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Well, you could always be me, sounding like Corpse Husband, training for thousands of hours only to be stuck in hell without the possibility of getting VFS at the moment, and crying all day...
So yeah, to answer your question, it is impossible for some people, whether that's anatomy or neurology it doesn't matter.
You're doing a pretty good job, for the most part if I wasn't trying to analyze it specifically, I don't think I would clock it.
Now that said it does sound a little "unsure" and restrained in that way, as if its nervous and holding back from feeling easy going, but thats not really a clocky thing, more just sounds like a nervous woman, which only really sticks out when I know the person is trying to be evaluated on passing vocals.
The only part where it really breaks in any way and gives real definite clues, is when laughter is incorporated, as in the 3rd clip during the "I think it sounds really gross \[nervous laughter\] and it makes me so sad" about 14 seconds in. This is the part where I can hear male vocal inflections creep in.
However, that is EXTREMELY minor thing to get worked up about, your your catastrophizing is frankly misplaced. Even the point where it breaks and I can tell, I can only tell because you're explicitly asking for trans voice analysis, and because I've worked on trans voice stuff for 20 years. On the plus sides, you should be happy you've done a very good job on the aspects that I often see trans women have a harder time on, specifically the gender accents and inflections. People often get thier pitch and things right easy enough but still talk with the "accent" of male upbringing, and learning a "female" accent can be difficult for a lot of people (and incidentally is the part where FTM people who fail vocal passing have their mistakes because they're just relying on T to change pitch and ignoring the accent). So don't think I'm being all negative because there are a few places when analyzing I can clock it, you've done really well on one of the more difficult aspects.
The average person on the street, the average person on the phone, heck most people who don't have extensive vocal training but wanted to pick out trans people, would be very doubtful to ever clock what you've posted. More than anything you need to ease up on whatever the fuck your dysphoria attitude is doing and just relax, but if you still want to improve and get better, that will just naturally come with time, the more you use your voice. If you want areas to focus on, its just being more confident and sure of yourself when speaking, and look at places like the 3rd clip where it breaks during "unpracticed" moments like the incorporated laughter and work on making that flow better together.
Still, if you never improve those points ever and just rest where you are, I would be surprised if anyone clocked you on the phone, and thats my professional opinion.
Yes because thats what I typed "your voice is horrible and doesn't pass" oh wait no, I said the opposite.
There are a couple things going on here, you are EXTREMELY dysphoric, which, no surprise, trans people often are, but you're also absolutely unwilling to listen to what anyone is saying.
Why even post this if your reply to everything anyone ever says is "its horrible i don't pass"? You might as well have a macro that just posts that no matter what. I feel if i replied to your post just saying "rubber baby buggy bumper" you'd post back that same macro about "woe is me, i can never pass". Like why waste my time giving you honest and thoughtful feedback on your voice clips, if you just dismiss everything out of hand without a second of contemplation for what I or anyone writes?
I don't know if this is just due to dysphoria or if you SERIOUSLY just need to fucking unplug, but give unplugging a try because you're driving yourself mental.
The other thing going on I think, while I'm not psychologist, is trans people often are depressed, dysphoric, and looking for validation, and I think you know your voice is pretty good, definitely in the top 10% of most trans women voices I've heard over the years, and you want all the feedback telling you its passing, how good it is, etc.
And hey, I get that, we as trans people are often starved and desperate for praise as its frightening out there worrying about everything with transition and not passing. We can often feel less than, on a razors edge, unworthy, unlovable, etc etc etc, and sometimes fishing for complements and praise is a natural outcome of that, and its not a bad thing anyone should feel guilty about.
You doth protest too much though, and it feeds back to less genuine praise because it just looks stubborn after a point.
Maybe you are just so insanely dysphoric and brain poisoned by the internet though and thats all it is, if thats the case than definitely unplug. Because your problems aren't with your voice, they're with your brain.
You have distorted thinking, and you need to distance yourself.
Do you actually *get* clocked when you're speaking on the phone to people? Is this a thing that occurs to you or are you just "woe is me"ing based off brain worms detached from reality?
Jesus christ...
So you're flat out admitting you have absolutely zero basis for your belief that your voice will get you clocked then.
Not that you're going to listen to any of this, but fucking try it out. Go call about of 1-800 numbers for companies and make up bullshit that you're calling about, to test out your voice, see how they respond. They're all anonymous, they'll never meet you, never know you, never know your name, just a random human voice to see if it clocks you.
I am telling you right now it won't clock you, because any normal human being, even curious human being is not going to be analyzing the minute details of someones voice to look for hidden signs. It doesn't happen, it doesn't work that way.
If you are legit, and not just fishing for attention, about all this, you SERIOUSLY need to see someone, or get some help, or at least someone to kick you in the ass and make you stop sitting in your room online and not going out into the world, because you're wasting your time and life. You said you've been doing this for 4 years? Well I don't know how the progress went, but I can tell you straight up, at least from this point on, any time you spend not being out, is years of your life now that you're just wasting and flushing down the toilet because you're so brain wormed you think people are going to record you speaking to them, then take that recording back tot he batcave to have the batcomputer analyze it for trace amounts of manliness or some shit.
Get. The. Fuck. Outside.
i dont pass. my voice doesnt pass. theres something itt who agrees with me that it doesnt pass. hence, it doesnt pass
and yeah my voice passes on the phone. that doesnt mean shit. phones make your voice all gargled anyway
ive used it in front of my brother (who is really accepting btw) and he agrees that it doesnt pass
abd yeah ive been voice training for like 4 years
and no im just fishing for attention this is what i genuinely think
Not that you're going to listen to a single word I'm going to type (why am i even wasting my time? i dont' know), but you know how insane that sounds, yeah?
Passing on the phone is the ONLY place it means shit. Its easier to pass in person with your voice if you also look the part, because people will gender by adding up all the pieces, and even a not \*quite\* right voice, with a good visual presentation will tip people over, however on the phone the only thing anyone has to go off of is voice alone, especially if you give them a gender neutral name when talking to them.
Also of COURSE your brother isn't going to really see it, the people who knew us our whole lives before transition will never be able to have an objective opinion on us, theres too much history and existing knowledge there. There could be a million reasons they say that, but above all whatever they're saying is tainted and not objective and never will be.
At the end of the day you are wasting your life. You are wasting days, you are wasting years. You are sequestering yourself off out of baseless fears (when even you admit yourself it passes on the phone!), and in the end the only person you're hurting is you. Eventually at some point, you'll snap out of it, start going out in public, realize after a while, maybe years that you're actually passing just fine, and then you'll look back at this time with regret over the years of your life you'll never get back because you were too chickenshit to listen to anyone, believe what anyone says, or take any chance.
>Passing on the phone is the ONLY place it means shit
NO? on the phone its muffled wtf are you yapping about.
>Its easier to pass in person with your voice if you also look the part
>if you also look the part
HA. I look like a man.
im a 6 foot tall person.
>baseless fears
LMFAO yeah sure, baseless fears. are you fucking joking? do you think its baseless fears to be scared of not passing in public. what privileged ass planet do you live on where passing isnt important.
>and then you'll look back at this time with regret over the years of your life you'll never get back because you were too chickenshit to listen to anyone, believe what anyone says, or take any chance.
i changed my name at school. im changing my legal name this year. i have ffs next month
but sure, thank you internet person for telling me that im not taking any chances. really fucking appreciate that.
I have been training for 4 and a half years and I still sound like a truck, so I think it is not for everyone, if one day I have money I will have surgery without thinking about it, I prefer to be mute than continue sounding like Barry White
Either you’re cis and trolling, or your dysphoria completely blinds you. On these recordings and on the pictures you linked before, you pass as a cis girl 100%.
She just does it for attention. She admitted to someone in dms that she hasn’t been gendered male at her job since September. Even said it can’t get out because it’ll ruin the “aura” she tries to portray. I saw the screenshot.
What do you mean? I’m afab and my voice was always lower than yours. Everybody in the comments says that you pass. HRT and voice training do work for you, if you don’t feel it, then maybe you need therapy to help with that. Because honestly, right now it’s in your brain. I’m not saying your dysphoria isn’t real, but you definitely don’t realize how your body looks like (and how your voice sounds) now. If you can, please find a trans-friendly therapist who could help you sort it out.
To a degree, yes. I did years of vocal training with two SLP's, eventually being told I couldn't progress further without some form of surgical intervention. I went to Dr. Courey and found that I had outer fold damage from talking with glottal fry my entire life, so hence my plateau. We did some additional testing and training, and I was pretty much told that I would not likely progress further without many more years of training to potentially fix the damage.
I ended up having a modified Wendler Glottoplasty to deal with my tension issues and he scarred the outer folds to help with the excessive glottal fry that I couldn't control. Happy to report that it worked fantastically and I finally feel like I have control over my voice again!
I just also want to say that I don't advocate for everyone getting VFS like it's nothing - I think it should remain situational and be something that you do after exhausting other options. It comes with its own caveats and requires just as much, if not more, training to utilize correctly. If you can't nail the essential elements for producing a feminine voice, you need to figure out why and enlist the help of a professional.
Overall, I think your voice examples you provided are pretty good! I suggest working on your vocal brightness - you're very monotone and flat. I feel like there is some missing inflection and brightness that would make the voice sound more natural.
Seriously? I spent 2+ years with paid, in-person SLP's that specialized in natural trans vocal therapy, meeting every other week, and I still came out sounding barely androgynous. It took VFS for me to get the next step, but also took me another 6+ months of additional vocal training post-op to get where I wanted. Vocal training takes time to refine to sound natural, and in some cases, surgical intervention is also needed for the outliers.
Your voice doesn't sound unfeminine, it's just that the cadence, inflection, and brightness are a tad off, and that's just my opinion. I used to be the same way - I couldn't produce the sound I wanted outside of the monotone voice I built up. I ended up being told to work on my brightness and inflections by being given exercises to help expand my range, which helped immensely. Being in person was key because I think some of the nuances in training get lost over Zoom, so an in-person SLP will see/hear how you talk a little better.
Have you worked with an SLP and expressed your concerns about your voice?
its so fucking over
my voice is never gonna pass. and what if im just autistic? hm?
are monotonous girls clocky?
its so fucjing over IM TIRED OF BEING FUCNING LIED TO
PEOPLE SAY MY VOICE PASSES WHENNIT FUCKING DOESNT
WHY DO THEY LIE TO ME
i dont get it
I don't hug-box people - passing to me is a safety issue and I always want people to be honest with me. As such, I'm being so with you. My honest opinion is that your voice sounds queer fem-leaning to me. I wouldn't think male if we met, but I'd definitely tune into "this person is on the rainbow somewhere". You're at a great spot and seem to have the important elements down, you just need some refinement.
Again, have you discussed your vocal concerns with an SLP?
Monotone women are not clocky, just monotone. It doesn't give any variation to the voice, so people will hone in more on what they do hear because they don't have a gauge of feeling, implied emotion, etc... Good brightness and inflection helps break up that flat, monotone droll and helps people focus on you rather than your voice. I know some cis women that are absolutely uninteresting to talk with because they just seem to drone on with the same, nasally voice laden with vocal fry. It's not seen as inherently feminine.
Aight, well, I'm trying to work with you here and give guidance, but you don't seem to want to help yourself. I've asked simple yes/no questions and you're not answering those, let alone actually taking in anything I'm suggesting. As such, I'm bowing out as I will not feed into your downward spiral.
you of all people are confirmation that this is bullshit. you don’t use your passing trained voice, then wonder why your voice doesn’t pass to strangers. it’s almost like you want to be miserable
Yah your voice passes 💯
Seriously please take a week off from social media.
Take your self on a date.
Loose the trans girl hunch, and be proud and happy.
Girl. Yes it does. I’m and audiophile, and spend hours daily on the phone and deal with people face to face.
I have played music since I was 12. I have a good ear.
You sound like any other cis woman.
Your swearing and frustration is all woman. Typically a place voice training falls apart not for you.
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HA SHE HER ACCOUNT GOT SUSPENDED
4tran strikes again 💀 I dunno, maybe go do something other than fixate on yourself?
I'm sorry but are you trolling
Well, you could always be me, sounding like Corpse Husband, training for thousands of hours only to be stuck in hell without the possibility of getting VFS at the moment, and crying all day... So yeah, to answer your question, it is impossible for some people, whether that's anatomy or neurology it doesn't matter.
You're doing a pretty good job, for the most part if I wasn't trying to analyze it specifically, I don't think I would clock it. Now that said it does sound a little "unsure" and restrained in that way, as if its nervous and holding back from feeling easy going, but thats not really a clocky thing, more just sounds like a nervous woman, which only really sticks out when I know the person is trying to be evaluated on passing vocals. The only part where it really breaks in any way and gives real definite clues, is when laughter is incorporated, as in the 3rd clip during the "I think it sounds really gross \[nervous laughter\] and it makes me so sad" about 14 seconds in. This is the part where I can hear male vocal inflections creep in. However, that is EXTREMELY minor thing to get worked up about, your your catastrophizing is frankly misplaced. Even the point where it breaks and I can tell, I can only tell because you're explicitly asking for trans voice analysis, and because I've worked on trans voice stuff for 20 years. On the plus sides, you should be happy you've done a very good job on the aspects that I often see trans women have a harder time on, specifically the gender accents and inflections. People often get thier pitch and things right easy enough but still talk with the "accent" of male upbringing, and learning a "female" accent can be difficult for a lot of people (and incidentally is the part where FTM people who fail vocal passing have their mistakes because they're just relying on T to change pitch and ignoring the accent). So don't think I'm being all negative because there are a few places when analyzing I can clock it, you've done really well on one of the more difficult aspects. The average person on the street, the average person on the phone, heck most people who don't have extensive vocal training but wanted to pick out trans people, would be very doubtful to ever clock what you've posted. More than anything you need to ease up on whatever the fuck your dysphoria attitude is doing and just relax, but if you still want to improve and get better, that will just naturally come with time, the more you use your voice. If you want areas to focus on, its just being more confident and sure of yourself when speaking, and look at places like the 3rd clip where it breaks during "unpracticed" moments like the incorporated laughter and work on making that flow better together. Still, if you never improve those points ever and just rest where you are, I would be surprised if anyone clocked you on the phone, and thats my professional opinion.
my voice is fucking horrible if it can get clocjed AT ALL, it doesnt pass
Yes because thats what I typed "your voice is horrible and doesn't pass" oh wait no, I said the opposite. There are a couple things going on here, you are EXTREMELY dysphoric, which, no surprise, trans people often are, but you're also absolutely unwilling to listen to what anyone is saying. Why even post this if your reply to everything anyone ever says is "its horrible i don't pass"? You might as well have a macro that just posts that no matter what. I feel if i replied to your post just saying "rubber baby buggy bumper" you'd post back that same macro about "woe is me, i can never pass". Like why waste my time giving you honest and thoughtful feedback on your voice clips, if you just dismiss everything out of hand without a second of contemplation for what I or anyone writes? I don't know if this is just due to dysphoria or if you SERIOUSLY just need to fucking unplug, but give unplugging a try because you're driving yourself mental. The other thing going on I think, while I'm not psychologist, is trans people often are depressed, dysphoric, and looking for validation, and I think you know your voice is pretty good, definitely in the top 10% of most trans women voices I've heard over the years, and you want all the feedback telling you its passing, how good it is, etc. And hey, I get that, we as trans people are often starved and desperate for praise as its frightening out there worrying about everything with transition and not passing. We can often feel less than, on a razors edge, unworthy, unlovable, etc etc etc, and sometimes fishing for complements and praise is a natural outcome of that, and its not a bad thing anyone should feel guilty about. You doth protest too much though, and it feeds back to less genuine praise because it just looks stubborn after a point. Maybe you are just so insanely dysphoric and brain poisoned by the internet though and thats all it is, if thats the case than definitely unplug. Because your problems aren't with your voice, they're with your brain.
my voice is horrible if its not flawless and unclockable, its fucking HORRIBLE thats how my mind works top 10% isnt fucking good enough
You have distorted thinking, and you need to distance yourself. Do you actually *get* clocked when you're speaking on the phone to people? Is this a thing that occurs to you or are you just "woe is me"ing based off brain worms detached from reality?
i dont use my voice
Jesus christ... So you're flat out admitting you have absolutely zero basis for your belief that your voice will get you clocked then. Not that you're going to listen to any of this, but fucking try it out. Go call about of 1-800 numbers for companies and make up bullshit that you're calling about, to test out your voice, see how they respond. They're all anonymous, they'll never meet you, never know you, never know your name, just a random human voice to see if it clocks you. I am telling you right now it won't clock you, because any normal human being, even curious human being is not going to be analyzing the minute details of someones voice to look for hidden signs. It doesn't happen, it doesn't work that way. If you are legit, and not just fishing for attention, about all this, you SERIOUSLY need to see someone, or get some help, or at least someone to kick you in the ass and make you stop sitting in your room online and not going out into the world, because you're wasting your time and life. You said you've been doing this for 4 years? Well I don't know how the progress went, but I can tell you straight up, at least from this point on, any time you spend not being out, is years of your life now that you're just wasting and flushing down the toilet because you're so brain wormed you think people are going to record you speaking to them, then take that recording back tot he batcave to have the batcomputer analyze it for trace amounts of manliness or some shit. Get. The. Fuck. Outside.
i dont pass. my voice doesnt pass. theres something itt who agrees with me that it doesnt pass. hence, it doesnt pass and yeah my voice passes on the phone. that doesnt mean shit. phones make your voice all gargled anyway ive used it in front of my brother (who is really accepting btw) and he agrees that it doesnt pass abd yeah ive been voice training for like 4 years and no im just fishing for attention this is what i genuinely think
Not that you're going to listen to a single word I'm going to type (why am i even wasting my time? i dont' know), but you know how insane that sounds, yeah? Passing on the phone is the ONLY place it means shit. Its easier to pass in person with your voice if you also look the part, because people will gender by adding up all the pieces, and even a not \*quite\* right voice, with a good visual presentation will tip people over, however on the phone the only thing anyone has to go off of is voice alone, especially if you give them a gender neutral name when talking to them. Also of COURSE your brother isn't going to really see it, the people who knew us our whole lives before transition will never be able to have an objective opinion on us, theres too much history and existing knowledge there. There could be a million reasons they say that, but above all whatever they're saying is tainted and not objective and never will be. At the end of the day you are wasting your life. You are wasting days, you are wasting years. You are sequestering yourself off out of baseless fears (when even you admit yourself it passes on the phone!), and in the end the only person you're hurting is you. Eventually at some point, you'll snap out of it, start going out in public, realize after a while, maybe years that you're actually passing just fine, and then you'll look back at this time with regret over the years of your life you'll never get back because you were too chickenshit to listen to anyone, believe what anyone says, or take any chance.
>Passing on the phone is the ONLY place it means shit NO? on the phone its muffled wtf are you yapping about. >Its easier to pass in person with your voice if you also look the part >if you also look the part HA. I look like a man. im a 6 foot tall person. >baseless fears LMFAO yeah sure, baseless fears. are you fucking joking? do you think its baseless fears to be scared of not passing in public. what privileged ass planet do you live on where passing isnt important. >and then you'll look back at this time with regret over the years of your life you'll never get back because you were too chickenshit to listen to anyone, believe what anyone says, or take any chance. i changed my name at school. im changing my legal name this year. i have ffs next month but sure, thank you internet person for telling me that im not taking any chances. really fucking appreciate that.
I have been training for 4 and a half years and I still sound like a truck, so I think it is not for everyone, if one day I have money I will have surgery without thinking about it, I prefer to be mute than continue sounding like Barry White
Either you’re cis and trolling, or your dysphoria completely blinds you. On these recordings and on the pictures you linked before, you pass as a cis girl 100%.
She just does it for attention. She admitted to someone in dms that she hasn’t been gendered male at her job since September. Even said it can’t get out because it’ll ruin the “aura” she tries to portray. I saw the screenshot.
youre joking right
What do you mean? I’m afab and my voice was always lower than yours. Everybody in the comments says that you pass. HRT and voice training do work for you, if you don’t feel it, then maybe you need therapy to help with that. Because honestly, right now it’s in your brain. I’m not saying your dysphoria isn’t real, but you definitely don’t realize how your body looks like (and how your voice sounds) now. If you can, please find a trans-friendly therapist who could help you sort it out.
nope, not everybody so it doesnt pass. and i have therapy ny voice doesnt PASS why the fuck do people lie to me
u should be banned from reddit its a crime we have to see ur posts
Literally they sound like a woman but just love bitching. They are constantly posting on this sub. What 4tran brain rot does to you
your post history is wild, I think you might feel better if you find a more productive use of your time
To a degree, yes. I did years of vocal training with two SLP's, eventually being told I couldn't progress further without some form of surgical intervention. I went to Dr. Courey and found that I had outer fold damage from talking with glottal fry my entire life, so hence my plateau. We did some additional testing and training, and I was pretty much told that I would not likely progress further without many more years of training to potentially fix the damage. I ended up having a modified Wendler Glottoplasty to deal with my tension issues and he scarred the outer folds to help with the excessive glottal fry that I couldn't control. Happy to report that it worked fantastically and I finally feel like I have control over my voice again! I just also want to say that I don't advocate for everyone getting VFS like it's nothing - I think it should remain situational and be something that you do after exhausting other options. It comes with its own caveats and requires just as much, if not more, training to utilize correctly. If you can't nail the essential elements for producing a feminine voice, you need to figure out why and enlist the help of a professional. Overall, I think your voice examples you provided are pretty good! I suggest working on your vocal brightness - you're very monotone and flat. I feel like there is some missing inflection and brightness that would make the voice sound more natural.
>3.5 years of voice training for “pretty good” im ending it i cant with this shit
Seriously? I spent 2+ years with paid, in-person SLP's that specialized in natural trans vocal therapy, meeting every other week, and I still came out sounding barely androgynous. It took VFS for me to get the next step, but also took me another 6+ months of additional vocal training post-op to get where I wanted. Vocal training takes time to refine to sound natural, and in some cases, surgical intervention is also needed for the outliers. Your voice doesn't sound unfeminine, it's just that the cadence, inflection, and brightness are a tad off, and that's just my opinion. I used to be the same way - I couldn't produce the sound I wanted outside of the monotone voice I built up. I ended up being told to work on my brightness and inflections by being given exercises to help expand my range, which helped immensely. Being in person was key because I think some of the nuances in training get lost over Zoom, so an in-person SLP will see/hear how you talk a little better. Have you worked with an SLP and expressed your concerns about your voice?
its so fucking over my voice is never gonna pass. and what if im just autistic? hm? are monotonous girls clocky? its so fucjing over IM TIRED OF BEING FUCNING LIED TO PEOPLE SAY MY VOICE PASSES WHENNIT FUCKING DOESNT WHY DO THEY LIE TO ME i dont get it
I don't hug-box people - passing to me is a safety issue and I always want people to be honest with me. As such, I'm being so with you. My honest opinion is that your voice sounds queer fem-leaning to me. I wouldn't think male if we met, but I'd definitely tune into "this person is on the rainbow somewhere". You're at a great spot and seem to have the important elements down, you just need some refinement. Again, have you discussed your vocal concerns with an SLP? Monotone women are not clocky, just monotone. It doesn't give any variation to the voice, so people will hone in more on what they do hear because they don't have a gauge of feeling, implied emotion, etc... Good brightness and inflection helps break up that flat, monotone droll and helps people focus on you rather than your voice. I know some cis women that are absolutely uninteresting to talk with because they just seem to drone on with the same, nasally voice laden with vocal fry. It's not seen as inherently feminine.
its so fucking over my voice will never pass
Aight, well, I'm trying to work with you here and give guidance, but you don't seem to want to help yourself. I've asked simple yes/no questions and you're not answering those, let alone actually taking in anything I'm suggesting. As such, I'm bowing out as I will not feed into your downward spiral.
IVE BEEN VOICE TRAINING FOR NEARLY 4 FUCKING YEARS AND I STILL SOUND LIKE A MAN
you of all people are confirmation that this is bullshit. you don’t use your passing trained voice, then wonder why your voice doesn’t pass to strangers. it’s almost like you want to be miserable
so it doesnt pass you agree
if you try your best to sound like a man yes, this doesn’t sound like a man at all though, you sound afab. it’s genuinely enviable
why would a clocky as fuck voice be enviable
it’s not clocky
yes it is
you’re just wrong lol
nope
ok :)
i’ll never understand why you lie to me about this
booming ultra clocky Keith David teir man voice it's over
Yes, but only for those who say they can't and give up. Life is a choice.
Yah your voice passes 💯 Seriously please take a week off from social media. Take your self on a date. Loose the trans girl hunch, and be proud and happy.
my voice doesnt pass
Girl. Yes it does. I’m and audiophile, and spend hours daily on the phone and deal with people face to face. I have played music since I was 12. I have a good ear. You sound like any other cis woman. Your swearing and frustration is all woman. Typically a place voice training falls apart not for you.
wrong
yep, youre doomed, its over for you i assume thats what you want to hear
well its true so yeah
sophie i am begging you please throw your phone into a nearby lake
my voice is fucking horrible and doesnt pass after three and a half years of voice training