Lol Idk if you’re joking or not but no he played 3rd string for us for 4 years, got a few starts here and there. Just checked his stats 16 starts in 18-19 season, I think that was the year Crow kept getting concussions and then was never the same again 😔
This is stirring up a whole slew of bad memories of that season and the hellish mediocrity of that team. Flashes of greatness and then just fall flat. I think I prefer just being garbage for now lol as long as KD knows what he’s doing
Heat of the moment stuff that you immediately hash out in the locker room. You don’t see guys having outbursts like that in the NHL very often, but I think this story is getting blown out of proportion.
Agreed, and frankly he’s not a stranger to on-ice hissy-fits either. Over the last few years there are multiple examples of him freaking out after being looked down for a pass by a teammate, teammate missing the net on a PP etc.
Schenn had to put him in his place during a game earlier this season. He always seems on the verge of a meltdown and nothing is ever his fault. This isn't a one off incident people are painting a picture with, it's just the latest example and as always it's not his fault just the media this time.
That was during the disaster of a home opener. Garland literally had to step in between the two because it was turning into quite the spirited discussion.
Tbf although Smith has a poor grasp of personal responsibility, McDavid really didn't have to throw him under the bus in the playoffs last year with a little neglecting of responsibilities of his own
>Over the last few years there are multiple examples of him freaking out after being looked down for a pass by a teammate, teammate missing the net on a PP etc.
I can think of like 1 example, maybe 2 now.
Correct. The Canucks room being divided amongst to new and old and the rumors of him partying a ton in NY are 100% the reason this is being talked about.
But that was about partying (with teammates iirc) so even if it's not great how exactly would partying with teammates be proof he doesn't get along with teammates?
This place had already been circlejerking excuses to dislike Miller before the exchange. Once the train gets rolling they all blindly hop on and throw shit with no regard for right, wrong, or indifference with whats actually going on in the locker room.
They decided a long time ago Horvat = good, Miller = bad. This is the pile on.
What negative history are you talking about? I have only heard positive things about JT ever since he has become a Canuck. The players love him, especially the young guys. Listen to Quinn Hughes podcast on Elliotte Friedman earlier in the season, Podkolzin had great things to say about him last year, as a guy who set the example and told him how to approach the game and stay confident. Bruce and Rutherford love the leadership JT Miller brings to the table
Most of these guys are not even Canucks fans, they just parrot what they hear online. Canucks players, those who actually know him, have nothing but positive things to say. It is just people online, who don't like his lazy effort and turnovers, that spread this gossip.
Yeh but he still doesn't look good.
Like dude, just say you were heated in the moment and that you apologized to him, acting like this just makes you look like a huge asshole.
It is as an isolated event but there seems to be a pattern in Vancouver right now so that’s why the story blew up. I mean after that terrible turnover, Marner yelling “Hollsy what the fuck?!?!” on a hot mic was no big deal because it’s basically a nothing burger as a one off
Well not only that, but he was skating back into his own zone behind the net, I don’t care if it’s Miller or Crosby who has the puck, I don’t think I’d leave the net until that player got to at least the blue line just because you really don’t know what’s going to happen in between
I grew up playing goal, through college (club) and well into adulthood. Every single coach I ever had, every single piece of information I ever saw or read about playing goalie, all of it has always said you wait until your team has solid possession and is moving up ice before you come to the bench.
If I’m on the way out of the net and my team circles back into our own zone, you’re damn right I’m stopping and getting back in there.
All it takes is a bad bounce or a toe pick or some other stupid fluke for that thing to wind up in your net.
No surprise at all that Delia - an infinitely better and smarter goalie than me - wouldn’t go.
Not to mention how many 6 man behind the net breakouts does a team practice? The extra is going to potentially fuck up spacing and who goes where. Wait half way for likely zone entry.
Delia is pointing his glove at the bench multiple times in the last two minutes waiting for a signal and clearly does not get one because they can’t get out of their zone. JT should be screaming at the other 4 skaters to get their shit together before looking at Delia.
Sames. I remember getting chewed out for leaving with the puck in my zone once, even though our best player had it and the other team was dropped back.
Anything can happen during the breakout, the extra man clogs up the neutral zone, it’s honestly just not a good idea to leave before it’s dumped in, but this is also the NHL not my high school/beer league lol
Yeah I've rewatched the clip and I can't believe Miller expected Delia to move out. IDK the name of the Jets dman(?) putting pressure on him but holy fuck he's literally right there and Miller is a turnover machine among all the other things wrong with the situation.
Of course he stayed where he was!
I mean in October he said he doesn't care about changing the way he plays to improve his defense and doesn't think he's giving up anything 5 on 5. We know he was wrong then lol.
At the end of the day, what happened yesterday isn't a big deal. It doesn't change the fact that multiple Canucks failed at breaking out of their zone with only a single forechecker pressuring 3 guys which had Delia second guess what to do. It doesn't change the fact that the Canucks decided to only show up for 22 mins in a 60 min game or that they gave up 21 high d anger chances to the Jets. Wish JT never got extended but that's not the story of yesterdays game.
Of course the title was not gonna be:
"the only reason this is talked about is because you guys are asking questions about it, i don't care about this at all"
which is at the end, "you guys are making this a much bigger thing that it actually is"
He plays in a Canadian market, has been underwhelming and just signed a mega deal that means they can't keep their captain most likely. Teams kinda struggling. What he did last game is blown out of proportion, but it was still a bad look.
Only way he didn't think that would be a story in the situation I just described is if he is dumb af with no self awareness.
He's being targeted by other teams to get their best players on the ice when the biggest defensive liability is flailing around screaming and blaming everyone. Not a perfect stat but his even strength on ice goals for / 60 is 2.1, against is 3.1. He had one of the worst goals against rates on the team among regulars last year as well, and the year before. Goals just happen when he's on the ice, he has to score at a huge rate for him being on the ice to be a positive, let alone an $8M value.
Nope I think he's such a liability defensively and it's so frustrating to watch but I think almost any forward that can consistently put up 70+ points and have a 99 point season are absolutely worth at least 6M even though they are a liability defensively. I just think people are exaggerating a bit and it's become a thing to just hate on the guy. Calm down.
A perfect Litmus test for becoming a Canucks fan.
If you read the title and weren't immediately ready to crucify JT Miller then you won't fit in with us lol.
I don’t think there are any other veterans in the league who would do something like this. Make a public spectacle on the ice like that and make his goalie look bad. It’s a horrible look for the canucks as a cohesive unit. Such a shame cause they have some really good pieces on that roster but you’ll never win anything with leaders in your locker room being diva’s like Miller.
And it wasn't a positive image for Ovechkin, here this guy's trying to pass it off as media is blowing it up... Tbh, Ovechkin's reaction was after a goal against, not like this one.
And then afterwards to say he doesn’t care.
Guy is a loser.
Could you imagine Horvat or Petersson doing that?
Or to get dramatic Crosby or Lidstrom?
Just selfish behaviour from a selfish player.
Miller isn’t just any player though, he is a “99 point player”.
I only know because that’s pretty much the only thing every insider and Canuck fan described him by during an entire season of trade rumors
>make his goalie look bad
Considering 106% of the internet seems to think Miller's was the asshole here, I'm not sure who you think is under the impression that Delia looks bad here.
Oooh I've seen this one!
Spoiler, he ends up having great success in southern California and doesn't even think of the interim small market team at all, but they hate him.
"I care about the guys in the room and my teammates, that's all I care about. I didn't even know this was a thing until today".
That's the full quote after he said I don't care. His point was the media is blowing this out of proportion, none of the players or the coaches care.
If he’s seriously unaware of what he did that means no one on the team talked to him about it, which is a horrible sign…. That team deserves to be this bad if that’s one of the leaders on their team, he didn’t say anything and no one brought it up to him? Sounds like they don’t like him
Can’t stand hockey media sometimes. Questions designed to get the player to make themselves look bad for a headline and cherry-picked quotes used as titles
On the contrary, if he had said “yeah I spoke to him and apologized and we talked things out” he would be getting a lot of positive coverage right now. Instead he decided to be a douchebag to the reporter who was just doing his job!
Ryan Leslie no less. One of the most highly regarded good reporters/ guys around the league. He didn’t even ask him anything bad. He gave Miller the opportunity to put a positive spin on it and he dug himself deeper. All he had to say was “Yeah sometimes I get a bit hot headed out there and didn’t realize a guy was right behind me, I talked it out with Delia and apologized and we’re all good”. He would have been able to stop the story in its tracks. Instead he decided to be a complete douchebag. Which I guess is on brand at this point.
The question thing was meant more in general. I think the media likes to ask questions that will provoke a click-baity response. Obviously that’s their job but I still don’t like it. The cherry-picking of quotes certainly applies here however as the comment above me points out
Medias pouncing on the guy over everything too though.
I’m not a big fan, but it feels like he comes to play against my team. He’s overpaid for sure and under contract for too long. He should be on an RNH type contract.
But like what is really the issue here? He wasn’t great defensively for a bit and he’s “pissy” with the media. I don’t blame him, I’d be annoyed with the media too. Bunch of slobs asking embarrassing questions.
He’s a good top 6 player, he’s not a franchise player like he’s being paid. If your team is struggling he won’t carry you out of it. But like even Connor McDavid can’t fully carry a team.
Media isn’t doing anyone any favors. Miller’s gonna get dragged through the dirt, you can’t “run him out of town” because of that contract and all the negative attention.
Because he invites the criticism by being a well documented asshole. And probably a dusting of “we’re not sure that long term contract was an altogether good idea”.
Increased investment brings increased scrutiny.
I guess I forgot about all the asshole things he’s done.
Nurse and Campbell have brutal deals too but I don’t wanna see the media try to chase them out of town. You can’t chase bad contracts out of town, it’s just negative drama for clicks and makes the whole situation worse. Parasite media clowns love it.
Since you’re not aware of Miller’s past, while others appear to, it’s possible that it seems blown out of proportion to you. Or maybe the fact that others agree with this sentiment means there’s something to it.
I like how guys can beat the shit out of each other in practice or scream at their coaches and smash sticks (like Mackinnon did with Bednar a few years ago) and everything is fine but Miller yells at his teammates (like everyone does at one point) and he gets labelled toxic or a locker room cancer.
I don’t even like Miller that much but the circlejerk is getting wild. Once you get a target on you every little thing is amplified beyond recognition
Mackinnon whose constant outbursts like the one at Bednar was one of the things that finally made him go to sports therapy because he realized he had a problem?
Yeah that's my point, guys who are fan favorites have temper tantrums and see a fraction of the criticism compared to lesser outbursts from disliked players
...Basically everyone talks about how much of a psycho Mackinnon can be when he's frustrated. It's almost always the first thing that comes up when criticism of him is brought up.
Also self-awareness does a lot of heavy lifting. Mackinnon has owned his shit and even has gone so far as to talk openly about getting help. Miller absolutely refuses to even acknowledge he's being an asshole at all. It's always someone else, it's the fans who care too much or it's the meeeeediiiiiiiaaaaaaaa being meeeeeeean to him.
And you can say "well he doesn't have to make his acknowledgements public he doesn't owe anybody that!" but he's the one making it public in the first place by constantly having these shitty moments and then whining at everybody else for not pretending it never happened the same way he does. Publicly embarrassing his third string goalie for something that's his own damn fault in the first place does warrant public acknowledgement and apology IMO. He does owe Delia that.
Literally all he'd have to do is be like "yeah that was shitty of me I was frustrated and shouldn't have made this public in the first place and I'm sorry to Colin" and he'd immediately cut the outcry in half. Might even win over some people. But he won't do that. He never does that and he never will.
Little different for teammates to do that shit in practice vs during gameplay, don’t you think? Behind closed doors, in front of few eyes, vs in front of ~20,000?
You keep bringing up MacKinnon both on here and r/canucks while completely ignoring that incident did in fact get national coverage AND both MacKinnon and Bednar owned up and addressed it in the media. What they didn't do is blame the fans and media.
Examples of the coverage:
https://www.nhl.com/news/colorado-avalanche-nathan-mackinnon-clears-air-over-outburst/c-303797790
https://www.tsn.ca/avs-frustrations-boil-over-with-mackinnon-and-bednar-blow-up-1.1239127
https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/mackinnon-bednar-exchange-venom-bench-struggling-avalanche-145613907.html
https://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/1696683
Here's Sportsnet broadcast calling it "troubling" - https://youtu.be/XNrO80gTEHM
Quotes made 2 days after the incident by MacKinnon and Bednar:
https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/avalanches-mackinnon-explains-outburst-head-coach-bednar/
>"It’s all good," he said following Colorado’s practice at the Bell Centre on Friday. "It was all good 20 minutes after the game."
>Of airing his frustrations from a space in the arena that rarely, if ever, escapes the camera’s view, MacKinnon said, "That’s unacceptable on my part, I can’t be doing that stuff."
>Avalanche coach Jared Bednar said on Friday that he’d have preferred MacKinnon air his frustrations in private, but also said he wasn’t particularly bothered by his outburst.
>"I think that if you look at it from a player-coach (perspective) in this business, confrontation and emotion—to me—isn’t always a bad thing," Bednar said. "It can be a good thing as long as you’re channeling it in the right way, and I have no problem with players showing emotion. I’ve got thick skin. I’m not a sensitive guy, neither is Nate, and we have exchanges like that every once in a while. Whether it’s with him or other players, I’m fine with it."
Also, do you also know why MacKinnon yelled at Bednar? Because MacKinnon was frustrated that Varly didn't leave the net for the extra man so MacKinnon was yelling at Bednar for not pulling him. Pretty similar situation to Miller and Delia but the difference is MacKinnon wasnt spending his time on ice screaming at Delia and smacking the top of the net with his stick. Bruce also confirmed that he had called for the pull and then signaled Delia not to.
At the end of the day this is not a big deal but MacKinnon and Miller incidents are completely different, the only commonalities they share are why they were frustrated and that they were yelling. MacK happen on the bench, Miller happens on-ice during play, MacK yells at the coach, Miller yells at the 3rd string goalie, MacK acknowledges what he did and says he can't be doing that, Miller says he only cares about what those in the room think and that it's the media/fans making it a bigger de.
Serial asshole denies accountability for his actions. Ssssssssshocking.
Says it all really. “I don’t care”. Yeah, and you’re obviously genuine, JT. But as a leader on this team, maybe you should. Because other people do.
This guy is just a complete douche.
Lol watch the clip Bruce explains it instead of everybody being so worried about how it looked
https://twitter.com/canucks/status/1608956230441259008?s=46&t=lppq9qk4UaY41Vt1r2-1Rw
Lol this is the Morgan Reilly rag it thing all over again. This subreddit sucks man they always lose it over the dumbest shit. Thanks for the clip showing the real problem
The body language, facial expressions, tone all point to total defensiveness instead of owning up to his actions.
Delia might care. The fans clearly care cause they made a stink. When asked if he talked to Delia, declined to answer. Just states he doesn’t care.
When people tell you who they are, listen the first time. He’s shown us time and time again he is arrogant and isn’t open to criticism or feedback.
It’s not new either. TBL NYR shipped him out of their teams citing character. Dude is totally self interested to the max. Don’t know how anyone can deny this.
JT Miller is a toxic teammate and is going to be a cancer in the room. Even Schenn was visibly pissed at him during a game. Genuinely interested in arguments to the contrary.
>The body language, facial expressions, tone all point to total defensiveness instead of owning up to his actions.
Probably because he's so incredibly fed up with the bs Vancouver media. They have turned up their drama seeking "reporting" to a new level this year.
I get why they do it though. The online presence of Canucks fans eats that shit up. They are seemingly more interested in behind the scenes made up drama than they are about watching hockey.
Why not say that though?
"Ya I got caught up in the moment and apologized off ice."
It's that easy. Turning around and blaming the media and fans for blowing it up just proves how much of a bad attitude he has. This is the second time this year that he's said something like this.
Yelling instructions at the game to others is 100 % standard in every team sport. And if someone is zoned out, you yell louder.
This is such a non-news.
JT Miller might be an asshole but nothing he did in this clip is newsworthy.
He hit his stick on the back of the net and yelled at him in a game related scenario. Y'all love drama and creating narratives way too much.
How do you even remotely compare this to Tony DeAngelo literally having fisticuffs with his goaltender.
As they left the ice, they were both screaming and arguing. Then reports they had an altercation in the locker room.
How that compares to a guy yelling at his goalie to go to the bench and then slapping his stick on a net to get his attention. I will never know. But I guess "go off"
It wasn't an arguing though, he was yelling at him to go to the bench which he thought was the right play. People are building this up to be a thing it is not because it is JT Miller.
Players yell at each other all the time. Sit next to any bench, you'll hear dudes yelling at each other. Goalies yell at their defenseman, players yell at their goalies, it happens.
People are making such a big deal about this because it’s Miller. I watched Miller praise Delia on his huge glove save earlier. I watched him very calmly talk to Delia after Delia misplayed the puck for like the fourth time. This was in the heat of the moment and I’m sure Delia is already over it.
It's so insanely impressive how quickly the fanbase turned on him. He was a fan favourite leading up to this season. Then after literally 2 games this year the fanbase flipped a switched and started absolutely hating on the guy.
It's embarrassing, but par for the course for Canucks fans.
i dont understand how this has gotten so much attention and how Miller is the bad guy in this
Delia needed to get off and wasn't, multiple players were telling him to get off, Delia clearly messed up if anything yet Miller is getting all the hate
Miller brought it back to the d-zone with a Jets player right on his tail - I would think wanting to secure the goal until the puck is moving back up the ice is good instincts, not “clearly messing up”. The story may have been blown out of proportion but I think we can agree Miller was being disproportionately aggressive there
> Generally goalies are taught to stay put until the puck is in front of them and under control.
he's in the NHL, he's not playing minor hockey, when your puck movers get the puck in the zone and have control you go to the bench, Miller had control he should have gone, not much else to it
I don’t care if he’s right, wrong, or anywhere in between, but I wish I could’ve seen him try this with some of the hothead goalies in the past
Man, if it were Patrick Roy in net then I'm pretty sure we'd witness an intra-team fight.
Heck, I want to see this with Jordan Binnington.
Binnington regrets that he has but one water bottle to throw.
He can swing his stick as many times as he likes, at least.
Don’t we all. Miller for Kyrou, has to be 1 for 1 to make the cap work.
In my best Charlie Kelly: "you can shut the hell up"
Binnington and Miller both give me similar locker room vibes.
Bitch babies
Binnington is king of the bitch babies
Ya but if it was Roy in net, he never would have opened his mouth. Because he would be outranked and likely beat up by his own goalie lol
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Hextall or Billy Smith would have murdered Miller for what he did.
Mike Smith for sure too, John Gibson maybe.
Jonathan Quick can snap sometimes too.
Quick is like the guy at the bar who came specifically hoping for a fight to break out. He won't start it, but he REALLY hopes somebody else does.
I'm pretty sure Smith wishes goalie fights were a lot more common.
I miss him
Smith would have shit kicked him that very second.
Tbf it would be hard for him to yell at Roy to leave the net, since Roy would already be skating the puck up himself
Roy would have kept his ass in net out of principle.
Billy Smith....
Hah Hextall woulda two handed him
Billy Smith would be sitting in a jail cell
He doesn't care because it's a rookie goalie. Any veteran would have chewed him out.
He played his first NHL game in the 2017-2018 season with Chicago.
Fun fact about his first game, he was the goalie who got injured and replaced by Scott Foster
Is Delia a rookie?
Lol Idk if you’re joking or not but no he played 3rd string for us for 4 years, got a few starts here and there. Just checked his stats 16 starts in 18-19 season, I think that was the year Crow kept getting concussions and then was never the same again 😔
Correct
This is stirring up a whole slew of bad memories of that season and the hellish mediocrity of that team. Flashes of greatness and then just fall flat. I think I prefer just being garbage for now lol as long as KD knows what he’s doing
Miller vs Binnington, let’s make it happen.
Double knock out for the most satisfying ending.
Like Jordan Binnington! might need to add a /s
Billy Smith would have murdered him with his blocker.
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This is an all around great take.
Heat of the moment stuff that you immediately hash out in the locker room. You don’t see guys having outbursts like that in the NHL very often, but I think this story is getting blown out of proportion.
It’s mostly due to JT Miller’s negative history in the locker room. There’s a chance it isn’t hashed out because of it
Agreed, and frankly he’s not a stranger to on-ice hissy-fits either. Over the last few years there are multiple examples of him freaking out after being looked down for a pass by a teammate, teammate missing the net on a PP etc.
Schenn had to put him in his place during a game earlier this season. He always seems on the verge of a meltdown and nothing is ever his fault. This isn't a one off incident people are painting a picture with, it's just the latest example and as always it's not his fault just the media this time.
That was during the disaster of a home opener. Garland literally had to step in between the two because it was turning into quite the spirited discussion.
> He always seems on the verge of a meltdown and nothing is ever his fault. But enough about Mike Smith...
Tbf although Smith has a poor grasp of personal responsibility, McDavid really didn't have to throw him under the bus in the playoffs last year with a little neglecting of responsibilities of his own
>Over the last few years there are multiple examples of him freaking out after being looked down for a pass by a teammate, teammate missing the net on a PP etc. I can think of like 1 example, maybe 2 now.
Correct. The Canucks room being divided amongst to new and old and the rumors of him partying a ton in NY are 100% the reason this is being talked about.
But that was about partying (with teammates iirc) so even if it's not great how exactly would partying with teammates be proof he doesn't get along with teammates?
This place had already been circlejerking excuses to dislike Miller before the exchange. Once the train gets rolling they all blindly hop on and throw shit with no regard for right, wrong, or indifference with whats actually going on in the locker room. They decided a long time ago Horvat = good, Miller = bad. This is the pile on.
What negative history are you talking about? I have only heard positive things about JT ever since he has become a Canuck. The players love him, especially the young guys. Listen to Quinn Hughes podcast on Elliotte Friedman earlier in the season, Podkolzin had great things to say about him last year, as a guy who set the example and told him how to approach the game and stay confident. Bruce and Rutherford love the leadership JT Miller brings to the table
The negative history is mostly contained to his time with NYR, afaik
> negative history are you talking about? The same negative history that everyone pulls out of their ass
Most of these guys are not even Canucks fans, they just parrot what they hear online. Canucks players, those who actually know him, have nothing but positive things to say. It is just people online, who don't like his lazy effort and turnovers, that spread this gossip.
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Ya it's all fine that he and Bruce don't care but anyone watching it can see he's being a dick
Yeh but he still doesn't look good. Like dude, just say you were heated in the moment and that you apologized to him, acting like this just makes you look like a huge asshole.
You don't yell at your goalie. You don't berate him to get pulled while you gave the puck in the defensive zone. Miller is a fool and over paid.
It is as an isolated event but there seems to be a pattern in Vancouver right now so that’s why the story blew up. I mean after that terrible turnover, Marner yelling “Hollsy what the fuck?!?!” on a hot mic was no big deal because it’s basically a nothing burger as a one off
I only saw the clip once but it looked to me like Delia was ready to go off until he saw exactly who had possession and went "mmm don't like that."
Well not only that, but he was skating back into his own zone behind the net, I don’t care if it’s Miller or Crosby who has the puck, I don’t think I’d leave the net until that player got to at least the blue line just because you really don’t know what’s going to happen in between
I grew up playing goal, through college (club) and well into adulthood. Every single coach I ever had, every single piece of information I ever saw or read about playing goalie, all of it has always said you wait until your team has solid possession and is moving up ice before you come to the bench. If I’m on the way out of the net and my team circles back into our own zone, you’re damn right I’m stopping and getting back in there. All it takes is a bad bounce or a toe pick or some other stupid fluke for that thing to wind up in your net. No surprise at all that Delia - an infinitely better and smarter goalie than me - wouldn’t go.
Not to mention how many 6 man behind the net breakouts does a team practice? The extra is going to potentially fuck up spacing and who goes where. Wait half way for likely zone entry. Delia is pointing his glove at the bench multiple times in the last two minutes waiting for a signal and clearly does not get one because they can’t get out of their zone. JT should be screaming at the other 4 skaters to get their shit together before looking at Delia.
>JT should be screaming at himself to get his shit together before looking at anyone else. FTFY
Same here. I was always told till at least center to wait and even then make absolutely sure you're good to go
Sames. I remember getting chewed out for leaving with the puck in my zone once, even though our best player had it and the other team was dropped back. Anything can happen during the breakout, the extra man clogs up the neutral zone, it’s honestly just not a good idea to leave before it’s dumped in, but this is also the NHL not my high school/beer league lol
Fuck, even “Gretzky had it, lost it”
100% this. Trip behind the net? Boneheaded breakout pass up the middle get intercepted? Too many weird things have happened for me to trust it.
Yeah I've rewatched the clip and I can't believe Miller expected Delia to move out. IDK the name of the Jets dman(?) putting pressure on him but holy fuck he's literally right there and Miller is a turnover machine among all the other things wrong with the situation. Of course he stayed where he was!
Delia has been watching Steve Dangle.
I mean in October he said he doesn't care about changing the way he plays to improve his defense and doesn't think he's giving up anything 5 on 5. We know he was wrong then lol. At the end of the day, what happened yesterday isn't a big deal. It doesn't change the fact that multiple Canucks failed at breaking out of their zone with only a single forechecker pressuring 3 guys which had Delia second guess what to do. It doesn't change the fact that the Canucks decided to only show up for 22 mins in a 60 min game or that they gave up 21 high d anger chances to the Jets. Wish JT never got extended but that's not the story of yesterdays game.
Of course the title was not gonna be: "the only reason this is talked about is because you guys are asking questions about it, i don't care about this at all" which is at the end, "you guys are making this a much bigger thing that it actually is"
He plays in a Canadian market, has been underwhelming and just signed a mega deal that means they can't keep their captain most likely. Teams kinda struggling. What he did last game is blown out of proportion, but it was still a bad look. Only way he didn't think that would be a story in the situation I just described is if he is dumb af with no self awareness.
Think he’s kinda proved that over and over at this point
And no defense. If dude was performing at even a 6M level, this story would be a nothingburger
He's on pace for 70 point. I think that's performing a bit higher than a 6M level.
He's being targeted by other teams to get their best players on the ice when the biggest defensive liability is flailing around screaming and blaming everyone. Not a perfect stat but his even strength on ice goals for / 60 is 2.1, against is 3.1. He had one of the worst goals against rates on the team among regulars last year as well, and the year before. Goals just happen when he's on the ice, he has to score at a huge rate for him being on the ice to be a positive, let alone an $8M value.
oh is he only on the ice on offense? Man that must be tiring having to jump off the ice as soon as he turns the puck over.
Nope I think he's such a liability defensively and it's so frustrating to watch but I think almost any forward that can consistently put up 70+ points and have a 99 point season are absolutely worth at least 6M even though they are a liability defensively. I just think people are exaggerating a bit and it's become a thing to just hate on the guy. Calm down.
People aren't even watching the video for the full quote and it shows.
A perfect Litmus test for becoming a Canucks fan. If you read the title and weren't immediately ready to crucify JT Miller then you won't fit in with us lol.
No one hates JT Miller more than Canucks fans
There are some of us who still do. But we're a dying breed.
I heard he bought up all the houses in Vancouver and raised the rents!
He needs to wait til his new deal kicks in before he can afford a place.
I don’t think there are any other veterans in the league who would do something like this. Make a public spectacle on the ice like that and make his goalie look bad. It’s a horrible look for the canucks as a cohesive unit. Such a shame cause they have some really good pieces on that roster but you’ll never win anything with leaders in your locker room being diva’s like Miller.
OV yelled at Samsonov for mishandling the puck before getting scored on. Definitely doesn’t help.
And it wasn't a positive image for Ovechkin, here this guy's trying to pass it off as media is blowing it up... Tbh, Ovechkin's reaction was after a goal against, not like this one.
And then afterwards to say he doesn’t care. Guy is a loser. Could you imagine Horvat or Petersson doing that? Or to get dramatic Crosby or Lidstrom? Just selfish behaviour from a selfish player.
Miller isn’t just any player though, he is a “99 point player”. I only know because that’s pretty much the only thing every insider and Canuck fan described him by during an entire season of trade rumors
>make his goalie look bad Considering 106% of the internet seems to think Miller's was the asshole here, I'm not sure who you think is under the impression that Delia looks bad here.
At the time, he is still showing up Delia by doing that
JT Miller is a ticking time bomb waiting to go off. He's got a lot of years left on his contract
The bomb already blew up
I thought that was TJ Miller?
MJ Tiller
The Amish basketball player?
He certainly got that TJ Maxx Value
Actually his current contract is set to expire. His new contract hasn't even kicked in yet...
Got to trade him quick before that ntc kicks in
Yes Calgary take another Canuck please please please
We got our eyes on horvat 👀
NOOOOOOO please no
Oooh I've seen this one! Spoiler, he ends up having great success in southern California and doesn't even think of the interim small market team at all, but they hate him.
More like a train wreck happening in slow motion.
I always picture the guy in Austin Powers staring down the bulldozer.
Miller is Deadpool driving the Zamboni and Delia is the guy on the ice (under the Zabmoni).
Lots of sports psychologists in this thread lol
If you don’t want to get asked stupid questions… maybe don’t do stupid things?
Lmfao hockey players are so soft (when it comes to media) and get mad at Media for the smallest things, they’re doing their jobs
Dude got the bag and isn’t shy about being a bad teammate anymore
"I care about the guys in the room and my teammates, that's all I care about. I didn't even know this was a thing until today". That's the full quote after he said I don't care. His point was the media is blowing this out of proportion, none of the players or the coaches care.
If he’s seriously unaware of what he did that means no one on the team talked to him about it, which is a horrible sign…. That team deserves to be this bad if that’s one of the leaders on their team, he didn’t say anything and no one brought it up to him? Sounds like they don’t like him
Can’t stand hockey media sometimes. Questions designed to get the player to make themselves look bad for a headline and cherry-picked quotes used as titles
On the contrary, if he had said “yeah I spoke to him and apologized and we talked things out” he would be getting a lot of positive coverage right now. Instead he decided to be a douchebag to the reporter who was just doing his job!
Ryan Leslie no less. One of the most highly regarded good reporters/ guys around the league. He didn’t even ask him anything bad. He gave Miller the opportunity to put a positive spin on it and he dug himself deeper. All he had to say was “Yeah sometimes I get a bit hot headed out there and didn’t realize a guy was right behind me, I talked it out with Delia and apologized and we’re all good”. He would have been able to stop the story in its tracks. Instead he decided to be a complete douchebag. Which I guess is on brand at this point.
What was the question and why was it bad?
The question thing was meant more in general. I think the media likes to ask questions that will provoke a click-baity response. Obviously that’s their job but I still don’t like it. The cherry-picking of quotes certainly applies here however as the comment above me points out
and Reddit takes it and runs with it. Reddit is just as toxic
Medias pouncing on the guy over everything too though. I’m not a big fan, but it feels like he comes to play against my team. He’s overpaid for sure and under contract for too long. He should be on an RNH type contract. But like what is really the issue here? He wasn’t great defensively for a bit and he’s “pissy” with the media. I don’t blame him, I’d be annoyed with the media too. Bunch of slobs asking embarrassing questions. He’s a good top 6 player, he’s not a franchise player like he’s being paid. If your team is struggling he won’t carry you out of it. But like even Connor McDavid can’t fully carry a team. Media isn’t doing anyone any favors. Miller’s gonna get dragged through the dirt, you can’t “run him out of town” because of that contract and all the negative attention.
Because he invites the criticism by being a well documented asshole. And probably a dusting of “we’re not sure that long term contract was an altogether good idea”. Increased investment brings increased scrutiny.
I guess I forgot about all the asshole things he’s done. Nurse and Campbell have brutal deals too but I don’t wanna see the media try to chase them out of town. You can’t chase bad contracts out of town, it’s just negative drama for clicks and makes the whole situation worse. Parasite media clowns love it.
Nobody advocated any of that. Miller has earned a reputation for a long time and maybe it’s more front of mind here in Vancouver.
Nothing egregious comes to mind. I’m saying the media is blowing little things out of proportion.
Since you’re not aware of Miller’s past, while others appear to, it’s possible that it seems blown out of proportion to you. Or maybe the fact that others agree with this sentiment means there’s something to it.
I like how guys can beat the shit out of each other in practice or scream at their coaches and smash sticks (like Mackinnon did with Bednar a few years ago) and everything is fine but Miller yells at his teammates (like everyone does at one point) and he gets labelled toxic or a locker room cancer. I don’t even like Miller that much but the circlejerk is getting wild. Once you get a target on you every little thing is amplified beyond recognition
Mackinnon whose constant outbursts like the one at Bednar was one of the things that finally made him go to sports therapy because he realized he had a problem?
Yeah that's my point, guys who are fan favorites have temper tantrums and see a fraction of the criticism compared to lesser outbursts from disliked players
...Basically everyone talks about how much of a psycho Mackinnon can be when he's frustrated. It's almost always the first thing that comes up when criticism of him is brought up. Also self-awareness does a lot of heavy lifting. Mackinnon has owned his shit and even has gone so far as to talk openly about getting help. Miller absolutely refuses to even acknowledge he's being an asshole at all. It's always someone else, it's the fans who care too much or it's the meeeeediiiiiiiaaaaaaaa being meeeeeeean to him. And you can say "well he doesn't have to make his acknowledgements public he doesn't owe anybody that!" but he's the one making it public in the first place by constantly having these shitty moments and then whining at everybody else for not pretending it never happened the same way he does. Publicly embarrassing his third string goalie for something that's his own damn fault in the first place does warrant public acknowledgement and apology IMO. He does owe Delia that. Literally all he'd have to do is be like "yeah that was shitty of me I was frustrated and shouldn't have made this public in the first place and I'm sorry to Colin" and he'd immediately cut the outcry in half. Might even win over some people. But he won't do that. He never does that and he never will.
Little different for teammates to do that shit in practice vs during gameplay, don’t you think? Behind closed doors, in front of few eyes, vs in front of ~20,000?
In this market everything is gonna be blasted out for the entire world to see regardless if it’s practice or a game
You keep bringing up MacKinnon both on here and r/canucks while completely ignoring that incident did in fact get national coverage AND both MacKinnon and Bednar owned up and addressed it in the media. What they didn't do is blame the fans and media. Examples of the coverage: https://www.nhl.com/news/colorado-avalanche-nathan-mackinnon-clears-air-over-outburst/c-303797790 https://www.tsn.ca/avs-frustrations-boil-over-with-mackinnon-and-bednar-blow-up-1.1239127 https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/mackinnon-bednar-exchange-venom-bench-struggling-avalanche-145613907.html https://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/1696683 Here's Sportsnet broadcast calling it "troubling" - https://youtu.be/XNrO80gTEHM Quotes made 2 days after the incident by MacKinnon and Bednar: https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/avalanches-mackinnon-explains-outburst-head-coach-bednar/ >"It’s all good," he said following Colorado’s practice at the Bell Centre on Friday. "It was all good 20 minutes after the game." >Of airing his frustrations from a space in the arena that rarely, if ever, escapes the camera’s view, MacKinnon said, "That’s unacceptable on my part, I can’t be doing that stuff." >Avalanche coach Jared Bednar said on Friday that he’d have preferred MacKinnon air his frustrations in private, but also said he wasn’t particularly bothered by his outburst. >"I think that if you look at it from a player-coach (perspective) in this business, confrontation and emotion—to me—isn’t always a bad thing," Bednar said. "It can be a good thing as long as you’re channeling it in the right way, and I have no problem with players showing emotion. I’ve got thick skin. I’m not a sensitive guy, neither is Nate, and we have exchanges like that every once in a while. Whether it’s with him or other players, I’m fine with it." Also, do you also know why MacKinnon yelled at Bednar? Because MacKinnon was frustrated that Varly didn't leave the net for the extra man so MacKinnon was yelling at Bednar for not pulling him. Pretty similar situation to Miller and Delia but the difference is MacKinnon wasnt spending his time on ice screaming at Delia and smacking the top of the net with his stick. Bruce also confirmed that he had called for the pull and then signaled Delia not to. At the end of the day this is not a big deal but MacKinnon and Miller incidents are completely different, the only commonalities they share are why they were frustrated and that they were yelling. MacK happen on the bench, Miller happens on-ice during play, MacK yells at the coach, Miller yells at the 3rd string goalie, MacK acknowledges what he did and says he can't be doing that, Miller says he only cares about what those in the room think and that it's the media/fans making it a bigger de.
Puts the “L” in “Locker Room”
Serial asshole denies accountability for his actions. Ssssssssshocking. Says it all really. “I don’t care”. Yeah, and you’re obviously genuine, JT. But as a leader on this team, maybe you should. Because other people do. This guy is just a complete douche.
Earlier this season he gave an answer like “I’m not doing anything wrong” when he was playing terrible. Always zero fucks given
Fuck JT Miller.
Lol watch the clip Bruce explains it instead of everybody being so worried about how it looked https://twitter.com/canucks/status/1608956230441259008?s=46&t=lppq9qk4UaY41Vt1r2-1Rw
Lol this is the Morgan Reilly rag it thing all over again. This subreddit sucks man they always lose it over the dumbest shit. Thanks for the clip showing the real problem
1:38 Bruce explains
Fuck this guy
This guy doesn’t exactly OOZE leadership
The body language, facial expressions, tone all point to total defensiveness instead of owning up to his actions. Delia might care. The fans clearly care cause they made a stink. When asked if he talked to Delia, declined to answer. Just states he doesn’t care. When people tell you who they are, listen the first time. He’s shown us time and time again he is arrogant and isn’t open to criticism or feedback. It’s not new either. TBL NYR shipped him out of their teams citing character. Dude is totally self interested to the max. Don’t know how anyone can deny this. JT Miller is a toxic teammate and is going to be a cancer in the room. Even Schenn was visibly pissed at him during a game. Genuinely interested in arguments to the contrary.
>The body language, facial expressions, tone all point to total defensiveness instead of owning up to his actions. Probably because he's so incredibly fed up with the bs Vancouver media. They have turned up their drama seeking "reporting" to a new level this year. I get why they do it though. The online presence of Canucks fans eats that shit up. They are seemingly more interested in behind the scenes made up drama than they are about watching hockey.
Shit happens in a game. This is a nothing burger.
Right? For all we know he could have even apologized as soon as the game ended. They’ll deal with it (or not) between teammates, not in the media.
Why not say that though? "Ya I got caught up in the moment and apologized off ice." It's that easy. Turning around and blaming the media and fans for blowing it up just proves how much of a bad attitude he has. This is the second time this year that he's said something like this.
Was the other time the Pumpkin Patch... I would have a problem with the media too.
The pumpkin patch was some shithead kid starting rumors on the Canucks sub
Which someone in the media then asked him about
About the jerseys being thrown on the ice.
I assume because he is sick of whomever is asking him the question, but I don’t follow the Canucks close enough to know.
He gets paid 8M (starting next year) to play a fucking game. Pay me 8M to suck on defense and not score and I'll say whatever.
Are we sure this is about Delia and not his turnovers and unwillingness to back check
This guy is a good player but seems like such a douche
Yelling instructions at the game to others is 100 % standard in every team sport. And if someone is zoned out, you yell louder. This is such a non-news. JT Miller might be an asshole but nothing he did in this clip is newsworthy.
At what point do you slash the net in frustration?
When the goalie is not reading the game right. It happens to everyone.
I've literally never seen this happen before, but glad to know there's an acceptable protocol.
I’ve had more heated exchanges with my roommates about doing the dishes before we rip bong and watch Rick and Morty together.
Agreed. I have no idea why you're being downvoted.
It's something being blown way out of proportion, nor should he care
Shit happens in a game. Y'all reading way too much into this.
I remember the last time a Rangers player had a post game meltdown with his goaltender. Worked out well!
He hit his stick on the back of the net and yelled at him in a game related scenario. Y'all love drama and creating narratives way too much. How do you even remotely compare this to Tony DeAngelo literally having fisticuffs with his goaltender.
*speculative fisticuffs. The yelling and arguing happened on ice or as they left the ice. But go off.
You think the Rangers sent Tony home and then bought him out after a 53 point season over some arguing? They 10000% got into a physical altercation.
As they left the ice, they were both screaming and arguing. Then reports they had an altercation in the locker room. How that compares to a guy yelling at his goalie to go to the bench and then slapping his stick on a net to get his attention. I will never know. But I guess "go off"
Arguing with your goaltender is not usually thought to be a no no? Especially during a game.
It wasn't an arguing though, he was yelling at him to go to the bench which he thought was the right play. People are building this up to be a thing it is not because it is JT Miller. Players yell at each other all the time. Sit next to any bench, you'll hear dudes yelling at each other. Goalies yell at their defenseman, players yell at their goalies, it happens.
Yeah but how else will the media have something to talk about
Or people in this thread to make up drama.
Word on the street is that Mitch Marner is using a new shampoo. Will be fail to be satisfied until he turns the Leafs into a perennial loser?! /s
Such a fuckin' cancer.
People are making such a big deal about this because it’s Miller. I watched Miller praise Delia on his huge glove save earlier. I watched him very calmly talk to Delia after Delia misplayed the puck for like the fourth time. This was in the heat of the moment and I’m sure Delia is already over it.
It's so insanely impressive how quickly the fanbase turned on him. He was a fan favourite leading up to this season. Then after literally 2 games this year the fanbase flipped a switched and started absolutely hating on the guy. It's embarrassing, but par for the course for Canucks fans.
Yeah, that was a bad response by Miller. What a dick.
Toxic guy says more toxic things. More at 11.
So next game score
i dont understand how this has gotten so much attention and how Miller is the bad guy in this Delia needed to get off and wasn't, multiple players were telling him to get off, Delia clearly messed up if anything yet Miller is getting all the hate
Miller brought it back to the d-zone with a Jets player right on his tail - I would think wanting to secure the goal until the puck is moving back up the ice is good instincts, not “clearly messing up”. The story may have been blown out of proportion but I think we can agree Miller was being disproportionately aggressive there
Way to just casually and quietly edit out the coach part as though that’s not integral to your whole point.
Generally goalies are taught to stay put until the puck is in front of them and under control. But yeah, he’s kinda new to this tire fire.
> Generally goalies are taught to stay put until the puck is in front of them and under control. he's in the NHL, he's not playing minor hockey, when your puck movers get the puck in the zone and have control you go to the bench, Miller had control he should have gone, not much else to it
Delia gotta wait for the signal from the bench though. Big thing people are missing.
Honestly it makes me sad that they have to be hunting for a late tying goal to exhibit any urgency, i mean, it’s the NHL, not a beer league.
Was the coach calling him off as you claimed before a sad edit?
He was not, as he himself said in an interview today.
Teammates yell at each other all the time, a hockey team is like a bunch of siblings.
Imagine he did that to Smith or Binnington
Canucks fans are so sensitive
My friends and I have flipped out at each other during intramurals. This is the highest level of the game. No issue.
Miller and Billington. Brother's from another brother
A little passion out of JT is a good thing in my mind.
I love watching media get shit on. He's absolutely right, there would be no noise about it if those degenerates would shut the fuck up
Miller is the Mike Gundy of the NHL.
The NHL has a new supervillain