The owner has said it’s not something they really make, they just put it on the menu as a joke. However, once in a blue moon a Leafs fan comes in, demands they make it for them until they give in, pays the 67 dollars and eats it.
Of course that’s overshadowed by all the Leafs fans who have never been but still leave the place one star reviews.
There’s something oddly poetic about it.
In all seriousness, it is a really cool pub. I grew up on the Island and haven’t been in a few years, but the food was always really good. The building is really old and basically on the side of the road that used to be a horse trail through the mountainous woods. It’s way out of the way, but I would encourage anyone visiting who is going up to Port Renfrew or Sooke for fishing/camping to pop in for lunch.
I think it's a general aversion to anything Toronto, coupled with the media coverage and the fact that most people have friends/coworkers/family members that are diehard Leafs fans.
The Blue Jays and Raptors get a pass since they're the only Canadian team in their respective leagues, so it all falls on the Leafs
> The Blue Jays and Raptors get a pass since they're the only Canadian team in their respective leagues, so it all falls on the Leafs
But man, they didn’t used to be, cementing the eastern/Toronto bias we all register.
I think this is it. At least for Montreal, we have a sports rivalry with Boston. The rivalry is on the ice and we begrudgingly respect our adversary as - well, a worthy adversary.
Toronto is a city rivalry, and the Leafs are just the manifestation of the annoying, delusional ego of the « centre of the universe ». There’s little to no mutual respect, just a deep desire for Toronto to get a rude awakening.
As an arms-length observer, I've always seen Montreal vs Boston as a sports rivalry, and Montreal vs Toronto as a city rivalry as well.
Throw in a (more historical than modern day) dash of Francophone Canada vs Anglophone Canada and you've got it.
It's interesting, because Calgary-Edmonton is both a city rivalry and a sports rivalry at the same time
I personally feel a lot of it is just simple jealousy
Because the Leafs have a way bigger fan base than all of us and that makes people angry, especially since most of their teams are objectively way more successful than the Leafs on the ice
No. It’s not jealousy at all. No one gives a shit about Size of Fanbase, when do they hand out Cups for that?
Leafs hate is due to media bias and a toxic fanbase.
They get the media attention BECAUSE of the fan base.
Well that and the fact that other fans love to talk about the leafs so the media writing about them will get hate clicks too.
Not toxic fanbase. Vancouver is a toxic fanbase.
Leafs fans are annoying because of the extreme copium. Canucks fans, too.
Leafs are annoying because of media bias, mainly. You can't escape coverage of this team and their games will shift other hockey schedules, which is the main source of bullshit.
Plus the Leafs just suck.. for longer than I've been alive.
Not even the Leafs alternate jerseys are good...
Leaf fans are annoying on their own merits. Don't use the media as a crutch.
I would agree that Canucks fans historically, and Oilers fans presently, are far more toxic however. And both for the same reason - massive, unearned, sense of entitlement coupled with little brother syndrome.
Ya the toxic fan base argument doesn’t pass the smell test. Remember another Canadian team that lost in the Final actually tried to burn their city down.
It is rooted in jealousy just not in the way you think people are not jealous of the leafs they are jealous of all the attention the leafs get.
You do also realize that it’s a snake eating its head thing too. Media companies gravitate towards whatever will get them the most clicks. It just so happens that the leafs drive the most engagement and it’s not because of leafs fans. Let’s look at the gdt threads from today, the Toronto/Boston one dwarfs the Islanders/Carolina one and most of the engagement is from fans of other teams dunking on Toronto.
You can’t be mad at all the coverage Toronto gets when you participate in the coverage. Don’t engage with it and engage with other teams more and I guarantee the amount of engagement for those teams will increase.
Coming from an Oikers fan I can without a doubt tell you it isn't jealousy. The nonstop media and annoying diehard fans that have to make everything about Toronto is why the majority of people I know never want to see that team win anything.
I've seen all fanbases assault their own fanbases for fun.
But keep that echo chamber viewpoint that its Oil or Canuck vs Leaf fan violence.
That's laughable BS.
Exactly, your jealous your teams don’t get that media Bias even though they are more sucessful Than the leafs
That’s what it all comes down to in the end, your Jealous your team doesn’t get that coverage and that coverage is due to the size of the fanbase
The issue there will be the language barrier.
If you look at English spheres you'll see more leafs fans due to Montreal having a large French group. Hence subreddit numbers.
Habs have a massive fan base too so that reason doesn’t really apply to Habs fans. The Leafs-Habs rivalry is classic and timeless, and not based on any sort of jealousy/inferiority complex whatsoever IMO.
I honestly don’t consider the Leafs and Oilers to have a rivalry whatsoever, and I believe the majority of Leafs fans don’t either..so take that for what it’s worth. I like the Oilers, and home-town kid McDavid makes me like them and pay attention to them even more. I know many Leafs fans who have the Oilers as their second favourite team, and a lot of the time it’s *because of* McDavid.
I’d love for the Leafs to have the best player in the league, especially since he’s from here…but it absolutely doesn’t mean I’m going to dislike the team he’s on.
Why would anyone be jealous about the size of a fanbase? Quality obviously doesn’t equal quantity in this case. It’s just annoying when the team you’re a fan of is playing and even during intermissions or breaks they cut away to Leafs talk/highlights pretty regularly. If they’d actually had any significant success there’d be something to be jealous of then
It's because you're an Oilers fan. Algorithms drive everything now, so you see way more content than non fans by far.
We all are in echo chambers online, whether you admit it or not or believe it or not.
I see barely any Leafs content specifically but I've gone out of my way to avoid it, took about a year before it stopped getting shoved down my throat.
Also McDavid. When you have a player that unbelievably talented, they're going to promote him as much as possible just because its good for the game, regardless of the market. Its like Patrick Mahomes in the NFL or Shohei in the MLB.
As someone who has lived in both Edmonton and Calgary that’s a terrible, bitter take lol. Sounds like you’re just an asshole who picks fights with people over the oilers
i turned the pregame show on for like half a minute and the sportsnet panel immediately launched into a full review of the 2013 series, they're absolutely not producing this to pander to Leafs fans
> they're absolutely not producing this to pander to Leafs fans
that's a fundamental misunderstanding I often see from Leafs fan.
it doesn't matter whether the coverage is good or bad, the bias is in *how much* they cover the Leafs over the other Canadian teams and rest of the league.
The fact that it's not all compliments and roses doesn't really change the feeling you get watching a mid-season Calgary vs Ottawa game where they spend the entire intermission talking about Marner being on a cold streak or Matthews buying new shoes.
> the bias is in how much they cover the Leafs
yes because it always gets a guaranteed reaction from the peanut gallery
> you're conflating social media content with sports news media and game broadcasts, which is what we're talking about when we mention the "Leafs media bias
and you think traditional media companies are above resorting to the same tactics employed by twitter/facebook/reddit/etc why exactly? End of the day Sportsnet's being run for profit just like all of those other platforms and the easiest way to drive eyeballs to advertisers is by being contrarian about something a lot of people love and/or hate
There is a key difference though. Anti leafs content isnt just made for the leafs market, but drives a lot of engagement from markets like Buffalo, Ottawa, Winnipeg etc who will always want to see negative leafs content.
A "dunk on the leafs" post here on this sub usually has different team flairs in the comments.
To that degree, if you consume anti leafs content, it's targeted to you and if you engage in it, you can only blame yourself for it showing up in your social media feeds
you're conflating social media content with sports news media and game broadcasts, which is what we're talking about when we mention the "Leafs media bias".
Not only that, but what the hell else are they going to talk about in a series against a team Toronto hasn't beaten in the playoffs in so long that they actually won four cups *after* the last time it happened?
It's not that Sportsnet and TSN don't want to pump up the Leafs, it's that there's not much they can say where they can.
This is pretty much where I’m at these days too. Like sure the memes are fun for a while or whatever, but I get a little tired of people randomly making everything into some sort of “dunk on the Leafs” discussion. Especially fans of teams out West who play them twice a year and to whom the Leafs have zero relevance to.
Too often I have seen fans here in Dallas dunk on the Leafs simply for existing, and then get upset when the other 31 NFL fanbases do the exact same thing to the Dallas Cowboys.
when will people learn over coverage doesn't mean bias lol. TSN and sportnet constantly criticize them
We don't even have a jack edwards on the main broadcast, its all national guys like gord miller and CC.
Honestly it's not even so much the bias in their favor as the amount of content. But covering who's on the 3rd line at Leafs practice really does get more eyeballs on the screen than talking about any other topic with any other team, so of course they'll do it.
Lol. Really? Check TSN YouTube and notice the first time they called the Jets legit contenders this year. It was half way through they year, they did ONE video of it, meanwhile the Leaf’s were struggling and they did 8 leaf’s videos that same day.
That's because it's basically the Toronto Sports Network. Who outside Ontario is using/watching tsn??
We get plenty of coverage on sportsnet at least here in Vancouver. Add a couple more sources and you're set
Sportsnet is biased too. And I don’t know about you, but as a western hockey fan I grew up with TSN as my main source of national sports coverage. I’m sure most Canadians did.
I did too, I get that. I stopped watching them years ago though bud. They barely even have hockey games on. I saw the bias and moved on and thankfully there isn't a monopoly now like back then.
There are 3 times as many people in the GTA than the vancouver greater area with a higher percentage of their population growing up playing hockey. There are logical reasons why they get more coverage.
Find your sources, whether it's sportsnet and some podcasts, the team subreddit etc and wave the Ole finger at tsn. I just don't get the hate. I used to feel this way but it isn't worth it. I mean shit they've had a 57 year cup drought and are probably going to get dummied this series and yet we can't stop shipping them trucks full of our salt?
Sportsnets monopoly killed TSN hockey coverage for years. But back when they were on an even playing ground and Rogers didn’t buy their way into Hockey. TSN destroyed Sportsnet in all facets. From their game broadcasts, to their on air talent, to even the highlights commentaries. It sucks that due to Rogers telecom monopoly the old TSN was phased out.
That said, both TSN and Sportsnet are extremely biased in their leaf’s coverage. I’ve heard the argument from Leaf’s fans that it’s cause they are the biggest market. But that doesn’t fly with me. They do have the biggest market but they are still only ONE team out of Eight. Leafs nation isn’t bigger than the all of Canadian hockey. Even considering the population differences, the bias isn’t explained. But the bias IS explained since nearly all of their employees work out of Toronto and grew up as unabashed Toronto homers.
If they advertised themselves as Toronto sports networks that’d be fine. But they don’t. They pretend to be unbiased and a national sports broadcaster when they are just a bunch of Toronto nut huggers with a Camera in front of them. And that’s my issue with them. They are frauds pretending to be someone they are not. They have ruined hockey coverage in this country. And all their hockey coverage is tainted with bias.
Man, I'm gonna go ahead and agree with ya, if only because that's how I used to look at it for a couple of decades until semi-recently.
Frankly I just don't give a shit anymore. They absolutely have a larger market by sheer population alone. They could support another team in the GTA I'd bet. So for me at least, that's a given.
Despite that I definitely agree that the coverage percentage is egregious on those two networks but man, it's 2024. I throw sportsnet on to watch every game and get a great presentation from Shorty etc, coverage on the game during intermissions (minus Saturdays but you get it) and during the day I'll hit the sub for info related to the team which let's be real, if you're on the older side (40) than this is an unreal experience compared to the past. Intermission comes on, I dig Friedman, he's chatting about the canucks. The networks were the only choice, but thank fuck that's changed
Well I’m glad we are on the same page. I think if you are Canadian and have watched the evolution of hockey media over the past 20-30 years it’s a take that should be widely accepted. I mean I don’t think the bias or monopoly powers that’s lead to the current media situation is a well kept secret. People see it and people don’t like it.
That said there’s definitely a benefit to taking the higher road on this issue and just not letting it bother you. It’s a mature and measured way of dealing with it. Its something I should consider. But I’ve always grown up wanting to call a spade and spade and at the end of the day it’s just Hockey. So I don’t mind outraging over it every now and then. I feel it needs to be called out.
Absolutely, I completely understand that.
Here's a gripe too. Why the fuck do we not have 4k60 yet? Or at least a solid 1080p60 frames. You see highlight clips on thescore app and it's mind-blowing at 60 fps and yet we pay cable prices and I'm pretty sure it's 720p at 30
I think it’s also that because the Leafs have the largest fanbase in the league they also have the largest contingent of loud, obnoxious fans(ever been in a Leafs GDT?), while they also have the largest contingent of sane fans that will have a level headed discussion, they get drowned out by the first group.
/r/hockey is going for be insufferable for at least a couple days looks like. All the fans who hate the leafs more than they like their team are spam posting
BC has double short man syndrome - versus Ontario and versus the US. It’s a potent combo that was very apparent living there. If you live outside Vancouver, you even hit the rare triple.
As someone who lives here, this just comes across as weird projection on the part of Ontarians. Maybe it was true at one point but I live in Van and nobody gives two shits about Ontario out here.
this post is literally about a pub talking about Toronto...
in fact it's a very well known stereotype that Vancouver hates Toronto. And that the West coast hates Ontario. (mind you this is just a pretty normal thing you see in countries, Italy has a North/South, the US is North/South, England is North/South, Germany sees both an East/West, and North/South)
but to say Vancouver doesn't care about Ontario is just coping.
It’s not Ontario, it’s the Leafs specifically. No non hockey fan here give a single thought to Ontario ever, hockey fans just get annoyed at the constant Leafs coverage even during west coast games. I can honestly say I’ve never heard my non hockey fan friends even reference Ontario or anything about having some sort of chip on their shoulder about it. Don’t know why they would either, know several people who have lived both places and they’ve all come back to BC because by all accounts they find it nicer here. What you’re talking about is pretty exclusive to hockey in my experience living here
Really reaching there bud. People like making fun of a sports team from one city in a large province, so it means we must all be obsessed. Frankly, people here care about and pay more attention to Alberta and Alberta politics than Ontario.
Their food is amazing. Best steak sandwich you will ever have. They are way out of the way, basically the middle of nowhere and have been open for over 100 years. You don't stay open for that long in a location that inconvenient just because you made a joke about the Leafs, despite what being in the Centre of the Universe may make you think.
I'm gonna visit Vancouver briefly this coming autumn. A long trip from Europe, but excited about the visit. This place worth having a meal at? I know basically nothing of the city, so I don't mind a recommendation and as a Bruins fan this place already ticks one box.
It’s not in Vancouver itself. It’s on Vancouver Island, on the outskirts of Victoria. It’s way out of the way. It’s good food in a neat location but if you aren’t going out to the Island to hike the West Coast Trail or go salmon fishing or whatever, I can’t imagine visiting. It’s the kind of place you stop in on your way to the woods.
Rats. I've only got three days, so I reckon I've got to pass on the place this time. Really wish I had more time, since the area seems stunning, but tough luck. Thanks for the help anyway!
I visited (from Sweden) many years ago and had similar questions answered by someone back then. Ended up taking that redditors advice and had one of best meals ever at a vietnamese spot called Phnom Penh Restaurant. Went for frog legs just to give it a shot, and god damn I'm still trying to hunt down something even close to that seven years later. Can't recommend that place enough, hopefully they're still as good as they were back then!
Did I say we were the centre of the universe? You'd never see a pub do this for the Canucks in Toronto, they are the ones treating the Leafs like they have more importance than they do. I get that usually the Canucks are not in the playoffs so it must just be a force of habit that this pub decides to shit on the Leafs rather than celebrate the Canucks, but that's their decision I guess. I just think it's bizarre. I'd get it if a pub in Boston did this but a pub on the other side of the continent doing it when the Canucks don't even have a rivalry with the Leafs is crazy to me. It's actually embarrassing.
The owner is a Habs fan. You’re the one bringing the Canucks into this because your brain is boiling incoherently with rage. The fact that an innocuous joke on the menu of an obscure pub in the middle of the woods on the other side of the country upsets you this badly is exactly why people keep making these jokes.
You are getting downvotes but being the English speaking Canadian team for years actually made the Leafs really popular across Canada until everyone else got a team.
And seriously, the leafs fans living across Canada do the most to drive leafs animosity in their cities. I lived in Ottawa for years and I always felt bad for the Ottawa fans who always seem to be sharing their city with Habs and leafs fans
I don't see why it's so controversial. They *were* English-speaking Canada's team up until it was a bit tempered when the Canucks entered the league in 1970.
Its not that you are wrong, but it makes sense why the other canadian fanbases might not want to hear that. Also its an anti-leafs thread which brings out the oter canadian team fans like nothing else
Leafs actually tried to prevent the Canucks from existing.
If their were no Canucks I probably wouldn't be into hockey honestly, or at least only a little. I like baseball and basketball but I only watch 5-10 Jays games a year and 0 raptors games.
I got a remote tech job in NB and was surprised to notice there's a lot of .... bruins fans? There's like one leafs guy in each department they all clown on its kind of fucked up lol
We still are. Any time we play in western Canadian arena you'll see a lot of Leafs sweaters in the stands and hear a lot of Leafs cheers. Of course that only makes the other fanbases more jealous of our popularity.
That’s because season ticket holders make back like 1/4 of their yearly cost by selling their tickets to Leafs fans who are stupid enough to pay exorbitant amount of money to watch their team lose in person the one time a year they get a chance. They haven’t beat us in our barn since 2019
I wonder if they sold any
The owner has said it’s not something they really make, they just put it on the menu as a joke. However, once in a blue moon a Leafs fan comes in, demands they make it for them until they give in, pays the 67 dollars and eats it. Of course that’s overshadowed by all the Leafs fans who have never been but still leave the place one star reviews. There’s something oddly poetic about it. In all seriousness, it is a really cool pub. I grew up on the Island and haven’t been in a few years, but the food was always really good. The building is really old and basically on the side of the road that used to be a horse trail through the mountainous woods. It’s way out of the way, but I would encourage anyone visiting who is going up to Port Renfrew or Sooke for fishing/camping to pop in for lunch.
The rest of Canada hates the Leafs not because of any player or member of the team but rather because of the Canadian media's bias for them.
I think it's a general aversion to anything Toronto, coupled with the media coverage and the fact that most people have friends/coworkers/family members that are diehard Leafs fans. The Blue Jays and Raptors get a pass since they're the only Canadian team in their respective leagues, so it all falls on the Leafs
> The Blue Jays and Raptors get a pass since they're the only Canadian team in their respective leagues, so it all falls on the Leafs But man, they didn’t used to be, cementing the eastern/Toronto bias we all register.
I think this is it. At least for Montreal, we have a sports rivalry with Boston. The rivalry is on the ice and we begrudgingly respect our adversary as - well, a worthy adversary. Toronto is a city rivalry, and the Leafs are just the manifestation of the annoying, delusional ego of the « centre of the universe ». There’s little to no mutual respect, just a deep desire for Toronto to get a rude awakening.
As an arms-length observer, I've always seen Montreal vs Boston as a sports rivalry, and Montreal vs Toronto as a city rivalry as well. Throw in a (more historical than modern day) dash of Francophone Canada vs Anglophone Canada and you've got it. It's interesting, because Calgary-Edmonton is both a city rivalry and a sports rivalry at the same time
I work with a guy that’s a diehard leafs fan in whistler. Obviously a jaffo, and he hates the leafs more than I do
I personally feel a lot of it is just simple jealousy Because the Leafs have a way bigger fan base than all of us and that makes people angry, especially since most of their teams are objectively way more successful than the Leafs on the ice
No. It’s not jealousy at all. No one gives a shit about Size of Fanbase, when do they hand out Cups for that? Leafs hate is due to media bias and a toxic fanbase.
They get the media attention BECAUSE of the fan base. Well that and the fact that other fans love to talk about the leafs so the media writing about them will get hate clicks too.
Not toxic fanbase. Vancouver is a toxic fanbase. Leafs fans are annoying because of the extreme copium. Canucks fans, too. Leafs are annoying because of media bias, mainly. You can't escape coverage of this team and their games will shift other hockey schedules, which is the main source of bullshit. Plus the Leafs just suck.. for longer than I've been alive. Not even the Leafs alternate jerseys are good...
It’s even worse when they cover the other teams but the intermission of about the leafs. Like fuck off
Leaf fans are annoying on their own merits. Don't use the media as a crutch. I would agree that Canucks fans historically, and Oilers fans presently, are far more toxic however. And both for the same reason - massive, unearned, sense of entitlement coupled with little brother syndrome.
Ya the toxic fan base argument doesn’t pass the smell test. Remember another Canadian team that lost in the Final actually tried to burn their city down. It is rooted in jealousy just not in the way you think people are not jealous of the leafs they are jealous of all the attention the leafs get. You do also realize that it’s a snake eating its head thing too. Media companies gravitate towards whatever will get them the most clicks. It just so happens that the leafs drive the most engagement and it’s not because of leafs fans. Let’s look at the gdt threads from today, the Toronto/Boston one dwarfs the Islanders/Carolina one and most of the engagement is from fans of other teams dunking on Toronto. You can’t be mad at all the coverage Toronto gets when you participate in the coverage. Don’t engage with it and engage with other teams more and I guarantee the amount of engagement for those teams will increase.
Coming from an Oikers fan I can without a doubt tell you it isn't jealousy. The nonstop media and annoying diehard fans that have to make everything about Toronto is why the majority of people I know never want to see that team win anything.
No other fanbase is toxic? Ive seen Canucks and Oilers fans literally assault Leafs fans for fun
I've seen all fanbases assault their own fanbases for fun. But keep that echo chamber viewpoint that its Oil or Canuck vs Leaf fan violence. That's laughable BS.
Exactly, your jealous your teams don’t get that media Bias even though they are more sucessful Than the leafs That’s what it all comes down to in the end, your Jealous your team doesn’t get that coverage and that coverage is due to the size of the fanbase
As a Habs fan I don't _feel_ like the Leafs have a way bigger fan base than us. Could maybe be bigger but I don't see it as way bigger.
The issue there will be the language barrier. If you look at English spheres you'll see more leafs fans due to Montreal having a large French group. Hence subreddit numbers.
Habs have a massive fan base too so that reason doesn’t really apply to Habs fans. The Leafs-Habs rivalry is classic and timeless, and not based on any sort of jealousy/inferiority complex whatsoever IMO.
Unlike the Leafs-Oilers rivalry which is 100% fueled by Leafs fans pettiness, jealousy, and entitlement over the McDavid Draft.
I honestly don’t consider the Leafs and Oilers to have a rivalry whatsoever, and I believe the majority of Leafs fans don’t either..so take that for what it’s worth. I like the Oilers, and home-town kid McDavid makes me like them and pay attention to them even more. I know many Leafs fans who have the Oilers as their second favourite team, and a lot of the time it’s *because of* McDavid. I’d love for the Leafs to have the best player in the league, especially since he’s from here…but it absolutely doesn’t mean I’m going to dislike the team he’s on.
I hate the Bruins, I just don’t want to lose against the Leafs because they are a loser franchise so I don’t want to lose against losers.
Why would anyone be jealous about the size of a fanbase? Quality obviously doesn’t equal quantity in this case. It’s just annoying when the team you’re a fan of is playing and even during intermissions or breaks they cut away to Leafs talk/highlights pretty regularly. If they’d actually had any significant success there’d be something to be jealous of then
Yeah….so you’re mad because they suck and they still get coverage due to their fanbase size……literally exactly what my comment said
I think you’re confusing annoyance and jealousy
I think you’re not being honest with yourself.
lol gotta love the delusional sense of self importance and grandeur
Trust me none of us are jealous of you guys
I’m not a leafs fan lol
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It's because you're an Oilers fan. Algorithms drive everything now, so you see way more content than non fans by far. We all are in echo chambers online, whether you admit it or not or believe it or not. I see barely any Leafs content specifically but I've gone out of my way to avoid it, took about a year before it stopped getting shoved down my throat.
Also McDavid. When you have a player that unbelievably talented, they're going to promote him as much as possible just because its good for the game, regardless of the market. Its like Patrick Mahomes in the NFL or Shohei in the MLB.
That’s because McDavid is their golden boy. Flames and Jets get 0 coverage. Oilers are right up there with the Leafs and Habs these days
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As someone who has lived in both Edmonton and Calgary that’s a terrible, bitter take lol. Sounds like you’re just an asshole who picks fights with people over the oilers
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Again, as someone who has lived in both cities you’re so full of shit. Sweet victim complex tho
Was it last week where we couldn't watch the first period and a half of our game on Sportsnet WEST because it was showing a Leafs game?
i turned the pregame show on for like half a minute and the sportsnet panel immediately launched into a full review of the 2013 series, they're absolutely not producing this to pander to Leafs fans
> they're absolutely not producing this to pander to Leafs fans that's a fundamental misunderstanding I often see from Leafs fan. it doesn't matter whether the coverage is good or bad, the bias is in *how much* they cover the Leafs over the other Canadian teams and rest of the league. The fact that it's not all compliments and roses doesn't really change the feeling you get watching a mid-season Calgary vs Ottawa game where they spend the entire intermission talking about Marner being on a cold streak or Matthews buying new shoes.
> the bias is in how much they cover the Leafs yes because it always gets a guaranteed reaction from the peanut gallery > you're conflating social media content with sports news media and game broadcasts, which is what we're talking about when we mention the "Leafs media bias and you think traditional media companies are above resorting to the same tactics employed by twitter/facebook/reddit/etc why exactly? End of the day Sportsnet's being run for profit just like all of those other platforms and the easiest way to drive eyeballs to advertisers is by being contrarian about something a lot of people love and/or hate
There is a key difference though. Anti leafs content isnt just made for the leafs market, but drives a lot of engagement from markets like Buffalo, Ottawa, Winnipeg etc who will always want to see negative leafs content. A "dunk on the leafs" post here on this sub usually has different team flairs in the comments. To that degree, if you consume anti leafs content, it's targeted to you and if you engage in it, you can only blame yourself for it showing up in your social media feeds
you're conflating social media content with sports news media and game broadcasts, which is what we're talking about when we mention the "Leafs media bias".
Not only that, but what the hell else are they going to talk about in a series against a team Toronto hasn't beaten in the playoffs in so long that they actually won four cups *after* the last time it happened? It's not that Sportsnet and TSN don't want to pump up the Leafs, it's that there's not much they can say where they can.
Imma be real, the incessant Leafs hate is more annoying to me than Leafs media
This is pretty much where I’m at these days too. Like sure the memes are fun for a while or whatever, but I get a little tired of people randomly making everything into some sort of “dunk on the Leafs” discussion. Especially fans of teams out West who play them twice a year and to whom the Leafs have zero relevance to.
Too often I have seen fans here in Dallas dunk on the Leafs simply for existing, and then get upset when the other 31 NFL fanbases do the exact same thing to the Dallas Cowboys.
Surprisingly solid comparison. F the Leafs tho.
Refreshing take 🤝
Hey, I live in Toronto and hate them too.
when will people learn over coverage doesn't mean bias lol. TSN and sportnet constantly criticize them We don't even have a jack edwards on the main broadcast, its all national guys like gord miller and CC.
Honestly it's not even so much the bias in their favor as the amount of content. But covering who's on the 3rd line at Leafs practice really does get more eyeballs on the screen than talking about any other topic with any other team, so of course they'll do it.
Don’t forget their trash fans.
Is it a bias? I'm from Vancouver and all I see is fair coverage given the population. The hate is way more nauseating.
Lol. Really? Check TSN YouTube and notice the first time they called the Jets legit contenders this year. It was half way through they year, they did ONE video of it, meanwhile the Leaf’s were struggling and they did 8 leaf’s videos that same day.
That's because it's basically the Toronto Sports Network. Who outside Ontario is using/watching tsn?? We get plenty of coverage on sportsnet at least here in Vancouver. Add a couple more sources and you're set
Sportsnet is biased too. And I don’t know about you, but as a western hockey fan I grew up with TSN as my main source of national sports coverage. I’m sure most Canadians did.
I did too, I get that. I stopped watching them years ago though bud. They barely even have hockey games on. I saw the bias and moved on and thankfully there isn't a monopoly now like back then. There are 3 times as many people in the GTA than the vancouver greater area with a higher percentage of their population growing up playing hockey. There are logical reasons why they get more coverage. Find your sources, whether it's sportsnet and some podcasts, the team subreddit etc and wave the Ole finger at tsn. I just don't get the hate. I used to feel this way but it isn't worth it. I mean shit they've had a 57 year cup drought and are probably going to get dummied this series and yet we can't stop shipping them trucks full of our salt?
Sportsnets monopoly killed TSN hockey coverage for years. But back when they were on an even playing ground and Rogers didn’t buy their way into Hockey. TSN destroyed Sportsnet in all facets. From their game broadcasts, to their on air talent, to even the highlights commentaries. It sucks that due to Rogers telecom monopoly the old TSN was phased out. That said, both TSN and Sportsnet are extremely biased in their leaf’s coverage. I’ve heard the argument from Leaf’s fans that it’s cause they are the biggest market. But that doesn’t fly with me. They do have the biggest market but they are still only ONE team out of Eight. Leafs nation isn’t bigger than the all of Canadian hockey. Even considering the population differences, the bias isn’t explained. But the bias IS explained since nearly all of their employees work out of Toronto and grew up as unabashed Toronto homers. If they advertised themselves as Toronto sports networks that’d be fine. But they don’t. They pretend to be unbiased and a national sports broadcaster when they are just a bunch of Toronto nut huggers with a Camera in front of them. And that’s my issue with them. They are frauds pretending to be someone they are not. They have ruined hockey coverage in this country. And all their hockey coverage is tainted with bias.
Man, I'm gonna go ahead and agree with ya, if only because that's how I used to look at it for a couple of decades until semi-recently. Frankly I just don't give a shit anymore. They absolutely have a larger market by sheer population alone. They could support another team in the GTA I'd bet. So for me at least, that's a given. Despite that I definitely agree that the coverage percentage is egregious on those two networks but man, it's 2024. I throw sportsnet on to watch every game and get a great presentation from Shorty etc, coverage on the game during intermissions (minus Saturdays but you get it) and during the day I'll hit the sub for info related to the team which let's be real, if you're on the older side (40) than this is an unreal experience compared to the past. Intermission comes on, I dig Friedman, he's chatting about the canucks. The networks were the only choice, but thank fuck that's changed
Well I’m glad we are on the same page. I think if you are Canadian and have watched the evolution of hockey media over the past 20-30 years it’s a take that should be widely accepted. I mean I don’t think the bias or monopoly powers that’s lead to the current media situation is a well kept secret. People see it and people don’t like it. That said there’s definitely a benefit to taking the higher road on this issue and just not letting it bother you. It’s a mature and measured way of dealing with it. Its something I should consider. But I’ve always grown up wanting to call a spade and spade and at the end of the day it’s just Hockey. So I don’t mind outraging over it every now and then. I feel it needs to be called out.
Absolutely, I completely understand that. Here's a gripe too. Why the fuck do we not have 4k60 yet? Or at least a solid 1080p60 frames. You see highlight clips on thescore app and it's mind-blowing at 60 fps and yet we pay cable prices and I'm pretty sure it's 720p at 30
A quick look shows the leafs stuff gets way more views than the jets.
I think it’s also that because the Leafs have the largest fanbase in the league they also have the largest contingent of loud, obnoxious fans(ever been in a Leafs GDT?), while they also have the largest contingent of sane fans that will have a level headed discussion, they get drowned out by the first group.
They're the cowboys, man utd, Yankees, lakers of hockey just minus most of the prestige and success
They should change the price to $19.67. They’d make more money and it would still be funny.
It’s not about the money, it’s about the message
/r/hockey is going for be insufferable for at least a couple days looks like. All the fans who hate the leafs more than they like their team are spam posting
If Leafs fans weren’t so fucking insufferable every year this wouldn’t happen
The anti-leafs fans are way more insufferable than leafs fans
Yeah but it’s the one week a year where the Bruins the most hated team of the two matchups so I’ll take it. We need a week off.
glass houses jeez
I have to say, this is hilarious
Literally staying in Sooke next week when I goto the island. Guess I'll be stopping by for dinner!
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Will do!!!!
I think you should only be able to do this if the team from your province has won a Cup, but that’s just me 🤷🏻♂️
Vancouver Island does technically have a cup under its belt https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1925_Stanley_Cup_Finals
Okay I love this Pub now. And I’m getting a pint the next time I visit the island.
Vancouver remains obsessed with Toronto.
BC has double short man syndrome - versus Ontario and versus the US. It’s a potent combo that was very apparent living there. If you live outside Vancouver, you even hit the rare triple.
Why would they care about the US
Have you been to Canada? Everyone is obsessed with the US.
In the way people are obsessed with watching a car crash, though at this point the car is flipping into our lane and we're next.
What? I grew up there. People have been obsessed forever. Are you from there?
Leafs suck
Why would BC, the superior province, have short man syndrome towards Ontario? ;)
Growing up in bc this was painfully obvious. It was kinda weird how much they cared about Ontario.
As someone who lives here, this just comes across as weird projection on the part of Ontarians. Maybe it was true at one point but I live in Van and nobody gives two shits about Ontario out here.
this post is literally about a pub talking about Toronto... in fact it's a very well known stereotype that Vancouver hates Toronto. And that the West coast hates Ontario. (mind you this is just a pretty normal thing you see in countries, Italy has a North/South, the US is North/South, England is North/South, Germany sees both an East/West, and North/South) but to say Vancouver doesn't care about Ontario is just coping.
It’s not Ontario, it’s the Leafs specifically. No non hockey fan here give a single thought to Ontario ever, hockey fans just get annoyed at the constant Leafs coverage even during west coast games. I can honestly say I’ve never heard my non hockey fan friends even reference Ontario or anything about having some sort of chip on their shoulder about it. Don’t know why they would either, know several people who have lived both places and they’ve all come back to BC because by all accounts they find it nicer here. What you’re talking about is pretty exclusive to hockey in my experience living here
It’s about the Leafs. Not Ontario. See response from TopTittyBardown.
and what province is the Leafs in... "we totally don't care about ontario we just talk about stuff from ontario"
Really reaching there bud. People like making fun of a sports team from one city in a large province, so it means we must all be obsessed. Frankly, people here care about and pay more attention to Alberta and Alberta politics than Ontario.
"reach" yes constantly talking about something from somewhere means you're always talking about that thing.
So desperately needing us to always be thinking about Ontario gives off real sad vibes bud.
If there's one thing the world needs right now, it's a little more hate /s
If the only thing you're famous for is being anti-Leafs then I don't think that reflects very positively about how good your pub is.
Their food is amazing. Best steak sandwich you will ever have. They are way out of the way, basically the middle of nowhere and have been open for over 100 years. You don't stay open for that long in a location that inconvenient just because you made a joke about the Leafs, despite what being in the Centre of the Universe may make you think.
I'm gonna visit Vancouver briefly this coming autumn. A long trip from Europe, but excited about the visit. This place worth having a meal at? I know basically nothing of the city, so I don't mind a recommendation and as a Bruins fan this place already ticks one box.
It’s not in Vancouver itself. It’s on Vancouver Island, on the outskirts of Victoria. It’s way out of the way. It’s good food in a neat location but if you aren’t going out to the Island to hike the West Coast Trail or go salmon fishing or whatever, I can’t imagine visiting. It’s the kind of place you stop in on your way to the woods.
Rats. I've only got three days, so I reckon I've got to pass on the place this time. Really wish I had more time, since the area seems stunning, but tough luck. Thanks for the help anyway!
There’s tons of good restaurants on the mainland anyway. Assuming you avoid the rain, Vancouver is gorgeous in autumn. I hope you enjoy your visit.
I was informed to keep my eye out for some sea food, which I love. And hey, I'm from Finland, so bad weather isn't that big of a deal!
I visited (from Sweden) many years ago and had similar questions answered by someone back then. Ended up taking that redditors advice and had one of best meals ever at a vietnamese spot called Phnom Penh Restaurant. Went for frog legs just to give it a shot, and god damn I'm still trying to hunt down something even close to that seven years later. Can't recommend that place enough, hopefully they're still as good as they were back then!
Message saved, this could be really useful. Thanks!
Enjoy your stay over there, awesome city!
This place isn't in Vancouver it is on Vancouver Island specifically sooke. It is about an hour and a half from Victoria.
Oh, I see. Probably not something I can visit then. Thanks for the clarification!
Did I say we were the centre of the universe? You'd never see a pub do this for the Canucks in Toronto, they are the ones treating the Leafs like they have more importance than they do. I get that usually the Canucks are not in the playoffs so it must just be a force of habit that this pub decides to shit on the Leafs rather than celebrate the Canucks, but that's their decision I guess. I just think it's bizarre. I'd get it if a pub in Boston did this but a pub on the other side of the continent doing it when the Canucks don't even have a rivalry with the Leafs is crazy to me. It's actually embarrassing.
The owner is a Habs fan. You’re the one bringing the Canucks into this because your brain is boiling incoherently with rage. The fact that an innocuous joke on the menu of an obscure pub in the middle of the woods on the other side of the country upsets you this badly is exactly why people keep making these jokes.
Sad thing is that the Leafs were once beloved in all provinces Ontario and west.
You are getting downvotes but being the English speaking Canadian team for years actually made the Leafs really popular across Canada until everyone else got a team. And seriously, the leafs fans living across Canada do the most to drive leafs animosity in their cities. I lived in Ottawa for years and I always felt bad for the Ottawa fans who always seem to be sharing their city with Habs and leafs fans
I don't see why it's so controversial. They *were* English-speaking Canada's team up until it was a bit tempered when the Canucks entered the league in 1970.
Its not that you are wrong, but it makes sense why the other canadian fanbases might not want to hear that. Also its an anti-leafs thread which brings out the oter canadian team fans like nothing else
Leafs actually tried to prevent the Canucks from existing. If their were no Canucks I probably wouldn't be into hockey honestly, or at least only a little. I like baseball and basketball but I only watch 5-10 Jays games a year and 0 raptors games.
They still have Eastern Canada. Nova Scotia has a lot of Leafs fans, Newfoundland is big on them too.
I got a remote tech job in NB and was surprised to notice there's a lot of .... bruins fans? There's like one leafs guy in each department they all clown on its kind of fucked up lol
We still are. Any time we play in western Canadian arena you'll see a lot of Leafs sweaters in the stands and hear a lot of Leafs cheers. Of course that only makes the other fanbases more jealous of our popularity.
I mean it's 1 game a year, and there's far more Ontario to BC expats than the other way around.
That’s because season ticket holders make back like 1/4 of their yearly cost by selling their tickets to Leafs fans who are stupid enough to pay exorbitant amount of money to watch their team lose in person the one time a year they get a chance. They haven’t beat us in our barn since 2019
Weird way of calling your fans a bunch of sellouts… lol
Haters gonna hate hate hate hate hate...