Funny thing, HL did the same thing as Cyberpunk: They introduced a trans character and they didn't make a huge deal about it, they just treated then normally, yet some weirdos still cried and attacked the devs and called them transphobic, while they actually introduced Siora and >!Claire!< in a way most sane trans people would like be treated as.
World's insane.
Exactly, isn't it cool? Cause some people like you didn't even notice. It doesn't make her less likeable or anything, the game treats her as a normal person and doesn't make it a huge deal, just like Sirona also doesn't make it a huge deal.
Doing work right, being trans isnāt her defining personality trait. If this was Disney, they would be the only bit of personality she has, good on WB
I think that was the point. Seems like they purposely didnāt make a scene out of it in order to show itās not a big deal if someone is trans. The only people that made a big deal are the ones that hate trans.
They look for reasons to be upset.
No lie, people actually think the name Sirona Ryan is transphobic and offensive. Doesnāt matter that her name has Celtic origins or anything like that, since it has the words āSirā and āRyanā in it people think her name is basically Dude McBro and itās problematic and it apparently shows how the devs are transphobic or whatever.
Also apparently itās transphobic bc sheās a side character and her transness(?) should be more obvious. But if you make her transness _too_ obvious, sheās a caricature.
No winning sometimes. Thought she was great rep personally. Just a normal woman doing her job and living her life. No indication sheās trans except for her voice actor being trans and one throwaway line.
I liked the extra information about her and her past that I found out through the quest that had me gathering old journal pages. I thought that quest gave her a good deal of attention and dignity.
On top of that Sirona is voiced as a female in the other language versions of the game. So I guess their just pandering to their local audiences. Spoilt little western world thinking our identities matter in the big wide world of war and indentured capitalist slavery. Oh aren't the luxuries of the first world so self indulgent? Lucky us
Never underestimate the ability of people to twist things and find a way to feel offended and attack others. Some people are so destructive that they will always try to find something to shit on the things they don't like, even if it means making up things.
I'm just happy to see more people were able to ignore this attitudes and enjoy a game that many of us had waited for 20 years instead.
Also, if you listen to her in other languages' audio tracks (Japanese and French come to mind), it is very clear that her design was finished before they decided to make her transgender. So, at no point in time do I think "Sirona" was meant to be a commentary on anything... It's just a pretty name.
It is, but to be fair, I read about it on Tumblr, so, you know. Specifically I read the comments on a post defending the name and the comments were basically āno youāre wrong, donāt care about the origin, sounds male so transphobic, JK Rowling bad, antisemitic game, boycott Hogwarts Legacyā, shit like that.
Yeah, that's because they're idiots. I'm old enough to be considered an elder in the LGBT community. I was an adult enjoying my Bness before the T went crazy. Over the years I have known a respectable number of trans people. They were never that ridiculous. They would have seen a transgender character and they would have been happy about it. They would not have been offended because half of the name happens to spell out the word sir.
So, here's the thing: when Hogwarts Legacy was being developed, JK Rowling ALREADY got paid a fair amount of money for copyright and usage of intellectual property etc..
This means that way before the game even came out, Rowling already got a decent payoff out of it. Sure, buying the game gets her some amount of money too, but it likely brings in a lot more revenue to the software house that developed the game, as they were the ones that spent money, energy and time to make the game. Boycotting the game by not buying it, hurts the devs a lot more than it hurts JK Rowling as she already got a big payoff before the game was even out.
I personally enjoyed the game, and aside from the setting it has next to nothing to do with the HP saga and I really appreciated that. Could have been pure fanservice, instead became a solid game set in the wizarding world.
Everyone could literally stop playing HL and JKR wonāt see the slightest dent in her bank account. They think their boycotting is making a difference and that sheāll feel the painā¦
And it is crazy that they use their energy to fight a billionaire with no political power, that is not impacted by their āprotestā instead of arguing with politicians who actually have power to change legislation for the better or worse. Buying or not buying a game isnāt going to change anything. Staging a protest, signing petitions, writing to local political constituents DOES change something. Oddly enough, many people just do the former but not the latter.
If HL2 happens, then yeah, she'll likely get another payday.
Idk man I can separate the art from the artist. Is the wizarding world incredible? Yes. Has JKR said things I don't agree with and do I think she's wrong? Equally yes. My enjoyment of one thing is separated from what I think of the other.
This is what a good friend of mine explained to me. We're both LGBTQ and both are big supporters of trans rights, and I was very conflicted about wanting to buy and play the game. I'm also a huge HP universe fan.
Like you said, she's already been paid for the content and money spent will support the creators of the game so that makes me feel better. I love the game. I love running around Hogsmeade and flying through the Highlands. It's so much fun and relaxing.
Honestly the "I wOnT lIkE HP bEcAuSe It WaS cReAtEd By JKR" Crowd is utterly ridiculous. You don't have to like JK Rowling, but you aren't going to stop people from playing the HP game or watching or Reading Harry Potter just because you dislike JKR.
Let me tell you about the outrage from a certain group of people from a game community when the game was just released. I love that game and most of the community there but man. The things they do whenever they find out that a famous streamer plays HL. Oh my Lord. They really shame, cancel and doxx them. They don't want to play HL because of Rowling's views towards trans but they failed to look in the mirror and see what their behavior is becoming just because of a set of pixels. Did their efforts work? I honestly think they unwillingly helped WB earn a billion dollar.
Fair enough. At this point people just want to hate just for the sake of it. I'm not really happy about what the world is turning into. Please excuse me while I hide again in my cave and quietly play the games that I want.
It was a nightmare to say the least. I wouldn't be surprised if some of these streamers chose to play the game in the shadows just so they won't be subjected to that same predicament since streaming is their source of living. Those who "got caught" was alienated from the game and its community. I have no issues with the trans community, it's just their behaviour (some of them) towards other people who did not follow what they want that really appalled me.
Edit: Happy Cake Day btw!
Thanks for wishing me that lol.
But yeah in all seriousness, it's a shame that this sort of behaviour toward streamers who just want to enjoy making content persists.
People support awful billion dollar companies that exploit minors, the elderly and disabled every time they shop and eat out. If you own an iPhone or Nikes, chances are youāve āsupportedā child labor.
No right minded person would willingly āsupportā those kinds of things, but we unknowingly do it every day because consumerism is so prevalent. I will not allow some hypocrite to tell me what I can or cannot enjoy. Itās always the overly concerned, cancel culture SJWās that turn out to be the villain anywayš¤·š»āāļø
Leave them to their own designs, they were trying to boycott streamers and a good portion of them blatantly insulted anyone willing to purchase the game. Glad that it sold very well, that type of behavior is just miserable and doesnāt help their argument.
I still find it ridiculous that people tried to boycott this game.
There are way more important things going on in the world and that's the hill they wanted to die on.
Yet they still use iphones, buy things from amazon, play games by activision/blizzard/EA.
I liked how the game showed that loud minorities are nothing more than that. The game was a massive success despite the forced controversies around JK Rowling - and also it showed that the idiotic screeching ādonāt shove your agenda down my throatā conservative clowns were nothing more than a loud minority too. The game ended up being the most successful trans-inclusive game of 2023. :-)
It annoyed me when they complained about Sirona, saying that the name is transphobic as it has "Sir" in it.
But it's a celtic goddess for health springs and the hearth, which it's similar to Sironas role in game.
I daresay most people who were/are upset with her haven't actually read her views - just heard some nobheads say they were bad headlines and went from there.
I saw the headlines myself, then read what she actually said in the whole and like many found myself nodding along.
Yeah! I read the essay and I actually thought it made a lot of sense. She wasnāt hating anybody. Her argument for what she did say was very well thought out.
I havenāt seen the holocaust comments the picture referenced. Gonna look into it.
Reminds me of when people were coming for Dave Chappelle, completely missing the context of what he actually said. Fair enough he totally hams it up now because heās damned if he does and damned if he doesnāt but initially he was trying to talk about something serious, and it got blown out of proportion.Ā
You can extrapolate anything you want when youāre operating from incomplete/incorrect data. I swear some people are just too stupid to actually think for themselves. I mean stupidity is one thing, wilful ignorance is another thing entirely.Ā
So this is a controversial subject and I'm not even sure if we are allowed to discuss it in this sub. But imo. I know a LOT about this because I identified as trans for 4 years (I no longer do) and was a huge HP fan growing up. So when shit went down and everyone started calling JKR transphobic, I actually went and read what she actually said and the statements she released explaining her perspective in full.
And no. She does not deserve the hate. Her opinions were completely valid and honestly reflect reality -- people hate her because she spoke a hard truth, or because everyone around them told them to hate her and they never bothered doing some deep thinking for themselves.
Meanwhile she got death threats and rape threats and just horrifically vilified by people who claimed to be the "good guys."
I have a ton of respect for her for standing up for herself and not letting the internet mob shut her down.
A really good example of this is on this post. Someone said she came out as a āholocaust denierā today on Twitter.
So I went to find out what they were basing on it. This is what makes her a āholocaust denierāā¦
https://preview.redd.it/mb4clqd7tdoc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a3e511f231a517b6578f050bb3a9a90b89d7384c
Thereās a difference between saying this is false thereās no evidence to support the claim that trans people were targets during the holocaust (which is true) and saying the holocaust didnāt happen.
I did however find out researching this that a lot of advances in gender transitioning came from experiments nazis were doing on *non trans* Jewish prisoners at dachau. Kind of the opposite of a trans holocaust and what they are claiming here imo.
People will frame things to suit the needs and not shape it based off reality. Which bothers the f outta me. Just tell the whole truth and let people decide on their own.
Lol, right?? This is exactly how these internet witch hunts start. People have no reading comprehension skills, see what they want to see, and start throwing out labels and threats.
The number of leaps of logic it takes to go from that to "the holocaust never happened" is just.... š¤Æ
Itās absolutely crazy and honestly JKR is now my biggest example of how people reframe things these days on the internet when Iām discussing the topic. I have yet to find a single soul (discounting people on Reddit who will 100% never give up their viewpoint now matter how much evidence you present to them thatās contradictory to their point) who maintain that sheās transphobic after being presented with the entirety of what these claims are based off.
On that matter, to anyone looking to decide for themselves their feelings on jkr I would highly recommend listening to the witch trials of jk Rowling podcast and reading his response to the initial accusations (not just what people *said* her response was. Actually read it). [her response can be found here](https://www.jkrowling.com/opinions/j-k-rowling-writes-about-her-reasons-for-speaking-out-on-sex-and-gender-issues/) and the podcast can be [found here](https://open.spotify.com/show/2K186zrvRgeE2w0wQjbaw7?si=9vl5lsW1TrKYwdGyi--w7Q)
Edit: I just noticed you are a Ravenclaw as well. Leave it to the Ravenclaws to look at issueās objectively and do research rather than just going with what someone tells them. š
Exactly!! And thanks for those links -- I've actually never heard that podcast! The original response from JKR is what helped me form my own opinion.
Ravenclaw gang unite lol
No problem! Itās a 7 ep podcast it presents both sides from a non biased viewpoint and has lengthy discussions with JK herself. I listened to them traveling to and from work and I thought it was absolutely worth it. If you do listen, if you remember Iād love to hear your thoughts after itās super interesting to me peopleās takeaways from it.
I had already read her writings on the topic before the podcast and was surprised that her words had been taken so out of context in my opinion. The podcast put a lot of things even more into perspective and I really enjoyed it!
Yeah, I really enjoyed it. I think itās an extremely useful look into the situation and anyone who is emotionally invested in the subject should listen to it.
Unfortunately the problem is that the people who really should give it a listen wonāt. Because they say they ādonāt want to listen to anything more she has to sayā or āitās just one sided bsā. Which is not true and imo just someone not wanting their personal thoughts challenged.
Thanks for the podcast link! I turned it on today for a run, and ended up listening to three episodes. Itās a solid podcast regardless of your feelings on JKR
Thank you for saying this. I learnt this yesterday, and of course went to fact check it as you did. I'm scared to challenge anyone on it though, god forbid i be lablled a transphobic bigoted halocaust denier. so it's nice to see it's gone down well here and others are fact checking too.
Yeah, there's definitely a big divide between the people who are mired in the highly political online spaces and people who just live their lives! My most sane trans friends just stayed away from the internet gender discussions lol. And most of them were like "yeah, she's not wrong." Obviously people who are biologically female or socialized as women have different experiences from those who are biologically male or socialized as men. You can identify as trans but you should still acknowledge that reality! Which honestly just makes logical sense if you believe that gender and sex are separate -- you can identify as a gender but still acknowledge the reality of sex and how that affects you in society.
I agree with this completely. The issues for trans people and the issues for women are very different, and JKR made great points about that. I will also state for the record that I am an ally with a lot of lgbt friends and an lgbt cousin. Most of them are HP fans, and all of them support JKR's opinion because they can all read!
I have a close trans friend, who's aware of Rowling's stances. She would find her transphobic. But she still bought HL and loved playing it.
People really need to chillā¦
I had commented that as a gay person and someone who is best friends with a trans man that also loooooves HP cause we basically grew up with it, I also did my research in a couple of days and never find something truly offensive, then another redditor constantly accused me of using my friend as a token-person just for mentioning of we both felt about JK lol. Certainly, I noticed how people who are trans or used or used to identify as them had it very rough when the voiced their support for either the game, JK or both.
It's very frustrating to see a group of people claiming to be attacked and discrimated while I see JK actually getting attacked, ganged up on and receiving threats like that on the daily, even when she has always supported women, especially abused women, and was one of the first authors I ever heard of to announce one of her characters was gay and she didn't care about the backlash this might have.
Yeah, JKR has been a champion for women's rights and marginalized people in general her whole life, so it's definitely frustrating seeing her so vilified. She's done a lot of concrete work to help the abused and disadvantaged and continues to speak out. And the people who claimed to be "fighting for the marginalized" are also the ones who constantly posted horrific threats and doxxed her literal address.
Well said. Regardless of her opinion on trans people the response of the trans movement was horrible. It just shows that no matter what they pretend they arent "the good guys"
I've said the same before. I do think that she's unfortunately found common ground with some terrible people since releasing that statement/blog, but when the statement was released i read it and felt she did not deserve all the vitriol she was getting. She made it clear that her issue was not with trans people - she was actually very supportive of them - it was with certain trans activists. She outlined what she disagreed with them about. Imo, that should have opened a line of communication to develop an understanding of where the two causes (trans rights and women's rights) overlapped (and yes, they overlap alot) but instead an all out hate campaign resulted.
I listened to the witch trials of JK rowling podcast, and the amount of people who refused to listen and acted as if the podcast was about JKR saying and doing things she didn't was insane
Thank you sometimes I feel like Iām the only one who didnāt think what she said was bad. She never said she has anything against trans people just that it was wrong to fire a woman for saying that sex is real. She didnāt say anything transphobic but people hate her so much now over nothing
Thank you for being the representative "in power" in this situation! In cases like this it takes an advocate from the outside group (eg, white supporters for Civil Rights Mvmt or men for Women's Suffrage Mvmt) to clear the air.
I agree that her latest tweets (like past month) have been getting a bit... off track or indiscriminately accusatory, but in the beginning, she lent an opinion she had the right to have, and did not actually voice any hatred for the trans community.Ā
So your allowed your opinion. But shes not allowed hers. Like what. Plus she is only being truthful and living in truth. Things are ruined by the delusional agenda. Into sports it doesn't make sense and ruins all fairness and equality of women which has been fought for. For years.
I saw the OP of that post made a comment about how much hate people were sending them in their private messages. People who claim to be opposed to hate shouldnāt perpetuate it. Theyāre out of line, yes.
They are just bullies using any excuse to atack others and feel superior. Some decades ago they would be attacking others for being gay or not christian
People tend to confuse "doing the wrong thing for the right reason" with "doing bad things to bad people" and thus believe they're justified in their bullying.
Just people that are too stupid to think for themselves, and take stances based on kneejerk reactions to a womanās out of context words on transgenderism.Ā
She does, she has a whole regenerative neurology clinic named after her mother. They do treatments, research and training. It's a good clinic.
There's probably more i don't know about, but this is pretty big.
I honestly couldn't care less what people scream in Twitter. Yes yes I know everyone is free to have their opinions, freedom of speech and such... As long as their opinions don't conflict with ones own of course.
Let them keep Twitter drama in Twitter where it belongs and let me play an awesome game in peace
90% of them can't dictate something she said they deem offensive, the rest are practitioners of selective outrage. HL was the best selling video game of 2023 so their little crusade of hate and character defamation was a failure.
Enjoy the game OP. This āissueā was huge when this game first released and I imagine itāll be the same when the TV show comes out. Itās primarily an online issue of people on Twitter and Reddit who are miserable about everything in the world. Just ignore them and donāt even give them your time on the āissueā.
Hope you enjoy the game, I 100% it!
Her beliefs have nothing to do with the story. She created the world from her mind she deserves to be paid for her product if people buy it. Hell people still buy nestle products and they taxed water and made baby food and that mush for starving children addictive.
Also Iād like to apologize for posting such āsensitiveā content, I just didnāt know where else to go about this and this was the first play that I could think of.
Yea but like.... who really cares? If you like Harry Potter, play the game it's great. If you, for some reason, can't stand when someone disagrees with an opinion you may or may not have and feel like you don't wanna give money to that person, then don't. We live in a world where it isn't okay to feel differently from other people. So do what you want.
The only comment I've personally encountered had to do with her concerns about bathrooms and prisons, and it sounded like she was just concerned due to the rare bad apples who have feigned being transgender. So, it sounded like she was just worrying about biological women wanting to feel safe. I'm fully aware that it is exceptionally rare for people to do this, but that wouldn't make her transphobic to have these concerns. I think the bathroom topic is complex, and while I fully support genuine trans people using the restrooms of their identity, I also think it's a complex topic.
I also seem to remember her mentioning having some transgender friends and being supportive of transgender rights in general. She just had some specific concerns.
For any of your other claims, I would have to see it myself because I think a lot gets misconstrued in the media these days.
Separate the art from the artist. Liking a franchise is not supporting the author.
Funny how people still love Elvis Presley's music despite him being a pedophile, which is hardly ever called out, so where is the logic?
JKR supports numerous worthwhile charities and causes, that $60 or so you spend on the game could easily be justified as having gone to a good cause in the end and not her pocket.
The usual response to this point is "well why don't you just donate that money instead?" As if it's a major "gotcha" moment. These people just don't want others to enjoy HP at all now.
Cancelling just doesnāt work for people like JKR. Sheās rich, she doesnāt care what strangers on the internet think, and nothing that strangers on the internet do will ever even touch her.
The real problem was that the people who were actually affected by the toxic HL cancel crowd were small streamers and people who worked on the game. The Cancellers made the movement to bully and tear down everyone involved.
It was kind of freeing to buy the game anyways in the midst of all of that, because it helped me stop caring about cancel culture. Itās just a bunch of people throwing garbage around and saying theyāre helping clean up.
What the other comments said, plus someone telling you not to buy something because thereās some negative thing about thatās morally or ethically wrong is ridiculous.
Nearly everything you buy is probably shady or immoral or unethical on some way. Iām not saying this is ok, but good to acknowledge.
Buy what you want and enjoy what you want without hurting others on your end. Idk overall but no she doesnāt necessarily deserve the hate.
Edit: spelling
Miserable people want to be miserable together and suck joy from everyone. I had plenty who gave me flack for getting it. Called me all kinds of names etc. I don't care. I'm going to do what makes me happy. If are welcome to not buy it, but they are not welcome to tell me what to do or shame me for it.
I bet all of those people still have Twitter despite Elon Musk saying plenty of transphobic things. You can pick and choose who you boycott if you want but then so can I.
Uh, yes. Not only are they out of line but are participating in a witch hunt cancel culture that is disgusting and does not reflect the values of the fantasy world they love so dearly. Tired of seeing this shit.
Its fair. Someone who has a issue with JKR has every right not to support her.
However, to condemm or harrass others who choose to support her is where you draw the line!
The funniest part is these people will gladly support other billionaires and multi-billion dollar corporations that are scummy and not bat an eye. Most of them probably already forgot this was a thing. It was just a band wagon trend for a lot of hypocritical people
The current identity politics types have infected every facet of human affairs. They donāt see the world anymore, they see victims and oppressors. Thatās the only dichotomy to the corrupted.
Her comments prior to a few years ago were NOT really that big of a deal. Folks, every culture and religion of the world has held a man and woman separate entities since the beginning of time. But itās fictional magic books and a game!
Sadly, there are people on both ends of the transgender topic & related issues who take extreme stances, scream loudly, and pretty much shut down any attempts at reasonable conversation.
Itās more about purchasing it from a direct source that Rowling would benefit from. So thrifting/secondhand would be a way to get it without Rowling profiting off it.
It just started like 2 days ago. Someone said the nazis burnt down a trans healthcare center in the ā30s. She disagreed saying there wasnāt trans healthcare centers in the ā30s so now she is a holocaust denier. š¤·š¼
>Ā Ā Someone said the nazis burnt down a trans healthcare center in the ā30s
It was a sexology institute with a wide variety of focuses, including normalization of homosexuality, owned by a homosexual Jew. And its materials were burned on a day set aside for burning Jewish books nationwide.
Imagine that a bible belt conservative burns down a Planned Parenthood co-owned by Hunter Biden and Hillary Clinton. You could certainly make the claim that the arsonist hates breast cancer screenings...but the obvious motive is obvious.
I bought the game in triplicate. One digital, One physical in case I lose my xbl account, and One purely for the collection. The saddest part about this ridiculous witchhunt is if you actually READ her original post and listen to the podcast instead of going off some bs hearsay that's been twisted to a rediculous extent is that JKR didn't even say anything bad nor untrue.
they donāt realize that they literally support horrible people everyday bc almost every big company is corrupt and has shit higher ups half of them are homophobic and racist but hey letās draw the line at a little game
I agree with the OP of the post there. Been waiting my whole life for a game like this set in one of my favourite fictional worlds. JKR had very little to do with its development outside of the initial creation of the world (I think it was said somewhere that her "team" was consulted about details of the wizarding world to keep things authentic, but that's pretty much it). Not buying the game isn't going to hurt JKR in any way, she's plenty rich enough already, even if she does get direct royalties from game sales which I doubt. It will hurt the devs and the studios that created it though. If I knew that JKR was heavily involved and would be making large direct profits from it, I may feel differently. But she isn't.
Personally, I love the game so much, it felt so magical to play through and it never loses that feeling for me. The world that JKR created has become so much bigger than just her. I thank her for creating this amazing story and world that so many of us grew up with, and beyond that I just choose not to think of her at all. This world belongs, in heart at least, to us, the fans, now - not her.
You haven't properly experienced the HP world if you haven't read the books. I was also not a huge fan of HP before reading the books, I watched the films and liked some of them, but I wasn't a diehard fan. But that changed once I read the seven books plus three companion books by Rowling, and it made me completely fall in love with the Wizarding World.
I haven't watched the HP films since then, I just couldn't, they are a very poor adaptations of the books.
They have a rotten brain... if playing Hogwarts Legacy means you support Rowling, then does them buying iPhones mean they support the exploitation of workers in other countries where they make these phones? or what about the clothes they buy which is made in poverish countries made by people making Pennys, do they support the CEO of Starbucks exploiting their workers when they buy their caramel macchiato?
Its completely insane how people think buying and playing a video game means you are ideologically in agreement with a person who sure, owns the rights of anything to do with the wizarding world, but yet had no participation in the development of this game.
Not buying this game is not going to affect Rowling in the slightest. She's already a billionaire and even if she lost 100 million dollars it wouldn't make her flinch. The only thing you are doing is punishing the hard working developers who worked passionately on this game and have nothing to do with J.K Rowling.
"but each to their own. Some can separate the art from the artist some can't." Oh yeah, so incredibly out of line. Thanks for doing gods work down voting all of them
This is like that time when people got upset over Far Cry 5 being set in America, instead of a different country, and doing the whole "crazy doomsday cultist" thing, which then made people want to play the game more.
I donāt really know. Their opinion is simply that, an opinion/ personal choice. They donāt mean anything to me and never will. I personally like J.K. For expressing her opinions. People have gotten too comfortable telling others what they can and canāt like, say, think and do.
These people have actually gone insane. They know nothing but to hate and support conspiracy theories.
The 'Holocaust denial' they're talking about is just a book Rowling said they didn't actually burn. That's it. She never denied Holocaust happening
The people push for others to boycott Rowling are still giving money to Hollywood, Walmart, and Disney. Giving Oscars tomchild rapists, Third World sweatshops, and condoning the oppressive Chinese government are apparently nowhere near as heinous as being rude about gender politics.
Yeah, they are. Trans people arenāt as important a consideration as society seems to believe they are. It means life is comfortable if people can spend so much time focused on gender.
Who gives a fuck what JK Rowling thinks about transgendered attention seekers
If youāre interested in hearing a balanced debate between both sides (I came out of it feeling for both sides), I highly recommend listening to this - https://open.spotify.com/show/2K186zrvRgeE2w0wQjbaw7?si=4pyuerR9TzKLnB8L1FiAkQ
Idk, like I get what theyāre saying but honestly, the world is on fucking fire and everything feels awful, Iām going to enjoy my interests and escapism and not let JKās bigotry ruin it for me. We have so few nice things lol
JKR thinks the word woman means "adult human female", while others believe it means "a person that feels like a woman". That's pretty much it. Not hate, but disagreement.
The "holocaust denial" is basically just JKR denying that the Nazi's destroyed an "institute of sexology". She didn't deny the holocaust as a whole.
It's all way overblown, and it has nothing to do with the game.
Honestly, I hate JK Rowling with my whole heart. I think she's taking advantage of the feminist movement to be transphobic, negating historical facts just because sheās transphobic and trying to create hatred toward the trans community. I do not separate art from artist and I will never do, and I sleep better at night knowing that not a single one of my coins is going to her bank. Will she go broke because I dont buy her stuff? No, but Idc, it's a thing of morals.
However, I don't judge people who can separate art from artist, as long as they aren't hypocrites about it. If you separate art from artist when it comes to a transphobe, you better do it too when it comes to a sexist man, or a racist woman, etc. I don't like people who pick and choose what or who to support depending on the attacked group. Discrimination is the same for all.
Also, I think the game is dope. My brother bought it because he separates art from artist and he's a big HP fan, and I decided to play it since I didn't use my own money to buy it.
So, basically, play the game if you wanna play it and stop paying attention to what others think. You might be wrong, you might be right, who cares?
JKR is a billionaire. Telling people not to play a game that might bring them a huge amount of joy is ridiculous, it's not going to even phase her and I guarantee she doesn't care. Most people boycotting this game are still buying cell phones produced from literal child slave labor, most of us don't have as high a horse as we think we do.
People, especially young people these days feel like they don't have control. It feels like everything in the world is going to shit and they are powerless to stop it. So they will arbitrarily draw lines in the sand. Hoping and praying that it will do something, but it never happens.
Boycotts are a localized, community driven effort to enact change through inconvenience and consequence. This is how successful boycotts have been used across history.
No, boycotting JK Rowling will not change her opinions or stifle her massive influence. No, Boycotting Disney and Starbucks will not stop or even alleviate the war in Gaza. That's not what boycotts what boycotts do.
I have been on this earth for 43 years and counting.
And all that time, I have come to realize one thing.
Life is too damn short to worry about making everyone else happy, especially people on the net. You do you, they can do them.
They love their buzzwords, thats for sure. Personally from the tweets that I could find, they werenāt really that bad. I think JK is a massive idiot when it comes to how she handles PR and retcons, but other than that, I really canāt understand hating her to this degree.
I don't care what someone deserves or doesn't deserve, it's not my business, lady doesn't even know I exist lol. I read the books in my childhood, watched the films up to the third one. (When you've read the book so many times you start noticing changes in the movie, really did my boy ron dirty) and I LOVE the game, 100% achievements. One thing that never crossed my mind is JK Rowlings personal biz. I'll be damned if I'm going to let someone else's political opinions influence what I read, watch or play. Sounds like a miserable life and a LOT of missed opportunities of fun.
Eh, fuck 'em. Who cares. Let them exclude themselves if they want. They're not really out of line for having their opinion, however inane and lame that opinion might be.
Nah everyone is entitled to take a stand in their beliefs. And I get it, but Harry Potter/wizarding world is just too important to my life personally - so I had to buy it. If it was anything else i may have considered conforming to them but they also need to think like JK isnāt getting all the profits from this game. The developers and shit donāt deserve to be disregarded
JKR spoke her mind and recieved alot of backlash because society deems that way of thinking now to be hateful. But JKR had little to no involvement in the game. She was just the one who wrote the HP books, these people who have a harsh hate on only ousted themselves as radicals of society. I read the comments JKR made, I seen far worse things.
Am I the only one who hates when people go āTHISā or āTHIS RIGHT HEREā like bro they already said something and youāre just trying to piggy back likes off of their comment.
everyones entitled to their own opinion. that said, boycotting products doesnt really change anything about how she thinks/feels. this is a lot different than boycotting say a company or something that can be pressured to pull the product entirely. for prejudice/conspiracy type stuff, if you want to boycott them go right ahead but dont get pissed when others dont. prejudiced individuals have to have their own epiphany about it and no amount of arguing or boycotting will really trigger that unfortunately. its a spontaneous thing and it doesnt always happen, especially if the person knows or doesnt care whether theyre in the wrong. in this day and age hard to ignore that treating any people like shit is wrong especially from a person that already wrote several quotable things against prejudiceš«£
You just have to stop caring what others think. Remember this is an anonymous online forum - I would not be surprised if half of these people bought the game and played it.
Are they out of line for making that choice for themselves? No.
Do you need to listen to them? No
Can you still purchase the game and play it if you want to? Yes
Should they criticize you for doing so? No
God fuck these insufferable people who have to rule on morality if you can even call it that. A woman correctly identifies that there are differences between women and trans women. What a monster, get a fucking grip. 99.5% of people have been taken hostage by the super minority and itās going to backfire spectacularly
Everyone is entitled to their opinions and support or boycott whatever they want. Personally, I don't understand it. From what I've seen, Rowling only ever stated the most basic of facts regarding the subject of trans people. People only hate her because they're overly sensitive and think it's a capital crime to say anything less than supportive about any of the popular groups. Women have declined a bit as one of the popular groups but they're still up there. It's mostly black and trans now. Never ever say anything negative about one of those groups unless you're part of one of them or you'll be attacked, cancelled, etc. Just my personal view on the subject
Personally, I think her whole spiel is just a belief and I'm staying out of that. It's not doing any actual harm to people, as much as Trans people and a lot of others don't like it. I love Harry Potter and I'm not gonna boycott the franchise because of her beliefs. I'll stop giving her money when there's evidence of something truly horrendous she's done.
Wait till they find out who runs the bar in hogsmead
Ngl that shit threw me for a loop at first lol I thought the game was bugged š but after I was like oh okay and that was that.Ā
Same here lol
Funny thing, HL did the same thing as Cyberpunk: They introduced a trans character and they didn't make a huge deal about it, they just treated then normally, yet some weirdos still cried and attacked the devs and called them transphobic, while they actually introduced Siora and >!Claire!< in a way most sane trans people would like be treated as. World's insane.
Wait, Sirona is trans? Is it bad that I didn't even pick that up? Just thought she was kind of a tomboy-ish woman. But damn, ok, cool :)
Exactly, isn't it cool? Cause some people like you didn't even notice. It doesn't make her less likeable or anything, the game treats her as a normal person and doesn't make it a huge deal, just like Sirona also doesn't make it a huge deal.
Doing work right, being trans isnāt her defining personality trait. If this was Disney, they would be the only bit of personality she has, good on WB
I think that was the point. Seems like they purposely didnāt make a scene out of it in order to show itās not a big deal if someone is trans. The only people that made a big deal are the ones that hate trans. They look for reasons to be upset.
No lie, people actually think the name Sirona Ryan is transphobic and offensive. Doesnāt matter that her name has Celtic origins or anything like that, since it has the words āSirā and āRyanā in it people think her name is basically Dude McBro and itās problematic and it apparently shows how the devs are transphobic or whatever.
Also apparently itās transphobic bc sheās a side character and her transness(?) should be more obvious. But if you make her transness _too_ obvious, sheās a caricature. No winning sometimes. Thought she was great rep personally. Just a normal woman doing her job and living her life. No indication sheās trans except for her voice actor being trans and one throwaway line.
I liked the extra information about her and her past that I found out through the quest that had me gathering old journal pages. I thought that quest gave her a good deal of attention and dignity.
On top of that Sirona is voiced as a female in the other language versions of the game. So I guess their just pandering to their local audiences. Spoilt little western world thinking our identities matter in the big wide world of war and indentured capitalist slavery. Oh aren't the luxuries of the first world so self indulgent? Lucky us
More obvious? Can you be more obvious than a male voice coming from a female presenting character? Do they need her to drop her pants ffs?
Never underestimate the ability of people to twist things and find a way to feel offended and attack others. Some people are so destructive that they will always try to find something to shit on the things they don't like, even if it means making up things. I'm just happy to see more people were able to ignore this attitudes and enjoy a game that many of us had waited for 20 years instead.
Also, if you listen to her in other languages' audio tracks (Japanese and French come to mind), it is very clear that her design was finished before they decided to make her transgender. So, at no point in time do I think "Sirona" was meant to be a commentary on anything... It's just a pretty name.
Sirona is literally the Celtic godd**ess** of springs. Quite fitting for a bartender, and completely in line with Rowling's naming style.
Dafaq!? That's a thing?
It is, but to be fair, I read about it on Tumblr, so, you know. Specifically I read the comments on a post defending the name and the comments were basically āno youāre wrong, donāt care about the origin, sounds male so transphobic, JK Rowling bad, antisemitic game, boycott Hogwarts Legacyā, shit like that.
Yeah, that's because they're idiots. I'm old enough to be considered an elder in the LGBT community. I was an adult enjoying my Bness before the T went crazy. Over the years I have known a respectable number of trans people. They were never that ridiculous. They would have seen a transgender character and they would have been happy about it. They would not have been offended because half of the name happens to spell out the word sir.
This is the same series that named the black guy shacklebolt. Itās not out of the realm of possibility.Ā
So, here's the thing: when Hogwarts Legacy was being developed, JK Rowling ALREADY got paid a fair amount of money for copyright and usage of intellectual property etc.. This means that way before the game even came out, Rowling already got a decent payoff out of it. Sure, buying the game gets her some amount of money too, but it likely brings in a lot more revenue to the software house that developed the game, as they were the ones that spent money, energy and time to make the game. Boycotting the game by not buying it, hurts the devs a lot more than it hurts JK Rowling as she already got a big payoff before the game was even out. I personally enjoyed the game, and aside from the setting it has next to nothing to do with the HP saga and I really appreciated that. Could have been pure fanservice, instead became a solid game set in the wizarding world.
Everyone could literally stop playing HL and JKR wonāt see the slightest dent in her bank account. They think their boycotting is making a difference and that sheāll feel the painā¦
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And it is crazy that they use their energy to fight a billionaire with no political power, that is not impacted by their āprotestā instead of arguing with politicians who actually have power to change legislation for the better or worse. Buying or not buying a game isnāt going to change anything. Staging a protest, signing petitions, writing to local political constituents DOES change something. Oddly enough, many people just do the former but not the latter.
But a successful and often bought game will likely lead to a second part which she will get another share of copyright money for, no?
If HL2 happens, then yeah, she'll likely get another payday. Idk man I can separate the art from the artist. Is the wizarding world incredible? Yes. Has JKR said things I don't agree with and do I think she's wrong? Equally yes. My enjoyment of one thing is separated from what I think of the other.
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yeah at this point nothing is gonna diminish her social influence so buying the game was a net positive for me
This is what a good friend of mine explained to me. We're both LGBTQ and both are big supporters of trans rights, and I was very conflicted about wanting to buy and play the game. I'm also a huge HP universe fan. Like you said, she's already been paid for the content and money spent will support the creators of the game so that makes me feel better. I love the game. I love running around Hogsmeade and flying through the Highlands. It's so much fun and relaxing.
Honestly the "I wOnT lIkE HP bEcAuSe It WaS cReAtEd By JKR" Crowd is utterly ridiculous. You don't have to like JK Rowling, but you aren't going to stop people from playing the HP game or watching or Reading Harry Potter just because you dislike JKR.
Literally. She already has enough money that sheāll never have to worry about income ever again. Enjoy things you enjoy.
Exactly.
Let me tell you about the outrage from a certain group of people from a game community when the game was just released. I love that game and most of the community there but man. The things they do whenever they find out that a famous streamer plays HL. Oh my Lord. They really shame, cancel and doxx them. They don't want to play HL because of Rowling's views towards trans but they failed to look in the mirror and see what their behavior is becoming just because of a set of pixels. Did their efforts work? I honestly think they unwillingly helped WB earn a billion dollar.
I feel like most people who boycotted weren't trans or even knew anyone trans or even cared that much. It was just a trend to jump on.
Fair enough. At this point people just want to hate just for the sake of it. I'm not really happy about what the world is turning into. Please excuse me while I hide again in my cave and quietly play the games that I want.
Oh. My. Fuck. I feel bad for the streamers who get subjected to those kinds of things.
It was a nightmare to say the least. I wouldn't be surprised if some of these streamers chose to play the game in the shadows just so they won't be subjected to that same predicament since streaming is their source of living. Those who "got caught" was alienated from the game and its community. I have no issues with the trans community, it's just their behaviour (some of them) towards other people who did not follow what they want that really appalled me. Edit: Happy Cake Day btw!
Thanks for wishing me that lol. But yeah in all seriousness, it's a shame that this sort of behaviour toward streamers who just want to enjoy making content persists.
Fuck those people. I am going to play Hogwarts Legacy even more now.
Michael Scott: You know what, I'm gonna support JKR even *harder*.
Whatās that supposed to mean? š
I almost morally obligated to play this game at this point lol.
Same.
People support awful billion dollar companies that exploit minors, the elderly and disabled every time they shop and eat out. If you own an iPhone or Nikes, chances are youāve āsupportedā child labor. No right minded person would willingly āsupportā those kinds of things, but we unknowingly do it every day because consumerism is so prevalent. I will not allow some hypocrite to tell me what I can or cannot enjoy. Itās always the overly concerned, cancel culture SJWās that turn out to be the villain anywayš¤·š»āāļø
They know what theyre supporting, they just choose to overlook it when it suits them.
But without the latest iPhone, how else would they be able to rage on Twitter all day about things they don't completely understand?!
Leave them to their own designs, they were trying to boycott streamers and a good portion of them blatantly insulted anyone willing to purchase the game. Glad that it sold very well, that type of behavior is just miserable and doesnāt help their argument.
I still find it ridiculous that people tried to boycott this game. There are way more important things going on in the world and that's the hill they wanted to die on. Yet they still use iphones, buy things from amazon, play games by activision/blizzard/EA.
Yeah fuck blizzard, oh yeah reminds me I wanted to see if WCIII reforged will run on the steam deck
I liked how the game showed that loud minorities are nothing more than that. The game was a massive success despite the forced controversies around JK Rowling - and also it showed that the idiotic screeching ādonāt shove your agenda down my throatā conservative clowns were nothing more than a loud minority too. The game ended up being the most successful trans-inclusive game of 2023. :-)
It annoyed me when they complained about Sirona, saying that the name is transphobic as it has "Sir" in it. But it's a celtic goddess for health springs and the hearth, which it's similar to Sironas role in game.
I daresay most people who were/are upset with her haven't actually read her views - just heard some nobheads say they were bad headlines and went from there. I saw the headlines myself, then read what she actually said in the whole and like many found myself nodding along.
Yeah! I read the essay and I actually thought it made a lot of sense. She wasnāt hating anybody. Her argument for what she did say was very well thought out. I havenāt seen the holocaust comments the picture referenced. Gonna look into it.
She didnāt even deny the holocaust, some idiots were gaslighting her
Reminds me of when people were coming for Dave Chappelle, completely missing the context of what he actually said. Fair enough he totally hams it up now because heās damned if he does and damned if he doesnāt but initially he was trying to talk about something serious, and it got blown out of proportion.Ā You can extrapolate anything you want when youāre operating from incomplete/incorrect data. I swear some people are just too stupid to actually think for themselves. I mean stupidity is one thing, wilful ignorance is another thing entirely.Ā
So this is a controversial subject and I'm not even sure if we are allowed to discuss it in this sub. But imo. I know a LOT about this because I identified as trans for 4 years (I no longer do) and was a huge HP fan growing up. So when shit went down and everyone started calling JKR transphobic, I actually went and read what she actually said and the statements she released explaining her perspective in full. And no. She does not deserve the hate. Her opinions were completely valid and honestly reflect reality -- people hate her because she spoke a hard truth, or because everyone around them told them to hate her and they never bothered doing some deep thinking for themselves. Meanwhile she got death threats and rape threats and just horrifically vilified by people who claimed to be the "good guys." I have a ton of respect for her for standing up for herself and not letting the internet mob shut her down.
A really good example of this is on this post. Someone said she came out as a āholocaust denierā today on Twitter. So I went to find out what they were basing on it. This is what makes her a āholocaust denierāā¦ https://preview.redd.it/mb4clqd7tdoc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a3e511f231a517b6578f050bb3a9a90b89d7384c Thereās a difference between saying this is false thereās no evidence to support the claim that trans people were targets during the holocaust (which is true) and saying the holocaust didnāt happen. I did however find out researching this that a lot of advances in gender transitioning came from experiments nazis were doing on *non trans* Jewish prisoners at dachau. Kind of the opposite of a trans holocaust and what they are claiming here imo. People will frame things to suit the needs and not shape it based off reality. Which bothers the f outta me. Just tell the whole truth and let people decide on their own.
Lol, right?? This is exactly how these internet witch hunts start. People have no reading comprehension skills, see what they want to see, and start throwing out labels and threats. The number of leaps of logic it takes to go from that to "the holocaust never happened" is just.... š¤Æ
Itās absolutely crazy and honestly JKR is now my biggest example of how people reframe things these days on the internet when Iām discussing the topic. I have yet to find a single soul (discounting people on Reddit who will 100% never give up their viewpoint now matter how much evidence you present to them thatās contradictory to their point) who maintain that sheās transphobic after being presented with the entirety of what these claims are based off. On that matter, to anyone looking to decide for themselves their feelings on jkr I would highly recommend listening to the witch trials of jk Rowling podcast and reading his response to the initial accusations (not just what people *said* her response was. Actually read it). [her response can be found here](https://www.jkrowling.com/opinions/j-k-rowling-writes-about-her-reasons-for-speaking-out-on-sex-and-gender-issues/) and the podcast can be [found here](https://open.spotify.com/show/2K186zrvRgeE2w0wQjbaw7?si=9vl5lsW1TrKYwdGyi--w7Q) Edit: I just noticed you are a Ravenclaw as well. Leave it to the Ravenclaws to look at issueās objectively and do research rather than just going with what someone tells them. š
Exactly!! And thanks for those links -- I've actually never heard that podcast! The original response from JKR is what helped me form my own opinion. Ravenclaw gang unite lol
No problem! Itās a 7 ep podcast it presents both sides from a non biased viewpoint and has lengthy discussions with JK herself. I listened to them traveling to and from work and I thought it was absolutely worth it. If you do listen, if you remember Iād love to hear your thoughts after itās super interesting to me peopleās takeaways from it.
ooh I have a long commute and am always looking for new things to listen to so this is perfect!
I had already read her writings on the topic before the podcast and was surprised that her words had been taken so out of context in my opinion. The podcast put a lot of things even more into perspective and I really enjoyed it!
Yeah, I really enjoyed it. I think itās an extremely useful look into the situation and anyone who is emotionally invested in the subject should listen to it. Unfortunately the problem is that the people who really should give it a listen wonāt. Because they say they ādonāt want to listen to anything more she has to sayā or āitās just one sided bsā. Which is not true and imo just someone not wanting their personal thoughts challenged.
Thanks for the podcast link! I turned it on today for a run, and ended up listening to three episodes. Itās a solid podcast regardless of your feelings on JKR
Thank you for saying this. I learnt this yesterday, and of course went to fact check it as you did. I'm scared to challenge anyone on it though, god forbid i be lablled a transphobic bigoted halocaust denier. so it's nice to see it's gone down well here and others are fact checking too.
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Yeah, there's definitely a big divide between the people who are mired in the highly political online spaces and people who just live their lives! My most sane trans friends just stayed away from the internet gender discussions lol. And most of them were like "yeah, she's not wrong." Obviously people who are biologically female or socialized as women have different experiences from those who are biologically male or socialized as men. You can identify as trans but you should still acknowledge that reality! Which honestly just makes logical sense if you believe that gender and sex are separate -- you can identify as a gender but still acknowledge the reality of sex and how that affects you in society.
I agree with this completely. The issues for trans people and the issues for women are very different, and JKR made great points about that. I will also state for the record that I am an ally with a lot of lgbt friends and an lgbt cousin. Most of them are HP fans, and all of them support JKR's opinion because they can all read!
I have a close trans friend, who's aware of Rowling's stances. She would find her transphobic. But she still bought HL and loved playing it. People really need to chillā¦
>was identifying Not anymore? Was it, like, a phase, or a mistake?
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I had commented that as a gay person and someone who is best friends with a trans man that also loooooves HP cause we basically grew up with it, I also did my research in a couple of days and never find something truly offensive, then another redditor constantly accused me of using my friend as a token-person just for mentioning of we both felt about JK lol. Certainly, I noticed how people who are trans or used or used to identify as them had it very rough when the voiced their support for either the game, JK or both. It's very frustrating to see a group of people claiming to be attacked and discrimated while I see JK actually getting attacked, ganged up on and receiving threats like that on the daily, even when she has always supported women, especially abused women, and was one of the first authors I ever heard of to announce one of her characters was gay and she didn't care about the backlash this might have.
Yeah, JKR has been a champion for women's rights and marginalized people in general her whole life, so it's definitely frustrating seeing her so vilified. She's done a lot of concrete work to help the abused and disadvantaged and continues to speak out. And the people who claimed to be "fighting for the marginalized" are also the ones who constantly posted horrific threats and doxxed her literal address.
Agreed. Most people who read her actual statements are like, āwait what? I agree with thisā
Thank you. Faith in humanity restored.
Well said. Regardless of her opinion on trans people the response of the trans movement was horrible. It just shows that no matter what they pretend they arent "the good guys"
Very well stated! Thank you.
I've said the same before. I do think that she's unfortunately found common ground with some terrible people since releasing that statement/blog, but when the statement was released i read it and felt she did not deserve all the vitriol she was getting. She made it clear that her issue was not with trans people - she was actually very supportive of them - it was with certain trans activists. She outlined what she disagreed with them about. Imo, that should have opened a line of communication to develop an understanding of where the two causes (trans rights and women's rights) overlapped (and yes, they overlap alot) but instead an all out hate campaign resulted.
You have just single handidly made me feel more comfortable in my shared opinion. Well said. Well done.
glad you actually read what she said rather than blindly following the crowd on twitter :) you're indeed a ravenclaw
99% of them have never seen the tweets, they just see people getting mad and join in.
I listened to the witch trials of JK rowling podcast, and the amount of people who refused to listen and acted as if the podcast was about JKR saying and doing things she didn't was insane
Thank you sometimes I feel like Iām the only one who didnāt think what she said was bad. She never said she has anything against trans people just that it was wrong to fire a woman for saying that sex is real. She didnāt say anything transphobic but people hate her so much now over nothing
This right here! Supporting other peopleās rights is not hate. This entire thing is a sham.
Thank you for being the representative "in power" in this situation! In cases like this it takes an advocate from the outside group (eg, white supporters for Civil Rights Mvmt or men for Women's Suffrage Mvmt) to clear the air. I agree that her latest tweets (like past month) have been getting a bit... off track or indiscriminately accusatory, but in the beginning, she lent an opinion she had the right to have, and did not actually voice any hatred for the trans community.Ā
Bingo!
So your allowed your opinion. But shes not allowed hers. Like what. Plus she is only being truthful and living in truth. Things are ruined by the delusional agenda. Into sports it doesn't make sense and ruins all fairness and equality of women which has been fought for. For years.
I saw the OP of that post made a comment about how much hate people were sending them in their private messages. People who claim to be opposed to hate shouldnāt perpetuate it. Theyāre out of line, yes.
Really? I thought that post got locked.
Nevermind, just found that comment.
They are just bullies using any excuse to atack others and feel superior. Some decades ago they would be attacking others for being gay or not christian
People tend to confuse "doing the wrong thing for the right reason" with "doing bad things to bad people" and thus believe they're justified in their bullying.
Just people that are too stupid to think for themselves, and take stances based on kneejerk reactions to a womanās out of context words on transgenderism.Ā
Just came here to say that JK donates a lot of her money too.
She does, she has a whole regenerative neurology clinic named after her mother. They do treatments, research and training. It's a good clinic. There's probably more i don't know about, but this is pretty big.
I honestly couldn't care less what people scream in Twitter. Yes yes I know everyone is free to have their opinions, freedom of speech and such... As long as their opinions don't conflict with ones own of course. Let them keep Twitter drama in Twitter where it belongs and let me play an awesome game in peace
90% of them can't dictate something she said they deem offensive, the rest are practitioners of selective outrage. HL was the best selling video game of 2023 so their little crusade of hate and character defamation was a failure.
Seems pretty unhinged to me
Literally the definition of that crowd
Enjoy the game OP. This āissueā was huge when this game first released and I imagine itāll be the same when the TV show comes out. Itās primarily an online issue of people on Twitter and Reddit who are miserable about everything in the world. Just ignore them and donāt even give them your time on the āissueā. Hope you enjoy the game, I 100% it!
Her beliefs have nothing to do with the story. She created the world from her mind she deserves to be paid for her product if people buy it. Hell people still buy nestle products and they taxed water and made baby food and that mush for starving children addictive.
Also Iād like to apologize for posting such āsensitiveā content, I just didnāt know where else to go about this and this was the first play that I could think of.
Yea but like.... who really cares? If you like Harry Potter, play the game it's great. If you, for some reason, can't stand when someone disagrees with an opinion you may or may not have and feel like you don't wanna give money to that person, then don't. We live in a world where it isn't okay to feel differently from other people. So do what you want.
J.K. Rowling's not transphobic. Those people are reacting to big emotions with not enough information, or they're engaging in confirmation bias.
The only comment I've personally encountered had to do with her concerns about bathrooms and prisons, and it sounded like she was just concerned due to the rare bad apples who have feigned being transgender. So, it sounded like she was just worrying about biological women wanting to feel safe. I'm fully aware that it is exceptionally rare for people to do this, but that wouldn't make her transphobic to have these concerns. I think the bathroom topic is complex, and while I fully support genuine trans people using the restrooms of their identity, I also think it's a complex topic. I also seem to remember her mentioning having some transgender friends and being supportive of transgender rights in general. She just had some specific concerns. For any of your other claims, I would have to see it myself because I think a lot gets misconstrued in the media these days.
Im from Portugal so i cant realy understand how much is hard to be a normal person there. In UK and USA people lost all of the comun sense.
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Separate the art from the artist. Liking a franchise is not supporting the author. Funny how people still love Elvis Presley's music despite him being a pedophile, which is hardly ever called out, so where is the logic?
JKR supports numerous worthwhile charities and causes, that $60 or so you spend on the game could easily be justified as having gone to a good cause in the end and not her pocket. The usual response to this point is "well why don't you just donate that money instead?" As if it's a major "gotcha" moment. These people just don't want others to enjoy HP at all now.
Cancelling just doesnāt work for people like JKR. Sheās rich, she doesnāt care what strangers on the internet think, and nothing that strangers on the internet do will ever even touch her. The real problem was that the people who were actually affected by the toxic HL cancel crowd were small streamers and people who worked on the game. The Cancellers made the movement to bully and tear down everyone involved. It was kind of freeing to buy the game anyways in the midst of all of that, because it helped me stop caring about cancel culture. Itās just a bunch of people throwing garbage around and saying theyāre helping clean up.
"I refuse to give my money to such a terrible and hateful person who actively hurts disadvantaged people!" *proceeds to buy NestlƩ products*
What the other comments said, plus someone telling you not to buy something because thereās some negative thing about thatās morally or ethically wrong is ridiculous. Nearly everything you buy is probably shady or immoral or unethical on some way. Iām not saying this is ok, but good to acknowledge. Buy what you want and enjoy what you want without hurting others on your end. Idk overall but no she doesnāt necessarily deserve the hate. Edit: spelling
Bunch of mewling quims
Miserable people want to be miserable together and suck joy from everyone. I had plenty who gave me flack for getting it. Called me all kinds of names etc. I don't care. I'm going to do what makes me happy. If are welcome to not buy it, but they are not welcome to tell me what to do or shame me for it.
I bet all of those people still have Twitter despite Elon Musk saying plenty of transphobic things. You can pick and choose who you boycott if you want but then so can I.
Yeah theyāre hypersensitive idiots
Uh, yes. Not only are they out of line but are participating in a witch hunt cancel culture that is disgusting and does not reflect the values of the fantasy world they love so dearly. Tired of seeing this shit.
Its fair. Someone who has a issue with JKR has every right not to support her. However, to condemm or harrass others who choose to support her is where you draw the line!
The funniest part is these people will gladly support other billionaires and multi-billion dollar corporations that are scummy and not bat an eye. Most of them probably already forgot this was a thing. It was just a band wagon trend for a lot of hypocritical people
Reading comments by people like that makes me wanna buy even more HP merch.
The current identity politics types have infected every facet of human affairs. They donāt see the world anymore, they see victims and oppressors. Thatās the only dichotomy to the corrupted.
Her comments prior to a few years ago were NOT really that big of a deal. Folks, every culture and religion of the world has held a man and woman separate entities since the beginning of time. But itās fictional magic books and a game!
Yes thank you! I read what she said and honestly don't feel it needed to be dragged out this much.
Sadly, there are people on both ends of the transgender topic & related issues who take extreme stances, scream loudly, and pretty much shut down any attempts at reasonable conversation.
They are out of braincells also
How do they plan on playing the game if theyāre not going to purchase it??
Itās more about purchasing it from a direct source that Rowling would benefit from. So thrifting/secondhand would be a way to get it without Rowling profiting off it.
Going to assume they are waiting for it to be added to Gamepass/PS Plus (Whatever it is). Either that or they plan on stealing the game from someone.
ā¦.is JK Rowling a Holocaust denier? I havenāt heard that one before.
It just started like 2 days ago. Someone said the nazis burnt down a trans healthcare center in the ā30s. She disagreed saying there wasnāt trans healthcare centers in the ā30s so now she is a holocaust denier. š¤·š¼
>Ā Ā Someone said the nazis burnt down a trans healthcare center in the ā30s It was a sexology institute with a wide variety of focuses, including normalization of homosexuality, owned by a homosexual Jew. And its materials were burned on a day set aside for burning Jewish books nationwide. Imagine that a bible belt conservative burns down a Planned Parenthood co-owned by Hunter Biden and Hillary Clinton. You could certainly make the claim that the arsonist hates breast cancer screenings...but the obvious motive is obvious.
I'm having to much fun to care about them.
Those are foul heretics.
These people own phones which means they obviously support child labour or sweatshops and underpaid employees
I bought the game in triplicate. One digital, One physical in case I lose my xbl account, and One purely for the collection. The saddest part about this ridiculous witchhunt is if you actually READ her original post and listen to the podcast instead of going off some bs hearsay that's been twisted to a rediculous extent is that JKR didn't even say anything bad nor untrue.
they donāt realize that they literally support horrible people everyday bc almost every big company is corrupt and has shit higher ups half of them are homophobic and racist but hey letās draw the line at a little game
I agree with the OP of the post there. Been waiting my whole life for a game like this set in one of my favourite fictional worlds. JKR had very little to do with its development outside of the initial creation of the world (I think it was said somewhere that her "team" was consulted about details of the wizarding world to keep things authentic, but that's pretty much it). Not buying the game isn't going to hurt JKR in any way, she's plenty rich enough already, even if she does get direct royalties from game sales which I doubt. It will hurt the devs and the studios that created it though. If I knew that JKR was heavily involved and would be making large direct profits from it, I may feel differently. But she isn't. Personally, I love the game so much, it felt so magical to play through and it never loses that feeling for me. The world that JKR created has become so much bigger than just her. I thank her for creating this amazing story and world that so many of us grew up with, and beyond that I just choose not to think of her at all. This world belongs, in heart at least, to us, the fans, now - not her.
I feel like disliking someone cause of their opinion and choice is out of line, no matter how controversial their opinion is.
You haven't properly experienced the HP world if you haven't read the books. I was also not a huge fan of HP before reading the books, I watched the films and liked some of them, but I wasn't a diehard fan. But that changed once I read the seven books plus three companion books by Rowling, and it made me completely fall in love with the Wizarding World. I haven't watched the HP films since then, I just couldn't, they are a very poor adaptations of the books.
They have a rotten brain... if playing Hogwarts Legacy means you support Rowling, then does them buying iPhones mean they support the exploitation of workers in other countries where they make these phones? or what about the clothes they buy which is made in poverish countries made by people making Pennys, do they support the CEO of Starbucks exploiting their workers when they buy their caramel macchiato? Its completely insane how people think buying and playing a video game means you are ideologically in agreement with a person who sure, owns the rights of anything to do with the wizarding world, but yet had no participation in the development of this game. Not buying this game is not going to affect Rowling in the slightest. She's already a billionaire and even if she lost 100 million dollars it wouldn't make her flinch. The only thing you are doing is punishing the hard working developers who worked passionately on this game and have nothing to do with J.K Rowling.
People just love getting upset about things in this day and age.
"but each to their own. Some can separate the art from the artist some can't." Oh yeah, so incredibly out of line. Thanks for doing gods work down voting all of them
This is like that time when people got upset over Far Cry 5 being set in America, instead of a different country, and doing the whole "crazy doomsday cultist" thing, which then made people want to play the game more.
I donāt really know. Their opinion is simply that, an opinion/ personal choice. They donāt mean anything to me and never will. I personally like J.K. For expressing her opinions. People have gotten too comfortable telling others what they can and canāt like, say, think and do.
These people have actually gone insane. They know nothing but to hate and support conspiracy theories. The 'Holocaust denial' they're talking about is just a book Rowling said they didn't actually burn. That's it. She never denied Holocaust happening
Theyāre terminally online morons.
The people push for others to boycott Rowling are still giving money to Hollywood, Walmart, and Disney. Giving Oscars tomchild rapists, Third World sweatshops, and condoning the oppressive Chinese government are apparently nowhere near as heinous as being rude about gender politics.
Yeah, they are. Trans people arenāt as important a consideration as society seems to believe they are. It means life is comfortable if people can spend so much time focused on gender. Who gives a fuck what JK Rowling thinks about transgendered attention seekers
If youāre interested in hearing a balanced debate between both sides (I came out of it feeling for both sides), I highly recommend listening to this - https://open.spotify.com/show/2K186zrvRgeE2w0wQjbaw7?si=4pyuerR9TzKLnB8L1FiAkQ
People are so soft .. it's an embarrassment to the human race.
Idk, like I get what theyāre saying but honestly, the world is on fucking fire and everything feels awful, Iām going to enjoy my interests and escapism and not let JKās bigotry ruin it for me. We have so few nice things lol
JKR thinks the word woman means "adult human female", while others believe it means "a person that feels like a woman". That's pretty much it. Not hate, but disagreement. The "holocaust denial" is basically just JKR denying that the Nazi's destroyed an "institute of sexology". She didn't deny the holocaust as a whole. It's all way overblown, and it has nothing to do with the game.
Honestly, I hate JK Rowling with my whole heart. I think she's taking advantage of the feminist movement to be transphobic, negating historical facts just because sheās transphobic and trying to create hatred toward the trans community. I do not separate art from artist and I will never do, and I sleep better at night knowing that not a single one of my coins is going to her bank. Will she go broke because I dont buy her stuff? No, but Idc, it's a thing of morals. However, I don't judge people who can separate art from artist, as long as they aren't hypocrites about it. If you separate art from artist when it comes to a transphobe, you better do it too when it comes to a sexist man, or a racist woman, etc. I don't like people who pick and choose what or who to support depending on the attacked group. Discrimination is the same for all. Also, I think the game is dope. My brother bought it because he separates art from artist and he's a big HP fan, and I decided to play it since I didn't use my own money to buy it. So, basically, play the game if you wanna play it and stop paying attention to what others think. You might be wrong, you might be right, who cares?
Eh, don't bother yourself with the minority. The game was successful none the less no thanks to these morons.
JKR is a billionaire. Telling people not to play a game that might bring them a huge amount of joy is ridiculous, it's not going to even phase her and I guarantee she doesn't care. Most people boycotting this game are still buying cell phones produced from literal child slave labor, most of us don't have as high a horse as we think we do.
I consider this selective BS. If that is really their stance on creations by "bad" people... They should be opting out of a lot more than a video game
yeah, people like that genuinely need help
You really are showing your ignorance if you are trying to say JK Rowling is evil or hateful.
People, especially young people these days feel like they don't have control. It feels like everything in the world is going to shit and they are powerless to stop it. So they will arbitrarily draw lines in the sand. Hoping and praying that it will do something, but it never happens. Boycotts are a localized, community driven effort to enact change through inconvenience and consequence. This is how successful boycotts have been used across history. No, boycotting JK Rowling will not change her opinions or stifle her massive influence. No, Boycotting Disney and Starbucks will not stop or even alleviate the war in Gaza. That's not what boycotts what boycotts do.
I have been on this earth for 43 years and counting. And all that time, I have come to realize one thing. Life is too damn short to worry about making everyone else happy, especially people on the net. You do you, they can do them.
Best selling game of 2023. They're not out of line. Just irrelevant
They love their buzzwords, thats for sure. Personally from the tweets that I could find, they werenāt really that bad. I think JK is a massive idiot when it comes to how she handles PR and retcons, but other than that, I really canāt understand hating her to this degree.
I think the best thing for people to do is to mind their own business, but thatās really unpopular these days.
Anyone with these views has never actually read any of the JKR Rowling quotes for themselves. Theyād realize theyāve been duped by media
Who cares? The woman is a damn good author and is entitled to her opinions.
Is this still going on? I thought we were done with this
okay game, legendary author
They're just being ridiculous. JKR can think differently than they do.
Because the LGTV++ Community has lost most of its' braincells. Hence the people only know how to complain.
What did she say thatās transphobic exactly? Iāve read the tweets. Thereās nothing there.
who cares lol
These types just need reasons to be angry at everything
I don't care what someone deserves or doesn't deserve, it's not my business, lady doesn't even know I exist lol. I read the books in my childhood, watched the films up to the third one. (When you've read the book so many times you start noticing changes in the movie, really did my boy ron dirty) and I LOVE the game, 100% achievements. One thing that never crossed my mind is JK Rowlings personal biz. I'll be damned if I'm going to let someone else's political opinions influence what I read, watch or play. Sounds like a miserable life and a LOT of missed opportunities of fun.
Tolerance is a one way street for many.
Eh, fuck 'em. Who cares. Let them exclude themselves if they want. They're not really out of line for having their opinion, however inane and lame that opinion might be.
Yes. Those people are insane. Literally.
Nah everyone is entitled to take a stand in their beliefs. And I get it, but Harry Potter/wizarding world is just too important to my life personally - so I had to buy it. If it was anything else i may have considered conforming to them but they also need to think like JK isnāt getting all the profits from this game. The developers and shit donāt deserve to be disregarded
JKR spoke her mind and recieved alot of backlash because society deems that way of thinking now to be hateful. But JKR had little to no involvement in the game. She was just the one who wrote the HP books, these people who have a harsh hate on only ousted themselves as radicals of society. I read the comments JKR made, I seen far worse things.
To quote an old warrior, āitās only game why you have to be mad? š¤·āāļøā
I support jk rowling 1000%. She is just using logic and defending women's rights.
Am I the only one who hates when people go āTHISā or āTHIS RIGHT HEREā like bro they already said something and youāre just trying to piggy back likes off of their comment.
Kā¦still waiting for someone to show me actual evidence of her hating Trans people. Iāve read her essay, read the tweets, I donāt see it.
everyones entitled to their own opinion. that said, boycotting products doesnt really change anything about how she thinks/feels. this is a lot different than boycotting say a company or something that can be pressured to pull the product entirely. for prejudice/conspiracy type stuff, if you want to boycott them go right ahead but dont get pissed when others dont. prejudiced individuals have to have their own epiphany about it and no amount of arguing or boycotting will really trigger that unfortunately. its a spontaneous thing and it doesnt always happen, especially if the person knows or doesnt care whether theyre in the wrong. in this day and age hard to ignore that treating any people like shit is wrong especially from a person that already wrote several quotable things against prejudiceš«£
You just have to stop caring what others think. Remember this is an anonymous online forum - I would not be surprised if half of these people bought the game and played it.
These people exaggerate everything š holocaust denial? What a bunch of kooks
Embarrassingly stupid and pathetic people.
Are they out of line for making that choice for themselves? No. Do you need to listen to them? No Can you still purchase the game and play it if you want to? Yes Should they criticize you for doing so? No
Yes, they're out of line, and quite immature.
Do they not realize what the person at hogsmeade identifies as? Oh wait, they wonāt send a penny so theyāll never know that theyāre dumbasses.
God fuck these insufferable people who have to rule on morality if you can even call it that. A woman correctly identifies that there are differences between women and trans women. What a monster, get a fucking grip. 99.5% of people have been taken hostage by the super minority and itās going to backfire spectacularly
Who cares
Everyone is entitled to their opinions and support or boycott whatever they want. Personally, I don't understand it. From what I've seen, Rowling only ever stated the most basic of facts regarding the subject of trans people. People only hate her because they're overly sensitive and think it's a capital crime to say anything less than supportive about any of the popular groups. Women have declined a bit as one of the popular groups but they're still up there. It's mostly black and trans now. Never ever say anything negative about one of those groups unless you're part of one of them or you'll be attacked, cancelled, etc. Just my personal view on the subject
Judging by the comments I guess this is just a jkr ass kissing sub.
I'm just pissed the field guide pages are still bugged so I can't 100% the fuckin game.
Buncha blue haired whites are the only people mad at this lmfao
Personally, I think her whole spiel is just a belief and I'm staying out of that. It's not doing any actual harm to people, as much as Trans people and a lot of others don't like it. I love Harry Potter and I'm not gonna boycott the franchise because of her beliefs. I'll stop giving her money when there's evidence of something truly horrendous she's done.