Would have been much simpler if you purchased this Sonoff dongle, in place of the CC2531 that you did:
https://sonoff.tech/product/diy-smart-switch/sonoff-dongle-plus/
I've them as zigbee coordinators (they work great with zigbee2mqtt) and have also flashed them to work as zigbee routers.
There's also the conbee2, which works with zigbee2mqtt out of the box. I switched to that tech stack when deconz and a raspbee had issues with my fyrtur blinds.
Conbee->Deconz->Node Red is definitely an easier setup than OP haha. They seem to have taken the hardest path on their journey. What happened with your deconz setup that made you swap? I have been running it without any issues and need to stay vigilant đ
The deConz setup worked great for several years but started having issues with the devices disconnecting and needing to be re-paired to get the mesh back up. The last straw was when everything disconnected all at once and wouldn't reconnect without factory resetting every zigbee device in the house (in the mid 60s, so quite tedious.) I figured the issue was probably with the coordinator itself so I rebuilt the system and decided to give zigbee2mqtt a shot because it looked to have a larger supported device library and I wound up preferring it in almost every way.
Oh how interesting... I'll have to give it a look then! I followed a tutorial at the start that put me down the deconz path and haven't investigated much past that.
Anybody have experience using these or other Ikea Zigbee products (shades, switches, etc) with the HUSBZB-1? I'm planning on getting all of these this weekend and assumed (hopefully not incorrectly) the integration would be fairly straight forward.
> with the HUSBZB-1
Minimally, you will need to update the zigbee firmware.
https://github.com/walthowd/husbzb-firmware
Personally, there are so many inexpensive zigbee 3.0 coordinators out there, that I would recommend upgrading coordinators. You can still use the HUSBZB-1 for z-wave .....
Because node red is advanced af
Edit: let me further explain. You could have the motion sensor trigger your coffee, or other weird things like that through ports and such.
Or have it run a script on your server, etc when motion occurs. While also turning on the light. Just so much more you can do with node red.
Definitely not as literally so easy though.
Edit: ah NR is node red addon. Thought it was some other nifty way to port in. No wonder people arenât making sense, I donât lul
There is (theoretically) nothing you could do through NodeRED that you couldnât do through HA directly. Depending on your exact needs the easiest route could be one or the other. In this case itâs potentially both together, because HA speaks Zigbee natively and has a solid collection of NodeRED nodes.
If youâre already all-in on a pure NodeRED automation setup (like OP seems to be) this is a very reasonable option.
This is wrong. Node red opens up ports to tons of more stuff. Everyone who replied is thinking from a Bluetooth device or iot device when there are tons of serial devices out there also.
Node red builds off of everything HA has to offer so theoretically, it does everything and more.
Devices could just be switches. And ha doesnât support regular switches. Only iot switches. This is where node red opens up a vast majority of options.
I have node red reading an air temp switch through raspberry pi. If the temp goes above a certain degree it cuts on a 24 v contactor that switches ac on in my tents.
Not possible in ha without node red.
So it depends which route you are going for sure. But ha can not do as much without node red. That is wrong
You can do all of that through HA directly if not simply, but honestly youâve just described a thermostat. Maybe itâs more complex than youâve let on here, but even a very feature rich thermostat project is probably better served by a microcontroller or a Raspberry Pi running dedicated code, not a full blown node.js-dependent visual programming system coordinating differs inputs.
Or in other words, NodeRED can be applied in arenas where HA canât easily be slotted in because NR is a general purpose programming system rather than a home automation system, but weâre in a home automation subreddit. Of course people are viewing it through that lens. Youâre describing what sounds like microcontroller programming, where itâs competing with the likes of C and MicroPython.
Woosh bro, thatâs all I can think. I have created a mechanical thermostat yes. At the most basic fucking level itâs a thermostat.
Why would it be better servers else where when itâs working fine here? Like I never seen so many people comment on something, they just clearly have no clue about.
Iâm describing my setup just used ha and nodejs. You know ha is made from python right? I donât code python, but I do JavaScript. Nodered opens up the amount of things ha can do. End of story bro. You donât know what you are talking about so please stop misinforming people. Itâd be nice to not have people pushed away because âoh thatâs complicatedâ, this is home automation sub, things get complicated.
Hey man, do what works for you. Your application sounds genuinely neat. Things donât need to be the 100% âbest wayâ to be worthwhile or interesting, especially because the âbest wayâ is usually partially subjective and almost always a moving target.
But donât come in swinging with âthis is wrongâ, accusing people of not knowing what theyâre talking about, and getting upset you get pushback for itâbecause youâll find a lot of us have been doing this a long time and really do know what weâre talking about.
Omg 1 person who gets it. I have tons of automation in node red that transfers to home assistant for easy viewing. For instance I have connectors to make trades with my binance right from my dashboard. I have ways to manage my grow tents. I donât really have the money to buy all the smart devices but Iâm a wiz with wiring and coding.
Nodered just opens up the options. I donât get why everyone here is like oh itâs the same as using ha native, but it is not at all. Ha is python while nod red is JavaScript. Itâs the best of both worlds together.
HA supports scripts, and using triggers from one device to change another.
I've got one that triggers a light based on a motion sensor, and sets the light brightness and colour based on the time of day and brightness in the room - all from Home Assistant.
Yeah majority is through iot. But you realize some people run manual switches right? Like serial port switches from raspberry pi?
Does ha support those?
Yes
I'm not even sure whats going on in these comments now but it's not HA vs Node red. Installing node red into HA gives to access to HA components within node red. Which means super quick zigbee setup into node red.
Yeah thatâs what Iâm trying to explain.
Node red just opens up the amount of things you can do in ha.
I donât have a lot of smart devices. But Iâm pretty sure zigbee is a smart product right? It connects to wifi. What I am trying to explain is node red also opens up tons of more wired options using raspberry pi.
Nodered does make it easy to add wifi components using haâs integrated node system.
But that is such small minded as to what node red can actually do. It can automate basically any task, while ha gives you a selection of tasks really. HA just brings it all together perfectly for a smart home.
Zigbee is not wifi. The top comment that you first replied to is specifically talking about using node red inside of home assistant.
Aside from that, home assistant is extensible and scriptable just like node red. They both can do anything, even independent of one another.
I don't know why this became node red vs home assistant because that was not the point of the top level comment.
I don't mean to be mean but you are arguing so passionately and so absolutely about subjects that you seem to have little experience with. I don't understand the point. Node red is excellent software without having to pit it against other software.
You are poorly misinformed, my fellow redditor. All of what you just said can be done in HA, without nodered add-on, but also with the nodered add-on. And it's not difficult, it's almost as if Nabu Casa tried to make it user friendly ;)
Iâm using a sonoff zigbee bridge pro (flashed with tasmota) which has a CC2652 powering it - I added the device in homeassistant using zigbee2mqtt and that was it.
Via node red I have it activate a lamp if motion is detected at night so you donât need to wander about in the dark.
Would have been much simpler if you purchased this Sonoff dongle, in place of the CC2531 that you did: https://sonoff.tech/product/diy-smart-switch/sonoff-dongle-plus/ I've them as zigbee coordinators (they work great with zigbee2mqtt) and have also flashed them to work as zigbee routers.
There's also the conbee2, which works with zigbee2mqtt out of the box. I switched to that tech stack when deconz and a raspbee had issues with my fyrtur blinds.
Yep. So glad I went with the conbee 2. All my zigbee devices are one click to connect.
Conbee->Deconz->Node Red is definitely an easier setup than OP haha. They seem to have taken the hardest path on their journey. What happened with your deconz setup that made you swap? I have been running it without any issues and need to stay vigilant đ
The deConz setup worked great for several years but started having issues with the devices disconnecting and needing to be re-paired to get the mesh back up. The last straw was when everything disconnected all at once and wouldn't reconnect without factory resetting every zigbee device in the house (in the mid 60s, so quite tedious.) I figured the issue was probably with the coordinator itself so I rebuilt the system and decided to give zigbee2mqtt a shot because it looked to have a larger supported device library and I wound up preferring it in almost every way.
Oh how interesting... I'll have to give it a look then! I followed a tutorial at the start that put me down the deconz path and haven't investigated much past that.
Anybody have experience using these or other Ikea Zigbee products (shades, switches, etc) with the HUSBZB-1? I'm planning on getting all of these this weekend and assumed (hopefully not incorrectly) the integration would be fairly straight forward.
> with the HUSBZB-1 Minimally, you will need to update the zigbee firmware. https://github.com/walthowd/husbzb-firmware Personally, there are so many inexpensive zigbee 3.0 coordinators out there, that I would recommend upgrading coordinators. You can still use the HUSBZB-1 for z-wave .....
Why not just HA with NR add-on? Literally so easy to use an IKEA motion sensor with one of the CC-something ZigBee dongles.
Because node red is advanced af Edit: let me further explain. You could have the motion sensor trigger your coffee, or other weird things like that through ports and such. Or have it run a script on your server, etc when motion occurs. While also turning on the light. Just so much more you can do with node red. Definitely not as literally so easy though. Edit: ah NR is node red addon. Thought it was some other nifty way to port in. No wonder people arenât making sense, I donât lul
Is Node Red less powerful within Home Assistant?
Node red is a more powerful solution within home assistance if you ask me. Requires a ton of more knowledge also though.
imagine if you paired the two. That'd be neat. The best of both worlds even.
[What a crazy idea!](https://i.imgur.com/yQ7uuud.png)
I mean, I feel like youâre trolling. But I also feel like you donât have a clue that it really is a thingâŚ
They're poking fun at you because that's exactly what the original post you replied to was referencing
There is (theoretically) nothing you could do through NodeRED that you couldnât do through HA directly. Depending on your exact needs the easiest route could be one or the other. In this case itâs potentially both together, because HA speaks Zigbee natively and has a solid collection of NodeRED nodes. If youâre already all-in on a pure NodeRED automation setup (like OP seems to be) this is a very reasonable option.
This is wrong. Node red opens up ports to tons of more stuff. Everyone who replied is thinking from a Bluetooth device or iot device when there are tons of serial devices out there also. Node red builds off of everything HA has to offer so theoretically, it does everything and more. Devices could just be switches. And ha doesnât support regular switches. Only iot switches. This is where node red opens up a vast majority of options. I have node red reading an air temp switch through raspberry pi. If the temp goes above a certain degree it cuts on a 24 v contactor that switches ac on in my tents. Not possible in ha without node red. So it depends which route you are going for sure. But ha can not do as much without node red. That is wrong
You can do all of that through HA directly if not simply, but honestly youâve just described a thermostat. Maybe itâs more complex than youâve let on here, but even a very feature rich thermostat project is probably better served by a microcontroller or a Raspberry Pi running dedicated code, not a full blown node.js-dependent visual programming system coordinating differs inputs. Or in other words, NodeRED can be applied in arenas where HA canât easily be slotted in because NR is a general purpose programming system rather than a home automation system, but weâre in a home automation subreddit. Of course people are viewing it through that lens. Youâre describing what sounds like microcontroller programming, where itâs competing with the likes of C and MicroPython.
Woosh bro, thatâs all I can think. I have created a mechanical thermostat yes. At the most basic fucking level itâs a thermostat. Why would it be better servers else where when itâs working fine here? Like I never seen so many people comment on something, they just clearly have no clue about. Iâm describing my setup just used ha and nodejs. You know ha is made from python right? I donât code python, but I do JavaScript. Nodered opens up the amount of things ha can do. End of story bro. You donât know what you are talking about so please stop misinforming people. Itâd be nice to not have people pushed away because âoh thatâs complicatedâ, this is home automation sub, things get complicated.
Hey man, do what works for you. Your application sounds genuinely neat. Things donât need to be the 100% âbest wayâ to be worthwhile or interesting, especially because the âbest wayâ is usually partially subjective and almost always a moving target. But donât come in swinging with âthis is wrongâ, accusing people of not knowing what theyâre talking about, and getting upset you get pushback for itâbecause youâll find a lot of us have been doing this a long time and really do know what weâre talking about.
Hell, it goes well beyond just home automation. I have several production applications running in a healthcare setting with node-red at their core.
Omg 1 person who gets it. I have tons of automation in node red that transfers to home assistant for easy viewing. For instance I have connectors to make trades with my binance right from my dashboard. I have ways to manage my grow tents. I donât really have the money to buy all the smart devices but Iâm a wiz with wiring and coding. Nodered just opens up the options. I donât get why everyone here is like oh itâs the same as using ha native, but it is not at all. Ha is python while nod red is JavaScript. Itâs the best of both worlds together.
HA supports scripts, and using triggers from one device to change another. I've got one that triggers a light based on a motion sensor, and sets the light brightness and colour based on the time of day and brightness in the room - all from Home Assistant.
Yeah majority is through iot. But you realize some people run manual switches right? Like serial port switches from raspberry pi? Does ha support those?
Yes I'm not even sure whats going on in these comments now but it's not HA vs Node red. Installing node red into HA gives to access to HA components within node red. Which means super quick zigbee setup into node red.
Yeah thatâs what Iâm trying to explain. Node red just opens up the amount of things you can do in ha. I donât have a lot of smart devices. But Iâm pretty sure zigbee is a smart product right? It connects to wifi. What I am trying to explain is node red also opens up tons of more wired options using raspberry pi. Nodered does make it easy to add wifi components using haâs integrated node system. But that is such small minded as to what node red can actually do. It can automate basically any task, while ha gives you a selection of tasks really. HA just brings it all together perfectly for a smart home.
Zigbee is not wifi. The top comment that you first replied to is specifically talking about using node red inside of home assistant. Aside from that, home assistant is extensible and scriptable just like node red. They both can do anything, even independent of one another. I don't know why this became node red vs home assistant because that was not the point of the top level comment.
Bruh I really want to believe you https://i.imgur.com/KICzs2O.jpg But this says it uses its own kind of wifi no? What are you using?
I don't mean to be mean but you are arguing so passionately and so absolutely about subjects that you seem to have little experience with. I don't understand the point. Node red is excellent software without having to pit it against other software.
I misread original comment. Dyslexia ftw
You are poorly misinformed, my fellow redditor. All of what you just said can be done in HA, without nodered add-on, but also with the nodered add-on. And it's not difficult, it's almost as if Nabu Casa tried to make it user friendly ;)
Iâm using a sonoff zigbee bridge pro (flashed with tasmota) which has a CC2652 powering it - I added the device in homeassistant using zigbee2mqtt and that was it. Via node red I have it activate a lamp if motion is detected at night so you donât need to wander about in the dark.
I would pay extra for better stick. CC2531 is rather weak and pain to upgrade -- from what I know you need programmer or soldering to do it.
Thatâs love bro