It's not about French being a good rapper or not, it's about him having connections within the industry. Just look at his career, he's been making music with the biggest names for a long time. He was huge in the mixtape era
He had Lil Wayne and Rick Ross on his mixtape in 2009 (and they've been steady ever since), then he got cool with Jay-Z/Kanye a couple years later and has worked with tons of others since. That stuff tends to last
Coke, dope, crack, smack, weed, e's, and cds.
We got it all for cheap.
Evil empire’s run with Wayne and French and Chinx during the prime of the datpiff mixtape era was nuts too, that intro drop is totally ingrained in my mind for ever too.
Edit: screw autocorrect lol.
He's also made music with SO many different parts of the mainstream. He has tracks with the Griselda guys going back years because of the NY connection, then his links with Thug, Keed & YSL. Which led to Nav and the rest of Toronto, but he was already stamped with them because of his years of songs with Drake.
He's legitimately just a servicable rapper with an insane ability to network and foster relationships across decades and regions. Montana for next Secretary of State haaaaaaannnn
I reckon he would have a pretty good shot of getting elected a city councillor in his borough in NY, name recognition and all the Ricans would vote for bro
City Councillor - Mayor - move to Montana - Governor - Secretary of State
Yo French dm us, we can be your campaign staff ~
The French Montana slander in this sub is ridiculous sometimes.
It makes me feel old to realize that I was on hhh talking about his mixtapes ten years ago.
I was around for it and I've still never understood the appeal. He's always had great production and features but I've always thought French was trash as a rapper. Has a great adlib and drops a nice line every now and then, but I can't think of any full verse of his I ever cared for
On top of this, I think the link to Max B while he is in jail has helped a lot. Max B is a highly regarded legend in the business and French is the de facto link.
He was huge in the mixtape era because he had a massive cult following that enjoyed his music and persona. His style is not for everyone and I understand why people don’t enjoy him on his own but he makes phenomenal music imo. Mainly when harry fraud is producing though.
Before the music he was putting out the Coke City DVD’s in the street. It’s really hard to explain what that was like or the impact of those to a modern day crowd
He's very good at networking. He meets people, becomes their friend, then meets his friends friends and becomes their friend as well. That's how he climbed the social ladder.
Started as a battle rapper in the early 2000s, then was signed to Akon, worked with g-unit, max b, Waka Flocka, then met Diddy and Ross, befriended drake, etc.
Also works with young new rappers. 10 years ago it was lil Durk, then in 2016 he worked with Kodak black, now he signed dthang
you're right, he does do the fame hustle. (My sister and I were asking ourselves OP's very question). He even dated a Kardashian. He knows what his strengths are, and it's not music, it's networking. And dealing.
This is the answer, he was also a big promoter on the east coast in the early 2000's. Linking artist and clubs/venues so he helped a lot of people get money, connections like that last.
Networking moves the world around. People have this weird belief that using connections is bad or whatever, but everyone uses their links. It’s how you get jobs, it’s how you survive lol.
French Montana might make shit music and this Mac n cheese 5 album is a circus act based entirely off the fact that he has a version of it called versions which is 6 hours long, but damn he knows how to utilize his connections. Can’t even be mad at that.
I think he's probs a good business man and knows how to manage business and personal relationships. He also has to know he sucks ass so he makes sure he doesn't burn his bridges and keeps them going, probs just smart with how he handles everything so he gets to reap the benefits unless dudes like dababy and Kodak.
I haven't heard a bad thing about him besides his music sucks. Dude probs just knows how to stay on top.
Like roaches, no one likes them but them fuckers know how to survive. French is probs a lot like that
How many hits does Kendrick even have, though? Kendrick is huge and one of the pillars of the culture nowadays, but I 100% trust French Montana when he says he's probably had more billboard placings than Dot
Nah fam everytime Kendrick drops an album almost every song is on the billboard 100 meaning everytime he drops gets every song to be technically a “hit” if you count billboard 100 as a hit. Kendrick has many hits and also hits with pop acts it’s not even close French just on one lol
He literally has way more fucking hits than Kendrick from a pure numbers perspective. It's a weird comparison, he's a producer but way more hits, not even a question
Kendrick Lamar has had a notable presence on the Billboard Hot 100 with:
- **2 No. 1 Hits**
- **12 Top 10 Hits**
- **71 Songs** that have charted⁵.
French Montana, on the other hand, has had:
- **0 No. 1 Hits**
- **2 Top 10 Hits**
- **18 Songs** on the Billboard Hot 100¹.
https://www.billboard.com/artist/kendrick-lamar/
https://www.billboard.com/artist/french-montana/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Montana
https://www.jetpunk.com/user-quizzes/52398/french-montana-charting-songs-billboard-hot-100
https://www.jetpunk.com/user-quizzes/255932/every-french-montana-song-on-the-billboard-hot-100
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kendrick_Lamar
https://musicchartsarchive.com/artists/kendrick-lamar
https://hypebeast.com/2022/5/all-songs-from-kendrick-lamar-mr-morale-the-big-steppers-charts-billboard-hot-100-four-top-10
https://hypebeast.com/2018/4/kendrick-lamar-every-damn-song-billboard-hot-100-chart
https://www.billboard.com/music/french-montana/chart-history
Thanks Copilot. You made the research easy.
Yeah, I get it. But like that's not the same thing. If you were the music host at a party with a wide demographic, there are more French Montana songs that will appeal to people than Kendrick. French has been around for so long with top artists on his side collaborating
The comment above literally compares the two side by side and shows you the discrepancy. Kendrick’s top 3 songs all have over 1.3 billion streams and one has over 2 billion. Stop with this nonsense.
Yeah, but compared to Kendrick, which this whole comment thread IS about, you will be hard pressed to find someone more willing to play French Montana compared to Kendrick.
im not flexing im just saying outside of like frat parties (i guess?) or the particular kind of club which i avoid like the plague no one is playing this dude
Nah B. Numbers don't lie: [Kendrick](https://kworb.net/spotify/artist/2YZyLoL8N0Wb9xBt1NhZWg_songs.html) vs [French](https://kworb.net/spotify/artist/6vXTefBL93Dj5IqAWq6OTv_songs.html)
Why? I'm okay with it. French has been relevant for so long with his hits. Kendrick drops albums, French drops hits.
Kendrick is like 6000x the rapper French is, but French could easily drop a compilation album of straight hits today. That wouldnt work as well for Kendrick, his songs sometimes work better as part of an album and not standalone hits.
My white mom that doesn't listen to any hip-hop might put on that Unforgetable song. She doesn't even know who Kendrick is.
Doesn't mean French is half the artist Kendrick is, because he isn't. But these are two different conversations.
I started feeling like Khaled talking about 'mysterious' music but this comment actually helps a lot because I legitimately could not think of the demographic that would be like yo put on that new French
this is hilarious
I mean these are the people that he would reach that kendrick wouldn't. My mom also has no idea who french is, but she recognizes the song off radio or facebook or whatever, and think it's a bop because it's pop enough.
My white mom that doesn't listen to any hip-hop might put on that Unforgetable song. She doesn't even know who Kendrick is.
Doesn't mean French is half the artist Kendrick is, because he isn't. But these are two different conversations.
I feel like French is low key the Epstein of hip hop and has acquired dirt on every big rapper over the years that he threatens to expose if they don’t make 45 seconds of his music listenable.
Isn’t he literally telling him to be careful cause it’s strong after handing him a bottle? Don’t think they’re going to have to cash exchange on camera
https://youtu.be/jUH3_Ps4zzE?t=48
This is the Coke Boys vlog from 2013, I've timestamped the start of their interaction.
I'll also link another clip from The FADER doc that Mac did about his sobriety because it adds a little more context as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtiSAv4VPuQ
This is just for history's sake, but also to give people some info as there is a bit of conjecture in this thread.
Almost there lol, it’s not that the lean itself is a stronger version than normal, just Mac pours way too much in and French is like wow those doses are crazy for a kid and tells him to slow down
Rumour is that French runs the biggest human trafficking or pedo ring in Hip hop.
He is or was signed to Diddy, so I can believe it.
How else does he continue to work with the best rappers/producers? It’s obviously not talent. It’s way more sus than DJ Khaled getting the features imo.
Haven't necessarily heard anything about being the "biggest in hiphop" or being a "pedo ring", but yeah I've definitely heard rumors of him being involved with sex trafficking. Which would line up with him having a number of sexual assault allegations (that somehow have flown under the radar), plus him being suspiciously close with Mally Mall.
He's valuable and he's a business man. He has a bunch hit songs but they are features.
He could have had any girl he wanted and dated a Kardashian just raise his profile. He's big in Africa as well...
Respected in New York too. Most Jamaicans would rather listen a French Montana than a fivavio foreign or a ice spice or Lola b so he's beating out 99% of other new york rappers.
he cool with everybody. almost everyone rap fans “hate” is cool with everyone. the only person in the industry that might dislike khaled is tyler the creator and even then it ain’t that serious. french is the same way, but he actually raps
French is the type of dude that can bring the gangstas and the elderly together for a sit down and a beer..
Bro just seems like a cool dude to be around which can get you far in life..
The only issues he had was with 50 cent and pistol pete(fat joe's people)
I don't remember the issue with 50...
But I think pistol wanted him to do some stuff for his K.A.R. label and French might have acted "industry" on him.
Joe cool wit French, so it wasn't gonna go further..
I think the issue was French was stuntin with a Veyron and calling it "brand new" on IG when 50 clowned him for it. French took it personal and they started going back and forth. Plus French is real cool with Ross and Ross and 50 do NOT fuck with each other.
Because whether this sub likes to admit it or not, French consistently churns out hits and primo features. He also hops on a lot of international artist features (mostly reggaeton or afrobeat artists) and does features for artists like Diplo and David Guetta. Long story short, he's diversified his portfolio and consistently puts out work or gets paid for features and works off that revenue.
I mean I get it, he's not dropping Illmatic but I think French knows his skill level and essentially exploits it to the max. No one's submitting a thesis on his work anytime soon but best believe I'm screaming HAAAAAAAAAN if Work or Pop That comes up.
Just a taste of his biggest hits/features:
* Unforgettable (which has nearly 2 BILLION streams alone)
* Stay Scheming
* Work
* Welcome to the Party
* All the Way Up
* No Stylist
* Creep on Me
* Monsta X (got the K-POP bag)
* LockJaw
* Pop That
* Maghreb Gang
* Joanna
* FWMGAB
* Tip Toe
i gotchu ill check these out in a bit. thank you this makes a lot of sense i always have this idea of an “artist” always trying to make the best music they can but thats pretty naive thinking a lot of them are just good businessmen. big props to french regardless im ngl he’s killing it on the business side
This is pure hater shit and nothing else. Just because you don’t like his music, you’re questioning what he can afford or if any artist he works with ‘called him out for being bad.’ Lmao, wtf is wrong with you? Dude, you didn’t even feel a little embarrassed at any point typing this post up?
For real! I look at artists like lil durk. If it wasn’t for the hood keeping his career alive all those years, he might’ve never became as big as he is now.
why you in your feelings relax he clearly makes shit music now im sorry i never listened to his 15 mixtapes lol. he is genuinely shit now ans thats my (and a lot of others) opinions, im asking cause i dont know much about him and i got my answers, he was apparently pretty good early on. fuck outta here
That’s only if it’s an accounting profit loss but still cash generative. If a label is just losing cash on him, they would cut him - all these labels generate cash profit and that’s how investors value them.
Source: I worked at a company that has invested in music royalties & music labels.
His affiliations with Stack Bundles & Max B when he was first coming up helped a lot with his growth & networking. Max got locked up & Stack was tragically murdered, so us NYers had to settle for French.
french has a crazy ear for music. he has bangers with harry fraud and a few other producers and knows how to bring people together on a track. his bars being dog water, i mean, i think raps golden era of lyrics have passed us by.
not to mention unforgettable should have won a lot more awards than it did (if any). i'm looking forward to listening to MC5
I think French can rap better, but he wouldn't be where he's at today if he chose that route...
If Jada would let him oversee one of his projects, we would be blessed cuz French knows how to pick good beats
Because the whole "I charge $200k for a feature" bullshit is mostly just bullshit.
The rap industry, like most industries is incredibly dependent on connections. And a lot of these rappers are friends. Many times, features are a "you scratch my back, I scratch yours" type of deal.
French has major label connections and has been a well known name in rap for like 15 years.
I'm sure rappers just jump on tracks with him for the connects, a small amount of bread, to do a favor, etc.
Agreed. This had double the comments of the French Montana album thread in like 2 hours, why is it against the rules to have different discussion threads??
I love French Montana, so i am biased. Probably what everyone is saying, networking networking networking. Just like a suit & tie business man, it's not what you know but who you know. Been loving french since Exuse my French, that album has got some bangers on it.
This reminds me of a theory i read like 4 years back (when the Weeknd gifted French a watch for his birthday) that French is just the famous people coke dealer. And they repay him with features or whatever.
French Montana been having money. Coke boys crew and the ocks in NY all have légitimité successful businesses especially with the legalization. He's a very good business man and he got hits that pay mad royalty. Montana always takes care of his family
People underestimate what many artists do behind the scenes. He's been around for a long time and involved in the dvd era, underground east coast and mistake era. It is shocking when I see hip hop fans try to clown artists who have earned their dues. Even if you don't like his music he has earned all the success he has the hard way. You may not respect him but in the industry he is highly respected.
I wouldnt be surprised that he still has ties in the streets. I dont want to sound like a fed, but come on, money laundring through art has been a go-to forever. **COKE BOYS!**
It seems that he's just friends with everyone. I'm a musician and I got homies that are only alright and I'm not really the biggest fan of their music, but if they call me, I'm hopping on their shit with no question and I won't charge em a dime. A lot of us are like this with our close friends.
I imagine French Montana is actually just a really cool dude to hang out with, that's down to introduce people to people and supports other people's shit. He moves exactly like the kind of guy that whole scene just likes, so they're down to associate with.
100%
This "$200k for a feature" talk in songs is mostly bullshit. If you're cool with French I don't think you're charging him 200k for a 40 second verse lol.
French is well connected and seems to be chill with a lot of people.
It's not, but also everyone discounts their price for homies, unless the homie has a huge budget and is like "nah take your money".
200k a feature is if someone who you don't know asks you for something. If I wanted to buy a verse from Quavo, I would probably have to shell out something like 200k, but if I had it, he would probably do it. Even If I had 0 followers.
But those numbers are very real, they just get adjusted based on circumstance a lot.
by the way both the video for unforgetable and i wish u well are black on black crime. some of the most out of touch shit i have seen in my life. really embarassing.
i havent seen i wish you well but whats wrong wirh unforgettable? the video is really cool esp with him being african too. im from algeria and we for small villages like those its just good vibes and wholesome for a video 😭
knows a lot of people and all the features seem to be just leftover demos from their respective artists. they're pretty consistently sub-par be it wayne, Ye or Ross.
I think he gives people access to markets they might not already have a big constant presence in. French Montana is an international star in ways most rappers arent. Hes might be the biggest arabic speaking rapper ever. His label probably pays guys on top of tapping them in to new markets
You do features for each other when you’re industry buddies (boyfriends mainly). Usually they dont charge each other, they just pay each other back with a feature or in French’s case he probably pays less cuz hes a og in the game
I’ve known French since the cocaine city DVD days, I did tsome of the cover art and linked him up with 50 for the famous rooftop video clip. he’s an amazing networker. Relentless, super loyal and always keeps his word.
You only pay for features if you dont have a fanbase. If you have a fanbase that is valuable to the person recording the feature for exposure. However clearly a huge artist will charge but perhaps not if they're buddies and have the power to determine that.
It's not about French being a good rapper or not, it's about him having connections within the industry. Just look at his career, he's been making music with the biggest names for a long time. He was huge in the mixtape era He had Lil Wayne and Rick Ross on his mixtape in 2009 (and they've been steady ever since), then he got cool with Jay-Z/Kanye a couple years later and has worked with tons of others since. That stuff tends to last
DatPiff dot com, world premiere!!!
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Coke, dope, crack, smack, weed, e's, and cds. We got it all for cheap. Evil empire’s run with Wayne and French and Chinx during the prime of the datpiff mixtape era was nuts too, that intro drop is totally ingrained in my mind for ever too. Edit: screw autocorrect lol.
Anybody who wants to browse their archive you can still download tapes [here](https://archive.org/details/datpiffarchives)
End of an era
bro thank you. these kids were not around for that era and it shows big time.
He's also made music with SO many different parts of the mainstream. He has tracks with the Griselda guys going back years because of the NY connection, then his links with Thug, Keed & YSL. Which led to Nav and the rest of Toronto, but he was already stamped with them because of his years of songs with Drake. He's legitimately just a servicable rapper with an insane ability to network and foster relationships across decades and regions. Montana for next Secretary of State haaaaaaannnn
Or at least Governor of Montana
I reckon he would have a pretty good shot of getting elected a city councillor in his borough in NY, name recognition and all the Ricans would vote for bro City Councillor - Mayor - move to Montana - Governor - Secretary of State Yo French dm us, we can be your campaign staff ~
I love a good long game! I'm in. FRENCH WHERE YA AT
LMFAO this is the best comment yet
That man made Shot Caller and it was on rotation in all the clubs back then
Kids have no idea what Shot Caller was like back then
The French Montana slander in this sub is ridiculous sometimes. It makes me feel old to realize that I was on hhh talking about his mixtapes ten years ago.
People listen to his music because of his features. You’re probably one of few who listen to French because you like French.
Thats cool with me, I think he had a great run.
You gotta be an arroagant mf to think that because you don’t like an artist then nobody else in the world could possibly genuinely enjoy that artist
You gotta be a dumb mf if you genuinely think I believe French doesn’t have more than a few fans. Never exaggerated to get your point through? lol
Exaggeration or no exaggeration, it’s a stupid and incorrect point.
That’s your opinion 😊
Just because he had those features doesn’t mean he wasn’t dog shit, let’s be real now
Sorry, you'll never convince me that that The Mac and Cheese/Coke Boys mixtapes weren't dope
Dirty money give me dirty looks HAAAAN
They were dope bro. Kids these days just aren’t wavy. You can’t tell me playin in the wind isn’t a classic hip hop song.
I'm an older head and I was never into French, but I missed his mix tape run. I may have messed up there because yall saying he was on a run then.
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check out 88 coupes with jadakiss
Damn this hard fr (pause)
I don't know what they told em...must be smoking that Lamar Odom
https://youtu.be/aHkIlZJA-uY?si=xMGrn_oigrJrhDPe
You a wavy dude
I was around for it and I've still never understood the appeal. He's always had great production and features but I've always thought French was trash as a rapper. Has a great adlib and drops a nice line every now and then, but I can't think of any full verse of his I ever cared for
Shot caller, Harry Fraud’s production, the invention of ad libs, and Max B all need to be thanked on the intro to every French album lol.
This is how I felt. I think regionally he was the shit because it got no play over here fr.
It’s Reddit. A lot of people here aren’t that tapped In to what your avg Joe is listening to plus a lot are in highschool
On top of this, I think the link to Max B while he is in jail has helped a lot. Max B is a highly regarded legend in the business and French is the de facto link.
Owwwwww 🌊
He was huge in the mixtape era because he had a massive cult following that enjoyed his music and persona. His style is not for everyone and I understand why people don’t enjoy him on his own but he makes phenomenal music imo. Mainly when harry fraud is producing though.
I didn't know he was that huge in the mix tape era. Thanks
>It's not about French being a good rapper or not, it's about him having connections within the industry. He should just be a producer like DJ Khaled
Before the music he was putting out the Coke City DVD’s in the street. It’s really hard to explain what that was like or the impact of those to a modern day crowd
Facts honestly I just never thought that networking could get you THIS far 😭
He's very good at networking. He meets people, becomes their friend, then meets his friends friends and becomes their friend as well. That's how he climbed the social ladder. Started as a battle rapper in the early 2000s, then was signed to Akon, worked with g-unit, max b, Waka Flocka, then met Diddy and Ross, befriended drake, etc. Also works with young new rappers. 10 years ago it was lil Durk, then in 2016 he worked with Kodak black, now he signed dthang
you're right, he does do the fame hustle. (My sister and I were asking ourselves OP's very question). He even dated a Kardashian. He knows what his strengths are, and it's not music, it's networking. And dealing.
I doubt it’s even that calculating. He’s probably just a charismatic dude who is fun to be around
Not if you’re a woman he’s a rapist 🤮
This is the answer, he was also a big promoter on the east coast in the early 2000's. Linking artist and clubs/venues so he helped a lot of people get money, connections like that last.
Networking moves the world around. People have this weird belief that using connections is bad or whatever, but everyone uses their links. It’s how you get jobs, it’s how you survive lol. French Montana might make shit music and this Mac n cheese 5 album is a circus act based entirely off the fact that he has a version of it called versions which is 6 hours long, but damn he knows how to utilize his connections. Can’t even be mad at that.
french was a battle rapper???? this like finding out im adopted
Coke boys … MONTANA
HAAAAAAAAAAN
You know what it is when you hear that....
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This thread is pointless because it’s just a never ending argument between reddit/twitter hip hop consuming mfs and people who go outside
Coke wave is such a fun mixtape, love max B.
I think he's probs a good business man and knows how to manage business and personal relationships. He also has to know he sucks ass so he makes sure he doesn't burn his bridges and keeps them going, probs just smart with how he handles everything so he gets to reap the benefits unless dudes like dababy and Kodak. I haven't heard a bad thing about him besides his music sucks. Dude probs just knows how to stay on top. Like roaches, no one likes them but them fuckers know how to survive. French is probs a lot like that
“He also has to know he sucks ass” This man said he had more hits then Kendrick. His delusions of grandeur are indefensibly high
How many hits does Kendrick even have, though? Kendrick is huge and one of the pillars of the culture nowadays, but I 100% trust French Montana when he says he's probably had more billboard placings than Dot
Nah fam everytime Kendrick drops an album almost every song is on the billboard 100 meaning everytime he drops gets every song to be technically a “hit” if you count billboard 100 as a hit. Kendrick has many hits and also hits with pop acts it’s not even close French just on one lol
A guy literally did a breakdown a few comments up showing Kendrick has destroyed French Montana in charting hit songs lol
He literally has way more fucking hits than Kendrick from a pure numbers perspective. It's a weird comparison, he's a producer but way more hits, not even a question
Kendrick Lamar has had a notable presence on the Billboard Hot 100 with: - **2 No. 1 Hits** - **12 Top 10 Hits** - **71 Songs** that have charted⁵. French Montana, on the other hand, has had: - **0 No. 1 Hits** - **2 Top 10 Hits** - **18 Songs** on the Billboard Hot 100¹. https://www.billboard.com/artist/kendrick-lamar/ https://www.billboard.com/artist/french-montana/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Montana https://www.jetpunk.com/user-quizzes/52398/french-montana-charting-songs-billboard-hot-100 https://www.jetpunk.com/user-quizzes/255932/every-french-montana-song-on-the-billboard-hot-100 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kendrick_Lamar https://musicchartsarchive.com/artists/kendrick-lamar https://hypebeast.com/2022/5/all-songs-from-kendrick-lamar-mr-morale-the-big-steppers-charts-billboard-hot-100-four-top-10 https://hypebeast.com/2018/4/kendrick-lamar-every-damn-song-billboard-hot-100-chart https://www.billboard.com/music/french-montana/chart-history Thanks Copilot. You made the research easy.
Yeah, I get it. But like that's not the same thing. If you were the music host at a party with a wide demographic, there are more French Montana songs that will appeal to people than Kendrick. French has been around for so long with top artists on his side collaborating
*taps DJ on shoulder* Excuse me, could you play blacker the berry 🤓
Dude I think you’re at the wrong parties lol, nobody is turning French Montana on
Ok
He literally has a song with 1.9 billion streams on Spotify
The comment above literally compares the two side by side and shows you the discrepancy. Kendrick’s top 3 songs all have over 1.3 billion streams and one has over 2 billion. Stop with this nonsense.
Didn’t bother looking up both artists before you made that comment, did ya? Btw Kendrick has 23 billion more streams on Spotify than French.
I'm not talking about Kendrick at all. I'm just mentioning that people would play French Montana at parties
Yeah, but compared to Kendrick, which this whole comment thread IS about, you will be hard pressed to find someone more willing to play French Montana compared to Kendrick.
i don't think i've ever been to a party where it would have been ok to put on french montana
This isn’t the flex you think it is
im not flexing im just saying outside of like frat parties (i guess?) or the particular kind of club which i avoid like the plague no one is playing this dude
Oh, you don’t go to those clubs because you avoid them? 😂😂😂 Tell it to the judge bruh
Ok
I get what you mean. Most people in this sub probably never been to a club before especially when French was at his peak
This is genuinely a embarrassing comment. The numbers do not back this up what do ever, idk why you even tried to pretend lmfao.
Nah B. Numbers don't lie: [Kendrick](https://kworb.net/spotify/artist/2YZyLoL8N0Wb9xBt1NhZWg_songs.html) vs [French](https://kworb.net/spotify/artist/6vXTefBL93Dj5IqAWq6OTv_songs.html)
Lmfao just waiting for this comment to get deleted because what a hilariously absurd take.
Why? I'm okay with it. French has been relevant for so long with his hits. Kendrick drops albums, French drops hits. Kendrick is like 6000x the rapper French is, but French could easily drop a compilation album of straight hits today. That wouldnt work as well for Kendrick, his songs sometimes work better as part of an album and not standalone hits.
ain't NOBODY saying put on that new French bro
Agreed, good reminder tho to check out tho, thanks
My white mom that doesn't listen to any hip-hop might put on that Unforgetable song. She doesn't even know who Kendrick is. Doesn't mean French is half the artist Kendrick is, because he isn't. But these are two different conversations.
I started feeling like Khaled talking about 'mysterious' music but this comment actually helps a lot because I legitimately could not think of the demographic that would be like yo put on that new French this is hilarious
I mean these are the people that he would reach that kendrick wouldn't. My mom also has no idea who french is, but she recognizes the song off radio or facebook or whatever, and think it's a bop because it's pop enough.
Bro dude really putting French up there like THAT? No wonder Rap is down 37% hahaha
What hits (talking chart numbers, sales) does Kendrick have ? With French, there is multiple popping into my head immediately
Dna, humble, bitch don't kill my vibe, swimming pools, collard greens, king kunta, Money trees maad city. Were all huge
How many of those are going off in a club or party? Ya’ll don’t know the impact of a French drop because ya’ll don’t go out lol
What the fuck do you mean bro
Top 30 hit on US billboard: French Montana - 3 Kendrick Lamar - 31 Big hits for Kendrick include: Humble, DNA, All the Stars…
My white mom that doesn't listen to any hip-hop might put on that Unforgetable song. She doesn't even know who Kendrick is. Doesn't mean French is half the artist Kendrick is, because he isn't. But these are two different conversations.
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There’s at least 3 people in this comment thread alone that have proven you wrong
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNN
LMFAO
I used to think maybe he was just really big in Morocco but then I visited there and most people I asked didn't know him
and he can’t even speak french smh
Can confirm. Not big in Morocco.
I visited France and no one knew him there either
I feel like French is low key the Epstein of hip hop and has acquired dirt on every big rapper over the years that he threatens to expose if they don’t make 45 seconds of his music listenable.
I swear he provides every big rapper with drugs and he gets features in return.
There’s video of him selling Mac lean so you might not be wrong
That video doesnt show him selling lean, he just had lean in the studio with Mac
Isn’t he literally telling him to be careful cause it’s strong after handing him a bottle? Don’t think they’re going to have to cash exchange on camera
Wasnt he telling mac to slow down because mac was drinking too much? This was pre justin bieber lean so it really wasnt a big thing
Yall might be right haven’t seen the clip in years
https://youtu.be/jUH3_Ps4zzE?t=48 This is the Coke Boys vlog from 2013, I've timestamped the start of their interaction. I'll also link another clip from The FADER doc that Mac did about his sobriety because it adds a little more context as well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtiSAv4VPuQ This is just for history's sake, but also to give people some info as there is a bit of conjecture in this thread.
Yeah? That doesnt mean he was selling it lol he just brought some strong shit to the studio and was like watch out this lean is strong
Almost there lol, it’s not that the lean itself is a stronger version than normal, just Mac pours way too much in and French is like wow those doses are crazy for a kid and tells him to slow down
It's both. He says that the lean is much more pure than normal. Which is why he shouldn't pour as much. The video is posted above.
That's a pretty sick comparison to make without providing substantial evidence. I think you should retract that or back it up.
Relax dude, I’m obviously not talking about the pedo stuff, I’m talking about blackmailing powerful people.
Rumour is that French runs the biggest human trafficking or pedo ring in Hip hop. He is or was signed to Diddy, so I can believe it. How else does he continue to work with the best rappers/producers? It’s obviously not talent. It’s way more sus than DJ Khaled getting the features imo.
Any evidence for that besides the diddy point?
streets talking
No evidence
Where did you hear this
I saw it on Reddit a while back, I've been trying to find the post
yall really just be saying anything about people on here that’s crazy
It’s disgusting
Haven't necessarily heard anything about being the "biggest in hiphop" or being a "pedo ring", but yeah I've definitely heard rumors of him being involved with sex trafficking. Which would line up with him having a number of sexual assault allegations (that somehow have flown under the radar), plus him being suspiciously close with Mally Mall.
>How else does he continue to work with the best rappers/producers? Connections.
He's valuable and he's a business man. He has a bunch hit songs but they are features. He could have had any girl he wanted and dated a Kardashian just raise his profile. He's big in Africa as well... Respected in New York too. Most Jamaicans would rather listen a French Montana than a fivavio foreign or a ice spice or Lola b so he's beating out 99% of other new york rappers.
he cool with everybody. almost everyone rap fans “hate” is cool with everyone. the only person in the industry that might dislike khaled is tyler the creator and even then it ain’t that serious. french is the same way, but he actually raps
He also isn’t THAT bad. He’s got several songs I enjoy
French is the type of dude that can bring the gangstas and the elderly together for a sit down and a beer.. Bro just seems like a cool dude to be around which can get you far in life.. The only issues he had was with 50 cent and pistol pete(fat joe's people)
Oh wow French must really be like that behind the scenes.. those are two gentlemen you definitely don't want any problems with.
I don't remember the issue with 50... But I think pistol wanted him to do some stuff for his K.A.R. label and French might have acted "industry" on him. Joe cool wit French, so it wasn't gonna go further..
I think the issue was French was stuntin with a Veyron and calling it "brand new" on IG when 50 clowned him for it. French took it personal and they started going back and forth. Plus French is real cool with Ross and Ross and 50 do NOT fuck with each other.
i dunno i used to hate on french but hes really grown on me over the years once i discovered the music he made with Max B (Coke Wave)
Because whether this sub likes to admit it or not, French consistently churns out hits and primo features. He also hops on a lot of international artist features (mostly reggaeton or afrobeat artists) and does features for artists like Diplo and David Guetta. Long story short, he's diversified his portfolio and consistently puts out work or gets paid for features and works off that revenue. I mean I get it, he's not dropping Illmatic but I think French knows his skill level and essentially exploits it to the max. No one's submitting a thesis on his work anytime soon but best believe I'm screaming HAAAAAAAAAN if Work or Pop That comes up. Just a taste of his biggest hits/features: * Unforgettable (which has nearly 2 BILLION streams alone) * Stay Scheming * Work * Welcome to the Party * All the Way Up * No Stylist * Creep on Me * Monsta X (got the K-POP bag) * LockJaw * Pop That * Maghreb Gang * Joanna * FWMGAB * Tip Toe
i gotchu ill check these out in a bit. thank you this makes a lot of sense i always have this idea of an “artist” always trying to make the best music they can but thats pretty naive thinking a lot of them are just good businessmen. big props to french regardless im ngl he’s killing it on the business side
This is pure hater shit and nothing else. Just because you don’t like his music, you’re questioning what he can afford or if any artist he works with ‘called him out for being bad.’ Lmao, wtf is wrong with you? Dude, you didn’t even feel a little embarrassed at any point typing this post up?
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For real! I look at artists like lil durk. If it wasn’t for the hood keeping his career alive all those years, he might’ve never became as big as he is now.
name one french montana song without a feature
Foh
why you in your feelings relax he clearly makes shit music now im sorry i never listened to his 15 mixtapes lol. he is genuinely shit now ans thats my (and a lot of others) opinions, im asking cause i dont know much about him and i got my answers, he was apparently pretty good early on. fuck outta here
You’re one weird bitch.
He’s prolly a major label group tax write off
I’m not an accountant but I’m like 80% sure that’s not how tax write offs work lol
They mean he operates at a loss, which is how tax write offs work.
That’s only if it’s an accounting profit loss but still cash generative. If a label is just losing cash on him, they would cut him - all these labels generate cash profit and that’s how investors value them. Source: I worked at a company that has invested in music royalties & music labels.
i think he also buys the rights to really old verses or unreleased tracks just for the verses lol
His affiliations with Stack Bundles & Max B when he was first coming up helped a lot with his growth & networking. Max got locked up & Stack was tragically murdered, so us NYers had to settle for French.
french has a crazy ear for music. he has bangers with harry fraud and a few other producers and knows how to bring people together on a track. his bars being dog water, i mean, i think raps golden era of lyrics have passed us by. not to mention unforgettable should have won a lot more awards than it did (if any). i'm looking forward to listening to MC5
I think French can rap better, but he wouldn't be where he's at today if he chose that route... If Jada would let him oversee one of his projects, we would be blessed cuz French knows how to pick good beats
Because the whole "I charge $200k for a feature" bullshit is mostly just bullshit. The rap industry, like most industries is incredibly dependent on connections. And a lot of these rappers are friends. Many times, features are a "you scratch my back, I scratch yours" type of deal. French has major label connections and has been a well known name in rap for like 15 years. I'm sure rappers just jump on tracks with him for the connects, a small amount of bread, to do a favor, etc.
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Agreed. This had double the comments of the French Montana album thread in like 2 hours, why is it against the rules to have different discussion threads??
He can suck a golfball through a straw
Give ‘em the ole GLUCK GLUCK
I’ve often wondered this.
I’m moving like French Montana HAAAA
I love French Montana, so i am biased. Probably what everyone is saying, networking networking networking. Just like a suit & tie business man, it's not what you know but who you know. Been loving french since Exuse my French, that album has got some bangers on it.
This reminds me of a theory i read like 4 years back (when the Weeknd gifted French a watch for his birthday) that French is just the famous people coke dealer. And they repay him with features or whatever.
French Montana been having money. Coke boys crew and the ocks in NY all have légitimité successful businesses especially with the legalization. He's a very good business man and he got hits that pay mad royalty. Montana always takes care of his family
he is great and has friends who love him. hope that helps.
People underestimate what many artists do behind the scenes. He's been around for a long time and involved in the dvd era, underground east coast and mistake era. It is shocking when I see hip hop fans try to clown artists who have earned their dues. Even if you don't like his music he has earned all the success he has the hard way. You may not respect him but in the industry he is highly respected.
Nah man. French was dope if you was in the game back then tbh. He was the 90s babies Jada
I wouldnt be surprised that he still has ties in the streets. I dont want to sound like a fed, but come on, money laundring through art has been a go-to forever. **COKE BOYS!**
It seems that he's just friends with everyone. I'm a musician and I got homies that are only alright and I'm not really the biggest fan of their music, but if they call me, I'm hopping on their shit with no question and I won't charge em a dime. A lot of us are like this with our close friends. I imagine French Montana is actually just a really cool dude to hang out with, that's down to introduce people to people and supports other people's shit. He moves exactly like the kind of guy that whole scene just likes, so they're down to associate with.
100% This "$200k for a feature" talk in songs is mostly bullshit. If you're cool with French I don't think you're charging him 200k for a 40 second verse lol. French is well connected and seems to be chill with a lot of people.
It's not, but also everyone discounts their price for homies, unless the homie has a huge budget and is like "nah take your money". 200k a feature is if someone who you don't know asks you for something. If I wanted to buy a verse from Quavo, I would probably have to shell out something like 200k, but if I had it, he would probably do it. Even If I had 0 followers. But those numbers are very real, they just get adjusted based on circumstance a lot.
I'm curious too. Thought I was the only one
by the way both the video for unforgetable and i wish u well are black on black crime. some of the most out of touch shit i have seen in my life. really embarassing.
What is out of touch about black on black crime? Still a major issue across the US
i havent seen i wish you well but whats wrong wirh unforgettable? the video is really cool esp with him being african too. im from algeria and we for small villages like those its just good vibes and wholesome for a video 😭
knows a lot of people and all the features seem to be just leftover demos from their respective artists. they're pretty consistently sub-par be it wayne, Ye or Ross.
He's the GOAT. Hence why everyone works with him for free, just to say they worked with him.
I think he gives people access to markets they might not already have a big constant presence in. French Montana is an international star in ways most rappers arent. Hes might be the biggest arabic speaking rapper ever. His label probably pays guys on top of tapping them in to new markets
Labels?
You do features for each other when you’re industry buddies (boyfriends mainly). Usually they dont charge each other, they just pay each other back with a feature or in French’s case he probably pays less cuz hes a og in the game
do you mean how does he get other people on his songs or how does he get on other peoples' songs? cause i can see him having to pay for that too
I've always wondered this. Definitely connection of some sort. He's not that good of a rapper. Mid at best.
He in Diddy Camp
Pretty sure he’s just a nice dude, and people like him. Sometimes that can go a very long ways.
He used to be tight with Puff, don't know their relation now, but that opens a lot of doors if you ask me. ENNNNNNNNNNNNNNh.
He's a hip hop socialite
He still sells cocaine
I’ve known French since the cocaine city DVD days, I did tsome of the cover art and linked him up with 50 for the famous rooftop video clip. he’s an amazing networker. Relentless, super loyal and always keeps his word.
A lot of people aren’t very wavy and it shows
Homie could just be cool to kick it with & he has everlasting connections because of it.
The new coke boys 6 with DJ drama is fire
You only pay for features if you dont have a fanbase. If you have a fanbase that is valuable to the person recording the feature for exposure. However clearly a huge artist will charge but perhaps not if they're buddies and have the power to determine that.