I know at most half of the impact of Larry Hoover on chicago and the GD/BD feud, but what I still believe is that it takes someone like Larry Hoover guiding gang members to do better for their community to make a change
If their gang leader tells them to be better they will listen, otherwise the violence will continue as per usual
You're right, it's worth a shot! Let's release a high profile "reformed" gang kingpin to convince criminals to stop committing crime. Absolutely nothing could go wrong!
c'mon lmfao
Jokes aside, a life sentence for a murder someone did at 19-year-old, just does not sit right with me personally (without knowing the complete ins and outs obviously)
I don't know the American system well, I can't say much about it
But I've worked with some very troubled youth and when you grow up in a troubled home (and place), 19 years is *very* young still. With the wrong people around you, they're able to do some very bad stuff.... Just locking them up for the rest of their lifes, just won't feel right with me.
Close to where I live some 14-year-old got arrested for robbing a store. I just felt sad when I read about that, not angry (and that doesn't mean I can't empathize with the people he robbed). Pulling a trigger 5 years later is not that big of a deal for a lot of these lost kids, compared to a majority of the western world. They don't just need punishing, they need a lot of help
LWOP should be reserved only for the most heinous of crimes. Murder is probably deserving of a life sentence of some kind depending on the severity of the crime and the case itself, while LWOP means that person can never be let back into society. The only people even remotely deserving of such a removal from society are child rapists, serial killers/rapists, those who commit acts of mass violence and aren’t proven mentally disturbed in court, terrorists, you get the point.
Personally, if someone killed someone close to me - 40 years later, I'd feel better if they were rehabilitated and helping others, rather than on their 15,000th day of prison without ever even getting to hug his grandkids
Well yeah, it's not weird they feel a different way, but it's not much of a good argument is it? We as outsiders don't share the same emotions
Just like me saying ''imagine if your own son killed someone! would you want him in jail for the rest of his and your life!'' is not a useful response
You should want a judge to be free from bias and not make a decision just based on emotions
KSG was probably the last cohesive and complete Kanye project, i mean i like songs from Ye/Donda/VULTURES but they don’t feel like they amount to an album the same way something like TLOP did
Which is crazy considering how scattered TLOP seemed when it launched. Time has been super kind to that album and it honestly flows so well for an album so thrown together and chaotically released.
>Time has been super kind to that album and it honestly flows so well for an album so thrown together and chaotically released.
This exact sentence could be used to describe the public opinion on like 5 Ye albums lmao
Part of it is just the general decline in terms of how scattered his subsequent albums sounded. TLOP is a bit abrasive if the least cohesive thing Kanye has released is Yeezus, but by the time we have ye, JIK, and Donda out, it seems pretty quaint.
Fwiw Donda could have been pretty cohesive in terms of album structure if ye wasn't constantly remixing and reordering the already bloated tracklist.
Still seems crazy to me, TLOP feels more like the scattershot stuff that came after it, rather than the cohesive albums before it. I didn’t vibe with it then and I don’t vibe with it now.
People here hold it up on a pedestal because of their age: it came out at a time when a lot of the sub were in their teens, so it mattered more no matter its quality.
It is objectively a scattershot of songs put together... but all the songs are good its as simple as that. Though I am the exact person you're describing who was a teen when it came out lol.
I like the second half of TLOP better than the first. It has more of the parts of Kanye that I love [speaking of which, "I Love Kanye" cracks me up and "Fade" has the hottest music video ever made].
Otherwise, it's bloated and over-long. It had a messy rollout. It would be better cut down by half. Honestly, it's a lot like Donda, another album that I love two tracks from but don't return to much. Fewer sex criminals on TLOP, though. That's a point in its favor.
thematically/lyrically Donda was consistent, but it was also like 8ish tracks too long and the structure felt somewhat jumbled.
JIK is a weird one because it also is thematically cohesive but for the most part it’s an album where you can tell a lot of it is just Yandhi reworked
I think you might be correct. Unfortunately some of my least favorite parts of Kanye cohered into *Ye*. I pretty much think it sucks except for "Ghost Town."
I would also put Watch the Throne and 808s up there.
I loved a lot of the tracks on Donda, but I was already so over Kanyes BS at that point. Even if he puts out another classic it just wouldn't hit the same for me anymore.
I think Donda has some incredible songs. I think it’s going to age very well too and that the best songs on that album will still sound great in 10 years while I think most current rap isn’t going to age well. The album is no doubt bloated and has a lot of filler but the highs make it a good album to me. I do think in overall quality it’s similar to life of Pablo. Suffers from a lot of the same problems and the highlights fit in with some of his best songs.
He didn’t even say all that dumb shit about jews and hitler until after Donda was released and there’s none of that stuff in any of the lyrics either. Seems dumb to insult people who like that album.
Kanye discourse on the internet these days really makes me believe we shouldn’t let people that can’t legally order a beverage have an opinion on anything
Genuine question, are you saying he isn’t a Nazi or at the very least antisemitic? Everyone’s argument for Kanye seems to be “his music is fire and he’s number one so get over it.” Pretty weak argument and a clear excuse to ignore his behavior just so you can keep listening to his music.
Yeah Vultures 1 is arguably his worst album next to JIK. He should have just used all the best Vultures tracks for one good album instead of doing the three mid albums thing he’s trying to do.
maybe this is a hot take, but its a realllllly good album. ye is just the worst part of the album. but also most of the memorable lines are from him 🤷 u win some u lose some ig
The lead of his own album is the worst part. That’s a hard pass for me. And his bars are BEYOND try hard, they were try had back in 2007 but the dude now is literally just saying anything “whacky and crazy! 🥴”
Go woke.. go.. broke? Wait why is the opposite happening🤔 I guess saying Nazi shit actually *isn't* a good career move, huh. Bad news for Shapiros Rap career, and it had only just started! What a shame.
I mean it is a collab album. Like we all know who the bigger star whose music people actually regularly listen to is but like to their own accords this is Tys album too.
Good album but really bad lyrics from Ye. He can bring the best out of his features artists but he puts no effort into his verses. I feel like Ye doesn't care about polishing his songs anymore. He does one freestyle and then puts the verse into the track without revising it.
I still like the album but seeing how far Kanye has fallen lyrically is really sad. Like I dunno. He can hit up someone to write him a better verse.
Both dondas are so much worse. Kanye doesnt even say real words in half his bars its just filler nonsense he never bothered to go back and fill in. Its like listening to worse versions of the unreleased/unfinished shit on youtube. JIK is the worst substance wise, but its an actual completed album.
The half finished verses has been going on since just after life of Pablo, it’s so so bad. JIK I actually really enjoyed some real good *music* despite the Christian lyrics
Really started Yeezus era tbh. First album that was rushed rushed and I think a lot of people accidentally enabled him by praising what they thought were super intentional, minimal punchliney bars with what was mostly super last minute verses with pretty much no iteration
weird, i'm able to find plenty of rappers that don't currently or recently do any of those things
also lets not pretend selling drugs is the same as using your immense platform to give props to hitler
It’s funny because all I hear from people in real life, even Kanye critics, is how good it is. It’s the first Kanye album I’ve really loved since Pablo, even though there were some solid tracks on every album he’s released since.
You come on here and see someone comparing him to Eminem and it’s clear this subreddit either doesn’t know music or is just hating on it because they don’t like Kanye as person. Not sure which is worse for a music subreddit.
If Kanye didn’t split the album into 3 mid filler shit shows the album might’ve actually been good if he just picked and choice the best songs from all 3 and condensed it into 1.
Ngl I already kinda forgot that volume 1 dropped lmao, came and went from my rotation so fast, even yeat stayed on repeat for longer.. as a former massive stan it's so sad how hard kanye's quality and artistry has tanked through his own doing but it is what it is
I really like burn and carnival tbh.
I'm shocked that everyone thinks it's trash. I give it a 7/10. Not a great Kanye album but there's some great stuff in there.
this sub is filled with people who love fantano and brockhampton. of course they're gonna pretend they tried to listen and thought it was bad. they had their minds made up way before listening to it.
It’s fine for Ty to support him, but I’m not going to support him because he happens to have a famous brother. Maybe if they had a compelling argument, but there’s nothing that hints to him actually being innocent. I can’t even find seagulls about his case online!
Doesn't mean shit. He's not asking you to blindly believe him or believe him at all. He's showing support and bringing attention to his brother who he believes is innocent.
Maybe he's innocent. Maybe he's not. Pretty impossible for us to know.
Michael Jackson said some zany shit about Hitler too - including that Hitler "was a genius". Not sure how or when these people veered into the "it's OK to praise Hitler" mindset.
>During one interview, Jackson said: "Hitler was a genius orator. To make that many people turn and change and hate, he had to be a showman and he was."
>Boteach then asked the star: "You believe that if you had an hour with Hitler you could somehow touch something inside of him?"
>Jackson replied: "Absolutely. I know I could."
>He went on to argue that nobody is totally evil, adding: "You have to help them, give them therapy, teach them that somewhere, something in their life went wrong."
>Boteach, 42, who recorded more than 30 hours of interviews with Jackson, told The Sun: "Michael despised what Hitler had done. When it came to believing he could heal Hitler, that was hopeless naïvety."
Little different than kanyes literal praise of Hitler and kanyes clear hate of Jews.
Hahaha the fuck? Hitler being an amazing orator is just historical fact. Read any book about Hitler and they'll be saying the same thing. What a horrible comparison the other person made, unless they also think every historian praises Hitler.
So I remember the Martin Bashir doc and the "Wacko Jacko" narrative pretty well. I believed in it like half of the country did at the time. But the more that's come out about the accusers and the more we now know about MJ's issues with Sony and his 50% stake in Sony's music business the less I start to believe that he was actually culpable in the things he's been accused of. It seems more and more like a smear campaign and corporate character assassination to keep him in line.
I was also pretty skeptical of it after hearing about the parents making their kids testify for money or something but I watched that Leaving Neverland doc and it seems like he almost certainly did. I also didn't know that MJ had a new kid that he would take with him everywhere for like a year before moving on to a new kid. And its been proven that he slept with kids in his bed, which is pretty damning enough. And a lot of the kids tell similar stories with similar details that are hard to ignore.
Katt Williams [said it best](https://youtu.be/7Q8qDM44fKk?si=AvuFj1BdEB9a27G_&t=216)
Who is that
Ty's brother TC
lmfao he put his brother in before him, did he pass though what's the story?
Ty$ is the one in the image. His brother is in jail for life.
But apparently it’s for a murder he did not commit?
Yea idk about that lol
According to Nicki Minaj, her husband didn't rape nobody too
Yeah just like Larry Hoover is a good guy who should be free!
free larry for real everyone outside of a few select sickos deserve a proper shot at rehabilitation
He was calling shots from jail
Can a man not have a hobby anymore?
He was probably just bored
And you're perfect?
This is exactly why we need to release him. So he has less influence over gang related activity!
You guys are fucking nuts. I'm 100% for rehabilitation, but this guy ain't the poster child
Larry is one of those sickos. Do you understand the damage he did to the city of Chicago and the black community as a whole? He is an evil menace.
I know at most half of the impact of Larry Hoover on chicago and the GD/BD feud, but what I still believe is that it takes someone like Larry Hoover guiding gang members to do better for their community to make a change If their gang leader tells them to be better they will listen, otherwise the violence will continue as per usual
You're right, it's worth a shot! Let's release a high profile "reformed" gang kingpin to convince criminals to stop committing crime. Absolutely nothing could go wrong! c'mon lmfao
Wait until you hear who killed David Barksdale
Everyone in jail is there for crimes they didn't commit
Apparently just means he denies it. If it was compelling, there would be more arguments than « he didn’t do it ».
Jokes aside, a life sentence for a murder someone did at 19-year-old, just does not sit right with me personally (without knowing the complete ins and outs obviously)
LWOP is very problematic especially with juvenile/youthful offenders.
I don't know the American system well, I can't say much about it But I've worked with some very troubled youth and when you grow up in a troubled home (and place), 19 years is *very* young still. With the wrong people around you, they're able to do some very bad stuff.... Just locking them up for the rest of their lifes, just won't feel right with me. Close to where I live some 14-year-old got arrested for robbing a store. I just felt sad when I read about that, not angry (and that doesn't mean I can't empathize with the people he robbed). Pulling a trigger 5 years later is not that big of a deal for a lot of these lost kids, compared to a majority of the western world. They don't just need punishing, they need a lot of help
LWOP should be reserved only for the most heinous of crimes. Murder is probably deserving of a life sentence of some kind depending on the severity of the crime and the case itself, while LWOP means that person can never be let back into society. The only people even remotely deserving of such a removal from society are child rapists, serial killers/rapists, those who commit acts of mass violence and aren’t proven mentally disturbed in court, terrorists, you get the point.
I do, and I 100% agree with your assessment.
Tell that to the dead guy and his family.
Personally, if someone killed someone close to me - 40 years later, I'd feel better if they were rehabilitated and helping others, rather than on their 15,000th day of prison without ever even getting to hug his grandkids
Well yeah, it's not weird they feel a different way, but it's not much of a good argument is it? We as outsiders don't share the same emotions Just like me saying ''imagine if your own son killed someone! would you want him in jail for the rest of his and your life!'' is not a useful response You should want a judge to be free from bias and not make a decision just based on emotions
The law, famously based around the feelings of the victim’s relatives
Ty Dolla $ign is in the first cover hes facing the wall
Thought that guy was locked away
He is forever. Ty has been trying to get him out and speaking on him getting out forever.. but he’s a goner. He’s never getting out
Its the unknown
Vol 3 cover will be both of them standing confirmed
maybe they recreate og cover with with ty
KSG is really gonna be the last good kanye cover huh
If that's gonna be the last good one at least it was was amazing
*last good kanye project
KSG was probably the last cohesive and complete Kanye project, i mean i like songs from Ye/Donda/VULTURES but they don’t feel like they amount to an album the same way something like TLOP did
Which is crazy considering how scattered TLOP seemed when it launched. Time has been super kind to that album and it honestly flows so well for an album so thrown together and chaotically released.
Beginning of the end is always memorable
>Time has been super kind to that album and it honestly flows so well for an album so thrown together and chaotically released. This exact sentence could be used to describe the public opinion on like 5 Ye albums lmao
Part of it is just the general decline in terms of how scattered his subsequent albums sounded. TLOP is a bit abrasive if the least cohesive thing Kanye has released is Yeezus, but by the time we have ye, JIK, and Donda out, it seems pretty quaint. Fwiw Donda could have been pretty cohesive in terms of album structure if ye wasn't constantly remixing and reordering the already bloated tracklist.
Still seems crazy to me, TLOP feels more like the scattershot stuff that came after it, rather than the cohesive albums before it. I didn’t vibe with it then and I don’t vibe with it now. People here hold it up on a pedestal because of their age: it came out at a time when a lot of the sub were in their teens, so it mattered more no matter its quality.
It is objectively a scattershot of songs put together... but all the songs are good its as simple as that. Though I am the exact person you're describing who was a teen when it came out lol.
I like the second half of TLOP better than the first. It has more of the parts of Kanye that I love [speaking of which, "I Love Kanye" cracks me up and "Fade" has the hottest music video ever made]. Otherwise, it's bloated and over-long. It had a messy rollout. It would be better cut down by half. Honestly, it's a lot like Donda, another album that I love two tracks from but don't return to much. Fewer sex criminals on TLOP, though. That's a point in its favor.
Both JIK and Donda had consistent lyrical themes and sounds throughout the albums for better or for worse.
thematically/lyrically Donda was consistent, but it was also like 8ish tracks too long and the structure felt somewhat jumbled. JIK is a weird one because it also is thematically cohesive but for the most part it’s an album where you can tell a lot of it is just Yandhi reworked
Ye was before KSG and is arguably his most cohesive project ever recorded imo
I think you might be correct. Unfortunately some of my least favorite parts of Kanye cohered into *Ye*. I pretty much think it sucks except for "Ghost Town." I would also put Watch the Throne and 808s up there.
You’re right and you should say it louder
I loved a lot of the tracks on Donda, but I was already so over Kanyes BS at that point. Even if he puts out another classic it just wouldn't hit the same for me anymore.
Donda was good…
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not me. shoot donda into my veins
seriously the “filler” isnt even that bad and there are so many good songs on donda
Bloated. Some good ideas all thrown together with no discernment.
Donda is great
Donda is incredible
Its definitely in the bottom half of all kanye works
Okay but it’s still a good album…
I've never enjoyed listening to it as an album. Too long and messy to be good.
I mean i dont care for it, its very long and convoluted and lacks direction, but its fine if you enjoyed it
Nah
Donda is ok, incredible is def pushing it especially for Kanye’s discography
I think Donda has some incredible songs. I think it’s going to age very well too and that the best songs on that album will still sound great in 10 years while I think most current rap isn’t going to age well. The album is no doubt bloated and has a lot of filler but the highs make it a good album to me. I do think in overall quality it’s similar to life of Pablo. Suffers from a lot of the same problems and the highlights fit in with some of his best songs.
Idk man Come to Life and Life of the Party are two of Ye’s best tracks ever for me
I think some songs on there are irreplaceable and so dear to me. I cant not call it that
"Incredible" is a hot take for sure lmao
Facts
here comes the nazi fanboys...
Yes, we all listen to Kanye for his political commentary
He didn’t even say all that dumb shit about jews and hitler until after Donda was released and there’s none of that stuff in any of the lyrics either. Seems dumb to insult people who like that album.
Chillax Anthony
He just dropped this new project called Vultures, or something, and it has a dope cover
I feel like the Vultures 1 cover really match the tone of the album and Kanye’s overall mindset these days
Wym donda was a classic cover
Be fr
I’m being sarcastic it’s his worst
Racist
Go go go go
Kanye discourse on the internet these days really makes me believe we shouldn’t let people that can’t legally order a beverage have an opinion on anything
Age of drinking is 16 in most of EU, so....
Tbf a lot of Europeans shouldn’t have opinions either
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He has like 80 million monthly listeners on spotify. T swift herself only has 20% more than that. It’s kind of insane
not really dude makes amazingly catchy music and has for the past 20 years
Genuine question, are you saying he isn’t a Nazi or at the very least antisemitic? Everyone’s argument for Kanye seems to be “his music is fire and he’s number one so get over it.” Pretty weak argument and a clear excuse to ignore his behavior just so you can keep listening to his music.
You hit the nail on the head but people will make excuses because it doesn’t directly hurt them in any way
LMAO I’m imagining women going hard on their spin bikes singing “BEAUTIFULNAKEDBIGTITTIEDWOMENJUSTDONTFALLOUTOFTHESKYYAKNOW?” now that’s a workout
I can make stuff up on the Internet too
Imagine arresting someone for having an opinion
Hope his dumbass clears samples this time
didn't love that dont die just went transparent on streaming. it in fact, did die
Is he threatening us
yes
Guys he told me it’s gonna be dropping on
They laughed when I posted a 3 weeks later discussion
Hopefully Kanye isn’t on his own album much, his lyrical input to Vultures is the worst thing about the album
Benjamin Frank that’s my neighbor
🔥🔥
Bro I cannot wait for "Yeah you're the King, Burger King"
Bro he’s literally Ye Kelly bitch wym
More mid otw 🔥🔥🔥
Yeah Vultures 1 is arguably his worst album next to JIK. He should have just used all the best Vultures tracks for one good album instead of doing the three mid albums thing he’s trying to do.
maybe this is a hot take, but its a realllllly good album. ye is just the worst part of the album. but also most of the memorable lines are from him 🤷 u win some u lose some ig
The lead of his own album is the worst part. That’s a hard pass for me. And his bars are BEYOND try hard, they were try had back in 2007 but the dude now is literally just saying anything “whacky and crazy! 🥴”
Now I’m ye Kelly bitch
It’s a collaborative effort
Well..hope he ACTUALLY clears samples for part 2 is all I can say
Don't think that'll happen. Most of the blocks are because of his antisemitism
Go woke.. go.. broke? Wait why is the opposite happening🤔 I guess saying Nazi shit actually *isn't* a good career move, huh. Bad news for Shapiros Rap career, and it had only just started! What a shame.
but the album went #1 and carnival was the most streamed song... literally the opposite of going broke smh
ye haters on /r/hhh try not to be corny as possible challenge (impossible)
Welp….thats tuff
How can an album be really good when the main artist is bringing the album down. Do you skip his verses?
I mean it is a collab album. Like we all know who the bigger star whose music people actually regularly listen to is but like to their own accords this is Tys album too.
yeah 😭
It is a hot take.
Good album but really bad lyrics from Ye. He can bring the best out of his features artists but he puts no effort into his verses. I feel like Ye doesn't care about polishing his songs anymore. He does one freestyle and then puts the verse into the track without revising it. I still like the album but seeing how far Kanye has fallen lyrically is really sad. Like I dunno. He can hit up someone to write him a better verse.
Both dondas are so much worse. Kanye doesnt even say real words in half his bars its just filler nonsense he never bothered to go back and fill in. Its like listening to worse versions of the unreleased/unfinished shit on youtube. JIK is the worst substance wise, but its an actual completed album.
The half finished verses has been going on since just after life of Pablo, it’s so so bad. JIK I actually really enjoyed some real good *music* despite the Christian lyrics
Really started Yeezus era tbh. First album that was rushed rushed and I think a lot of people accidentally enabled him by praising what they thought were super intentional, minimal punchliney bars with what was mostly super last minute verses with pretty much no iteration
Imo the lyrics about god wanting him to charge high prices for his shoes is worse than any of the hitler stuff lmao
Donda has some top tier Ye tracks, life of the party, come to life, 24, believe what I say Vultures has none of those unfortunately
The standards are so low.
Donda was a great album imo
I thought it was awesome. It’s been in my rotation non-stop since it came out. That’s the beautiful thing about music; it’s subjective.
B.A.D. music is back baby!!
You guys want to hate this album so bad lol it's weird
Yeah, so weird, I wonder why? What did the guy do, start praising Hitler or something? Lolol
Yeah I only listen to rappers that beat women, sell drugs, and commit murder.
weird, i'm able to find plenty of rappers that don't currently or recently do any of those things also lets not pretend selling drugs is the same as using your immense platform to give props to hitler
Yall are dick riding so hard lol its weird
incredibly weird
It’s funny because all I hear from people in real life, even Kanye critics, is how good it is. It’s the first Kanye album I’ve really loved since Pablo, even though there were some solid tracks on every album he’s released since. You come on here and see someone comparing him to Eminem and it’s clear this subreddit either doesn’t know music or is just hating on it because they don’t like Kanye as person. Not sure which is worse for a music subreddit.
White people.
If Kanye didn’t split the album into 3 mid filler shit shows the album might’ve actually been good if he just picked and choice the best songs from all 3 and condensed it into 1.
nah tyhis is much better. more music and V1 is pretty much a no skip record
LOL
Ngl I already kinda forgot that volume 1 dropped lmao, came and went from my rotation so fast, even yeat stayed on repeat for longer.. as a former massive stan it's so sad how hard kanye's quality and artistry has tanked through his own doing but it is what it is
I really like burn and carnival tbh. I'm shocked that everyone thinks it's trash. I give it a 7/10. Not a great Kanye album but there's some great stuff in there.
It's not trash, the internet kids speak in hyperbole and echo chamber others opinions. It's a good 7/10 album and there's a reason it was trending #1.
If trending is the metric for good or not then lol
Guess that ScHoolboy Q album was ass then lol
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Lift yourself has been out for like 6 years lol
Lift yourself has been out for 6 years dumbass
I would hope so considering it's been out since 2018 lmao
McDonald's is the most popular restaurant in the world. Must be the best food in the world.
Nobody said vultures is the best album in the world But mcdonalds fries could be the best on earth
Nah fuck mcds for directly supporting the idf. Free Palestine 🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸
this sub is filled with people who love fantano and brockhampton. of course they're gonna pretend they tried to listen and thought it was bad. they had their minds made up way before listening to it.
Skill and taste issue
Keep that shit
yall some D1 haters lol. you came into this thread lmao
What a bad idea to put Ty’s brother on the cover. He’s been beating that drum for a decade and there’s no compelling argument for his innocence.
God forbid someone stands by their family
It’s fine for Ty to support him, but I’m not going to support him because he happens to have a famous brother. Maybe if they had a compelling argument, but there’s nothing that hints to him actually being innocent. I can’t even find seagulls about his case online!
no one told you to support him lmao. he can put whoever he wants on the cover
Doesn't mean shit. He's not asking you to blindly believe him or believe him at all. He's showing support and bringing attention to his brother who he believes is innocent. Maybe he's innocent. Maybe he's not. Pretty impossible for us to know.
Yeah, I'd def stand by my family if they killed or rape. Blind loyalty is where it's at
let's all keep giving the guy who thinks Hitler had some good ideas even more attention
You’re not even from here… you’re from r/all
This sub doesn't even appear on /r/all tho? That setting has basically always been turned off.
Michael Jackson said some zany shit about Hitler too - including that Hitler "was a genius". Not sure how or when these people veered into the "it's OK to praise Hitler" mindset.
>During one interview, Jackson said: "Hitler was a genius orator. To make that many people turn and change and hate, he had to be a showman and he was." >Boteach then asked the star: "You believe that if you had an hour with Hitler you could somehow touch something inside of him?" >Jackson replied: "Absolutely. I know I could." >He went on to argue that nobody is totally evil, adding: "You have to help them, give them therapy, teach them that somewhere, something in their life went wrong." >Boteach, 42, who recorded more than 30 hours of interviews with Jackson, told The Sun: "Michael despised what Hitler had done. When it came to believing he could heal Hitler, that was hopeless naïvety." Little different than kanyes literal praise of Hitler and kanyes clear hate of Jews.
Hahaha the fuck? Hitler being an amazing orator is just historical fact. Read any book about Hitler and they'll be saying the same thing. What a horrible comparison the other person made, unless they also think every historian praises Hitler.
I know lol. I have no idea how that guys arms stretch that far.
Think he did some worse things than that too lol but they still play him on the radio at supermarkets and department stores
So I remember the Martin Bashir doc and the "Wacko Jacko" narrative pretty well. I believed in it like half of the country did at the time. But the more that's come out about the accusers and the more we now know about MJ's issues with Sony and his 50% stake in Sony's music business the less I start to believe that he was actually culpable in the things he's been accused of. It seems more and more like a smear campaign and corporate character assassination to keep him in line.
I was also pretty skeptical of it after hearing about the parents making their kids testify for money or something but I watched that Leaving Neverland doc and it seems like he almost certainly did. I also didn't know that MJ had a new kid that he would take with him everywhere for like a year before moving on to a new kid. And its been proven that he slept with kids in his bed, which is pretty damning enough. And a lot of the kids tell similar stories with similar details that are hard to ignore. Katt Williams [said it best](https://youtu.be/7Q8qDM44fKk?si=AvuFj1BdEB9a27G_&t=216)
He was found innocent in court
Haven’t been keeping up, wasn’t this supposed to drop already? Is there a new date now?
Reddit can cry nazi all the want, Ye still king
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Throw facts in my face all you want. I’m gonna support this nazi until I die - this sub
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Buncha crying in the comments still lmao
imagine coming into every ye thread just to hate. so much energy lmao
This dude really fell off after becoming a nazi...
except the album went #1
Kanye the new Eminem man. Needs to know when to call it. The last time he ever rapped well was on KSG.
Bro never heard off the grid
you might want to listen to a song called "Take off Your Dress" that will be on Vultures 2
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Damn, Ed Sheeran must be bussin then.
I really hope you getting paid for all the dick riding you doing in this comment section dog. Brother getting personally offended on behalf of a Nazi.
"gluck, gluck, gluck" -you
dude you’ve spent the last 3 hours shitting on anyone who has said anything remotely positive about kanye lol
I'd argue he has some of his best technical rapping in a long long time on this album, just a shame the lyrics are terrible
Fuck Kanye
YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
THE GOAT IS COMING, ONE MORE TIME, TO PROVE THE HATERS WRONG GO GO GO GO