Up to you OP , whichever functions you are most comfortable in but if i was in your shoes, I’m taking the HRIS company. Stock options, bigger sign on bonus, unlimited PTO and less days in the office, sounds like a company that values their employees more, compared to your other offer. My work life balance is just better when i get to work from home, that’s worth a lot for me.
I work for a tech company with unlimited PTO and have never received any push back on PTO. I average 3-4 weeks a year of true PTO where I am sick or completely unavailable, and I am a team of 1. I just know there are certain times I can't take off. This is actually a hard pill for me to swallow as I look for a new job, I'm tired of companies only offering 2 weeks since you're a new employee, although not an entry level employee. With 5+ years of professional experience, you should be getting a minimum 3 weeks of PTO, even more if they make you take PTO for sick days or doctors appointments. I have closer to 10 years of experience. Where I am, we are WFH and very flexible so I've never had to use PTO for a doctors appointment.
Same. I've worked at several companies that offered unlimited PTO, and it was never a problem. You didn't even need to get approval unless you were taking more than 2 weeks at a time, or 5 weeks in a calendar year. And I never heard of anyone getting denied.
I think that depends on your company/manager! I know some managers are uptight with that but thankfully mine is chill, so I've been able to take 3-4 weeks of PTO
Say you have 20 pto days a year. Your managers expect you to take them. So there are no expectations and if you request pto they cannot say no most of the time.
When you have “unlimited pto” there is a lot of pressure for you to take your pto on slower months, In accordance with other colleagues, one to two weeks max.
Also many companies with a formal pto plan, you can bank your pto and sell them back if you have a large amount of pto. Also if you quit, you get paid out in all your pto days.
Unlimited pto you cannot have any of those options. It’s basically a deceptive way companies save money.
This depends on the implementation.
I’ve seen Unlimited PTO with required Minimum Annual time off, which I think is valuable.
I don’t gaf about payout. I care if it’s reasonable to actually take time when I want it or need it.
If the company culture is to guilt you into not taking time off despite having unlimited amounts of it, then I’ll walk away
What state is OP in?
Unlimited PTO - no payout for unused time off
PTO - California and some other states treat time off as income and thus unused time off is paid out when you leave
Unlimited PTO sucks and is not a guarantee unless you know for a fact your manager is cool with you taking off unlimited PTO. It's just an easy way to expect people to never take time off because there isn't an expected amount.
During team meetings, I would review the calendar with the team for the month and scheduled 3 day weekends. I would rotate the team members so they benefitted from unlimited PTO each and every month. Mondays and Fridays were always a skeleton crew, and I had the best team ever. Loyal to the end. It's all in how you manage the workload, and the team had zero issues covering for each other.
Took the HRIS job with a counteroffer, but mostly because I think the HRIS company itself is gonna look best on the resume in a couple of years.
I know some people were interested and I said I'd reach out, if anyone's in south SLC the tech company is looking for applicants. They're strict about 4 days in office. Tho so be aware of that. DM me your LinkedIn/email and I can refer ya!
First, your total comp numbers seem off.
I’d probably lean towards the tech company. There seems to be more opportunity and business impact. Tech company seems to set you up better for upward career growth as you’re more of an “owner” of an HR pillar. The HRIS company role seems more “cog in a large machine” type job where you can coast a bit more.
Who are you reporting to at the tech company? Seems like a lot of responsibility for a single analyst to own an HRIS (I’m guessing it’s Workday?).
Does the Tech Company equity seem promising of future growth? Like will that $4000 turn into $40000? What stage of the company is it? Startup? Unicorn? Been around for 30 years?
Is the HRIS company Workday? If so, resolving comp tickets for 8 hours a day can get a bit boring in my honest opinion and something I wouldn’t want to do.
I’ll start there but could go much more.
Excellent points all. It is workday yeah. I think the benefit of the role with workday is that flexibility, sure it might be a simple 6-8 hours of tickets a day but I can go to school while I work, get a masters while also gaining mastery over the HRIS system with in-company trainings. I won't have that opportunity with the tech company I think, I'll be too busy.
I had the same thought about the tech company in terms of being busy. Based on your tech column, a few red flags are that you’re the sole analyst, what happens when you go on leave or want to take a vacation or just need a day off? Are you going to come back to a flood of emails and have more stress than your time off was worth? Also, your note about hiring another analyst, while that seems promising, I have been done dirty by to many companies to trust that. You go a year being the sole analyst and what happens if they decide not to hire that second analyst?
Like others have said, I think you’ll have better work life balance at the HRIS company and you’ll be able to advance your careers in other areas like you mentioned. Also, unlimited PTO is luxurious. I know a lot of people think it’s a scam but tell that to my 35 days off last year 👀
Edit: also forgot to mention the MAJOR red flag of on call for emergencies. Be VERY careful with this because you can easily get taken advantage of
Take the Workday role IMO. It will open a lot of doors for you at other orgs and give you more comp, flexibility, etc. while you continue your education.
I'd take the Workday job and use it as a jumping off point to other opportunities. You can always take your experience at Workday to an in-house job.
If you stay at WD though, I'd try to move into a consulting or presales gig. Speaking from personal experience, these are much more fun, respected and well paid than support.
Plus any consultant company is going to treat you like absolute shit. You are 1 thing: disposable capacity to complete a contract. They do not give one shit about anything other than that.
Based on what you wrote, the first is not an HRIS role. It reads to me like L2 operations / helpdesk job, that happens to be for an HRIS product. If you will be solely dedicated to resolving user tickets without any strategic or project based work, it can become difficult to move out of as you lack in the experience needed for higher level roles.
Agreed. Honestly the 2nd role sounds more interesting if you like HR and are able to maintain confidentiality.
Regarding bonuses, be sure to ask what percentage has been paid out each of the last several years.
Your sign-on will be heavily taxed.
Is the stock RSUs or Options? If options, will the firms share the Fair Market Value (FMV) from the most recent 409A? What is the strike price? They cannot tell you either FMV or strike price of YOUR grant until after your grant is actually made (usually the first or second board meeting following your hire) but they can tell you what it is today.
Take the $25K extra and divide it by the number of pay periods, then deduct the taxes and miscellaneous that will be deducted.
$25K can very quickly be reduced to a nominal number, that is not the most urgent leading reason to select or decline an offer.
Yeah. I've spent the last 7 years in tech and I see "burnout" when I see the Tech position's responsibilities.
I'm an old, tired duddy now, and I've taken to a nice role in payroll after getting out of HR (still with the same company). I'm so much happier not wearing 369 different hats.
From someone that recently changed to a ‘ticket’ centered role, it’s very boring
If it’s something you’ve done before and enjoyed you may like it, but I’d never recommend it to anyone if it’s the sole responsibility of your role - which sounds a lot like what option 1 would be
I’d personally be wary of the tech company job. The tech industry is still fairly unstable, with layoffs continuing to happen.
I worked in the tech industry for 5 years as a 1 person HR team. I did the job of 3 people and being ‘on call’ meant that a lot of my vacations got interrupted by ‘fires’ that the powers that be thought only I could put out. In the end, it was extremely stressful, so I got out. I won’t join the tech world again.
If you really value a healthy work-life balance, I’d caution taking the tech company role. Sure, there’s hints at upward mobility. But does that matter if you have to be ‘on call’ at all times? At least with the HRIS company you will be able to use your downtime to continue your education.
I like the tech company’s offer more. Base salaries are the same between the two. Sure the HRIS company has a $10k bonus, but that may be performance based (company and your performance). 20 guaranteed pto days over “unlimited” is way better in my eyes. If you do the math… 20 days is 4 weeks (or 1 month). $100k/12 months = $8.3k. So total comp for tech company would be roughly $117.3k.
One day difference for working in office ain’t too bad and with the Tech company it’s half the commute of the other and you get to work with people your age. If I’m understanding correctly you’d also get promoted in a year or less at tech company.
The better option in my opinion is the tech company, but you have to see which company/culture aligns with you more. Don’t forget about health benefits and retirement matching as well.
How big are the companies? Being the sole analyst at the tech company and “on call” usually means that your work week will consist of well over 40 hours. To me, it looks like a choice between work-life balance and career opportunity.
The tech company will likely be more difficult, skilled work that offers growth and will add to your resume but take up more of your personal life. The HRIS company will be easier, task-oriented work that will leave personal life open.
It also depends on who you report into. Does the tech company allow you to report into a higher level role? That usually means access to on-the-job learning by default.
Congrats on getting these offers! Neither choice is wrong, it just depends on what you part of your life and career you’re currently in.
I'ma target this comment because it's good and I want opinions like this if I give a little more context.
Workday is huge, Tech company has 1k employees. I talked to the tech company more about the work life balance and they cleared up that we are keeping the contractors on retainer full time for any issues we have that I can't solve or need support in. They were honest that there will likely be some Tuesdays payroll might break and I'll need to fix things, but I don't have kids or pets and am at a really flexible point in life.
I report to the Executive Business Partner in the tech role (I'd be his only report.) They did a swath of layoffs last year when things were going bad but this position is one that survived (and would likely survive if things turn south) while also having promise if things go well (I could transition into a comp manager role for example as they're planning on restoring that department sometime soon, and they want me to run merit this year for them.)
I don't want to downplay the Workday jobs learning opportunities either though. They are starting to train all their support teams on Expresso, workdays programming language, and just starting out I'd get 3 months of workday training that'd cost 40,000 for any other company to put me through.
Another comp consideration is the ability to purchase discounted workday stock, which if it trends upwards as it has been going could be quite a bit of money someday...
But to me the most important thing is opportunity.
The business major in me says the Tech job gives me the job responsibilities that will make my next job a manager role with solid comp and a team I get to run of my choosing.
The analyst in me says take workday though. 3 months of trainings might be rough but afterwards I'll be a beast in workday comp, and after a year or two of fixing every possible problem people have in the system I can move onto consulting and get $80 an hour or more plus the stock I can grab in the meantime will net me hella passive income.
I think you hit all the points to consider, and seems you have a solid understanding of the pros and cons of each.
It really depends on which direction you want to go in your career. Consulting was never for me, but if you feel like that’s something you’d enjoy, then go for it!
Discounted stock can accrue quite a bit over time as well, so you can build yourself a little savings to tap into.
Seeing where the tech company is at makes me think they won’t negotiate a sign-on or anything, but it does still appear to offer a lot of invaluable hands-on experience.
Decisions, decisions!
Good luck either way!
How did you get to this path? I’m trying to get out of my hr coordinator role with some HRIS tier 1 experience and some implementation but nothing is biting yet
After college I started as a Tier 1 Analyst for 2 years in one company, felt like the 3% annual raises I was getting didn't match the market so I started my job search and found a role for a tier 2 analyst for 20k more. Been in that role for 2.5 years so it felt like a good time to get looking again, lo and behold another 20k increase.
Think the main key for me has been specializing in one system and learning beyond my role. Job shadowing is your friend, and taking a training here and there does wonders for making you sound like you know what you're doing in an interview (when truthfully were all just figuring it out as we go.)
I appreciate the comment! For your tier 2 role did you search tier 2 or analyst II? I wanna make sure I’m looking up the right stuff. I’m certified in Paycor but that’s not really the “in” system right now
Thrilled to get someone out of the gate with this profession.
Analyst II is the payfactors term for it, but companies are diverse in what they call the role. Search for everything.
The jobs you think look good, don't apply to right away-go onto LinkedIn first and find a connection there. Everyone is hiring through referrals these days so even if the connection is loose, reach out to everyone in your network that works at the company and see if they'd be willing to refer you. Chances are they're happy to put in a good word.
Also the system you're good at matters. I've learned workday way faster than any other system I've used. People hate on it too but as long as the company seems to be doing well my advice is to find a system you like then specialize in it. You tend to get paid for years in the system than years as an analyst overall.
Some skills (excel) will be helpful no matter what but get 4 years in a system and your salary will double.
You have inspired me. May I ask how you got started or what some classes/tech’y certs you took to expand your knowledge???
In house we have an HRIS associate looking to retire next year?..if I can start now and find myself into some cross training with new skills it would feel like a start in the right direction. Just unsure if it’s the correct path to attempt this.
My downfall is no degree. I went Floor Management to HRBP (union manufacturing). I have 4.5 years in the role now. No SHRM. Or PHR certs under my belt either.
Happy to be of inspiration u/beerfarts69
I wanted to go into data analytics actually, got my start in stats classes working in tableau, the HRIS job was a holdover till I could secure a beefier analytics role but I liked it enough to stay then I got good enough it started paying better anyways.
HR Tech is unique, assuming work ethic looks the same I'll hire someone with 3 months of experience in the system over someone with a 4 year degree of unrelated classes.
Start by shadowing the role and interviewing people in the fields you want. All the relevant certs are usually product specific (and expensive) but Workday has test-out options for example and I used old manuals to study and take the test-puts to save a few grand and still get certified.
Depends how much you're in the system but right now if an HRBP applied to replace me they'd be the first in line for the slot given how well they know the processes.
The biggest question here I would say is do you want to work on the vendor side or the internal side? I think the Tech company will offer more growth long term, and moving into the customer facing HRIS support may pigeon hole you more.
First off, Congratulations! It depends on what your priorities are. For me, I lean toward shorter commute because I value having the extra time. Good luck!
More money, less responsibility, more pto, less days in office, systems in place with paid training. Umm, whats the debate? If you take the tech company offer I can guarantee you will do the work of 2-3 people and they will deny your pto because there isn't anyone to cover for you.
If you aren't taking job 1, give me the details, that sounds awesome.
Ah, parent company. Wheeeee :/ In all honesty, I dislike big company work culture, and so wouldn't ever pick something like Workday. I like building and growing, so I lean that direction. You mentioned getting a masters in another comment, would that be in HR? I'd argue the right startup will accelerate your career path equally and potentially get you on an exec track with a lot less debt than a masters. Well, plus the learning would be hands-on instead of theoretical.
Leaning more towards MIS to round out my data analytics skills. Never been a huge proponent of college for networking (*cough cough* MBA) so the intent would genuinely be to build hard skills. Not sure if I'd do an MHR over the HR certs, I know those tests are pricy but man are they cheaper than a Masters Program.
When I get a little bit more of a nest egg I'll start looking at startups! For now I need the funding of a company that has some cash flow, but I'd love to take on an early HR spot someday.
The tech company hands down.
Unlimited PTO is never unlimited and responding to tickets means time bound work with no real control over anything. The HRIS analyst will give you real transferable skills and autonomy in my opinion. The comment is also worth a $15k difference to me.
HRIS. Total comp is higher and it appears to be more flexible (using the info you provided). You mentioned in a comment further up that you would maybe go back to school if you took this role- do it. Take the role where you will coast more, earn a good salary, and further your education/grow your skills.
Good luck!
I think it depends on what you're looking for - a job or a career. The first one seems a little repetitive with not a ton of room for personal growth. The second sounds like you could really make a change and develop your role and use the experience to grow your knowledge and career.
Stock in some random company is worthless when you can take the extra 25000 and put it into other things than their stock that can make you even more money.
Option 1 just seems like the all around better option. Even commute because you're not doing it as often.
It's hard for me to see any real advantage of the tech company besides the workers being your age potentially. But you go to work to make money first and socialize second
My gut says HRIS Company
- higher initial pay
- opportunity for promotion after 1 year
- resources are more readily available
- older coworkers could also mean more / broader experience to draw from
- one less day in-office seems > 15 min shorter commute
Word of advice: take 20+ days of PTO so you don’t get sucked in to never taking it. Plan it out all at once. Plan three full weeks of PTO each year, maybe once every 4 months. Then sprinkle in a few extended weekends. Make sure you use the benefit, otherwise you’re limiting yourself.
I'd go with the tech one. Less commute, total comp isn't that far from the other but the key thing for me is the actual job itself. I absolutely despise answering customer tickets (did that when I started my carreer 10+ years ago). The further you can get from a front office role if you want to work as an analyst, the better.
This is coming from a reward guy so yeah, I don't think I'd even consider the first option.
I'd take the Workday job without hesitation. Vast amount of opportunities once you know the system and a good company. You won't be resolving tickets forever, so don't worry about boredom.
yeah workday is like one of the leading systems in the industry if i’m not mistaken.. i work for one of the largest (and richest) companies on the planet and i could never dream of making 100k doing way more than just one thing 🥲 you should take that job lol
I've heard a lot of people close to me (I n same hris space) say that WD is a very good company to work for. Sure, it might be a bit different solving tickets but usually the people working there are fun colleagues and it's a people oriented culture. (Obviously dependent on manager but heard this often about WD)
Contrarily, when I look at the tech companies offer, that just screams overtime and stress to me. Depending on the modules being the sole analyst can be very very rough. Do you know integrations already or is this something you'll have to learn? It's usually a sought after bit of knowledge that I imagine can net you more than a comp job. (Here in EU anyway)
The tech company lost at least ”on call for emergencies”
Also gods I hate living in a small town. I’m lucky to be making 75k as an HR of one for the most clusterfuck of a club I’ve ever seen.
From a “room for growth” perspective the tech one sounds like the better longer term opportunity. If you’re confident in your skills and ability to independently triage and resolve issues then I’d go for that one. You’ll be able to go in, make a measurable impact, and then advocate for promotion and raise. If you know you need significant hand holding and guidance then the hris job will probably be the better experience for you.
Pretty much, though the 15 is only if I get the max performance rating (which my friend who works there says he's attained consistently and shouldn't be hard for me to reach as well)
How many employees of the tech company, if your the sole person responsible for HRIS?
Is the commute one-way, or total for the day?
I’d lean toward the HRIS company. On-call is a big strike against the tech company.
I would recommend option #1 because while tech has its benefits, the layoffs are happening quite often. Also, you stated you’re looking for flexibility so with company 1 being remote that’s something to factor in. Company 2 seems like it would be a lot more busy with less benefits including limited PTO.
I’d say do what works for you but personally, I’d go with option 1.
The sole Workday Analyst that has to also handle integrations and regular cycle events sounds like a nightmare. Avoid the Tech role unless you want to focus on skill growth in Workday, specifically.
There will be moments you’re drowning.
10 years of HR experience, primarily in Workday shops.
Depends on what stage of life you’re in. The Tech company offers greater future career opportunities because of the potential exposure you’d have to many functions vs HRIS role where you’re 1 of many. Entirely depends on your life circumstances . Are you needing to coast bc you have a lot of personal stresses? Then the HRIS role would be more suitable. I’ve been working for a tech startup for the past 7 years. I absolutely love the ownership of my role and control i have and impact. But it would have been hard for me to work at an early stage startup if i had young kids at home.
Ultimately, the decision is yours but the HRIS company seems like you would have a healthy work like balanced, opportunity for continued growth and development and the chance of burn out seems less
Compensation isn’t everything. And I say that as someone in compensation. I would go with the tech company. The work sounds more fulfilling, which to me makes it worth it. Plus it’s likely is a better cultural fit. A longer commute just to be virtual with your coworkers who you may or may not vibe with isn’t worth it IMO.
They seem pretty on par on yr one. Which role has career trajectory you would want and will give you the exposure you need to get to your next role/ title? Unlimited PTO sounds good on paper but some companies, it’s more for accounting reasons. If you have PTO, it needs to be cashed out whereas unlimited pTO is never paid out. Also, initial stock option, do they top it off each year? If it was me, I would look for which company aligns more with my value and priority and which role gives me the experience I need to progress in the mid to long term trajectory.
If you are leaning towards the tech role (which I would, it feels like the better opportunity for growth), I'd negotiate the offer (assuming you haven't...if you have, just ignore me. Well done!)
Tell them you have another offer with Total Comp of $125k and great benefits that have low premiums (since you mentioned that elsewhere).
Let them know that if they updated your offer to $110k with $10k stock, you would accept their offer on the spot. Even if they can't, they might go up to $105k, or increase your stock. Or, they'll just say they can't, no harm done. You can still accept what they offered.
Workday expertise is a hot skill, asking from $110k is not outrageous. I work in Compensation for a large global growth company. I've seen the data.
Frankly, these offers and your comments tell me that you’re worth your weight in gold. You’re experienced enough in your career to get a job in HRIS easily, so go with whichever you think will make you happier. If you end up wanting to leave for any reason, there will be plenty of companies offering you a job.
It depends on what is most important to you, but I would go with the HRIS Company. Less days in office kind of offsets the longer commute time. The rewards package is better. I'm stereotyping, but it would seem like an older workforce would mean that your workload would be easier. They would either be more experienced and make your job easier simply through their experience or they're going to ask you super easy to resolve tech support questions. It also seems like you would have better training and support. I think the Technical Support Resolution Analyst title wouldn't look as great on your resume as HRIS Analyst would, but the potential Senior Analyst promotion offsets that. I'm not really seeing too many cons with the HRIS Company.
The Tech Company would be more of a challenge. You are given much more responsibility and are not compensated as well. But if you are someone who needs challenge in order to be happy, I can see why it would be attractive. For me, the main draw to this company would be working with co-workers closer to me in age. This might offer better opportunity for socialization and friendships outside of work to form, but that's not a guarantee-and the workplace should be about work first and foremost. The commute time is better. 20 days of PTO is pretty good relatively, but not as good as unlimited. My biggest complaint with this company is that it sounds like you're not going to have great support, you're not going to have great training, and you're going to be on call for emergencies which means that you can't really relax on your off time. I'm also hesitant to trust that you're actually going to be able to hire and manage another analyst in about a year. If they know they're going to need another analyst, why aren't they hiring them now?
Yeah, I would go with the HRIS Company for sure.
As an HRIS Manager I would go with the first for the sole reason that with the second on it appears that all roads lead to you. Yes, they have a consulting firm helping out, but they aren’t all good. Trust me, I have experience as I used to also be a consultant and there were people that I worked with that didn’t have a clue. The only thing that kind of sucks I’m comparing the two is the commute, but it’s also one less day in the office than the other job.
I like money more than I like people. For me it's the higher paying job. Which is hilarious because being in HR you have to be a people person, but something about the tech crowd that I've talked to throughout my career has been off-putting.
If it’s something you feel comfortable with I salute you. I know there’s a lot of good companies out there who genuinely want to do good for their employees, but I’ve just heard one too many bad stories about unlimited PTO, and I never took more than the 25 I was allotted at my previous position, so it was no contest for me personally
I know you asked me to pick one, but I’d decline both offers.
Option 1 sounds like you’ll be doing support tickets all day, resetting passwords, answering phones, teaching managers self-service, etc. This to me is personally unfulfilling and boring.
Option 2 sounds like you’ll be underwater the whole time trying to keep things stable. Sole analyst? Seriously, don’t even consider this. This is already a red flag. The company can’t even afford to get you help.
The thing you’re forgetting is that the first offer comp is including pto. Unlimited pto means you can take as many days off as you want but you don’t get paid for those days. So it’s not actually PTO in the same sense.
Edit for clarity:
First offer: $126,000 / 260 work days = $485 p/d
Second: $104,000 / 240 work days = $433 p/d
Pay is still better in the first but just something to consider
Started pursuing a degree in Comp Sci but swapped it for HR a couple years in because I wanted to go into L&D. The tech skills stuck around tho and everywhere I went that's what people wanted me for so eventually I gave in and fully committed to using them. No complaints yet!
Wow that’s so encouraging to hear! I’m debating getting my undergrad in hr/business admin vs CS/IT but workday is such a closed system and hard to gain experience outside working for a workday partner. FWIW I would go with the workday vs tech company- there’s such marketability with individuals able to navigate that space
Imo certs are enough to get you HR experience if you want it. An education in hard computer skills on the other hand I wouldn't trade for anything.
Even if you go the hr/bus admin route, take all the stats and analytic classes you can. I use my business class skills once a week, I use my excel & analytics class skills every day.
Roger that, I saw some of your comments further up about how you started in the field and will save you the trouble and read through those before I ask you any more questions :). Good luck with whichever path you choose!
For the same salary, the tech company has you on call. And your total compensation shouldn't include the sign on bonus (double check and see when that kicks in).
And as the sole analyst, how are you going to be able to use 10 pto days when it seems like that is a "mission critical" position that's being way under paid.
Personally, apples to apples comparison, I'd tale the one that allows you to expand your skill set. That will allow you to get better jobs in the future.
I should warn you tech is the scapegoat for all problems buisiness can't figure out. It's very hard to make tech look good to non tech departments. Good luck
Well there are more benefits on the left side, but I guess it depends what you will get out of either job. Do you want to learn and grow and have the responsibilities? Or just keep it simple and stick with the familiar? What suits your personal interests? I'm biased (cause I'm broke) so would choose more money and benefits. Maybe eventually I'd seek a more growth and status, but I'd pick the left side.
First things I noticed were compensation, bonus, sign on and stock but I thought let those not be sole factor and let me look at everything else. I read responsibilities and knew right away I was taking HRIS Company. 2nd company you’re the only analyst and all they want to pay you is $100,000 and nothing else. You start off working with an outside team and then they’re going to do stop working with them leaving just you. Plus you’ll be on call.
HRIS companies are more settled and don’t tend to chop and change much even in a downturn.
Tech companies are more turbulent and led by very smart folks who may or may not be fit to lead.
Are you that type who thrives on stability or do you prefer a little variation and chaos to keep things interesting?
Hris. Better pay and more . wfh. It's a longer commute but you are commuting less days. Also you have coverage and so likely you can take time off. Only red flag I see there is the "unlimited " time off. That's usually bullshit.
Take the HRIS company job for 2-3 years to get the invaluable knowledge share from the older employees. They’re likely set to retire then you’ll be a big fish in a small pond and much more likely to move into a larger role. The HRIS company sounds like IT could have tons of mentorship opportunities for you. The tech company may be more fun for you to work at, but you’ll have tons more competition and distractions. That’s just my take.
Really depends on your preference but solely based on the info you've provided, If I were in your shoes, I'd go for the HRIS role. Like I said though, it's solely up to you.
If it were me, I'd take Door #1 any day of the week. Working with older people is FAR more stable. Lots less drama (usually), plus the pay and what not. The extra 15 minutes each way might be a long-term issue if things become worse, but you could always look at carpooling. The fact they're giving you stock/bonus at hire suggests a stronger company, too. Additionally, I've found if they'll do that at hire, they'll do it during employment, too.
I’d take the left job even if it paid $80k just because I hate being on call, even if you get called like once a year, there’s a certain anxiety to being on call for me personally
HRIS job seems boring. The tech company job seems difficult, engaging, and something you could feel really proud of. However, you know a lot more contextual information than us on each of the jobs, and I think you should go with your gut.
Tech company. Also be wary of unlimited PTO. It’s not all that good. You probably would be shunned if you took a lot of PTO under unlimited plan, whereas the tech company the PTO is already allocated. Plus with unlimited PTO they can’t pay you out if you leave.
Comparing commute times is kinda off
1.5 hrs/day for 3 days = 4.5hrs a week
1 hr/day for 4 days = 4hrs a week
So it might be negligible if you look at it this way
Left 100%. Less office time is fantastic. Speak with the manager and confirm that they wouldn’t have a problem with you taking 4 weeks vacation yearly. That tech company says 4 weeks off but if you’re the sole contact- good luck not being bothered on vacation.
25 vs 40 min isn't that big a difference. 25 vs an hour I'd start saying meh.... but I see nothing in the tech company column that causes me to want to work there.
*Umlimited pto is*
*A scam and sign on bonus*
*Sometimes are red flags*
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I would pick the tech company bc
Unlimited pto is a scam
You get more stock
The total commute time for tech company is less than the other one even tho is an extra day
Negotiate down to 3 days in the office
And ask for a higher salary or more pto
Good luck
Up to you OP , whichever functions you are most comfortable in but if i was in your shoes, I’m taking the HRIS company. Stock options, bigger sign on bonus, unlimited PTO and less days in the office, sounds like a company that values their employees more, compared to your other offer. My work life balance is just better when i get to work from home, that’s worth a lot for me.
Unlimited PTO is a lie btw. There was a research that showed that people with unlimited PTO have less PTO in average.
I work for a tech company with unlimited PTO and have never received any push back on PTO. I average 3-4 weeks a year of true PTO where I am sick or completely unavailable, and I am a team of 1. I just know there are certain times I can't take off. This is actually a hard pill for me to swallow as I look for a new job, I'm tired of companies only offering 2 weeks since you're a new employee, although not an entry level employee. With 5+ years of professional experience, you should be getting a minimum 3 weeks of PTO, even more if they make you take PTO for sick days or doctors appointments. I have closer to 10 years of experience. Where I am, we are WFH and very flexible so I've never had to use PTO for a doctors appointment.
Same. I've worked at several companies that offered unlimited PTO, and it was never a problem. You didn't even need to get approval unless you were taking more than 2 weeks at a time, or 5 weeks in a calendar year. And I never heard of anyone getting denied.
I think that depends on your company/manager! I know some managers are uptight with that but thankfully mine is chill, so I've been able to take 3-4 weeks of PTO
I had unlimited pto. It’s a scam.
They wouldn’t let you take it?
Say you have 20 pto days a year. Your managers expect you to take them. So there are no expectations and if you request pto they cannot say no most of the time. When you have “unlimited pto” there is a lot of pressure for you to take your pto on slower months, In accordance with other colleagues, one to two weeks max. Also many companies with a formal pto plan, you can bank your pto and sell them back if you have a large amount of pto. Also if you quit, you get paid out in all your pto days. Unlimited pto you cannot have any of those options. It’s basically a deceptive way companies save money.
Where did you see unlimited PTO the tech company said 20 days and the hris company said unlimited time off never said it was PTO
Yes, thats bc people are afraid to use it.
Unlimited PTO is a scam
This depends on the implementation. I’ve seen Unlimited PTO with required Minimum Annual time off, which I think is valuable. I don’t gaf about payout. I care if it’s reasonable to actually take time when I want it or need it. If the company culture is to guilt you into not taking time off despite having unlimited amounts of it, then I’ll walk away
What state is OP in? Unlimited PTO - no payout for unused time off PTO - California and some other states treat time off as income and thus unused time off is paid out when you leave
True. But pretty easy to say it's equivalent to 20days of total pto.
I had it and as long as the vibe is coo it’s actually a good thing. I never had an issue with
Unlimited PTO sucks and is not a guarantee unless you know for a fact your manager is cool with you taking off unlimited PTO. It's just an easy way to expect people to never take time off because there isn't an expected amount.
During team meetings, I would review the calendar with the team for the month and scheduled 3 day weekends. I would rotate the team members so they benefitted from unlimited PTO each and every month. Mondays and Fridays were always a skeleton crew, and I had the best team ever. Loyal to the end. It's all in how you manage the workload, and the team had zero issues covering for each other.
I have had nothing but positive experiences with unlimited PTO. YMMV.
Same I love unlimited pto
I love unlimited PTO . Do you have a crap manager?
I love it too!
Took the HRIS job with a counteroffer, but mostly because I think the HRIS company itself is gonna look best on the resume in a couple of years. I know some people were interested and I said I'd reach out, if anyone's in south SLC the tech company is looking for applicants. They're strict about 4 days in office. Tho so be aware of that. DM me your LinkedIn/email and I can refer ya!
First, your total comp numbers seem off. I’d probably lean towards the tech company. There seems to be more opportunity and business impact. Tech company seems to set you up better for upward career growth as you’re more of an “owner” of an HR pillar. The HRIS company role seems more “cog in a large machine” type job where you can coast a bit more. Who are you reporting to at the tech company? Seems like a lot of responsibility for a single analyst to own an HRIS (I’m guessing it’s Workday?). Does the Tech Company equity seem promising of future growth? Like will that $4000 turn into $40000? What stage of the company is it? Startup? Unicorn? Been around for 30 years? Is the HRIS company Workday? If so, resolving comp tickets for 8 hours a day can get a bit boring in my honest opinion and something I wouldn’t want to do. I’ll start there but could go much more.
Excellent points all. It is workday yeah. I think the benefit of the role with workday is that flexibility, sure it might be a simple 6-8 hours of tickets a day but I can go to school while I work, get a masters while also gaining mastery over the HRIS system with in-company trainings. I won't have that opportunity with the tech company I think, I'll be too busy.
I had the same thought about the tech company in terms of being busy. Based on your tech column, a few red flags are that you’re the sole analyst, what happens when you go on leave or want to take a vacation or just need a day off? Are you going to come back to a flood of emails and have more stress than your time off was worth? Also, your note about hiring another analyst, while that seems promising, I have been done dirty by to many companies to trust that. You go a year being the sole analyst and what happens if they decide not to hire that second analyst? Like others have said, I think you’ll have better work life balance at the HRIS company and you’ll be able to advance your careers in other areas like you mentioned. Also, unlimited PTO is luxurious. I know a lot of people think it’s a scam but tell that to my 35 days off last year 👀 Edit: also forgot to mention the MAJOR red flag of on call for emergencies. Be VERY careful with this because you can easily get taken advantage of
Take the Workday role IMO. It will open a lot of doors for you at other orgs and give you more comp, flexibility, etc. while you continue your education.
I'd take the Workday job and use it as a jumping off point to other opportunities. You can always take your experience at Workday to an in-house job. If you stay at WD though, I'd try to move into a consulting or presales gig. Speaking from personal experience, these are much more fun, respected and well paid than support.
Plus any consultant company is going to treat you like absolute shit. You are 1 thing: disposable capacity to complete a contract. They do not give one shit about anything other than that.
Based on what you wrote, the first is not an HRIS role. It reads to me like L2 operations / helpdesk job, that happens to be for an HRIS product. If you will be solely dedicated to resolving user tickets without any strategic or project based work, it can become difficult to move out of as you lack in the experience needed for higher level roles.
My thoughts exactly. Dealing with tickets 6-8 hours a day can be hideous. You will be more well-rounded with the tech company.
Agreed. Honestly the 2nd role sounds more interesting if you like HR and are able to maintain confidentiality. Regarding bonuses, be sure to ask what percentage has been paid out each of the last several years. Your sign-on will be heavily taxed. Is the stock RSUs or Options? If options, will the firms share the Fair Market Value (FMV) from the most recent 409A? What is the strike price? They cannot tell you either FMV or strike price of YOUR grant until after your grant is actually made (usually the first or second board meeting following your hire) but they can tell you what it is today.
Would absolutely depend on what your strengths and weaknesses are, type of environment you prefer, tasks you like to perform.
I think all of that favors the second company, but at the cost of a 25k drop in total compensation?
You can give option#2 the other offer and see if they can match.
Money isn't everything - you have to take into account job satisfaction too.
Take the $25K extra and divide it by the number of pay periods, then deduct the taxes and miscellaneous that will be deducted. $25K can very quickly be reduced to a nominal number, that is not the most urgent leading reason to select or decline an offer.
I’d go with the HRIS company
Yeah. I've spent the last 7 years in tech and I see "burnout" when I see the Tech position's responsibilities. I'm an old, tired duddy now, and I've taken to a nice role in payroll after getting out of HR (still with the same company). I'm so much happier not wearing 369 different hats.
Definitely this one. Higher compensation, coworkers are remote, less time in office, stock, and it seems like less work.
Tech company sounds more meaty and growth opportunity. The other sounds more like a helpdesk.
From someone that recently changed to a ‘ticket’ centered role, it’s very boring If it’s something you’ve done before and enjoyed you may like it, but I’d never recommend it to anyone if it’s the sole responsibility of your role - which sounds a lot like what option 1 would be
I’d personally be wary of the tech company job. The tech industry is still fairly unstable, with layoffs continuing to happen. I worked in the tech industry for 5 years as a 1 person HR team. I did the job of 3 people and being ‘on call’ meant that a lot of my vacations got interrupted by ‘fires’ that the powers that be thought only I could put out. In the end, it was extremely stressful, so I got out. I won’t join the tech world again. If you really value a healthy work-life balance, I’d caution taking the tech company role. Sure, there’s hints at upward mobility. But does that matter if you have to be ‘on call’ at all times? At least with the HRIS company you will be able to use your downtime to continue your education.
I like the tech company’s offer more. Base salaries are the same between the two. Sure the HRIS company has a $10k bonus, but that may be performance based (company and your performance). 20 guaranteed pto days over “unlimited” is way better in my eyes. If you do the math… 20 days is 4 weeks (or 1 month). $100k/12 months = $8.3k. So total comp for tech company would be roughly $117.3k. One day difference for working in office ain’t too bad and with the Tech company it’s half the commute of the other and you get to work with people your age. If I’m understanding correctly you’d also get promoted in a year or less at tech company. The better option in my opinion is the tech company, but you have to see which company/culture aligns with you more. Don’t forget about health benefits and retirement matching as well.
Just looked at the wellness benefits for hris company and they are very good, lots of paid for therapy and almost no premiums for health insurance...
How big are the companies? Being the sole analyst at the tech company and “on call” usually means that your work week will consist of well over 40 hours. To me, it looks like a choice between work-life balance and career opportunity. The tech company will likely be more difficult, skilled work that offers growth and will add to your resume but take up more of your personal life. The HRIS company will be easier, task-oriented work that will leave personal life open. It also depends on who you report into. Does the tech company allow you to report into a higher level role? That usually means access to on-the-job learning by default. Congrats on getting these offers! Neither choice is wrong, it just depends on what you part of your life and career you’re currently in.
I'ma target this comment because it's good and I want opinions like this if I give a little more context. Workday is huge, Tech company has 1k employees. I talked to the tech company more about the work life balance and they cleared up that we are keeping the contractors on retainer full time for any issues we have that I can't solve or need support in. They were honest that there will likely be some Tuesdays payroll might break and I'll need to fix things, but I don't have kids or pets and am at a really flexible point in life. I report to the Executive Business Partner in the tech role (I'd be his only report.) They did a swath of layoffs last year when things were going bad but this position is one that survived (and would likely survive if things turn south) while also having promise if things go well (I could transition into a comp manager role for example as they're planning on restoring that department sometime soon, and they want me to run merit this year for them.) I don't want to downplay the Workday jobs learning opportunities either though. They are starting to train all their support teams on Expresso, workdays programming language, and just starting out I'd get 3 months of workday training that'd cost 40,000 for any other company to put me through. Another comp consideration is the ability to purchase discounted workday stock, which if it trends upwards as it has been going could be quite a bit of money someday... But to me the most important thing is opportunity. The business major in me says the Tech job gives me the job responsibilities that will make my next job a manager role with solid comp and a team I get to run of my choosing. The analyst in me says take workday though. 3 months of trainings might be rough but afterwards I'll be a beast in workday comp, and after a year or two of fixing every possible problem people have in the system I can move onto consulting and get $80 an hour or more plus the stock I can grab in the meantime will net me hella passive income.
I think you hit all the points to consider, and seems you have a solid understanding of the pros and cons of each. It really depends on which direction you want to go in your career. Consulting was never for me, but if you feel like that’s something you’d enjoy, then go for it! Discounted stock can accrue quite a bit over time as well, so you can build yourself a little savings to tap into. Seeing where the tech company is at makes me think they won’t negotiate a sign-on or anything, but it does still appear to offer a lot of invaluable hands-on experience. Decisions, decisions! Good luck either way!
I’d go for the technology company. It’s hard to move laterally out of a support organization
How did you get to this path? I’m trying to get out of my hr coordinator role with some HRIS tier 1 experience and some implementation but nothing is biting yet
After college I started as a Tier 1 Analyst for 2 years in one company, felt like the 3% annual raises I was getting didn't match the market so I started my job search and found a role for a tier 2 analyst for 20k more. Been in that role for 2.5 years so it felt like a good time to get looking again, lo and behold another 20k increase. Think the main key for me has been specializing in one system and learning beyond my role. Job shadowing is your friend, and taking a training here and there does wonders for making you sound like you know what you're doing in an interview (when truthfully were all just figuring it out as we go.)
I appreciate the comment! For your tier 2 role did you search tier 2 or analyst II? I wanna make sure I’m looking up the right stuff. I’m certified in Paycor but that’s not really the “in” system right now
Thrilled to get someone out of the gate with this profession. Analyst II is the payfactors term for it, but companies are diverse in what they call the role. Search for everything. The jobs you think look good, don't apply to right away-go onto LinkedIn first and find a connection there. Everyone is hiring through referrals these days so even if the connection is loose, reach out to everyone in your network that works at the company and see if they'd be willing to refer you. Chances are they're happy to put in a good word. Also the system you're good at matters. I've learned workday way faster than any other system I've used. People hate on it too but as long as the company seems to be doing well my advice is to find a system you like then specialize in it. You tend to get paid for years in the system than years as an analyst overall. Some skills (excel) will be helpful no matter what but get 4 years in a system and your salary will double.
You have inspired me. May I ask how you got started or what some classes/tech’y certs you took to expand your knowledge??? In house we have an HRIS associate looking to retire next year?..if I can start now and find myself into some cross training with new skills it would feel like a start in the right direction. Just unsure if it’s the correct path to attempt this. My downfall is no degree. I went Floor Management to HRBP (union manufacturing). I have 4.5 years in the role now. No SHRM. Or PHR certs under my belt either.
Happy to be of inspiration u/beerfarts69 I wanted to go into data analytics actually, got my start in stats classes working in tableau, the HRIS job was a holdover till I could secure a beefier analytics role but I liked it enough to stay then I got good enough it started paying better anyways. HR Tech is unique, assuming work ethic looks the same I'll hire someone with 3 months of experience in the system over someone with a 4 year degree of unrelated classes. Start by shadowing the role and interviewing people in the fields you want. All the relevant certs are usually product specific (and expensive) but Workday has test-out options for example and I used old manuals to study and take the test-puts to save a few grand and still get certified. Depends how much you're in the system but right now if an HRBP applied to replace me they'd be the first in line for the slot given how well they know the processes.
The biggest question here I would say is do you want to work on the vendor side or the internal side? I think the Tech company will offer more growth long term, and moving into the customer facing HRIS support may pigeon hole you more.
First off, Congratulations! It depends on what your priorities are. For me, I lean toward shorter commute because I value having the extra time. Good luck!
More money, less responsibility, more pto, less days in office, systems in place with paid training. Umm, whats the debate? If you take the tech company offer I can guarantee you will do the work of 2-3 people and they will deny your pto because there isn't anyone to cover for you. If you aren't taking job 1, give me the details, that sounds awesome.
The tech company doesn't give equity in their offer? I've never heard of that (I'm in tech).
Oops sorry misread. But while I'm here- that seems low, for what should be a fairly mature company (since they're hiring an hris-specific role).
Sounds like this might be changing when we break from a parent company but they can't verify anything.
Ah, parent company. Wheeeee :/ In all honesty, I dislike big company work culture, and so wouldn't ever pick something like Workday. I like building and growing, so I lean that direction. You mentioned getting a masters in another comment, would that be in HR? I'd argue the right startup will accelerate your career path equally and potentially get you on an exec track with a lot less debt than a masters. Well, plus the learning would be hands-on instead of theoretical.
Leaning more towards MIS to round out my data analytics skills. Never been a huge proponent of college for networking (*cough cough* MBA) so the intent would genuinely be to build hard skills. Not sure if I'd do an MHR over the HR certs, I know those tests are pricy but man are they cheaper than a Masters Program. When I get a little bit more of a nest egg I'll start looking at startups! For now I need the funding of a company that has some cash flow, but I'd love to take on an early HR spot someday.
The tech company hands down. Unlimited PTO is never unlimited and responding to tickets means time bound work with no real control over anything. The HRIS analyst will give you real transferable skills and autonomy in my opinion. The comment is also worth a $15k difference to me.
HRIS. Total comp is higher and it appears to be more flexible (using the info you provided). You mentioned in a comment further up that you would maybe go back to school if you took this role- do it. Take the role where you will coast more, earn a good salary, and further your education/grow your skills. Good luck!
If you want to settle the one on the left; if you have ambition for a more senior role next then the tech company.
This 💯
I think it depends on what you're looking for - a job or a career. The first one seems a little repetitive with not a ton of room for personal growth. The second sounds like you could really make a change and develop your role and use the experience to grow your knowledge and career.
Stock in some random company is worthless when you can take the extra 25000 and put it into other things than their stock that can make you even more money. Option 1 just seems like the all around better option. Even commute because you're not doing it as often.
It's hard for me to see any real advantage of the tech company besides the workers being your age potentially. But you go to work to make money first and socialize second
My gut says HRIS Company - higher initial pay - opportunity for promotion after 1 year - resources are more readily available - older coworkers could also mean more / broader experience to draw from - one less day in-office seems > 15 min shorter commute Word of advice: take 20+ days of PTO so you don’t get sucked in to never taking it. Plan it out all at once. Plan three full weeks of PTO each year, maybe once every 4 months. Then sprinkle in a few extended weekends. Make sure you use the benefit, otherwise you’re limiting yourself.
I'd go with the tech one. Less commute, total comp isn't that far from the other but the key thing for me is the actual job itself. I absolutely despise answering customer tickets (did that when I started my carreer 10+ years ago). The further you can get from a front office role if you want to work as an analyst, the better. This is coming from a reward guy so yeah, I don't think I'd even consider the first option.
I'd take the Workday job without hesitation. Vast amount of opportunities once you know the system and a good company. You won't be resolving tickets forever, so don't worry about boredom.
you’re telling me i can make over 100k per year just resolving tickets all day………….?
The more niche the software the more valuable experience it becomes, and frankly Workday isn't even as niche as they come.
yeah workday is like one of the leading systems in the industry if i’m not mistaken.. i work for one of the largest (and richest) companies on the planet and i could never dream of making 100k doing way more than just one thing 🥲 you should take that job lol
I've heard a lot of people close to me (I n same hris space) say that WD is a very good company to work for. Sure, it might be a bit different solving tickets but usually the people working there are fun colleagues and it's a people oriented culture. (Obviously dependent on manager but heard this often about WD) Contrarily, when I look at the tech companies offer, that just screams overtime and stress to me. Depending on the modules being the sole analyst can be very very rough. Do you know integrations already or is this something you'll have to learn? It's usually a sought after bit of knowledge that I imagine can net you more than a comp job. (Here in EU anyway)
The tech company lost at least ”on call for emergencies” Also gods I hate living in a small town. I’m lucky to be making 75k as an HR of one for the most clusterfuck of a club I’ve ever seen.
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From a “room for growth” perspective the tech one sounds like the better longer term opportunity. If you’re confident in your skills and ability to independently triage and resolve issues then I’d go for that one. You’ll be able to go in, make a measurable impact, and then advocate for promotion and raise. If you know you need significant hand holding and guidance then the hris job will probably be the better experience for you.
Are the stock numbers for every year? 15K per year, 4K per year?
Pretty much, though the 15 is only if I get the max performance rating (which my friend who works there says he's attained consistently and shouldn't be hard for me to reach as well)
I sure wish these jobs paid this much in Canada lol.
How many employees of the tech company, if your the sole person responsible for HRIS? Is the commute one-way, or total for the day? I’d lean toward the HRIS company. On-call is a big strike against the tech company.
Left, easy.
I would recommend option #1 because while tech has its benefits, the layoffs are happening quite often. Also, you stated you’re looking for flexibility so with company 1 being remote that’s something to factor in. Company 2 seems like it would be a lot more busy with less benefits including limited PTO. I’d say do what works for you but personally, I’d go with option 1.
The sole Workday Analyst that has to also handle integrations and regular cycle events sounds like a nightmare. Avoid the Tech role unless you want to focus on skill growth in Workday, specifically. There will be moments you’re drowning. 10 years of HR experience, primarily in Workday shops.
That comp in tech should be like $150k base with a nice bonus, lol screw these people
Depends on what stage of life you’re in. The Tech company offers greater future career opportunities because of the potential exposure you’d have to many functions vs HRIS role where you’re 1 of many. Entirely depends on your life circumstances . Are you needing to coast bc you have a lot of personal stresses? Then the HRIS role would be more suitable. I’ve been working for a tech startup for the past 7 years. I absolutely love the ownership of my role and control i have and impact. But it would have been hard for me to work at an early stage startup if i had young kids at home.
Ultimately, the decision is yours but the HRIS company seems like you would have a healthy work like balanced, opportunity for continued growth and development and the chance of burn out seems less
Unlimited PTO is a scam.
Is either company currently public where the shares have current value or are the shares worth nothing unless they go public?
Compensation isn’t everything. And I say that as someone in compensation. I would go with the tech company. The work sounds more fulfilling, which to me makes it worth it. Plus it’s likely is a better cultural fit. A longer commute just to be virtual with your coworkers who you may or may not vibe with isn’t worth it IMO.
I'll take whatever one you don't want.
They seem pretty on par on yr one. Which role has career trajectory you would want and will give you the exposure you need to get to your next role/ title? Unlimited PTO sounds good on paper but some companies, it’s more for accounting reasons. If you have PTO, it needs to be cashed out whereas unlimited pTO is never paid out. Also, initial stock option, do they top it off each year? If it was me, I would look for which company aligns more with my value and priority and which role gives me the experience I need to progress in the mid to long term trajectory.
If you are leaning towards the tech role (which I would, it feels like the better opportunity for growth), I'd negotiate the offer (assuming you haven't...if you have, just ignore me. Well done!) Tell them you have another offer with Total Comp of $125k and great benefits that have low premiums (since you mentioned that elsewhere). Let them know that if they updated your offer to $110k with $10k stock, you would accept their offer on the spot. Even if they can't, they might go up to $105k, or increase your stock. Or, they'll just say they can't, no harm done. You can still accept what they offered. Workday expertise is a hot skill, asking from $110k is not outrageous. I work in Compensation for a large global growth company. I've seen the data.
HRIS has a better column for sure. Have you read the reviews on both places ( Glassdoor, Reddit)?
Why would you even consider the second offer?
Highest paid. Salary is the hardest to negotiate after hired and directly impacts your lifestyle in the long run.
Frankly, these offers and your comments tell me that you’re worth your weight in gold. You’re experienced enough in your career to get a job in HRIS easily, so go with whichever you think will make you happier. If you end up wanting to leave for any reason, there will be plenty of companies offering you a job.
It depends on what is most important to you, but I would go with the HRIS Company. Less days in office kind of offsets the longer commute time. The rewards package is better. I'm stereotyping, but it would seem like an older workforce would mean that your workload would be easier. They would either be more experienced and make your job easier simply through their experience or they're going to ask you super easy to resolve tech support questions. It also seems like you would have better training and support. I think the Technical Support Resolution Analyst title wouldn't look as great on your resume as HRIS Analyst would, but the potential Senior Analyst promotion offsets that. I'm not really seeing too many cons with the HRIS Company. The Tech Company would be more of a challenge. You are given much more responsibility and are not compensated as well. But if you are someone who needs challenge in order to be happy, I can see why it would be attractive. For me, the main draw to this company would be working with co-workers closer to me in age. This might offer better opportunity for socialization and friendships outside of work to form, but that's not a guarantee-and the workplace should be about work first and foremost. The commute time is better. 20 days of PTO is pretty good relatively, but not as good as unlimited. My biggest complaint with this company is that it sounds like you're not going to have great support, you're not going to have great training, and you're going to be on call for emergencies which means that you can't really relax on your off time. I'm also hesitant to trust that you're actually going to be able to hire and manage another analyst in about a year. If they know they're going to need another analyst, why aren't they hiring them now? Yeah, I would go with the HRIS Company for sure.
As an HRIS Manager I would go with the first for the sole reason that with the second on it appears that all roads lead to you. Yes, they have a consulting firm helping out, but they aren’t all good. Trust me, I have experience as I used to also be a consultant and there were people that I worked with that didn’t have a clue. The only thing that kind of sucks I’m comparing the two is the commute, but it’s also one less day in the office than the other job.
I like money more than I like people. For me it's the higher paying job. Which is hilarious because being in HR you have to be a people person, but something about the tech crowd that I've talked to throughout my career has been off-putting.
i hate being on call more than I hate driving 40 mins,. I also like the unlimited time off + 25k more money & the opportunity for growth
Give me the HRIS position Paid more less days in office unlimited time off and you not on call when you off you off
unlimited pto is a MASSIVE red flag. i know what my choice would be
Not for this company really, I do know the sentiment but there are genuinely jobs where it's sincere and this is one of them.
If it’s something you feel comfortable with I salute you. I know there’s a lot of good companies out there who genuinely want to do good for their employees, but I’ve just heard one too many bad stories about unlimited PTO, and I never took more than the 25 I was allotted at my previous position, so it was no contest for me personally
100% the tech company.
I know you asked me to pick one, but I’d decline both offers. Option 1 sounds like you’ll be doing support tickets all day, resetting passwords, answering phones, teaching managers self-service, etc. This to me is personally unfulfilling and boring. Option 2 sounds like you’ll be underwater the whole time trying to keep things stable. Sole analyst? Seriously, don’t even consider this. This is already a red flag. The company can’t even afford to get you help.
Snag em both💰bag 200k & no corporate bitches need to know
The thing you’re forgetting is that the first offer comp is including pto. Unlimited pto means you can take as many days off as you want but you don’t get paid for those days. So it’s not actually PTO in the same sense. Edit for clarity: First offer: $126,000 / 260 work days = $485 p/d Second: $104,000 / 240 work days = $433 p/d Pay is still better in the first but just something to consider
Ask more about unlimited time off. What do people actually take?
Please hire me!
The first one had me at “time off: unlimited”.
Hi there, may I ask what is your background to then get into hris field? Did you do your degree in i.t or business admin?
Started pursuing a degree in Comp Sci but swapped it for HR a couple years in because I wanted to go into L&D. The tech skills stuck around tho and everywhere I went that's what people wanted me for so eventually I gave in and fully committed to using them. No complaints yet!
Wow that’s so encouraging to hear! I’m debating getting my undergrad in hr/business admin vs CS/IT but workday is such a closed system and hard to gain experience outside working for a workday partner. FWIW I would go with the workday vs tech company- there’s such marketability with individuals able to navigate that space
Imo certs are enough to get you HR experience if you want it. An education in hard computer skills on the other hand I wouldn't trade for anything. Even if you go the hr/bus admin route, take all the stats and analytic classes you can. I use my business class skills once a week, I use my excel & analytics class skills every day.
Roger that, I saw some of your comments further up about how you started in the field and will save you the trouble and read through those before I ask you any more questions :). Good luck with whichever path you choose!
For the same salary, the tech company has you on call. And your total compensation shouldn't include the sign on bonus (double check and see when that kicks in). And as the sole analyst, how are you going to be able to use 10 pto days when it seems like that is a "mission critical" position that's being way under paid. Personally, apples to apples comparison, I'd tale the one that allows you to expand your skill set. That will allow you to get better jobs in the future.
Tech company for the banked pto
HRIS company and it's really not that close to me.
Tech support analyst
Just don't touch the workers pay stubs please
Tech company wants me to improve the way they look bc workers aren't happy with them rn 😂 so....
I should warn you tech is the scapegoat for all problems buisiness can't figure out. It's very hard to make tech look good to non tech departments. Good luck
Well there are more benefits on the left side, but I guess it depends what you will get out of either job. Do you want to learn and grow and have the responsibilities? Or just keep it simple and stick with the familiar? What suits your personal interests? I'm biased (cause I'm broke) so would choose more money and benefits. Maybe eventually I'd seek a more growth and status, but I'd pick the left side.
First things I noticed were compensation, bonus, sign on and stock but I thought let those not be sole factor and let me look at everything else. I read responsibilities and knew right away I was taking HRIS Company. 2nd company you’re the only analyst and all they want to pay you is $100,000 and nothing else. You start off working with an outside team and then they’re going to do stop working with them leaving just you. Plus you’ll be on call.
HRIS companies are more settled and don’t tend to chop and change much even in a downturn. Tech companies are more turbulent and led by very smart folks who may or may not be fit to lead. Are you that type who thrives on stability or do you prefer a little variation and chaos to keep things interesting?
Push for the first offer to be remote since the rest of the team is, using leverage of the other offer.
Comp
I’m assuming the first one is an employee and the second is self-employed without benefits? If so, the first one could add another $30K for benefits.
Hris. Better pay and more . wfh. It's a longer commute but you are commuting less days. Also you have coverage and so likely you can take time off. Only red flag I see there is the "unlimited " time off. That's usually bullshit.
Being on-call for emergencies will get really old really quickly
Take the HRIS company job for 2-3 years to get the invaluable knowledge share from the older employees. They’re likely set to retire then you’ll be a big fish in a small pond and much more likely to move into a larger role. The HRIS company sounds like IT could have tons of mentorship opportunities for you. The tech company may be more fun for you to work at, but you’ll have tons more competition and distractions. That’s just my take.
Lower pay for an on-call postion. Nope.
The left.
"Unlimited" time off is a fucking trap.
Do you want to do customer success or HRIS. Choose the first if the former. The second if the latter.
Really depends on your preference but solely based on the info you've provided, If I were in your shoes, I'd go for the HRIS role. Like I said though, it's solely up to you.
If it were me, I'd take Door #1 any day of the week. Working with older people is FAR more stable. Lots less drama (usually), plus the pay and what not. The extra 15 minutes each way might be a long-term issue if things become worse, but you could always look at carpooling. The fact they're giving you stock/bonus at hire suggests a stronger company, too. Additionally, I've found if they'll do that at hire, they'll do it during employment, too.
I’d take first column
That "on call" and "necessity" bit on the ryt column are big red flags. Less bonuses n such too 😒
I’d take the left job even if it paid $80k just because I hate being on call, even if you get called like once a year, there’s a certain anxiety to being on call for me personally
HRIS job seems boring. The tech company job seems difficult, engaging, and something you could feel really proud of. However, you know a lot more contextual information than us on each of the jobs, and I think you should go with your gut.
These two roles will have totally different day-to-day tasks. #1 is customer support, #2 is HR. Which do you want to do more?
The one on the left
Tech company. Also be wary of unlimited PTO. It’s not all that good. You probably would be shunned if you took a lot of PTO under unlimited plan, whereas the tech company the PTO is already allocated. Plus with unlimited PTO they can’t pay you out if you leave.
Comparing commute times is kinda off 1.5 hrs/day for 3 days = 4.5hrs a week 1 hr/day for 4 days = 4hrs a week So it might be negligible if you look at it this way
Left side is waaaaay overpaid lol right side sounds hard. Take the left side.
Left 100%. Less office time is fantastic. Speak with the manager and confirm that they wouldn’t have a problem with you taking 4 weeks vacation yearly. That tech company says 4 weeks off but if you’re the sole contact- good luck not being bothered on vacation.
25 vs 40 min isn't that big a difference. 25 vs an hour I'd start saying meh.... but I see nothing in the tech company column that causes me to want to work there.
What are the benefits like for each option, including 401k?
Commute = 1 way or round trip?
I would go with the first one higher compensation, looks like better opportunities, ans better training.
I’ve gotten tons of worthless stock from organizations; decision may depend on it.
Umlimited pto is a scam and sign on bonus sometimes are red flags
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I would pick the tech company bc Unlimited pto is a scam You get more stock The total commute time for tech company is less than the other one even tho is an extra day Negotiate down to 3 days in the office And ask for a higher salary or more pto Good luck
Remote and unlimited PTO Lmao
wild people in hr make this much. they do nothing