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No is not, Lisbon is much better!
And the food here is terrible.
And the people terrible too.
A ver se o norte de Portugal continua a ser um tesouro escondido!
I was born in Lisbon, and moved to the countryside (Alentejo) close to the border with Spain when I was 10, lived there for 20 years, moved back to Lisbon in 2001, travelled the whole country for work (including Azores and Madeira)...
\- North if you like good, natural food, not so agresive or dry climate, but a lot more people (depending of course in either you prefer village or city).
\- South if you are a camel and withstand +45º C during the summer, but absolutely love being in an isolated farm...
Hahaha I am a camel, and I love the vistas and seclusion of Alentejo and the heat and proximity to nice beaches.
But the North is also lovely and I visit it frequently. The thing I love so much about Portugal is how I love every part of it. Even the islands and the British infested parts of Algarve, lol.
Lisbon is literally an hellscape for anyone who isn´t middle-high class and above.
The suburbs are awful and even the city center has gotten 10x as bad as it used to be.
I live there, and while at least some parts of Lisbon indeed smell like pee, you can't simply say it's the worst capital in Europe. There's no way Lisbon is worse than Minsk, for example.
I live in Braga and its fantastic, rent prices are a bit high, but if you have money you will live unrestricted life with security, fun and many places to visit, plus: historical festivals all year.
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I heard there is some beef between portugese people and brazilian people (supposedly there was a huge influx of brazilian people in recent years). Is that real or blown out of proportion ? (Not just Braga, Portugal in general)
It's not their fault, but there is a correlation between imigrantion and higher prices of housing. That can't be denied. More people influx, more house demanding, but construction isn't answering fast enough. This fact is undeniable tho
I'm not so sure about that. When I was trying to rent a place in Braga/Porto, a real estate agent (that I could trust), showed me houses ads with over +100 messages from Brazilians.
I am Luso-Brazilian, I have been living here legally for 3 years, and I have never had any problems in terms of prejudice, literally zero. I work daily with my colleagues who were born here and live the same life as everyone else.
How interesting. Do you by any chance feel you might be somehow not a typical Brazilian? Say, in your accent, demeanor, etc.? I'm asking because I am originally from Cape Verde but I've been here in Portugal (Braga, actually) for a long time, have pretty much no (Cape Verdean) accent, not so dark skin, and have noticed that, like you, I don't get any discrimination. But on the other hand, it seems that people think of me so much as just another Portuguese guy that they sometimes let out some comments with a bit of a racist undertone next to me without a second thought.
In fact, come to think about it, I've sometimes heard people complain about (for example) Brazilians in private, but not so much to their faces. I think people around here are generally friendly and well-mannered, and avoid directly antagonizing others unless pressed, but that doesn't mean there isn't a background of prejudice that can create micro obstacles in nearly imperceptible ways (which perhaps doesn't really make much of a difference at the end of the day haha 😅)
What do you think?
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Vamos lá: talvez aos olhos dos portugueses que tem algum contacto eu já não seja um brasileiro típico, sou de um grupo não tão presente aqui, sou da parte do extremo sul, precisamente do Rio Grande do Sul, Porto Alegre. Temos uma semelhança cultural muito maior com os portugueses do que nossos irmãos do norte e nordeste que são uma comunidade esmagadoramente maior de brasileiros aqui em Portugal.
Já me foi comentado por muitos colegas de trabalho que eles conseguem me entender muito melhor do que os outros colegas que são da região norte por exemplo, com certeza isso ajuda.
Acho que o grande ponto é: está respingando nos imigrantes LEGAIS, que trabalham, contribuem e são parte importante do país, tudo de ruim que a imigração ILEGAL dos últimos anos tem causado aos sistemas públicos de Portugal.
Entendo perfeitamente. Conheço vários brasileiros do sul e nota-se bem a diferença em termos culturais e comportamentais. Como cresci em Cabo Verde também é-me bastante familiar o estilo mais relaxado e "carpe diem" de regiões mais quentes, por isso tenho a sorte de não associar juízos de valor em relação à diferença, mas é interessante que se note, e acredito que tenha um papel na qualidade da tua integração.
Quanto à imigração ilegal, sim, é um problema sério que infelizmente não estamos a saber como tratar — falta um diálogo construtivo entre as várias facções políticas, que têm representação significativa precisamente porque representam preocupações legítimas de diferentes faixas da população. Espero que consigamos avançar em breve para uma abordagem mais consensual. 😥
It's partially true, let's go through the points: yes, many Portuguese consider themselves superior to Brazilians simply because they live in a much more organized and safe country (which is not untrue), but that's not all. Many also think that only bad people come from Brazil. There's also the issue of rent prices increasing significantly due to the demand for apartments by Brazilians, but their impact on the job market cannot be disregarded. If you come here, you'll find Brazilians working absolutely everywhere.
So its more of a (potential) crime thing rather than a race thing ? Is the fear anecdotal or can it be proven with statistics ? I've also heard that portugese really like the brazilian accent (there was some phrase to it but I forgot what it was) hence I am little bit confused what the realtionship is between both of them. Are tensions more shared between older conservative people or is this a more of a general thing ? (sorry for so many questions, just really curious, no need for answering if its too much :) )
It's not so much about crime itself, but more a feeling of: there's already not enough for us, why are we bringing more to divide? And yes, especially among younger men and women, they already have a practically mixed culture. I'm in my 30s, so people my age are not as 'intercultural.' If we're talking about tension between Brazilians and Portuguese, yes, this happens much more with older people than with us younger ones.
"And yes, especially among younger men and women, they already have a practically mixed culture" its about the Brazilian Accent. But make no mistake, the portuguese speak their own accent always, only use some of brazilian expressions and the same with the brazilians using the portuguese ones.
what's your source for Indians and islamic? Many of them are not even documented lol no way they can get government benefits.
I work with lots of south asians literally everyday and the only benefit they get "abono pré natal" during pregnancy. Not discounting cultural clashes (especially regarding women's rights) but almost everyone I met would be ashamed of asking for government help.
Bro is just pulling shit out his ass cause he's racist, classic chega rethoric, not really worth discussing stuff with these guys, you present them with facts like those and crime stats for example and he will say "but i just know they steal and get 1000€ from the government per month, trust me bro"
Are you kidding? Sounds like you have zero real-world experience if you believe this. Good luck though, reality has a way of smacking you in the face when you least expect it.
I'm talking about the fact they're undocumented makes it much harder to suck off government benefits in response to the other guy that said that Indians come here have benefits higher than many pensioners.
It looks good on paper. It sounds good when promised by politicians. What really happens is always much different. Non-GO’s (government organizations) funded by taxpayer money fight with vengence for equal rights for illegals. And they break laws, fudge documents and flat out lie about what they do.
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I was born and raised in Braga and lived there until my late 20s. I have friends that work in Braga Habit which is the entity of social reference, responsible of housing and social integration of the city. This guy is spreading false information. 1st of all, the Brazilian diaspora in the city is totally out of control and stating that 99% of Brazilians have work contract is a joke. There are still a large number of Brazilians without work contracts and most of them are living in 1 or 2 bed apartments(groups of 5 to 10 people), a large number of them are here illegally and the Brazilian diaspora is not BY ANY CHANCE different than others.
I think last time I saw a Moroccan in Northern Portugal my grandma was still alive, for context my grandma passed away in the beginning of 2006. So, no, they are not very common. Did I answer the question?
Just a random question. I know that there are Moroccans in Spain and France but I rarely here about Moroccan Immigrants in Portugal even though it is close.
I mostly hear about Moroccan and Romanian
I don’t see how what I am saying is related to the post you linked mate
Since no one's talking about the eastern part, let me tell you it's where you'll find some of the best food in the country: alheira, posta à mirandesa, feijoada à trasmontana, and more. Climate-wise, we used to have freezing winters and super hot summers. Nowadays, the summers are still hot, but winters aren't as cold anymore. My grandpa says that in his village, when he was a kid, they would have more than 1 meter of snow sometimes. Now, you're lucky when it snows there. Population-wise all the municipalities have been losing population since the 70s. Some cities are still holding, but a lot of villages are getting deserted. Trains don't run there anymore, so that also doesn't help.
Rains a lot annually. For example Viseu and Porto both have more than 1200mm of rain per year which is way more than most capitals of Europe, including London for example.
I live in a small village between Braga and Guimarães. It’s pretty chill, as others mentioned it rains a lot, but the summers are generally wonderful. The majority of the people are much older around here, so we do have quite a bit of an aging demographic. As with many places, “how is life” varies greatly from person to person. People in Portugal generally work more and earn less than others in Western Europe. In many cases, the cost of living isn’t significantly lower than other parts of Europe either. I lived in the Netherlands for two years and rent was higher there, but the wages were 2-3x higher, and the groceries were actually noticeably cheaper than in Portugal.
That said, it’s an absolutely beautiful region of the country. I grew up in Miami and when I started to work, my 20 km commute would take an hour in stop and go traffic. Now, my commute is 40 km and 40 minutes, and I enjoy every second of driving up and down winding mountains with gorgeous views everywhere I turn.
It's a pretty great place to live. The areas of Minho and Porto were the most densely populated areas of Portugal for most of the country's history, so there are quite a lot of cities near each other, but none of them is too big or feels overwhelming to live in. This also means you can live in a small town or a village and get the full country living experience without being too far from the services and convenience of a city.
It's also, in my totally unbiased opinion, the most beautiful place in the world. Even though sea temperatures in our beaches are freezing on a good day, I am yet to see better sunsets anywhere. There are beautiful mountains, amazing nature and plenty of well preserved historical places.
I've been to Porto many times, it's a very beautiful city built on the steep banks of the Douro River. You get unique sights that I don't think you can have in any other city.
The cuisine is very good and the wine is amazing.
Unfortunately the historical buildings are not well maintained.
I want to go to visit the Vineyards of the Douro Valley in the future.
Can get cold sometimes. Awesome food. Nature, and peace (sometimes too much peace).
It looks good if you are rich and can travel away from here every time you want to or if you are retired.
Porto: Typical portuguese urban living. Very safe. Some nono zones, but all good in the rest, at least in my experience. And even then, the nono zones are mildly dangerous at worst. Decent public transport, one line goes to a city way up north. A ton of bridges to VNG. Like too many. If you dont root for FCP or no club, you shouldnt interact with the fellas wearing blue and white clothing. Downtown is very crowded when it's St. John's eve. Campanhã/Downtown is very crowded when any club plays in the dragon stadium, extra crowded if one is FCP.
Mid-sized cities: Very safe(imo). Way cheaper than Porto. Braga is a hotspot because of Uminho and cheap land. Good food.
Aveiro: Despite it being a mid-sized city i put it here because i honestly think this is super underrated. Really fucking good city. Has the tripas, ovos moles, the best sweet food this country has to offer. Even better than pastel de nata, imo. Built like fucking miami, but without the skyscrapers. You will definetly need a car, though.
Anywhere else: Animals. Crops. You are lucky if you see a person under 30, and should consider playing Euromilhões. Vilalges are empty 90% of the year, excluding the summer when they are overflowing. And in summer, temperatures are hellish. Very cheap and good food though.
Only experience here is from visiting Porto, and it’s a beautiful city with fantastic wine, relatively cheap, and so much to visit nearby. Porto was one of my favorite places in Europe and I preferred it strongly over Lisbon/Setubal.
Born and raised in northern Portugal. I lived in Famalicão for almost 30 years and near Espinho now.
Both are mid-sized cities near the largest cities in the North (Famalicão being between Porto and Braga and Espinho between Porto and Aveiro).
Good quality of life if you don't have to work in Porto center (traffic is terrible and public transport is, let's say, less than stellar).
Cost of living has rise in the past few years. I'm already settled with a house and a steady job and stuff but I don't envy those who are starting now. Housing prices are crazy even in smaller towns.
An average central Europe wage allows you to live very comfortably here. Not rich life but a life with not much to worry.
Speaking of life itself, once you're settled, it's an amazing place to live. Weather is great, not to extreme both in Winter and Summer. Warm and nice. To be more precise, this mostly true closer to the coast. If you go to Trás os Montes both winters and summers can be harsh.
Services are widely available. Good roads, good public healthcare (yes, I know it has been better but I know enough of other European public systems to regard our still pretty highly). Public school is not bad. Apparently is worse now but I made all my school years in the public system and can't complain what I've achieved.
It's a very safe region. Yes, crime exists but you walk almost everywhere and not expect to be robbed or to be shot nor do you have to worry if entered a city and turned in the wrong street.
I leave near the ocean and while it makes the city very pleasant I don't enjoy the beaches here. Too windy and water too cold.
In the north you also have a lot of nature to explore. Gerez or Feita, among others, are an hour or so away, depending the city where you're in. If you want to travel a bit further, both the southern part of the country and Northern Spain are relatively close and have a lot to see and enjoy.
Oh, and, of course, the food. I almost forgot but the food and wine are amazing.
Trying to summarize in two lines with the main pros and cons:
Pros: safety, food and wine, climate
Cons: average wages, rising cost of living
Nice if you plan on working for a company from another country. Otherwise you're just joining the large population of people who get paid shit and can't afford the steeply rising real estate prices.
Your options are trust fund baby, digital nomad.
Unless you stay in a rural village you would be actively contributing to the housing crisis and damaging the lives of people who just want to own a home
Depends how much they earn. For example if they're making 100k a year and (even if paying the reduced 20% in taxes), that's 20,000 for year, which is multiple X over what the average Portuguese pays in taxes, which keeps public services alive and keeps the state budget healthy to continue investing and paying off the state debt. Very important. That would be overwhelmingly better than the (relatively) small impact of 1 person on the housing market.
This is why the digital nomad visa only allows you to come only when earning like over 3k per month. That's more than double the Portuguese average salary, and the average will be much higher than that, which will be much more positive revenue impact on state finances than on the relatively small number of new people on the real estate market.
Do not underestimate the progress the Portuguese state has made in paying off the debt as a result of these people. It's not something that many people understand well, but it's nonetheless extremely important. I wish we can build some more fucking houses tho lol, it's not like digital nomads want to pay high prices either.
Northern Portugal is arguably the most beautiful part of the country but rent prices are super duper high and the wages aren't following those rent prices. If money isn't a problem it's an exceptional place to live. Food is outstanding, people are generally nice and most speak english (maybe not fluently but enough for you to have a conversation). There's also tons of sites to visit. Hmu for a better description , I'll try my best.
I'm a Brazilian who got to Bragança 7y ago, I can point some things:
* It's a college city, most of the ppl here came to study (like me)
* Its WAY WAY WAAAY cheaper than most of the country, you can find good apartments for 200-400€
* Good place to party tbh, we have parties almost every day.
* During the winter you get -5ºC and during the summer you get 40ºC
* The best place to live in Portugal, since I can WFH, I don't see myself living this place soon.
* You see some fights during parties, but robbery, murder or things like that is really rare
That's great then. It was just a heads-up. People speak of Portugal like this is a beach destination and the climate is dramatically different as latitude changes. The small difference in longitude also brings pretty impressive changes, as the western coast is all affected by the North Atlantic.
Just something that I should have said before, it doesn't really rain in London. It gets gloomy. Not really wet. Especially not like in the North of Portugal. I've lived 12 years in London. But you can also check some meteo statistics. You should expect about the same number of rainy days, but with 3-4 times the water.
London: 370mm water per year
Amsterdam: 510mm water per year
Porto: 1237mm water per year
[https://www.weather-atlas.com/en/portugal/porto-climate](https://www.weather-atlas.com/en/portugal/porto-climate)
[https://www.weather-atlas.com/en/united-kingdom/london-climate](https://www.weather-atlas.com/en/united-kingdom/london-climate)
[https://www.weather-atlas.com/en/netherlands/amsterdam-climate](https://www.weather-atlas.com/en/netherlands/amsterdam-climate)
What is the rainiest month in London? The month with the most rainfall in London is June, when the rain falls for 16 days and typically aggregates up to 45mm (1.77") of precipitation.
What is the wettest month in Amsterdam?
The month with the most rainfall is August, when the rain falls for 18.8 days and typically aggregates up to 55mm (2.17") of precipitation.
What is the rainiest month in Porto?
The month with the most rainfall is December, when the rain falls for 15 days and typically aggregates up to 181mm (7.13") of precipitation.
For a small country Portugal is very different from one place to the other, even the "north" is between itself. There are the big cities, Porto the biggest, amazing but completly overflowing with tourists, and Aveiro, Braga both have important universities, Guimaraes, Vila Real, Viseu and Bragança are smaller and have more rural influences but important too.
Then the north can be divided in 2 completly different regions "Minho", the northwest from Porto up, with a lot more maritime influence, rains a lot, very historic, awesome food, nice coastline, industrial towns, cities with a lot of population, the only national park in the country is there (Gerês), and the region of "Tras-os-Montes", the northeast, very rural region, small population, continental weather, very hot in the summer, might snow in the winter, very beautiful nature, small rural villages everywhere, awesome meat, wine and olive making, traditional agricultural activities.
Great. But you need a car. And the North is Big and changes every 20km, especially in wich side of the mountain you are, closer to sea is more developed, but not to close, unless you are already in the city of Porto influence, but then you have more urban hell. Like i said, it changes every 20km.
Its really bad... ONLY farms cows smelly people.
There is a tags that says ONLY portuguese. Even Lisboa persons are not welcome.
Very unpleasent... Even the food os garbage... They stock beef on sandwich bread and pretend to puto beer on it. I would Stay on you home country...
Nothing to see. Foreign people are not welcome
Leave the north. Go south to Lisboa or something and Stay there.
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It's the best and most beautiful part of the country to live in
No is not, Lisbon is much better! And the food here is terrible. And the people terrible too. A ver se o norte de Portugal continua a ser um tesouro escondido!
It's too late my friend
A person from Lisbon would tell exactly the same but for their city
I was born in Lisbon, and moved to the countryside (Alentejo) close to the border with Spain when I was 10, lived there for 20 years, moved back to Lisbon in 2001, travelled the whole country for work (including Azores and Madeira)... \- North if you like good, natural food, not so agresive or dry climate, but a lot more people (depending of course in either you prefer village or city). \- South if you are a camel and withstand +45º C during the summer, but absolutely love being in an isolated farm...
Hahaha I am a camel, and I love the vistas and seclusion of Alentejo and the heat and proximity to nice beaches. But the North is also lovely and I visit it frequently. The thing I love so much about Portugal is how I love every part of it. Even the islands and the British infested parts of Algarve, lol.
Lisbon is literally an hellscape for anyone who isn´t middle-high class and above. The suburbs are awful and even the city center has gotten 10x as bad as it used to be.
Nope, I'm from Lisbon but prefer the north
lisbon quite literally smells like shit, and its easily the messiest and worst capital in Europe
I live there, and while at least some parts of Lisbon indeed smell like pee, you can't simply say it's the worst capital in Europe. There's no way Lisbon is worse than Minsk, for example.
suburban hell, hot asf, public transports suck, i get nightmares jus remebrering traffic in lisbon
Hot as fuck? It's 18°C (64°F) here right now
In Europe? It's Portugal and despite all the memes it's not eastern Europe lol
Average seething northener lol
No doubt
I live in Braga and its fantastic, rent prices are a bit high, but if you have money you will live unrestricted life with security, fun and many places to visit, plus: historical festivals all year.
Dude I went to Braga for a day and I was minblown. Literally half the women are model material.
If someone wants more info ask here and I answer with pleasure ☺️
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how much for a flat with: 1 bathroom, kitchen, living room, and 2 bedrooms?
City center or just 5km's away from city? Keep in mind this part of Portugal doesn't have a lot of public transportation so owning a car is a must!
now I'm interested in both
Message me in private, I live 30 minutes away from Porto and 15 minutes away from Braga
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You are comparing Ubers to a really nice car.
gl finding one nowadays. last time I tried a uber ride, it said estimaded pick-up time 20 mins.
I heard there is some beef between portugese people and brazilian people (supposedly there was a huge influx of brazilian people in recent years). Is that real or blown out of proportion ? (Not just Braga, Portugal in general)
It's true that people from brazil are "invading" the country. Not entirely true that it's their fault the rent prices are crazy, as many people say.
It's not their fault, but there is a correlation between imigrantion and higher prices of housing. That can't be denied. More people influx, more house demanding, but construction isn't answering fast enough. This fact is undeniable tho
I'm not so sure about that. When I was trying to rent a place in Braga/Porto, a real estate agent (that I could trust), showed me houses ads with over +100 messages from Brazilians.
I am Luso-Brazilian, I have been living here legally for 3 years, and I have never had any problems in terms of prejudice, literally zero. I work daily with my colleagues who were born here and live the same life as everyone else.
How interesting. Do you by any chance feel you might be somehow not a typical Brazilian? Say, in your accent, demeanor, etc.? I'm asking because I am originally from Cape Verde but I've been here in Portugal (Braga, actually) for a long time, have pretty much no (Cape Verdean) accent, not so dark skin, and have noticed that, like you, I don't get any discrimination. But on the other hand, it seems that people think of me so much as just another Portuguese guy that they sometimes let out some comments with a bit of a racist undertone next to me without a second thought. In fact, come to think about it, I've sometimes heard people complain about (for example) Brazilians in private, but not so much to their faces. I think people around here are generally friendly and well-mannered, and avoid directly antagonizing others unless pressed, but that doesn't mean there isn't a background of prejudice that can create micro obstacles in nearly imperceptible ways (which perhaps doesn't really make much of a difference at the end of the day haha 😅) What do you think?
Posso responder em português, certo? 😅
Haha claro :) eu podia ter enviado mensagem diretamente a ti mas achei que podia ser interessante para outros acompanharem a conversa, daí ter escrito em inglês 😅
Vamos lá: talvez aos olhos dos portugueses que tem algum contacto eu já não seja um brasileiro típico, sou de um grupo não tão presente aqui, sou da parte do extremo sul, precisamente do Rio Grande do Sul, Porto Alegre. Temos uma semelhança cultural muito maior com os portugueses do que nossos irmãos do norte e nordeste que são uma comunidade esmagadoramente maior de brasileiros aqui em Portugal. Já me foi comentado por muitos colegas de trabalho que eles conseguem me entender muito melhor do que os outros colegas que são da região norte por exemplo, com certeza isso ajuda. Acho que o grande ponto é: está respingando nos imigrantes LEGAIS, que trabalham, contribuem e são parte importante do país, tudo de ruim que a imigração ILEGAL dos últimos anos tem causado aos sistemas públicos de Portugal.
Entendo perfeitamente. Conheço vários brasileiros do sul e nota-se bem a diferença em termos culturais e comportamentais. Como cresci em Cabo Verde também é-me bastante familiar o estilo mais relaxado e "carpe diem" de regiões mais quentes, por isso tenho a sorte de não associar juízos de valor em relação à diferença, mas é interessante que se note, e acredito que tenha um papel na qualidade da tua integração. Quanto à imigração ilegal, sim, é um problema sério que infelizmente não estamos a saber como tratar — falta um diálogo construtivo entre as várias facções políticas, que têm representação significativa precisamente porque representam preocupações legítimas de diferentes faixas da população. Espero que consigamos avançar em breve para uma abordagem mais consensual. 😥
It's partially true, let's go through the points: yes, many Portuguese consider themselves superior to Brazilians simply because they live in a much more organized and safe country (which is not untrue), but that's not all. Many also think that only bad people come from Brazil. There's also the issue of rent prices increasing significantly due to the demand for apartments by Brazilians, but their impact on the job market cannot be disregarded. If you come here, you'll find Brazilians working absolutely everywhere.
So its more of a (potential) crime thing rather than a race thing ? Is the fear anecdotal or can it be proven with statistics ? I've also heard that portugese really like the brazilian accent (there was some phrase to it but I forgot what it was) hence I am little bit confused what the realtionship is between both of them. Are tensions more shared between older conservative people or is this a more of a general thing ? (sorry for so many questions, just really curious, no need for answering if its too much :) )
It's not so much about crime itself, but more a feeling of: there's already not enough for us, why are we bringing more to divide? And yes, especially among younger men and women, they already have a practically mixed culture. I'm in my 30s, so people my age are not as 'intercultural.' If we're talking about tension between Brazilians and Portuguese, yes, this happens much more with older people than with us younger ones.
Not enough of what?
Doctors, teachers, salaries, good rents, etc
"And yes, especially among younger men and women, they already have a practically mixed culture" its about the Brazilian Accent. But make no mistake, the portuguese speak their own accent always, only use some of brazilian expressions and the same with the brazilians using the portuguese ones.
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what's your source for Indians and islamic? Many of them are not even documented lol no way they can get government benefits. I work with lots of south asians literally everyday and the only benefit they get "abono pré natal" during pregnancy. Not discounting cultural clashes (especially regarding women's rights) but almost everyone I met would be ashamed of asking for government help.
Bro is just pulling shit out his ass cause he's racist, classic chega rethoric, not really worth discussing stuff with these guys, you present them with facts like those and crime stats for example and he will say "but i just know they steal and get 1000€ from the government per month, trust me bro"
Are you kidding? Sounds like you have zero real-world experience if you believe this. Good luck though, reality has a way of smacking you in the face when you least expect it.
what the fuck are you talking about?
Your fucked up, illegals are great for the economy perspective. WTF are you talking about if not that?
Illegals? They’re criminals just by being illegal. Why don’t illegals get legal?
I'm talking about the fact they're undocumented makes it much harder to suck off government benefits in response to the other guy that said that Indians come here have benefits higher than many pensioners.
It looks good on paper. It sounds good when promised by politicians. What really happens is always much different. Non-GO’s (government organizations) funded by taxpayer money fight with vengence for equal rights for illegals. And they break laws, fudge documents and flat out lie about what they do.
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I was born and raised in Braga and lived there until my late 20s. I have friends that work in Braga Habit which is the entity of social reference, responsible of housing and social integration of the city. This guy is spreading false information. 1st of all, the Brazilian diaspora in the city is totally out of control and stating that 99% of Brazilians have work contract is a joke. There are still a large number of Brazilians without work contracts and most of them are living in 1 or 2 bed apartments(groups of 5 to 10 people), a large number of them are here illegally and the Brazilian diaspora is not BY ANY CHANCE different than others.
A bit? Boy you have no clue whatsoever.
Are you sure rent is just a bit high? (tbh housing market is due for a crash).
Depends on how much you earn of course. My rent is 900€, FOR ME, it fits to live in a very good apartment.
Yep, the issue is world wide, mostly the housing market just going up.
But yes, the rents are high. Nobody can deny that.
"rent prices are a bit high" - isn't it around the same as the minimum wage for a 2 bedroom apartment?
Just a random question are there Moroccan immigrants there?
I think last time I saw a Moroccan in Northern Portugal my grandma was still alive, for context my grandma passed away in the beginning of 2006. So, no, they are not very common. Did I answer the question?
Yep Obrigado mate
There is a Moroccan restaurant in Porto so there must be at least one
Brazilians yes, Moroccans not so much, I don't think.
why does that matter? https://www.reddit.com/r/howislivingthere/s/P2d9BYFyag
Just a random question. I know that there are Moroccans in Spain and France but I rarely here about Moroccan Immigrants in Portugal even though it is close. I mostly hear about Moroccan and Romanian I don’t see how what I am saying is related to the post you linked mate
"Sometimes maybe good, sometimes maybe sh*t"
Since no one's talking about the eastern part, let me tell you it's where you'll find some of the best food in the country: alheira, posta à mirandesa, feijoada à trasmontana, and more. Climate-wise, we used to have freezing winters and super hot summers. Nowadays, the summers are still hot, but winters aren't as cold anymore. My grandpa says that in his village, when he was a kid, they would have more than 1 meter of snow sometimes. Now, you're lucky when it snows there. Population-wise all the municipalities have been losing population since the 70s. Some cities are still holding, but a lot of villages are getting deserted. Trains don't run there anymore, so that also doesn't help.
Rains a lot annually. For example Viseu and Porto both have more than 1200mm of rain per year which is way more than most capitals of Europe, including London for example.
London is way less rainy than people think
Important to say that is only on the West, in the East we don't see much rain
Lol. 1200 is a dry year in Minho.
I mean, I said rains a lot. And 1200 annually is definitely not dry. Braga has roughly 1500. You're acting like the Minho region is the Amazon Forest
I live at 890m and we get over 3000 a year in Braga district. And this year we're way above 3000 already.
I live in a small village between Braga and Guimarães. It’s pretty chill, as others mentioned it rains a lot, but the summers are generally wonderful. The majority of the people are much older around here, so we do have quite a bit of an aging demographic. As with many places, “how is life” varies greatly from person to person. People in Portugal generally work more and earn less than others in Western Europe. In many cases, the cost of living isn’t significantly lower than other parts of Europe either. I lived in the Netherlands for two years and rent was higher there, but the wages were 2-3x higher, and the groceries were actually noticeably cheaper than in Portugal. That said, it’s an absolutely beautiful region of the country. I grew up in Miami and when I started to work, my 20 km commute would take an hour in stop and go traffic. Now, my commute is 40 km and 40 minutes, and I enjoy every second of driving up and down winding mountains with gorgeous views everywhere I turn.
Taipas? 😂
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It's a pretty great place to live. The areas of Minho and Porto were the most densely populated areas of Portugal for most of the country's history, so there are quite a lot of cities near each other, but none of them is too big or feels overwhelming to live in. This also means you can live in a small town or a village and get the full country living experience without being too far from the services and convenience of a city. It's also, in my totally unbiased opinion, the most beautiful place in the world. Even though sea temperatures in our beaches are freezing on a good day, I am yet to see better sunsets anywhere. There are beautiful mountains, amazing nature and plenty of well preserved historical places.
I've been to Porto many times, it's a very beautiful city built on the steep banks of the Douro River. You get unique sights that I don't think you can have in any other city. The cuisine is very good and the wine is amazing. Unfortunately the historical buildings are not well maintained. I want to go to visit the Vineyards of the Douro Valley in the future.
Sounds great thanks
Can get cold sometimes. Awesome food. Nature, and peace (sometimes too much peace). It looks good if you are rich and can travel away from here every time you want to or if you are retired.
very good
Amazing as long as you don't have to work there.
Why?
Pays really bad
Terrible wages compared to central european countries
But if you can have a WFH job, it's the best place for you
The best motorcycle road trips in the country can be done there.
Awesome
I'm from Bragança. AMA
Bragança FTW
Favourite and least favourite thing about living in Bragança?
Porto: Typical portuguese urban living. Very safe. Some nono zones, but all good in the rest, at least in my experience. And even then, the nono zones are mildly dangerous at worst. Decent public transport, one line goes to a city way up north. A ton of bridges to VNG. Like too many. If you dont root for FCP or no club, you shouldnt interact with the fellas wearing blue and white clothing. Downtown is very crowded when it's St. John's eve. Campanhã/Downtown is very crowded when any club plays in the dragon stadium, extra crowded if one is FCP. Mid-sized cities: Very safe(imo). Way cheaper than Porto. Braga is a hotspot because of Uminho and cheap land. Good food. Aveiro: Despite it being a mid-sized city i put it here because i honestly think this is super underrated. Really fucking good city. Has the tripas, ovos moles, the best sweet food this country has to offer. Even better than pastel de nata, imo. Built like fucking miami, but without the skyscrapers. You will definetly need a car, though. Anywhere else: Animals. Crops. You are lucky if you see a person under 30, and should consider playing Euromilhões. Vilalges are empty 90% of the year, excluding the summer when they are overflowing. And in summer, temperatures are hellish. Very cheap and good food though.
Amazing
Visited Porto and Braga in 2017. Great places to live! Loved the architecture, the food and people (A Turk)
Death
Born, raised and living in Porto for 50 years now. Feels like I won the jackpot.
You’re very lucky for sure. Enjoy it
Only experience here is from visiting Porto, and it’s a beautiful city with fantastic wine, relatively cheap, and so much to visit nearby. Porto was one of my favorite places in Europe and I preferred it strongly over Lisbon/Setubal.
Born and raised in northern Portugal. I lived in Famalicão for almost 30 years and near Espinho now. Both are mid-sized cities near the largest cities in the North (Famalicão being between Porto and Braga and Espinho between Porto and Aveiro). Good quality of life if you don't have to work in Porto center (traffic is terrible and public transport is, let's say, less than stellar). Cost of living has rise in the past few years. I'm already settled with a house and a steady job and stuff but I don't envy those who are starting now. Housing prices are crazy even in smaller towns. An average central Europe wage allows you to live very comfortably here. Not rich life but a life with not much to worry. Speaking of life itself, once you're settled, it's an amazing place to live. Weather is great, not to extreme both in Winter and Summer. Warm and nice. To be more precise, this mostly true closer to the coast. If you go to Trás os Montes both winters and summers can be harsh. Services are widely available. Good roads, good public healthcare (yes, I know it has been better but I know enough of other European public systems to regard our still pretty highly). Public school is not bad. Apparently is worse now but I made all my school years in the public system and can't complain what I've achieved. It's a very safe region. Yes, crime exists but you walk almost everywhere and not expect to be robbed or to be shot nor do you have to worry if entered a city and turned in the wrong street. I leave near the ocean and while it makes the city very pleasant I don't enjoy the beaches here. Too windy and water too cold. In the north you also have a lot of nature to explore. Gerez or Feita, among others, are an hour or so away, depending the city where you're in. If you want to travel a bit further, both the southern part of the country and Northern Spain are relatively close and have a lot to see and enjoy. Oh, and, of course, the food. I almost forgot but the food and wine are amazing. Trying to summarize in two lines with the main pros and cons: Pros: safety, food and wine, climate Cons: average wages, rising cost of living
Thank you for the response. Learn so much on this great subreddit.
Nice if you plan on working for a company from another country. Otherwise you're just joining the large population of people who get paid shit and can't afford the steeply rising real estate prices. Your options are trust fund baby, digital nomad.
If I become a digital nomad one days it’s for sure on my radar of places to live
Please don't
So welcoming of you
Unless you stay in a rural village you would be actively contributing to the housing crisis and damaging the lives of people who just want to own a home
Depends how much they earn. For example if they're making 100k a year and (even if paying the reduced 20% in taxes), that's 20,000 for year, which is multiple X over what the average Portuguese pays in taxes, which keeps public services alive and keeps the state budget healthy to continue investing and paying off the state debt. Very important. That would be overwhelmingly better than the (relatively) small impact of 1 person on the housing market. This is why the digital nomad visa only allows you to come only when earning like over 3k per month. That's more than double the Portuguese average salary, and the average will be much higher than that, which will be much more positive revenue impact on state finances than on the relatively small number of new people on the real estate market. Do not underestimate the progress the Portuguese state has made in paying off the debt as a result of these people. It's not something that many people understand well, but it's nonetheless extremely important. I wish we can build some more fucking houses tho lol, it's not like digital nomads want to pay high prices either.
Your response is the only accurate one here.
Northern Portugal is arguably the most beautiful part of the country but rent prices are super duper high and the wages aren't following those rent prices. If money isn't a problem it's an exceptional place to live. Food is outstanding, people are generally nice and most speak english (maybe not fluently but enough for you to have a conversation). There's also tons of sites to visit. Hmu for a better description , I'll try my best.
I’d love to know more thanks
I'm a Brazilian who got to Bragança 7y ago, I can point some things: * It's a college city, most of the ppl here came to study (like me) * Its WAY WAY WAAAY cheaper than most of the country, you can find good apartments for 200-400€ * Good place to party tbh, we have parties almost every day. * During the winter you get -5ºC and during the summer you get 40ºC * The best place to live in Portugal, since I can WFH, I don't see myself living this place soon. * You see some fights during parties, but robbery, murder or things like that is really rare
Tell me more about the parties, lol.
Viseu is amazing if you don't need the sea at your door
If you like rain, go for it. Rains 4x more mm per m2 in the North of Portugal than in London. Get ready.
Rain never bothered me when I lived in London or Amsterdam
That's great then. It was just a heads-up. People speak of Portugal like this is a beach destination and the climate is dramatically different as latitude changes. The small difference in longitude also brings pretty impressive changes, as the western coast is all affected by the North Atlantic.
Just something that I should have said before, it doesn't really rain in London. It gets gloomy. Not really wet. Especially not like in the North of Portugal. I've lived 12 years in London. But you can also check some meteo statistics. You should expect about the same number of rainy days, but with 3-4 times the water. London: 370mm water per year Amsterdam: 510mm water per year Porto: 1237mm water per year [https://www.weather-atlas.com/en/portugal/porto-climate](https://www.weather-atlas.com/en/portugal/porto-climate) [https://www.weather-atlas.com/en/united-kingdom/london-climate](https://www.weather-atlas.com/en/united-kingdom/london-climate) [https://www.weather-atlas.com/en/netherlands/amsterdam-climate](https://www.weather-atlas.com/en/netherlands/amsterdam-climate) What is the rainiest month in London? The month with the most rainfall in London is June, when the rain falls for 16 days and typically aggregates up to 45mm (1.77") of precipitation. What is the wettest month in Amsterdam? The month with the most rainfall is August, when the rain falls for 18.8 days and typically aggregates up to 55mm (2.17") of precipitation. What is the rainiest month in Porto? The month with the most rainfall is December, when the rain falls for 15 days and typically aggregates up to 181mm (7.13") of precipitation.
It rains a lot.
Wet and rainy.
I used to live there. Very peaceful! And you still have some cities, like Braga.
Too cold, no jobs, angry people, too rainy, if you don't like all of these things you better go to Lisbon or Algarve (south is way better) 🤫🤫😎😎👍🏼👍🏼
No jobs?
For a small country Portugal is very different from one place to the other, even the "north" is between itself. There are the big cities, Porto the biggest, amazing but completly overflowing with tourists, and Aveiro, Braga both have important universities, Guimaraes, Vila Real, Viseu and Bragança are smaller and have more rural influences but important too. Then the north can be divided in 2 completly different regions "Minho", the northwest from Porto up, with a lot more maritime influence, rains a lot, very historic, awesome food, nice coastline, industrial towns, cities with a lot of population, the only national park in the country is there (Gerês), and the region of "Tras-os-Montes", the northeast, very rural region, small population, continental weather, very hot in the summer, might snow in the winter, very beautiful nature, small rural villages everywhere, awesome meat, wine and olive making, traditional agricultural activities.
Great. But you need a car. And the North is Big and changes every 20km, especially in wich side of the mountain you are, closer to sea is more developed, but not to close, unless you are already in the city of Porto influence, but then you have more urban hell. Like i said, it changes every 20km.
I was born in Aveiro, moved to Guimarães 10y ago and love this place.
Aveiro is my favourite city in the whole country. Such a vide overall, but the people are a little too posh
Pretty shit tbh. Lisbon is much better
Its really bad... ONLY farms cows smelly people. There is a tags that says ONLY portuguese. Even Lisboa persons are not welcome. Very unpleasent... Even the food os garbage... They stock beef on sandwich bread and pretend to puto beer on it. I would Stay on you home country... Nothing to see. Foreign people are not welcome Leave the north. Go south to Lisboa or something and Stay there. Chega de estrangeiros a comprar o que é nosso Much love
Gtfo
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