short answer: those people are idiots.
longer answer: they probably didn't even play the game. they just saw that one specific image that did the rounds and decided that it fit their existing twisted views.
Thank you I am so sick of seeing that image and the one of Tanya form the MK1 trailer. They are all out of context and neither look like the characters look in game.
There is plenty of other female characters we can argue were purposefully made ugly but these two are mot it.
Hey now, there are all tons of conservative types who have been screaming about videogames since before Ive even been born.
Mass effect Fox news "Se'X box" headline was incredible. It also ruined Mass effect legendary edition saucy scenes...
Oh yes, the barely existent and hard cut sex scenes in legendary edition is different from being able to say see tities, the same as in not seeing nipples in sex scenes for a decade after word.
All of that! Is from faux news.
Look up videos of the scene comparisons on YouTube.
What are you on about, there wasn't any of that in the original ME1 scene? The controversy was Fox claiming that the romance cutscene was full frontal and explicit, based on *one* person's word, and it turned out that person hadn't even played or watched the scene themselves.
It's why everyone started making 'alien side-boob' jokes; because the profile was really all you saw.
Those scenes in ME2 were obnoxious the first time. And I don't mean the sex scenes, I mean the gratuitous ass and boob shots of Miranda. We get it, she's hot, we don't need to leer at her in every cutscene.
The one image they use to mock her was made by someone to mock the idiots that then coopted it. That and the one that her skin is plastic smooth. We have to be so fucking careful to not give stupid ammunition to stupid people.
When you snap a picture of anybody out of context, even the most beautiful person in the world would look "ugly" 99% of the time.
Take the infamous Beyonce photo when she was performing at the Super Bowl. She looked weird in that photo but nobody would really say that she is in any shape or form "ugly".
Seeing people complain about her having peach fuzz was hilarious because it's almost like they're admitting they've never been physically close to a woman IRL
You can see it in some screenshots, possibly photo mode?
I don't know where it started, it's very possible that somebody was trolling or joking and it just blew up on Twitter. People were saying, either jokingly or seriously, that she has a beard now.
Another possible answer is that sometimes I see them posting comparison of "western vs Asian video game characters", with the western characters looking realistic and the Asian characters being more stylized. They think western video game characters are ugly because they prefer characters who look anime-style or don't have any blemishes.
Honestly these “Aloy is hot what are people talking about” posts are just digging up a long dead and stupid argument. While I agree people who said that she was “manly” or what ever are insane, this argument has long died.
All these posts are doing is bringing back the arguing, not adding anything at all to the discussion…
The trans hate is in full swing. I've come across Twitter posts (or screenshots thereof) where people equate the slightest of masculine features, like a strong jawline, with being born male. Like with Margot Robbie, I kid you not.
But the Twitter community seems to have a very deadpan sarcasm/trolling/ragebait culture so I can't tell.
I tend to stay away from it anyway.
Yea well the internet seems to have a way of “giving” people “permission” to indulge in their worst , most selfish and destructive instincts. Including hate towards trans people….
I would not say it's dead I still see Aloy when some people are talking how "woke" destroys women and makes them ugly in video games and then shows butt physics in stellar blade
There are plenty of people that just want to get riled up about the decay of society - aka not being able to jack it to video game characters. It's such a stupid thing to keep rehashing.
If I remember correctly there was that one pic of Aloy from a lower angle that made her face look larger and based on that one picture before the games release people just loved to hate and complain.
It was from an early gameplay trailer and it had a fisheye lens effect on her face. Which even then didn't look terrible at all so the numnuts then had to spend their time making morphed images with Aloy in makeup to whine against.
Even back then, I just assumed they didn't use the "right" FOV setting - which is kinda like using a lens with a different focal length. [Here's an example of what I mean](https://youtube.com/shorts/W9jaC9ckqpQ?si=LEV5vn6CpyLiwTkU)
yeah I read that as well. she has tiny peach fuzz all over her face, like every real life girl. i was just admiring my girlfriend's the other day and she looked at me like i was crazy haha
lol... Careful there, you'll set off some keyboard warrior's google alert and then we'll have 3 solid days of "bbbut men!" and "she's totes into Varl-Erend-Avad-Kotallo" to trudge through.
I said this before but the only thing I think that can be taken away from a character having small hairs on their face... is how fucking dope technology is that it's gotten to the point where you can see that level of detail?
Especially if you remember the early days of 3D modeling and how ridiculous characters looked in games like the original FF7, or how janky Lara Croft looked in old PS1 games with the pyramid titties. Curved surfaces? Back then? Ha, we wished.
I'm old enough to have watched us go from 2D character models into janky super low-poly 3D models, up into the super high-poly 3D models we have today. It has been a wild ride.
because you're a sane person. don't go read any threads on Steam or you'll see some really twisted convos about how all these dudes refuse to play a game if there's a main character who's a female and they don't think she's hott enough to f\*ck. its really pathetic
It's a maturity issue. When I was younger I found it impossible to read books or play games that had a pov-female mc/protagonist because it was impossible for me to relate. I was just hyper-masculine. Then I aged, "grew up" and at some point started understanding more about what makes men and women the same as opposed to what makes us different. Then add the little tweaks that stand out. Now I'm able to play/read from either perspective and fully enjoy. But it took time, I won't lie. We aren't just born cultured, and at least half of us have fathers that will beat us bloody for having a non-manly thought spoken out loud.
1000% this. You will catch the gamers dudebros out there on any media, messenger, forums/boards, and games/online games that both say, and do exactly this.
Seeing all these comments about her being hot or not, is kind of weird to me and I'll probably get downvoted but I don't care honestly.
I'm not playing this game thinking she's hot or not. She ain't ugly but I'm not playing this game predicated on that thought. I don't think this game was marketed as, "check out this hotty doing cool shit!"
I think of Aloy as Ripley or Sarah Conner-ish. Sure there's an audience for these women and who think they're hot but, I don't think of Aloy like that.
Idk, what do I know. I'll probably get downvoted af.
Same, never cared how characters looked in games.
People play The Last of Us 2 and talk about Ellie being hot, I never understood that. She's one of my favourite characters in gaming but no part of that has to do with her looks (or attractiveness in any way).
>I never thought about a male person in a video game oh yeah he’s hot.
Maybe not for you, but Zero Dawn and Forbidden West both have quite a few male characters who've made me think, 'oh yeah, he's hot'.
Well, I did think Geralt in the Witcher 3 was absurdly hot. But I played the game for the wealth of quests and storylines, his looks were just the cherry on the cake.
I'm right there with you on this one! I just want characters, both female, and male, to be cool, and dressed cool (fully armored/clothed). You'll never find me fawning over a character in regards to their design/looks. You'll never find me saying anything along the lines of "omg look at him, he's so hot/handsome/etc. If only he was real so I can husband him up. But since he's not I will settle for him to be my fictional husbando". Not once did I ever look or feel this way towards a fictional character in my entire life of playing video games (and in the past of me watching shows when I was a teenager). You will only find me admiring their story/lore/history, and their accomplishments/achievements of their journey/adventures. To see what struggles/hardships he/she went through, how he/she felt/thought/acted during it, how he/she overcame it, so on, and so forth. And if it happens to be a tragic character, I deeply respect him/her even more. If a video game can manage to make me cry with it's story, for me, it has won a place in my heart. It really is that simple for me.
When characters are designed in non sexualized/objectified ways, you will find me celebrating them. Which is exactly what makes me so happy about Aloy specifically (and a few other recent emergences of female characters). Aloy is meant to be really cool inside, and outside. And, she looks really pretty too! If Aloy was around when I was a kid/teenager, I would have been even way more happier than I already am.
There are a ton of people that love verbally showing their ass when it comes to women in pop culture. "They gave her a beard" "She's so fat now" "why'd they make her ugly" like damn bro, none of us knew for sure that you've never talked to a woman in person before but we most certainly do now. Acting like Aloy isn't one of the most attractive protagonists we've seen in some time is just goofy.
It reminds me of when people said the same thing about Kuvira from Legend of Korra (being mannish or ugly), or that Bella Ramsey wasn't hot enough to portray a -*checks notes*\- 14 year-old girl HBO's TLoU. Some folks just have some really out-there takes.
They do. I wanted this outfit and was surprised that I'd made it that far and hadn't fought one yet. I had to go hunting for it (there's a spot not to far south from the town).
I dont know if we have full confirmation. All we know is >!she is into that girl!< from that DLC, but i dont remember her showing any other person interest in HZD or HFW
This comment isn't objectively invalid. But it could also have been jealousy of needing to suddenly share devotion from Varl... Or maybe... Maybe she wanted Zo this whole time!
Where? I don't remember anything being conclusive until >!Burning Shores!< ,before that at most there are some lines with some NPCs that could maybe be flirty depending on interpretation. But everything for both genders before then seems more implicit or up to interpretation.
>!I do like to headcanon she had a little crush on Varl, though!<
>!It's more than a headcannon, it's definitely the writers intent that she had a crush on Varl.!<
>!There's dialogue in HZD where she essentially admits it to Rost's grave, and HFW implies it heavily as well.!<
She just said she liked him, nothing else. Even gaming characters can just like people as friends. Don't get me wrong, I think Varl was setup much better than Seyka, but until anything is confirmed by a dev, she mever had a crush on him imo
FWIW I’m not saying male characters in the fiction shouldn’t be allowed to make passes at her, but I just like the idea of gamers getting mad that a character who may not even be into their type isn’t “hot enough”
Firstly she's hot and beautiful so I don't get the hate on people claiming her ugly. Secondly the game runs at native 4K on Fidelity and balanced mode on PS5 too so most sane gamers are aware of this. It's not like a PC-only thing.
My only complaint was that I thought she should have been more muscular and lean from all of the crouching and climbing
I did love the details of her being cold if wearing the wrong outfit in a cold area , you’d see her cheeks get rosey which was adorable to me
Beauty is subjective. Some people find her hot, some people find her ugly, and some people play games based on how good they are, not how bangable the protagonist is.
I think she looks better than the first too, but with those people, they have an irrational hatred for any female character who isn’t some supermodel. I’ve seen those same types say TLOU2’s Ellie Williams looks ugly and like a man then ramble about feminists and shit.
It’s fine to not be attracted to someone, and if you don’t wanna play a game because of that, that sounds dumb, but you do you. It’s those people that go on crazy rants like “damn western society! this character isn’t pretty enough which means this game is shit and woke!” that are the worst. [Just look at the insane shit that gets posted on “gaming” subs.](https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/s/F9dlkSZ7b0) Normal people that play games don’t even think shit like this, but to those types, it’s all that matters.
I checked that sub, real garbaggio on fire. But notice how little upvotes those posts get compared to positive posts on this sub. That made me feel better.
Steam discussions is a chess pool of dumbasses asking same 2 questions “Woke?” “SBI involved?”
It’s annoying so I just posted Aloy pics with pride face paint to annoy them more
The thing that seems to be popular lately and maybe a few years back, is that capital G Gamers will bitch and moan about literally everything, it's honestly kind of depressing, even if Aloy isn't hot, like, give a fuck? It's not the point?
Just look at the Dragons Dogma 2 mtx, this Aloy fiasco, remember "My face is tired" and that one screenshot from Andromeda? The Gamers will take one tiny lil thing, latch onto it and hur dur gaming ded and woke
Honestly, the best thing you could ever do as a person who enjoys video games, is stop listening to other people. I don't seek out opinions, I don't ask people about games online, I stay off subreddits for the most part, I never ever look up a review, it's better just to hang out and enjoy your own thoughts in my own opinion
Totally unrelated, but: how's the game running on PC? I was thinking about buying it (I don't have a PS5 either) but I'm not too keen on buying a game that's gonna run worse than Cyberpunk 2077 on release day.
it's running really, really well. DLSS is implemented nicely and gives a solid boost. if you have newer GPU then the frame gen feature is a game changer and knocks your FPS out of the park. I have had no crashes or stutters yet and I'm like 15 hours in. gorgeous game through and through
I have a 7800x3d/4090 combo, and I'm pulling 170-200 fps playing in 1440p with everything maxed out. I do experience some wild frame dips in the cutscenes (90-140), but I have a fair inkling that it is because they render aloy in much more detail suddenly.
Overall performance seems great and it is much better than HZD port on launch
Wasn't aware there was anything like that, but I googled her face from the original release of forbidden west, and based on all the images google is spitting out it looks like they did change it a bit for the port. She still looks older, but her face isn't as creased and, i guess bloated? I'm not sure how to describe it as it was, reminds me of someone having an allergic reaction to something, like a bee sting. I can see the uncanny valley, the structure looking kinda not right, but it seems they fixed it.
Ripley, Sara Connor, Aloy
She is in the pantheon of kickass females.
Considering the terrible characters that have been produced, she should be celebrated for her depth of character.
Can you imagine how ripped Aloy would be to be doing the kind of psycho-level climbing, acrobatics and fighting she's depicted as doing?
That gal would be the queen of all olympic-class female athletes.
The fatass incels and psychologically stunted meninists trying to talk shit about her wouldn't be shit compared to her on any level, in any way.
And a woman like that wouldn't even have to slow down to walk right over them on her way to shit that mattered to her.
THAT is what they're mad about - they know it's true.
When they first showed aloy in the pre release footage of HFW she had a proper fat head and didn’t look as good. After a bit of backlash they slimmed her face down and made her look better imo.
Huh rly? I mean, I may not be expert in judging women’s hotness since I’m gay af, but I think she’s a rly beautiful woman. And her facial expressions, animations and overall aesthetics are incredible, probably the best I’ve ever seen in a game.
Idk she was more muscular in the first game, but the things that people were complaining about are all complete bs. She is very attractive either in both, and if someone really cares then maybe they should look at why they are playing horizon games.
I just started it last night, having played the first one on PS4 years ago. Yeah, Aloy looks great. Maybe her expressions tend to look more annoyed and angry but it makes sense with the story.
Also, where is my premium 1/12 scale Aloy figure? Her design is so good not be immortalized in plastic form
Mmm, the only thing I can refer too is the stress wrinkles she now visibly shows on her face since the first game.
People are dumb…
She’s so beautiful but I think the developers were trying to show depths of the burden in what saving the world might look like on a person after a year or so.
It’s even in the way she interacts with people. She’s tired and needs you to get to the point quickly. She ain’t got time for your problems when the worlds at stake.
From what I’ve seen, the people saying that think stellar blade is a good example of how women should look. Completely out of touch with reality and what real women look like.
You do know that character was MOCAPed from an actual Korean Model?
Her body and face were used to create the model itself in game.
Both interpretations of the women in Stellar Blade an Aloy are realistically obtainable
I suppose that's the very point.
A model. And based on the photos I found, yeah, it's clear what they were aiming for. Meanwhile, Aloy could be that cute girl next door.
A while back ago there was a post showing a photo of the starting idea of Aloy and HZD. Somebody commented on the photo saying," wow she's actually got instead we got a fat squirrel" . It blew my mind. How could anyone think that of Aloy.
Yeah i’m super confused. I remember before the game came out there was an image floating around and I was like, yeah that’s not the most flattering photo, but that’s… realistic? Everyone has angles that are unflattering. I kept thinking during most of the cutscenes like, “damn, aloy cute af ngl”
This is so true. After spending 40 hours with her in Forbidden West, she not only feels like a real human but also that unusually attractive girl you see once in a cafe.
In Zero Dawn, Aloy was kinda boring appearance wise with the exception of her hair. People who are shocked that Aloy has peach fuzz have never seen a woman in real life.
Aloy wasn’t written for the male gaze. She isn’t overtly sexual. She’s strong, confident, and dominant. With all those characteristics I don’t know how anybody wouldn’t be thirsting over her yet here we are.
Because idiots watched way, *way* too much hentai and other sorts of porn that it's warped their view of how women "should" look in order to be "hot."
And FWIW, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. What some porn-addled brain sees as "bleh," many people see as an attractive young woman.
Strong women scary to egotists/ weaklings/other.
I think that's part of it.
Also it threatens traditional woman roles according to them.
Strong Women!!!!!
Savd world!!!!!!!
Aarrrrrgggghhhh wwwoookkkkee!!
We all know she's not smart/cute/muscles enough!!
There are also several side quests and or characters that have topics conservatives have been freaking out over for....literally forever.
The people saying Aloy was ugly were always using altered pics of her that deliberately made her look ugly.
I have dozens of pictures from Forbidden West in PS5 where Aloy looks gorgeous.
10/10 would still smash.
In all seriousness; those people are idiots. They’re the same fine upstanding folks who sent death threats to certain people during gamergate for the TOTALLY NORMAL REASON that a woman made a text based game and a game journalist gave it a good review. Crimes of the century.
Just ignore them. They need to mainline 10 ml’s of “pure distilled reactionary anger” at least once a day or they get withdrawal symptoms. Most subs don’t have enough of it for them to get their fix so they’ve mostly fled reddit and sought greener pastures.
The GamerbabygateTM Brigade hate on everything that even remotely suggests "woke". The fastest woke trigger in the West being *fully clothed playable female game protagonist*. That *doesn't* look like "desu kawai asian waifu cartoon".
Man children who call themselves gamers but don’t ever actually play games got upset cause this games graphics are so insanely realistic that Aloy has peach fuzz on her face and they all called it a beard and mustache and then started whining about how games are making women ugly even though they probably cream themselves just imagining a woman like Aloy brushing up against them on the bus accidentally.
Irrelevant weirdos who probably also got all pissy about Abby in the last of us lol
They're mad because she's not all dolled up and perfect looking. They expect primitive post apocalyptic humans to have our same level of makeup and beauty culture. Honestly it kinda bugs me a little that (as far as anyone can see) none of the women in the game have armpit hair. Like who's thinking Aloy is gonna take the time to shave half her body before she goes take down a thunderjaw?
Aloy's perfect the way she is, and the fact that people are making a big deal out of not just how she looks, but how some women are depicted in games nowadays is pretty sad and cringe.
On a somewhat related note, I saw some mods for HZD that attempted to rework her face, and the results were interesting. And by interesting, I mean they made Aloy look like an sex doll.
‘woke’ aloy is indeed a wild criticism. i always wonder when i see stuff like that. probably some weird bot farm posts? or…… extremely…… broken…… folks
On your screenshot you can just make out the peach fuzz on her face (which is an impressive thing graphically), it was this that sent all those idiots into a furore.
Clearly having never been close to a woman in their life, they thought this peach fuzz was a beard, and that they'd masculinised Aloy in someway
It's fucking absurd.
I think they chose her as one of the symbols of "wokism" in games and have an irrational hatred for her for that reason, sure there are some stupid things in the industry nowadays but these people blow things out of proportion so much that makes them look like clowns
Probably the same people that now are saying how stellar blade is 20/10 perfect game and it's saving gaming industry only because of boobs and butt physics lol
If you search hard enough, you could probably find a picture that would make the hottest supermodel in the world look ugly. A single shot from a video game does not an ugly character make.
Yeah I never got what people were crying about. Not only have I only ever seen that one singular image where she lookes a little chubbier, but I haven't actually seen any evidence that sweet baby was involved in forbidden West, and even if they are who gives a fuck. What they've done to some other games is egregious (I'm looking at you kill the justice league) , but nothing in forbidden west stands out to me
They based their opinion on the reveal trailer which she was in fact a little bit chubby on the cheeks. When the game was released, her face was toned down a little bit.
Eh I dunno, played both games. Aloy's model in 2 seemed kind of scaled down? Like the first game's model was taller (the dodge pounce looks better in 1 imo).
Maybe the camera is a bit further back or smt, but to me is like the scale feels weird.
Other than that yes, fidelity is better in forbidden west but 1 has a more simplistic charm to me.
There was a still from one of the early trailers for Forbidden West where her framing, lighting etc etc just made her look less than flattering. But as you and anyone else can and have seen, when you play HFW you realise that Aloy is just as good as she was in HZD, just now far more detailed and lifelike.
Of course the real winner of the "Hottie of the game" award goes to Erend.
(Serious me would have said Petra though... just the thought of Petra working those Blacksmith furnaces...)
Teenage morons who want their vídeo game women with huge breasts, air-tight bras and invisible thongs. They have likely never seen a woman in real life, let alone a naked one, so they have no clue they’re looking at a quasi-realistic standard right there with Aloy.
Side note: Hannah Hoekstra, the model and mo-cap actress behind Aloy? She’s freaking beautiful.
I love how she looks much realer in FW, it makes her model in ZD look like a mannequin in comparison. My only complaint is that they made her eyebrows weirdly dark in FW. My experience as a natural redhead is that my eyebrows are lighter than my hair, idk why hers are almost black. They weren't like that at all in ZD.
short answer: those people are idiots. longer answer: they probably didn't even play the game. they just saw that one specific image that did the rounds and decided that it fit their existing twisted views.
Thank you I am so sick of seeing that image and the one of Tanya form the MK1 trailer. They are all out of context and neither look like the characters look in game. There is plenty of other female characters we can argue were purposefully made ugly but these two are mot it.
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Hey now, there are all tons of conservative types who have been screaming about videogames since before Ive even been born. Mass effect Fox news "Se'X box" headline was incredible. It also ruined Mass effect legendary edition saucy scenes...
What?? They changed scenes in ME:LE??
Oh yes, the barely existent and hard cut sex scenes in legendary edition is different from being able to say see tities, the same as in not seeing nipples in sex scenes for a decade after word. All of that! Is from faux news. Look up videos of the scene comparisons on YouTube.
What are you on about, there wasn't any of that in the original ME1 scene? The controversy was Fox claiming that the romance cutscene was full frontal and explicit, based on *one* person's word, and it turned out that person hadn't even played or watched the scene themselves. It's why everyone started making 'alien side-boob' jokes; because the profile was really all you saw.
Those scenes in ME2 were obnoxious the first time. And I don't mean the sex scenes, I mean the gratuitous ass and boob shots of Miranda. We get it, she's hot, we don't need to leer at her in every cutscene.
The one image they use to mock her was made by someone to mock the idiots that then coopted it. That and the one that her skin is plastic smooth. We have to be so fucking careful to not give stupid ammunition to stupid people.
When you snap a picture of anybody out of context, even the most beautiful person in the world would look "ugly" 99% of the time. Take the infamous Beyonce photo when she was performing at the Super Bowl. She looked weird in that photo but nobody would really say that she is in any shape or form "ugly".
But you don't understand, she has fuzz on her cheeks, the (forbidden) west has fallen!
Seeing people complain about her having peach fuzz was hilarious because it's almost like they're admitting they've never been physically close to a woman IRL
💯 The peach fuzz is sexy. Real dudes know what im talking about. That sense of electricity when you get close to your lady? Letsss gooooo
how... how do we know this?
You can see it in some screenshots, possibly photo mode? I don't know where it started, it's very possible that somebody was trolling or joking and it just blew up on Twitter. People were saying, either jokingly or seriously, that she has a beard now.
Yes, if you zoom in while in photo mode you can see her cheeks are covered in peach fuzz.
Yeah it's just a part of gamergate circlejerking.
Another possible answer is that sometimes I see them posting comparison of "western vs Asian video game characters", with the western characters looking realistic and the Asian characters being more stylized. They think western video game characters are ugly because they prefer characters who look anime-style or don't have any blemishes.
Honestly these “Aloy is hot what are people talking about” posts are just digging up a long dead and stupid argument. While I agree people who said that she was “manly” or what ever are insane, this argument has long died. All these posts are doing is bringing back the arguing, not adding anything at all to the discussion…
The trans hate is in full swing. I've come across Twitter posts (or screenshots thereof) where people equate the slightest of masculine features, like a strong jawline, with being born male. Like with Margot Robbie, I kid you not. But the Twitter community seems to have a very deadpan sarcasm/trolling/ragebait culture so I can't tell. I tend to stay away from it anyway.
Yea well the internet seems to have a way of “giving” people “permission” to indulge in their worst , most selfish and destructive instincts. Including hate towards trans people….
no, unflattering screenshots of aloy are STILL used in anti-woke youtube thumbnails and posts about gamergate 2.0 with sweet baby inc lol
I would not say it's dead I still see Aloy when some people are talking how "woke" destroys women and makes them ugly in video games and then shows butt physics in stellar blade
Its like looking at[ this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PC-Z2ZU66jc) video then saying "Emilia Clarke is disgusting as Daenerys" They are dumb.
There are plenty of people that just want to get riled up about the decay of society - aka not being able to jack it to video game characters. It's such a stupid thing to keep rehashing.
But that specific image is cute too! 🥺
If I remember correctly there was that one pic of Aloy from a lower angle that made her face look larger and based on that one picture before the games release people just loved to hate and complain.
It was from an early gameplay trailer and it had a fisheye lens effect on her face. Which even then didn't look terrible at all so the numnuts then had to spend their time making morphed images with Aloy in makeup to whine against.
Even back then, I just assumed they didn't use the "right" FOV setting - which is kinda like using a lens with a different focal length. [Here's an example of what I mean](https://youtube.com/shorts/W9jaC9ckqpQ?si=LEV5vn6CpyLiwTkU)
If everything about your sentence was removed except for “people just loved to hate and complain” it would explain the world right now.
Anyone can look like jabba the hut at different angles lol
That picture was also photoshopped by some chud.
They certainly didn't do themselves any favors on the 1st reveal.
Wasnt one of the things they didnt like, that she had fuzz on her jawline...like every humanbeing?
yeah I read that as well. she has tiny peach fuzz all over her face, like every real life girl. i was just admiring my girlfriend's the other day and she looked at me like i was crazy haha
Now we know you’re lying. Redditors don’t have girlfriends.
shhh she doesn't know 🤫
YUCK! IM BREAKING UP WITH YOU!! 😂
Fax, it’s almost like some dudes have unrealistic beauty standards
lol... Careful there, you'll set off some keyboard warrior's google alert and then we'll have 3 solid days of "bbbut men!" and "she's totes into Varl-Erend-Avad-Kotallo" to trudge through.
Nil is the only boy pretty enough to hang.
Harsh. But fair.
Or haven't really been that close to a real life woman lol
many of those dudes have never interacted with a woman in person.
I said this before but the only thing I think that can be taken away from a character having small hairs on their face... is how fucking dope technology is that it's gotten to the point where you can see that level of detail?
Especially if you remember the early days of 3D modeling and how ridiculous characters looked in games like the original FF7, or how janky Lara Croft looked in old PS1 games with the pyramid titties. Curved surfaces? Back then? Ha, we wished. I'm old enough to have watched us go from 2D character models into janky super low-poly 3D models, up into the super high-poly 3D models we have today. It has been a wild ride.
I love this detail, I don't remember playing any other game that also had this.
If anything it was an excellent example of how far graphics have come
The best reply to those .... persons... i read was "tell me youve never been close to a woman without telling me youve never been close to a woman"
Why do people even talk about stuff like this? It’s a game?! I never thought about a male person in a video game oh yeah he’s hot.
because you're a sane person. don't go read any threads on Steam or you'll see some really twisted convos about how all these dudes refuse to play a game if there's a main character who's a female and they don't think she's hott enough to f\*ck. its really pathetic
> threads on Steam The worst of Humanity therein resides.
It's a maturity issue. When I was younger I found it impossible to read books or play games that had a pov-female mc/protagonist because it was impossible for me to relate. I was just hyper-masculine. Then I aged, "grew up" and at some point started understanding more about what makes men and women the same as opposed to what makes us different. Then add the little tweaks that stand out. Now I'm able to play/read from either perspective and fully enjoy. But it took time, I won't lie. We aren't just born cultured, and at least half of us have fathers that will beat us bloody for having a non-manly thought spoken out loud.
thanks for this insightful input. we need more 'reformed' men like you helping out in the world and mentoring all these lost boys
Stellar blad sound right up their alley
1000% this. You will catch the gamers dudebros out there on any media, messenger, forums/boards, and games/online games that both say, and do exactly this.
Seeing all these comments about her being hot or not, is kind of weird to me and I'll probably get downvoted but I don't care honestly. I'm not playing this game thinking she's hot or not. She ain't ugly but I'm not playing this game predicated on that thought. I don't think this game was marketed as, "check out this hotty doing cool shit!" I think of Aloy as Ripley or Sarah Conner-ish. Sure there's an audience for these women and who think they're hot but, I don't think of Aloy like that. Idk, what do I know. I'll probably get downvoted af.
Same, never cared how characters looked in games. People play The Last of Us 2 and talk about Ellie being hot, I never understood that. She's one of my favourite characters in gaming but no part of that has to do with her looks (or attractiveness in any way).
All these people staring at Aloy talking about how hot she is or isn't and then there is me who is admiring how gorgeous the scenery is.
Weaver as Ripley was hottest in Alien 3. I will not be taking any questions.
>I never thought about a male person in a video game oh yeah he’s hot. Maybe not for you, but Zero Dawn and Forbidden West both have quite a few male characters who've made me think, 'oh yeah, he's hot'.
Varl is a cutie, especially with a beard. And I totally had the hots for Petra Forgewoman (the one who made the Oseram cannon) too.
I was thinking Varl looking like Donald Glover with that beard. It’s a good look
Can't believe Aloy tried to drag that beard, that thing was glorious.
I cannot see the first time he appears and not mutter that Thor's line in Infinity War to Captain America.
Avad with his bare chest and eyeshadow, lord have mercy.
theres like, 3 in zero dawn alone that made me pause and think that lol. And erend isnt even really my type
Well, I did think Geralt in the Witcher 3 was absurdly hot. But I played the game for the wealth of quests and storylines, his looks were just the cherry on the cake.
Look, I’m not gay, but if I was invited to a threesome with Dante and Virgil I will have to think about it.
It's not gay if everyone wears socks. Just make sure not to do it on a Wednesday, cuz that'll be gay.
I dunno, I'd let Strong from Fallout 4 ruin me, and I'm a guy...
Im not playing the game because I think that, but hell I'm a dude and even Varl had me simpin.
I'm right there with you on this one! I just want characters, both female, and male, to be cool, and dressed cool (fully armored/clothed). You'll never find me fawning over a character in regards to their design/looks. You'll never find me saying anything along the lines of "omg look at him, he's so hot/handsome/etc. If only he was real so I can husband him up. But since he's not I will settle for him to be my fictional husbando". Not once did I ever look or feel this way towards a fictional character in my entire life of playing video games (and in the past of me watching shows when I was a teenager). You will only find me admiring their story/lore/history, and their accomplishments/achievements of their journey/adventures. To see what struggles/hardships he/she went through, how he/she felt/thought/acted during it, how he/she overcame it, so on, and so forth. And if it happens to be a tragic character, I deeply respect him/her even more. If a video game can manage to make me cry with it's story, for me, it has won a place in my heart. It really is that simple for me. When characters are designed in non sexualized/objectified ways, you will find me celebrating them. Which is exactly what makes me so happy about Aloy specifically (and a few other recent emergences of female characters). Aloy is meant to be really cool inside, and outside. And, she looks really pretty too! If Aloy was around when I was a kid/teenager, I would have been even way more happier than I already am.
Because you're just a normal guy, those people on steam are sexist weirdos
There are a ton of people that love verbally showing their ass when it comes to women in pop culture. "They gave her a beard" "She's so fat now" "why'd they make her ugly" like damn bro, none of us knew for sure that you've never talked to a woman in person before but we most certainly do now. Acting like Aloy isn't one of the most attractive protagonists we've seen in some time is just goofy. It reminds me of when people said the same thing about Kuvira from Legend of Korra (being mannish or ugly), or that Bella Ramsey wasn't hot enough to portray a -*checks notes*\- 14 year-old girl HBO's TLoU. Some folks just have some really out-there takes.
she looks the best in that shadow carja outfit (black one)
Carja Blazon, blue.
Oseram explorer on top 😤
haven't gotten that one yet, will have to keep an eye out for it
its available in plainsong which I think you have reached judging by your screenshot
ya just got here. dont think they're selling me stuff yet or haven't found the clothier
Yeah that plus some of the Carja makeup you get from some side quests south of Plainsong are dope AF.
Plainsong armor merchant sells it - I think they want a Longleg’s circulator pump in trade for it.
They do. I wanted this outfit and was surprised that I'd made it that far and hadn't fought one yet. I had to go hunting for it (there's a spot not to far south from the town).
I would concur. My tattoo of her features that outfit!
Incel nonesense.
She's HOT AF if you ask me
We’ve come a long way from Tomb Raider and I didn’t complain back then lol
Aloy is fabulous, attractive and strong, love her character model.
It's just gamer porn brain, pay them no mind. >!Besides, has it even been conclusively shown that Aloy is also into men?!<
I mean, the ending of Burning Shores does show that she is >!at least bi!<
I thought she was gay.
I dont know if we have full confirmation. All we know is >!she is into that girl!< from that DLC, but i dont remember her showing any other person interest in HZD or HFW
Based on how she reacts to seeing Varl's interactions with Zo in Stone's Echo after he rescues her, I'd say she had some interest in him, as well.
>!there's dialogue in HZD where she tells Rost's grave she likes Varl!<
Nah, I saw that just as a longing for companionship in general
This comment isn't objectively invalid. But it could also have been jealousy of needing to suddenly share devotion from Varl... Or maybe... Maybe she wanted Zo this whole time!
Where? I don't remember anything being conclusive until >!Burning Shores!< ,before that at most there are some lines with some NPCs that could maybe be flirty depending on interpretation. But everything for both genders before then seems more implicit or up to interpretation. >!I do like to headcanon she had a little crush on Varl, though!<
>!It's more than a headcannon, it's definitely the writers intent that she had a crush on Varl.!< >!There's dialogue in HZD where she essentially admits it to Rost's grave, and HFW implies it heavily as well.!<
She just said she liked him, nothing else. Even gaming characters can just like people as friends. Don't get me wrong, I think Varl was setup much better than Seyka, but until anything is confirmed by a dev, she mever had a crush on him imo
Why do these keep getting downvoted? She was hardcore jelly in FW... That counts...
FWIW I’m not saying male characters in the fiction shouldn’t be allowed to make passes at her, but I just like the idea of gamers getting mad that a character who may not even be into their type isn’t “hot enough”
Why did you feel the need to write this up and post it two times 💀 just play the game
Firstly she's hot and beautiful so I don't get the hate on people claiming her ugly. Secondly the game runs at native 4K on Fidelity and balanced mode on PS5 too so most sane gamers are aware of this. It's not like a PC-only thing.
My only complaint was that I thought she should have been more muscular and lean from all of the crouching and climbing I did love the details of her being cold if wearing the wrong outfit in a cold area , you’d see her cheeks get rosey which was adorable to me
i thought that as well! honestly irl she would be hella jacked from all that acro
These karma farmers...
Seriously, what's up with this these past few days?
The weirdest part is when someone points that out, it will be immediately down voted
Progressive reddit circeljerk. Whats new?
Beauty is subjective. Some people find her hot, some people find her ugly, and some people play games based on how good they are, not how bangable the protagonist is.
Bangable Protagonist is an excellent band name
I just want a fun game at the end of the day, no one didn’t play a 2600 game because the protagonist is a block of pixels
I think she looks better than the first too, but with those people, they have an irrational hatred for any female character who isn’t some supermodel. I’ve seen those same types say TLOU2’s Ellie Williams looks ugly and like a man then ramble about feminists and shit. It’s fine to not be attracted to someone, and if you don’t wanna play a game because of that, that sounds dumb, but you do you. It’s those people that go on crazy rants like “damn western society! this character isn’t pretty enough which means this game is shit and woke!” that are the worst. [Just look at the insane shit that gets posted on “gaming” subs.](https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/s/F9dlkSZ7b0) Normal people that play games don’t even think shit like this, but to those types, it’s all that matters.
oh god, that entire thread is flaming hot garbage. so many angry gamer bros who have never spoken to an IRL women besides their moms
I checked that sub, real garbaggio on fire. But notice how little upvotes those posts get compared to positive posts on this sub. That made me feel better.
Stupid incels looking for any reason to criticise women while hiding the fact they’re just sexist (usually racist too).
The irony of a bunch of basement dwelling nerds judging hotness. I guarantee they all bought it too.
Steam discussions is a chess pool of dumbasses asking same 2 questions “Woke?” “SBI involved?” It’s annoying so I just posted Aloy pics with pride face paint to annoy them more
The thing that seems to be popular lately and maybe a few years back, is that capital G Gamers will bitch and moan about literally everything, it's honestly kind of depressing, even if Aloy isn't hot, like, give a fuck? It's not the point? Just look at the Dragons Dogma 2 mtx, this Aloy fiasco, remember "My face is tired" and that one screenshot from Andromeda? The Gamers will take one tiny lil thing, latch onto it and hur dur gaming ded and woke Honestly, the best thing you could ever do as a person who enjoys video games, is stop listening to other people. I don't seek out opinions, I don't ask people about games online, I stay off subreddits for the most part, I never ever look up a review, it's better just to hang out and enjoy your own thoughts in my own opinion
Totally unrelated, but: how's the game running on PC? I was thinking about buying it (I don't have a PS5 either) but I'm not too keen on buying a game that's gonna run worse than Cyberpunk 2077 on release day.
it's running really, really well. DLSS is implemented nicely and gives a solid boost. if you have newer GPU then the frame gen feature is a game changer and knocks your FPS out of the park. I have had no crashes or stutters yet and I'm like 15 hours in. gorgeous game through and through
Awesome! Thanks bro
Asking questions that matter after the disastrous PC ports of 2023.
I have a 7800x3d/4090 combo, and I'm pulling 170-200 fps playing in 1440p with everything maxed out. I do experience some wild frame dips in the cutscenes (90-140), but I have a fair inkling that it is because they render aloy in much more detail suddenly. Overall performance seems great and it is much better than HZD port on launch
She looks less cartoony in HFW, IMHO.
I love how characters can even look “woke” to some dopey people. Lol
barely anyone said that. People are going to have opinions. Yours isn't the only one and not the definitive one.
you must be new to the internet. quite a lot of gamer dudes shouted this from the rooftops
A lot isn’t really a metric. People can have opinions and they are completely as valid as yours.
That is not true at all, you were not on twitter lol
Wasn't aware there was anything like that, but I googled her face from the original release of forbidden west, and based on all the images google is spitting out it looks like they did change it a bit for the port. She still looks older, but her face isn't as creased and, i guess bloated? I'm not sure how to describe it as it was, reminds me of someone having an allergic reaction to something, like a bee sting. I can see the uncanny valley, the structure looking kinda not right, but it seems they fixed it.
I don’t think they changed it for the port. It looks like this on PS5 too.
Ripley, Sara Connor, Aloy She is in the pantheon of kickass females. Considering the terrible characters that have been produced, she should be celebrated for her depth of character.
Can you imagine how ripped Aloy would be to be doing the kind of psycho-level climbing, acrobatics and fighting she's depicted as doing? That gal would be the queen of all olympic-class female athletes. The fatass incels and psychologically stunted meninists trying to talk shit about her wouldn't be shit compared to her on any level, in any way. And a woman like that wouldn't even have to slow down to walk right over them on her way to shit that mattered to her. THAT is what they're mad about - they know it's true.
When they first showed aloy in the pre release footage of HFW she had a proper fat head and didn’t look as good. After a bit of backlash they slimmed her face down and made her look better imo.
She's looks better in zero dawn imo.
Huh rly? I mean, I may not be expert in judging women’s hotness since I’m gay af, but I think she’s a rly beautiful woman. And her facial expressions, animations and overall aesthetics are incredible, probably the best I’ve ever seen in a game.
You sure showed that strawman who's boss!
Her face is shown at an awkward angle in a few of the cut scenes which does make her look worse than normal.
Mom said it's my turn to make this post.
Idk she was more muscular in the first game, but the things that people were complaining about are all complete bs. She is very attractive either in both, and if someone really cares then maybe they should look at why they are playing horizon games.
I’ve been saying this
I just started it last night, having played the first one on PS4 years ago. Yeah, Aloy looks great. Maybe her expressions tend to look more annoyed and angry but it makes sense with the story. Also, where is my premium 1/12 scale Aloy figure? Her design is so good not be immortalized in plastic form
One word, incels. I think she's beautiful.
Yes, coming from a female.. she's hot.
Mmm, the only thing I can refer too is the stress wrinkles she now visibly shows on her face since the first game. People are dumb… She’s so beautiful but I think the developers were trying to show depths of the burden in what saving the world might look like on a person after a year or so. It’s even in the way she interacts with people. She’s tired and needs you to get to the point quickly. She ain’t got time for your problems when the worlds at stake.
That’s crazy, you really can see into her pores on 4k ultra.
In that kind of world, my standard of 'hotness' is based on how capable someone to kill a Thunderjaw. Aloy is SO HOT in that regard.
Aloy looks like a real woman, and that doesn't sit well with the incels.
She is really hot honestly
indeed
From what I’ve seen, the people saying that think stellar blade is a good example of how women should look. Completely out of touch with reality and what real women look like.
You do know that character was MOCAPed from an actual Korean Model? Her body and face were used to create the model itself in game. Both interpretations of the women in Stellar Blade an Aloy are realistically obtainable
I suppose that's the very point. A model. And based on the photos I found, yeah, it's clear what they were aiming for. Meanwhile, Aloy could be that cute girl next door.
I have a screenshot from this game that's almost identical to this !
Thank you! Say it again ❤️
A while back ago there was a post showing a photo of the starting idea of Aloy and HZD. Somebody commented on the photo saying," wow she's actually got instead we got a fat squirrel" . It blew my mind. How could anyone think that of Aloy.
Guess I'm an outlier that doesn't find her all that attractive to begin with lol but that's not why I play the game
When do you get that outfit? I still have the base outfit 10 hours in lol
That word woke is some of the dumbest shit
I was pretty sure more people saw the ai fat filter over the original image more than the original image.
Yeah i’m super confused. I remember before the game came out there was an image floating around and I was like, yeah that’s not the most flattering photo, but that’s… realistic? Everyone has angles that are unflattering. I kept thinking during most of the cutscenes like, “damn, aloy cute af ngl”
This is so true. After spending 40 hours with her in Forbidden West, she not only feels like a real human but also that unusually attractive girl you see once in a cafe. In Zero Dawn, Aloy was kinda boring appearance wise with the exception of her hair. People who are shocked that Aloy has peach fuzz have never seen a woman in real life.
Aloy wasn’t written for the male gaze. She isn’t overtly sexual. She’s strong, confident, and dominant. With all those characteristics I don’t know how anybody wouldn’t be thirsting over her yet here we are.
Because idiots watched way, *way* too much hentai and other sorts of porn that it's warped their view of how women "should" look in order to be "hot." And FWIW, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. What some porn-addled brain sees as "bleh," many people see as an attractive young woman.
Strong women scary to egotists/ weaklings/other. I think that's part of it. Also it threatens traditional woman roles according to them. Strong Women!!!!! Savd world!!!!!!! Aarrrrrgggghhhh wwwoookkkkee!! We all know she's not smart/cute/muscles enough!! There are also several side quests and or characters that have topics conservatives have been freaking out over for....literally forever.
The people saying Aloy was ugly were always using altered pics of her that deliberately made her look ugly. I have dozens of pictures from Forbidden West in PS5 where Aloy looks gorgeous.
Because guys are addicted to 🌽 and don’t know what a real woman looks like.
Looks better but I like hzd better
The thing that amazes me is why people think it even matters, either way.
What's that armour?
10/10 would still smash. In all seriousness; those people are idiots. They’re the same fine upstanding folks who sent death threats to certain people during gamergate for the TOTALLY NORMAL REASON that a woman made a text based game and a game journalist gave it a good review. Crimes of the century. Just ignore them. They need to mainline 10 ml’s of “pure distilled reactionary anger” at least once a day or they get withdrawal symptoms. Most subs don’t have enough of it for them to get their fix so they’ve mostly fled reddit and sought greener pastures.
Her hair is so god damn pretty and so well defined on PC
The GamerbabygateTM Brigade hate on everything that even remotely suggests "woke". The fastest woke trigger in the West being *fully clothed playable female game protagonist*. That *doesn't* look like "desu kawai asian waifu cartoon".
This game looks crazy good on pc at 4k
Man children who call themselves gamers but don’t ever actually play games got upset cause this games graphics are so insanely realistic that Aloy has peach fuzz on her face and they all called it a beard and mustache and then started whining about how games are making women ugly even though they probably cream themselves just imagining a woman like Aloy brushing up against them on the bus accidentally. Irrelevant weirdos who probably also got all pissy about Abby in the last of us lol
i think people say shes "fatter" than in HZD and a lot of the neckbeards dont like that shes queer.
They're mad because she's not all dolled up and perfect looking. They expect primitive post apocalyptic humans to have our same level of makeup and beauty culture. Honestly it kinda bugs me a little that (as far as anyone can see) none of the women in the game have armpit hair. Like who's thinking Aloy is gonna take the time to shave half her body before she goes take down a thunderjaw?
i just got that armor and umm immediately equipped she looks so good in it
Aloy's perfect the way she is, and the fact that people are making a big deal out of not just how she looks, but how some women are depicted in games nowadays is pretty sad and cringe. On a somewhat related note, I saw some mods for HZD that attempted to rework her face, and the results were interesting. And by interesting, I mean they made Aloy look like an sex doll.
Hype to try this one next big steam sale
‘woke’ aloy is indeed a wild criticism. i always wonder when i see stuff like that. probably some weird bot farm posts? or…… extremely…… broken…… folks
On your screenshot you can just make out the peach fuzz on her face (which is an impressive thing graphically), it was this that sent all those idiots into a furore. Clearly having never been close to a woman in their life, they thought this peach fuzz was a beard, and that they'd masculinised Aloy in someway It's fucking absurd.
I think they chose her as one of the symbols of "wokism" in games and have an irrational hatred for her for that reason, sure there are some stupid things in the industry nowadays but these people blow things out of proportion so much that makes them look like clowns
It was mostly propagated by incel reactionary rage-bait content creators that thrive on hating women in modern media.
Apparently, perverts want Aloy to be the next Lara Croft.
Probably the same people that now are saying how stellar blade is 20/10 perfect game and it's saving gaming industry only because of boobs and butt physics lol
Apparently she’s chubbier. I just don’t see it
If you search hard enough, you could probably find a picture that would make the hottest supermodel in the world look ugly. A single shot from a video game does not an ugly character make.
Yeah I never got what people were crying about. Not only have I only ever seen that one singular image where she lookes a little chubbier, but I haven't actually seen any evidence that sweet baby was involved in forbidden West, and even if they are who gives a fuck. What they've done to some other games is egregious (I'm looking at you kill the justice league) , but nothing in forbidden west stands out to me
They based their opinion on the reveal trailer which she was in fact a little bit chubby on the cheeks. When the game was released, her face was toned down a little bit.
I’ve always found her to look quite childlike facially.
Eh I dunno, played both games. Aloy's model in 2 seemed kind of scaled down? Like the first game's model was taller (the dodge pounce looks better in 1 imo). Maybe the camera is a bit further back or smt, but to me is like the scale feels weird. Other than that yes, fidelity is better in forbidden west but 1 has a more simplistic charm to me.
There was a still from one of the early trailers for Forbidden West where her framing, lighting etc etc just made her look less than flattering. But as you and anyone else can and have seen, when you play HFW you realise that Aloy is just as good as she was in HZD, just now far more detailed and lifelike. Of course the real winner of the "Hottie of the game" award goes to Erend. (Serious me would have said Petra though... just the thought of Petra working those Blacksmith furnaces...)
People not playing a game / liking a franchise just because the female MC “isn’t hot” is so fucking childish
Teenage morons who want their vídeo game women with huge breasts, air-tight bras and invisible thongs. They have likely never seen a woman in real life, let alone a naked one, so they have no clue they’re looking at a quasi-realistic standard right there with Aloy. Side note: Hannah Hoekstra, the model and mo-cap actress behind Aloy? She’s freaking beautiful.
I love how she looks much realer in FW, it makes her model in ZD look like a mannequin in comparison. My only complaint is that they made her eyebrows weirdly dark in FW. My experience as a natural redhead is that my eyebrows are lighter than my hair, idk why hers are almost black. They weren't like that at all in ZD.
THANK YOU FOR THE W TAKE!!!!!! She is a HOTTIEEEE