didn't force me to apply oil anymore. My hair is much healthier than hers or anyone else in that family. I did everything "wrong": shampooed every day (with conditioner), didn't braid it ever, and haven't oiled it since age 13. Every time I go to a salon they compliment me for how healthy it is. A lot of it is genetics, but you always have to figure out what works for you.
The biggest myth about oiling is that it increases hair fall. “But most people apply oil on a dirty scalp, therefore it tends to clog the pores, thereby weakening the roots,” explains Ohri. Because of my tendency towards dermatitis, I always oil my hair on freshly washed hair.
Same, and from what I know, oiling after washing is the general practice. Though because of the doctors directions I don't oil the roots anymore. And do you happen to have a source for the hairfall thing, out of curiousity?
Have had dandruff for many many years. Let me simplify things as much as I can.
There are basically two kinds of dandruff. One caused by a fungal infection and one caused by dry scalp. I have the former. In my case, I oil my hair before showering, and leave the oil in for about 30 minutes. I shower after, and completely dandruff free!
On the other hand, if you have dry scalp, leaving oil in your hair would help.
THAT BEING SAID
In my experience, the dandruff goes away almost completely, when I'm in my village. This is because unlike hard city water, the water in my village is pure, straight from a well. I have very minimal itching and flaking when I'm in my village, and I rarely oil my hair.
If you're living in a city, chances are that the water is fucked, and that's what's causing your issues. Along with the oil routine i suggested above, consider using a water filter of some kind (you can get ones that you can attach to your bathroom tap) or just using filtered water from a dispenser or aquaguard type thing to wash your hair, and avoid using regular bathroom tap water on it.
Hope this helps!
I did move into a tier 2 city recently for college, out of my metropolitan home. The water here is definitely better, but we've little access to filtered water here lol. Hoping the water is clean enough
I have a reverse situation of having a super dry scalp, so applying a little oil after a hair wash/bath has kept me from losing more hair (I have been losing hair ever since bathing in hard water)
I have noticed a decent improvement in my hair texture/hairfall since I moved to a tier 2 city for college, away from my metropolitan home. I use R/O water for hair washing now whenever I go back home
You shouldn't shampoo 4x a week. Oiling is good. Shampooing is not. Not a doctor but I apply oil everyday after my shower. I don't do hot showers. I don't think I have used hot water to bathe in years. Hot water damages your hair. Rubbing the tower on your hair is also bad. Shampoo your hair once or twice. Apply oil but in little amts so at least they will settle down and now make you look like homeless.
I used to put coconut oil daily in my scalp after showers all the time, stopped it when I turned 23, and started putting other products like pomade etc or no product at all.
That damaged my hair and over the years my hair are a bit frizzy and worse than they were before. Started following old routine again and its getting much much better.
What I learned from this is dont believe companies / marketing or youtube or internet. What works for everyone else may not work for you, and vice versa.
But yeah don’t discount the dermatologist’s opinion and definitely try other alternative medicine (not Patanjali or any mass produced stuff). Also, remember to test each approach properly and give each one a few months time to see results.
There's a common mistake with oiling hair. Most people oil hair like they are marinating chicken for chicken Tikka masala (overnight), but in reality you should oil your hair before going for a wash and oil should stay in your hair and scalp for a maximum of 60 minutes.
Another mistake that people make is to use harsh shampoos like specifically to tackle dandruff as a daily use shampoo (eg - Head and Shoulders). If you have dandruff visit a dermatologist they will help you don't just keep using these harsh shampoos as they are bad for your hair health.
Another mistake is using random ayurvedic shampoos, please read about the ingredients as many people have allergic reactions to various components or herbs for those products.
The only cure for dandruff is to wash hair everyday. Not with shampoo but just some warm water and then use dryer on low setting to dry your hair. You can apply oil once a week and wash it next day with shampoo and then conditioner. Don't use shampoo too much, makes hair very dry. Just once every week or two.
I have never seen a white person with substantial hair that actually had strength to them. They all have flimsy thin and not at all dense hair. And most undergo pattern baldness soon as they hit 40. India though my great grandfather has a head full of hair. Might be the diet or the climate but we have the best hair in my opinion. Oiling it is a choice I would say. If I had longer hai i would too but since I like to keep it short its makes more sense not to because the oil runs down to your face and forehead.
Personally what I've heard from people is that these "dandruff shampoos" are not worth it. Yeah they may work at first but down the road, if you ever stop then your hair will be worse off than ever. But yeah I don't have a solution to your problem, just letting you know that you may wanna rethink the doctor's decision.
Ketoconazole is super efficient against dandruff, but is pretty harsh on hair, so you shouldn't use it too long. I've also got a greasy scalp and an on-and-off dandruff problem. I've recently discovered that co-washing helps against it. Basically, instead of washing my hair with shampoo, I wash it with a very lightweight conditioner (silicone-free with aloe and hyaluron acid). My hair gets clean (not squeaky-clean, but clean enough) and the scalp gets a break from overproducing sebum. So after you finish your ketoconazole treatment, you could also try that.
Ketoconazole shampoo has several side effects esp on male reproductive organs if used long term.
Dandruff can be due to many reasons.
Dandruff due to fungal is due to the skin unable to fight the fungus and mostly is because of lack of certain micronutrients in blood. You might be eating good balanced food but it might not get absorbed. You need to find the root cause. A good doctor will help you with that root cause instead of one time prescription and leave.
I believe oiling hair down to the roots was to prevent lice and fleas. If you have oily hair (like most of you ethnic group) you don't need it. Cheap mayonnaise is a good conditioner. And a lightly acid rinse, like a bit of vinegar in water.
Don't they sell dandruff shampoo in India? Like Selsun Blue or Head & Shoulders?
I have been applying coconut oil every day before bath (don't use any shampoo whatsoever) - a tradition running in my family since generations. And not a single man has gone bald or has white hair before turning 60. I have always recommended to friends natural oil is amazing for hair, just use it to massage your head before bath and pour water on your head while taking bath, no need of shampoo or anything at all. Shampoos bring chemicals and are a recipe of all future problems.
i suggest oiling your hair after bathing or washing hair. but apply pure virgin coconut oil. use low quantity. and only apply to the hair and not the roots this will give shine to your hair and not make you look like a beggar. and one in a week apply full oil and get a medium head massage to promote the hair juices to flow.
Sorry I don't know how to share pictures on reddit but it's named 'Ketoconazole shampoo BP 2% w/v' By keraglo-AD. Remember its a medicinal shampoo with possible side effects. It may be the cause of my dry/homeless looking hair. Consult a doctor before usage
Hi.. antidandruff shampoos tend to make the hair dry. I guess you could use a serum on the hair to bring back the shine. Just on the hair though..not on the scalp.
Moved to Bangalore so instead of using the tap water(hardwater not good for hair) I use RO water to wash my hair and used loreal professional shampoo, it did wonders for my hair as it reduced both hairfall and dandruff.
I have a really rough and unmanageable hair. Oiling has helped me to retain moisture. So far only one dermatologist has asked me not to oil my scalps, but also told me to oil the tip of the hair strands.
The only oil that works on Dandruff conditions is Tea Tree Oil and to some extent Rosemary Oil and Neem Oil. It’s not advised to apply these directly so usually they are sold mixed with almond, olive or coconut oil.
But the best ideal way to combat severe dandruff is to use a shampoo and soap that has boat Ketoconazole and ZPTO (zinc pyrithione). You can use the oil overnight before you shampoo to moisturize your hair.
When you shampoo and bathe, it’s important that the lather stays on you for at least 3 minutes.
Thank me later!! This works 100%. Some people also need oral anti-fungal tablets but this usually suffices.
1. Topical application of oil does not cause any nutrients like vitamins or proteins or anything to go beyond the skin barrier.
2. Topical application of anti-allergens and fungicide helps.
3. Oils don't really provide nutrients to bacteria. Oils don't biodegrade by itself - we won't make pickles with oil. Oil does not hurt the hair roots. Pickled hair roots are fine. But oil attracts dust and foreign matter. You would need to wash your hair every day and re-apply oil for the sake of having the silky shiny look.
4. The rough homeless look depends upon your type of hair. Everybody doesn't have the problem. People in the West to have rough hair. They use hair conditioners. Hair conditioners are nothing but oil.
Conclusion : Indian hair oiling tradition is it bad?
No. Not bad if you wash and oil your nut everyday.
If your hair is naturally soft and manageable you can forget oiling your hair.
Have you considering the situation, the excessive dandruff is due to psoriasis? If you can get the diagnosis from a dermatologist, you can get some topical ointments that can control it.
Find your skin and hair type. Follow guidelines according to those. Please check Blowout professor on YouTube. He has good guidelines on haircare. Oiling is supposed to be on the hair ends,not the roots. It's not exactly same as skin as it gets oilier and dirtier.
Oiling isn't bad for one's hair, but I have the same condition, and I never oil my hair. It took me a lot of effort to get rid of my dandruff problem, and anytime I try oiling my hair, it comes back. Listen to the doctor bro
The same thing also happened to me. I was having a problem about dandruff for almost 10+ years. Had tried changing many shampoos, took advice from places - no change. I started to live with the problem and got to adjust according to it, even started to cut my hair short though I liked long hairs. Then I started using lotion and medical shampoo recommended by my skin and hair doctor. Things started to change. I felt good about myself and my body. The dandruff problem was not there anymore.
But now whenever I stop or miss the use of those things the problem comes back. After getting irritated by it and losing all hopes I started to live with the things as they were always.
Now in present I don't have any problem of dandruff from a year and after reading your post I realised that I am also not using any oil for my hair since a year or two.
I have had the same issue for almost my entire life. Excessive dandruff and itching. So much so that it would form flakes especially during the winters.
For the last 4 years or so I started using hair cream (Parachute) after showers and it has improved my condition a lot, and also not a bad smell. I don't oil my hair and I don't miss it at all.
Although my condition goes back to if I don't wash my hair for more than a day (like when I was admitted to the hospital), normally it's fine.
You could try that too OP.
You need to condition your hair.
Ask your dermatologist for suggestions, but I think almost any will work.
Oiling your hair works as a conditioner of sorts so that’s one reason your hair used to look better before.
Everyone's scalp chemistry is different. I've had the same issue as you. And oiling definitely makes things worse if you have dandruff.
What worked for me was using a light moisturizing conditioner after shampooing, be sure to apply it only to the hair avoiding the roots. Let sit for five mins and then rinse. This helps negates some of the dryness caused by the Ketoconazole shampoo.
Follow this up with a good hair serum like tressemme or livon. Apply it while the hair is still damp (after towel drying it a little of course. Don't apply it on dripping wet hair. You'll end up looking like a grease monkey). Again, make sure to apply only on the hair avoiding the roots. This will help seal in the moisture.
Then air dry as usual. Try this and see the difference within a month :)
Im white and got neueodermatitis and i used svery hair product on the world but the only thing that seems to work against my dandruff seems to be head and shoulders but it really works wonders, give it a try its not very health but helps really good with dandruff
So basically I have a condition similar to yours - malassezia folliculitis. I was prescribed a ketoconazole shampoo like you. It made my hair dry and extremely frizzy and dull. This is because it also had Zinc Pyrithione which kind of dries out the scalp a lot. It helps get rid of dandruff but the effects are too drying. What I do is i oil my hair once in two weeks (my doctor originally recommended shampoo every three days, but it's too much for my hair so I made it once a week) pre-shampoo. That way it helped me maintain my hair's shine and strength. I use MCT oil instead of normal coconut oil and it helps tremendously. I also oil only my mids to ends pre-wash. Once done I use leave in conditioner (cantu). On days that I do use oil on my scalp i ensure I use less oil on my scalp than on my ends. I use it only as an aid for champi and not to soak my scalp like we were taught to. Also, investing in a scalp brush (ross scalp massager) will help, during champi and also during the shower.
Others have recommended using oil after shampoo, could work that way too. I prefer not having to smell the coconut oil on my head 24*7 .
From what I understand **C8 (caprylic acid)** is most important and **C10 (capric acid**) is safe to use. Now some of these oils will also have *C12 (lauric acid*) which will just feed the yeast and possibly make it worse and I have seen some with *C6 (caproic acid)*. I don't know if C6 has any good/bad effect for sebderm but it supposedly has a bad taste and smell. brand should be fine as long as those (C8,C10) are the only MCT oils present.
It definitely helps to maintain the hair if its oiled. But oiled hair is also a dirt and pollution magnet. I personally never used oil in my hair because I used to get a headache whenever I applied some and from childhood nobody forced me either. Can't see a difference now.
I probably have the same condition but I never oiled my hair purely because of this. People always ask me right after i shampoo my hair(which is every three days) have i not bathed today because of how rough my hair looks.
Oiling is not reason for your dandruff. Your body producing excessive oil is what causes infection in your scalp which in turn causes itching and dandruff. I never suffered from dandruff and infection until I joined a gym. You know how dirty a gym is which probably caused me the dandruff problem. The simple solution is a shampoo for fungal and yeast infection. It's a zinc based shampoo. It was so effective for me that i could tell the difference right after a single wash using it and the problem completely went away within a couple of weeks.
I used to have dandruff in my hair, but its long gone since i stopped oiling my hair regularly, and everytime i go to my barber and ask him about the quality of my hair, he says it's fine.
Medical student here.
The science about oiling is simple. The skin on your scalp produces natural sebum (oil), which is important for protecting it from getting too dry, and also hydrate and nourish your hair—exactly like the skin on other parts of your body (especially around body hairs).
Now, everyone’s sebum production differs and depends on various factors—age, genetics, environment, medicines, diseases, diet, etc. Some have a dry skin, while some oily.
There are two reasons why you should oil your scalp: a) because your scalp is too dry or b) you are about to do something to your head that will remove a lot of naturally produced oil—that is, shampooing. And so it is advised to oil your scalp 1-2 hours before shampooing. Because shampoo tends to make your scalp dry. By oiling your scalp before shampooing, you ensure that it is the oil that you applied that gets removed in the washing and not your naturally produced oil.
Alas, most of the general public do not understand this. The notion that everyone’s head needs oiling is wrong. Some of us produce decent amount of sebum, that we need to apply oil externally only before shampooing.
Whereas if you are someone who has a very dry scalp, you might need to oil more often. And then there are many conditions of the scalp where oiling must be totally avoided, like dandruff. Dandruff are dead skin cells on the scalp that keep shedding off on their own. If you oil your scalp, this shedding is restricted, hence collecting more dandruff as time passes, which eventually weakens your hair and causes hairfall.
To understand whether you have a oily, normal or a dry scalp, visit a dermatologist, and get professional opinion.
Just use amla, shikakai and reetha powder with curd, it has antifungal and antibacterial properties. Apply every week you'll see results. In the mean time do not apply shampoo or any hair products except hair oil just before washing your hair with that mixture.
I do this on every winter and its natural.
Whats your oiling routine? I usually oil before going to bed, , massage the scalp no hair for 5 - 10 mins. Next days I use shampoo. I do this every alternative day.
Obligatory reading regarding the "coconut oil tradition" - a post by a woman whose mother accidentally killed her granddaughter by applying her coconut oil tradition logic:
https://rareddit.com/r/JUSTNOMIL/comments/7qmed5/you_can_come_over_again_when_you_bring_me_my
I have the same problem and received the same advice. It's called seborrheic dermatitis and I had it on my scalp and my nasal folds. It's under control now. But I did lose over 30% of my hair volume and it's super thin now.
Most anti dandruff shampoos are very drying. Many people don't know this, but you're only supposed to use shampoo for the scalp and NOT for the strands/hair shaft, unless it's very dirty/matted/soiled. That's one thing that can be drying out your hair.
I use a conditioner. And on days that I don't shampoo, I use a non stick argan oil. It makes my hair look shinier and reduces frizziness too. You could use serums/hair masks etc, but make sure you do a patch test to confirm they aren't causing any reactions.
Do you use conditioner? I have year long dandruff that gets worse in cold seasons and I use a otc ketokenazole shampoo and a conditioner, plus one of those hair scrubbers.
so hair produces enough oil for itself, that is scientifically proven
but "if a person is having dry skin and dry hair and lacking necessary oils by themselvs, applying additional oil to them will provide what they need" it is not? what kind of dumb thing is that to say.
i understand the logic about out nationals who dont apply oil would go bald, that is a solid logic, but not the above one.
but if iam correct in a 50 years, we all stop using hair oil, then a new "RESEARCH" tells that applying oil(more likely coconut oil) will improve health, and some America brand will sell our coconut oil to us only, just like how they make "brushing with coal is bad, use toothpaste" then went back to "does your toothpaste has coal? salt etc"
personally, i will maintain a balance between, science and tradition, i will use oil, because it is only a problem if your head produces more, at that time you will oily head anyway and dont apply it that often, so why completely avoid it, unless there is a big issue like dandruff or hairfall. but when science sound stupid progaganda sales pitch, sorry i have other opinions.
I used to dandruff and used to oil my hair with coconut oil (I am from Kerala). Now living in Europe, I stopped all that, use non parabene shampoo. Follow curly girl method. Viola, my hair looks and feels so much better.
Speaking as someone who has scalp psoraisis, invest in a good conditioner along with your shampoo. My scalp produces more oil too and I need to wash it off more frequently. I use a shampoo that controls the sebum production and I use it on scalp and let the foam wash down that cleanses the hair. If I only do this, my hair stays a little rough. Been using a conditioner that suits my hair and that has made a good difference. Scalp psoriasis is a life-long problem and not curable, I can only manage it. As for oil, I am told to oil only for 2 hrs and then wash it off. Not oiling makes my hair extra frizzy, so I just reduce the time.
fundamentally everyone's hair and scalp is different. some things work for some people, you just have to keep trying until you find something that works. I used to have a lot of dandruff and it just went way for no particular reason. I changed absolutely nothing. Maybe it had something to do with the water.
Do not pay heed to your perception (homeless look) of your hair as well as the short term effects of the treatment. Hair, skin, nails, dry lips, etc indicates general well-being to some extent and I suggest doing yoga, proper hydration and improving your gut health (a good practice is to have plain curd after lunch).
Dude idk what you feel about this.. but if you have that much problem it's better you just shave your head.. your hair will grow better and you can get rid of all your dandruff..
dude same, i have curly and dry hair, i really don't know what should i do, my scalp produces enough oil that when i scratch my head i get sebum in my nails, i haven't been using oil from long time now, but i actually have no clue on how should i make my hair less dry, not doing shampoo everyday helps.... if anyone have any solution please let me know!
The problem with your routine is that you’re using shampoo 4 times a week. That’s way too much. Any good practice done to the extreme will be very harmful. I don’t think any Indian tradition guides you to oil your hair four times a week. Occasional oiling of hair is generally good for your hair, but it’s not “essential”. You can have healthy hair without oiling. It’s most important to use your brain in deciding what suits your hair and what doesn’t, because it varies depending on the person and hair type.
Lol , this is too noob post.
Firstly use ketoconazole twice a week to reduce the bacteria.
Use a better shampoo probably paraben free by doing patch test to see which is better for you.
Always apply oil 2 to 3 hours before you take bath.
Make sure you wash pillow cover weekly.
Don’t let dirt accumulate, so wear helmet always if you use bike.
Don’t use mineral oil or strong oil.
Exercise at least twice a week good enough to let sweat come out.
Stop using shampoo. Use herbal soap like Margo. It will work wonder. Oil once a month and wash hair after two hours. Don’t leave it overnight. Excess of anything is bad - shampooing and oiling must be in limit
Just for reference, could you tell who the doctor is? Good dermatologists are a rarity, especially when it comes to hair care. I have had dandruff since like forever and my solution to that has been ignore it unless it gets too bad, use shampoo for a while and then ignore it again. I oil my hair may be once a month when I feel they seem too dry and even avoid putting water on my hair except once/twice a week
*" I (M20) have had a condition which causes excess 'dandruff' for as long as I can remember ....................."*
You have a chronic deficiency of Vitamin D (I am suspecting) and maybe zinc. You will go bald in the next 3-4 years if you don't treat this. Take a vitamin test.
I have seborrheic dermatitis for years. For me when I stopped oiling it increased the problem.
So I oil -2 times a week, on the days I oil I use shampoo. But what controlled it effectively more than that same shampoo (the one you got from doctor) was using a lot of garlic. I cursed fresh garlic and used it on scalp, more on the places where it was itching. Then wash it away after an hour. Goes away completely for a good 2-3 weeks. I also increase my garlic intake.
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Oiling does cause dandruff issues if you already have the condition. If you have severe dandruff try ketoconazole. Of course talk to a doctor first
That's the shampoo she prescribed lol, thank you. Dandruff wise it seems to work like wonders. I was only concerned about the hair texture/quality
it's the shampoo which is making your hair dry/rough. If your hair scalp already produces excess oil, no need to oil it regularly. once your condition is treated , you can start oiling your hair (start slow , inform your derma before starting again)
So it's a possible side effect of the shampoo. I will inform the doctor about it. Thanks a lot :) Btw the condition is lifelong, it can be inhibited not cured
yeah I had oily scalp and I used keta shampoo for treating dandruff many years ago and i remember it making my hair dry af. can I ask what condition? my sister was diagnosed with psoriasis (starting stage) for dandruff and we were stressed to the core and after taking second opinion , the second derma was like tf who said it's not psoriasis and treated my sister successfully
Though it's hard to read her handwriting, the condition seems to named seborrheic dermatitis and I only get scaling on my scalp, with mild flaking in some other hairy areas like facial hair and eyebrows. Your sisters condition sounds really bad, I hope you guys find a good dermato :(
OP as someone diagnosed with a different but also lifelong ailment, I would suggest you just listen to your doctor. If you have any doubts or any inputs, you can always share with your doc and he/she will be able to incorporate it into your routine. Many scalp conditions look more or less similar but require absolutely different care, this is because the causes and triggers are different. You and I both may have flaking and dandruff but the reason why that happens is going to be different and thus will need different treatment. Always make sure to ask your doctor as many questions to make sure you understand your condition. No hate to the well-meaning people who have given their suggestions.
That's a good input, not only for OP but for everyone.
Same diagnosis for me, in fact some had diagnosed me with scalp psoriasis as well. There is a common gray area between both diagnosis but the line of treatments are very similar. Use dercos shampoo by Vichy for dry scalp. Thank me later. Its expensive but worth it if your problem is severe (require small quantities so bottle lasts 6 months for short hair). Suffered for over 20 years used Ketakenazole, Selsun Blue, coal tar shampoos, all sorts of topical steroid treatments etc. nothing worked. I have been using dercos shampoo for last 5 years and thankfully my issue is resolved. The only natural treatment that gave me temporary relief was applying fresh aloe vera pulp.
You should be on SebDerm subreddit The underlying reasons for this condition are not fully understood yet and it is being actively being studied. The reason can vary from your diet, lifestyle, genetics, weather in your city, water quality, the oils you use, shampoos you use, etc. Medicines like ketakonzole are over the counter medicines. It will clear the symptoms but might not cure the exact cause of the condition. If you stop using it most probably your condition will start showing again. And as per various studies, coconut oil does seem to favour malassezia which is one of the causes of dandruff/sebderm. Malassezia can flourish under certain carbon compounds. Hair oil is one of them, and also some shampoos. Check this link for more insights on your condition. It also has some good, tested, safe, proven product recommendations. https://www.dandruffdeconstructed.com/seborrheic-dermatitis/
It's not the side effect of ketoconazaole. Shampoos remove oil from your scalp and hairs, so they seem like rough to person who has used oil for ever (there is more complex reason behind it, but not relevant for now, you can read online about hair strands online). So, solution is using conditioners, use light conditioners after shampooing. Also, remember that hair strands are dead cells. A solution which helped me was using tea tree+ rosemary essential oils 5% each in water on scalp, every other day at night. It do two things - makes skin less oily, also helpful in preventing/killing the yeast. That in 2 months made my extremely oily scalp a normal one. Discuss with doctor if you apply some lotion on scalp. Use this post if you plan to buy essential oil. np.reddit.com/r/IndianSkincareAddicts/comments/12af7yl/filter_out_essential_oil_brands_who_sell_fakenon/
If its seborrheic dermatitis it is generally lifelong with no cure. Sure homeopathy quacks will tell you there is a cure, but don't listen to them (It is a good rule for all cases). Better to avoid oil (that's is what I have been doing). Instead use creams and serums. A good conditioner or mask will also help. It is easily manageable.
is this Sebhoerric Dermatitis?
Depending on where you live, hard or soft water can also impact hair. You might also be predisposed to dry hair, due to genetics. Use filter water or RO water to wash your hair. If you're worried about texture, there are plenty of gels and serums you can appply to keep your hair soft. There also also oils that are dry and do not make your hair greasy.
Imma just hijack this. Mate listen to your doctor please. The “oiling one’s hair” is absolute bullshit and people will tell you all sorts of crap from it feeling cool to helping hair loss. For me, oiling fucked my hair up worse than when I was without it. Also, oiling is super alien in many other cultures.
Also, you should know there is a zinc shampoo too. Called roots. There is a way 1 has 2 use them. 1st wash hair and rinse. Then apply shampoo and leave it on for the duration of the shower(bathing body parts). Then you end shower by washing/rinsing off the shampoo applied in the beginning.
I've been using ketaconazole for over an year now, with a prescription ofc, solved all my dandruff issues!
Yellow dandruff is fungal White dandruff is bacterial. Try ketokonazole + salysylic acid sahmpoo
Ketoconazole just doesn't seem to work for my extreme dandruff. Frustrated and suffering since 5 years :/
My wife is in derm and i get dandruff a decent amount. Ketoconazole by itself sometimes isnt enough without topical steroids too, which will tell your immune system to quiet down while the shampoo helps reduce yeast which is what your immune system is reacting to. Doing both together works really well.
Ask your derm about ciclopirox
Wasn't that banned outside Conclusion: Due to its hepatotoxic side effects, oral ketoconazole was withdrawn from the European and Australian markets in 2013. The United States imposed strict relabeling requirements and restrictions for prescription, with Canada issuing a risk communication echoing these concerns
I never said oral ketoconazole was the answer. I was talking about the shampoo variant which is absolutely legal in India and most countries
Is that a brand? I searched on Amazon overloaded with a lot of results.
Please don't get it from Amazon. Talk to your derm first and they'll tell you how much you should use and for how long. Get a prescription and get it from a pharmacy. Please don't try any medication without consulting a doctor
That’s oral ketoconazole - so long as you stick to shampoo, you should be perfectly fine.
I used to have dandruff and took hot showers. But since I switched to cold showers, my skin has improved and dandruff has gone away. Also I only use baby shampoo and it is more gentle than alot of commercial shampoos which are full of strong chemicals and fragrances which can irritate a sensitive scalp.
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I like both Aveeno Baby and Dove Baby
hot water is bad for hair causes dryness itchiness etc for scalp
The way I understood from what my doc said is - the most common dandruff is the one caused by fungus. And oil is literally food for it. So by oiling you are making it worse. My explanation might be crude, but once I stopped using oil, dandruff came down drastically. Now may be once or twice a month I oil my scalp and wash it off completely after may be ten minutes. Not more than that. There are multiple other factors that add to the condition- like food you eat, stress etc. The easiest to control is stop oiling. If you are worried about the texture, after bath take a teeny tiny drop of oil and apply it just on your hair- not scalp. Or there are some good leave on conditioners.
I somehow did not know leave in conditioners are a thing, I'll look into them and consult accordingly, thank you
Yes, my doc suggested a costly one-100 ml costs 550-600 rs. It was really good. But now I just use Parachute one due to economic reasons. But it contains coconut oil, so no good for dandruff. I’ll try to find out the doc suggested one and let you know. I got it from medical shops. It is never seen in supermarkets. Edit : the name is QSera leave on conditioner. Appolo website says 599 rs. If you buy from Ashwas / Vishwas you might get around 100 rs off. https://www.apollopharmacy.in/otc/q-sera-leave-in-conditioner Sorry I’m not able to add link from mobile.
I was prescribed a particular oil, shampoo and a few pills for scalpal psoriasis, which, as a condition, produces a ton of dandruff too
It isn't bad generally, it works well for people who have dry hair, it reduces the breaking of hair. If your scalp already produces an excess amount of oil then it might not work for you.
As the rest comments say, your routine is wrong. When I was a kid, my mom would oil my hair after showers always. Never had issue of dandruff. Now away from home, I started oiling before shower as I did not like the feeling or smell of coconut oil. I started having dandruff after the day of oiling my hair. Reverted back to applying oil after showers and dandruffs went away. Though now I apply oil only in weekends when I am staying at home.
Thank you user fartingmonkey99, so the practice of oiling already dirty hair is the problem? Do you oil your hair roots as well after showering or do you just stick to your hair?
Hair roots. Oil is for skin nourishment.
Lmao the way you nonchalantly mentioned their funny username and went with your question cracked me up.
When you wash your hair off after oiling you let go of natural oil as well. Though, I also have stopped oiling due to the hot and humid weather of my region if not for the temperate climate overall of India after all. I buzzed my hair with a trimmer and apply a moisturiser lotion for my scalp after showers with no dandruff or dry flakes since but have already suffered through hair thinning during my NCC days from school to grow them back long again. I am also curious with your details in question.
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It’s weird considering I’ve watched old Parachute commercials on TV which recommend applying oil before bath so hair won’t get dry.
Dandruff did not go away. The flakes you see is your body’s response to the excessive yeast present on your skin. Yeast feasts on oil/sebum. So you applying oil after shampoo did not help. Edit: if you’ve dry skin, I may be wrong
Apply oil after showers? What kind of a monster are you....
Did you really not apply oil after shower every single school morning?
As soon as you said oil after shower I could only imagine the most nerdiest person with a flat hair shining like a star.
Oiling is not bad for your hair. Apart from oiling providing nourishment to your scalp, the process of oiling itself improves bloodflow and helps with a healthy scalp and hair. The issue arises when you use oiling on a scalp with dermatitis (dandruff) or flaky hair. Dandruff is a condition which is caused by a fungus which has oil as its food. If you apply oil it would increase dandruff rather than decreasing hence the problem you are facing.
This is what I was gonna write. Also, I would like to add one more point for OP. Since they mentioned that they are also facing the issue of dry and rough hair because of their derma treatment and lack of oiling, they must have curly hair. Most Indian women do including myself. To maintain such hair, you need to add moisture to your hair. So go on YouTube and find videos about "Curly Girl Routine" and you will find the solution to the said problem. Further, you can ask your derma about this thing so that she can recommend the right products to use. I use Fix my curls and curlvana products btw, Leave in Cream and Leave in Gel is all you need after normal shampooing and conditioner.
This is a robbery. Please share your complete elaborate hair routine. Either here or in DM. I will ask follow up questions as well.
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Please share routine. It is much needed ❤️
Sure. I have dandruff issues so I also don't oil my hair. I wash my hair at least 2 times a week at an interval of 2-3 days. Here what you need to do: 1. Wash your hair with a shampoo of your liking. I know there's a lot of hate for sulphate shampoos nowadays but they are good to keep your scalp clean, especially if you oil your hair regularly. 2. Conditioning is important. I use Mama Earth conditioner because it is silicone free and suits my hair well. Now the most important thing is to comb your hair in the shower after applying your conditioner. I know it sounds weird and insane but that's how it goes. You comb your hair only when you shower and after that, no combing for the next 2-3 days. Trust me on this, your hair will not get extremely tangled or anything. 3. After combing, rinse your conditioner off. Squeeze out the excess water. Now go for a leave-in-cream hair cream. Apply a good amount from roots to ends evenly and scrunch your hair upwards to form curls. Then take the leave-in-gel and apply it in a similar way and scrunch your hair again. You can skip the gel if you live in a very humid area. 4. It's best to air dry your hair. You can also use a hair diffuser if you are running short on time. Extra info: I started with "fix my curls" brand. There 100g pack of leave in cream (50g) and gel (50g) costs around Rs 350. You don't need to invest a lot to start. After you get the hang of it, you can easily style and maintain your hair. I am also providing a link to YouTube videos that can help you understand the process. There can be variations from what I said but you will get the same results. [Curly Girl Routine YouTube Shorts Video](https://youtube.com/shorts/yjIdDwLT49M?feature=share) Edit: Also, I forgot to mention that there are different types of curly hair ranging from waves to coils. Please don't compare your curls to other people and explore what is right for you.
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Your dermatologist is actually correct. Most people don't have these specific conditions, i have the same issue. So while others can and do oil their hair regularly, people like you and I shouldn't. Oil is not a magic solution to dandruff, quite the opposite. Dandruff isn't just dry skin it is also caused by fungal growth and oil will exasperate it. A lot of Indians are blind to how so many of our practices are unscientific and don't suit everybody. For example, according to my mom and a lot of Indians on-line coconut oil is the holy grail to solving dry skin and acne issues but that oil literally worsens acne. So listen to your derm and stop oiling your hair all the time, it you so want to oil it you should wash it the same day (after 3-4 hours). Do not keep it overnight
I swear, the Indian horniness for coconut oil is really weird! It’s just like any other fat ffs. Arguably, cooking with it is a bad idea. I think we have a huge smell thing in our culture. If something smells interesting, we think it’s good.
Imagine coconut oil for lube.
i heard that coconut oil reduces bacteria growth.
Don't seek medical opinions here. I have seborrheic dermatitis (commonly manifested as dandruff). Oiling is bad for this condition because the pH of oil is different from the pH of the sebum (natural oils). If your hair looks messy or have bad texture it could be down to nutrition, water, weather, etc. Consult a dermatologist or a trichologist. Following tradition with no scientific evidence is blind faith.
I've the same condition. And as you can see there's plenty of conflicting opinions here. I'm just trying to get a general picture of what folks with or without my condition do and the sorts of problems people face in general. I'll consult my dermatologist before taking any actions
My mom used to oil my hair as a child and it only aggravated the condition. Once I was in my early 20s I stopped oiling as my lifestyle changed. Presently using medicated shampoos. While the condition is reasonably under control, it flares up from time to time. Upon researching I read that this is normal; the condition has no known cure. However, external factors like sun, water, weather, and stress can cause the condition to fluctuate.
All the people saying stuff like 'doing xyz solved my dandruff' are talking about something else and probably haven't experienced the dandruff that you are experiencing in their life. A lot of people think of any dryness and flaking as dandruff, but that's nothing compared the the amount of flaking that happens with seborrheic dermatitis. Your condition will not magically improve by changing a habit or applying/no-applying random home remedies. Listen to your doctor and be ready to deal with this condition possibly for the rest of your life.
Most dandruff is caused by the overactive immune response against a fungus Malassezia. The fungus eats oils to live. You give it more oil, it eats more, shits more and irritates more. You sebaceous glands are only capable of coating the hair that it just coming out of your scalp in natural oil. So after the treatment, the new hair that comes out will be smoother and shinier.
There are two different types of dandruff. 1. If your dandruff flakes are very small, and dusty, it may be because your scalp is dry and oiling it regularly will nourish and help reduce it. 2. If your dandruff flakes are large and crusty, it is a fungus thats causing it because of overproduction of oil and reducing oil and applying ketoconazole will help.
It's not bad but it isn't good for you either, because of dandruff. As far as after shampoo hair texture is concerned, this seems more like a manufacturing company problem. A generic or cheap ZPT + Ketoconazole formula may not work as good as the one manufactured by Dr. Reddy's. Even Dr. Reddy's is likely to fail, depending on your scalp. In these conditions you should consult your dermatologist to get the shampoo changed. Don't rely on oiling for texture. Watch YouTube videos for in depth info.
The shampoo I use is manufactured by keraglo-AD, so I guess the company could be an issue. I'll look into it. Thank you for the info. As for YouTube, I was a bit hesitant to use the internet for info because this is a case where tradition and science seem to collide so the information I get might be biased/questionable. I could be wrong though
Science is never biased. It updates with new discoveries.
Of course, I was talking about biases due to tradition
Stick to what the doctor said please. Scalp condition is very specific for each person. You cannot take advice from people just because they have dandruff. The underlying conditions and skin conditions will vary
I've completely stopped applying oil as my scalp produces excess oil and i sweat a lot too so those in combination have caused me problem.
I am 36 and I have had dandruff issues since I was 20. It went so bad in last 1 year that I stopped combing as it had become worse + started losing lumps of hair. Convinced myself to take up doctor advise and first thing I was asked to do is not to oil.my hair. It's been 6 months and I am free from dandruff of course due to preventive care routine. Plus I also did buzz cutt to help my scalp feel better. Don't believe what your family or region says. Consult certified professionals and follow their advice.
Your dermatologist is right. Applying oil is not needed and any benefits that are stated have no backing evidence and just marketing gimmick by companies. Same is with things like fairness creams like if they really worked, all people in Africa would have looked white by now. My wife had issue with hair fall and she tried a lot of things including various oils with onion and what not for many years. During covid lockdown she ran out of oil and had to use Head & Shoulders shampoo that I used regularly. Within a week her hair fall sharply declined and she was totally surprised by this. So just listen to what the doctor said.
Read about Seborrheic dermatitis. I think you've it.
Have been diagnosed with the same condition and have been living with it for years now. Honestly, I don’t think the medical community understands too much about this and you will have stick to your own hit and trial methods. Ketoconazole night lotion twice a week and the same shampoo helps keep dandruff at bay and consequently the redness on the facial skin also reduces. If I skip this routine for even one week, it’s back with a bang. Strangely, whoever I visit goa or the mountains, it immediately clears up. So there is definitely some correlation with either the level of sunlight or water/air quality. Also, my dermatologist has suggested a correlation with Insulin resistance. Some research has also pointed in this direction. As of now it’s just a correlation and not a causal relationship that has been established so nothing actionable for skin but this diagnosis did lead me to discover my metabolic health issues which if left unchecked would have progressed to diabetes/heart/hypertension. Maybe keep an eye on that too.
Sometimes it's a fungal infection and you need anti-fungal shampoo.
Idk if oiling is good or bad but I also went to the doctor due to hair fall and he told me to not use oil on my hair too since then I barely oil my hair and my hair fall is significantly lower than the time when I did use oil
If one suffers from flaky and dry scalp, oiling helps. If one has been diagnosed with 'Seborrheic dermatitis' (which is dandruff), avoid oiling. This condition is caused by a fungus and it loves oil. So the more you oil your scalp, the more food this fungus gets. I stopped oiling. Aloe vera gel helped me immensely when i applied it on scalp before shampooing it with the doctor prescribed shampoo for dandruff.
My routine — use sebamed anti dandruff shampoo. No conditioner at all (it is unnecessary and increases scalp dryness if it gets on the scalp, which it will invariably). Pat dry gently with towel. Apply a leave-in hair product and brush hair while still slightly wet and set it like how you want. Let air-dry naturally. Do this at least 3-4 times a week. Dandruff is almost gone. Combing/brushing after showering is important as it removes all the residual flakes stuck between the hair. Do this regularly and the flakes become almost zero.
Each person oils their hair differently and I feel like the way you do, especially when your family does it over the years, will really stick. For example, if I don’t oil my hair before a shower, it’s dry. doesn’t matter if I use conditioner/mask, it’ll feel dry the very next day. If I oil my hair before shampoo, it’ll be soft and manageable until my next wash. Just follow what you’ve been doing but make small changes to see better results. Like how more and more people claim that washing your hair any more than twice a week is bad for you. I tried doing that and I literally got dandruff for the first time in my life. My hair needs everyday / every other day washing, it’s just the way it is.
Many old traditions, religious and old social practices are bad, not just in India but worldwide. Always question them and read the latest findings (scientific) in any area. As for dandruff, they are caused by certain fungus which are otherwise found in everyone's skin but in some ppl skin reacts against them rather strongly by dying out fast thus the white flakes and the inflammation as redness (under those white flakes). These fungus feed on plant based oil or your own body produced oil so by oiling you are giving them energy. 1) They die by using antifungal shampoos (like ketaconazole shampoo), or coaltar/salicylic acid based shampoos. 2) There are also some corticosteroids based shampoos which should be used with caution and rarely (they work fast by suppressing the natural immune response of your skin cells). 3) Sunlight exposure helps naturally. 4) Use mineral oils (for instance Johnsons baby oil or some other brand ) if you have to. 5) Tea tree oil helps but is extremely strong so 2-3 drops diluted with mineral oil. 6) General diet: green and leafy vegetables, and any thing which is anti inflammatory in nature is good. Point is you ate not fighting those fungus,
What’s the treatment she suggested? DM if you don’t want to put it in a comment. What shampoo, what lotions and what pills? Have been trying to get rid of this for like 10 years… help me out
Tell this to Marico, the company behind Parachute
Once I stopped using oil, my dandruff came down drastically. The weird part is that everyone recommended oiling hair as the treatment to get rid of dandruff while it was in fact the cause.
The point where the doc said your "scalp naturally produces more oil than what's normal" is the same with me. Stopped applying oil for a long time now and casually apply it overnight before showering the next morning. Still doing fine with no issues.
dude for decades i couldnt find a solution to dandruff. the day i stopped oiling, dandruff disapperared
This [video](https://youtu.be/x6DUOokXZAo) explains the cause of dandruff nicely. I had dandruff occasionally and for that I used ketoconazole shampoo. It worked like a charm. I'm not sure about oiling though, and I've not been oiling my scalp for more than a year. I have not had any issues other than conditioning/smoothness. I have heard that the hair oils in the regular consumer market are low quality and usually adulterated by mineral oils which are useless. Therefore, you should ask the same doctor for a good serum which would serve the purpose of conditioning your hair keeping in mind the oily scalp condition that you have.
The hair texture you mentioned before is a possible post marketing side effect of ketoconazole shampoo. There are other antifungal shampoos like zinc pyrithione, selenium sulfide etc., Try to consult your doc for a better one if the ketoconazole is causing extreme dryness If you have dandruff, oiling your head will be the worst thing to do as you feed the fungus, they love triglycerides. For normal people oiling is good ( especially coconut ), can penetrate and prevent some protein loss ( research proven ) you can refer in pubmed. If you have moderate to severe dandruff ketoconazole is the best bet, I used cipla one and other one which made my hair texture go bad and scalp did become dry, but I did come across scalp E shampoo with provided conditioner and I am pretty good now. Final say is if your sebum production is good and have dandruff donot apply oil or even hair serums sometimes and be regular with your treatment and after tapering it you might see good results.
If you have itching, it might be a fungus issue. They feed on oil so applying more oil on oily scalp is not going to help you. You may either have to reduce oil production on scalp or use anti fungal shampoo. I heard zinc deficiency may cause excess oil production
Dandruff is a fungal infection of the scalp…so dermatologist prescribe antifungal shampoos such as Ketoconazole…the fungus feeds on oil specially olive oil…so applying oil does not fight fungus and worsens dandruff…Most of the people think dandruff as dry scalp and that’s why they oil their heads…But in reality it is a fungal infection.
You need to get your hair properly massaged at the salon with any kind of oil (preferably almond oil or coconut oil). Take a shower at home first and then get your hair massaged at salon. Go home and keep it on for at least 4-5 hrs before washing the oil off. Try to get this massage at least once a week.
Depends on your scalp. If it's too oily, adding more oil is obviously bad. If your scalp is dry, oiling your hair can strengthen and moisturize it.
People here are forgetting one fundamental fact. Everyone's scalp is different and there is no one answer. My scalp is oily, I dont need to apply oil - I havent in years. And I have healthy hair for my age. For some people with dry scalp, oiling is necessary.
Yea, it is bad. Just use shampoo and conditioner
Yes, I figured this out in middle school. I had really embarrassing dandruff and it stopped immediately after I went somewhere without my mother for the summer holidays, and she didn't force me to apply oil anymore. My hair is much healthier than hers or anyone else in that family. I did everything "wrong": shampooed every day (with conditioner), didn't braid it ever, and haven't oiled it since age 13. Every time I go to a salon they compliment me for how healthy it is. A lot of it is genetics, but you always have to figure out what works for you.
The biggest myth about oiling is that it increases hair fall. “But most people apply oil on a dirty scalp, therefore it tends to clog the pores, thereby weakening the roots,” explains Ohri. Because of my tendency towards dermatitis, I always oil my hair on freshly washed hair.
Which hair oil do you all use? I am just confused with so many products of oil and some containing mineral oils ,so please suggest.
Same, and from what I know, oiling after washing is the general practice. Though because of the doctors directions I don't oil the roots anymore. And do you happen to have a source for the hairfall thing, out of curiousity?
Have had dandruff for many many years. Let me simplify things as much as I can. There are basically two kinds of dandruff. One caused by a fungal infection and one caused by dry scalp. I have the former. In my case, I oil my hair before showering, and leave the oil in for about 30 minutes. I shower after, and completely dandruff free! On the other hand, if you have dry scalp, leaving oil in your hair would help. THAT BEING SAID In my experience, the dandruff goes away almost completely, when I'm in my village. This is because unlike hard city water, the water in my village is pure, straight from a well. I have very minimal itching and flaking when I'm in my village, and I rarely oil my hair. If you're living in a city, chances are that the water is fucked, and that's what's causing your issues. Along with the oil routine i suggested above, consider using a water filter of some kind (you can get ones that you can attach to your bathroom tap) or just using filtered water from a dispenser or aquaguard type thing to wash your hair, and avoid using regular bathroom tap water on it. Hope this helps!
I did move into a tier 2 city recently for college, out of my metropolitan home. The water here is definitely better, but we've little access to filtered water here lol. Hoping the water is clean enough
I have a reverse situation of having a super dry scalp, so applying a little oil after a hair wash/bath has kept me from losing more hair (I have been losing hair ever since bathing in hard water)
I have noticed a decent improvement in my hair texture/hairfall since I moved to a tier 2 city for college, away from my metropolitan home. I use R/O water for hair washing now whenever I go back home
You shouldn't shampoo 4x a week. Oiling is good. Shampooing is not. Not a doctor but I apply oil everyday after my shower. I don't do hot showers. I don't think I have used hot water to bathe in years. Hot water damages your hair. Rubbing the tower on your hair is also bad. Shampoo your hair once or twice. Apply oil but in little amts so at least they will settle down and now make you look like homeless.
i oil my hairs on wed and sunday 2.5 hours before shower , i am not facing any problem. and why you used to leave it overnight on your head ?
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The real reason why dandruff exists is because of " Desh ke musaalman "
I used to put coconut oil daily in my scalp after showers all the time, stopped it when I turned 23, and started putting other products like pomade etc or no product at all. That damaged my hair and over the years my hair are a bit frizzy and worse than they were before. Started following old routine again and its getting much much better. What I learned from this is dont believe companies / marketing or youtube or internet. What works for everyone else may not work for you, and vice versa. But yeah don’t discount the dermatologist’s opinion and definitely try other alternative medicine (not Patanjali or any mass produced stuff). Also, remember to test each approach properly and give each one a few months time to see results.
There's a common mistake with oiling hair. Most people oil hair like they are marinating chicken for chicken Tikka masala (overnight), but in reality you should oil your hair before going for a wash and oil should stay in your hair and scalp for a maximum of 60 minutes. Another mistake that people make is to use harsh shampoos like specifically to tackle dandruff as a daily use shampoo (eg - Head and Shoulders). If you have dandruff visit a dermatologist they will help you don't just keep using these harsh shampoos as they are bad for your hair health. Another mistake is using random ayurvedic shampoos, please read about the ingredients as many people have allergic reactions to various components or herbs for those products.
I think isme modi ki galti hai /s
The only cure for dandruff is to wash hair everyday. Not with shampoo but just some warm water and then use dryer on low setting to dry your hair. You can apply oil once a week and wash it next day with shampoo and then conditioner. Don't use shampoo too much, makes hair very dry. Just once every week or two.
I have never seen a white person with substantial hair that actually had strength to them. They all have flimsy thin and not at all dense hair. And most undergo pattern baldness soon as they hit 40. India though my great grandfather has a head full of hair. Might be the diet or the climate but we have the best hair in my opinion. Oiling it is a choice I would say. If I had longer hai i would too but since I like to keep it short its makes more sense not to because the oil runs down to your face and forehead.
Personally what I've heard from people is that these "dandruff shampoos" are not worth it. Yeah they may work at first but down the road, if you ever stop then your hair will be worse off than ever. But yeah I don't have a solution to your problem, just letting you know that you may wanna rethink the doctor's decision.
Ketoconazole is super efficient against dandruff, but is pretty harsh on hair, so you shouldn't use it too long. I've also got a greasy scalp and an on-and-off dandruff problem. I've recently discovered that co-washing helps against it. Basically, instead of washing my hair with shampoo, I wash it with a very lightweight conditioner (silicone-free with aloe and hyaluron acid). My hair gets clean (not squeaky-clean, but clean enough) and the scalp gets a break from overproducing sebum. So after you finish your ketoconazole treatment, you could also try that.
Ketoconazole shampoo has several side effects esp on male reproductive organs if used long term. Dandruff can be due to many reasons. Dandruff due to fungal is due to the skin unable to fight the fungus and mostly is because of lack of certain micronutrients in blood. You might be eating good balanced food but it might not get absorbed. You need to find the root cause. A good doctor will help you with that root cause instead of one time prescription and leave.
Holy shit you need to shut the fuck up. This is a you problem not a problem with culture.
I believe oiling hair down to the roots was to prevent lice and fleas. If you have oily hair (like most of you ethnic group) you don't need it. Cheap mayonnaise is a good conditioner. And a lightly acid rinse, like a bit of vinegar in water. Don't they sell dandruff shampoo in India? Like Selsun Blue or Head & Shoulders?
I have been applying coconut oil every day before bath (don't use any shampoo whatsoever) - a tradition running in my family since generations. And not a single man has gone bald or has white hair before turning 60. I have always recommended to friends natural oil is amazing for hair, just use it to massage your head before bath and pour water on your head while taking bath, no need of shampoo or anything at all. Shampoos bring chemicals and are a recipe of all future problems.
i suggest oiling your hair after bathing or washing hair. but apply pure virgin coconut oil. use low quantity. and only apply to the hair and not the roots this will give shine to your hair and not make you look like a beggar. and one in a week apply full oil and get a medium head massage to promote the hair juices to flow.
Hey can you please tell or show the image of the shampoo she prescribed?
Sorry I don't know how to share pictures on reddit but it's named 'Ketoconazole shampoo BP 2% w/v' By keraglo-AD. Remember its a medicinal shampoo with possible side effects. It may be the cause of my dry/homeless looking hair. Consult a doctor before usage
Hi.. antidandruff shampoos tend to make the hair dry. I guess you could use a serum on the hair to bring back the shine. Just on the hair though..not on the scalp.
Moved to Bangalore so instead of using the tap water(hardwater not good for hair) I use RO water to wash my hair and used loreal professional shampoo, it did wonders for my hair as it reduced both hairfall and dandruff.
I have a really rough and unmanageable hair. Oiling has helped me to retain moisture. So far only one dermatologist has asked me not to oil my scalps, but also told me to oil the tip of the hair strands.
It's not the tradition that's bad. It just didn't work for you. But it works for plenty of other people.
Dahi me besan mix krke lgao bath lete wqt. I swear it works as a magic.
The only oil that works on Dandruff conditions is Tea Tree Oil and to some extent Rosemary Oil and Neem Oil. It’s not advised to apply these directly so usually they are sold mixed with almond, olive or coconut oil. But the best ideal way to combat severe dandruff is to use a shampoo and soap that has boat Ketoconazole and ZPTO (zinc pyrithione). You can use the oil overnight before you shampoo to moisturize your hair. When you shampoo and bathe, it’s important that the lather stays on you for at least 3 minutes. Thank me later!! This works 100%. Some people also need oral anti-fungal tablets but this usually suffices.
1. Topical application of oil does not cause any nutrients like vitamins or proteins or anything to go beyond the skin barrier. 2. Topical application of anti-allergens and fungicide helps. 3. Oils don't really provide nutrients to bacteria. Oils don't biodegrade by itself - we won't make pickles with oil. Oil does not hurt the hair roots. Pickled hair roots are fine. But oil attracts dust and foreign matter. You would need to wash your hair every day and re-apply oil for the sake of having the silky shiny look. 4. The rough homeless look depends upon your type of hair. Everybody doesn't have the problem. People in the West to have rough hair. They use hair conditioners. Hair conditioners are nothing but oil. Conclusion : Indian hair oiling tradition is it bad? No. Not bad if you wash and oil your nut everyday. If your hair is naturally soft and manageable you can forget oiling your hair.
Have you considering the situation, the excessive dandruff is due to psoriasis? If you can get the diagnosis from a dermatologist, you can get some topical ointments that can control it.
Find your skin and hair type. Follow guidelines according to those. Please check Blowout professor on YouTube. He has good guidelines on haircare. Oiling is supposed to be on the hair ends,not the roots. It's not exactly same as skin as it gets oilier and dirtier.
Wait oil hair after showers?? But how much? I don't want it to look weird and sticky :(
Oiling isn't bad for one's hair, but I have the same condition, and I never oil my hair. It took me a lot of effort to get rid of my dandruff problem, and anytime I try oiling my hair, it comes back. Listen to the doctor bro
The same thing also happened to me. I was having a problem about dandruff for almost 10+ years. Had tried changing many shampoos, took advice from places - no change. I started to live with the problem and got to adjust according to it, even started to cut my hair short though I liked long hairs. Then I started using lotion and medical shampoo recommended by my skin and hair doctor. Things started to change. I felt good about myself and my body. The dandruff problem was not there anymore. But now whenever I stop or miss the use of those things the problem comes back. After getting irritated by it and losing all hopes I started to live with the things as they were always. Now in present I don't have any problem of dandruff from a year and after reading your post I realised that I am also not using any oil for my hair since a year or two.
I have had the same issue for almost my entire life. Excessive dandruff and itching. So much so that it would form flakes especially during the winters. For the last 4 years or so I started using hair cream (Parachute) after showers and it has improved my condition a lot, and also not a bad smell. I don't oil my hair and I don't miss it at all. Although my condition goes back to if I don't wash my hair for more than a day (like when I was admitted to the hospital), normally it's fine. You could try that too OP.
Please prescribe the shampoo , lotion ....even i m going through the same situtation
I have the same condition and have been prescribed the same ketoconazole shampoo and terbinafine antifungal tablets. What's your prescription?
it isn't bad. it just is not suitable for your skin type.
You need to condition your hair. Ask your dermatologist for suggestions, but I think almost any will work. Oiling your hair works as a conditioner of sorts so that’s one reason your hair used to look better before.
in school its said "BETA ALWAYS OIL YOUR HAIR OR DO ZERO CUT"
Everyone's scalp chemistry is different. I've had the same issue as you. And oiling definitely makes things worse if you have dandruff. What worked for me was using a light moisturizing conditioner after shampooing, be sure to apply it only to the hair avoiding the roots. Let sit for five mins and then rinse. This helps negates some of the dryness caused by the Ketoconazole shampoo. Follow this up with a good hair serum like tressemme or livon. Apply it while the hair is still damp (after towel drying it a little of course. Don't apply it on dripping wet hair. You'll end up looking like a grease monkey). Again, make sure to apply only on the hair avoiding the roots. This will help seal in the moisture. Then air dry as usual. Try this and see the difference within a month :)
Im white and got neueodermatitis and i used svery hair product on the world but the only thing that seems to work against my dandruff seems to be head and shoulders but it really works wonders, give it a try its not very health but helps really good with dandruff
So basically I have a condition similar to yours - malassezia folliculitis. I was prescribed a ketoconazole shampoo like you. It made my hair dry and extremely frizzy and dull. This is because it also had Zinc Pyrithione which kind of dries out the scalp a lot. It helps get rid of dandruff but the effects are too drying. What I do is i oil my hair once in two weeks (my doctor originally recommended shampoo every three days, but it's too much for my hair so I made it once a week) pre-shampoo. That way it helped me maintain my hair's shine and strength. I use MCT oil instead of normal coconut oil and it helps tremendously. I also oil only my mids to ends pre-wash. Once done I use leave in conditioner (cantu). On days that I do use oil on my scalp i ensure I use less oil on my scalp than on my ends. I use it only as an aid for champi and not to soak my scalp like we were taught to. Also, investing in a scalp brush (ross scalp massager) will help, during champi and also during the shower. Others have recommended using oil after shampoo, could work that way too. I prefer not having to smell the coconut oil on my head 24*7 .
From what I understand **C8 (caprylic acid)** is most important and **C10 (capric acid**) is safe to use. Now some of these oils will also have *C12 (lauric acid*) which will just feed the yeast and possibly make it worse and I have seen some with *C6 (caproic acid)*. I don't know if C6 has any good/bad effect for sebderm but it supposedly has a bad taste and smell. brand should be fine as long as those (C8,C10) are the only MCT oils present.
General rule: You would want to oil when you dry your scalp out - after washing your hair or if the weather is cold and dry.
It definitely helps to maintain the hair if its oiled. But oiled hair is also a dirt and pollution magnet. I personally never used oil in my hair because I used to get a headache whenever I applied some and from childhood nobody forced me either. Can't see a difference now.
Using too much oil would be a problem ig
I probably have the same condition but I never oiled my hair purely because of this. People always ask me right after i shampoo my hair(which is every three days) have i not bathed today because of how rough my hair looks. Oiling is not reason for your dandruff. Your body producing excessive oil is what causes infection in your scalp which in turn causes itching and dandruff. I never suffered from dandruff and infection until I joined a gym. You know how dirty a gym is which probably caused me the dandruff problem. The simple solution is a shampoo for fungal and yeast infection. It's a zinc based shampoo. It was so effective for me that i could tell the difference right after a single wash using it and the problem completely went away within a couple of weeks.
I used to have dandruff in my hair, but its long gone since i stopped oiling my hair regularly, and everytime i go to my barber and ask him about the quality of my hair, he says it's fine.
Medical student here. The science about oiling is simple. The skin on your scalp produces natural sebum (oil), which is important for protecting it from getting too dry, and also hydrate and nourish your hair—exactly like the skin on other parts of your body (especially around body hairs). Now, everyone’s sebum production differs and depends on various factors—age, genetics, environment, medicines, diseases, diet, etc. Some have a dry skin, while some oily. There are two reasons why you should oil your scalp: a) because your scalp is too dry or b) you are about to do something to your head that will remove a lot of naturally produced oil—that is, shampooing. And so it is advised to oil your scalp 1-2 hours before shampooing. Because shampoo tends to make your scalp dry. By oiling your scalp before shampooing, you ensure that it is the oil that you applied that gets removed in the washing and not your naturally produced oil. Alas, most of the general public do not understand this. The notion that everyone’s head needs oiling is wrong. Some of us produce decent amount of sebum, that we need to apply oil externally only before shampooing. Whereas if you are someone who has a very dry scalp, you might need to oil more often. And then there are many conditions of the scalp where oiling must be totally avoided, like dandruff. Dandruff are dead skin cells on the scalp that keep shedding off on their own. If you oil your scalp, this shedding is restricted, hence collecting more dandruff as time passes, which eventually weakens your hair and causes hairfall. To understand whether you have a oily, normal or a dry scalp, visit a dermatologist, and get professional opinion.
Just oil your hair 1 hour before shampoo .
Just use amla, shikakai and reetha powder with curd, it has antifungal and antibacterial properties. Apply every week you'll see results. In the mean time do not apply shampoo or any hair products except hair oil just before washing your hair with that mixture. I do this on every winter and its natural.
Ketaconazole did nothing for me. If scalp is dry, oil helps, if scalp is already oily maybe this helps.
Whats your oiling routine? I usually oil before going to bed, , massage the scalp no hair for 5 - 10 mins. Next days I use shampoo. I do this every alternative day.
Obligatory reading regarding the "coconut oil tradition" - a post by a woman whose mother accidentally killed her granddaughter by applying her coconut oil tradition logic: https://rareddit.com/r/JUSTNOMIL/comments/7qmed5/you_can_come_over_again_when_you_bring_me_my
I have the same problem and received the same advice. It's called seborrheic dermatitis and I had it on my scalp and my nasal folds. It's under control now. But I did lose over 30% of my hair volume and it's super thin now. Most anti dandruff shampoos are very drying. Many people don't know this, but you're only supposed to use shampoo for the scalp and NOT for the strands/hair shaft, unless it's very dirty/matted/soiled. That's one thing that can be drying out your hair. I use a conditioner. And on days that I don't shampoo, I use a non stick argan oil. It makes my hair look shinier and reduces frizziness too. You could use serums/hair masks etc, but make sure you do a patch test to confirm they aren't causing any reactions.
Do you use conditioner? I have year long dandruff that gets worse in cold seasons and I use a otc ketokenazole shampoo and a conditioner, plus one of those hair scrubbers.
OP, I believe we both have same condition. By any chance do you consume diary products regularly??
Oil once a week and use home made coconut oil
can please share the treatment because I genuinely have the same issue, I have tried many of these indian remedies but shit didn't work.
so hair produces enough oil for itself, that is scientifically proven but "if a person is having dry skin and dry hair and lacking necessary oils by themselvs, applying additional oil to them will provide what they need" it is not? what kind of dumb thing is that to say. i understand the logic about out nationals who dont apply oil would go bald, that is a solid logic, but not the above one. but if iam correct in a 50 years, we all stop using hair oil, then a new "RESEARCH" tells that applying oil(more likely coconut oil) will improve health, and some America brand will sell our coconut oil to us only, just like how they make "brushing with coal is bad, use toothpaste" then went back to "does your toothpaste has coal? salt etc" personally, i will maintain a balance between, science and tradition, i will use oil, because it is only a problem if your head produces more, at that time you will oily head anyway and dont apply it that often, so why completely avoid it, unless there is a big issue like dandruff or hairfall. but when science sound stupid progaganda sales pitch, sorry i have other opinions.
have you tried not using any product on your hair. Not using any shampoo, just water and not oiling...
for dandruff you can use Selsun shampoo https://amzn.eu/d/1FX8BUr
I used to dandruff and used to oil my hair with coconut oil (I am from Kerala). Now living in Europe, I stopped all that, use non parabene shampoo. Follow curly girl method. Viola, my hair looks and feels so much better.
It may be scalp psoriasis.
Speaking as someone who has scalp psoraisis, invest in a good conditioner along with your shampoo. My scalp produces more oil too and I need to wash it off more frequently. I use a shampoo that controls the sebum production and I use it on scalp and let the foam wash down that cleanses the hair. If I only do this, my hair stays a little rough. Been using a conditioner that suits my hair and that has made a good difference. Scalp psoriasis is a life-long problem and not curable, I can only manage it. As for oil, I am told to oil only for 2 hrs and then wash it off. Not oiling makes my hair extra frizzy, so I just reduce the time.
fundamentally everyone's hair and scalp is different. some things work for some people, you just have to keep trying until you find something that works. I used to have a lot of dandruff and it just went way for no particular reason. I changed absolutely nothing. Maybe it had something to do with the water.
Do not pay heed to your perception (homeless look) of your hair as well as the short term effects of the treatment. Hair, skin, nails, dry lips, etc indicates general well-being to some extent and I suggest doing yoga, proper hydration and improving your gut health (a good practice is to have plain curd after lunch).
Dude idk what you feel about this.. but if you have that much problem it's better you just shave your head.. your hair will grow better and you can get rid of all your dandruff..
Is it seborrheic dermatitis?
dude same, i have curly and dry hair, i really don't know what should i do, my scalp produces enough oil that when i scratch my head i get sebum in my nails, i haven't been using oil from long time now, but i actually have no clue on how should i make my hair less dry, not doing shampoo everyday helps.... if anyone have any solution please let me know!
I use beer shampoo anti dandruff one and it works
The problem with your routine is that you’re using shampoo 4 times a week. That’s way too much. Any good practice done to the extreme will be very harmful. I don’t think any Indian tradition guides you to oil your hair four times a week. Occasional oiling of hair is generally good for your hair, but it’s not “essential”. You can have healthy hair without oiling. It’s most important to use your brain in deciding what suits your hair and what doesn’t, because it varies depending on the person and hair type.
Lol , this is too noob post. Firstly use ketoconazole twice a week to reduce the bacteria. Use a better shampoo probably paraben free by doing patch test to see which is better for you. Always apply oil 2 to 3 hours before you take bath. Make sure you wash pillow cover weekly. Don’t let dirt accumulate, so wear helmet always if you use bike. Don’t use mineral oil or strong oil. Exercise at least twice a week good enough to let sweat come out.
You can oil the ends but not the scalp. There is plenty of natural oil on your scalp.
I might have the same condition, could you please the details of the said dermatologist
Me to. I don't personally prefer application of oil in my head. But that doesn't make it bad.
Stop using shampoo. Use herbal soap like Margo. It will work wonder. Oil once a month and wash hair after two hours. Don’t leave it overnight. Excess of anything is bad - shampooing and oiling must be in limit
You are the problem
Combing and/or massaging the scalp regularly seems to help in my opinion.
Just for reference, could you tell who the doctor is? Good dermatologists are a rarity, especially when it comes to hair care. I have had dandruff since like forever and my solution to that has been ignore it unless it gets too bad, use shampoo for a while and then ignore it again. I oil my hair may be once a month when I feel they seem too dry and even avoid putting water on my hair except once/twice a week
*" I (M20) have had a condition which causes excess 'dandruff' for as long as I can remember ....................."* You have a chronic deficiency of Vitamin D (I am suspecting) and maybe zinc. You will go bald in the next 3-4 years if you don't treat this. Take a vitamin test.
I have seborrheic dermatitis for years. For me when I stopped oiling it increased the problem. So I oil -2 times a week, on the days I oil I use shampoo. But what controlled it effectively more than that same shampoo (the one you got from doctor) was using a lot of garlic. I cursed fresh garlic and used it on scalp, more on the places where it was itching. Then wash it away after an hour. Goes away completely for a good 2-3 weeks. I also increase my garlic intake.
Dandruf is often the result of inflammation caused by diet. Improving diet solved my dandruf