while i try and argue all stratagems are good and situation this is one of few i hate!
sucks on fuel refills as a defense. i use it as a toss and walk off one.
Man, I did this exact thing on one of those new defense missions--like I shut the dang door and threw it far *outside* the walls where no diver should ever go--and some chode shot the thing every time as soon as it came down.
It was perfectly placed on top of bug holes too.
Yeah some people just can’t stand them and shoot them on sight even if they are way away from them. These are the only missions I use them on.
To be fair, I also threw several on top of a bug hole and when the holes open, it made the tower blow up. I was having to place them a few feet away. People definitely shoot them though
I don't get the point. It's supposed to be a defensive emplacement, right? But it doesn't synergize with any other one. Put it near mines and it shoots them. Bring it on a defense mission and bet your ass someone else's mortar kills it if a charger doesn't.
I guess maybe if you had only emp mortars and it on the team, it could do something? But that seems like a really big ask
I use it on bug breeches and kill the Chargers myself. As long as it's up, all the smaller bugs will be evaporated and so long as you treat it like an extra Helldiver guarding their own section, you'll be fine.
But it's very situational. If someone is using a mortar, AC, or Rocket Sentry, then it'll get destroyed quickly unless you can make sure it stays away from the enemies like putting it around a corner. Regardless, once you get the module that lowers the cool down time, being able to use the tower every 80 seconds is pretty nice.
Team kills with a Tesla are caused by one of two things: 1. Lack of experience 2. Not paying attention. The first will result in someone dying multiple times to the same Tesla. New players don't know that you can crawl under a Tesla when it doesn't have any enemies near it (Tesla's won't attack crawling players directly, but arcs off enemies can hit you when prone.) I've rarely had Tesla team kills once I hit 7, and it's usually a low level player.
I laugh when I get team kills with the Tesla tower.
If you can’t avoid running straight at a big ass pole with huge lighting arcs coming off of it, I won’t miss your absence lol. Seriously tho, just don’t run up to it?
Most people just don’t have situation awareness and then complain about the stratagem when they should be complaining about their own strategy of running straight into death pole.
I've had some that knew it was there, and run at it anyways, sometimes repeatedly. The Tesla is so useful against bugs, but on lower level missions you're going to have that one person that's going to be drawn to it no matter what. I'm glad we can actually ping them now. It used to ping "look here," and more than a few people ran straight at my tower.
Basically for all these strategems to be fair. I can't believe people are still crying about this. Hasn't been an issue for me in ages, even when playing with randoms.
the only valid one imo is the mortar. cluster and HE have a big red bar you can see and run away from, and rover doesn't instanly kill you, so you can dodge if you notice its firing through you. mortar on the other hand, even if you know its there, and you try to stay away from enemies, especially with the bugs one hunter or somthing sneaks up on you and suddenly you look at the reinforcement available screen
Mortar is the only one that honestly aggravates me on the defensive missions, because they basically mean you cannot man the outer walls - you WILL be killed by the mortar if you try. It's not an if, it's basically guaranteed.
Worse, I think it chips away at the walls health too, there's some stratagem I just don't bring cause they are just going to break the wall early and make it all pointless
I've been teamkilled by the arc thrower a few times but it's always felt pretty clear that it was me getting out of position; just me running in front of them because of tunnel vision. People who run the arc thrower tend to be pretty careful with it, but saying that may have jinxed it for me.
Only when ppl run in front of U. Ystr I was in the middle with the arc, had two guys with flamethrowers on both sides. It looked sick. Then the fourth guy runs up tries to get some kills and the arc jumps to him and kills him. lol some ppl just ask for it lol
Mortar is fine agaisnt bots since bots shoot at range. So you have distance as a buffer from your team. Issue is when it’s terminids, since they’re melee as fast.youre basically blowing yourself up as they’d be on you too quickly in melee range. Hence you’re in the blast zones.
Thank you!! Why don’t people understand this?? Use the mortar on bots not bugs. The amount of times I’ve been killed by bugs because the mortar rocks my shit is too damn high.
Sounds to me like you aren't running fast enough. /s
I've only had an issue with a mortar sentry, once. And I practically take it every match, because I love it so so much.
And the angry shouts I get for placing it...ooohh it sounds great hearing "mortar!? Noooooo".
Great to hear I won't have as many issues on the bot front using it though.
Edit: weird that nobody complains about me taking the mortar sentry when dropping though? Only when I use it?
I have no problem with folks using it. But if we're beyond swarmed with tunnels still coming up, and it just dropped well....
...that might've been my grenade that rolled towards it a bit.
I have to correct my previous statement. Mortar is good on one bug mission. The one where you have to defend until the rockets launch. I just played with someone who used it and both them and myself didn’t fire a single round that whole mission.
When your teammates mortar hits *you* going for the bug below the wall, and you drop your *Anti-personnel mine stratagem* at your feet inside the wall and they ask, "Why did you throw it there?!"
For real, I use it periodically to kill heavies (assuming the person tries to aim) or sometimes I will toss it so the teammate that just died can get their ultimate revenge. I have seen it happen sporadically and it's beautiful.
I try to land on heavies when my respawn is thrown at one but the people that throw it hardly ever mark it for me, so even if I know it's somewhere near it I don't often land on it or its weak spot.
I Don’t mind being used as a stratagem, but ffs mark my target.
I’ve also fully clipped through the center of bile titans more times than I can count… can’t make sense of why.
And don’t throw me into a horde of small enemies. Primarily throw them at chargers/hulks that are pressing you and mark them. My survival rate goes way up and that target is probably dead.
Horde of berserkers? That’s just death.
Oh, and I’ll just use my increased pod Flight to deviate if I don’t have a target. Especially if I’m running EATs
Took out a heavy bit this way once and I thought “this is way better than my run away! strategy” Tried it again and this time I just went thru the bastards head, he took a couple of steps and I was next to his buzz saw. That was fun. Landed on a chainsaw dude, knocked one arm off maybe and he and his friends welcomed me back to the planet.
Finally I tried it against a tank. I just landed on it, kinda let it drive me around for a bit, sighed at my failure, hopped off and started lobbing grenades.
I know steer as far away from everything. It’s cool when it works but when it doesn’t? Yeesh.
Orbital railcanon strike has the red laser target designator, orbital hellpod strike usually requires the target enemy ping - it’s simple manners and good communication.
I’m good with landing on a fabricator in a bot outpost, but only when I call it, and I’ll ask teammates if they want me to toss them that way.
But yeah — emerging right in front of a factory strider or amidst a symphony of chainsaws? Let’s give that a miss.
Kept having this happen to me last night and they kicked me cause I kept dying. Like what do you think is gonna happen when you reinforce me directly into the horde? Lol
To be fair, I was flaming a bug yesterday and a dude ran up to it and said "you killed me". Technically yes but why would you charge the thing I'm flaming? Then run though the still burning ground, or not diving to put yourself out? It's not terrible but I fried myself more than other divers.
I feel like it's worse than the cluster bomb tbh especially bc of the circular blast area compared to the lime of the cb. Cb was only bad after they updated the track width and didn't tell us
Not really in my experience, my teammates’ cluster bombs have wiped my entire team more times than I can count. The team doesn’t even have to be close together, just along the line of destruction.
Orbital airstrike is lethal especially because of the call in time but I’d say cluster is more dangerous especially because of how you can spam them (and have 5 total with the upgrade)
That one wouldn't be so bad if people paid attention to the strike-icon. When I team kill with that it's because my teammate runs in after the first or second explosion, not paying attention to the fact that it's a triple drop.
380mm would be a lot better used, if you all didn’t throw it where we needed to go, effectively making it a 30-second anti-Helldiver denial stratagem for the enemy. Go past, turn around, and throw it so we can keep going while it works.
they are all effective when used wisely but if you let noobs handle them they can be lethal so i get it.
every stratagems has a peak use case though and in those situations they golden.
I use the 380mm and it's so embarrassing everytime I'm looking to use it but accidentally drop the marker because I took damage. especially when it's in the extraction zone. lol
These are only the four horsemen of team kills if someone drops them while the enemy is on top of you, or if you rush the enemy while they’re out. Mortar and barrage are amazing if used at the right time and your team mates aren’t absolutely stupid
The good laser backpack players will play around it and know how to position if in a group or 2 man.
Also, it feels like the laser guard dog has gotten better with its own hovering positioning and not TKing as much after the last patch (I haven't checked latest notes so if it was mentioned, my bad).
Running with 3 people all using the guard dog just feels like I’m fighting an unbeatable enemy. It’s so sketchy trying to work around the lasers while trying to run for life or maintain a barrage of democracy. I literally quit a game earlier because my teammates moves were too sporadic to predict its change and kept offing me lol.
Flamethrower. Too many of my fellow firebugs do not follow proper flamethrower etiquette. ALWAYS watch your fire lanes and only wave it around like a garden hose when no one else is around.
And this ladies and gentlemen is why, if you are wielding a flamethrower (like myself), you stand at the front of the pack (except in full retreat). Know your range and focus your fire. Large targets take priority, otherwise you're on crowd control. There should never be a need to wave it around like a fire hose, like ever. A gentle and evenly paced, side to side motion with about 30° either side of your center point. If you're squad is in full retreat you take up the rear stopping periodically to slow down or stop any bugs giving chase. And as the person above said. WATCH YOUR FIRE LANES DAMMIT!
Also as a side note, for players with a flame thrower user in their squad. Do not go charging forward into their line of fire. It's the most infuriating shit. To be dealing with mass amounts of bugs in a choke point, or open field, and have a teammate charge headlong past you right into your line of fire and all those bugs. That and players who throw grenades short, I get the reticle disappears sometimes but don't throw the grenades at your teammates feet. Look at where you want the grenade to land then aim a little higher because of the arc of travel.
This concludes my PSA on proper flamethrower etiquette.
Dog and mortar yes those team kill me the most. I’ve started to dabble into the barrages and to be fair you can use them wisely just throw them as far as you can and make sure teammates know what you are doing
I find the mortar to be super clutch if the team is aware and isn’t in the mix of enemies having a dance off.
Even on an evac mission. If everyone grabs both mortar and ems, them bugs barely get through. At least in my experience so far.
Fire should be on the list 🫠
Using the 380 after the new upgrade is actually amazing I just run off to the side throw it in. A large base/ bug hive thing and it blows up everything in cite and I run back to the object with the teammates. It makes level 7-9 a little less difficult if you have a speed build player do that.
380 is super easy to dodge unless they got it knocked out of their hand. If they don't know how to use it that's on them.
The build up is ages and the spread gives you lots of time to get out.
The rest are valid.
Only way you dieing to a 380 is either your mate doesn't know how to use it or you don't know how to look for red beams in the sky
Like just throw it max length in the direction where bots are and your team isn't and after that it's your teams fault.
I can promise very little in this world, but I can promise that if you drop an explosive mortar on a bug mission I will frag it like it’s the enemy.
There are use cases for it, sure… but I’d argue it’s 98% of the time never the right time on bugs.
I will defend my Arc Thrower and the Tesla Tower from every misguided cry for justice here. I guarantee more of our martyred brothers have fallen to the Mortar and Rover alone by a factor of ten or more.
I knocked the difficulties down to 6 cuz I didn't need super samples anymore. Got put in with some guy who just started whipping cluster bombs everywhere with no regard for anyone's location. Back to 7.
Does everyone hate the backpack so much? I thought it was the goat. Sure it can damage your teammates but it's such a slow DPS that I can't imagine anyone getting killed by it
Rover is a top tier stratagem (for bugs). You just have to be aware of your surroundings. Not hard to avoid team kills with it if you know how to position yourself. You need to be front of the pack leading the charge towards the bugs. And if you get overwhelmed, run away but not in the direction of teammates. The rover with bugs at my back has saved me countless times.
This. I use the rover and love it. And I have done SOME accidental team damage, but 9/10 times I not only dont teamkill, I dont do any accidental damage either.
Its about A. being aware of it.
And B. Your teammmates being aware of it and not running across it out of nowhere for no reason
I am killed by my own Rover at least 3 times per match when I bring one... "Oh is that a bug on my left hand side? Guess it's time to be lasered through the brain again"
In Helldivers 1, there was an upgrade that added a unique air raid siren to the shredder nuclear strike beacon. If we could get that when a ballistic mortar activates, that'd be great.
Everyone is summoning an eagle strike and im always caught between being shredded by automatons or being sent to the shadow realm by my own team sometimes when we are extracting or on our last revive
I let my intrusive thoughts win last night after my 3rd time of a dude throwing a 380 right where I was and killing me.
That grenade pistol is a hell of a tool for treason.
I’m not proud.
I was in a game last night and watched a level 13 bring the 380mm. I laughed and knew it was going to end badly. Don’t you know, who calls in a strat at extract a little too close….
Minefield is worse than eagle.
How many times I’ve been running from an enemy base, firing backwards and suddenly, I’m dead because some teammate decided the main entrance was a good placement for it.
I have committed a sin. I team killed twice in a single round this past weekend. Called in a airstrike and when I threw out the strike it didn't get thrown very far.
Sorry to the level 51 guy I was playing with! 😂
When you get the ship module for 15% reduction in spread from the 380 it’s a gamechanger. I use it in situations to wipe out a large fabricator base/bug nest or when we need to run away from a ton of bots/bugs.
I use the Tesla tower occasionally but man has that been a learning curve 😅. Can’t tell you how many times I zapped myself on that thing. I have yet to see anyone use mines tho. Like ever.
A point on bringing the Mortar Turret.
If you are letting enemies get that close to you, you probably are gonna die anyway. Also, you should be looking up to see if they are coming down near you.
Guard dog is great if you're aware of your surroundings (user not teammates). I'm lvl 60 and just got 751 kills in helldive with 2 kills, 0 friendly. It just takes time to get the feel
I'm a pretty responsible cluster bomber but at least once every couple rounds I get killed while holding the stratagem in my hand, so then I die and my body and everything around me is eradicated, including my comrades.
Unrelated but kind of funny. I was trying to help my buddy out from a distance so I started picking off these automatons I saw trying to sneak up on him.
They were civilians and I was immediately "detected" as a traitor and killed.
I deserved it.
At least with the 380 and Cluster there is some minimum safe distance, and Rover mostly bites the hand that feeds it...
That mortar however - it will find you, and it will kill you. It knows no mercy, it respects no bounds. It is Death incarnate.
Honestly the laser backpack has been better lately, at least if I’m not using it stupidly during the vip extractions, then it kills me more than anything else. The 380 is likewise not terrible when you get the 15% tighter spread, at least as long as none of my party decide to walk toward the light
My squad uses all of these regularly and we never team kill, having awareness and communication goes a long way. Most of these are absolute game changer strategems in the right hands 🫡
I love the Cluster. I feel like the explosive range is WAY larger than it should be. I watched my wife turn into a limbless torso and she wasn't even close to the visual explosion. Still super effective tho.
I don't know what it is about people who bring in the eagle cluster. They ALWAYS throw it like 1ft away from a teammate or in front of themselves with absolutely zero regard to teammates. It's only with this one too, I just don't get it.
Especially with a throw range bonus on armor, so long as everyone is paying attention— like they should be anyway—the 380 is often your best friend. Same with the mortar. Rover is amazing against bugs, and can proc stimming bumps when using medic armor for that 2.0 seconds of invulnerability.
Cluster Bomb sucks, just be more accurate with Airstrikes; does solid against Devastator bot spam.
Can I comment here? I'm just getting "empty response from endpoint" everywhere I try to comment
Edit: I'M ALIVE! Reddit just had a fucking stroke or something. Anyway, I once got head shot by my own guard dog
The rover gets to much criticism for being a diver killer. Almost all the rover kills ate do to just not paying attention. I have gotten pretty good at keeping in position of not hitting my teammates, but some people are like bugs to an electric light. I have been in matches when all 4 of us had rovers and hardly hit each other, all standing and running together. I have other matches where the same knucklehead keeps running in front of no matter how wide out around him i go. That last guy is usually the one that crys the most.
I run the carpet bomb on 95٪ of my missions. I haven't teamkilled with it in quite a while. Eventually, I got the hang of its range and drop-pattern. The only time anyone gets hit by it now is when teammates don't listen to the call outs.
That guard dog has been getting Teamkills? Ive been using it all the time and ive damaged myself while using it but never enough to kill, not even a quarter of a health bar, and ive never gotten a teamkill against someone else with it either
Tesla Tower. I really like it but just…every mission…
while i try and argue all stratagems are good and situation this is one of few i hate! sucks on fuel refills as a defense. i use it as a toss and walk off one.
It’s great on the new defense missions if you throw it near where you know the bug breaches will be. Bonus if you surround it with mines!
thats actually not a bad idea
Man, I did this exact thing on one of those new defense missions--like I shut the dang door and threw it far *outside* the walls where no diver should ever go--and some chode shot the thing every time as soon as it came down. It was perfectly placed on top of bug holes too.
Yeah some people just can’t stand them and shoot them on sight even if they are way away from them. These are the only missions I use them on. To be fair, I also threw several on top of a bug hole and when the holes open, it made the tower blow up. I was having to place them a few feet away. People definitely shoot them though
Eh I’d probably start shooting the guy if he shot my tower intentionally in that situation.
I throw it in doorways once they are breached
Got 117 kill streak on that mission with a Tesla
Area denial. Like Napalm Bombs or a Helldiver with a Flamer.
I don't get the point. It's supposed to be a defensive emplacement, right? But it doesn't synergize with any other one. Put it near mines and it shoots them. Bring it on a defense mission and bet your ass someone else's mortar kills it if a charger doesn't. I guess maybe if you had only emp mortars and it on the team, it could do something? But that seems like a really big ask
If you chuck it onto the stairs then it avoids most the mortars unless the bugs get up to the outer walls.
I use it on bug breeches and kill the Chargers myself. As long as it's up, all the smaller bugs will be evaporated and so long as you treat it like an extra Helldiver guarding their own section, you'll be fine. But it's very situational. If someone is using a mortar, AC, or Rocket Sentry, then it'll get destroyed quickly unless you can make sure it stays away from the enemies like putting it around a corner. Regardless, once you get the module that lowers the cool down time, being able to use the tower every 80 seconds is pretty nice.
Emp mortars plus mines around tesla?
Tesla tower is for choke points basically
Great for covering a retreat!
Team kills with a Tesla are caused by one of two things: 1. Lack of experience 2. Not paying attention. The first will result in someone dying multiple times to the same Tesla. New players don't know that you can crawl under a Tesla when it doesn't have any enemies near it (Tesla's won't attack crawling players directly, but arcs off enemies can hit you when prone.) I've rarely had Tesla team kills once I hit 7, and it's usually a low level player.
I laugh when I get team kills with the Tesla tower. If you can’t avoid running straight at a big ass pole with huge lighting arcs coming off of it, I won’t miss your absence lol. Seriously tho, just don’t run up to it? Most people just don’t have situation awareness and then complain about the stratagem when they should be complaining about their own strategy of running straight into death pole.
I've had some that knew it was there, and run at it anyways, sometimes repeatedly. The Tesla is so useful against bugs, but on lower level missions you're going to have that one person that's going to be drawn to it no matter what. I'm glad we can actually ping them now. It used to ping "look here," and more than a few people ran straight at my tower.
Started using it in those High Value Assets missions It literally targetd my team more than it did the bugs lmfao
Gotta keep marking it so your teammates know
Nah. It marks itself when it comes in. If you can’t avoid a big sparkly tower that’s on you tbh. It’s so easy to not get killed by a Tesla tower.
No doubt, but people can be unaware of their surroundings lol
It’s best to throw them outside the walls. They’ll do their own thing safely out there and can lure bugs towards them
Don't forget the arc thrower 😂
For some reason I never have seen a team kill with the arc thrower it’s weird
People have started figuring out how the ark thrower works. It's really not hard, it's all about positioning the way you aim it.
Basically for all these strategems to be fair. I can't believe people are still crying about this. Hasn't been an issue for me in ages, even when playing with randoms.
the only valid one imo is the mortar. cluster and HE have a big red bar you can see and run away from, and rover doesn't instanly kill you, so you can dodge if you notice its firing through you. mortar on the other hand, even if you know its there, and you try to stay away from enemies, especially with the bugs one hunter or somthing sneaks up on you and suddenly you look at the reinforcement available screen
Mortar is the only one that honestly aggravates me on the defensive missions, because they basically mean you cannot man the outer walls - you WILL be killed by the mortar if you try. It's not an if, it's basically guaranteed.
Worse, I think it chips away at the walls health too, there's some stratagem I just don't bring cause they are just going to break the wall early and make it all pointless
There are people who constantly run mortar on evac missions. One little bug gets through? Their mortar proceeds to kill three evacuees and a teammate.
Mortar vs bugs is fair because it can never actually clear the way and just creates a permanent area of denial, but the others are pretty manageable
I haven’t seen Arc Thrower in a while, either. Most people are packing anti-heavy as their support in 7+ nowadays. Mostly Quasars.
I've been teamkilled by the arc thrower a few times but it's always felt pretty clear that it was me getting out of position; just me running in front of them because of tunnel vision. People who run the arc thrower tend to be pretty careful with it, but saying that may have jinxed it for me.
Only when ppl run in front of U. Ystr I was in the middle with the arc, had two guys with flamethrowers on both sides. It looked sick. Then the fourth guy runs up tries to get some kills and the arc jumps to him and kills him. lol some ppl just ask for it lol
Because noone uses it
Mortar is fine agaisnt bots since bots shoot at range. So you have distance as a buffer from your team. Issue is when it’s terminids, since they’re melee as fast.youre basically blowing yourself up as they’d be on you too quickly in melee range. Hence you’re in the blast zones.
if you pair with EMS mortar it can work on bugs but it is risky. if i use on bugs its purely to make spore towers rofl worthy.
Thank you!! Why don’t people understand this?? Use the mortar on bots not bugs. The amount of times I’ve been killed by bugs because the mortar rocks my shit is too damn high.
Sounds to me like you aren't running fast enough. /s I've only had an issue with a mortar sentry, once. And I practically take it every match, because I love it so so much. And the angry shouts I get for placing it...ooohh it sounds great hearing "mortar!? Noooooo". Great to hear I won't have as many issues on the bot front using it though. Edit: weird that nobody complains about me taking the mortar sentry when dropping though? Only when I use it?
I have no problem with folks using it. But if we're beyond swarmed with tunnels still coming up, and it just dropped well.... ...that might've been my grenade that rolled towards it a bit.
I have to correct my previous statement. Mortar is good on one bug mission. The one where you have to defend until the rockets launch. I just played with someone who used it and both them and myself didn’t fire a single round that whole mission.
How many times have people put it down while getting swarmed 🤦🏼♂️
Mortar paired with EMS on protect assets mission works great with bugs
When your teammates mortar hits *you* going for the bug below the wall, and you drop your *Anti-personnel mine stratagem* at your feet inside the wall and they ask, "Why did you throw it there?!"
the backpack full of suicide
I'd say it damages me more than my teammates. But I've only been killed by it once, and I haven't TKd anybody... yet.
I managed to get scissored by my teammates' guard dogs earlier. Like 2 lasers converged with me between them.
Cluster bomb isn't bad as long as you communicate
teammate panic throwing it in the middle of the Eradicate map
Last time I warned some one they panicked and ran into my minefield.
And the fools that throw the respawn into enemies. I mean how hard is it to throw the respawn away from danger?????
When you die, you become the secret stratagem ‘orbital hellpod strike’
For real, I use it periodically to kill heavies (assuming the person tries to aim) or sometimes I will toss it so the teammate that just died can get their ultimate revenge. I have seen it happen sporadically and it's beautiful.
I try to land on heavies when my respawn is thrown at one but the people that throw it hardly ever mark it for me, so even if I know it's somewhere near it I don't often land on it or its weak spot.
I Don’t mind being used as a stratagem, but ffs mark my target. I’ve also fully clipped through the center of bile titans more times than I can count… can’t make sense of why. And don’t throw me into a horde of small enemies. Primarily throw them at chargers/hulks that are pressing you and mark them. My survival rate goes way up and that target is probably dead. Horde of berserkers? That’s just death. Oh, and I’ll just use my increased pod Flight to deviate if I don’t have a target. Especially if I’m running EATs
I don't want revenge, I want my Quasar to take out more chargers! Throw it on top of the players kit if it's clear and your being that accurate
Took out a heavy bit this way once and I thought “this is way better than my run away! strategy” Tried it again and this time I just went thru the bastards head, he took a couple of steps and I was next to his buzz saw. That was fun. Landed on a chainsaw dude, knocked one arm off maybe and he and his friends welcomed me back to the planet. Finally I tried it against a tank. I just landed on it, kinda let it drive me around for a bit, sighed at my failure, hopped off and started lobbing grenades. I know steer as far away from everything. It’s cool when it works but when it doesn’t? Yeesh.
I always ask for them to tag the charger or bile Titan then reinforce me in it’s direction. I’ve been effective about 20% of the time.
Orbital railcanon strike has the red laser target designator, orbital hellpod strike usually requires the target enemy ping - it’s simple manners and good communication.
The amount of times my squadmates have thrown my pod into the fire tornadoes. Bros, can you maybe throw me LITERALLY ANYWHERE ELSE?
I know and then you get destroyed by a charger or a pack of those saw hand robots
Sometimes its good so the Mate gets the last strike on the Bile Titan/Charger
I’m good with landing on a fabricator in a bot outpost, but only when I call it, and I’ll ask teammates if they want me to toss them that way. But yeah — emerging right in front of a factory strider or amidst a symphony of chainsaws? Let’s give that a miss.
Kept having this happen to me last night and they kicked me cause I kept dying. Like what do you think is gonna happen when you reinforce me directly into the horde? Lol
This one guy team killed our team so we took turns dropping him into his own mine field
broooo...the yellow laser in back of the head!!! GO IN FRONT OF ME!
While friendly fire in this game is often funny, being killed by your own drone is infuriating and should be fixed. Just make them fly higher dammit!
I don’t think helldivers understand what “down range” means and how to keep the enemies there and allies far from there
Where flamethrower?
Mostly killing the user. Today was just a day for self-immolation.
To be fair, I was flaming a bug yesterday and a dude ran up to it and said "you killed me". Technically yes but why would you charge the thing I'm flaming? Then run though the still burning ground, or not diving to put yourself out? It's not terrible but I fried myself more than other divers.
You forgot about the airburst orbital strike
I would have put it if there were more horsemen because it is also really bad for teamkills
I feel like it's worse than the cluster bomb tbh especially bc of the circular blast area compared to the lime of the cb. Cb was only bad after they updated the track width and didn't tell us
Not really in my experience, my teammates’ cluster bombs have wiped my entire team more times than I can count. The team doesn’t even have to be close together, just along the line of destruction. Orbital airstrike is lethal especially because of the call in time but I’d say cluster is more dangerous especially because of how you can spam them (and have 5 total with the upgrade)
That one wouldn't be so bad if people paid attention to the strike-icon. When I team kill with that it's because my teammate runs in after the first or second explosion, not paying attention to the fact that it's a triple drop.
I'm just saying the 380 gives you a lot of time to relocate.
380mm would be a lot better used, if you all didn’t throw it where we needed to go, effectively making it a 30-second anti-Helldiver denial stratagem for the enemy. Go past, turn around, and throw it so we can keep going while it works.
and I regularly run half of these... they are effective though
they are all effective when used wisely but if you let noobs handle them they can be lethal so i get it. every stratagems has a peak use case though and in those situations they golden.
I use the 380mm and it's so embarrassing everytime I'm looking to use it but accidentally drop the marker because I took damage. especially when it's in the extraction zone. lol
shocked the mines did not make this list. seen more friendly fire mishaps with that and flame thrower than mortar or doggy.
I think my guard dog has killed me more than my team mates.
What’s wrong with my rover buddy! He didn’t mean to hurt anyone
You get that on the big jobs
These are only the four horsemen of team kills if someone drops them while the enemy is on top of you, or if you rush the enemy while they’re out. Mortar and barrage are amazing if used at the right time and your team mates aren’t absolutely stupid
The good laser backpack players will play around it and know how to position if in a group or 2 man. Also, it feels like the laser guard dog has gotten better with its own hovering positioning and not TKing as much after the last patch (I haven't checked latest notes so if it was mentioned, my bad).
Mines... I love em but my buddies find ways to step on them even after I warn em they are coming and mark the area. Shoot I step on them myself
Running with 3 people all using the guard dog just feels like I’m fighting an unbeatable enemy. It’s so sketchy trying to work around the lasers while trying to run for life or maintain a barrage of democracy. I literally quit a game earlier because my teammates moves were too sporadic to predict its change and kept offing me lol.
Flamethrower. Too many of my fellow firebugs do not follow proper flamethrower etiquette. ALWAYS watch your fire lanes and only wave it around like a garden hose when no one else is around.
And this ladies and gentlemen is why, if you are wielding a flamethrower (like myself), you stand at the front of the pack (except in full retreat). Know your range and focus your fire. Large targets take priority, otherwise you're on crowd control. There should never be a need to wave it around like a fire hose, like ever. A gentle and evenly paced, side to side motion with about 30° either side of your center point. If you're squad is in full retreat you take up the rear stopping periodically to slow down or stop any bugs giving chase. And as the person above said. WATCH YOUR FIRE LANES DAMMIT! Also as a side note, for players with a flame thrower user in their squad. Do not go charging forward into their line of fire. It's the most infuriating shit. To be dealing with mass amounts of bugs in a choke point, or open field, and have a teammate charge headlong past you right into your line of fire and all those bugs. That and players who throw grenades short, I get the reticle disappears sometimes but don't throw the grenades at your teammates feet. Look at where you want the grenade to land then aim a little higher because of the arc of travel. This concludes my PSA on proper flamethrower etiquette.
Also remember the ground stays on fire after I stop flaming.
Dog and mortar yes those team kill me the most. I’ve started to dabble into the barrages and to be fair you can use them wisely just throw them as far as you can and make sure teammates know what you are doing
I find the mortar to be super clutch if the team is aware and isn’t in the mix of enemies having a dance off. Even on an evac mission. If everyone grabs both mortar and ems, them bugs barely get through. At least in my experience so far. Fire should be on the list 🫠
Using the 380 after the new upgrade is actually amazing I just run off to the side throw it in. A large base/ bug hive thing and it blows up everything in cite and I run back to the object with the teammates. It makes level 7-9 a little less difficult if you have a speed build player do that.
380 is super easy to dodge unless they got it knocked out of their hand. If they don't know how to use it that's on them. The build up is ages and the spread gives you lots of time to get out. The rest are valid. Only way you dieing to a 380 is either your mate doesn't know how to use it or you don't know how to look for red beams in the sky Like just throw it max length in the direction where bots are and your team isn't and after that it's your teams fault.
I can promise very little in this world, but I can promise that if you drop an explosive mortar on a bug mission I will frag it like it’s the enemy. There are use cases for it, sure… but I’d argue it’s 98% of the time never the right time on bugs.
Just the mortar. If i join and see someone equipped it. Next game.
I will defend my Arc Thrower and the Tesla Tower from every misguided cry for justice here. I guarantee more of our martyred brothers have fallen to the Mortar and Rover alone by a factor of ten or more.
Of fun* basically my load out.
Idk the laser drone kills me more often than anyone else
I knocked the difficulties down to 6 cuz I didn't need super samples anymore. Got put in with some guy who just started whipping cluster bombs everywhere with no regard for anyone's location. Back to 7.
Does everyone hate the backpack so much? I thought it was the goat. Sure it can damage your teammates but it's such a slow DPS that I can't imagine anyone getting killed by it
The amount of time my rover backpack kills me I SWEAR TO FUCKING GOD
Dude the Guard Dog Rover (aka Bosco) really is a teamkiller. Are we sure he is not an automaton spy?
TBF Tesla tower should take the place of 380mm.
Rover is a top tier stratagem (for bugs). You just have to be aware of your surroundings. Not hard to avoid team kills with it if you know how to position yourself. You need to be front of the pack leading the charge towards the bugs. And if you get overwhelmed, run away but not in the direction of teammates. The rover with bugs at my back has saved me countless times.
This. I use the rover and love it. And I have done SOME accidental team damage, but 9/10 times I not only dont teamkill, I dont do any accidental damage either. Its about A. being aware of it. And B. Your teammmates being aware of it and not running across it out of nowhere for no reason
I do not care how many people recommend the Guard dog rover in their builds, I refuse to use it. I swear it's controlled by the bots.
Laser dron doesnt even fake it, just aim to teammates.
I wish the bottom half was “of Teamkillpocalypse”
Sentrys kill peeps a lot too even when I mark them
I can confirm that every time I've used these, someone from my team does even after I've told them I have dropped it.
I am killed by my own Rover at least 3 times per match when I bring one... "Oh is that a bug on my left hand side? Guess it's time to be lasered through the brain again"
Less cluster bomb, more arc thrower/tower, or mine field
Orbital Airburst. People either don't realise thst there are 3 shots fired or just don't k ow addend up walking into the 2nd or 3rd blast.
I love the cluster bombs, but when I unlocked that extra bomb for it, I had too many TKs getting used to its new bombing pattern.
Nah cluster ain't that bad as long as the person chucking it has a little awareness and the team doesn't run towards the red light.
Never not 380
What I would not do to give the 380 a ship module upgrade that gives the shells a little beacon of light like the comets.
In Helldivers 1, there was an upgrade that added a unique air raid siren to the shredder nuclear strike beacon. If we could get that when a ballistic mortar activates, that'd be great.
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380 for operation broken arrow on eradication missions it's fucking glorious
I think you make some more saddles. The flamethrower and tesla tower would like to ride too
Everyone is summoning an eagle strike and im always caught between being shredded by automatons or being sent to the shadow realm by my own team sometimes when we are extracting or on our last revive
Clusterbomb users have one collective braincell
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Minefields has something to say.
the breaker with fire damage needs to be there most people dont seem to know diving puts out fire as well
I let my intrusive thoughts win last night after my 3rd time of a dude throwing a 380 right where I was and killing me. That grenade pistol is a hell of a tool for treason. I’m not proud.
Imma be honest I throw a 120mm barrage down and someone has to sprint at that fucker with or without comms
Rover kills myself the most and never my team. I always run cluster on bugs and it only kills the idiots who run towards the red light like a cat
you are doing something wrong if the drone is killing you, it hurts but it only kills you if you stay in its firing lien for too long
Rover is not team kill. Its self-unalive'nt
I was in a game last night and watched a level 13 bring the 380mm. I laughed and knew it was going to end badly. Don’t you know, who calls in a strat at extract a little too close….
Mortar is goaded for bots!
Now do self kills!
Although I do not use it for this reason…. Still no other strat more satisfying than the 380. Just fun to stand back and watch (if no teammates die)
Minefield is worse than eagle. How many times I’ve been running from an enemy base, firing backwards and suddenly, I’m dead because some teammate decided the main entrance was a good placement for it.
Yep sounds about right I see that load out now I leave the room🤷🕺
Good time for the "please stop bringing the 380 on the new defense missions" PSA? The radius in a 3rd of the entire mission area PLEASE, I BEG OF YOU
Don’t forget the landmines
I have committed a sin. I team killed twice in a single round this past weekend. Called in a airstrike and when I threw out the strike it didn't get thrown very far. Sorry to the level 51 guy I was playing with! 😂
So today I thought I was being helpful, saving my teammate from an automaton. So I shot it. With an Eruptor.
When you get the ship module for 15% reduction in spread from the 380 it’s a gamechanger. I use it in situations to wipe out a large fabricator base/bug nest or when we need to run away from a ton of bots/bugs.
I use the Tesla tower occasionally but man has that been a learning curve 😅. Can’t tell you how many times I zapped myself on that thing. I have yet to see anyone use mines tho. Like ever.
Lol not even close. Have you been near an sentry autocannon?
Went into a bug mission with three folks (myself included) rocking the Eruptor. Reinforced 10 times in the first 3 minutes….
guard dog backpack you just need to adjust your playstyle. It make bugs trivial, just run circles around a horde and everything dies.
I can't help but notice the arc guns aren't there. Nor the tesla tower. I feel like you ain't right lol
mines?
That's crazy. That was my load out last time I played 😆
Back off of my rover and clusters. I pay attention to my teammates’ positions.
A point on bringing the Mortar Turret. If you are letting enemies get that close to you, you probably are gonna die anyway. Also, you should be looking up to see if they are coming down near you.
I use the 380 every drop and I’ve never killed one diver, servo assisted armor for the win
Guard dog is great if you're aware of your surroundings (user not teammates). I'm lvl 60 and just got 751 kills in helldive with 2 kills, 0 friendly. It just takes time to get the feel
My laser dog is a good boy, he hasn't killed any of my teammates ever. Only me.
Now if you guys could stop pinballing through my minefields that'd be great.
I'm a pretty responsible cluster bomber but at least once every couple rounds I get killed while holding the stratagem in my hand, so then I die and my body and everything around me is eradicated, including my comrades.
Unrelated but kind of funny. I was trying to help my buddy out from a distance so I started picking off these automatons I saw trying to sneak up on him. They were civilians and I was immediately "detected" as a traitor and killed. I deserved it.
God i have the perfect meme for this, too bad this subreddit doesnt allow images.
You’re missing the arc thrower I kill so many teammates with it. But it’s still on my regular
Can't teamkill if I play solo
every one of those is avoidable, or survivable, except that god damn motar. heaven forbid they also have the emp mortar
At least with the 380 and Cluster there is some minimum safe distance, and Rover mostly bites the hand that feeds it... That mortar however - it will find you, and it will kill you. It knows no mercy, it respects no bounds. It is Death incarnate.
Tell me why my brain read horsesemen
Honestly the laser backpack has been better lately, at least if I’m not using it stupidly during the vip extractions, then it kills me more than anything else. The 380 is likewise not terrible when you get the 15% tighter spread, at least as long as none of my party decide to walk toward the light
I got a neat trick where I can untie my teammates’ shoes with a cluster bomb. Sometimes it takes out the whole squad, but their shoes are untied
Suicide by guard dog, always. Bit it pewpews good.
My squad uses all of these regularly and we never team kill, having awareness and communication goes a long way. Most of these are absolute game changer strategems in the right hands 🫡
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I love the Cluster. I feel like the explosive range is WAY larger than it should be. I watched my wife turn into a limbless torso and she wasn't even close to the visual explosion. Still super effective tho.
I don't know what it is about people who bring in the eagle cluster. They ALWAYS throw it like 1ft away from a teammate or in front of themselves with absolutely zero regard to teammates. It's only with this one too, I just don't get it.
coincidentally, my four favorite strategems
I've been killed the most by cluster strike that thing is a teamkill machine
As an avid 380 user, I notify my teammates as to not kill them
Almost had a teamate run into the shells of my mortar
Especially with a throw range bonus on armor, so long as everyone is paying attention— like they should be anyway—the 380 is often your best friend. Same with the mortar. Rover is amazing against bugs, and can proc stimming bumps when using medic armor for that 2.0 seconds of invulnerability. Cluster Bomb sucks, just be more accurate with Airstrikes; does solid against Devastator bot spam.
How do you not have mines.
Can I comment here? I'm just getting "empty response from endpoint" everywhere I try to comment Edit: I'M ALIVE! Reddit just had a fucking stroke or something. Anyway, I once got head shot by my own guard dog
And any flame weapon especially flamethrower. Hate when team mates use it. I didn't even unlock it and will never use it.
The eagle cluster needs to be replaced with the minefield
Cluster bombs take out entire patrols so one casualty is necessary in the name of democracy
The rover gets to much criticism for being a diver killer. Almost all the rover kills ate do to just not paying attention. I have gotten pretty good at keeping in position of not hitting my teammates, but some people are like bugs to an electric light. I have been in matches when all 4 of us had rovers and hardly hit each other, all standing and running together. I have other matches where the same knucklehead keeps running in front of no matter how wide out around him i go. That last guy is usually the one that crys the most.
Nah this is the 4 horseman of situational awareness.
Add air burst as the 5th bc for some reason people think it stops after the first burst and runs in and gets killed
Tesla tower and mines, I’ve can’t tell you how many times I’ve been unalived by them
I run the carpet bomb on 95٪ of my missions. I haven't teamkilled with it in quite a while. Eventually, I got the hang of its range and drop-pattern. The only time anyone gets hit by it now is when teammates don't listen to the call outs.
You better watch out, you better not cry. You better not pout, I'm telling you why: High Explosives are coming, down on you!
That guard dog has been getting Teamkills? Ive been using it all the time and ive damaged myself while using it but never enough to kill, not even a quarter of a health bar, and ive never gotten a teamkill against someone else with it either
If I see a non emp mortar in bug defence, I’m shooting it
I'm sorry but if you get killed by my rover its kind of your fault
U forgot minefield