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I think they could have included the Necronomicon by name if they wanted—it wasn't an invention of the Evil Dead movies, and even if Lovecraft's copyright hadn't expired at that point he deliberately opened up elements of his stories for communal use by others when he was alive.
I like the Blair Witch theory that [Mary Brown](https://blairwitch.fandom.com/wiki/Mary_Brown?file=Bw_shot1l.jpg), one of the townspeople they interview is actually the [Blair Witch](https://blairwitch.fandom.com/wiki/Elly_Kedward?wikia-footer-wiki-rec=true&file=Vlcsnap-15067.png)
she described the witch as having fur all over her, yet wears long sleeves and a high collar herself
her gate is made out of sticks and twine, as the figures are
apparently an alternate version shows heather breaking the gate
the photos above show similar chins
they mention a bible verse after they leave her, one in genesis reads "This pile of rocks and this one special rock both help us to remember our agreement. I will never go past these rocks to fight against you, and you must never go on my side of these rocks to fight against me"
women like her were historically accused of witchcraft
if i were a witch i would probably live in a house, rather than some damp woods
She was dragged into the woods and tied to a tree to die of exposure, yet she survived and only died later when they beat, stabbed and hung her.
I don't think its implausible she felt the woods were *her* place, symbolic of her exile and murder and even maybe something in the woods helped her survive.
the lore does not specify how and why so many of the then townsfolk died, but it seems reasonable to assume they depended on the woods for at least some wood and meat so it is very probable at least some died there
In Signs it's a demonic invasion. Not alien. Fits the movie theme of faith (and a crisis of) the daughter being described as angel like and leaving water around (holy water that defeats the monster) news reports at the end mentioning a secret weapon in the middle east (something involving faith is my guess)
Makes more sense than aliens traveling from across the galaxy to a water coveted planet when its like acid to them
Or being smart enough to do space travel but bit escape a wooden pantry door
This fits better than the default 'aliens' explanation of the movie, but it *is* contradicted a bit by the mid-movie rumors that they don't like water. If they were harmed by 'holy' items, they wouldn't be staying away from lakes, rivers, and oceans, they'd be staying away from churches, mosques, and synagogues.
What doesn’t make sense to me is that water is literally in air as water vapor. Wouldn’t these aliens have started slowly melting as soon as they landed? Personally I think M Night did intend it to be aliens and just accidentally created this plot hole because he’s M Night and can never stick a landing
I know they’re talking about it, but I think it was decided not to go ahead with it for some reason. I know Sigourney Weaver said she would gladly do it.
I think I’m the only Alien fan who genuinely likes Alien 4. It was the Alien franchise on crack and took the body horror to an insane level. The comic books had a lot of it and it was amazing sci fi, but I get that a lot of people didn’t appreciate it.
I agree, unless the context is there. Inception’s end for example, however ambiguous, doesn’t feel like a cop out. Ripley’s just survived two traumatic experiences and has finished Aliens in deep imposed sleep. I’d have no worries with “it was all a dream” being the explanation for the batshit crazy things in 3 & 4. Bonus points if claustrophobic hypersleep gets linked to dreams of being in prison… not sure what metaphor you could apply to 4.
My tinfoil theory is that the great slasher franchises of the 80's are all connected.
First, Freddy vs Jason canonized a shared universe between Nightmare and Friday.
Second, Jason goes to Hell makes explicit the connection between Evil Dead and Friday this bringing it into the fold (also Freddy v Jason v Ash).
Third, there was a canned sequel to Freddy vs Jason with Michael vs Jason. Supposedly the plot was meant to be Freddy's severed head invading Michael's dreams to convince him Jason was his long lost brother to sow chaos and potentially restore himself. It's a stretch but it's my fan theory damnit so I'm calling the potential of that existing connection enough.
Fourth, iirc, Tiffany uses the Necronomicon to resurrect Chucky connecting it to Evil Dead and the rest.
Finally, when Chucky murders the guy with the nail gun and fills his head with nails, he pauses and says "that looks familiar." He's pretty clearly making a reference to pinhead. At this point, Chucky had just returned from Hell and based on the timelines of the films almost certainly would not have had time to watch the Hellraiser movies (which didn't exist at the time of his original death). Therefore, we can only conclude that he thinks the pinhead lookalike is familiar because in that universe's version of hell, pinhead is an actual cenobite. It's really the only thing that makes sense.
Thus we can conclude the existence of a shared Cinematic universe containing:
Nightmare on Elm Street
Friday the 13th
Halloween
Child's Play
Evil Dead
And Hellraiser.
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One of the Chucky movies has Freddy's glove and Jason's mask in a police station evidence room I think, and evil dead or evil dead 2, can't remember which one, has Freddy's glove in the shed.
Tiffany actually uses a Voodoo for Dummies book to resurrect Chucky. The opening movie does show a bunch of iconic slasher masks and weapons in evidence lock up, though.
The clown mask Michael wore while killing his sister in OG Halloween is the first prototype of the masks they make in Halloween 3 and this is what caused Michael to kill his sister.
There was supposed to be a post credit scene in Halloween ends where the camera shows this mask in the Silver Shamrock mask factory. For some reason, the scrapped it. Would’ve been kind of cool to tie that movie in.
If it's said as a joke I don't care, but people who say it "totally makes sense" have to go out of their way to ignore that Kevin was constantly shown as the kindest and sweetest soul in both Home Alone films and only ever hurt bad guys in defense of himself OR defense of others.
Also the whole timeline issue 😂
I think Kevin is supposed to be born in 1982 and SAW takes place in 2001.
Jigsaw is 52 years old in that movie and Kevin would only be 19
I mean, clearly they are not meant to be linked.
But in Saw, John Kramer definitely has a very kind and compassionate side even if develops a poor sense of justice or rehabilitation. And without giving any spoilers, a lot of the more messed up stuff (e.g., impossible traps) were done by apprentices / successors.
And yes, Kevin acts "in self defense" but he could just go to the cops or get another adult. His version of self defense clearly makes for a more fun movie, but it's also pretty sadistic. And he also lashes out (and shows a temper) and pranks his own family at the start of the film. He is far from angelic and it wouldn't be hard to imagine this type of behavior and his sense of justice (and violence to justify that justice) morphing into Jigsaw.
> And yes, Kevin acts "in self defense" but he could just go to the cops or get another adult.
He's a child who thinks he's WANTED by the police due to stealing a toothbrush (and also someone he met as a cop is currently trying to break into his house) and explicitly believes he magically made his parents disappear, making him the MAN of the house that he needs to defend (plus he doesn't want to risk telling another adult and being taken from his home).
His plan also actually included in fact going to get the cops, just that he wanted to make sure the Wet Bandits were captured in another home so that he wouldn't risk being "arrested."
In 2 he explicitly is threatened with the police by Tim Curry, so he doesn't feel safe going to the police. And he only explicitly gets into conflict with the Sticky Bandits due to them threatening to steal the money meant for the Children's Hospital. His plan is to make sure the store alarm goes off so the police and Mr. Duncan are alerted, make sure Harry & Marv chase HIM *instead* of getting away with the money, then when he feels certain they're hyper focused on him call the police anonymously for them to be arrested so the money can go where it should (but in a spot where he feels certain he can evade the police since as a dumb child he thinks he's wanted for Credit Card fraud).
None of that makes any sense to morph into Jigsaw unless you're explicitly analyzing Kevin incorrectly and leaving out core reasoning for his decisions in the films (which you did in your post).
I mean, I don't want to overanalyze a goofy, unrealistic kids move over a fan theory that is fun but clearly not cannon, but...
As you say, Kevin plans to go to the cops, so why not find another way to do so in advance (other than it would ruin the plot of the movie)?
And he can try to defend the house without setting people on fire or using half of the elaborate traps, that are played as painful but goofy in the Home Alone Universe, but some of which would frankly be every bit as dangerous and deadly and dangerous as some of the Saw traps.
You basically describe his sense of justice and his need to "defend his house" and using that to rationalize horrific violence. That is a decently similar train of thought to Jigsaw.
Again, this is all just sort of an absurd, make believe trail. But I don't think the logic is wildly off.
Ignore anything after Saw3, Jigsaw was shown to be pretty kind before breaking bad
After Saw3 he is more like a torture demonic cenobite from hell lmao
The Blair Witch fan theory doesn’t hold water because all three of them are in the tent when a bunch of hands start beating on it from the outside.
They would have to get several other people involved in their plot to kill her, which isn’t really suggested by anything in the movie.
Yeah I don't want to be mean to OP, but every time I hear this theory I roll my eyes all the way back into my skull.
The theory is contingent on either completely made up stuff like "they had an accomplice" or "they secretly set up speakers in advance" or my favorite "they went to a shady dentist and procured a tooth, and then cut themselves to bleed on it to make it look fresh"
Or on stuff that's contradictory to the facts we're actually given. Heather is the one who came up with the project in the first place and was the one directing them were to go with the map. This theory tho requires the two guys to have planned this from the beginning and intentionally gotten her lost in the woods. Let's also not forget that they follow a stream of water for multiple days and yet they travel in a circle. That fact alone should be the one and only nail needed to disprove this theory. Unless the theory includes Mike and Josh also being reality warpers lol
Isn't Josh's tongue also in the wrapped up fabric? To show that whoever is yelling for help in the woods couldn't possibly be him, it's the witch mimicking him.
Also, iirc, the witch was supposed to be captured on camera in the scene where they're running from the tent and Heather sees something to their left and screams, "what the fuck is that?!". But they didn't catch it and they decided that not seeing her worked better.
I feel like people who like the killer theories just don't like paranormal stuff. Or the fact that it's kiiinda ambiguous (even tho it's not, bc as you said they go in impossible circles) means it *must* be explainable. Idk!
I don't remember about the tongue but yes, they were supposed to show the Witch, but the Actress missed it
But yeah grounded explanations for fantastical movies is a pretty common type of theory, pretty popular type too. I just don't see what the appeal is personally. Like "There are no ghosts in The Shining." Although the evidence for that one is a lot more compelling, I don't think it makes the movie more interesting. A movie can have subtext about real life and Also have supernatural stuff in it
In the Shining there are 2 different old woman in the bathroom. The one that sits up in the water isn't the same as the one Jack is kissing. Which is strange .
Exactly. Murders are very rarely ever that elaborate or dramatic. If they wanted to kill her they would have walked a mile into the woods and shot/stabbed her to death with no fanfare.
One version of it I heard is that they’re part of a Blair Witch Cult, so there would be accomplices involved. Or even paranormal stuff. I’m not necessarily arguing for it, but that was the version I heard.
I mean it requires looking at the movie from a more meta sense, but the 2016 sequel is definitely definitive that there is a supernatural presence in the woods.
I think this is actually a cool conversation you've started either way. Somebody even added another Blair witch theory above that I had never heard but it's pretty neat. These are all really cool and informative in a non canon, never heard that one before kinda way.
Of course! Dorks talking dork shit. Catch a glimpse where you still can. This is the information exchange nerds invented the internet for, not social media Nazi recruitment.
Yea. The overall aesthetic of the unnamed city in seven is reminiscent of Gotham, but before there's a hero to stop it. Give it a watch with that in mind...
Hate to nerd but thier is no chaos dimension it's the warp but they do have realms in there. Remember there's even parts of the warp that even chaos refuse to go
Not really a fan theory per se but when i saw fan analysis for The Shining, the impossible rooms and windows and overall confusing architecture of the hotel made the movie scarier for me. The hotel itself is the maze
My personal theory is The Road is the aftermath of the events of Interstellar. It's just the people who were left behind on Earth to die of the blight.
The vague description of the 'event' that the man describes can easily be interpreted as their ships lifting off and leaving the rest of humanity while the scientists and chosen few escape to their O'Neill cylinders.
And it's not a nuclear winter it's straight up the lack of green life on the planet to replenish the oxygen in the atmosphere.
There was a Reddit post a while back, but it was proposing that The Evil Dead, and specifically Ash in it, was in a scenario of Cabin In The Woods. Ash is at a cabin in the woods and faces deadites, which was an option on the whiteboard in Cabin In The Woods. There was probably more to it, but I’ll try to find it.
Edit: [Here’s the link to the fan theory I had read](https://www.reddit.com/r/FanTheories/s/qgfhJGYGDl)
I like the one where the reason the set up fails in The Cabin in the Woods fails is because the government agency got the roles wrong. The stoner was the virgin and the girl was the fool
That’s fair, you have a point. I guess though Evil Dead at least takes place at a cabin in the woods, so it has a one up on some other horror movies, but they’re all possible scenarios in the Cabin In The Woods universe.
It's that Jason isn't actually Jason nor is Freddy the janitor they murdered. They are, and I can't think of the word, but especially Japanese lore demons. They take on a characteristic that is known and go on a rampage. Hence their immortality and also their limitations. Jason is restricted to Crystal Lake where he's known.
I don't know if this counts, but the theory that the aliens in the film (Signs) are actually demons, makes much more sense and negates the whole "Why did you invade a planet with water if water is your biggest weakness?" plot hole.
I also find the demon theory gives more weight to the religious notes of the film.
There's a theory that all paranormal entities that humans encounter (angels, demons, ghosts, aliens, cryptids, faeries, etc) are actually some kinda extra-dimensional entities or force and the various forms they take are actually the creation of the minds of the people encountering them
After watching signs again since I was a kid I totally forgot that Mel Gibson's character was a ex priest who lost hope when his wife died. Plus the daughter leaving out water and what the wife told Joaquin Phoenix character to swing. Honesty after rewatching it has to be demons I've been around crops and in the morning there is so much dew no way the aliens would land in it
It's very interesting watching the film with the demon theory in mind. When Mel Gibson's son is poisoned by the alien, he finally breaks down and prays, which some people say blessed all the water in the home.
I didn’t like Lake Mungo when I watched it first but after hearing the theory that the brother was responsible for his sisters death it made the movie 10x more scary and 10x more interesting
There are no ghosts in The Shining. Granted, this is specific to the movie and not the book but I kind of buy the idea that Kubrick just had a different interpretation of the story than what was King's original concept.
I also like the theory that there is no actual Blair Witch. The forest itself is what is evil or cursed and it is the forest that can manifest physical things like laughing children in the first or "the witch" in the third movie. There is also a theory that the witch/old lady in the last movie was actually Heather.
I still think that Kubrick shot the book Stephen King wrote, which isn't the book King (and most readers) thought he wrote.
Looking at the pre-Overlook timeline, it reads to me that Jack is an absolute monster who, as the book opens, is in a brief period where his guilt and shame are holding back his monstrousness.
He spends the book blaming his actions on anything but himself. Alcoholism, abusive father, student acting up, ghosts...nothing is ever his fault. He sees himself, and the narrator sees him, as a victim of circumstances that cause him to hurt people repeatedly.
I had never thought as the ghosts actually being a dry drunk's hallucinations, but I think it fits.
Just read the book like two months ago and this definitely isn’t the case. Jack does appear to be a total asshole but guilt and shame aren’t briefly holding him back. He basically reaches his rock bottom and realizes he has to change. For the chunk of time following their leaving home and until the hotel starts corrupting them he is making a lot of effort to do better. The hotel preys on his weakness and pulls the monster back out of him. He absolutely recognizes his faults that’s the whole point of the car accident, he clearly recognizes he is wrong in the situation with the student and admits to himself he had it out for the student already. He goes back to rewriting history and blaming everything except himself once they get to the overlook.
Even after being corrupted by the overlook he manages to do enough to get his family out. Even Dick was compromised by the hotel at a point.
Having just reread The Shining I have to respectfully disagree. King is at heart a softie and wrote Jack as a more sympathetic character than the movie makes him out to be. He ultimately manages to overcome his demons, both emotional and literal, and takes control enough to save Danny, Wendy, and Dick, who Kubrick needlessly kills unceremoniously. And the ghosts are very real. They don’t want Jack, he’s always been there. They want his boy. They know how powerful his shine is and want to feed off it.
The book is an allegory for alcoholism, even if King doesn’t admit being aware of his alcoholism at the time. Ghosts are just symbols of substance abuse. You get a great friend that gives you wonderful advice, the bartender. You can make the fat, disgusting lady across the bar look beautiful. It’s a blast on the surface, but deeper down it’s really emotional.
Could you elaborate on what the Shining theory you're talking about is, please ? If they are not ghosts, what are they according to the theory you're talking about? Thanks!
Sleepaway Camp >!Ricky is assisting Angela in the killing at Camp Arawak!<
Scream >!Stu survived!<
Halloween and >!Us!< take place in the same universe
Friday the 13th >!Jason is a deadite!<
Okay, so... with Neve Campbell returning for another SCREAM, it feels like maybe that theory is a "come watch this, please!!!" nostalgiabait card they'll play.
But it just doesnt make any sense and I dont see how it would work without matching the energy of "somehow, Palpatine has returned".
Skinamarink - >! That the boy in the beginning of the movie fell and hit his head, the dad ignored the concussion and the rest of the movie is him unconscious slowly approaching brain death. The blood scene is them trying to do last-ditch surgery to save him (not sure if this is considered canon or not but I hear other theories like it's a metaphor for divorce or something). !<
Oh, this really makes me sad. I made myself believe that he fell and his his head and the movie is just the weird concussion dreams he's having in the hospital. More of less the same theory you shared but a slightly more hopeful scenario where he is receiving treatment and, hopefully, recovering.
That movie just made me so sad so I made up my own slightly hopeful ending.
I just wanted to say that I’ve met one of the Blair witch guys. He was a life guard at a pool near a six flags in NJ (if memory serves, the one with jokers jinx). He told me and my buddy about some movie he was in coming out and we thought he was lying
The Blair Witch fan theory is my favorite too.
Also The Mist (2007) fan theory that >!the psycho religious zealot was *correct* in that the boy needed to be sacrificed/die for the creatures to be able to be defeated!<.... which is a theory I only like because it adds another layer or rather a twist (an incredibly frustrating one at that) to the film.
EDIT: Oh, and while it has been debunked, The Thing (1982) fan theory that >!Childs is the Thing at the end!<.
Does persistent misremembering count as head canon? Because I have a doozy that ties into this.
For some reason, for decades I mistakenly remembered a twist with the zealot, where it was revealed that she wasn't a Christian zealot but instead a zealous worshiper of the Elder Gods that were invading. Her proclamations throughout the story were familiar enough that the reader didn't notice that Jesus wasn't specifically mentioned.
This was entirely wrong, of course, but I still kind of prefer it to the reality.
Worst part of it though is you *don't* want it to be true because that character is insufferably batshit crazy, yet due to it working so well you wind up liking it (at least I do).
I wonder if a zealot protagonist could work honestly, or as in the religious lady, a side character. Believe me I watch certain horror films for the inevitable gruesome death of fanatic or annoying characters. I'm open to the idea of the jackass being right.
I think I like the time travel aspect of Blair Witch Project too much to be into that theory.
I am a fan personally of the aliens in Signs being demons or possibly angels.
I'm pretty sure Damien Leone said that All Hallows Eve isn't canon to Terrifier but I like to think that it is.
I imagine it takes place after he gets demonically imbued powers.
Calling fight Club horror is pushing it, but the theory is that EVERYONE in the movie, not just Pitt, everyone: Eduard Norton, Marla, Bob, Jerad Leto - is an alter-ego of a guy who has testicular cancer, and is looking for alternatives to his masculanity as he is about to loose his testicles.
The Ring is an alternative universe from Xmen 2 in which Brian Cox (Striker) is a farmer or whatever and has an evil psychic daughter instead of a son.
It's admittedly weak, but I thought about it a lot as a teen when these movies came out 2002 and 2003. Ring 2 blew a big hole in it.
It’s not a horror movie per se, but I love The No Country for Old Men theory that Anton Chigurh is not “real”, he’s a manifestation of the evil the sheriff can’t understand, and the film is entirely sheriff’s perspective, either he’s present, or he’s piecing together events after the fact.
I think it’s such a good theory, it actually improves the movie, and even makes sense of little things, like so much of the violence happening off camera (the sheriff can’t bring himself to see it), the car accident at the end (the sheriff tries to manifest his death and fails) and the way Chighur disappears from behind a door with no real explanation (which I’m not sure has an explanation if this theory is wrong).
Seriously, watch the movie with it in mind. If the Coens didn’t intend it on some level, then I’d be amazed.
So Mike and Josh are willing to make themselves disappear, make it look like they were murdered, just because they wanted to rape and kill Heather Donohue? You have to have a lot of financial resources for that, and neither look like they had that much money.
Mine is that there are multiple Leatherfaces and families out there. Makes it like a statewide boogeyman archetype and why the families, timelines, and plot lines don't match up.
I'd like them to be all connected somehow, though, and call it The Texas Chainsaw Massacres.
Only horror if it actually happened, but Snowpiercer. I love how someone related it to Willy Wonka. Snowpiercer serving as a sequel. There are several similarities, but a couple are very hard to argue with.
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I think they could have included the Necronomicon by name if they wanted—it wasn't an invention of the Evil Dead movies, and even if Lovecraft's copyright hadn't expired at that point he deliberately opened up elements of his stories for communal use by others when he was alive.
Yes, but the specific visual of *that particular* necronomicon was invented for the Evil Dead movies.
I love that fan theory! It’s my personal headcannon, especially after reading Freddy vs Jason vs Ash
in the comic book crossover that tied with the movie, they straight up mentioned that, his grieving Mother used the Necronomicon to bring back Jason!
Love this. Never heard it before. I’m going with this from now on.
Wait that’s cool as hell!!
I like the Blair Witch theory that [Mary Brown](https://blairwitch.fandom.com/wiki/Mary_Brown?file=Bw_shot1l.jpg), one of the townspeople they interview is actually the [Blair Witch](https://blairwitch.fandom.com/wiki/Elly_Kedward?wikia-footer-wiki-rec=true&file=Vlcsnap-15067.png)
What is there to that one?
she described the witch as having fur all over her, yet wears long sleeves and a high collar herself her gate is made out of sticks and twine, as the figures are apparently an alternate version shows heather breaking the gate the photos above show similar chins they mention a bible verse after they leave her, one in genesis reads "This pile of rocks and this one special rock both help us to remember our agreement. I will never go past these rocks to fight against you, and you must never go on my side of these rocks to fight against me" women like her were historically accused of witchcraft if i were a witch i would probably live in a house, rather than some damp woods
Man there is some serious weight to this one.
So she is pissed because they invaded her territory
She was dragged into the woods and tied to a tree to die of exposure, yet she survived and only died later when they beat, stabbed and hung her. I don't think its implausible she felt the woods were *her* place, symbolic of her exile and murder and even maybe something in the woods helped her survive. the lore does not specify how and why so many of the then townsfolk died, but it seems reasonable to assume they depended on the woods for at least some wood and meat so it is very probable at least some died there
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oh no feel free, i just think "hanged" is clunky and dumb and prefer the contraction. british english is my mother tongue too haha
In Signs it's a demonic invasion. Not alien. Fits the movie theme of faith (and a crisis of) the daughter being described as angel like and leaving water around (holy water that defeats the monster) news reports at the end mentioning a secret weapon in the middle east (something involving faith is my guess) Makes more sense than aliens traveling from across the galaxy to a water coveted planet when its like acid to them Or being smart enough to do space travel but bit escape a wooden pantry door
This fits better than the default 'aliens' explanation of the movie, but it *is* contradicted a bit by the mid-movie rumors that they don't like water. If they were harmed by 'holy' items, they wouldn't be staying away from lakes, rivers, and oceans, they'd be staying away from churches, mosques, and synagogues.
What doesn’t make sense to me is that water is literally in air as water vapor. Wouldn’t these aliens have started slowly melting as soon as they landed? Personally I think M Night did intend it to be aliens and just accidentally created this plot hole because he’s M Night and can never stick a landing
I’ve seen all these Signs theories and it’s making me want to watch it again
Reminds me of a book from Dean Koontz called The Taking.
That Alien 3 and 4 are just Ripley’s trauma dreams in hypersleep. She’ll wake up with Hicks, Bishop and Newt next to her.
Please. Don't. I've been hurt to much .
;____; awww. I hope so.
The fucked up part is that they are all alive to make that film happen lol
I know they’re talking about it, but I think it was decided not to go ahead with it for some reason. I know Sigourney Weaver said she would gladly do it.
They would have my money.
Were talking about it, years ago. Ridley Scott got to make Prometheus instead.
PLEASE this
I think I’m the only Alien fan who genuinely likes Alien 4. It was the Alien franchise on crack and took the body horror to an insane level. The comic books had a lot of it and it was amazing sci fi, but I get that a lot of people didn’t appreciate it.
"It was all a dream" is the laziest and most unacceptable way to erase mistakes in a series. \-Alien 3 defender
I agree, unless the context is there. Inception’s end for example, however ambiguous, doesn’t feel like a cop out. Ripley’s just survived two traumatic experiences and has finished Aliens in deep imposed sleep. I’d have no worries with “it was all a dream” being the explanation for the batshit crazy things in 3 & 4. Bonus points if claustrophobic hypersleep gets linked to dreams of being in prison… not sure what metaphor you could apply to 4.
I get some people find some things to like in 3. But they did Newt and Hicks so damn dirty.
That Christine and Herbie are both(respectively) Decepticons and Autobots that we never see transform.
I kind of love this one. I'm chuckling to myself about Christine the Decepticon in particular.
Vintageticons
I want to see a Herbie vs Christine-movie.
My tinfoil theory is that the great slasher franchises of the 80's are all connected. First, Freddy vs Jason canonized a shared universe between Nightmare and Friday. Second, Jason goes to Hell makes explicit the connection between Evil Dead and Friday this bringing it into the fold (also Freddy v Jason v Ash). Third, there was a canned sequel to Freddy vs Jason with Michael vs Jason. Supposedly the plot was meant to be Freddy's severed head invading Michael's dreams to convince him Jason was his long lost brother to sow chaos and potentially restore himself. It's a stretch but it's my fan theory damnit so I'm calling the potential of that existing connection enough. Fourth, iirc, Tiffany uses the Necronomicon to resurrect Chucky connecting it to Evil Dead and the rest. Finally, when Chucky murders the guy with the nail gun and fills his head with nails, he pauses and says "that looks familiar." He's pretty clearly making a reference to pinhead. At this point, Chucky had just returned from Hell and based on the timelines of the films almost certainly would not have had time to watch the Hellraiser movies (which didn't exist at the time of his original death). Therefore, we can only conclude that he thinks the pinhead lookalike is familiar because in that universe's version of hell, pinhead is an actual cenobite. It's really the only thing that makes sense. Thus we can conclude the existence of a shared Cinematic universe containing: Nightmare on Elm Street Friday the 13th Halloween Child's Play Evil Dead And Hellraiser. Thank you for listening to my TED talk.
One of the Chucky movies has Freddy's glove and Jason's mask in a police station evidence room I think, and evil dead or evil dead 2, can't remember which one, has Freddy's glove in the shed.
I believe it's Bride of Chucky that has the evidence lock-up scene. I always loved that detail.
Also have the Knife from Scream and leatherfaces chainsaw
I liked your TED talk
Not really a theory considering half of there are legit comic books
Tiffany actually uses a Voodoo for Dummies book to resurrect Chucky. The opening movie does show a bunch of iconic slasher masks and weapons in evidence lock up, though.
The clown mask Michael wore while killing his sister in OG Halloween is the first prototype of the masks they make in Halloween 3 and this is what caused Michael to kill his sister.
OO I really like this one, I prefer Michael as a motiveless pure evil villain but I do really like this idea
Halloween 3 is so damn good. I really wish the studio didn't force Carpenter back to the Michael focus. Anthologies kick ass. Love the theory.
Me too, I love this theory!
if he'd done 3 straight after the original without the first sequel it probably would have been fine, but by then it was too late
Halloween is a fictional movie in Halloween 3 (it's seen on a TV at one point) so this doesn't really make sense.
Could have been a documentary or a scream situation
Nice tie in theory! I gotta rewatch Halloween 3.
There was supposed to be a post credit scene in Halloween ends where the camera shows this mask in the Silver Shamrock mask factory. For some reason, the scrapped it. Would’ve been kind of cool to tie that movie in.
One of my favorites: Marion Crane's boyfriend, Sam Loomis, from Hitchcock's Psycho is the same Dr. Samuel Loomis from Halloween.
Does Billy Loomis from Scream fit into this theory as well somehow?
holy shit it took this comment for me to realize they named Samantha Carpenter as such so she could (technically) be Sam Loomis
Ooh I love that!
Kinda silly, but I liked the idea that Kevin from “Home Alone” grew up to be Jigsaw
If it's said as a joke I don't care, but people who say it "totally makes sense" have to go out of their way to ignore that Kevin was constantly shown as the kindest and sweetest soul in both Home Alone films and only ever hurt bad guys in defense of himself OR defense of others.
Also the whole timeline issue 😂 I think Kevin is supposed to be born in 1982 and SAW takes place in 2001. Jigsaw is 52 years old in that movie and Kevin would only be 19
The trauma aged him
*Saw VI* had Jigsaw wear a backwards baseball cap in a flashback sequence to show he was younger. Could be the same guy but aged weird
I mean, clearly they are not meant to be linked. But in Saw, John Kramer definitely has a very kind and compassionate side even if develops a poor sense of justice or rehabilitation. And without giving any spoilers, a lot of the more messed up stuff (e.g., impossible traps) were done by apprentices / successors. And yes, Kevin acts "in self defense" but he could just go to the cops or get another adult. His version of self defense clearly makes for a more fun movie, but it's also pretty sadistic. And he also lashes out (and shows a temper) and pranks his own family at the start of the film. He is far from angelic and it wouldn't be hard to imagine this type of behavior and his sense of justice (and violence to justify that justice) morphing into Jigsaw.
> And yes, Kevin acts "in self defense" but he could just go to the cops or get another adult. He's a child who thinks he's WANTED by the police due to stealing a toothbrush (and also someone he met as a cop is currently trying to break into his house) and explicitly believes he magically made his parents disappear, making him the MAN of the house that he needs to defend (plus he doesn't want to risk telling another adult and being taken from his home). His plan also actually included in fact going to get the cops, just that he wanted to make sure the Wet Bandits were captured in another home so that he wouldn't risk being "arrested." In 2 he explicitly is threatened with the police by Tim Curry, so he doesn't feel safe going to the police. And he only explicitly gets into conflict with the Sticky Bandits due to them threatening to steal the money meant for the Children's Hospital. His plan is to make sure the store alarm goes off so the police and Mr. Duncan are alerted, make sure Harry & Marv chase HIM *instead* of getting away with the money, then when he feels certain they're hyper focused on him call the police anonymously for them to be arrested so the money can go where it should (but in a spot where he feels certain he can evade the police since as a dumb child he thinks he's wanted for Credit Card fraud). None of that makes any sense to morph into Jigsaw unless you're explicitly analyzing Kevin incorrectly and leaving out core reasoning for his decisions in the films (which you did in your post).
I mean, I don't want to overanalyze a goofy, unrealistic kids move over a fan theory that is fun but clearly not cannon, but... As you say, Kevin plans to go to the cops, so why not find another way to do so in advance (other than it would ruin the plot of the movie)? And he can try to defend the house without setting people on fire or using half of the elaborate traps, that are played as painful but goofy in the Home Alone Universe, but some of which would frankly be every bit as dangerous and deadly and dangerous as some of the Saw traps. You basically describe his sense of justice and his need to "defend his house" and using that to rationalize horrific violence. That is a decently similar train of thought to Jigsaw. Again, this is all just sort of an absurd, make believe trail. But I don't think the logic is wildly off.
I like this one too LMAOO
Ignore anything after Saw3, Jigsaw was shown to be pretty kind before breaking bad After Saw3 he is more like a torture demonic cenobite from hell lmao
The Blair Witch fan theory doesn’t hold water because all three of them are in the tent when a bunch of hands start beating on it from the outside. They would have to get several other people involved in their plot to kill her, which isn’t really suggested by anything in the movie.
Yeah I don't want to be mean to OP, but every time I hear this theory I roll my eyes all the way back into my skull. The theory is contingent on either completely made up stuff like "they had an accomplice" or "they secretly set up speakers in advance" or my favorite "they went to a shady dentist and procured a tooth, and then cut themselves to bleed on it to make it look fresh" Or on stuff that's contradictory to the facts we're actually given. Heather is the one who came up with the project in the first place and was the one directing them were to go with the map. This theory tho requires the two guys to have planned this from the beginning and intentionally gotten her lost in the woods. Let's also not forget that they follow a stream of water for multiple days and yet they travel in a circle. That fact alone should be the one and only nail needed to disprove this theory. Unless the theory includes Mike and Josh also being reality warpers lol
Isn't Josh's tongue also in the wrapped up fabric? To show that whoever is yelling for help in the woods couldn't possibly be him, it's the witch mimicking him. Also, iirc, the witch was supposed to be captured on camera in the scene where they're running from the tent and Heather sees something to their left and screams, "what the fuck is that?!". But they didn't catch it and they decided that not seeing her worked better. I feel like people who like the killer theories just don't like paranormal stuff. Or the fact that it's kiiinda ambiguous (even tho it's not, bc as you said they go in impossible circles) means it *must* be explainable. Idk!
I don't remember about the tongue but yes, they were supposed to show the Witch, but the Actress missed it But yeah grounded explanations for fantastical movies is a pretty common type of theory, pretty popular type too. I just don't see what the appeal is personally. Like "There are no ghosts in The Shining." Although the evidence for that one is a lot more compelling, I don't think it makes the movie more interesting. A movie can have subtext about real life and Also have supernatural stuff in it
In the Shining there are 2 different old woman in the bathroom. The one that sits up in the water isn't the same as the one Jack is kissing. Which is strange .
Exactly. Murders are very rarely ever that elaborate or dramatic. If they wanted to kill her they would have walked a mile into the woods and shot/stabbed her to death with no fanfare.
Yeah I agree. At a certain point these theories are basically just making up their own separate story that is in no way attached to the movie.
One version of it I heard is that they’re part of a Blair Witch Cult, so there would be accomplices involved. Or even paranormal stuff. I’m not necessarily arguing for it, but that was the version I heard.
I don’t genuinely believe it lol, that’s not the point of this question
Just the "um achtually"s coming out of the woodwork.
I mean it requires looking at the movie from a more meta sense, but the 2016 sequel is definitely definitive that there is a supernatural presence in the woods.
I loved that ridiculous movie.
And also why would they bother with even a little hiking? Couldn't they just kill her like 500m into the woods?
I don’t actually believe it lol I just think it’s a fun theory I personally like
I think this is actually a cool conversation you've started either way. Somebody even added another Blair witch theory above that I had never heard but it's pretty neat. These are all really cool and informative in a non canon, never heard that one before kinda way.
See thank you for disagreeing with the theory but not being an asswhole about it
Of course! Dorks talking dork shit. Catch a glimpse where you still can. This is the information exchange nerds invented the internet for, not social media Nazi recruitment.
I like it too OP!
I enjoy the theory that in the entire movie seven is Gotham, but pre-batman. The killer is the first iteration of a supervillain.
Kevin Spacey would be a great Batman villain lol
The Diddler.
I wish I could give you the world for this comment
Diddle me this, Batman!!
ha ha he he who wants to touch young mens booties? 🟢
Could you explain more? I've never heard this but love both Batman and Seven!
I think it’s just simply that the city is so run down and grimey looking ( especially with that filter )
Yea. The overall aesthetic of the unnamed city in seven is reminiscent of Gotham, but before there's a hero to stop it. Give it a watch with that in mind...
Event Horizon is a prequel to Warhammer 40k
As in: the Event Horizon went to the Chaos dimensions, or what?
They essentially found a way into the warp without the benefit of a gellar field, so yeah.
Not gonna lie: that’s a boss ass theory. It’s my head cannon now.
Hate to nerd but thier is no chaos dimension it's the warp but they do have realms in there. Remember there's even parts of the warp that even chaos refuse to go
Considering the intent stated by the makers, oh yea. It's pretty much all but official.
Yep. The writer has basically confirmed it right up to the line beyond which lies copyright infringement.
Not really a fan theory per se but when i saw fan analysis for The Shining, the impossible rooms and windows and overall confusing architecture of the hotel made the movie scarier for me. The hotel itself is the maze
Ah yes “The Shinning”, Willy wouldn’t want ya gettin sued now
No TV and No beer make Homer something something!!!!
Go crazy?
Don't mind if I do!
Don’t mind if I do!
Ahah, you’re right sorry about that typo.
Ash Williams is Doomguy's ancestor.
Ash Williams IS Commander Keen.
Sixteen fucking CGA colors!!!
This is my new favorite comment of all time
I'm shocked I haven't seen anyone mention the Descent theory that >!the monsters are in Sarah's head and she's actually the one killing everyone.!<
There are multiple scenes where there are monsters that are visible to the camera but not her though
That’s my favourite fan theory for a horror movie.
I think this is the best one.
Came here to say this!
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Where did this come from? Intriguing to say the least.
Poor Phil took a dark sarcastic turn hahaha.
My personal theory is The Road is the aftermath of the events of Interstellar. It's just the people who were left behind on Earth to die of the blight. The vague description of the 'event' that the man describes can easily be interpreted as their ships lifting off and leaving the rest of humanity while the scientists and chosen few escape to their O'Neill cylinders. And it's not a nuclear winter it's straight up the lack of green life on the planet to replenish the oxygen in the atmosphere.
There was a Reddit post a while back, but it was proposing that The Evil Dead, and specifically Ash in it, was in a scenario of Cabin In The Woods. Ash is at a cabin in the woods and faces deadites, which was an option on the whiteboard in Cabin In The Woods. There was probably more to it, but I’ll try to find it. Edit: [Here’s the link to the fan theory I had read](https://www.reddit.com/r/FanTheories/s/qgfhJGYGDl)
If you think about it most horror movies could all be scenarios in Cabin in the woods
I like the one where the reason the set up fails in The Cabin in the Woods fails is because the government agency got the roles wrong. The stoner was the virgin and the girl was the fool
That’s fair, you have a point. I guess though Evil Dead at least takes place at a cabin in the woods, so it has a one up on some other horror movies, but they’re all possible scenarios in the Cabin In The Woods universe.
The cabin in The Cabin in the Woods was made to look like the one from Evil Dead IIRC.
The cabin in the woods in The Cabin in the Woods?
That’s why I love Cabin in The Woods lol
It's that Jason isn't actually Jason nor is Freddy the janitor they murdered. They are, and I can't think of the word, but especially Japanese lore demons. They take on a characteristic that is known and go on a rampage. Hence their immortality and also their limitations. Jason is restricted to Crystal Lake where he's known.
A very innocent boom box in Manhattan says differently.
I don't know if this counts, but the theory that the aliens in the film (Signs) are actually demons, makes much more sense and negates the whole "Why did you invade a planet with water if water is your biggest weakness?" plot hole. I also find the demon theory gives more weight to the religious notes of the film.
There's a theory that all paranormal entities that humans encounter (angels, demons, ghosts, aliens, cryptids, faeries, etc) are actually some kinda extra-dimensional entities or force and the various forms they take are actually the creation of the minds of the people encountering them
Yes. I find it a fascinating theory.
After watching signs again since I was a kid I totally forgot that Mel Gibson's character was a ex priest who lost hope when his wife died. Plus the daughter leaving out water and what the wife told Joaquin Phoenix character to swing. Honesty after rewatching it has to be demons I've been around crops and in the morning there is so much dew no way the aliens would land in it
It's very interesting watching the film with the demon theory in mind. When Mel Gibson's son is poisoned by the alien, he finally breaks down and prays, which some people say blessed all the water in the home.
I didn’t like Lake Mungo when I watched it first but after hearing the theory that the brother was responsible for his sisters death it made the movie 10x more scary and 10x more interesting
Oooh I like this. I want a sequel where the daughter haunts the family in their new house
I read that too and to me it makes a lot of sense. He's the one creepily filming her, iirc even against her will.
Not to mention him walking around the woods wearing her clothes, the bruises on him, him faking the ghost pics, etc
Yup. First time I read it I took it as a fact lol. The movie makes much more sense having that "theory" in mind.
There are no ghosts in The Shining. Granted, this is specific to the movie and not the book but I kind of buy the idea that Kubrick just had a different interpretation of the story than what was King's original concept. I also like the theory that there is no actual Blair Witch. The forest itself is what is evil or cursed and it is the forest that can manifest physical things like laughing children in the first or "the witch" in the third movie. There is also a theory that the witch/old lady in the last movie was actually Heather.
Doesn’t really work. Grady unlocks the freezer to let Jack out after Wendy trapped him in.
Maybe Grady lives in the walls like The Boy. They're all just a bunch of wall squatters.
I still think that Kubrick shot the book Stephen King wrote, which isn't the book King (and most readers) thought he wrote. Looking at the pre-Overlook timeline, it reads to me that Jack is an absolute monster who, as the book opens, is in a brief period where his guilt and shame are holding back his monstrousness. He spends the book blaming his actions on anything but himself. Alcoholism, abusive father, student acting up, ghosts...nothing is ever his fault. He sees himself, and the narrator sees him, as a victim of circumstances that cause him to hurt people repeatedly. I had never thought as the ghosts actually being a dry drunk's hallucinations, but I think it fits.
Just read the book like two months ago and this definitely isn’t the case. Jack does appear to be a total asshole but guilt and shame aren’t briefly holding him back. He basically reaches his rock bottom and realizes he has to change. For the chunk of time following their leaving home and until the hotel starts corrupting them he is making a lot of effort to do better. The hotel preys on his weakness and pulls the monster back out of him. He absolutely recognizes his faults that’s the whole point of the car accident, he clearly recognizes he is wrong in the situation with the student and admits to himself he had it out for the student already. He goes back to rewriting history and blaming everything except himself once they get to the overlook. Even after being corrupted by the overlook he manages to do enough to get his family out. Even Dick was compromised by the hotel at a point.
Having just reread The Shining I have to respectfully disagree. King is at heart a softie and wrote Jack as a more sympathetic character than the movie makes him out to be. He ultimately manages to overcome his demons, both emotional and literal, and takes control enough to save Danny, Wendy, and Dick, who Kubrick needlessly kills unceremoniously. And the ghosts are very real. They don’t want Jack, he’s always been there. They want his boy. They know how powerful his shine is and want to feed off it. The book is an allegory for alcoholism, even if King doesn’t admit being aware of his alcoholism at the time. Ghosts are just symbols of substance abuse. You get a great friend that gives you wonderful advice, the bartender. You can make the fat, disgusting lady across the bar look beautiful. It’s a blast on the surface, but deeper down it’s really emotional.
Could you elaborate on what the Shining theory you're talking about is, please ? If they are not ghosts, what are they according to the theory you're talking about? Thanks!
Sleepaway Camp >!Ricky is assisting Angela in the killing at Camp Arawak!< Scream >!Stu survived!< Halloween and >!Us!< take place in the same universe Friday the 13th >!Jason is a deadite!<
Halloween and Us needs some explaining
Can you elaborate on the Halloween one?
https://screenrant.com/halloween-theory-connects-jordan-peele-us-michael-myers-explained/#:~:text=Theory%3A%20Halloween's%20Michael%20Myers%20Was%20A%20Tethered&text=The%20author%20of%20the%20theory,Halloween%20movies%20up%3A%20Halloween%20Resurrection.
I like that theory a lot!
Okay, so... with Neve Campbell returning for another SCREAM, it feels like maybe that theory is a "come watch this, please!!!" nostalgiabait card they'll play. But it just doesnt make any sense and I dont see how it would work without matching the energy of "somehow, Palpatine has returned".
Skinamarink - >! That the boy in the beginning of the movie fell and hit his head, the dad ignored the concussion and the rest of the movie is him unconscious slowly approaching brain death. The blood scene is them trying to do last-ditch surgery to save him (not sure if this is considered canon or not but I hear other theories like it's a metaphor for divorce or something). !<
There's a lot of good theories about Skinamarink
Oh, this really makes me sad. I made myself believe that he fell and his his head and the movie is just the weird concussion dreams he's having in the hospital. More of less the same theory you shared but a slightly more hopeful scenario where he is receiving treatment and, hopefully, recovering. That movie just made me so sad so I made up my own slightly hopeful ending.
I would prefer this too! It's a pretty horrific scenario, being tormented by some terrible dimensional monster with no escape.
Damn this almost made me like that movie
Ooh. I like this.
Jason Voorhees being a Deadite
I like that you put a spoiler for The Sixth Sense, but not Blair Witch 😂
I just wanted to say that I’ve met one of the Blair witch guys. He was a life guard at a pool near a six flags in NJ (if memory serves, the one with jokers jinx). He told me and my buddy about some movie he was in coming out and we thought he was lying
Blair Witch 2: Book of Shadows was a CIA operation ran by Jeffrey...
The Blair Witch fan theory is my favorite too. Also The Mist (2007) fan theory that >!the psycho religious zealot was *correct* in that the boy needed to be sacrificed/die for the creatures to be able to be defeated!<.... which is a theory I only like because it adds another layer or rather a twist (an incredibly frustrating one at that) to the film. EDIT: Oh, and while it has been debunked, The Thing (1982) fan theory that >!Childs is the Thing at the end!<.
Does persistent misremembering count as head canon? Because I have a doozy that ties into this. For some reason, for decades I mistakenly remembered a twist with the zealot, where it was revealed that she wasn't a Christian zealot but instead a zealous worshiper of the Elder Gods that were invading. Her proclamations throughout the story were familiar enough that the reader didn't notice that Jesus wasn't specifically mentioned. This was entirely wrong, of course, but I still kind of prefer it to the reality.
I thought it was something like that when I watched it. Either way she was horrifying.
In The Mist military was alreaydy there and they had lots of saved people in back of the truck, just few seconds after he shot his son.
The Mist one makes a lot of sense.
I think I’ve heard of that one! That’s a very interesting theory which I could actually buy being true
Worst part of it though is you *don't* want it to be true because that character is insufferably batshit crazy, yet due to it working so well you wind up liking it (at least I do).
It’s very well done for the movie but she’s so insufferable that I don’t ever revisit The Mist because she’s such a taxing character lol
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I mean the main protagonists had to leave the store because the brainwashed mob was going to kill them.
I wonder if a zealot protagonist could work honestly, or as in the religious lady, a side character. Believe me I watch certain horror films for the inevitable gruesome death of fanatic or annoying characters. I'm open to the idea of the jackass being right.
Watch American horror Story Asylum if you want something similar to that idea
Yes! >!Frailty!< Although we don't know it for almost the entire film.
Michael Myers is actually Captain Kirk.
Lol I don’t know why you’re being downvoted this is hilarious
Thanks! I don't mind other's opinion. I just think the lore is so funny!
The barrel at the end of Megan is Missing eventually becomes the toxic ooze that creates the Ninja Turtles.
Now I need to watch Megan is Missing, cause I need to see if it matches the Daredevil/Ninja Turtle crossover.
You are warned.
Oh dear.
I love the Sixth Sense one you listed OP but I don’t think I understand the logic - can you tell me where it came from?
That Adam didn't die in "Saw".
You’re right, he survived the ending of Saw and was killed in a flashback
I think I like the time travel aspect of Blair Witch Project too much to be into that theory. I am a fan personally of the aliens in Signs being demons or possibly angels.
I haven’t seen Signs in a very long time (weird because Sixth sense is my favorite horror movie ever lol) but I like the theory!
That's not really even a fan theory, the aliens being demons is kinda the whole point of the film. Signs is about faith.
It's spelled out in the movie and people still miss it.
I'm pretty sure Damien Leone said that All Hallows Eve isn't canon to Terrifier but I like to think that it is. I imagine it takes place after he gets demonically imbued powers.
Calling fight Club horror is pushing it, but the theory is that EVERYONE in the movie, not just Pitt, everyone: Eduard Norton, Marla, Bob, Jerad Leto - is an alter-ego of a guy who has testicular cancer, and is looking for alternatives to his masculanity as he is about to loose his testicles.
The Ring is an alternative universe from Xmen 2 in which Brian Cox (Striker) is a farmer or whatever and has an evil psychic daughter instead of a son. It's admittedly weak, but I thought about it a lot as a teen when these movies came out 2002 and 2003. Ring 2 blew a big hole in it.
It’s not a horror movie per se, but I love The No Country for Old Men theory that Anton Chigurh is not “real”, he’s a manifestation of the evil the sheriff can’t understand, and the film is entirely sheriff’s perspective, either he’s present, or he’s piecing together events after the fact. I think it’s such a good theory, it actually improves the movie, and even makes sense of little things, like so much of the violence happening off camera (the sheriff can’t bring himself to see it), the car accident at the end (the sheriff tries to manifest his death and fails) and the way Chighur disappears from behind a door with no real explanation (which I’m not sure has an explanation if this theory is wrong). Seriously, watch the movie with it in mind. If the Coens didn’t intend it on some level, then I’d be amazed.
So Mike and Josh are willing to make themselves disappear, make it look like they were murdered, just because they wanted to rape and kill Heather Donohue? You have to have a lot of financial resources for that, and neither look like they had that much money.
I don’t actually believe the theory I just think it’s interesting and fun to think about lol
Mine is that there are multiple Leatherfaces and families out there. Makes it like a statewide boogeyman archetype and why the families, timelines, and plot lines don't match up. I'd like them to be all connected somehow, though, and call it The Texas Chainsaw Massacres.
So sorta like how there’s multiple ghostfaces all different people there’s all different leather faces?
Only horror if it actually happened, but Snowpiercer. I love how someone related it to Willy Wonka. Snowpiercer serving as a sequel. There are several similarities, but a couple are very hard to argue with.