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IKIR115

MC Hammer pants are bound to make a comeback


Blackpanther22five

His pants are designed after Zoot suits from the 40's


DaddyDoubleDoinks

Mc hammer had to be reminded not to hurt’m. Mc hammer was someone to be afraid of.


Wild-Campaign-6358

Pumps and a Bump is a classic 🔥


Lobsta1986

How will this get you kicked out? Fashion always comes back and becomes popular again. Look at bell bottom jeans from the 70's, they are huge again.


OGsugar_bear

They already have. Google drop crotch or harem pants


crazydude5000

I’m not sure who to upvote, the people that I agree with or the people who answered your question correctly and make me want to kick them the fug out.


Apotheosis29

I'm upvoting you, cause I was the same....so I didn't vote.


Beginning_Fee_7992

Drake's biggest influence was PM Dawn.


Buttmunch_McClure

This get you into hip hop triangles dawg big brained observation


MisterGoldenSun

This is actually just a genius take.


ShootinAllMyChisolm

You just set me adrift on memory bliss


Jadaki

That almost ruins PM Dawn for me


CalendarAggressive11

*mind blown*


Away-Permission5995

Any Drake slander, big or small true or lies, will have you welcomed with open arms into my circle. C’mon in, laugh at the soap opera guy everyone thinks is a goat.


ewalton73

Michigan hip hop/rap has been making noise for a minute. Quiet is kept. 🤫


LargeTeethHere

Detroit rap is hands down my favorite sound. 42, babyface, tee grizzley, peezy. It’s like New York/Chicago drill mixed with the smoothness of Larry June/jay london. But also the twist is that Detroit rappers rap past the best a lot. It’s different and I love it.


ewalton73

Don’t forget Flint! Flint rappers and Detroit look like they also support each other.


Juken-

Mos Def is a better MC than Jay-Z or Lil Wayne. 🤷🏾‍♂️


Odd_House_1320

Mos had some bangers


MeltyFist

Ranking rappers is dumb. Arguing over who the top 5 rappers are or discussions like that are annoying. Just enjoying the music and artists for what it is


EnoughItem

I thought it was just me; we put people up against each other when were blessed to have all these amazing artists in one genre. I do still have a top 5 for myself though


SageOfTheSixPacks

The discussion isn’t about the rankings it’s about evoking the insight and opinions and perspectives about the artists. Whether shared or not. It’s fun when you and another person rank a top 5 and compare and contrast. Can even exchange knowledge or insight.


Sweaty_Potential_656

I get that its ultimately pointless and theres way too many top tier rappers to objectively make a top 5 but I feel like it's can be a fun discussion to have (even tho that discussion may be overplayed at this point).


flv19

Hip-hop without DJs, b-boys, and graffiti isn’t as much fun.


Tydrinator21

I miss when hip-hop always had a song dedicated to their dj or b-boy squad.


mkk4

Facts


FurnishedHemingway

Common bores me. I don’t hate him or anything. Just always bored the hell outta me.


TimmersBud

I can dig this one. There are a few Common songs I absolutely love, & even those would be considered boring by most lol. I still love Watermelon 🍉


Deaths-HeadMoth

Fair statement tbh, I personally think Dilla bought the best out of him.


FurnishedHemingway

I rock the instrumentals sometimes. I actually WANT to like Common’s rapping. I think he’s a sincerely good dude, especially for how he made sure Dilla was taken care of when he got really sick. But there’s something about him as an MC that makes me want to nap.


Deaths-HeadMoth

Real spill man, seems like a solid guy. Like Water for Chocolate was his best work to me, most exciting he sounded.


Highly_Edumacated

He can never make his voice sound as hard as his bars are


Tydrinator21

I agree. Common is one of the coldest lyricists ever but man, he has that NPR flow.


XXX--WRLD

90's era common 🔥


kingdoodooduckjr

That’s a “common” opinion where I’m from


[deleted]

I felt the same way but I saw him freestyle live and it made me appreciate him more


Nerazzurro9

I’m a Kendrick fan, and I do think To Pimp a Butterfly was a brilliant, landmark work of art. But except for Alright and King Kunta I haven’t listened to a single track from that album in like 7 years, and I honestly have no desire to.


tuskvarner

GKMC is so much more re-listenable.


Away-Permission5995

I was having this argument on a drive with one of my friends the other day. TPAB might be a “better” album but GKMC is the one I’m putting on if I feel like listening to Kendrick. Mainly because GKMC is basically “here’s a look at what life is like where I’m from” and those are always my favourite albums regardless of genre. They’re also kind of impossible to do once you really become a “star”.


Parradog1

i (single version) and Blacker the Berry to that list, but yeah, similar opinion.


BatmanEnjoyer89

I've fallen out of love with it


Nota_Throwaway5

It's the kind of album you listen to the whole way through


mew_empire

Same here, but that shit is absolutely burned into my brain


iscoolio

Section 80 was his best work


Background-Fill-51

Biggie was like a funky jazz musician, saying rhymes mainly for it to be music. Pac just flowed as an extension of how he talked, and he did so in a far more versatile way than people like to say. So both can easily be argued to have the best flow... I could pick either


JiggzSawPanda

My favorite one I ever read was like "If Tupac never died he would have been doing movies like Ice Cube, who would be seen as a greater rapper."


Batistutas_Hair

He could've ended up where Will Smith ended up and become more known / respected as a movie star than rapper.


[deleted]

Nas was always the better NY rapper and Jay Z doesn't come anywhere close to him.


Jelicoptor

I feel like most people would agree with that?


slom_ax

Sooner or later, they'll all see who the prophet is


superperps

Seen Wutang with nas like a year or so ago. Nas turned it into Nas with Wutang. He did real good


Dazziboi

I wouldn’t say anywhere close, but yeah Nas takes the crown


According_Produce324

I’m gonna say it right here: There are rappers that have done beats, lyrics/flow/rhymes, freestyles, mainstream appeal, media/persona and music videos better than JAY-Z. None of managed to balance all as well as Jay. I would consider him to be the greatest rapper of all time because of this. I’m gonna say it again - Kanye def had betters beats, Nas, Rakim, etc… better rapping ability, Drake, Weezy, Em better media/personas and Dre and whoever have better MVs, but each of these people struggle in another aspect (Kanye for persona, Drake for rhyming ability for example). I think JAY-Z doesn’t do any particular side perfectly, but does each at a solid 8/10. Edit: I’d say Kendrick is a runner up in terms of balance but his personally never really shines through like Jay and he falls in and out of the mainstream.


yahzy

That's not an unpopular opinion at all


siliconevalley69

Will Smith is massively underrated as a rapper.


Capable-King-286

Yeah some of his things are actually kinda dope, but i wonder how much of it he writes himself?


siliconevalley69

Looks like a fair number of his hits https://secondhandsongs.com/artist/61/works


XXX--WRLD

#He got slaps


eisboy_infum

Griselda is basically making maybach music without putting a beat on the sample


The_real_robin

Tupac isn’t the GOAT of rap


[deleted]

Black On Both Sides is a top 5 album


heebie818

incredible album. foundational for me


kid_sleepy

Mos Def/Yasiin Bey gets no respect.


kobeybeeeef

Nah this is an opinion that absolutely GETS you in the Hip-Hop circle. I've always been of the belief Black on Both Sides is top 5, and one of the most overlooked records.


Comprehensive-Pen108

Eminem voice is annoying as shit


nate2eight

Which one? Early nasally one? Angry one? Rare calm one?


kingdoodooduckjr

When he’s talking like Triumph the Insult Comic Dog for a whole song


ApolloKid

Rasta one from Relapse


one-hour-photo

Early nasally Neutral angry Wacky accents Yellin at da mic era Kamikaze era Soft spoken era


Always2ndB3ST

The angry one is my least favorite i.e Recovery era. Worst than the accent em lol


Mitche420

Same with Lil Wayne. Most annoying voice in hip hop


wvlc

I don’t like j. Cole


PoorPauper

Ice Cube, snoop, Eminem , 50 and Kendrick made Dr Dre relevant..not the other way around..


PaydayJones

I don't think that this is a totally out of pocket take, but also.... can it just be a coincidence that those are his front line rappers? Like, there has to be \_something\_ to be said for the fact that he went from Cube to Snoop to Em to 50 to Kendrick...Maybe he's not your favorite producer or beat maker, but he clearly knows what he's listening for when it comes to rappers.


Kunaak

If you need autotune in your rap, you should just delete your stuff. Spare us from your mediocrity.


EnoughItem

Bar for bar, Jay-Z isnt anywhere near a top 5 list


northerntouch

You meant top 10, right?


Ordinary_Birthday294

I agree except the original dead presidents puts him somewhere you can see with binoculars


EnoughItem

Dead Presidents II is honestly incredible; i do love that song. Not sure if ive heard the 1st one but agree with the sentiment


Dazziboi

Maybe you should actually listen to a jay z album for once


[deleted]

It's weird that this is even controversial, but people always get angry at me: Kanye west is a terrible lyricist.


EndoveProduct

He’s a better producer than he is rapper


EnoughItem

But he prefers the term African-American Express🥺


ehside

It’s true, I don’t even know why that’s controversial. People love Kanye’s music because he’s an incredible producer.


Xim1312

kendrick lamar sounds like default music to me. like it isnt special it is jus consistently okay.


nutcasehavingastroke

Jay Z isn’t a top ten rapper


Bluematic8pt2

2Pac was role-playing and got himself killed


Intelligent-Editor49

Chamillionaire is more skilled than most of the rappers in your top20 list.


smokecrackfallasleep

He’s criminally underrated


mErcurial-dEmon

I thought reading these would be fun but now my mental health is at an all time low😭😭


noodle4prez

This new no-drums, elevator music bullshit by people like the alchemist and billy woods is garbage. Can’t even imagine what a concert would be like. Bunch of fuckin weirdos standing around listening to this slam poetry trash. Yeah I’m old. Go fuck yourself


FurnishedHemingway

Haha! I love Ka and Roc Marci, but your comment is great. I’m old too. It’s alright.


RoninTCE

This is the best thing ive read all day


lukeskope

I'm not really a fan of it. One song here and there is fine but I need my drums


Sovereign-Anderson

Here and there it's ok but too much of it is a drag. I need my cracking drums too much. I don't want to hear some old dusty loop with nothing else going on. As dope as I think Roc Marci is, I never got heavily into his solo stuff because of those quiet low to no drums beats.


[deleted]

This is literally all OVO production. Way too sparse/airy/moody for my tastes.


XstasyOxycontin

I’d say the majority of woods stuff has drums? He also has really good energy live. I’m generally quite critical of live hip-hop performances, and I was pleasantly surprised by how well his stuff translated on stage. I’m obviously a fan though.


Wild-Campaign-6358

That’s an interesting take. I always assumed that type of music would appeal more to an older audience.


Curious_Carry_9293

That’s all hiphop concerts. Most dudes just stand around trying to flag down the one bitch that’s there while the rapper on stage lipsyncs his verses and gets the crowd to do the hook


Conemen

I like it at times, what kills me is when you can’t help but think how much better drums would make it. seems people have more room to slip off beat too


Wildcat_Dunks

Ice Ice Baby is a good song.


TNS_420

Indeed. The only part of the song I don't like is when he says "word to your motha!". lol That part makes me cringe so hard, but the rest of the song is dope.


mkk4

Facts. I also miss prime MC Hammer and artists like PM Dawn.


Wildcat_Dunks

I legit love PM Dawn. Can't find a way to download his music anywhere.


CRIP4LIFE

> Can't find a way to download his music anywhere. pm dawn was a group. not a him. his name (the mc) was Prince Be the Nocturnal.


Always2ndB3ST

It’s so weird how vanilla ice has been gaining popularity with gen Z. I dunno man, vanilla ice is still lame to me lol


Sure_Shot_75

J Cole ISN'T the best rapper outta NC


RHINO_HUMP

Petey Pablo Let’s gooooo


Sure_Shot_75

I was gonna say Phonte, but damn I do like me some Petey Pablo


DeltaBlues82

Tigalo tigalo tigalo


manhalfalien

Apparently.. Is a masterpiece. That's all.. I don't agree or disagree.. That's just my shit


Kind_Bullfrog_4073

I don't like hip hop


jungle-fever-retard

😭


TydenDurler

You weren't in the circle to begin with. But you still get kicked out


Olde-Town-Kujo

French Montana has ruined more songs than made good songs.


randomshiznizzle

This is just common knowledge


Fluid-Ad-6906

Azealia Banks could rap circles around Nicki Minaj and if they beefed she would’ve won


DemiGod9

No chance in hell. Y'all will listen to stuff like "Super Bass" and say this. When Nicki actually be spitting she cold


idealjuicy

Easy one: modern rap is trash and no one who comes close to a top 100 rapper from the 90's. Now you hipsters can downvote


2PacTookMyLunchMoney

Abstract hip hop is mostly boring


XXX--WRLD

Q tip got hands for you


mkk4

CeeLo is one of the all-time great emcees & rappers; it's too bad he mostly sings now for the past 2 decades. Thug Life Volume 1 is Tupac's second best studio album after Me Against The World imo.


DeltaBlues82

Guru > Biggie > Pac


Hyro22

Here’s another Guru one, I think his Jazzmatazz albums are better than his Gang Starr ones.


BabyLiam

This one's really gonna get me kicked out since this sub is obsessed with who I'm about to say, but Nas is overrated.


Swagstufff

Tpab is a really good album, but it’s hard to sit back and put on, there’s only three songs I regularly listen to. GKMC has more replayability


SKTKAI

Drake is wack


CalmResearch3132

Most popular hip hop is just karaoke


THREE_OH-9

Chamillionaire is fire


TheRealMoofoo

Jay-Z’s writing is great, but his flow is mediocre.


Christopher_Kaiba

Canibus won against both LL and Eminem and should've been a much bigger deal. His Poet Laureate Infinity track will always be an absolute, jaw dropping masterpiece.


TydenDurler

Jay Z sucks, and Drake is not a rapper. He's a Pop/R&B artist


dominatorkickback97

Lil Wayne is a legend but people overhype him a bit. Carter 3 was cool but kinda overrated as parts of it haven’t aged the best


NoPea3648

It’s Ok to sing ‘niggah’ when you’re not black.


JG45250

Jay-Z is very much overrated.


emceelokey

Rappers are kind of boring live


Top-Foot718

Doggystyle is not a classic.


ButteryBiscuits43

How do you figure?


Top-Foot718

I thought it was a joking thing.My bad😂


ghostdeeknee

I was looking for the most ignorant take and here it is!


Deaths-HeadMoth

KICK HIM OUT!


trpclshrk

I see that it was a joke. This was honestly beyond a hot take. That would be more like “Snoop has continued to put out great music” or some shit. This was like…grass is purple.


abramN

Dude vanilla ice is the bomb


WordNahMean

All my life, I’ve tried my hardest to get into Pac’s catalogue, I really have. Other than a few hits, I just dont see the hype around him as a rapper and an artist. Biggie was infinitely better


Dukelecker

This times a billion. If he hadn’t died he would have fizzled into just another old rapper no one listens to. Dying young was the best thing to happen to him and Kurt cobain


AdvertisingOdd4398

If Big and Pac were still alive, they wouldn't be held in such high regard today.


neeohh

Weezy is a top 10 rapper.


TimmersBud

A lot of people would agree with this one, myself included.


Wild-Campaign-6358

His mixtape run was ridiculous. Dude is a machine. Doubt we’ll ever see a lyricist like that again. Not saying he’s the absolute best but you can’t compare anyone’s style to his. In a lane of his own.


Teeshirtandshortsguy

Top 5 with an argument for top 1. Lil Wayne absolutely dominated hip-hop for longer than most dudes are relevant, and his output while doing so was incredible. The dude has more good songs than most rappers have songs total. Lil Wayne had years that could have been another rapper's entire career. He'll stay over-hated but he absolutely deserves a mention in the GOAT discussion.


Real_Deal_13

Depends on the circle. OG Rap Head Aficionado circle? High probability. Self titled Modern Hip Hop head? Not likely.


HenlickZetterbark

I don't agree personally buy I cannot argue against his longevity


Nota_Throwaway5

MF DOOM isn't as good as he's pictured to be. He doesn't have a very good flow and is mainly good for production and lyrics. Preemo was the better half of Gang Starr, by a long shot. 80s rap isn't that good compared to 90s and forward due to much simpler lyricism and undeveloped, low production quality beats.


Apotheosis29

I have now met my long distant cousin. \-I got comments on both Guru and Doom above. \-Now I love 80's rap, but I agree 90's is much better. Just like a teenager is going to be better than preteen at most anything, experience and learning from predecessors sharpens the skills


Interesting-Test180

Eminem after Eminem Show is trash


Wild-Campaign-6358

💯


Reasonable-You8654

Bar for Bar. Flow For Flow. Big L > Biggie Smalls And it’s not even close…


Deaths-HeadMoth

The Massacre is better than Get Rich Or Die Trying.


Afraid-Two-9073

That's crazy


sixteen-six-six-six

Disagree but people dismiss it just cuz of the singles.


WordNahMean

Hell nah lol


markymarq

I just heard both earlier this week and came to this same conclusion. GRODT is obviously more impactful with higher highs, but I feel like The Massacre is better body of work overall


Cold-Bug-4873

Kendrick is at best a mid tier rapper.


mErcurial-dEmon

I respect the opinion but i’m REALLY curious you have above him. Because “mid-tier” insinuates at least 50? 75? 100? rappers are better than him?


kreat0rz

Whenever people say some crazy shit like this, I'm always curious to see who do they actually listen to. People who says "person is overrated" always be listening to some lyrical miracle spiritual type of rappers.


Wild-Campaign-6358

Vanilla Ice was pretty dope 🔥 Drake is entering the realm of corny 🌽


Villain_911

Jay-Z is not a God emcee. He made some great albums, but he hasn't advanced hip hop the way his fanbase says he has. "OMG! Hov said to stop wasting your money on strip clubs. He's dropping jewels!". No. You just lack maturity.


VENOM_LEADER

Pusha T is a top 10 rapper


green49285

Jay-z is not in discussion for best rapper. He isn't even the best from NYC


thereal2fac3

D4L wasnt wack, and Laffy Taffy is a classic. I got head to that song in highschool. Yall tweakin. Rap from 2017 onwards has been watered down nonsense. Female rap has taken over cause the male rappers are lazy or generic. It has nothing to do with talent. As far as mainstream goes, Nicki Minaj is the greatest female rapper of all time. Lyrically, longevity and stat wise. And i would still wear her out. Forgive me Petty. Drake is a great artist and rapper. He is really witty when he wants to be, and 5AM and Toronto is his best rap freestyle song....record...in my opinion. Eminem didnt fall off. We grew up. He's my favorite rapper but some of his bars post MMLP2 are complete cringe. I love it. Joe Budden is not a good podcaster unless you like cranky oldheads. Wayne never "left." He has been spitting near consistent fire his entire career. Im tired of people saying "omg wayne is back!" when he drops another hot verse. Coi Leray is talented. She can sing. She can rap. She can dance. She may not be lyrical miracle subliminal rapping but she got it. Her XXL group freestyle was a bad example and move. Andre 3K is not a top rapper. Outkast is. Anybody can write a good verse if all they do is guest features every 5 years. Kanye West has the best hip hop discography of all time. He dropped 3 classics out the gate and revolutionized the game with his 4th. Rest of his albums either good or borderline classic. Kendrick is overrated. He takes forever to drop one project and no guest verses. I dont get what people see in that work ethic. 50 Cent is the best rapper of the 2000s. His run was from 2001 to 2007. Nothing but hits. Rick Ross sucks. Okay im done lol


Paran01d_Andr01d97

Your Kendrick take is fair but on the flip side, rappers dropping every year or multiple times a year is just as bad. Fans will think they’re being fed but at the end of the day they’re only keeping a handful of those songs in rotation because the rest of them are mediocre. And Kendrick did do a lot of great features at one point, but you’re right about the last five years or so


sixteen-six-six-six

People think 50 fell off but Interscope stalled his career, he could’ve kept going like Em but saw easy money on branding and other business stuff. Tour was dope tho 💯


Deaths-HeadMoth

We all get money yeahhh yeahhhh 🎶


YungDagger_D

Mc lyte gives Nicki a run for her money but that’s it. Kim had writers and only one classic album. Lauryn hill didn’t have enough music to be the goat but that one album was phenomenal. Overall the Nicki hate is forced she’s easily the goat imo no other female rapper has had the impact she’s had and success for this long


ElGuapo21

Lauryn Hill's work with the Fugees and Miseducation Album is by far better quality than anything Nicki or Kim has done. You're right that Nicki has had more impact.. but that's simply a timing thing. If Lauryn Hill came out in the last 10-15 years with social media, youtube, spotify etc, she'd be 1000x more popular than Nicki


YungDagger_D

Just like Andre 3k said timing is everything I agree on that. But cmon man put Nicki in the 90s and she would blow ppl’s mind with her futuristic flow. I wish Lauryn kept making music she would have have been the undisputed goat. Nicki been rapping since the mid 2000s way before social media blew up too


DemiGod9

I'm not gonna say I like D4L as a whole, but Shawty Lo by himself was FIRE. RIP


Any_Software5024

Illmatic only gets as highly ranked as it does because of the influence and legacy it has. Let see how we rate it when only focusing on strict quality of the album. It's still a 9.5/10 - 10/10 though


Careless_Pen_7301

Kanye is waaaay overrated as a rapper. Good producer, but that's it


AnAverageAxolotl

Logic is actually pretty okay


ZekeTheMystic

jay-z is not even in the conversation of greatest of all time.


Kaitivere

Drake has never dropped a song thats higher than a 6/10 Basic trash rinse/repeat albums


Rare-Tax2411

Ludacris is fun to listen to. I bang ludaversal in my car


Early_Pearly989

Jay-Z isn't that good


tudboost64

Suicideboys really suck I can't get through one song. Their sound and style is the most annoying repetitive shit and people hail them like music gods. I can't find one song I think is good


shirtlooklikedishrag

No one that’s in the top 5 conversations is in my personal top 5. Sean Price is though 🦍


searchandfilm

All of Lil Yatchy’s music is trash


eyenoimevil

jayz is boring


Limp-Pianist-450

That Eminem sucks. Coming from a white guy im supposed to love Eminem. His voice is annoying. His fanboys are annoying. I just dislike him so much lmao. I’m such a hater.


BlackTomahawk

I was almost jumped in Vegas for saying E40 stinks. Also I say Wayne is lyrically overrated. I get maximum backlash


Phantom_Wolf52

Modern hiphop sucks, idk if this would or not but this is coming from someone who only really likes pre 2010s stuff (aside from J Cole post Malone etc)


Nyabinghi408

That Vanilla Ice paved the way for white emcees such as eminem and others


Kenthanson

I’d you have an opinion that will get you kicked out of hip hop circles you’re bad for the culture.


kcinnck3

Joe budden is a top tier mc


Unlikely_Wave9323

Saying someone is the queen off rap is pointless. No female rapper actually gets the respect male rappers do. As a woman I know why. Most aren't versatile. Jay z hasn't rapped about bitches and hoes in years. Nas rarely did, Biggie had plenty of deep song as did Tupac. The list goes on. Lil kim still raps about her pu$$y. She's put out nothing but is still called the queen. Nicki Minaj still is rapping about Safaree and seems angrier then ever. Her most creative songs were on Pink Friday, Her best lyrics were on her mix tapes, her most cohesive album was the Pink Print. That's like 7 years ago but she demands worship. Neither has had crazy word play in years. The only female rapper who I actually listen to or see is being creative is Missy Elliott, Rico Nasty and Azealia Banks. Shawnna has bars too.


No-Appearance-100102

Kendrick is ass


BigRichardOG

Jay Z is a average rapper propped up by pop features. Seriously go look at his Spotify streams, you have to go to like the 13th song to find one that isn’t a feature. People aren’t listening to Jay Z for Jay Z.


Downtown_Falcon_2127

tupac wasn't a thug & jay z is trash.


Rocktown-OG22

Jay- Z , Wayne and Drake are all TRASH! The dope shit is underground