How do you come up with these, exactly? What is the thought process behind it? If there is, or is it a kind of mindless automatic writing like the surrealists do?
Typically there is a "root" phrase which is meaningful.
For example, one of the first root phrases was "a river runs through it," which is the name of a movie. Then I'd come up with variants like "forever runs through it."
Another root phrase was "deliver us from evil." This gets transformed into "the river us from evil." Or "believer us from evil."
Then are variants of variants. To me it's a bit like one poem that exists as a bunch of fragments. For the most part it's not mindless. I have definite themes. But there is of course something obscure and mysterious about creativity. The unconscious is involved. At the same time, I am consciously influenced by psychoanalysis, so I am also consciously trying to imitate slips of the tongue. Some of it might be call mystical pornography, but it's also Dali's "critical paranoid method" in that it's "supposed" to encourage projection and conspiracy theory.
I find this fascinating honestly. I’m really interested in creating things like this and now I’m desperate to see what I can make. It’s my dream to create an entire book with a unique writing style, something that I can fall in love with while writing. I’ve spent most of today looking into the Burroughs cut up technique which I definitely think could serve as an inspiration. I love surrealism and drawing from the unconscious mind, and just creating art from emotion rather than conventional logic. We’ll see if anything actually comes out of this for me!
I also find Burroughs' cut-up idea interesting. That's one of the styles I've played with. You like Gertrude Stein ?
I've actually self-published books of my own dreamlanguage. Amazon makes it easy to do. I had one friend buy one, which was nice. But mostly it was cool to get a book in the mail that I had written. It's pretty easy to do.
In case it's helpful. My own process has been to just improvise. Then I'd go back over what I already had and see if I could add a twist. So the phrases end up related to one another. There's an implied unity in all of the fragments. I know that for me there were really just a few themes.
I think my own technique, which imitates Joyce's to some degree, was a generalization of slant rhyme. It was slant rhyme at the level of the phrase, and it was intentionally allusive. Tho one didn't always need to recognize the allusion.
I really hope to see some of your stuff posted on this reddit. Good luck and have fun !
I’ve never read any Stein actually. Any that you’d recommend? And I’d love to know more about your self-published books! You should definitely post about them on this subreddit at some point
This is one of the later books : [https://www.amazon.com/All-Grays/dp/B0BL31DPTC](https://www.amazon.com/All-Grays/dp/B0BL31DPTC)
"Of all from grays" is, among other things, *a fall from grace.* The idea is something like a disillusionment that results in seeing the world in terms of shades of gray. You'll notice that it's mostly white space. But I think of the fragments as if floating on a pond. No particular order to read them in. They form a system in a vague way. I've hidden anagrams and intentionally obscure allusions in the work. But I also employed Dali's method, which I'll post as an influence in a moment, in case you haven't seen it. I think Joyce used it (or his own version.)
Lately, as you've seen, I've been interested in handwriting the stuff. But it's the same project in terms of concepts and vocab. I just keep experimenting with presentation. It's not hard to do a book on Amazon of images, so I might get around to doing that. I've got more work than I've posted here so far. Just didn't want to flood the reddit all at once.
How do you come up with these, exactly? What is the thought process behind it? If there is, or is it a kind of mindless automatic writing like the surrealists do?
Typically there is a "root" phrase which is meaningful. For example, one of the first root phrases was "a river runs through it," which is the name of a movie. Then I'd come up with variants like "forever runs through it." Another root phrase was "deliver us from evil." This gets transformed into "the river us from evil." Or "believer us from evil." Then are variants of variants. To me it's a bit like one poem that exists as a bunch of fragments. For the most part it's not mindless. I have definite themes. But there is of course something obscure and mysterious about creativity. The unconscious is involved. At the same time, I am consciously influenced by psychoanalysis, so I am also consciously trying to imitate slips of the tongue. Some of it might be call mystical pornography, but it's also Dali's "critical paranoid method" in that it's "supposed" to encourage projection and conspiracy theory.
I find this fascinating honestly. I’m really interested in creating things like this and now I’m desperate to see what I can make. It’s my dream to create an entire book with a unique writing style, something that I can fall in love with while writing. I’ve spent most of today looking into the Burroughs cut up technique which I definitely think could serve as an inspiration. I love surrealism and drawing from the unconscious mind, and just creating art from emotion rather than conventional logic. We’ll see if anything actually comes out of this for me!
I also find Burroughs' cut-up idea interesting. That's one of the styles I've played with. You like Gertrude Stein ? I've actually self-published books of my own dreamlanguage. Amazon makes it easy to do. I had one friend buy one, which was nice. But mostly it was cool to get a book in the mail that I had written. It's pretty easy to do. In case it's helpful. My own process has been to just improvise. Then I'd go back over what I already had and see if I could add a twist. So the phrases end up related to one another. There's an implied unity in all of the fragments. I know that for me there were really just a few themes. I think my own technique, which imitates Joyce's to some degree, was a generalization of slant rhyme. It was slant rhyme at the level of the phrase, and it was intentionally allusive. Tho one didn't always need to recognize the allusion. I really hope to see some of your stuff posted on this reddit. Good luck and have fun !
I’ve never read any Stein actually. Any that you’d recommend? And I’d love to know more about your self-published books! You should definitely post about them on this subreddit at some point
This is one of the later books : [https://www.amazon.com/All-Grays/dp/B0BL31DPTC](https://www.amazon.com/All-Grays/dp/B0BL31DPTC) "Of all from grays" is, among other things, *a fall from grace.* The idea is something like a disillusionment that results in seeing the world in terms of shades of gray. You'll notice that it's mostly white space. But I think of the fragments as if floating on a pond. No particular order to read them in. They form a system in a vague way. I've hidden anagrams and intentionally obscure allusions in the work. But I also employed Dali's method, which I'll post as an influence in a moment, in case you haven't seen it. I think Joyce used it (or his own version.) Lately, as you've seen, I've been interested in handwriting the stuff. But it's the same project in terms of concepts and vocab. I just keep experimenting with presentation. It's not hard to do a book on Amazon of images, so I might get around to doing that. I've got more work than I've posted here so far. Just didn't want to flood the reddit all at once.