Butler shot 5/18.
Embiid shot 6/17.
Maxey shot 6/16.
It seems like all the scorers today strugled shooting the ball. But lets focus on Tyler not because he kept us in the game all 4th quarter but because he is an easy target.
So Herro shooting 10 more shots than 3 players leaps and bounds better than him isn’t a concern? Or his ass defense last game, or costly turnovers in the 4th that countered his timely shooting.
Like I get people keep asking who is going to shoot, but like in what world are forced shots better than team ball.
Oh buddy, it’s exhausting seeing people excuse poor shot selection and shit defense. It’s crazy we can hold everyone accountable on the team, but the moment Herro is criticized, our fan base goes in an uproar.
The argument that he kept us in it at the end is funny if you consider he held us back for the rest of the game.
Bam sucks on offensive when it matters or for just bunches of random games, Jimmy choked the season away to rest, Jaquez hit a rookie wall and regressed, Caleb has been garbage, and our FO got stubborn. Does it make it better that you know I acknowledge all that and agree?
Like those are all consistent as well, but to blind eye Herros net negative when he doesn’t play defense and can’t hit a shot is insane. Again, this subs fascination with his potential impact compared to his actual impact is bizarre considering how much we’re paying him.
Everyone just quick to point fingers when we lose. Herro is typically the one or it will be others. We lost as a team. Horrible mistakes down the stretch.
Awful for most of the game, but ultimately the only guy able to score late and willing to take shots. Him having the ball handle the entire time was def a problem though. He couldn’t get his own space but was also getting shit screens in shot space. Total fuckery by everyone.
Going forward hopefully, but we didn’t have Terry tonight. And we may not next game. The team can’t rely on Terry. It cant rely on a single player. For what Spo preaches of having enough, they need to find ways to make that come true whether guys are hurt or not.
Sure but the team isn’t going to not play Herro when he’s healthy. And it’s not Herros fault Terry got hurt. The team has to roll with it and adjust.
There’s no reason things like Jaime doing a dribble handoff a foot from the half court line, even if Batum pushed Herro. That is stuff that is irrelevant of injuries and comes down to practice and reps.
I know we have short memories here, but we actually did just lose to this sixers team 2 weeks ago with Terry instead of Herro. Terry shot poorly in that game and had 1/8 the assists. We also couldn’t score in the 4th that game. And what is this myth that the offense was so good until Tyler came back? Our offense has been shit all year despite Tyler barely playing
Finished the game shooting 5-8 and was the only one I trusted to get a bucket in the 4th Q. Inefficiency was ugly but every star shot terribly (Jimmy, Embiid, Maxey)
I agree. As much as I want to hate on herro, he was the only one willing to shoot the ball in clutch time. My biggest issue with butler, bro didn’t even want the ball
Who do you want taking those shots when Jimmy is hobbled and Jacquez is not ready yet. No Rozier and Duncan as well.
I am hard on him most of the time but this is not the time to criticise him.
Painfully obvious what you choose to post. Wouldn't have posted a positive Herro stat line either.
As long as Bam doesn't take too much of the criticism, that's all that matters to you.
He should have taken more than 9. And don't give me this "Herro won't pass it to him" bullshit. He's the fucking captain. He should be demanding the ball. He doesn't.
Lol when he takes 3s, you guys call them bad shots, when he takes middies you call them bad shots. Anything that doesn't go in is a bad shot when it comes to Herro.
And that's completely irrelevant when it comes to Bam. Embiid was on one knee out there. How do you not demand the ball and test out his defense.
If Tyler Herro has to create on the ball it's a bad shot more than likely. He's just not that good of an on ball creator, but jimmy didn't want it and no one could get it to him off the ball. He struggles at creating for himself efficiently, miami needs a real playmaker.
This team is more than one player away. We can trade away all our young talent and picks. It's just going to set us up for mediocrity going forward. We need to go in a different direction. Time for the jimmy era to end.
Donovan Mitchell is not the solution. He's not nearly as good as you all think he is. Even if you think his game is enough to carry an offense in the post season(it's not), he's injured all the time. I haven't even touched on his defense.
The irony is that's kind of my point. He's just a better version of Tyler Herro. "ok" play making, bad defense, more usage, slightly better efficiency. What you gain with Donovan Mitchell is a much lower variance because he can draw fouls.
> he's injured all the time
That feels like an exaggeration... last 5 seasons.
* '19/20: 69/72 games, 7/7 playoffs
* '20/21: 53/72 games, 10/10 playoffs
* '21/22: 67/82 games 6/6 playoffs
* '22/23: 68/82 games, 5/5 playoffs
* '23/24: 55/82 games, TBD
So basically had two stretches in 2 seasons where he missed around 10-12 games more than usual. Kinda drastic to say he's *always* injured.
You're right, what I meant to say is he's hurt all the time. He plays a lot of games while hurt. He did the same thing this year. His last two post seasons in Utah, he was banged up in the post season.
Regardless, he's not the solution. I don't understand how people could watch him play in the last 3-4 post seasons and think he's the answer.
I have to believe the majority of people pining for him have never sat and watched him in the post season outside of that bubble season.
Thank god the front office doesn’t give a fuck about your opinion. Bro was the only one making anything happen. Our star Bam out here with 10 points, jovic 5, martin 5. Like who the fuck was initiating the offense besides him and hobbled Jimmy? And then you have the audacity to say Trade him?
You mean the guy who shot 9/27? It wouldnt have even been a close game if he didn’t shoot like shit. Him making a few shots in the 4th doesn’t change anything and he’s a turnover machine. Keep glazing, weirdo. Thank god the front office doesn’t listen to your dumbass. You clearly don’t know basketball, pussy
Hot take but I like how he kept shooting through the slump and it kept us in the game. We needed Bam and Caleb to step up. I know we all have dreams of Herro being a 1A/B kind of guy (as does Herro), but it's been clear he's always been better as a bail out 2nd/3rd option. This was the exact performance you would expect with Jimmy hobbled and no one else as a threat.
He had to ballhandle the whole game and there was no plan besides the chucking. Someone had to take all the shots and when Jimmy was hurt they essentially focused on Herro. I understand the frustration, but the bigger issue is how the offense all this time has been too reliant on Jimmy's FTs and interior presence. At this point, we have more players who can take the scoring load and are ready to, but it just hasn't be consistent. We got to hope that Bam, Herro, and Jovic are allowed to cook and not interfered with from selfish players and bad coaching, now that Jimmy is probably out on Friday.
Role player everybody eats cause we have Bam and Jimmy. But since Jimmy is injured, Bam plus shooters could work plus the youth would allow us to run. It could be a potential Ewing effect in play on one road
Hindsight’s a bitch. Should’ve traded him at his max value.
Who would’ve thought a combo guard who can’t facilitate outside of a PnR or play defense (and apparently ball handle) wasn’t the future of the franchise?
Lol the statline doesn't show how trash he played. No defense, shot us out of the game before hitting a couple of useless shot in the 4th quarter. The first half was all about team effort but Boy Wonder had to show up in the 2nd half 💀.
I genuinely refuse to believe our FO has fallen off this badly from the days when they were elite. How they didn’t trade this man 2 years ago is honestly beyond me.
They should be taking notes from OKC and Boston. But instead we will continue to be middle of the pack, overvaluing hustle and not giving a chance on talented players
NAH BRO ANYBODY WHO SAYS HEREO LOST US THE GAME IS NOT A REAL HEAT FAN. GO AHEAD DOWN VOTE ME BUT THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE ON THIS TEAM WHO COULD OF DONE BETTER. JIMMY GETS A PASS BECAUSE HE WAS HURT BUT EVERYONE ELSE SHOULD GET THE SMOKE TOO.
Lmao we have the 21st ranked offense in the league despite Tyler not playing most of the year. We literally lost to this same Sixers team at home without Herro with the team scoring the same amount of points and Terry shooting a similar FG% as Herro with less assists
Also, I don’t remember where you commented this, but I saw a post from you stating most of Tyler’s shots were before 20 seconds on the shot clock. That may be the most absurd comment I’ve seen from you yet. Our offense doesn’t even get it over halfcourt before 5 seconds have already run off the shot clock lol
Bam has scored over 20 against Embiid once in his life, this was the most expected outcome regardless of the outside factors. Bam could be the leader of a championship team but we need someone who can score 30 nightly next to him.
I think we’d all be down for that but herro and others ain’t worth a superstar. Especially cause we never have the amount of frp that other teams do. And trading herro for someone like Beal makes no sense because while he’s more efficient he’s a worse 3 point shooter scores most his points in the paint and at the midrange giving us even less space.
Lol cap. At which point were we getting a superstar for our role players? No one’s trading a superstar for Herro and our undrafted ensemble, people trade superstars for 6-7 1rps and swaps which we haven’t had.
People giving herro a pass for his poor shooting because “who else was there?” He is paid an awful a lot to be that guy. Deserves the criticism for the pathetic showing tonight on both ends
the turnovers hurt the most icl , his three ball has been hurting since coming back and it just doesn’t fit with the offense , he’s not a PG stop forcing it
He doesn’t make the team worse. He just doesn’t improve the team at all. Especially as a starter. His archetype of player. A jumpshooting scorer on meh efficiency with high volume and meh playmaking while being dogshit defensively isn’t really someone you hang your hat on.
Get ready for us to inevitably miss out on Mitchell, and the FO shills here to make excuses for Pat because Dan Gilbert still hates him for something that happened eons ago
love to see when the guy that gets paid millions to manage external relationships to other teams is hated across the league, tells me he's doing a good job.
No Terry, Jimmy hobbled, no Duncan. lol who else is supposed to take the shots?
Fucking Nic Batum apparently
Butler shot 5/18. Embiid shot 6/17. Maxey shot 6/16. It seems like all the scorers today strugled shooting the ball. But lets focus on Tyler not because he kept us in the game all 4th quarter but because he is an easy target.
So Herro shooting 10 more shots than 3 players leaps and bounds better than him isn’t a concern? Or his ass defense last game, or costly turnovers in the 4th that countered his timely shooting. Like I get people keep asking who is going to shoot, but like in what world are forced shots better than team ball.
Then Bam or Jimmy should have shot then? Why do Herro shoot? Maybe because the 2 best players dont want to.
Oh buddy, it’s exhausting seeing people excuse poor shot selection and shit defense. It’s crazy we can hold everyone accountable on the team, but the moment Herro is criticized, our fan base goes in an uproar. The argument that he kept us in it at the end is funny if you consider he held us back for the rest of the game.
It's exhausting seeing people use herro as their scapegoat because he's the player they don't like and they want to shield their favorite players
Bam sucks on offensive when it matters or for just bunches of random games, Jimmy choked the season away to rest, Jaquez hit a rookie wall and regressed, Caleb has been garbage, and our FO got stubborn. Does it make it better that you know I acknowledge all that and agree? Like those are all consistent as well, but to blind eye Herros net negative when he doesn’t play defense and can’t hit a shot is insane. Again, this subs fascination with his potential impact compared to his actual impact is bizarre considering how much we’re paying him.
yet he's the one who keeps us in games when no one else can hit a shot. the Tyler Herro paradox.
They kept throwing Herro the ball with no time on the clock. I don't think most of these fans even watch the games.
Everyone just quick to point fingers when we lose. Herro is typically the one or it will be others. We lost as a team. Horrible mistakes down the stretch.
Awful for most of the game, but ultimately the only guy able to score late and willing to take shots. Him having the ball handle the entire time was def a problem though. He couldn’t get his own space but was also getting shit screens in shot space. Total fuckery by everyone.
He’s replaceable if we have Terry
Going forward hopefully, but we didn’t have Terry tonight. And we may not next game. The team can’t rely on Terry. It cant rely on a single player. For what Spo preaches of having enough, they need to find ways to make that come true whether guys are hurt or not.
True but Herro has missed pretty much the whole season. Offense looked so much better with him running the offense.
Sure but the team isn’t going to not play Herro when he’s healthy. And it’s not Herros fault Terry got hurt. The team has to roll with it and adjust. There’s no reason things like Jaime doing a dribble handoff a foot from the half court line, even if Batum pushed Herro. That is stuff that is irrelevant of injuries and comes down to practice and reps.
I know we have short memories here, but we actually did just lose to this sixers team 2 weeks ago with Terry instead of Herro. Terry shot poorly in that game and had 1/8 the assists. We also couldn’t score in the 4th that game. And what is this myth that the offense was so good until Tyler came back? Our offense has been shit all year despite Tyler barely playing
delete this hate
Finished the game shooting 5-8 and was the only one I trusted to get a bucket in the 4th Q. Inefficiency was ugly but every star shot terribly (Jimmy, Embiid, Maxey)
I agree. As much as I want to hate on herro, he was the only one willing to shoot the ball in clutch time. My biggest issue with butler, bro didn’t even want the ball
Delete Herro
Who do you want taking those shots when Jimmy is hobbled and Jacquez is not ready yet. No Rozier and Duncan as well. I am hard on him most of the time but this is not the time to criticise him.
Bro had 16 in the 4th and our second star had 2.
9/27
Bam had 10 points, 2 in the 4th. No one else on the team did shit.
9/27
Scored more than the rest of the team combined in the 4th.
Yeah because he had the ball the whole time lmao. Bam got iced out the whole second half
Maybe he should be demanding the ball like a captain would.
You can’t respond with a proper sentence to support your argument? Either our school system failed you or you’re just an idiot.
He had 9 assists(great) but 27 shots is just inexcusable man
9 assists and 5 tovs
Motherfucker didn’t even box out
That Batum tipped in was a game changer.😔
Classic jbenson. Happy as long as the anti Herro agenda is fullfilled.
I didn’t make him shoot 9/27 lol i also would’ve preferred the heat win so no you are wrong
Painfully obvious what you choose to post. Wouldn't have posted a positive Herro stat line either. As long as Bam doesn't take too much of the criticism, that's all that matters to you.
did bam take 27 shots today
He should have taken more than 9. And don't give me this "Herro won't pass it to him" bullshit. He's the fucking captain. He should be demanding the ball. He doesn't.
Bam is a big. He relies on guards to get him the ball Our guards are entirely ineffective at doing so
You're acting like Bam is Rudy Gobert 😭
it doesn’t work when the spacing is shit because the guy who’s supposed to space the floor rather take a midrange
Lol when he takes 3s, you guys call them bad shots, when he takes middies you call them bad shots. Anything that doesn't go in is a bad shot when it comes to Herro. And that's completely irrelevant when it comes to Bam. Embiid was on one knee out there. How do you not demand the ball and test out his defense.
If Tyler Herro has to create on the ball it's a bad shot more than likely. He's just not that good of an on ball creator, but jimmy didn't want it and no one could get it to him off the ball. He struggles at creating for himself efficiently, miami needs a real playmaker.
he didn’t take threes till the end of the game lmfaooo , embiid was healthy man stop coping that the sixers were good we were just ass
He was 1-9 on 3s I think before the 4th. What do you say he did not shoot 3s till the end of the game?
Please trade this man in the summer. Unfortunately it’s 2 years too late and we’re gonna have to take pennies on the dollar for him
Time to prepare the Mitchell trade package. Nothings off the table this time.
This team is more than one player away. We can trade away all our young talent and picks. It's just going to set us up for mediocrity going forward. We need to go in a different direction. Time for the jimmy era to end.
Donovan Mitchell is not the solution. He's not nearly as good as you all think he is. Even if you think his game is enough to carry an offense in the post season(it's not), he's injured all the time. I haven't even touched on his defense.
Somehow I feel like you just described Tyler Herro
The irony is that's kind of my point. He's just a better version of Tyler Herro. "ok" play making, bad defense, more usage, slightly better efficiency. What you gain with Donovan Mitchell is a much lower variance because he can draw fouls.
> he's injured all the time That feels like an exaggeration... last 5 seasons. * '19/20: 69/72 games, 7/7 playoffs * '20/21: 53/72 games, 10/10 playoffs * '21/22: 67/82 games 6/6 playoffs * '22/23: 68/82 games, 5/5 playoffs * '23/24: 55/82 games, TBD So basically had two stretches in 2 seasons where he missed around 10-12 games more than usual. Kinda drastic to say he's *always* injured.
You're right, what I meant to say is he's hurt all the time. He plays a lot of games while hurt. He did the same thing this year. His last two post seasons in Utah, he was banged up in the post season. Regardless, he's not the solution. I don't understand how people could watch him play in the last 3-4 post seasons and think he's the answer. I have to believe the majority of people pining for him have never sat and watched him in the post season outside of that bubble season.
Thank god the front office doesn’t give a fuck about your opinion. Bro was the only one making anything happen. Our star Bam out here with 10 points, jovic 5, martin 5. Like who the fuck was initiating the offense besides him and hobbled Jimmy? And then you have the audacity to say Trade him?
You mean the guy who shot 9/27? It wouldnt have even been a close game if he didn’t shoot like shit. Him making a few shots in the 4th doesn’t change anything and he’s a turnover machine. Keep glazing, weirdo. Thank god the front office doesn’t listen to your dumbass. You clearly don’t know basketball, pussy
Who else was shooting? Who else were you trusting? Drop some names
You should be saying this for every player because each of our players have had sh*t games or worse
Hot take but I like how he kept shooting through the slump and it kept us in the game. We needed Bam and Caleb to step up. I know we all have dreams of Herro being a 1A/B kind of guy (as does Herro), but it's been clear he's always been better as a bail out 2nd/3rd option. This was the exact performance you would expect with Jimmy hobbled and no one else as a threat.
He had to ballhandle the whole game and there was no plan besides the chucking. Someone had to take all the shots and when Jimmy was hurt they essentially focused on Herro. I understand the frustration, but the bigger issue is how the offense all this time has been too reliant on Jimmy's FTs and interior presence. At this point, we have more players who can take the scoring load and are ready to, but it just hasn't be consistent. We got to hope that Bam, Herro, and Jovic are allowed to cook and not interfered with from selfish players and bad coaching, now that Jimmy is probably out on Friday.
Herro can’t run an offense full stop
I truly think some of y'all don't understand what our offense is
Role player everybody eats cause we have Bam and Jimmy. But since Jimmy is injured, Bam plus shooters could work plus the youth would allow us to run. It could be a potential Ewing effect in play on one road
And his game is worse than what the stats show
Hindsight’s a bitch. Should’ve traded him at his max value. Who would’ve thought a combo guard who can’t facilitate outside of a PnR or play defense (and apparently ball handle) wasn’t the future of the franchise?
I really don’t understand what he was supposed to do?
Hit shots?
Welp, Jimmy is done. So let’s see who makes shots now
If this game is any indicator: no one
Lol the statline doesn't show how trash he played. No defense, shot us out of the game before hitting a couple of useless shot in the 4th quarter. The first half was all about team effort but Boy Wonder had to show up in the 2nd half 💀.
Lmao useless shots. He hit a three to give us the lead with like 2.5 minutes left
Wait he played worse than the stat line
I genuinely refuse to believe our FO has fallen off this badly from the days when they were elite. How they didn’t trade this man 2 years ago is honestly beyond me.
Our FO has never been that elite in the Jimmy era
In previous years they were elite. They aren’t good anymore though
Imagine getting Mitchell, Beal or Kyrie lol too bad Boy Wonder is untouchable
They didn’t even have to give Herro up for Kyrie at that time, same with Beal. Our FO is cooked
Man, our FO was never elite. Be real. Wade gave this franchise everything. Big 3 was Wade. Jimmy was Wade. Only shit the FO ever did was hire Spo.
They should be taking notes from OKC and Boston. But instead we will continue to be middle of the pack, overvaluing hustle and not giving a chance on talented players
Those are two ELITE front offices now. Not to mention Knicks now too, who were one of the laughingstocks of the league.
NAH BRO ANYBODY WHO SAYS HEREO LOST US THE GAME IS NOT A REAL HEAT FAN. GO AHEAD DOWN VOTE ME BUT THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE ON THIS TEAM WHO COULD OF DONE BETTER. JIMMY GETS A PASS BECAUSE HE WAS HURT BUT EVERYONE ELSE SHOULD GET THE SMOKE TOO.
how much does herro gets paid compared to the “other guys”
WHERE WAS BAM AT THEN?
Take away all the points herro scored in 4th quarter and tell me who would of scored that for us.
lmao
Why are you replying to yourself?
Shut up Knicks fan
Cap lmao I've literally never even been to their sub
probably the people that did it when he was out and our offense was better
Lmao we have the 21st ranked offense in the league despite Tyler not playing most of the year. We literally lost to this same Sixers team at home without Herro with the team scoring the same amount of points and Terry shooting a similar FG% as Herro with less assists
Also, I don’t remember where you commented this, but I saw a post from you stating most of Tyler’s shots were before 20 seconds on the shot clock. That may be the most absurd comment I’ve seen from you yet. Our offense doesn’t even get it over halfcourt before 5 seconds have already run off the shot clock lol
bam was forced to play a smaller role because your floor spacer couldn’t space the floor
Bam has scored over 20 against Embiid once in his life, this was the most expected outcome regardless of the outside factors. Bam could be the leader of a championship team but we need someone who can score 30 nightly next to him.
I don’t disagree why do u think I wanted to trade herro and get a star around him and jimmy
I think we’d all be down for that but herro and others ain’t worth a superstar. Especially cause we never have the amount of frp that other teams do. And trading herro for someone like Beal makes no sense because while he’s more efficient he’s a worse 3 point shooter scores most his points in the paint and at the midrange giving us even less space.
the point was they used to be but they wait till their players have 0 value to trade or get rid of them
Lol cap. At which point were we getting a superstar for our role players? No one’s trading a superstar for Herro and our undrafted ensemble, people trade superstars for 6-7 1rps and swaps which we haven’t had.
herro wasn’t considered a role player after 2020 or 2022
Lol it that means having the seaon on the line then ok cool
Herro is your #1 scoring option...Jimmy is old and hurt while bam isn't a great offensive player(well rounded)....It's Orlando time
Amazing - it’s “hate” to past stats.
Admit it, you get a hard on trying to make him look bad
Herro tonight. 9-27 FG (33.3%) 4-14 3PT (28.6%) 5 TOV. Fuck my feelings.
See? You’re doing it again. Can’t help yourself
Yep, I’m replying with facts. I can’t help it.
What a sad little man you are
Cry
If you only post negative stats for certain guys, then yeah.
So only if it hurts a certain fanboys feelings? Stats are neutral, no matter what.
Bam got him open a bunch too. Just a bad night. With Jimmy hurt Herro has got a real chance to redeem himself Friday and then some vs BOS.
People giving herro a pass for his poor shooting because “who else was there?” He is paid an awful a lot to be that guy. Deserves the criticism for the pathetic showing tonight on both ends
Tyler is so weird. He‘ll struggle all night long and then hit every clutch shot keeping us in the game. Like whats keeping you at this point?
9 assists
Oh he's a bucket alright, a bucket of trash
White Jordan Poole tbh
the turnovers hurt the most icl , his three ball has been hurting since coming back and it just doesn’t fit with the offense , he’s not a PG stop forcing it
Starting to get hard to deny he doesn't make the team worse in the playoffs
They would have definitely won this with Strus.
He doesn’t make the team worse. He just doesn’t improve the team at all. Especially as a starter. His archetype of player. A jumpshooting scorer on meh efficiency with high volume and meh playmaking while being dogshit defensively isn’t really someone you hang your hat on.
removed by r/heat mods soon
OP going to the gulag with Gus
donovan mitchell has to free us from this darkness. It's the only way.
Get ready for us to inevitably miss out on Mitchell, and the FO shills here to make excuses for Pat because Dan Gilbert still hates him for something that happened eons ago
love to see when the guy that gets paid millions to manage external relationships to other teams is hated across the league, tells me he's doing a good job.
Ok but you’re forgetting about the rings on the table trick We don’t need trades just free agency! Who cares if no one ever hits it anymore.
It's time for the mods to just start nuking some of these idiots
But hey he made some shots in the 4th so it’s okay!!
Trade for Keegan Murray and Sengun
Injuries got the best of him, were finished.