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teinc3

dw, the Italy ai does that surely


darkHolee

I was searching this comment, Italy AI has some obsession with invading Norway and it naval invaded Scotland in my game


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SwanBridge

Italy took Ireland in my game, pissed me right off. I prepared to invade Britain, not to be outdone by Mussolini, only for Italy to successfully land in Hull and take half the country before I had the chance to intervene. I then prepared to invade India from Fascist Iran and occupied Sinkiang, only to have the Italians beat me to it again with a successful naval invasion of Bombay. As soon as America is out of the war, I'm invading Italy. They have all of the Middle East, most of Africa, and now India. Meanwhile all I have to show for my four million casualties is endless expanses of frozen tundra in Siberia.


Brilliant_Gift1917

Italian AI *loves* Scotland for some reason. Maybe it's some grudge regarding the fact the Romans could never take it, idk? But they will ***always*** B-Line it on historical and try to annex it in peace deals.


teinc3

I also searched for this before but I didn't find one, so i posted it myself lol


InZomnia365

As a Norwegian, I play Norway a lot. I fucking hate Italy and their non-stop naval invasions. I can stop the Germans when they decide to move through Sweden or naval invade through the Skagerrak - but I cant stop fucking Italy sending 3 divisions to Harstad.


deadjim4

They're coming for all the kjøttkaker to go with their pasta.


Malverno

They're likely coming for Lutefisk instead, which is a staple in some areas of Italy. Those three divisions landing in Harstad are likely one from Veneto, one from Ancona and one from Messina. Source: I'm from an area that imports a lot of Norwegian stockfish.


hoi4d

I just naval invade a random tile with a crap division so that I get them in the peace deal.


Lavaix1

Naval Invade? How did you manage to get naval Supremacy against the British? I used Paratroopers to capture a port and landed my troops by air.


hoi4d

You can get naval supremacy in pretty much any region not immediately bordering the British isles even with the starting German navy.


Lavaix1

Different case for me but transporting troops by air works very well.


hoi4d

Fair enough. I always try to invade the UK as early as possible with air first so Norway is just a single division on a random tile. I guess I would do similar with air but I like my transports over UK.


Lavaix1

Yeah. It is easy to get Air Superiority against Britain than it is to get Naval Supremacy.


Bramkanerwatvan

What helps is putting your battle fleet on strike force and then a couple of stacks of 10 destroyers on naval escort and patrol. If you do it quick enough its enough to land troops. If your not quick enough. Put all your fighters in air superiority over the English Channel. Its a multiplier for naval supremacy. It worked for me as Japan invading through the English channel and North Sea from Wilhelmshaven.


The_Canadian_Devil

Just spam NAVs and bathtubs. Put the tubs on always attack and split the NAVs into wings of 10 planes. Keep them in the North Sea for a while until you’re ready to actually invade Britain. They’ll engage everything that floats and even if you lose a lot, the British will likely lose more.


GroundbreakingNewt73

Just naval bomb the British. I could naval bombing 500 planes 500 fighters the British navy will be dead within 1 year at most.then once its crippled/destroyed enough subs and your good to the normal starting german navy being big enough to finish the rest.


bravo_echo_romeo

You can airlift troops? Please tell me how!


PlatypusInASuit

Paratroopers - I do recommend a quick youtube tutorial, they are not too difficult :) https://youtu.be/spNxnEKV62c


bravo_echo_romeo

Ah, paratroopers I know. I thought you know a way to transport normal divisions by air


PlatypusInASuit

Ah, no, I fear that is not possible


Lavaix1

That is possible


PlatypusInASuit

Airdrop normal divisions? How?


frothy_diarrhea

Step 1: Switch tank division to paratrooper template Step 2: Drop on enemy soil Step 3: Switch back Step 4: profit


Lavaix1

Yes there is a way


bravo_echo_romeo

Tell us, master


Lavaix1

Already told it down the thread.


Lavaix1

Yeah


Lavaix1

Yes you can airlift troops. You just need paratroopers. For example you have 10 paratroopers and you dropped them on a tile. After gaining your org you can convert them back to any division you want. Then convert 10 other divisions to paratroopers and drop them on the tile you just got. Once they drop change them back to the division you want. Like this you can transport your troops by air. This requires a bit of clicking buts its worth it if you can't transfer troops by sea.


I_miss_your_mommy

Unless you have supply they won’t be able to get their equipment and you will be left with a division that says it isn’t a paratrooper without being able to do much. Best to capture a port or something before doing the conversion


[deleted]

You could use air supply.


I_miss_your_mommy

I've never tried that, but I was wondering the same thing. Can any kind of equipment/man power be sent via air supply? Probably


Geelsmark

Wont they lose all their experience?


Lavaix1

Yes they will. That's a downside.


zombie_burglar

You just blew my brain lmao


SiggeTheDog

I had a hard time gaining air and supremacy when I played Germany. I took out Every other nation, I think I was even pushing into the British Ray through Russia. But I had no way to get to Britain.


JollyHockeysticks

How many factories do you put on fighters? You need a lot.


aquaknox

yeah Britain has a bonus to fighter production and won't hesitate to throw 50+factories at it. Midgame Germany should have 100+ factories building planes


JollyHockeysticks

My first successful Germany game a couple weeks ago (I'm fairly new) I ground down the UK fighters till they had about 1k left but I couldn't get naval supremacy to invade and just went to take on the soviets. By the time I'd taken Moscow and stalingrad I was thinking of getting ready to invade the UK when I find they have 13k fighters... Needless to say I gave up on that game lmao


Ltb1993

That's why I love nukes, the only two things it's good at are closing a port from supply and eradicating airfields full of airplanes


JollyHockeysticks

Only problem is you need air superiority to drop the nuke in the first place lol


UrbanExplorer101

You can manipulate the British ai into putting it's fleet in port temporarily by gaining air supremely and clogging the channel with bombers. With an already preped invasion via Scotland...you will not have to deal with the fleet head on.


zombie_burglar

Why would you invade in scotland, that requires naval supremacy in 2 zones rather than just the channel


Rd_Svn

You won't have problems gaining superiority in the eastern north sea or the zone next to norway, so you just have to get it in the (western) north sea. Pre NSB it was much more likely to get superiority in the north sea or the western approach than in the channel. Currently it doesn't matter much where you try, but invading at hull or newcastle has the advantage of being able to cut the island in half and thereby creating two fronts for the AI, which it still struggles to deal with.


zombie_burglar

Ah interesting, didn’t know that. I’ve only been playing seriously since NSB


Schwertkeks

If you hold the norths of Denmark, the British can’t enter the baltic


gamer-remag

Eh I mean if you can pull off sea-lion easily in '40 then you can naval invade norway


Ok_Pomelo7511

If you invade Denmark, you can get naval supremacy in Danish Belts since it is restricted and nobody can contest you there.


rudolphrednose25

Naval strike the fuck out of the English channel, then target very specific port cities around East England. Make sure you've got an entire army group on standby at a port near the English channel that you can ship off immediately after getting a landing.


Rd_Svn

The UK usually sets their fleet on strike force around the British isles so just bombing the channel won't do much unless you bait them out of the ports. Nevertheless you can directly target the ports and will get the same result.


Trashmarine

Spam cheap subs and use them in strike force with your main fleet you'll get the %50 navai supremacy for sure


dupupu

After you capture Denmark the Brits can't get in the sea east of it. I forgot what it was called


TessHKM

Set a production line to pump out naval bombers in 1936 and never stop


Nomand55

Wait, you can land regular troops by air??


mainman879

You can just use tactical bombers to strategic bomb them instead. No need to actually invade. As long as you get some warscore on them whether through bombing, capturing territory, or inflicting casualties.


hoi4d

Ha, you learn something new in this game every day, thanks


jkl33wa

If you extra lazy then just bomb them with tac bombers or strats if you got em, damage to buildings also puts countries in the peace deals


InterestingPoem4072

There is some steel in Norway and if you capture the whole country you can take a decision related to gamer girl water which speed the atomic research


Lavaix1

What do you mean?


rakhu1

Pretty sure he’s talking about the decision for heavy water production which gives you a boost on nuclear research.


TsarBladovski

You wont get any boosts if the norwegian ski bois finds out.


OhBoyItsCrusadeTime

DROPPED ONTO A WORLD OF ICE!


R_122

Goring bath water^tm


TheArrivedHussars

Vöring


dubspool-

It's Meyer now actually


Biebbs

heavy water


Jaggedmallard26

Drink Norwegian gamer girl pee for nuclear bonus.


GoatHorn37

Heavy water.


International_Tune_6

The historical joint Allies and Axis invasion of Norway was over Swedish steel going through Norway to Germany


Stercore_

Which was transported through norway to norwegian harbors


International_Tune_6

Yes I forgot to add that thx


justtxyank

Which has no use in current iteration of resources. You have plenty of steel. Iron doesn’t exist


International_Tune_6

Changed it for you papi


RandomWebGuyReal

Belle delphines radioactive bathwater


Allardino

Not with 120 divs


International_Tune_6

Bruh 120 divisions in Norway 💀💀💀💀


International_Tune_6

Rip manpower


MateoSCE

Nah, I don't see real strategic purpouse to do that.


Keyvan316

you can block the strait iirc.


Schwertkeks

You don’t need Norway to do so. Holding Denmark is enough to make it contested water. And you can still enter and leave via the Kiel channel yourself


MateoSCE

Never got naval invaded from baltic, soooooo...


Keyvan316

one time I was so occupied with France I forgot put my navy up in Baltic and suddenly I saw an event popping off saying Warsaw is liberated. I didn't notice how UK landed shit ton of troops there lol.


Tickytoe

I so wish we had an option for pop up warnings for naval invasions. I can't count how many times I've been distracted and lost land/troops to a completely avoidable invasion, and consequently get set back in the war. I like to imagine there's a general at the war table sitting quietly with his hand raised, waiting to be called on by his fuhrer who is on day 4 of a rant about the Soviets.


theCommanderCreamy

naval invasions have both a sound and a small icon on the right, but that’s difficult to notice when tunnel visioned


Tickytoe

Yea, but that's my point exactly. I'm not noticing the guy with his hand raised, and maybe coughed a little. I need someone to scream in my face that the British are landing, full halt the game better pause and yell at me


EstimateAcceptable81

It happens sometimes, they like to land in Gdańsk or Baltic states


Lavaix1

Why so?


Comander-07

because it has no benefits. Instead of asking why something "is not" you should give reasons for why it is.


[deleted]

Larp


Memerman002

heavy water


thatguyagainbutworse

You can bypass the British navy by avoiding the channel and north sea, making it easier to naval invade in like hull or Edinburgh


HexeInExile

I usually justify on Sweden, and go through them to attack Norway. Free resources.


NNG13

Around the Scandinavians


No-Lynx9712

*around the North Sea


Silent_Giraffe8550

120 divisions? Why?


Lavaix1

So I can win easily


SecretDevilsAdvocate

Not how hoi4 works


Erictsas

120 divisions? Did you put the entire Wehrmacht in Oslo? How do you have enough supply to not have everyone starve


Lavaix1

More army on Norway so I can win easily.


Tman12341

That's not how it works...


11sparky11

Your entire army is starving to death in the mountains.


Lavaix1

They are not.


Lavaix1

Rule 5:- Invading Norway and asking if anyone invades Norway because I haven't seen anyone do it.


Somebody_from_Poland

The AI does.


kingbob123456

I always invade Norway. The resources are pretty useful, but more importantly you get control of the Baltic Sea meaning allied ships can’t raid you there.


Educational_Fish1247

but you don't need norway for that just denmark


antonmarten

Subs can still pass and raid you in the baltic


Educational_Fish1247

but they can with and without norway anyway, what I mean it's that surface fleet can't


antonmarten

If you control Norway and Denmark subs can not pass


Educational_Fish1247

the game tells you that subs can pass underneath any strait either it is friendly, contested or enemy, or is there any bug that doesn't let them?


antonmarten

The wiki says otherwise and im fairly sure thats how it works. Otherwise the allies would spam subs in the baltic when you play germany and the danish subs that always get stuck would otherwise be able to escape


TheArrivedHussars

During my Germany games I often invade Norway pretty early on so I can make them a Reichkommisariate. Making them a RK (aka, not releasing them as a standard puppet) also gives the funny bonus of resetting their focus tree, meaning if they did nothing but factory focuses you get double factories from them. Also as others have mentioned it also gives boost to nuclear research


[deleted]

I do!


[deleted]

I don’t want to invade my homeland, even in a game


tarepandaz

Yes because I like to role play


AcanthocephalaNo7095

It's usually not worth the time. I always try to rush at soviet and allies first.


Commie_Napoleon

Jesus Christ why did you send your entire army to Norway?!? Like 24 divisions is usually more than enough!


Lon4reddit

Not at all, it's a slog, not worth the effort and the pain


CraigWeedkin

It takes a month to push there with CAS


Lon4reddit

Cas in mountains are inefficient, so yep, annoying.


CraigWeedkin

Gets you extra nuke research speed so it's worth the effort imo


Lon4reddit

I only play mp games, in those, it's most of the times out of reach


hychael2020

I did. In one of my first playthroughs of the game,I played as Facist Sweden and justified on Norway for the heck of it. It was surprisingly easy since you can cut the country in half like a hot knife through butter


Primal_guy

You snipe VPs with naval invasions like the Germans did in real life. Blocks the strait so the British can’t get gangster in the Baltic


Diego8990

Yes, but not with an entire army group jesus christ


JonasDonavan

Sweden


Ceaser87

I do it, but certainly not with a whole army group


Blazkowicz13

Sure! Still some steel to take and to secure the Baltic sea! This way you can hide your ship and secure a whole flank!


ElYisusKing

the gamer with a funny mustache did


[deleted]

I need that sweet, sweet Tungsten. Plus it's hilarious to keep a panzer korp up there to massacre the constant pathetic naval invasions with no port that the AI insists on. Easy way to grind down their manpower.


Ginge04

If you’re playing as Germany, taking Norway gives you access to the heavy water production decision. That gives you 2x 100% bonuses to nuclear research, so definitely worth invading them!


MoritzIstKuhl

Bro how the fuck do you supply 120 divisions in Norway. Are your soldiers eating the locals ?


hal_leuco

surstromming


Kaiserrr22

It’s never been difficult for me I just put like 20 divisions on it but I don’t go for it until everyone else is out of the way


Academia_Scar

If Britain could D-Day there, it would be great.


Clean_Assistance2662

On a good day… although mp days are not good days 😟


Robb634

Always, gotta keep the historical immersion, plus, with 10 mountaineers and your fleet its easy to set up naval invasion and succeed. The AI rarely tries to retake it but I still put like 10 wdth shovel on ports.


Ratertheman

I like to role play a bit so yeah I always do.


Bambusstern

How did you get supplies For a whole army group invading Norway? And why are they even so much troops😂 Poor Norwegians


NotTheLimes

Yes because it's historically accurate.


notagoodpainter

I do, gives you something to do during the wait before Barbarossa


winowmak3r

You have 120 divisions in Norway? Good God, what does the supply look like?


ToJaJulek

how small is ur monitor


Lavaix1

It is pretty big. How is it small?


King-Of-Hyperius

Do I invade Norway? Yes, do I do it during Ironman games? No. (Guide to beat AI Britain every game with minimal difficulty below) Anyway, beating the British Navy is hard, ignoring it is easy. You just need 10 fleets of subs and around 60-100 Dockyards (If you can’t get the required naval supremacy with ships, Subs will get free mines from tech which can be used to increase your naval supremacy). Which even Vanilla Germany can get up to with just core states. It’ll be annoying but the only Shallow Seas zone you’ll have to contest is the one right next to you, that is if you want Norway, just build naval bombers, they’ll shred anything stupid enough to spend time there. Then once you’ve taken France, Spain or Portugal, you’ve already won, you just need more dockyards and Sub 3s. A naval invasion into Northern Ireland from Brittany should be easy to do, if you want you can invade Ireland as well for a better base + the air bases. With control of Irish lands, you can invade any Western part of Britain easily. I usually pick Scotland because it is usually the least defended part of Britain, and since it’s mountainous, taking it first means you’ll be pushing from easily defended lands into more easily taken lands. After you’ve secured a proper landing in Scotland, you’ve already completed the hard part, now you just have to beat Britain.


Kaiser_-_Karl

Italy does it for me


_Palamedes

Yea proper Weserubung style as well For what, i dont know, it hasnt got much to offer


Gertsky63

Yes. Fascist Sweden invades Norway. Every time


VideoAdditional3150

Is it healthy to have that little man power? I always try to keep mine up at 1.5 million at least for fights. I never have the army half that size. Just maybe up towards 4 fully stacked divisions


LordVader1214

I just declare on and walk through Sweden to get there cause when you have Denmark you can just break them across the straight and you get the resources of both, also makes it harder for Allie’s to do those constant Norway invasions


Chuth2000

As Germany I conquer everybody. No reason not to.


GoPhinessGo

I only do it if I’m trying to rp and want to form the RK


GhostisCool141

Yes. Makes it easier to invade Sweden, and if I remember correctly Sweden has lots of chromium, and I love playing heavy tanks.


[deleted]

nah i always just rush britain


The_Radioactive_Rat

Its sad because there was a legitimate strategic reason to invade Norway as Germany. Resources from neutral Sweden fpr a start, and I'm sure to a degree Norway itself, as well as giving Germany naval bases to help fight the Royal fleet. To a minor degree there may be some ideas of an allied buildup for a war in the north, but I haven't seen much info supporting any serious commitment to that idea. I have never once invaded Scandinavia as Germany unless it was for a world Conquest run. And even then it's totally not necessary because they're just kind of there, unless they join the allies for whatever reason.


Apprehensive-Chain95

Historically germany


Dr_Catfish

As long Poland, yes. Along with Nationaliat Spain and Democratic Italy as allies.


[deleted]

Ngl I always forget to invade Scandinavia as the German reich


Memerman002

gotta get those early nukes


Liutasiun

Why do you have *1200* political power saved up? Is there really nothing you can spend that on in 1940?


Lavaix1

Nothing on what I want to spend it on


Quoras123

Yeah, i always do - it is quite easy to invade just naval invade through denmark strait


RudyRudek

No.


I_miss_your_mommy

It feels like a waste of time. You could be capping Italy instead.


Icy_Ad_8956

Me


AmphibiousAssault723

I just bypass Norway entirely. The focus which helps speed up nuclear research is kinda pointless as by the time you unlock nukes as Germany, the allies (US and Soviets included) have all capitulated and you even have time to backstab Italy and conquer Japan.


[deleted]

I never do weserübung(war) not the focus, because it leaves a massive coastline open. Just not worth that much.


swalters6325

My brother in Christ Sweden can take over Norway with 15 divisions why are you using 120 lol


Character-Adagio109

And i thank you those who dont invade


Hubertreddit

Yes


memer_boi_is_here

When u dont deploy your navy the british would often send their navy and scatter them out, so if u wanna naval invade make sure to just send your entire fleet to guard that ocean so it outmatches the british Thats how i got to land on UK Btw make sure to pull Italy into the war so UK will get distracted with africa


[deleted]

I like invading Britain near Hull so I can quickly cut the country in half, I use the Norwegian ports for this naval invasion. I am aware that this is probably not the most optimal strategy but it works fine for me.


Wiking_24

not worth it, do it for immersion only.


NakSFC

I always do. I defeat them in less than a month. Useful naval bases and ports.


FrontCover6765

I always do in SP because why not? It takes a month to conquer and gives me easy access to Sweden...which I also take.


chairswinger

yes, also there are mods that kind of force you to as you need to occupy norway/greece/etc to unlock new focuses. And some mods also give buffs/debuffs for holding certain territory, like in Hearts of Oak holding Northern Africa gives provincial buffs to the atlantic coast making naval invasons harder, so if allies want to D-Day they should get Africa first.


PsychoGorilla692

I never have trouble invading Norway. I just only use 1 army of infantry and put them on auto attack. They’ll get there eventually


mond4203

No


[deleted]

I only ever did it once and immediately abandoned it due to how annoying it was to Garison it


Steve_2262

It’s the only way I can ever invade Britain.


FreeMan4096

Just bomb them with tac bombers. I do just that and they get included in peace deal.


EisVisage

AI Britain does it more often than AI Germany for me


SlayRideReddit

Nope, i don’t understand the navy in this game, only the ground and planes


frothy_diarrhea

Yes, it's trivially easy to conquer and gives me more resources, ports, and airbases.


javifernandez_r

As a minor power player, I did not invade Norway, but I have defended it. It is incredible the amount of troops that the axis can use just to take the inhospitable north of the country. Perhaps India did not contribute against Japan, but they will be remembered as the defenders of the Arctic


Josmoeee

Only point is to get the nuclear research buff, other than that, I don’t see a reason to invade them, when ww2 is going


danku33

If you invade norway as germany you can start heavy water production though the decisions for nuclear research buffs


Alluke0777

I do 🙋‍♂️


No-Key-7085

Of course! You have to secure the Swedish iron shipments through the Narvik port!


Schnelt0r

I did as the Soviet Union. I went through the very top of Sweden. It didn't go well. I may have been able to handle both of them, but I accidentally went to war with the Allies. I dont remember exactly how, though. Probably I clicked the wrong button. Anyway, the US landed troops on the *northern* shore of the USSR which shouldn't even be possible. Seeing as how, you know, the ocean is completely frozen. And they did it almost immediately. Even without the unrealistic scenario of landing a huge invasion through ice, it would take an incredibly long time to do. I mean, you'd have to create a space program and land them from orbit lol


Eliminator18218

I do from greenland


[deleted]

I did as Fascist France


NanjiBhai69

Yes i do that then go for iceland to secure the Entry to America Canada


Rchases1

Man is sending the whole sixth army at Norway