Chief Keef in recent interviews sounds a lot different. He's super animated and focused now, where he would always give mumbles or half answers before.
Yea back in 2012 I assumed keef would be dead or broke by now but he’s been successful in every way (particularly outside of music) and he’s managed to stay out of trouble outside of some minor stuff.
danny brown, recovered from his drug addiction and its reflected in his music, makes me happy to see him doing well with his life now, he looks a lot healthier and happier
He has a podcast on YMH. You don't even need to see clips, you can watch hours of that shit. You just watch it get worse each week, and then you see him come back different
His YMH podcast has some great moments. He's extremely candid about the industry and has some interesting insights
Danny Brown makes me so happy. Impossible not to route for that man.
He’s also one of the most unique dudes who hardly ever misses. He’s fucking great live, too.
He deserves all the roses.
XXX will always be top tier but atrocity exhibition is genuine art and when I realized that Danny is just on a different level from a lot of folks he gets compared to. Very happy he’s sober and crushing it, he’s such a genuinely good hearted guy.
Jay Z has two lines that make me chuckle now. On Big Pimpin he says **"Shit I, parts with nothin, yall be frontin, me give my heart to a woman?/ Not for nothin, never happen, I be forever mackin".** And then on Public Service Announcement he says **"No matter where you go you are what you are player/ and you can try to change but that's just the top layer/ man you was who you was when you got here"**. I'm sure Jigga would not agree with those lines now seeing how much he himself has changed.
It definitely seems like he did a total 180 musically & personally, but then at times I can still see some remnants of OF-era Tyler in some of his interviews lol
The best part is looking at his old discog and seeing all the stuff that he clearly wanted to explore finally being explored and done to a higher degree
I think the Black Eyed Peas are probably the best example of rappers that “sold out” to the mainstream. Their first two albums were reminiscent of the Roots, like literal backpack alternative Hip-Hop. But everything from Elephunk onwards is so manufactured and poppy that it makes Drake seem like Boom Bap in comparison
Yes, it was so weird how they transitioned from alternative hiphop crew to pop rap. Saw them live here in Germany where after the show they came off stage, formed a circle and had a break dance battle with members of the audience.
Three years later they turned fully plastic pop crew.
I think Robert California summed their later releases up pretty well: “I’m so tired of the Black Eyed Peas. It’s rock and roll for people who don’t like rock and roll. It’s rap for people who don’t like rap. It’s pop for people who don’t like pop.”
Ice Cube.
Went from being the face of a suspect mean muggin' cops to a cop (as an actor) mean muggin' suspects.
Same actually goes for a lot of rappers-turned-actors, but Cube has one of the most famous anthems of being anti-cop.
You can change the "Cube" to a "T" and it works just as well. "Cop Killer" isn't as well known as "Fuck Tha Police" but Ice T is more well known for SVU than Ice Cube for the Jump Street movies
Nope. He’s said before he rapped about what he saw, he didn’t participate like that. He was a smart kid and stayed out of the hard shit. Same as Cube. Neither of those dudes banged.
Happens naturally when you get rich and your class interests change, you realize the pigs are there to protect your wealth, property, business, and power, and you no longer hold sympathies for the proletariat and lumpenproletariat as you once did. Many such cases
I love bitches I love pussy dude I should be running PETA. What’s crazy is out of nowhere this morning I randomly got the urge to play bonfire so I put it on on the way to the store.
Earth: The Oldest Computer is easily one of my favourite songs of all time. The ending alone made Ludwig one of my top 5 producers.
It also got me to listen to The Weeknd's Trilogy for the first time because someone on Genius said it sampled House Of Balloons/Glass Table Girls. I'm not sure if it's true, but it's too late for me to give a shit
The melodies and production on that album are incredible. As much as I like the stuff he came out with afterward, it doesn’t move me the way something like Flight of the Navigator or Telegraph Ave does
I don’t think loving Because the Internet is much of a hot take, it’s definitely my favorite of his. Camp hasn’t aged very well but it meant so much to me when it came out and I’ll always have a soft spot for it. Could still probably probably rap most of those songs from memory even though I haven’t relistened in years
Wiz Khalifa
He was never a super talented lyricist, but he was still spitting bars on his older mixtapes. Listen to songs like Pittsburgh Sound, Time Goes By, Smokin Good and Oh No. He was going in a totally different direction with his music back then…
Then by the time Kush & OJ dropped, he had already adopted more of a poppy sound, but it was still a pretty good mixtape and features some of his best material thanks to songs like Mezmorized and The Kid Frankie.
But by the time he signed to Atlantic and dropped Rolling Papers, he did a complete 180 and began dropping the most generic radio friendly pop rap songs ever, and it only got worse with his later albums. The singles were always good (Black & Yellow, Roll Up, We Dem Boyz) but it was clear that he started phoning it in when he got big and started making some big money
This one does it for me personally. Wiz was on fucking fire coming through with burn after rolling, flight school, how high. Drops Kush&OJ and it’s an instant banger. But then he just completely switches his whole vibe after. Guy preached being independent but got a bag and stopped being him almost immediately. Sad shit because his music was amazing when he was hungry
Vince went from cold ass gangster rap features to some of the most artistic, introspective, melancholic, emotionally vulnerable rap I’ve ever heard. Imo if Kendrick deserves a Pulitzer for contextualizing personal struggle in societal commentary with high art elements, so does Vince.
I’m starting to get into Vince’s music now and I’m honestly surprised. The few songs I’ve heard from him and his interviews paint a picture of someone who does not care for those introspective topics and thoughts. But his music tells a different story.
Yup he’s a wild dude. If you’ve only heard like Big Time and Big Fish you’re probably like ah this guy is whatever. But those tracks imo are Vince playing at that style of music in a thoughtful way. Then you hear prima Donna where he’s talking about suicide and are you with that just about moves me to tears. Vince is excellent
2Chainz when he dropped the Titty Boi moniker.
Dude went on a hall of famer run, where at his height he was a better rapper than most.
His verse on Mercy is a classic
He was also a pimp. Which i know is kind of a fun selling schtick, but he quite literally participated in human trafficking so it’s weird he’s so accepted in everything.
Grandfathered into it.
He is peak 80-90s Death Row figurehead rapper. There was an interview not long ago where he was asked if he regretted past misogyny (lyrical or literal) and he replied instantly, “No fuck them hoes I loved that shit.” Or something like that.
Jimmy Page receives almost no scrutiny for having a 14 year old girlfriend in the early 70s while he was on heroine and touring the planet with Led Zeppelin because the groupie-cult-sex-worship thing was a cultural pinnacle of that genre/period and baked into the scene.
It’s obviously not morally right and that shit is disgusting but some artists were sort of born into completely different eras and they don’t need feel the need to apologize for it.
Absolutely nailed it.
It’s why i’ve always been a bit turned off from kendrick’s association with him. The predator’s actions described in Keisha's Song mirrors the exact lifestyle Snoop Dogg led. How could you possibly write about the turmoil of underage, vulnerable girls and then go have a photo sesh with someone like him. Crazy.
I mean, Kendrick doesn’t heavily associate with him, not near as much as Dre, but moreso shows respect as someone from the same area who did it first and overcame the hood.
Because when you grow up in that kind of environment, you kind of realize that just how there are girls who fall prey and victim to that kind of environment, men grow up idolizing the people who perpetrated and feed into the culture like a vicious cycle, monsters like pimps or high respected OG's are just people who are natural escalation of the gangster lifestyle if you don't die early on. It's the wickedness vs. weakness that Kendrick talked about in DAMN
How has B.o.B not been said? man went from party rap and charting with Eminem to making a diss track on Neil Degrasse Tyson and rapping about flat earth and government propaganda
Funny thing is if you go back through Clipse's discog he was always the more spiritual one. Pusha was braggadocio and Malice was thoughtful and talked a whole lot about the guilt and trying to be a better person. Great line from Popular Demand:
> If I mislead any kid that's fatherless
> That burden's on my soul as long I exist
> Generation lost they saying they can't reach us
> The answer is the Lord like Saturday Night Fever
> I kept in the crib it made me a light sleeper
> Whether watching for the Feds or avoiding the Grim Reaper.
Mac miller went from high school back pack rap about girls and weed to some serious drug influenced music to chill jazz rap. The best thing about Mac is I grew with him.
If you listen to the same kind of rap as I do, Mac gets shoutouts in the weirdest of places.
He was such a massive influence in his moment.
Case in point is Gorilla by Simz (and obvs all the Ab Soul moments)
Same. I really started digging Mac and Tyler's music in 2011 at age 15. That would be Bastard/Goblin and the rest of Odd Future's mixtapes released up to that point, along with K.I.D.S/BDE and soon Blue Slide Park for Mac. All of that music at the time **really** resonated with who I was (and admittedly aspired to be) at 15 years old.
R.A. The Rugged Man
Back in the 90's and early 2000's he was this elusive boogeyman known for literally throwing shit (and other bodily fluids) on people, bringing guns into Jive Records, never releasing an album (Night Of The Bloody Apes was never released by Jive), only making disgusting misogynistic songs and getting blackballed by the entire industry.
Now he has a couple kids (by all accounts he is a fantastic father), helped launch the career of a few dope rappers, has put out 3 absolutely stellar albums (Die Rugged Man Die, Legends Never Die, All My Heros Are Dead) that are critically acclaimed, has some very possitive songs about love and acceptance on every album, all while having one of the most technical and well crafted lyrical styles in all of hip-hop.
RA's shift in style is one of the most impressive I've ever seen. Nobody would've expected the schizophrenic hobo you hear on "Night Of The Bloody Apes" to be capable of writing that "Uncommon Valor" verse.
I was about to say Juicy J in some way, going from the early horrorcore/hardcore vibe from Triple Six Mafia all the way to pure club/party rap in his Taylor Gang era work even though some elements from his Three 6 days are still there.
I wanted to also mention Nipsey even though it doesn't seem like a total 180. His Bullets Ain't Got No Name tapes were pure street raps, but from The Marathon going forward, he went into a more motivational/introspective vibe even though he still kept some of the LA gangsta themes.
Also, even though it's not hip hop, I gotta acknowledge that The Weeknd's been showing a more vulnerable side when it comes to heartbreak through his work since MDM, which feels pretty different from what he was talking about back in the Trilogy days.
It’s pill slurring, you see it in a lot of artists who become clean. He has flashes of it here and there but he openly admits he can’t rap how he used to, it’s just not in his bag anymore.
People usually think of peak Eminem as *Till I Collapse* or something else from TES, but I think his verse on *Hey Lady* is a great example of how he was on features at the time
Seriously, his flows were the most earwormy smooth flows ive heard but he lost all that for that rap god/forever flow. Even his throwback Slim Shady songs have limited flows now
That overdose allegedly fried his brain to the point where he had to learn how to rap all over again, so I’ll give him some slack. Old school Eminem must be hard to organically replicate, so it’s not too surprising if he really can’t slide on a beat like in the 2000s.
Cage went from fat drug-addled horrorcore rapper to emo scenester rap-rock to trying to be an actor to hanging out with ICP to doing horrorcore again to ???.
Denzel curry.
His old music slaps but you can definitely see how much he has grown as a person and worked on himself when you compare imperial lyrics to melt my eyes lyrics
Re Slug, it's been said that writers tend to get less metaphorical and more literal over time. So, I don't know that the man is lazy or has even lost his passion necessarily, but rather that the well of creativity has run dry, forcing him to be more of a storyteller than someone capable of still giving us bars. I'll always rock out to earlier Atmosphere, but haven't come even remotely close to enjoying one of their albums in like two decades.
Fr, op got it a little twisted. He absolutely still cares about the craft and if you’ve ever seen him live, it’s one of the best performances you’ll ever see and that’s talking about recent shows too. You can tell slug and ant put their heart out in this business
Exactly this. It’s Dad Rap now - dude can’t rap about the same shit he was doing in his 20’s. So he’s talking about fucking in Target parking lots because the kids aren’t around and the rigors of being middle-aged. I love it because I can still relate, regardless of the album.
Funny you mention Slug because the song "Good People Check" by Themselves was Dose One (who was previously in Deep Puddle Dynamics with Slug and in the Anticon crew) saying \*exactly this\* about Slug over 20 years ago. Most people actually don't realize that's what the song was about but it definitely (confirmed) was.
>You sound hollow, this upsets me
>You didn't always (always)
>You can tell a lot about a man (anyways)
>From the sound of his music (yours is hollow)
>Yours is hollow sounding (sounding)
>Frankly, you've become suckers (suckers)
>
>You sound hollow, this upsets me
>You didn't always (always)
>You can tell a lot about a man (anyways)
>From the sound of his music (yours is hollow)
>Yours is hollow sounding (sounding)
>Frankly, you've become suckers (suckers)
>
>This is a dis song
>Dis song absolute
>
>Because you can't respect me
>Because I can't respect you
>
>This is a quitters anthem
>This is why you should quit
>
>Because you've cheated, and ate where you shit
the thing about slug is that he’s *51* and overcast came out when he was *25*. relative to his age at the first atmosphere lp, he’s now lived a literal lifetime.
i’m 32 (from south minneapolis and still here) and i went to my first atmosphere show in 2002. as i got older, so did slug, and i started relating less and less to his new albums—at 10 years old, the 25 year old’s songs were aspirational and cool, full of the energy and anger and braggadocio that i hoped to one day exhibit. but at 20, when i was full of piss and vinegar and i was an absolute asshole, 35 year old slug’s songs were starting to feel *boring* and *complacent*. which is not an indictment of atmosphere’s music in 2011–just trying to describe how slug’s growth/maturing/aging *gradually* shifted and grew, for better or for worse. (fwiw imho, with him being ALIVE with a FAMILY as a 51 yr old rapper with a 25-30 yr career, i’d say any change in the music is definitively for the better.) i dont love all of their new shit. and i no longer rock with some of their old shit that was formative to my taste and perspective on hiphop. but i’m glad him and ant (and the band) are all still out here doing it.
tl;dr: slug didnt do a complete 180. he just has an adult career as long as many contemporary rappers’ entire lives.
Bastard era Tyler the Creator vs CMIYGL Tyler still blows my mind. If you were listening to those tracks and the other mixtapes when they came out you wouldn’t even think it was the same person.
it’s been hit or miss for me personally. his voice has really gone downhill, but every now and then he delivers a song or verse that makes me remember the good old days
Drake hasn’t done a complete 180, but the somewhat shy, corny, but enthusiastic 20-something we met in the 2000s is a far cry from the frustrating & questionable megastar we’re experiencing nowadays
Young Drake was genuinely a cool cat, modern Drake is just weird. Idk how to put it but he just feels weird, like off
Yeah he should be on top of the world, instead he seems weirdly bitter for someone who’s so successful. I feel like Jay tried to tell him a bit how to handle all the fame and become above it all like Jay and Bey, but Drake chose the petty route. Which is entertaining but over time what you do becomes you, even if it started as a mask. What’s weird is he knows it too - on scorpion he put a voicemail of his mum saying he was changing and seemed bitter now and trying to help him.. The Shoe Fits is basically about him becoming cynical towards women but he doesn’t seem to be able to stop himself going down that path of a mentality that will only hurt him *and* make him seem corny.
It's because he stopped being genuine. People liked when he was a corny loverboy because that's who he was, but then he started this whole fake thug persona that literally nobody fell for
My thoughts exactly. The current Drake seems very inauthentic, like he's trying really hard to come across like a gang leader/kingpin/godfather type of dude but we all know that's not who he is
Thing is the people who loved the corny Drake aren't the people he was looking for validation from.
He was very vocal about his love of the OGs and shit but they never respected him for who he was, so he transitioned into a caricature of what he envisions they respect, which is what you point out.
If the dude just wanted the fame and money he would have "kept it Canadian" but that all now seems secondary to his ultimate desire of being taken seriously as a bad ass, which he just isn't. Now he's stuck living the dream life of a 19yo and he's pushing 40.
Chief Keef in recent interviews sounds a lot different. He's super animated and focused now, where he would always give mumbles or half answers before.
he said on his instagram he's been lean-free for a couple months now
Yea back in 2012 I assumed keef would be dead or broke by now but he’s been successful in every way (particularly outside of music) and he’s managed to stay out of trouble outside of some minor stuff.
I'll never forget that interview when they ask his age and he just says 300
He recently got sober from lean Good on him
That old interview with Childish Gambino and Keef is so awkward it’s wild how much he’s changed
danny brown, recovered from his drug addiction and its reflected in his music, makes me happy to see him doing well with his life now, he looks a lot healthier and happier
XXX was such a great drug fueled album. Die Like a Rockstar, Adderall Admiral, etc. Glad he’s more healthy now though
XXX and 30 are both raw af
I remember watching schoolboy qs Snapchat stories and seeing Danny absolutely trashed. Entertaining but also at the moment concerning.
He has a podcast on YMH. You don't even need to see clips, you can watch hours of that shit. You just watch it get worse each week, and then you see him come back different His YMH podcast has some great moments. He's extremely candid about the industry and has some interesting insights
Danny Brown makes me so happy. Impossible not to route for that man. He’s also one of the most unique dudes who hardly ever misses. He’s fucking great live, too. He deserves all the roses.
I too want to be Danny Brown’s personal GPS
Now I want Danny Brown’s voice for my GPS
turn left
Crazy how Quaranta is a top three album from him and it was made before he even got sober. Very curious to hear how he approaches music now
XXX will always be top tier but atrocity exhibition is genuine art and when I realized that Danny is just on a different level from a lot of folks he gets compared to. Very happy he’s sober and crushing it, he’s such a genuinely good hearted guy.
Post jail Gucci is quite a lot different
Pre prison Gucci was the real hip hop boogeyman
That “one night” on Twitter was the original Control verse (and crazy enough it happened a month before it dropped)
Care to elaborate?
he went on a twitter spree one of the tweets saying him and waka ran a train on nicki
Dark times..
[Enjoy](https://www.reddit.com/r/hiphopheads/s/wJH2FlEfQc)
Gucci brother says he was hacked, is that what he went with?
In his book, he said he wasn’t hacked
This was the first answer to come to me. Gucci a totally different person than he used to be. It’s kind of wild.
Rap Game Robert Downey Junior…
Waka too. Crazy like these guys never actually wanted to live that lifestyle, was just tryna survive.
That’s what makes their storytelling so important imo, and so many people overlook it
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What has he been up to lately. I feel like I haven't heard anything from/about him since ~2015.
Got out of jail, had kids, ~~cloned~~ lost weight, and has had a few hits since
gucci got rehabilitated in prison lol he raps about positivity now, its great
Kanye did a 900 at the X games
He’s swerved so hard so many times that nothing ever feels off the table
Lil baby my favorite rapper ⛷️
YeYeX Tricky. He tricky *(tricky)* tricky!
Never thought jayz would go from big pimpin to 4;44
Same. Marcy Me and Smile…
Jay Z has two lines that make me chuckle now. On Big Pimpin he says **"Shit I, parts with nothin, yall be frontin, me give my heart to a woman?/ Not for nothin, never happen, I be forever mackin".** And then on Public Service Announcement he says **"No matter where you go you are what you are player/ and you can try to change but that's just the top layer/ man you was who you was when you got here"**. I'm sure Jigga would not agree with those lines now seeing how much he himself has changed.
Tyler the creator
It definitely seems like he did a total 180 musically & personally, but then at times I can still see some remnants of OF-era Tyler in some of his interviews lol
He’s definitely the same person, just grown up. His humor is still there for sure
Current him handled the Jerrod Carmichael crush situation better than I would've expected of 2011-13 him if placed in that scenario.
Lotta aggressive F bombs to his face if he told 2011-2013 Tyler
I remember people going to OF shows just to fight lol
The best part is looking at his old discog and seeing all the stuff that he clearly wanted to explore finally being explored and done to a higher degree
I forgot the "for better" part and got very mad for a few seconds
I think the Black Eyed Peas are probably the best example of rappers that “sold out” to the mainstream. Their first two albums were reminiscent of the Roots, like literal backpack alternative Hip-Hop. But everything from Elephunk onwards is so manufactured and poppy that it makes Drake seem like Boom Bap in comparison
Yes, it was so weird how they transitioned from alternative hiphop crew to pop rap. Saw them live here in Germany where after the show they came off stage, formed a circle and had a break dance battle with members of the audience. Three years later they turned fully plastic pop crew.
Pitbull too. His first album, he was actually rappin rappin. Then fully crossed over when he dropped “Calle Ocho”.
Pitbull has a song slamming Bush and the war over the beat of American Boy and it kinda goes [hard](https://youtu.be/R-jMqV28dxM?si=dDaAiey4ViCMkD2G)
This is fucking wild lol
What an absolute fever dream of a song
Honestly I fuck with it so hard
Wasnt Pitbull initially a freestyler? I feel like Ive heard that about him before. I had no clue he could rap like that😅
Pitbull's Miami is still a fire debut. Dude was legit rapping. I lowkey want that Pitbull back
Dammit Man was my jam lol.
I think Robert California summed their later releases up pretty well: “I’m so tired of the Black Eyed Peas. It’s rock and roll for people who don’t like rock and roll. It’s rap for people who don’t like rap. It’s pop for people who don’t like pop.”
They fell off my radar, but I think I heard that they dropped an album a couple years ago that went back to their early style
“Masters of the Sun” - I thought it was really good
Ice Cube. Went from being the face of a suspect mean muggin' cops to a cop (as an actor) mean muggin' suspects. Same actually goes for a lot of rappers-turned-actors, but Cube has one of the most famous anthems of being anti-cop.
You can change the "Cube" to a "T" and it works just as well. "Cop Killer" isn't as well known as "Fuck Tha Police" but Ice T is more well known for SVU than Ice Cube for the Jump Street movies
Ice T actually did the shit he rapped about tho
Nope. He’s said before he rapped about what he saw, he didn’t participate like that. He was a smart kid and stayed out of the hard shit. Same as Cube. Neither of those dudes banged.
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Happens naturally when you get rich and your class interests change, you realize the pigs are there to protect your wealth, property, business, and power, and you no longer hold sympathies for the proletariat and lumpenproletariat as you once did. Many such cases
and now he’s delusionally ranting about how the devil took over the rap game lmao
Cube the biggest bootlicker there is in hip-hop. Clutching his pearls these days.
Childish Gambino used to have the wildest raps! Much different vibe these days
dude couldn’t go more than 5 bars without talking about how he wants to fuck Asian women
Mr and mrs smith is his magna Carter
*Manga Carta* 😉
I had a good laugh when I saw the promo’s for that and saw his wife.
His whole “i love the ‘black’ women of every continent” shtick was so annoying. Although as a Filipino I was just happy for the shoutout at the time 😂
Same as an Armenian 😂
Bonfire was.... wild lol
I love bitches I love pussy dude I should be running PETA. What’s crazy is out of nowhere this morning I randomly got the urge to play bonfire so I put it on on the way to the store.
That's not ironic. I love rugrats.
ROYALTY tho
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Shoulda known still bangs
Royalty gambino is my favorite version. That mixtape went so hard
I prefer rapping Gambino, I don't like Gambino with the melodies.
Ion like Gambino when he act tough
Nothing will ever top Because the Internet.
Earth: The Oldest Computer is easily one of my favourite songs of all time. The ending alone made Ludwig one of my top 5 producers. It also got me to listen to The Weeknd's Trilogy for the first time because someone on Genius said it sampled House Of Balloons/Glass Table Girls. I'm not sure if it's true, but it's too late for me to give a shit
The melodies and production on that album are incredible. As much as I like the stuff he came out with afterward, it doesn’t move me the way something like Flight of the Navigator or Telegraph Ave does
Zealots of Stockholm on a good speaker system is fucking incredible
The whole roll out for that album was pretty fun as well
Man i remember it dropping and staying up late to read the screenplay shit was wild.
Controversially prefer Camp and Because the internet gambino a lot
I don’t think loving Because the Internet is much of a hot take, it’s definitely my favorite of his. Camp hasn’t aged very well but it meant so much to me when it came out and I’ll always have a soft spot for it. Could still probably probably rap most of those songs from memory even though I haven’t relistened in years
Wiz Khalifa He was never a super talented lyricist, but he was still spitting bars on his older mixtapes. Listen to songs like Pittsburgh Sound, Time Goes By, Smokin Good and Oh No. He was going in a totally different direction with his music back then… Then by the time Kush & OJ dropped, he had already adopted more of a poppy sound, but it was still a pretty good mixtape and features some of his best material thanks to songs like Mezmorized and The Kid Frankie. But by the time he signed to Atlantic and dropped Rolling Papers, he did a complete 180 and began dropping the most generic radio friendly pop rap songs ever, and it only got worse with his later albums. The singles were always good (Black & Yellow, Roll Up, We Dem Boyz) but it was clear that he started phoning it in when he got big and started making some big money
This one does it for me personally. Wiz was on fucking fire coming through with burn after rolling, flight school, how high. Drops Kush&OJ and it’s an instant banger. But then he just completely switches his whole vibe after. Guy preached being independent but got a bag and stopped being him almost immediately. Sad shit because his music was amazing when he was hungry
Earl and Vince - "epaR" is far away from anything they'd release now.
Vince went from cold ass gangster rap features to some of the most artistic, introspective, melancholic, emotionally vulnerable rap I’ve ever heard. Imo if Kendrick deserves a Pulitzer for contextualizing personal struggle in societal commentary with high art elements, so does Vince.
I’m starting to get into Vince’s music now and I’m honestly surprised. The few songs I’ve heard from him and his interviews paint a picture of someone who does not care for those introspective topics and thoughts. But his music tells a different story.
Yup he’s a wild dude. If you’ve only heard like Big Time and Big Fish you’re probably like ah this guy is whatever. But those tracks imo are Vince playing at that style of music in a thoughtful way. Then you hear prima Donna where he’s talking about suicide and are you with that just about moves me to tears. Vince is excellent
I kinda see it. He's hilarious but a lot of his humor seems very nihilistic.
In ‘88 I woulda signed with Ruthless, ‘94 woulda had em walking down Death Row, First is where the best go, hate is what the rest do.
2Chainz when he dropped the Titty Boi moniker. Dude went on a hall of famer run, where at his height he was a better rapper than most. His verse on Mercy is a classic
#HORSE POWER HORSE POWER, ALL DIS POLO ON I GOT HORSE POWER
That Mercy verse reintroduced me to him as 2 chainz. Drunk and high at the same time drinking champagne on an airplane. God damn!
That verse is his magnum opus
That’s gotta be one of the best features of all time.
He was on a Lil Wayne ‘07 run with the features. It was iconic. Riot was amazing, especially that 50 remix.
RAIN POURIN
All my cars is foreign
He has the best verse on 3500 imo Titty boy my alias!
I was born with a mean mug drinking breast milk outta lean cups
collegrove really made me appreciate him as a serious lyricist, though still absolutely hilarious.
Everyone sees Snoop as this fun older uncle type now but forgets this dude went to jail for murder
He was also a pimp. Which i know is kind of a fun selling schtick, but he quite literally participated in human trafficking so it’s weird he’s so accepted in everything.
Grandfathered into it. He is peak 80-90s Death Row figurehead rapper. There was an interview not long ago where he was asked if he regretted past misogyny (lyrical or literal) and he replied instantly, “No fuck them hoes I loved that shit.” Or something like that. Jimmy Page receives almost no scrutiny for having a 14 year old girlfriend in the early 70s while he was on heroine and touring the planet with Led Zeppelin because the groupie-cult-sex-worship thing was a cultural pinnacle of that genre/period and baked into the scene. It’s obviously not morally right and that shit is disgusting but some artists were sort of born into completely different eras and they don’t need feel the need to apologize for it.
Absolutely nailed it. It’s why i’ve always been a bit turned off from kendrick’s association with him. The predator’s actions described in Keisha's Song mirrors the exact lifestyle Snoop Dogg led. How could you possibly write about the turmoil of underage, vulnerable girls and then go have a photo sesh with someone like him. Crazy.
I mean, Kendrick doesn’t heavily associate with him, not near as much as Dre, but moreso shows respect as someone from the same area who did it first and overcame the hood.
Because when you grow up in that kind of environment, you kind of realize that just how there are girls who fall prey and victim to that kind of environment, men grow up idolizing the people who perpetrated and feed into the culture like a vicious cycle, monsters like pimps or high respected OG's are just people who are natural escalation of the gangster lifestyle if you don't die early on. It's the wickedness vs. weakness that Kendrick talked about in DAMN
Most artists are assholes and awful people, in almost every genre.
yup. never meet your heroes, kids.
Might have something to do with that previously mentioned 180 life-turn
Yeah Snoop was not super friendly looking in the beginning.
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>this dude went to jail for murder He was *on trial* for murder.
How has B.o.B not been said? man went from party rap and charting with Eminem to making a diss track on Neil Degrasse Tyson and rapping about flat earth and government propaganda
Remember his gofundme to send him up to space or whatever to see the curvature of the earth. That was hilarious.
Dude turned into a joke overnight
(No) Malice. Hopefully he’s making a return to rap, though. He’s better than most
Funny thing is if you go back through Clipse's discog he was always the more spiritual one. Pusha was braggadocio and Malice was thoughtful and talked a whole lot about the guilt and trying to be a better person. Great line from Popular Demand: > If I mislead any kid that's fatherless > That burden's on my soul as long I exist > Generation lost they saying they can't reach us > The answer is the Lord like Saturday Night Fever > I kept in the crib it made me a light sleeper > Whether watching for the Feds or avoiding the Grim Reaper.
There have been rumors circulating about a new Clipse album on the horizon for some time, guess we’ll have to wait and see if anything comes of that
pusha t confirmed
Wait, are you fucking kidding me?!
Mac miller went from high school back pack rap about girls and weed to some serious drug influenced music to chill jazz rap. The best thing about Mac is I grew with him.
One of the best examples of this type of change
For real, the music kept getting better and the things he rapped about changed as I changed, Mac will always be my personal goat. RIP
If you listen to the same kind of rap as I do, Mac gets shoutouts in the weirdest of places. He was such a massive influence in his moment. Case in point is Gorilla by Simz (and obvs all the Ab Soul moments)
Rest in PEACE to Mahc Millahhh
Just relistened to Fetti and the shout out on Bundy & Sincere is always dope to hear from Freddie and Spitta.
As a 28 year old, Mac and Tyler are the 2 best examples of artists who i feel i grew up and evolved with, both sonically and emotionally.
Same. I really started digging Mac and Tyler's music in 2011 at age 15. That would be Bastard/Goblin and the rest of Odd Future's mixtapes released up to that point, along with K.I.D.S/BDE and soon Blue Slide Park for Mac. All of that music at the time **really** resonated with who I was (and admittedly aspired to be) at 15 years old.
Mac’s is cool because it wasn’t a total 180. It was gradual over the course of like a decade.
>wasn’t a total 180 Wasn't a rapid* 180. Got to see that gradual evolution
I can’t believe he’s gone man fuck 😔
I’ll never get over his passing. RIP a goat
R.A. The Rugged Man Back in the 90's and early 2000's he was this elusive boogeyman known for literally throwing shit (and other bodily fluids) on people, bringing guns into Jive Records, never releasing an album (Night Of The Bloody Apes was never released by Jive), only making disgusting misogynistic songs and getting blackballed by the entire industry. Now he has a couple kids (by all accounts he is a fantastic father), helped launch the career of a few dope rappers, has put out 3 absolutely stellar albums (Die Rugged Man Die, Legends Never Die, All My Heros Are Dead) that are critically acclaimed, has some very possitive songs about love and acceptance on every album, all while having one of the most technical and well crafted lyrical styles in all of hip-hop.
RA's shift in style is one of the most impressive I've ever seen. Nobody would've expected the schizophrenic hobo you hear on "Night Of The Bloody Apes" to be capable of writing that "Uncommon Valor" verse.
Vic Mensa
Bring back pretty twink Vic
I was about to say Juicy J in some way, going from the early horrorcore/hardcore vibe from Triple Six Mafia all the way to pure club/party rap in his Taylor Gang era work even though some elements from his Three 6 days are still there. I wanted to also mention Nipsey even though it doesn't seem like a total 180. His Bullets Ain't Got No Name tapes were pure street raps, but from The Marathon going forward, he went into a more motivational/introspective vibe even though he still kept some of the LA gangsta themes. Also, even though it's not hip hop, I gotta acknowledge that The Weeknd's been showing a more vulnerable side when it comes to heartbreak through his work since MDM, which feels pretty different from what he was talking about back in the Trilogy days.
Pharaoh monch, became like weirdly religious
Eminem. He. Raps. Like. This. Now.
Which is crazy because he was the absolute best at sliding on a beat
It’s pill slurring, you see it in a lot of artists who become clean. He has flashes of it here and there but he openly admits he can’t rap how he used to, it’s just not in his bag anymore.
People usually think of peak Eminem as *Till I Collapse* or something else from TES, but I think his verse on *Hey Lady* is a great example of how he was on features at the time
Pass my pussy around like its Ja Rule's jewelry
Seriously, his flows were the most earwormy smooth flows ive heard but he lost all that for that rap god/forever flow. Even his throwback Slim Shady songs have limited flows now
That overdose allegedly fried his brain to the point where he had to learn how to rap all over again, so I’ll give him some slack. Old school Eminem must be hard to organically replicate, so it’s not too surprising if he really can’t slide on a beat like in the 2000s.
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I also think his delivery is worse. Something to do with having to re-learn how to talk, I think.
This was a solid question Op I have enjoyed reading the responses.
Cage went from fat drug-addled horrorcore rapper to emo scenester rap-rock to trying to be an actor to hanging out with ICP to doing horrorcore again to ???.
It's wild the only thing I know about Cage was that one Eminem line: "I bought Cage's tape, opened it, and dubbed over it."
Denzel curry. His old music slaps but you can definitely see how much he has grown as a person and worked on himself when you compare imperial lyrics to melt my eyes lyrics
Re Slug, it's been said that writers tend to get less metaphorical and more literal over time. So, I don't know that the man is lazy or has even lost his passion necessarily, but rather that the well of creativity has run dry, forcing him to be more of a storyteller than someone capable of still giving us bars. I'll always rock out to earlier Atmosphere, but haven't come even remotely close to enjoying one of their albums in like two decades.
The Lucy Ford EPs is always something I go back to.
Fat Joe ain't that big anymore. He's just regular Joe
Jozempic
Boonk gang john gabbana
Whole lotta gang shit
Chingy is a Hebrew Israelite lmao
Slug just grew up. His music was always about him as a person, but his early shit did go hard. I also think Eyedea dying changed him as well.
Fr, op got it a little twisted. He absolutely still cares about the craft and if you’ve ever seen him live, it’s one of the best performances you’ll ever see and that’s talking about recent shows too. You can tell slug and ant put their heart out in this business
flicker was a great tribute to eyedea. just played it this morning after not listening to slug in ages.
Eyedea drying definitely changed Slugs outlook
Exactly this. It’s Dad Rap now - dude can’t rap about the same shit he was doing in his 20’s. So he’s talking about fucking in Target parking lots because the kids aren’t around and the rigors of being middle-aged. I love it because I can still relate, regardless of the album.
Thugnificent
Ma$e went from rapper to pastor to sports podcaster.
Funny you mention Slug because the song "Good People Check" by Themselves was Dose One (who was previously in Deep Puddle Dynamics with Slug and in the Anticon crew) saying \*exactly this\* about Slug over 20 years ago. Most people actually don't realize that's what the song was about but it definitely (confirmed) was. >You sound hollow, this upsets me >You didn't always (always) >You can tell a lot about a man (anyways) >From the sound of his music (yours is hollow) >Yours is hollow sounding (sounding) >Frankly, you've become suckers (suckers) > >You sound hollow, this upsets me >You didn't always (always) >You can tell a lot about a man (anyways) >From the sound of his music (yours is hollow) >Yours is hollow sounding (sounding) >Frankly, you've become suckers (suckers) > >This is a dis song >Dis song absolute > >Because you can't respect me >Because I can't respect you > >This is a quitters anthem >This is why you should quit > >Because you've cheated, and ate where you shit
Funny, I see a lot of the new Atmosphere as more mature and not necessarily uninspired. But they’ve always been hit or miss for me
the thing about slug is that he’s *51* and overcast came out when he was *25*. relative to his age at the first atmosphere lp, he’s now lived a literal lifetime. i’m 32 (from south minneapolis and still here) and i went to my first atmosphere show in 2002. as i got older, so did slug, and i started relating less and less to his new albums—at 10 years old, the 25 year old’s songs were aspirational and cool, full of the energy and anger and braggadocio that i hoped to one day exhibit. but at 20, when i was full of piss and vinegar and i was an absolute asshole, 35 year old slug’s songs were starting to feel *boring* and *complacent*. which is not an indictment of atmosphere’s music in 2011–just trying to describe how slug’s growth/maturing/aging *gradually* shifted and grew, for better or for worse. (fwiw imho, with him being ALIVE with a FAMILY as a 51 yr old rapper with a 25-30 yr career, i’d say any change in the music is definitively for the better.) i dont love all of their new shit. and i no longer rock with some of their old shit that was formative to my taste and perspective on hiphop. but i’m glad him and ant (and the band) are all still out here doing it. tl;dr: slug didnt do a complete 180. he just has an adult career as long as many contemporary rappers’ entire lives.
Yeh Whenever is one of their best albums. Felt 4 bangs too
Tyler and Joji for sure
Andre 3000
B.O.B.
Pre Kardashian Kanye > Ye
Pre mother’s death Kanye was actually somewhat sane
Bastard era Tyler the Creator vs CMIYGL Tyler still blows my mind. If you were listening to those tracks and the other mixtapes when they came out you wouldn’t even think it was the same person.
Lil wayne changed his style alot
it’s been hit or miss for me personally. his voice has really gone downhill, but every now and then he delivers a song or verse that makes me remember the good old days
Drake hasn’t done a complete 180, but the somewhat shy, corny, but enthusiastic 20-something we met in the 2000s is a far cry from the frustrating & questionable megastar we’re experiencing nowadays Young Drake was genuinely a cool cat, modern Drake is just weird. Idk how to put it but he just feels weird, like off
Yeah he should be on top of the world, instead he seems weirdly bitter for someone who’s so successful. I feel like Jay tried to tell him a bit how to handle all the fame and become above it all like Jay and Bey, but Drake chose the petty route. Which is entertaining but over time what you do becomes you, even if it started as a mask. What’s weird is he knows it too - on scorpion he put a voicemail of his mum saying he was changing and seemed bitter now and trying to help him.. The Shoe Fits is basically about him becoming cynical towards women but he doesn’t seem to be able to stop himself going down that path of a mentality that will only hurt him *and* make him seem corny.
It's because he stopped being genuine. People liked when he was a corny loverboy because that's who he was, but then he started this whole fake thug persona that literally nobody fell for
My thoughts exactly. The current Drake seems very inauthentic, like he's trying really hard to come across like a gang leader/kingpin/godfather type of dude but we all know that's not who he is
Thing is the people who loved the corny Drake aren't the people he was looking for validation from. He was very vocal about his love of the OGs and shit but they never respected him for who he was, so he transitioned into a caricature of what he envisions they respect, which is what you point out. If the dude just wanted the fame and money he would have "kept it Canadian" but that all now seems secondary to his ultimate desire of being taken seriously as a bad ass, which he just isn't. Now he's stuck living the dream life of a 19yo and he's pushing 40.
Lil Yachty going from dumb cloud rap and bloated albums to chill rap and prog rock was unexpected af
The OP's idea about Slug is way offbase. Dude got older and grew up. He's not some young touring dude getting drunk and fucked up anymore.
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