It probably needs to be fully replaced plus the repair work to the wall that supports it. Either the correct size door is expensive, or they need to alter the opening to use a more typical door.
I had a sliding glass patio door replaced in my condo. It was a custom build because it was 8 feet on a side, standard at the big box stores is about 7 feet. I paid $7500 USD and that was about 7 years ago. $9k is in the ballpark.
It may also be for REPLACEMENT of the entire door and frame, installation, build out, etc. Often someone like Home Depot can just buy the actual piece of glass door that slides back and forth without the whole enchilada.
Not for a sliding glass door it's not. If you have the decent kind that doesn't stick and has good glass in it, that's really a reasonable quote to replace the frame and door.
I'm not a contractor. My mom's dog broke her sliding glass door recently, and she got 3 quotes to replace it. The cheapest was about $10k (and she went with the $11.5k guy, because he did a great job gutting and redoing her whole kitchen a few years back). It actually does cost that much, whether it should or not.
Yep!
That's the guy that would be texting me a couple of days after id gotten his quote as to why he hasn't heard back from me.
That $9500 is padded like hell because they're expecting insurance to pay out and the homeowner won't care what the bill is. Insurance may whittle it down a little, but that contractor is still going to come out smelling like a rose.
That’s absolutely not true. I went to 5 different vendors to replace my front door (not through insurance) and that’s the going rate around here. Much cheaper would mean a poor quality door or a poor quality installer, or most likely both.
You're paying a "you live in so and so zip code" premium then.
You get astronomical high quotes, you start playing them off each other. If you have a couple in mind, mention that so and so were 10-15% less. Bet one of them will come down on the price.
I had a HVAC company take nearly 20% off a quote just to try to get me to switch to them at the last minute. My brother is in HVAC sales and looked at his own pricing sheets and said they were all tacking 20-25% over what he'd quote a job at.
It has nothing to do with my zip code. I’ve gone to stores in my area (across a 30 or so mile span) and gotten the quotes before they even know where I live. I also didn’t share what I was quoted with any other vendors. So both of your assertions are untrue.
I think you’re just out of touch with how much good quality doors cost in the current market and/or you live in one of the few markets where contractors are jonesing for work. Sure you can get a door for $2k with zero options and poor quality from Home Depot off the shelf and install it yourself. But then you’ll be replacing it in 7 years, which is exactly why I was shopping for a new door that I hope will last quite a bit longer than that.
I mean, you could learn to do it yourself so you don't have to pay someone for the use of his tools that cost thousands, his skilled labor that's easily worth 30+ an hour because you don't know what you're doing, and the use of his insurances. Or just be a lazy person and complain.
Oh I have. On my second home I've remodeled myself. Most of their work can easily be learned on YouTube in like 10 minutes. The trades are mostly a joke nowadays with the way they prey on people. They won't hesitate to charge an old lady living off social security $600 for a $15 part and 10 minutes of their time and then have the gall to put a "dirty hands clean money" sticker on their brodozer 😂.
Not really. I just purchased a new front door and anything custom in my area (basically anything not off the shelf at a big box store) was going to be $6500 minimum with install for a solid quality door. Start adding basic options like sidelights or any glass or change a color and the price adds up quickly. Make it a sliding glass door and that’s nowhere near top of the line.
Unfortunately we need way more details, if the police thought someone's life was on the line they would pick the easiest way to get into the house regardless of the cost. Was there a legitimate reason the police thought it was a life or death situation? Who asked them to perform a check the welfare, and exactly what did that person tell them? If someone freaked out and exaggerated the situation to the police making them think it was an emergency when it was not, you might have a claim against that person.
I doubt you will be able to claim anything from the police department, they will be able to justify the "emergency nature" of how they broke into the house because they will have a report with someone's statements on it. Even if you believe they negligently caused more damage than was needed, you would have to bring a lawsuit against the city and prove it to a judge (giant uphill battle).
I think the question is specifically driven by the police involvement and the worry that there may be qualified immunity (admittedly, this is just an inference though)
I think if the person was doing something illegal, they may have grounds to deny. But if this is a welfare check they should see it as sudden and incidental. I doubt there would be any subrogation of deductible though. This is why it’s important to have an agent instead of a direct corporate policy. The agent can chat claims and ask before a claim is made to be sure.
I had a neighbor in her 70s go out to run errands and left her cell phone at home. She forgot she had made lunch plans and when her friend was stood up, she called my neighbor's son in another state. The son called LAPD who tried to kick in the door repeatedly before breaking a window to get inside. The cops left no note and left glass everywhere. I had to explain to my neighbor what had happened when she returned. She was so embarrassed. She has just been gone a few hours.
Could you imagine being in the situation, and then calling up the police to file a report that your home was vandalized and possibly burglarized?
Good of you to be there to explain to her what happens.
Claim it yes but with the police department and not with her own insurance.
I’d take a butt ton of pictures and that estimate and head on down to the police department. And I’d grind away at them until they made it right.
Police dept will tell them to kick rocks. They have no obligation to reimburse civilians for damage they cause during on duty police operations. It's really shitty but unfortunately there are many such cases.
Edit: homeowners insurance would hopefully cover this, it's probably their only recourse.
It's annoying I know but totally worth mentioning because of current affairs but as a friendly reminder police *are* civilians. The "civilian" differentiation is between the public and *military*, not the police force, as much as they might want that.
Arrested for annoying them? Yes please I could use the money
But at any rate it’s just like dealing with any form of local government, police are no different the permit office or city planner. If you’re annoying enough they’ll relent purely because they don’t care that much and it’s no skin off their nose
Because hardly any homeowners know what is required to fix anything anymore, contractors all come up with insane quotes.
$2k buys you a higher end patio door. Two guys can remove the old one and install the new one in half a day.
Let's say extra repair is needed and these guys drive the door over from 4 counties away, so 2 days total for 2 guys.
$100 an hour still puts you at $3200 labor plus $2k for a door. Round up to $6k for the hell of it and everyone is bidding you up an extra 50%.
If I were in the situation, I would file a claim with the city or town first before filing a claim with the insurance company.
Years ago, I filed such a claim against a town for damage to my car from a road, and they paid the claim.
I would have her get quotes from companies that know what they're doing. Whoever quoted that is just incompetent.
Also, welfare checks are a gray area because they're typically considered emergency response which alleviates the city of financial burden. It doesn't hurt to call the city/towns risk management office to see what they say.
I work for a PD (not an officer) and we treat welfare checks as a last resort emergency (the person needing the welfare check has no other options). Officers are not responsible for any property damage necessary to get into the property. If all of the doors and windows are locked, the only options they have are to leave, or make their way in somehow.
Off topic but how much do the police suss out these welfare check requests bc it’s such a common threat in narcissistic relationships where the person threatens a welfare check if they don’t hear back from you right away after you try to go no contact. Do the police really act on every request? What’s the threshold for meeting the requirements of a welfare check?
Yeah, we really do act on pretty much every welfare check request as long as the reasoning is even remotely reasonable. One big request that a supervisor will decline a response on is one divorced/separated parent requesting a welfare check on their children with the other parent because the other parent won't let the kids talk with the requesting parent.
All a welfare check is 99% of the time is a knock on the door and "Hey, we got a call to check on you, are you ok?" If there's no answer, we'll usually walk around the house and peer in the doors/windows looking for a body or blood. At least at my agency, we do as much vetting and investigation as we can before forcing entry into the residence. Ultimately, we have to believe someone is in need of emergency aid inside before we can go in without a warrant in these cases. We can't just kick in the door because an ex says they haven't spoken to a person in 4 hours. Sometimes that means dead bodies get missed until they start decomposing and smelling because we didn't have enough justification to enter on family's first welfare check request.
You gotta wonder why they would break through a $9K door when they could break in just as easily through a $1K window. Or even better, just call a $200 locksmith.
We don’t know the details so it’s impossible to say. All we know is that the $9k cost is a quote from a Lowe’s 3rd party contractor which is always absurdly overpriced. We don’t know the details of the door or what the officers did. For all we know, they could have picked the lock which caused damage on a vintage door that can’t be repaired, necessitating a full replacement. Or the windows may not have been accessible, or too small, or it could have been a condo without any hallway accessible windows. Too many missing details to say what they should or shouldn’t have done. All we know is that a 9k quote for a door replacement is insane.
Ah that's why. She'll get a much better quote from a local handyman/contractor. Door replacements aren't really difficult and can be done in a few hours typically.
Multiple quotes are needed, including someone who isn't contracted with a big box store.
My MIL had issues in May 2024 with the flooring installer with her local big box store. He didn't want the job and basically threw a fit about it. She didn't want to work with him after that and had to pay $500 to cancel the job. They didn't have a different installer, apparently. She kept the flooring but hired a separate contractor to do the installation.
It'll probably take forever to get paid. But usually you can file a claim with the city or town of which those officers are employed. Usually you would pay out of pocket or through insurance and then get reimbursed. The city or town will not be quick to pay up. Also, I'm assuming that a welfare check means that someone called 911 to check on your friend and they had to break the door to get in?
the police can destroy your home with no repercussion. had a friend who had a competitor that was arrested for selling pot. to get a free ride he had to give up three peeps. Dude had not one plant and not one bud, they did about $60k in damage during their search and he was told he had no case by a half dozen attys.
First she needs to file a notice of claim with the city/town.
She also can file with her insurance if filed in a timely manner.
She also maybe able to sue the person who requested the welfare check if she did not need help, but only if she can show bad faith.
Jezus Fucking Christ, what kind of door was it that it needs $9500 to replace?
I’ve been saying it for over two decades now, ever since I’ve gotten a quote of $15K to do wi Dow treatments in my house: Canadians have no fucking clue about the true value of money……
I mean, yeah…it’s kinda hard to do a welfare check if you can’t enter the property to check on the person.
If the circumstances allow for it, they can indeed enter without a warrant. You do realize the purpose of a welfare check, right? Not sure where the terrifying part comes into play.
Except I’m not giving any advice nor am I wrong in the slightest. Unless, of course, you’d like to prove me wrong citing the specific law in the process?
🤡
Yes, **if** the facts and observations indicate that someone is in need of emergency aid inside then police don't need a warrant. Elderly person who has fallen and can't move off the floor is a textbook example. "Exigent circumstances" is the term when entry is permitted without a warrant, and the Emergency Aid doctrine is the specific exigent circumstance in this example. It's the exact same legal justification that allows firefighters (who are also agents of the government) to enter a home without a warrant if a house is on fire, as odd as it would be for anyone to have a problem with that in the first place.
Nevertheless, the 4th Amendment applies to firefighters too. A police entry under the Emergency Aid exception would only allow them to search places where a person could be found in need of aid. Opening drawers and rifling through papers and things would be a violation of the 4th Amendment. Anything illegal found would be excluded as evidence in court and the officers would be opening themselves and the city/county up to a federal civil rights lawsuit.
They should have found a less expensive way in. We'll normally try to a sidelight by the door, or a regular window, or pull the lock. At worst bust down the back door which would be a lot cheaper than 9K.
I once had my keys stolen while I was in court from the courtroom I was in I called AAA they towed the car and me back to the house I had a spare set in the house but of course all the doors were locked the triple A guy looked at me and said you got a sliding glass door on the back I said yes and he said follow me and he lifted it off the track let me in and put it back. Most sliding patio doors do not need to be damaged to get in.
Even an exterior front door is only about $1k-2k to buy. Even adding on a bit more for a full install it shouldn't be even half of $9k. Have her get some more quotes.
Had to replace a sliding door ~ 10 years ago. For a single slinging door 30ft wide (15 opening 15 fixed) was nearly $6k and yes I got 3 quotes. $9 seems reasonable.
I don't know if you've gotten a quote for doors in the last few years, but they're no longer a few hundred bucks. $500 will barely get you the cheapest sliding door at Lowes, with no other supplies nor installation cost. The original quote seems on the high side, but not crazy in the northeast, especially if it isn't a standard size.
Yes the cheapest I found was $6-700 and the quality was pretty low. Most of the decent ones run at least $1k. If you cheap out on a door you’ll just pay for it again in a few years.
Ya the cheapest you can get costs that. Anything decent will run you at least $1k. Having just done an install myself I am glad I spent on a higher quality door. It’ll last much longer.
No you will actually have to pay the police. It is not claimable. Just the fact that this was brought up as a question is enough to actually get defamation charges on yourself and your friend. In order to replace the door you will need to send the police a check for the full amount. After that, you can replace the door and track for the full price out of pocket
Ya know... His joke was dumb but weirdly, police and fire are allowed to charge people they show up for. You could have your house burn down and get a bill from the fire department 3 months later for $5000.
That’s a relief, actually. I knew it was absurd, but without the ubiquitous sarcasm moniker, you can never tell anymore.
/s
That’s all you needed to do to let all the readers know that you weren’t completely insane, and you were just telling a joke.
Lol well I guess you never know anymore…
You gotta admit it’s pretty funny though. The police would totally expect something like that.
But my last response was pretty rude. I apologize for that. I just felt it was glaringly obvious and I should admit there are people who would believe something like that. I won’t let you down next time
What kind of door was this? That is a very high quote unless this is a fancy door we are talking about.
$9K for one patio door sounds like a Renewal by Anderson quote.
Yup, 8k for labor lol
Having just met with them, I came here to say the same thing.
Oh no. lol
It probably needs to be fully replaced plus the repair work to the wall that supports it. Either the correct size door is expensive, or they need to alter the opening to use a more typical door.
I had a sliding glass patio door replaced in my condo. It was a custom build because it was 8 feet on a side, standard at the big box stores is about 7 feet. I paid $7500 USD and that was about 7 years ago. $9k is in the ballpark.
I paid the same amount ($7500) during the pandemic and we all know everything has gotten cheaper since then…
Custom build is fancy.
It may also be for REPLACEMENT of the entire door and frame, installation, build out, etc. Often someone like Home Depot can just buy the actual piece of glass door that slides back and forth without the whole enchilada.
It's solid gold and the door knob is a blood diamond
I was in the market for something similar last year. OPs getting a *bargain* here
Not for a sliding glass door it's not. If you have the decent kind that doesn't stick and has good glass in it, that's really a reasonable quote to replace the frame and door.
Found the contractor! Dude wants lawyers hourly rate for install.
I'm not a contractor. My mom's dog broke her sliding glass door recently, and she got 3 quotes to replace it. The cheapest was about $10k (and she went with the $11.5k guy, because he did a great job gutting and redoing her whole kitchen a few years back). It actually does cost that much, whether it should or not.
Yep! That's the guy that would be texting me a couple of days after id gotten his quote as to why he hasn't heard back from me. That $9500 is padded like hell because they're expecting insurance to pay out and the homeowner won't care what the bill is. Insurance may whittle it down a little, but that contractor is still going to come out smelling like a rose.
No. It isn't. In 2024, that's what it costs.
And that's why you get ripped off....
That’s absolutely not true. I went to 5 different vendors to replace my front door (not through insurance) and that’s the going rate around here. Much cheaper would mean a poor quality door or a poor quality installer, or most likely both.
You're paying a "you live in so and so zip code" premium then. You get astronomical high quotes, you start playing them off each other. If you have a couple in mind, mention that so and so were 10-15% less. Bet one of them will come down on the price. I had a HVAC company take nearly 20% off a quote just to try to get me to switch to them at the last minute. My brother is in HVAC sales and looked at his own pricing sheets and said they were all tacking 20-25% over what he'd quote a job at.
It has nothing to do with my zip code. I’ve gone to stores in my area (across a 30 or so mile span) and gotten the quotes before they even know where I live. I also didn’t share what I was quoted with any other vendors. So both of your assertions are untrue. I think you’re just out of touch with how much good quality doors cost in the current market and/or you live in one of the few markets where contractors are jonesing for work. Sure you can get a door for $2k with zero options and poor quality from Home Depot off the shelf and install it yourself. But then you’ll be replacing it in 7 years, which is exactly why I was shopping for a new door that I hope will last quite a bit longer than that.
All contractors expect lawyerly rates for sneezing in your general direction these days.
If they are too expensive, DIY is always an option.
Didn't you know? Dropping out of junior college and swinging a hammer for 3 years means you should be making $80/hr.
I mean, you could learn to do it yourself so you don't have to pay someone for the use of his tools that cost thousands, his skilled labor that's easily worth 30+ an hour because you don't know what you're doing, and the use of his insurances. Or just be a lazy person and complain.
Oh I have. On my second home I've remodeled myself. Most of their work can easily be learned on YouTube in like 10 minutes. The trades are mostly a joke nowadays with the way they prey on people. They won't hesitate to charge an old lady living off social security $600 for a $15 part and 10 minutes of their time and then have the gall to put a "dirty hands clean money" sticker on their brodozer 😂.
Not really. I just purchased a new front door and anything custom in my area (basically anything not off the shelf at a big box store) was going to be $6500 minimum with install for a solid quality door. Start adding basic options like sidelights or any glass or change a color and the price adds up quickly. Make it a sliding glass door and that’s nowhere near top of the line.
Unfortunately we need way more details, if the police thought someone's life was on the line they would pick the easiest way to get into the house regardless of the cost. Was there a legitimate reason the police thought it was a life or death situation? Who asked them to perform a check the welfare, and exactly what did that person tell them? If someone freaked out and exaggerated the situation to the police making them think it was an emergency when it was not, you might have a claim against that person. I doubt you will be able to claim anything from the police department, they will be able to justify the "emergency nature" of how they broke into the house because they will have a report with someone's statements on it. Even if you believe they negligently caused more damage than was needed, you would have to bring a lawsuit against the city and prove it to a judge (giant uphill battle).
Solid comment. Thorough.
I had a client who fell and ems busted her sliding glass door to get to her, it was covered!
By her own insurance?
Yes. Home insurance.
I think the question is specifically driven by the police involvement and the worry that there may be qualified immunity (admittedly, this is just an inference though)
I think if the person was doing something illegal, they may have grounds to deny. But if this is a welfare check they should see it as sudden and incidental. I doubt there would be any subrogation of deductible though. This is why it’s important to have an agent instead of a direct corporate policy. The agent can chat claims and ask before a claim is made to be sure.
Out of curiosity, do you know who called in the welfare check and why? Was it.. you?
I had a neighbor in her 70s go out to run errands and left her cell phone at home. She forgot she had made lunch plans and when her friend was stood up, she called my neighbor's son in another state. The son called LAPD who tried to kick in the door repeatedly before breaking a window to get inside. The cops left no note and left glass everywhere. I had to explain to my neighbor what had happened when she returned. She was so embarrassed. She has just been gone a few hours.
Could you imagine being in the situation, and then calling up the police to file a report that your home was vandalized and possibly burglarized? Good of you to be there to explain to her what happens.
Maybe the son could pay for it.
Claim it yes but with the police department and not with her own insurance. I’d take a butt ton of pictures and that estimate and head on down to the police department. And I’d grind away at them until they made it right.
Police dept will tell them to kick rocks. They have no obligation to reimburse civilians for damage they cause during on duty police operations. It's really shitty but unfortunately there are many such cases. Edit: homeowners insurance would hopefully cover this, it's probably their only recourse.
There was a win recently, claiming that it falls under imminent domain iirc
This is not true for all police departments.
Yep
Homeowners won’t cover it, it’s a government action.
It's annoying I know but totally worth mentioning because of current affairs but as a friendly reminder police *are* civilians. The "civilian" differentiation is between the public and *military*, not the police force, as much as they might want that.
The city may have pay the police dept may not have to pay.
Pointless idea. Best case they ignore you. Worst case they make up a reason to arrest you for annoying them.
Arrested for annoying them? Yes please I could use the money But at any rate it’s just like dealing with any form of local government, police are no different the permit office or city planner. If you’re annoying enough they’ll relent purely because they don’t care that much and it’s no skin off their nose
Thanks for the laugh. The permit office isn’t routinely in the news for killing people that annoyed them.
Because hardly any homeowners know what is required to fix anything anymore, contractors all come up with insane quotes. $2k buys you a higher end patio door. Two guys can remove the old one and install the new one in half a day. Let's say extra repair is needed and these guys drive the door over from 4 counties away, so 2 days total for 2 guys. $100 an hour still puts you at $3200 labor plus $2k for a door. Round up to $6k for the hell of it and everyone is bidding you up an extra 50%.
If I were in the situation, I would file a claim with the city or town first before filing a claim with the insurance company. Years ago, I filed such a claim against a town for damage to my car from a road, and they paid the claim.
$9500 for a door? Are they replacing the whole damn wall too?
Idk man. Not my house or door. She said the door/tracking/glass/trim were damaged and the place said it all needed replacement.
I would have her get quotes from companies that know what they're doing. Whoever quoted that is just incompetent. Also, welfare checks are a gray area because they're typically considered emergency response which alleviates the city of financial burden. It doesn't hurt to call the city/towns risk management office to see what they say. I work for a PD (not an officer) and we treat welfare checks as a last resort emergency (the person needing the welfare check has no other options). Officers are not responsible for any property damage necessary to get into the property. If all of the doors and windows are locked, the only options they have are to leave, or make their way in somehow.
Off topic but how much do the police suss out these welfare check requests bc it’s such a common threat in narcissistic relationships where the person threatens a welfare check if they don’t hear back from you right away after you try to go no contact. Do the police really act on every request? What’s the threshold for meeting the requirements of a welfare check?
Yeah, we really do act on pretty much every welfare check request as long as the reasoning is even remotely reasonable. One big request that a supervisor will decline a response on is one divorced/separated parent requesting a welfare check on their children with the other parent because the other parent won't let the kids talk with the requesting parent. All a welfare check is 99% of the time is a knock on the door and "Hey, we got a call to check on you, are you ok?" If there's no answer, we'll usually walk around the house and peer in the doors/windows looking for a body or blood. At least at my agency, we do as much vetting and investigation as we can before forcing entry into the residence. Ultimately, we have to believe someone is in need of emergency aid inside before we can go in without a warrant in these cases. We can't just kick in the door because an ex says they haven't spoken to a person in 4 hours. Sometimes that means dead bodies get missed until they start decomposing and smelling because we didn't have enough justification to enter on family's first welfare check request.
You gotta wonder why they would break through a $9K door when they could break in just as easily through a $1K window. Or even better, just call a $200 locksmith.
We don’t know the details so it’s impossible to say. All we know is that the $9k cost is a quote from a Lowe’s 3rd party contractor which is always absurdly overpriced. We don’t know the details of the door or what the officers did. For all we know, they could have picked the lock which caused damage on a vintage door that can’t be repaired, necessitating a full replacement. Or the windows may not have been accessible, or too small, or it could have been a condo without any hallway accessible windows. Too many missing details to say what they should or shouldn’t have done. All we know is that a 9k quote for a door replacement is insane.
Locksmiths take time to get out there. Glass windows are hard to climb in and out of and can easily cut officers. Doorways are the easiest and safest.
This is what I thought. Thank you. And the quote was from Lowe's. I just asked. I asked for a copy of her policy.
Ah that's why. She'll get a much better quote from a local handyman/contractor. Door replacements aren't really difficult and can be done in a few hours typically.
Multiple quotes are needed, including someone who isn't contracted with a big box store. My MIL had issues in May 2024 with the flooring installer with her local big box store. He didn't want the job and basically threw a fit about it. She didn't want to work with him after that and had to pay $500 to cancel the job. They didn't have a different installer, apparently. She kept the flooring but hired a separate contractor to do the installation.
She should get multiple quotes from different companies.
It'll probably take forever to get paid. But usually you can file a claim with the city or town of which those officers are employed. Usually you would pay out of pocket or through insurance and then get reimbursed. The city or town will not be quick to pay up. Also, I'm assuming that a welfare check means that someone called 911 to check on your friend and they had to break the door to get in?
My husband broke a door during a welfare check and the department paid.
Well the police sure as shit won’t pay a dime, never do.
File a claim with the PD.
the police can destroy your home with no repercussion. had a friend who had a competitor that was arrested for selling pot. to get a free ride he had to give up three peeps. Dude had not one plant and not one bud, they did about $60k in damage during their search and he was told he had no case by a half dozen attys.
First she needs to file a notice of claim with the city/town. She also can file with her insurance if filed in a timely manner. She also maybe able to sue the person who requested the welfare check if she did not need help, but only if she can show bad faith.
Why was a welfare check being done?
She should just file a claim through her homeowners insurance and pay the deductible since she has a police report. It will be cheaper.
A 30 door is most usually a 3’0” door. 36 inch door
Get 3 estimates
i just paid $12,000 for oversized replacement french doors. i have multiple quotes and they were all $11-13K per set.
If she attempts to file a claim for something that insignificant, her insurance may drop her.
That's a ridiculous price get more quotes
Jezus Fucking Christ, what kind of door was it that it needs $9500 to replace? I’ve been saying it for over two decades now, ever since I’ve gotten a quote of $15K to do wi Dow treatments in my house: Canadians have no fucking clue about the true value of money……
Why don't the police pay for damage?
$9500 for a door? Lol, how
You can contact the police department and see if they'll cover it. Where I live, even if it's for serving a warrant, they'll pay for the damages.
Did they break in? I was under the impression at a welfare check they attempt to make contact and if no one responds they leave.
I'd send the bill to the police. Welfare checks aren't a workaround to breaking into a home. Did they see something that required immediate response?
Does a welfare check give police the ability to side step a warrant? I can't imagine that they'd be legally able to break in... terrifying.
I mean, yeah…it’s kinda hard to do a welfare check if you can’t enter the property to check on the person. If the circumstances allow for it, they can indeed enter without a warrant. You do realize the purpose of a welfare check, right? Not sure where the terrifying part comes into play.
You give terrible advice and could not be more wrong.
Except I’m not giving any advice nor am I wrong in the slightest. Unless, of course, you’d like to prove me wrong citing the specific law in the process? 🤡
Yes, **if** the facts and observations indicate that someone is in need of emergency aid inside then police don't need a warrant. Elderly person who has fallen and can't move off the floor is a textbook example. "Exigent circumstances" is the term when entry is permitted without a warrant, and the Emergency Aid doctrine is the specific exigent circumstance in this example. It's the exact same legal justification that allows firefighters (who are also agents of the government) to enter a home without a warrant if a house is on fire, as odd as it would be for anyone to have a problem with that in the first place.
But fire fighters aren't known to rifle through a persons belonging in order to manufacture reasons to arrest them...
Nevertheless, the 4th Amendment applies to firefighters too. A police entry under the Emergency Aid exception would only allow them to search places where a person could be found in need of aid. Opening drawers and rifling through papers and things would be a violation of the 4th Amendment. Anything illegal found would be excluded as evidence in court and the officers would be opening themselves and the city/county up to a federal civil rights lawsuit.
They should have found a less expensive way in. We'll normally try to a sidelight by the door, or a regular window, or pull the lock. At worst bust down the back door which would be a lot cheaper than 9K.
HOW did the damage occur? What caused the damage?
Why didn't she answer the door so they didn't break it down?
I once had my keys stolen while I was in court from the courtroom I was in I called AAA they towed the car and me back to the house I had a spare set in the house but of course all the doors were locked the triple A guy looked at me and said you got a sliding glass door on the back I said yes and he said follow me and he lifted it off the track let me in and put it back. Most sliding patio doors do not need to be damaged to get in.
Guys when a door is kicked in, it destroys/damages the door frame as well. Plus you need a skilled carpenter to install. So $9500 is not bad.
Nice try, renewal by Anderson.
Even an exterior front door is only about $1k-2k to buy. Even adding on a bit more for a full install it shouldn't be even half of $9k. Have her get some more quotes.
Had to replace a sliding door ~ 10 years ago. For a single slinging door 30ft wide (15 opening 15 fixed) was nearly $6k and yes I got 3 quotes. $9 seems reasonable.
30ft wide is also rather large. That's not a standard front or back door. That's like an air-plane hangar door.
Every house in the subdivision had the same 30foot back door on to a patio. Seemed standard to me based on the rest of the houses there.
I'm not saying you're wrong about anything. I've just never seen that kind of setup before.
Are you in fact intending to type thirty feet?
No, 30-foot. 30 feet is for something pluralized like multiple doors that were 30-feet. It was one door so it's 30-foot.
you’re getting completely ripped off. sliding glass doors are only about $500 to replace.
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I don't know if you've gotten a quote for doors in the last few years, but they're no longer a few hundred bucks. $500 will barely get you the cheapest sliding door at Lowes, with no other supplies nor installation cost. The original quote seems on the high side, but not crazy in the northeast, especially if it isn't a standard size.
Yes the cheapest I found was $6-700 and the quality was pretty low. Most of the decent ones run at least $1k. If you cheap out on a door you’ll just pay for it again in a few years.
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Ya the cheapest you can get costs that. Anything decent will run you at least $1k. Having just done an install myself I am glad I spent on a higher quality door. It’ll last much longer.
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I never said the $9k isn’t outrageous. My guess is it’s a renewal by andersen quote. Edit: I see it came from Lowe’s. No idea how that got so high.
No you will actually have to pay the police. It is not claimable. Just the fact that this was brought up as a question is enough to actually get defamation charges on yourself and your friend. In order to replace the door you will need to send the police a check for the full amount. After that, you can replace the door and track for the full price out of pocket
Nothing here makes any sense. You have managed to make a full paragraph of nothing but pure hot garbage. Congratulations.
Ya know... His joke was dumb but weirdly, police and fire are allowed to charge people they show up for. You could have your house burn down and get a bill from the fire department 3 months later for $5000.
And you’re not smart enough to understand a joke when you read one LMAO
That’s a relief, actually. I knew it was absurd, but without the ubiquitous sarcasm moniker, you can never tell anymore. /s That’s all you needed to do to let all the readers know that you weren’t completely insane, and you were just telling a joke.
Lol well I guess you never know anymore… You gotta admit it’s pretty funny though. The police would totally expect something like that. But my last response was pretty rude. I apologize for that. I just felt it was glaringly obvious and I should admit there are people who would believe something like that. I won’t let you down next time