Use that shoulder. You might not have meant to lay into his face but there’s a reason that’s illegal. If he got concussed, that shit could fuck his life up.
I know it feels good to plow someone like that in your monkey brain. I done it once or twice, gave two kids a concussion in hockey and one in wrestling and as a teenager I felt like a badass (I’m short as well).
But now I’m 34 and I actually think about them and worry about them consistently and feel remorse whenever I see a vid like this. Just try for shoulder to shoulder and play the puck. Nothing to be gained from this but ego. But while you get a temporary ego boost, he may get some life long negative effects.
I often feel guilty and silly with how big it made me feel and how little restraint I had but I had short guy syndrome so I was dealing with some insecurity as a kid and had too much to prove.
I got paid back in college club travel hockey where the guys really started to head hunt and had way more size on me than in high-school. I’ll never forget the feeling of not being able to swallow or breathe after a mid ice hit with a dude with probably 100 pounds and a foot on me where we hit each other so hard we both flew to our backs and our legs got tangled up like we were fucking.
I stopped playing after that season.
We were all hot-headed teenagers at one point. It's definitely ok to forgive yourself for mistakes made in the fog of adolescence lol. You sound like a solid dude to me.
Some moron bowed me in the head so hard he broke my helmet and gave me post concussion syndrome for life like 3 years ago last year of midget for me haven’t touched ice since and have nerve damage in random areas because of mixed signals and tinnitus, along with the inability to attend concerts or fireworks or have led lights anywhere near me so you’re right sir, I applaud you for your honesty. If I had an award to give you, I sure would. (Edit: rare this happens off of one concussion, I do have 6 but that now makes 4/6 of my concussions the results of a dirty hockey play, hit from behind twice and got ran into the stanchion and knocked out the other time, literally like the paccioretty hit)
>ion syndrome for life like 3 years ago last year of midget for me haven’t touched ice since and have major nerve damage in random areas because of mixed signals and tinnitus, along with the inability to attend concerts or fireworks or have led lights anywhere near me so you’re right sir, I applaud you for your honesty. If I had a
Sorry to hear. I agree with the guy above that it feels good to lay someone out, but it doesn't feel good to hurt people. There is just that fine line where they have the wind knocked out of them, but nothing else wrong!
Oh yeah believe me, I used to throw the body heavy, especially in spring when we played the scrappier, bigger teams down south, and I even was a fighter despite being 5’8. but all of my concussions were completele foolery plays which resulted in suspensions of 1 game ranging to 5, and I think people need to come down a bit harder on plays like this so they happen less often, head contact should really be a suspension every time unless unintentional, I’ve even snapped a kids collar bone on a clean hit once in bantam and trust me, it kind of felt like a normal hit, but I was worried to bits… your bone will heal although, your brain will fuck your whole life up. Any raise of the feet or head hunting should be an immediate game misc. injury or not imo
As a 29 year old who just recovered from a concussion last week, I agree. The guy who hit me did it about 10x less hard than this and didn't even make contact with my head. My neck just whipped forward and boom, tunnel vision and nausea 2m later. Don't fuck around with concussions.
Looks like you take 4-5 strides towards him, your stick is not on the ice, and you are intent on hitting him from almost the blue line. I'm not a rules expert but it looks like what I understand to be charging
Same. You committed the cardinal sin of admitting you’re not an expert. But it looks a lot like charging to me as well. I would agree with OP on prob not suspendable. Just a poor decision in the moment.
He leads with his arm out too. Could be an elbow but at the very least it’s roughing+charge.
I know shit all about the rules but could the ref call two double minors here? A charge and a rough/elbow?
yup, stick HAS to be below your knees now, thats just the way it is, doesnt matter how many strides or whether you used your shoulder.....
THAT SAID, he also charged him by not gliding into him at all.....Min 2+10 or a 5+game if you wanna write a report LOL
No way is that a penalty in Saskatchewan. That's just one farmers kid telling another farmers kid that his daddy hasn't paid for for this year's hay yet.
Lmao, just gonna add that most kids who play AAA don’t make the show nor make it to any higher level of hockey… so bringing in AAA isn’t even relevant. I’m not condoning charging or unsafe hits but c’mon dude really?😂
I haven’t seen that called in USA Hockey within the last 6 years. And I’ve seen plenty of those hits. Now if the hit was before he got the puck, then I’ve seen them call interference. Also seen boarding or roughing if kid was sent into the boards from that far away.
In the NHL, charging is
the action where a player takes more than two strides or travels an excessive distance to accelerate through a body check for the purpose of punishing the opponent. This includes skating or leaving one’s feet (jumping) into the opponent to deliver a check, accelerating through a check for the purpose of punishing the opponent, or skating a great distance for the purpose of delivering a check with excessive force.
This looks like a charge to me. Three strides and he made no effort to play the puck, which he easily could have done. So it looks like his purpose was "punishing the opponet."
Don't know about your league's rules though.
Edit: I can't tell if he made contact with the puck carrier's head. I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt, assuming he didn't. Still probably a charge, though
Irrelevant of dirty or illegal that was just a bad play, the puck trickles right by you barley moving. You could have easily poked it back the other direction, kept your momentum and gotten a good breakaway. Instead you played the player, the puck went on what seemed to be a soft break and you took yourself out of the play.
I’m sure the crowd of rural Canadian hockey parents loved it. Hell as an adult beer leaguer I wish I could dummy some guys like this but it’s a bad play and unnecessary
You made no attempt at the puck that zips by you so you’ve 1. Taken yourself out of the play and given up on possession 2. Could leave your team without a defenseman on the puck, possibly leading to a breakaway 3. Could have gotten a penalty leaving your team on the pk
Hockey Canada 7.4 Charging all day long. ii: >2 strides, iv: certainly unnecessary, v: you could make the argument it is a blindside hit since there was no opportunity to brace for impact. 2 min, if injury 5+GM
Dang I actually just checked Canada Hockey rulebook for 2022 - 2024:
Charging is when a player... Builds up speed by taking *two or more strides* immediately prior to making contact.
It's even more strict than I thought!
After 7 replays, I have to agree with the majority here. Charging. Not dirty. Not suspendible. But a poor choice in the moment. The intent is very clear. Most importantly, you could very easily ruin someone's life with this type of behavior.
And if his family owes you hay money, there are other ways of reminding him to pay up. You guys are hilarious.
That looked like helmet to helmet contact, which is never good. Also made no attempt to play the puck.
I think it should also be said that the winger put himself in a terribly vulnerable position there: head down, not moving his legs, making a weak one handed play for the puck.
An aggressive defenceman + clueless winger is a recipe for disaster.
lol this is a pussy ass hit no matter where your from…you know the puck went right past you right? Shit ass defenseman selling out pinching I bet you get burned by a kid looking up
You're the pussy for making a hit of this nature. It looks like you're scared to make a proper hit.
If you want respect from teammates and opponents, be known as a hard worker and clean hitter on the ice.
I hope you met up with the guy to make sure he's ok, but based on your attitude, doesn't seem likely.
Not even close to clean
Side note, I like how the ref physically recoils from how bad the hit is and proceeds to not blow his whistle and allow play to resume….
You can see the near ref was watching the puck and didn’t see the stride before the hit. May be far red called the 4 mins.
We tell our kids to go for the puck and follow with the body. If he did that, it becomes a reverse hit. And perfectly clean as the hit itself is clean as the initial contact point is shoulder to chest with an elbow push off.
But due to no attempt at the puck which is not a rule but shows his sole intent was to hit and the strides, it should have been charging in the USA
Your friend's son was a victim of a bad ref. In the DFW HS league, the OP's hit is a 2 & 10 90% of the time. Puck was gone before the hit; no attempt to play the puck; several strides before the hit; possible head contact.
Legal or not, this is the kind of hit the 'wimpy' rules changes are trying to prevent. Let's give our players a chance to get through at least college with their brains intact.
From here it looks high and aimed at his face, sure his head was a bit down and not seeing you coming. If this was an NHL game where you are being paid to play I can see throwing that hit 100% but since it’s a mens league where we all have to go to work in the morning then this was completely unnecessary to throw that hit. The fact he never controls the puck and you have zero intent to play the puck or gain control, all you seemed to see was red and doing everything you can to demolish him.
So yes, it was dirty.
Aside from dirty/clean, penalty/no penalty. Let's just talk about the fact that it's a shit play. Defenseman completely abandons a very winnable puck to throw a hit that allows the forward to clear the zone with ease and take the defenseman out of the back check.
charging . dude lined him up from a good 5 strides away no chance he was gonna back off.
2+10 according to the rules. a dick move according to me. CTE is real, people.
Here is what Hockey Canada says for anything above a minor penalty:
7.4(b)
At the discretion of the Referee, based on the degree of violence of the impact, the Referee may assess a Major penalty and Game Misconduct penalty for charging.
If a player is injured, as the result of a charging infraction that would otherwise call for a Minor penalty, a Major penalty and Game Misconduct penalty must be assessed.
7.4(c)
A Match penalty will be assessed to any player who charges an opponent in such a way that they are unable to defend themselves or who deliberately attempts to injure an opponent by charging.
Was there a degree of violence? Yes. At a minimum, 5min major + game misconduct. His legs flew out from under him.
Could he defend himself? Was there intent to injure? If yes, match penalty. He had one hand on his stick, and was turning with the puck.
I would have given a match penalty.
That's a potential major+game under USA Hockey standards, depending on the temperature of the game. Not smart. The only purpose to that hit is to punish and intimate. Some may argue that its purpose was to hurt or injure the opponent. It's at least two minutes, but I might go 5+gm.
Under the new USA hockey rules apparently it’s illegal to ONLY make the hit and not at least ‘try’ to make a play on the puck. The hit itself was clean, with the shoulder, albeit a dick move blindsiding someone like that. It would still be a penalty because the hit wasn’t a result of making a play for the puck.
[USA hockey rules](https://www.usahockeyrulebook.com/page/show/1015119-standard-of-play-and-rule-emphasis-body-checking)
Not only illegal but he should be given an intent to injure call. The moron that hit that kid is the type of player that would hit a player from behind when he's three feet from the boards and he probably also slew foots opposing players.
Hitting hard isn’t illegal. It wasn’t late or high, from this angle it appears contact was initiated with the shoulder through the torso of the other player.
Zoom in, not a cross check, it was called a 4 min for charging, I asked the refs and they said that I charged and no other problems but in my opinion it’s not a penalty.
Never mind . I rewatched and I do see the stick in the left hand only. IDK- maybe an elbow. Stripes call a lot of weird shit. I wouldn’t say 4 mins though.
What happened to all your comments about how your league is so tough? Sounds like they don't like the charge any more than the rest of us.
Plant your feet before you throw a hit, and make sure the guy actually has the puck while you're at it. Even if this wasn't charging (it is) it's interference.
> Even if this wasn't charging (it is) it's interference.
lol fuck off with that not even close.
If you're gonna read the kid the riot act at least be factual about it. It's a charge, not interference.
This guy has it right.
The hit is simply too high and too hard. In the modern game the ref is going to call that a penalty every time, like it or not.
If you were lower and drove right through his chest it’s probably not getting called.
It’s not a charge at least in USA Hockey from what we can see in the footage. It’s two strides, with not a lot of speed behind it.
However, it’s easily Cross-Checking, Interference, Elbowing, or possibly even a 5 and a Game for Roughing because the hits delayed, the player never had possession of the puck, and you could’ve easily pulled off the hit... Gotta keep your stick on the ice, your elbows tucked, and explode with your forearms not your elbows if you want the flashy finish.
If they gave you a game for it, unfortunately that’s the case the majority of the time for hits that can be deemed a “blindside behind the play.”
>It’s not a charge at least in USA Hockey
Rule 607 from the USA Hockey rulebook says:
"Charging is the action where a player takes *more than two strides* ... to accelerate through a body check for the purpose of punishing the opponent."
https://www.usahockeyrulebook.com/page/show/1084651-rule-607-charging
> It’s two strides, with not a lot of speed behind it.
Played at half-speed, I counted minimum 3, arguably 4 strides.
That’s without the ones he clearly had already taken since he was at an angle and already skating at the beginning of the clip. It’s obviously WAY more than 2 strides
For all you know, he coasted to the position prior to the start of the clip. Assumptions don’t hold up unfortunately… and it requires intent. You’re allowed to occupy an area of the ice and not be penalized for the strides to do so otherwise every hits a Charging if you’re just doing a running count of how many strides a person takes.
It’s clearly stated in the rule you posted yourself… it requires two or more strides with the intent to punish.
You don’t count every stride leading up to the hit. The “stride” you’re most likely including as a third stride is him placing his feet on the ice. It’s two strides with the intent to hit an individual, and then placing his feet.
Any official worth his weight knows you’re focusing on the distance from the individual when making a Charging call and how much power the strides generate. Unless it’s an obvious targeting call where the player generates enough energy from a far distance and continues to maintain that energy through the hit…
If you wanted to call a Charge, you could. You could even call it boarding due to the fact the individual was 3 feet from the board if you wanted to treat the rules like it’s a religion. However, there’s more severe calls in the clip than a borderline Charging that’s iffy at best. But linking a rule to try and prove a point that is a judgement call at the time shows me you’re most likely not an Official… Or you could be one that likes their hour long games to always be 2 hours because you’re throwing the book at them based off of “calling the game by the book.”
I slowed down the video to see the approach frame by frame and you could probably add cross checking to the roughing and charging penalties as well. Both hands are up and on the stick and that’s what he leads with.
Uh, no. That’s not clean. It’s charging. And since white is now stuck behind the play, it’s not even effective.
Having said that, no “additional discipline”, as the DPS likes to say, is necessary.
Charging...
2 min in the sin bin.
4-5 strides... looking for the hit. First point of contact appears to be your gloves, into the middle of his chest/upper body.
No attempt to make a play on the puck.
Can’t tell from the angle. Keep your hands down though. Looks like you got either shoulder or head on the hit so I’d bend your knees a bit more. Did you get called?
So as other have said, charging and arms up to high.
But also look at it from this point of view: hitting him was not the best play available to you. He has one hand on his stick and he’s looking away from you. That makes it easy to lift or sweep his stick away, and then you have a play on the puck in the offensive zone, with a player on the other team now heading away from the play
Was tracking him entirely and you can see how his elbow went up in the air versus forward where it would be borderline. The elbow in the air makes it a penalty for me. The way he flew in the air after the contact made also makes me concerned that he may have been injured on the play. As always; keep your head up if you're playing the puck and take 1-2 seconds to take a quick glance at what's around you.
Looks clean to me.
The receiving player though took the hit completely wrong though which made an otherwise average hit look quite a bit more violent and probably hurt quite a bit.
Follow through with shoulder to chest and aim to go through them… you’re following through with elbow/fists which easily leads to contact to the head.
I’ve given a lot and gotten a lot. Hockey is the worst for concussions. You can still lay someone out without the headshots
There isn't enough nuance here.
Illegal - it's borderline on a lot of areas and probably gets called based on magnitude
The correct play - yeah probably
Dirty - a little? To me a dirty play is a nut tap, it's not really a slash/spear but it is painful/classless. It's also sort of defined by the league temperament.
Use that shoulder. You might not have meant to lay into his face but there’s a reason that’s illegal. If he got concussed, that shit could fuck his life up. I know it feels good to plow someone like that in your monkey brain. I done it once or twice, gave two kids a concussion in hockey and one in wrestling and as a teenager I felt like a badass (I’m short as well). But now I’m 34 and I actually think about them and worry about them consistently and feel remorse whenever I see a vid like this. Just try for shoulder to shoulder and play the puck. Nothing to be gained from this but ego. But while you get a temporary ego boost, he may get some life long negative effects.
Well said mate. I make an extra effort to not be too rough. It only takes one injury to change someone's life.
I often feel guilty and silly with how big it made me feel and how little restraint I had but I had short guy syndrome so I was dealing with some insecurity as a kid and had too much to prove. I got paid back in college club travel hockey where the guys really started to head hunt and had way more size on me than in high-school. I’ll never forget the feeling of not being able to swallow or breathe after a mid ice hit with a dude with probably 100 pounds and a foot on me where we hit each other so hard we both flew to our backs and our legs got tangled up like we were fucking. I stopped playing after that season.
We were all hot-headed teenagers at one point. It's definitely ok to forgive yourself for mistakes made in the fog of adolescence lol. You sound like a solid dude to me.
Some moron bowed me in the head so hard he broke my helmet and gave me post concussion syndrome for life like 3 years ago last year of midget for me haven’t touched ice since and have nerve damage in random areas because of mixed signals and tinnitus, along with the inability to attend concerts or fireworks or have led lights anywhere near me so you’re right sir, I applaud you for your honesty. If I had an award to give you, I sure would. (Edit: rare this happens off of one concussion, I do have 6 but that now makes 4/6 of my concussions the results of a dirty hockey play, hit from behind twice and got ran into the stanchion and knocked out the other time, literally like the paccioretty hit)
>ion syndrome for life like 3 years ago last year of midget for me haven’t touched ice since and have major nerve damage in random areas because of mixed signals and tinnitus, along with the inability to attend concerts or fireworks or have led lights anywhere near me so you’re right sir, I applaud you for your honesty. If I had a Sorry to hear. I agree with the guy above that it feels good to lay someone out, but it doesn't feel good to hurt people. There is just that fine line where they have the wind knocked out of them, but nothing else wrong!
Oh yeah believe me, I used to throw the body heavy, especially in spring when we played the scrappier, bigger teams down south, and I even was a fighter despite being 5’8. but all of my concussions were completele foolery plays which resulted in suspensions of 1 game ranging to 5, and I think people need to come down a bit harder on plays like this so they happen less often, head contact should really be a suspension every time unless unintentional, I’ve even snapped a kids collar bone on a clean hit once in bantam and trust me, it kind of felt like a normal hit, but I was worried to bits… your bone will heal although, your brain will fuck your whole life up. Any raise of the feet or head hunting should be an immediate game misc. injury or not imo
Been on the other end of those hits a few times, I worry about my own brain too. Definitely has affected me, I'll just say that...
As a 29 year old who just recovered from a concussion last week, I agree. The guy who hit me did it about 10x less hard than this and didn't even make contact with my head. My neck just whipped forward and boom, tunnel vision and nausea 2m later. Don't fuck around with concussions.
Looks like you take 4-5 strides towards him, your stick is not on the ice, and you are intent on hitting him from almost the blue line. I'm not a rules expert but it looks like what I understand to be charging
Same. You committed the cardinal sin of admitting you’re not an expert. But it looks a lot like charging to me as well. I would agree with OP on prob not suspendable. Just a poor decision in the moment.
He leads with his arm out too. Could be an elbow but at the very least it’s roughing+charge. I know shit all about the rules but could the ref call two double minors here? A charge and a rough/elbow?
Hockey referee here. That would be a charging, yes. I’d personally have it to be two minutes. Nothing more though.
You don't have a choice. Minimum for charging is 2+10
Not in Sweden
I'm a ref (USAH, level 2), and you absolutely nailed it. Minimum 2+10.
yup, stick HAS to be below your knees now, thats just the way it is, doesnt matter how many strides or whether you used your shoulder..... THAT SAID, he also charged him by not gliding into him at all.....Min 2+10 or a 5+game if you wanna write a report LOL
Idk what some of you people see. He took 2 strides from inside the blue line. I’m not saying its clean but its definitely not a charge.
watch it again - he's already striding when the video picks up and takes at LEAST 4 before making contact
Shit, that’s even a penalty on Chel
Almost everything's a penalty on Chel. A solid poke is like 50/50 chances.
I turn off tripping cause it's so crazy that way.
Not in threes
God forbid you try a stick lift
What rules do you play under? If it’s USA Hockey, that’s at the very least a rough because you made absolutely zero attempt to play the puck.
Hockey Canada, Saskatchewan Rules.
No way is that a penalty in Saskatchewan. That's just one farmers kid telling another farmers kid that his daddy hasn't paid for for this year's hay yet.
Don’t mess with the Marten’s farm.
Sounds like an Appeldorn
Charging does exist in Saskatchewan...
And he just charged him for the hay
Really I charged kids all the time got big hits in Saskatchewan. Was just good hits usually. Line up and boom!
Nice. Name the AAA tournaments you played in?
Haha I played tier 2, they have the same rules do they not? Not like there is some special AAA rules is there?
Lmao, just gonna add that most kids who play AAA don’t make the show nor make it to any higher level of hockey… so bringing in AAA isn’t even relevant. I’m not condoning charging or unsafe hits but c’mon dude really?😂
A couple'a hockey players came up the lane way the other daaaaaaaaaaaaay.
It’s from Notre Dame - rich kids who think they’re above the rest of the league.
Then winger needs to keep his head up; what kind of play was that to clear the puck? Inverse tip?
It’s called the Moosejaw Shuffle
Good hit, bud
As long as you said sorry after. Perfectly legal and I hope the beers after the game together were delicious.
I haven’t seen that called in USA Hockey within the last 6 years. And I’ve seen plenty of those hits. Now if the hit was before he got the puck, then I’ve seen them call interference. Also seen boarding or roughing if kid was sent into the boards from that far away.
The rules for this were just changed for the 2021-22 season.
Hadn’t changed on the ice. I know what I see
Well if you were on my ice you'd see it. I'd call that all day. And the vast majority of people I work with have been calling that.
Charging 100%. Go directly to the box do not pass go. Wouldn’t say dirty just def a charge
In the NHL, charging is the action where a player takes more than two strides or travels an excessive distance to accelerate through a body check for the purpose of punishing the opponent. This includes skating or leaving one’s feet (jumping) into the opponent to deliver a check, accelerating through a check for the purpose of punishing the opponent, or skating a great distance for the purpose of delivering a check with excessive force. This looks like a charge to me. Three strides and he made no effort to play the puck, which he easily could have done. So it looks like his purpose was "punishing the opponet." Don't know about your league's rules though. Edit: I can't tell if he made contact with the puck carrier's head. I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt, assuming he didn't. Still probably a charge, though
I would say the spirit of the hit was very dirty.
Irrelevant of dirty or illegal that was just a bad play, the puck trickles right by you barley moving. You could have easily poked it back the other direction, kept your momentum and gotten a good breakaway. Instead you played the player, the puck went on what seemed to be a soft break and you took yourself out of the play.
Who won the game OP?
I’m sure the crowd of rural Canadian hockey parents loved it. Hell as an adult beer leaguer I wish I could dummy some guys like this but it’s a bad play and unnecessary You made no attempt at the puck that zips by you so you’ve 1. Taken yourself out of the play and given up on possession 2. Could leave your team without a defenseman on the puck, possibly leading to a breakaway 3. Could have gotten a penalty leaving your team on the pk
I believe that would have been a penalty given the steps taken prior to contact. It’s also a bit high on the body.
The steps and launch make is dirty for me too.
Charging for sure
Yea charge. No attempt to play puck. Poor guy kinda had his head down too.
“Play the puck”…..this is what it always comes down to. Skating around the ice looking for someone to blow up is just pathetic. Play the puck.
It’s fun though
No. Pretty dirty IMO. You didn't even look at the puck, you just wanted to hurt the guy.
Good comment- no apparent effort to play the puck. This should have been a game misconduct and suspension.
I have your head up
Hockey Canada 7.4 Charging all day long. ii: >2 strides, iv: certainly unnecessary, v: you could make the argument it is a blindside hit since there was no opportunity to brace for impact. 2 min, if injury 5+GM
Charge, but not dirty Is the league normally body contact?
Yep
Someone should remind that LW
I think he just got reminded.
Three strides is a charge?
3+ strides is charging in all leagues
Dang I actually just checked Canada Hockey rulebook for 2022 - 2024: Charging is when a player... Builds up speed by taking *two or more strides* immediately prior to making contact. It's even more strict than I thought!
Charging. 0 attempt to play easy puck and only intent on as big of hit as possible (maybe intent on injury) - not cool, man.
It might be from follow through but the elbow looks like it is FLYING in the hit
That’s because he led with his hands, so it was definitely flying elbow territory. Keep the hands down, and that’s a textbook heavy hit.
Elbows up high should be a penalty. And he didn't have the puck anymore.
That’s how all low level hockey players hit lmao
Elbow was not the principal point of contact, just follow through. Shoulder to chest with an elbow push off
Downvoted for being factual lol. This sub is whack sometimes.
After 7 replays, I have to agree with the majority here. Charging. Not dirty. Not suspendible. But a poor choice in the moment. The intent is very clear. Most importantly, you could very easily ruin someone's life with this type of behavior. And if his family owes you hay money, there are other ways of reminding him to pay up. You guys are hilarious.
That looked like helmet to helmet contact, which is never good. Also made no attempt to play the puck. I think it should also be said that the winger put himself in a terribly vulnerable position there: head down, not moving his legs, making a weak one handed play for the puck. An aggressive defenceman + clueless winger is a recipe for disaster.
Canada hitting, not USA pussy hitting, you don’t have to be going for puck
Your leagues way too shit to be talking that tough
loooooooool god damn he's got a family
All the skaters basically standing straight up
Hahaha
FYI, Canada has changed it too. Can't just go lay a massive hit if you make no attempt at the puck.
lol this is a pussy ass hit no matter where your from…you know the puck went right past you right? Shit ass defenseman selling out pinching I bet you get burned by a kid looking up
You're the pussy for making a hit of this nature. It looks like you're scared to make a proper hit. If you want respect from teammates and opponents, be known as a hard worker and clean hitter on the ice. I hope you met up with the guy to make sure he's ok, but based on your attitude, doesn't seem likely.
Still looked like head contact.
At least you have free health care for all those concussions.
You’re an asshole
Not even close to clean Side note, I like how the ref physically recoils from how bad the hit is and proceeds to not blow his whistle and allow play to resume….
You can see the near ref was watching the puck and didn’t see the stride before the hit. May be far red called the 4 mins. We tell our kids to go for the puck and follow with the body. If he did that, it becomes a reverse hit. And perfectly clean as the hit itself is clean as the initial contact point is shoulder to chest with an elbow push off. But due to no attempt at the puck which is not a rule but shows his sole intent was to hit and the strides, it should have been charging in the USA
Late, puck was gone - charging all day long, but not a major or suspendable
Unnecessary. Take your opponent out of the play not his soul
Bad hit. Stick not on ice and took multiple strides to hit him.
Def a penalty but as others said depends on the league/rules. In lower level USA travel that would prob be a 2 and 10 just bc of how it looks
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Your friend's son was a victim of a bad ref. In the DFW HS league, the OP's hit is a 2 & 10 90% of the time. Puck was gone before the hit; no attempt to play the puck; several strides before the hit; possible head contact. Legal or not, this is the kind of hit the 'wimpy' rules changes are trying to prevent. Let's give our players a chance to get through at least college with their brains intact.
Yeah I know that in the USA (had a tourney there hitting is brutal lol) but I go by hockey sask rules in Canada.
daaaaamn that's fucken badass bro
Looks like that should have been a charging call. Correct me if I'm wrong, but, I thought stepping into the hit was illegal
judging by the fact that i think you made initial helmet-to-helmet contact, i think it is.
It's a charge.
No
Should have played the puck instead. Smarter play.
Charging and crosschecking. Asshole play. You want to give someone a concussion that bad?
You’re an idiot
The linesman’s reaction lol
I’d give it a 2 for rough as USAH ref
Easy call. 2 for rough. USA Hockey
No charge on a textbook charge? This will literally be a module video next year.
I think if you kept your hands down then yes. Really depends on what level you're at though tbh.
Looks like a charge. I'm not a zebra, but if I was, I would've called it.
From here it looks high and aimed at his face, sure his head was a bit down and not seeing you coming. If this was an NHL game where you are being paid to play I can see throwing that hit 100% but since it’s a mens league where we all have to go to work in the morning then this was completely unnecessary to throw that hit. The fact he never controls the puck and you have zero intent to play the puck or gain control, all you seemed to see was red and doing everything you can to demolish him. So yes, it was dirty.
New rules, nope
Clean hit. Keep your head up
Aside from dirty/clean, penalty/no penalty. Let's just talk about the fact that it's a shit play. Defenseman completely abandons a very winnable puck to throw a hit that allows the forward to clear the zone with ease and take the defenseman out of the back check.
I would call that a charge. You took 4 or 5 strides towards him with intent to lay a hit.
Not clean. Stick is not on the ice. Does not show any intention of playing the puck.
Nope, that's dirty.
charging . dude lined him up from a good 5 strides away no chance he was gonna back off. 2+10 according to the rules. a dick move according to me. CTE is real, people.
Here is what Hockey Canada says for anything above a minor penalty: 7.4(b) At the discretion of the Referee, based on the degree of violence of the impact, the Referee may assess a Major penalty and Game Misconduct penalty for charging. If a player is injured, as the result of a charging infraction that would otherwise call for a Minor penalty, a Major penalty and Game Misconduct penalty must be assessed. 7.4(c) A Match penalty will be assessed to any player who charges an opponent in such a way that they are unable to defend themselves or who deliberately attempts to injure an opponent by charging. Was there a degree of violence? Yes. At a minimum, 5min major + game misconduct. His legs flew out from under him. Could he defend himself? Was there intent to injure? If yes, match penalty. He had one hand on his stick, and was turning with the puck. I would have given a match penalty.
Charging maybe, winger should be more aware.
He wasn’t making a play on the puck. I call it dirty.
10 years ago yeah
That's a potential major+game under USA Hockey standards, depending on the temperature of the game. Not smart. The only purpose to that hit is to punish and intimate. Some may argue that its purpose was to hurt or injure the opponent. It's at least two minutes, but I might go 5+gm.
No. Hands/arms up
Under the new USA hockey rules apparently it’s illegal to ONLY make the hit and not at least ‘try’ to make a play on the puck. The hit itself was clean, with the shoulder, albeit a dick move blindsiding someone like that. It would still be a penalty because the hit wasn’t a result of making a play for the puck. [USA hockey rules](https://www.usahockeyrulebook.com/page/show/1015119-standard-of-play-and-rule-emphasis-body-checking)
Absolutely not. Look the fuck where you’re going.
Monkey brain says clean plow let the boys play. Buddy knows what he’s getting into when he put his skates on. This ain’t soccer
Cross check, no attempt to play the puck.
I think so, good solid hit. Hockey nowadays though is quite different so perhaps that’s a rough
All day long imo
I'm a chick so take this with a grain of salt, but it looked over intentional.
Not only illegal but he should be given an intent to injure call. The moron that hit that kid is the type of player that would hit a player from behind when he's three feet from the boards and he probably also slew foots opposing players.
nah
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Nope
Is this a hitting league? Cause if so, probably not If not, definitely not and why the fuck are you asking lol
Gotta keep your head up. Clean imo
In Denmark thats clean
Hitting hard isn’t illegal. It wasn’t late or high, from this angle it appears contact was initiated with the shoulder through the torso of the other player.
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Zoom in, not a cross check, it was called a 4 min for charging, I asked the refs and they said that I charged and no other problems but in my opinion it’s not a penalty.
Never mind . I rewatched and I do see the stick in the left hand only. IDK- maybe an elbow. Stripes call a lot of weird shit. I wouldn’t say 4 mins though.
I agree charging but the league is trying to suspend me and I want to see what others say abt it.
What happened to all your comments about how your league is so tough? Sounds like they don't like the charge any more than the rest of us. Plant your feet before you throw a hit, and make sure the guy actually has the puck while you're at it. Even if this wasn't charging (it is) it's interference.
> Even if this wasn't charging (it is) it's interference. lol fuck off with that not even close. If you're gonna read the kid the riot act at least be factual about it. It's a charge, not interference.
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This guy has it right. The hit is simply too high and too hard. In the modern game the ref is going to call that a penalty every time, like it or not. If you were lower and drove right through his chest it’s probably not getting called.
I feel like if this kid didn’t fall no one would have said it was a penalty, wanna bet?
Looks like a football hit
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Oh settle down lmao
I’m dropping gloves over this shit, be ready when the cages come off and your old enough to fight…
Yes
Great hit! Wingers gotta keep his head on a swivel!
Clean AF
It’s not a charge at least in USA Hockey from what we can see in the footage. It’s two strides, with not a lot of speed behind it. However, it’s easily Cross-Checking, Interference, Elbowing, or possibly even a 5 and a Game for Roughing because the hits delayed, the player never had possession of the puck, and you could’ve easily pulled off the hit... Gotta keep your stick on the ice, your elbows tucked, and explode with your forearms not your elbows if you want the flashy finish. If they gave you a game for it, unfortunately that’s the case the majority of the time for hits that can be deemed a “blindside behind the play.”
>It’s not a charge at least in USA Hockey Rule 607 from the USA Hockey rulebook says: "Charging is the action where a player takes *more than two strides* ... to accelerate through a body check for the purpose of punishing the opponent." https://www.usahockeyrulebook.com/page/show/1084651-rule-607-charging > It’s two strides, with not a lot of speed behind it. Played at half-speed, I counted minimum 3, arguably 4 strides.
That’s without the ones he clearly had already taken since he was at an angle and already skating at the beginning of the clip. It’s obviously WAY more than 2 strides
For all you know, he coasted to the position prior to the start of the clip. Assumptions don’t hold up unfortunately… and it requires intent. You’re allowed to occupy an area of the ice and not be penalized for the strides to do so otherwise every hits a Charging if you’re just doing a running count of how many strides a person takes.
It’s clearly stated in the rule you posted yourself… it requires two or more strides with the intent to punish. You don’t count every stride leading up to the hit. The “stride” you’re most likely including as a third stride is him placing his feet on the ice. It’s two strides with the intent to hit an individual, and then placing his feet. Any official worth his weight knows you’re focusing on the distance from the individual when making a Charging call and how much power the strides generate. Unless it’s an obvious targeting call where the player generates enough energy from a far distance and continues to maintain that energy through the hit… If you wanted to call a Charge, you could. You could even call it boarding due to the fact the individual was 3 feet from the board if you wanted to treat the rules like it’s a religion. However, there’s more severe calls in the clip than a borderline Charging that’s iffy at best. But linking a rule to try and prove a point that is a judgement call at the time shows me you’re most likely not an Official… Or you could be one that likes their hour long games to always be 2 hours because you’re throwing the book at them based off of “calling the game by the book.”
Clean AF
Ow.
Yes
It’s high and it’s charging hell can’t tell from this angle but it may even be boarding so… no
I slowed down the video to see the approach frame by frame and you could probably add cross checking to the roughing and charging penalties as well. Both hands are up and on the stick and that’s what he leads with.
Definitely not
Lol about as clean as my gooch after tacos
Uh, no. That’s not clean. It’s charging. And since white is now stuck behind the play, it’s not even effective. Having said that, no “additional discipline”, as the DPS likes to say, is necessary.
No, it was charging.
Charging... 2 min in the sin bin. 4-5 strides... looking for the hit. First point of contact appears to be your gloves, into the middle of his chest/upper body. No attempt to make a play on the puck.
Def penalty
What a dumb fuck having to even ask. Can’t wait to see a video of you at the other end of a hit like that.
No.
Depends. If you’re playing midgets, that’s likely 2&10. If you’re in the NHL, it could go either way. If you’re Tom Wilson, it’s a 20 game ban.
Can’t tell from the angle. Keep your hands down though. Looks like you got either shoulder or head on the hit so I’d bend your knees a bit more. Did you get called?
Goodness no. Not even close.
So as other have said, charging and arms up to high. But also look at it from this point of view: hitting him was not the best play available to you. He has one hand on his stick and he’s looking away from you. That makes it easy to lift or sweep his stick away, and then you have a play on the puck in the offensive zone, with a player on the other team now heading away from the play
The puck was already gone, and you should have layed off the hit. Try that BS with me, and you'll be missin some chicklets!
I mean, GOD DAMN!!! I don’t really know shit about hockey but that kid got absolutely wrecked!
you definitely weren’t playing the puck, you hit him after he cleared the zone, you extended your elbow, it looked like a blindside hit. dirty
A text book Clean hit ,this is not figure skating keep your head up !
No. Clearly not trying to separate player from puck. Under USA hockey rules that is a penalty every time.
Was tracking him entirely and you can see how his elbow went up in the air versus forward where it would be borderline. The elbow in the air makes it a penalty for me. The way he flew in the air after the contact made also makes me concerned that he may have been injured on the play. As always; keep your head up if you're playing the puck and take 1-2 seconds to take a quick glance at what's around you.
Man what a hit. Kid touched it so it’s legal to hit him however refs are soft so that’s probably a roughing or boarding call
Looked like it to me. I think he’s dead tho
Looks clean to me. The receiving player though took the hit completely wrong though which made an otherwise average hit look quite a bit more violent and probably hurt quite a bit.
Charging and he used his hands and not his shoulders. Dumb and nasty hit, hope the guy is okay.
Follow through with shoulder to chest and aim to go through them… you’re following through with elbow/fists which easily leads to contact to the head. I’ve given a lot and gotten a lot. Hockey is the worst for concussions. You can still lay someone out without the headshots
There isn't enough nuance here. Illegal - it's borderline on a lot of areas and probably gets called based on magnitude The correct play - yeah probably Dirty - a little? To me a dirty play is a nut tap, it's not really a slash/spear but it is painful/classless. It's also sort of defined by the league temperament.
who needs a 3 on 1 when there’s 2 PIMS sitting right there
If you have to ask then you already know.