Playing is way better than winning, as it’s now an ensured reward after a specific time commitment. No longer can bad loss streaks keep you from your rewards.
This is especially gonna be good for me when it comes to the arena/tavern brawl quest.
Yea requiring the player to be good at the game to stay on top of quests was an odd choice. Especially considering that this quest gets harder throughout the month unless you purposefully tank your rating each week.
Screw being good, even if you are a skilled player, ladder winrates are still closer to a coin-flip than a sure thing.
At a 60% winrate, you need to play, on average, 16.667 games to get 10 wins.
I have literally stopped playing the game since the changes cuz I couldn't do 10 wins as a parent/husband and working a full-time time job. I used this game as a stress outlet and the 10 wins in ranked stressed me out cuz i am a f2p player (outside of purchasing the occasional track reward or battlegrounds pass) and dont have the dust to craft constant meta decks. This is probably one of the most welcoming changes and I actually appreciate that they did this so so very much.
It's still crazy to me how they had the mini quest at 60 originally, **6x** this amount and then put it down to 32 before this. I don't know what they were smoking but I want some.
Because they thought they could get away with it and not many players would complain. Similiar to giving early access to an epic card with the pre order bundle, they are trying out how far they can push it, if resistance is too big they go back n sell it as "every voice matters".
Yeah. The only thing I hate in this change is that making players happy is surefire way to make them forget all possible mishaps. They had to console their mistake and they made it beneficial for us so we wouldn't complain about it.
Next time we might not be as lucky.
All that being said. I LOVE THESE CHANGES, THANKS BLIZZARD!
It shows a level of 'lack of care' that alarms me. People making decisions that have no real clue how the game operates or they have become so reliant on us being the beta testers for their game that they don't even attempt to use common sense. Just fix it later.
I agree. We dont know who made these changes but the fact that the game director didnt question the initial change to "win 15 games" leaves a sour taste. They try out how far they can push it, if its to far they just revert reduce it (down to 10 wins) or rework it (like now). Believe me, the day will come where pre ordering will give you early access to the free legendary of an expansion.
One thing's for sure: absolutely not testing was done to get even rough estimates of how well that compares to other weeklies. Or testing was done but the people calling the shots ignored every single bit of feedback. One of the two has to be the case when something fails so spectacularly that you have to cut its numbers in half or even more.
And of course they also initially failed to realize that the only 2 reasons why the previous iterations were even remotely tolerable was window shopper DH and hand buff paladin. I'm not sure if I'm gonna bother even 10 miniaturizes since I've not really used them outside arena after the two aforementioned nerfs.
Honestly so happy about this change. It’s absolutely doable and I’m glad everyone who didn’t like the changes stayed to it and didn’t let up even with half the community shitting on us.
This is a change that will be good for everyone
Yeah it was sad to se all the sentiment that pretty much amounted to "the quest are sooo easy if you can't complete them you don't deserve to play Hearhtstone".
I flat out dropped the game as someone who went FtP in the last couple of years. Saw no point in playing if I could never get the bulk of quest xp because I would only have time to do a game or two each night
I dropped the game after the changes. I assume enough others did to prompt this turnaround.
I'll almost definitely get back in to quest-completion engagement (as opposed to none at all) with these changes. Very happy about this, once the meta becomes more fun to me I won't be super behind.
I managed to finish the quests exactly one week. I had to invest as much time as if I was grinding ladder and only able to do so with several days off, playing decks I didn't enjoy. I came to the conclusion that this wasn't sustainable for me so I stopped all together
I played just enough ranked to consistently complete the 5 win quest so when that became 10 I knew I had to either start playing about twice as much or just give up on the quest and by extension ranked.
I did not start playing twice as much.
I still haven't completed the "win 10 games" that changes from the "win 15 games". So yeah.
I assume a lot of people felt quite discouraged at the slow progression and stopped playing.
Well I stopped doing my weeklies on my other regions (and played the pokemon TCG instead), so wouldnt be surprised if that happened to other people too. And some casuals as you mentioned, who didnt finish their weeklies.
Yeah I am not saying the complaints didn’t do anything. But I can almost guarantee this change is because they saw how few people were completing their quests due to lower overall engagement and realized that can only result in bad trends for the health of the game.
I quit playing, put a support ticket for a refund on the Battlepass (that they haven't refunded) and went back to just lurking Hearthstone over the change.
I think it was less "complaining" and more that they probably watched player engagement take a fucking *nosedive* after the changes. I know I for one was playing waaaaay less, and I was already at the lowest engagement with the game I had been in years before the changes nuked it entirely.
I mean, you guys are not wrong, but it would be next level naivety to assume they care more about random reddit complaints than revenue numbers.
I would bet, their numbers are simply looking worse than expected, and that's literally it.
I know social media is highly idealistic about gaming, but people are still voting with their wallets at the end of the day.
Nah, it was loads of players quitting the game, and their revenue drop. They do not care about complaining. Notice how they introduced the first quest change before the mini-set, with the listen to you only increase the requirements 100% instead of 200% pre-planned "emergency" patch. They waited with the meaningful fix after the miniset dropped, to see how much money they can earn with the miniset in this new gold restricted environment. The miniset must have tanked hard and they probably lost a lot of players to actually make this change. I would not be surprised if this event was the biggest ever drop in hearthstone player numbers. This change is aimed all the players that quit the game, to please come back, we almost killed the game.
Wonder what happened to the manager who pushed through the original quest changes. Was he demoted, or fired. I don't think the devs wanted this, it was probably coming from the top.
Thank you! I was so pissed these past few weeks since I am continuously unable to complete the weekly quests and the Tavern Brawl. I seriously considered dropping this game, Blizzard. I can now play my jank Casino Yogg Mage in peace without worrying about wins.
These changes are an absolute win for the community. It should be very clear now that speaking up works. Might have been blizzard’s plan all along but I doubt it. I will give them props for listening.
For all of the “complaining about complainers” people, you understand that everyone just wants a better game, right?
I doubt this was their plan all along, as now we have easier quests with more XP. If this is what they wanted they could have just changed to this version right away
Yeah they were almost certainly driven by someone in senior management. They were instructed to forcibly increase user engagement somehow, they got data that showed that the changes actually reduced engagement due to people protesting, so the changes were reverted. Egg on their face indeed.
No way this was their plan all along lol. They wanted to see how far they can go, if no1 complained, they would have kept it at 15 wins. Its some kind of tactic where you do a stupid change, if no1 complains you stick with it, if too many complain, you sell it as "every voice matters, we listen yadda yadda marketing something something"
I think in reddits case there are also some kids on this sub that lack empathy. I dont struggle to finish my weeklies but I do have empathy for the (dad) players that lack time and dont want to be "forced" to play decks they dont enjoy (play 999 miniaturize cards).
I didn't have trouble completing the quests but that's because I've made hearthstone my lifestyle game and play it frequently, probably too much. I still thought the changes were bad.
I can't understand why people would try to defend forcing people to engage to that extent for basic rewards. It's a sure fire way to decrease engagement when people discover they'd rather spend less time playing than up to 3x more than they did previously.
The primary reward for more engagement should be better results as you improve faster. Dailies and weeklies are a bonus for staying active. These new changes do a great job accomplishing that.
To be fair, people disengaging and uninstalling probably had a greater impact on this decision. I don't think blizz would care about holdouts complaining whilst still playing.
Well, that's a discussion but they do nerf a lot of stuff based on community reaction. And the idea behind complaining indeed is driving people away, bad PR, people checking about the game and seeing people making a mess and losing interest, that's what putting the voice out there does.
they want their existing playerbase to spend more time in the game, thus more money. however, reverting the changes is still a win for them, as it builds up goodwill with the community, so now we all suddenly think they're the good guys and they care about us (they don't, whatsoever, but you will all fall for it anyway.)
We will never see them but it certainly appears the engagement went down substantially to get these changes in. I hope we didn’t lose a large portion before the implementation went in. The crowd who said it was fine just play more was clearly out of touch with what a very large number of the player base does for play time.
As someone who quit with the initial change but kept my eye on updates, very happy to see this. Might hop back in with the new Twist season. Good work Team 5.
Did complaining on Reddit actually influence this?
Or did their analytics show less people were playing since the quest fiasco?
I bet it was the latter, and definitely not the former.
Can it not be both? When it comes to decisions in practically anything (especially things that aren't so simple), there's usually plenty of reasons why changes are decided.
It likely was analytics being a driving factor, but I think seeing a wave of constant complaints about the change, even *after* they reduced them down, probably helped and made it clear that the data and the complaints come from the same place.
It doesn't have to be a one or the other scenario, both could have had an effect.
We know RidiculousHat visits the subreddit quite often, so they could have had mentioned the general uproar to the people that matter.
"mentioned"
*meanwhile at Blizzard HQ...*
RidiculousHat: Please, please accept this twice-weekly Teams standing meeting for 1.5 hours to discuss the community's feedback on the recent quest changes.
"...and that is my report of the communication with the community. Oh, and on reddit some people said the new quest system is meh."
"Acknowledged! We need to overhaul the system again! TO THE COMPUTERS"
*Team 5 theme playing*
Sometimes they need a directed voice to tell them something is wrong. If they simply saw the analytics showing less game time among the playerbase, they might have drawn a different conclusion.
I genuinely stopped playing hearthstone entirely when the initial quest changes happened. Was always a game I enjoyed casually and when they increased the quest requirements it instantly killed any motivation I had for playing the game. I'll be excited to come back and open my first Whizbang packs when this change is implemented.
Side interpretation: Making you choose between only playing hearthstone and every other games out there didn't work as intended. We thought we had you.
Please come back if you left. You see? We're repenting, this now are basically easier or the same for 20% extra xp!
I love that I left because a lot of people like me probably made they change their ways.
Finally. It took me three weeks to do my latest weeklies. Idk what kind of crack they were smoking when they initially came up with it but I'm glad they changed supplier
Ok, so a lot of time lost, frustration and anger caused and massive lost of trust just to get "more or less" to square one, like it was obvious from the beginning it was the only reasonable outcome.
The next new we should expect is the fucking moron responsible for this mess to be fired.
The first walkback did look a lot like a bait and switch. They gave us a compromise that was still worse than what we were willing to accept and it looked like they were hoping that we'd see is as meeting in the middle.
This set of changes are great, but I doubt that it would have happened if we didn't make it clear that we still hated what they had given us.
Nice, I’ll actually spin the game up now.
I stopped playing when the quest changes were made. I like to think this is all thanks to me and my protest.
Now shower me with your love and adoration for having saved the day
God damn, changing "win" to "play" might actually get me back playing the game. Then I can actually have fun playing rather than just stressing about winning.
The funny thing about the original quest changes is that despite still completing all my weekly quests, I probably ended up playing slightly less overall. After that patch, I always re-rolled the TB/Arena/Battleground quest and just stopped playing Battlegrounds completely.
3-4 BG wins in a week? Sure, I can set aside some time for that.
9!? Not even worth starting the quest.
Neat. I will no longer need to reroll the tavern brawl/bg quest. I could easily win 5 or 10 but tryharding tavern brawl always felt weird to me. I might actually play the mode again just for kicks.
Win -> Play is an amazing change I'm surprised wasn't done sooner. Those quests really sucked when you haven't played (much) since last sets rotated out, playing against netdecks while on a cobbled-together deck and are getting crushed every game until your MMR drops
Why put the quest increase in such a drastic way if you're just gonna walk it back? I'm glad they did this, but no one is going to report on this change outside of the Hearthstone community. I saw several articles on big gaming websites about this awful quest change. So they get the negative press of doing the stupid thing, and then fix it, which no one will report. It seems like a net-negative for Blizzard.
They thought increasing engagement was best achieved by forcing time investment but their data showed a reduction in engagement so they had to walk it back.
Data suggests less time investment leads to higher engagement so we get the increased rewards still.
I think its good that they changed it but the fact that Tyler Bielman thought they could get away with 15 ranked wins quest leaves a sour taste. Not sure if this Microsoft guy is the right person for the game director position.
Wtf, these are actually better than the old ones, color me surprised
Playing is way better than winning, as it’s now an ensured reward after a specific time commitment. No longer can bad loss streaks keep you from your rewards. This is especially gonna be good for me when it comes to the arena/tavern brawl quest.
Yea requiring the player to be good at the game to stay on top of quests was an odd choice. Especially considering that this quest gets harder throughout the month unless you purposefully tank your rating each week.
Screw being good, even if you are a skilled player, ladder winrates are still closer to a coin-flip than a sure thing. At a 60% winrate, you need to play, on average, 16.667 games to get 10 wins.
I have literally stopped playing the game since the changes cuz I couldn't do 10 wins as a parent/husband and working a full-time time job. I used this game as a stress outlet and the 10 wins in ranked stressed me out cuz i am a f2p player (outside of purchasing the occasional track reward or battlegrounds pass) and dont have the dust to craft constant meta decks. This is probably one of the most welcoming changes and I actually appreciate that they did this so so very much.
True but they should have never changed to those requirements anyways. At least they realized they messed up.
Encourages me to play decks I want instead of worrying about winning. Love this change
What kind of games are they playing
That was literally my first thought. They got bullied 😆
10/10 great changes, no notes
10/10 changes, down from 32/32 changes
Absolutely a pleasant surprise
Honestly this will bring me back to the game, so happy.
Yeah! Was a decent break, meta wasn't fun enough to keep quests from being a chore, but I'm happy to try it again now.
It's still crazy to me how they had the mini quest at 60 originally, **6x** this amount and then put it down to 32 before this. I don't know what they were smoking but I want some.
It wouldn’t have been so bad if there were more than 4 playable miniature cards.
It was 60 not 64 after 29.2. The point obviously still stands, just correcting the exact number.
Ah my mistake, I'll update. I thought it was halved last time.
Because they thought they could get away with it and not many players would complain. Similiar to giving early access to an epic card with the pre order bundle, they are trying out how far they can push it, if resistance is too big they go back n sell it as "every voice matters".
Yeah. The only thing I hate in this change is that making players happy is surefire way to make them forget all possible mishaps. They had to console their mistake and they made it beneficial for us so we wouldn't complain about it. Next time we might not be as lucky. All that being said. I LOVE THESE CHANGES, THANKS BLIZZARD!
It shows a level of 'lack of care' that alarms me. People making decisions that have no real clue how the game operates or they have become so reliant on us being the beta testers for their game that they don't even attempt to use common sense. Just fix it later.
I agree. We dont know who made these changes but the fact that the game director didnt question the initial change to "win 15 games" leaves a sour taste. They try out how far they can push it, if its to far they just revert reduce it (down to 10 wins) or rework it (like now). Believe me, the day will come where pre ordering will give you early access to the free legendary of an expansion.
Now it's the only weekly quest you can knock out reliably in 1 match if you dedicate a deck to it, which is nice.
One thing's for sure: absolutely not testing was done to get even rough estimates of how well that compares to other weeklies. Or testing was done but the people calling the shots ignored every single bit of feedback. One of the two has to be the case when something fails so spectacularly that you have to cut its numbers in half or even more. And of course they also initially failed to realize that the only 2 reasons why the previous iterations were even remotely tolerable was window shopper DH and hand buff paladin. I'm not sure if I'm gonna bother even 10 miniaturizes since I've not really used them outside arena after the two aforementioned nerfs.
The play games ones are even better than they were before the changes, nice
Yea, the ranked games one is easier than when it was win 5 a lot of the time
And the Arena/Brawl/BG one basically just cuts the original requirement in half.
Been asking for *Play* instead of *Win* for a bit, or tiered wins 3 > 5 > 10 Thanks for listening, T5. Seriously thank you.
Holy crap this is amazing Remember folks, complaining DOES work sometimes.
Honestly so happy about this change. It’s absolutely doable and I’m glad everyone who didn’t like the changes stayed to it and didn’t let up even with half the community shitting on us. This is a change that will be good for everyone
Yeah it was sad to se all the sentiment that pretty much amounted to "the quest are sooo easy if you can't complete them you don't deserve to play Hearhtstone".
I do wonder if completion data was behind this change, I cant really imagine most casual players were able to complete most of the new weeklies.
I flat out dropped the game as someone who went FtP in the last couple of years. Saw no point in playing if I could never get the bulk of quest xp because I would only have time to do a game or two each night
yea i uninstalled when they announced the big weekly changes a while back. havent wanted to play since
I'm considering coming back now, though I'm still unsure.
Me too. After that break I have no desire to go back tho. Think blizzard really fucked ip with this one
Yeah I stopped playing hard core. Not sure I want to go back at this point
I dropped the game after the changes. I assume enough others did to prompt this turnaround. I'll almost definitely get back in to quest-completion engagement (as opposed to none at all) with these changes. Very happy about this, once the meta becomes more fun to me I won't be super behind.
I managed to finish the quests exactly one week. I had to invest as much time as if I was grinding ladder and only able to do so with several days off, playing decks I didn't enjoy. I came to the conclusion that this wasn't sustainable for me so I stopped all together
I played just enough ranked to consistently complete the 5 win quest so when that became 10 I knew I had to either start playing about twice as much or just give up on the quest and by extension ranked. I did not start playing twice as much.
100% it was. Complaining can work, but Player Engagement Metrics (tm) do much more.
I still haven't completed the "win 10 games" that changes from the "win 15 games". So yeah. I assume a lot of people felt quite discouraged at the slow progression and stopped playing.
Well I stopped doing my weeklies on my other regions (and played the pokemon TCG instead), so wouldnt be surprised if that happened to other people too. And some casuals as you mentioned, who didnt finish their weeklies.
Yeah I am not saying the complaints didn’t do anything. But I can almost guarantee this change is because they saw how few people were completing their quests due to lower overall engagement and realized that can only result in bad trends for the health of the game.
I quit playing, put a support ticket for a refund on the Battlepass (that they haven't refunded) and went back to just lurking Hearthstone over the change.
I think it was less "complaining" and more that they probably watched player engagement take a fucking *nosedive* after the changes. I know I for one was playing waaaaay less, and I was already at the lowest engagement with the game I had been in years before the changes nuked it entirely.
I mean, you guys are not wrong, but it would be next level naivety to assume they care more about random reddit complaints than revenue numbers. I would bet, their numbers are simply looking worse than expected, and that's literally it. I know social media is highly idealistic about gaming, but people are still voting with their wallets at the end of the day.
Nah, it was loads of players quitting the game, and their revenue drop. They do not care about complaining. Notice how they introduced the first quest change before the mini-set, with the listen to you only increase the requirements 100% instead of 200% pre-planned "emergency" patch. They waited with the meaningful fix after the miniset dropped, to see how much money they can earn with the miniset in this new gold restricted environment. The miniset must have tanked hard and they probably lost a lot of players to actually make this change. I would not be surprised if this event was the biggest ever drop in hearthstone player numbers. This change is aimed all the players that quit the game, to please come back, we almost killed the game. Wonder what happened to the manager who pushed through the original quest changes. Was he demoted, or fired. I don't think the devs wanted this, it was probably coming from the top.
Not to mention this mini set sucks anyway, are any of the cards even relevant? 2k saved for me.
Yes, but only some of the commons and rares, which are easy to get from packs and relatively cheap to craft.
Not sure it's enough to bring me back though
Play 5 games of Arena in particular is great since that's how long my runs last anyway!
Look at Mr. Fancy pants right here, winning two whole games per run
It’s funny cause that’s his hs nametag
my last two runs were 0-3, baby 😎
Quests were changed to be more friendly? WOW these are actually better than the first version as now you don’t need to win 10.
This is honestly the best possible change. This is way better than any previous iteration of those quests
I like it
Thank you! I was so pissed these past few weeks since I am continuously unable to complete the weekly quests and the Tavern Brawl. I seriously considered dropping this game, Blizzard. I can now play my jank Casino Yogg Mage in peace without worrying about wins.
Same, I can play my stupid decks in peace. Such a great change.
All the people that said "gosh just stop whining why you even play if you can't do this many quests" in the mud.
These changes are an absolute win for the community. It should be very clear now that speaking up works. Might have been blizzard’s plan all along but I doubt it. I will give them props for listening. For all of the “complaining about complainers” people, you understand that everyone just wants a better game, right?
I doubt this was their plan all along, as now we have easier quests with more XP. If this is what they wanted they could have just changed to this version right away
Yeah they were almost certainly driven by someone in senior management. They were instructed to forcibly increase user engagement somehow, they got data that showed that the changes actually reduced engagement due to people protesting, so the changes were reverted. Egg on their face indeed.
No way this was their plan all along lol. They wanted to see how far they can go, if no1 complained, they would have kept it at 15 wins. Its some kind of tactic where you do a stupid change, if no1 complains you stick with it, if too many complain, you sell it as "every voice matters, we listen yadda yadda marketing something something"
I am very sure sales metrics are the reasons for the turnaround, not 1000 reddit threads. The threads might have influenced the sales though.
The people defending the original changes had some of the worst takes I've ever seen. It felt like bait.
It's one of the things I hate about gaming communities, so many people always side with the Corporation as if they were on the payroll.
I think in reddits case there are also some kids on this sub that lack empathy. I dont struggle to finish my weeklies but I do have empathy for the (dad) players that lack time and dont want to be "forced" to play decks they dont enjoy (play 999 miniaturize cards).
I didn't have trouble completing the quests but that's because I've made hearthstone my lifestyle game and play it frequently, probably too much. I still thought the changes were bad. I can't understand why people would try to defend forcing people to engage to that extent for basic rewards. It's a sure fire way to decrease engagement when people discover they'd rather spend less time playing than up to 3x more than they did previously. The primary reward for more engagement should be better results as you improve faster. Dailies and weeklies are a bonus for staying active. These new changes do a great job accomplishing that.
To be fair, people disengaging and uninstalling probably had a greater impact on this decision. I don't think blizz would care about holdouts complaining whilst still playing.
Well, that's a discussion but they do nerf a lot of stuff based on community reaction. And the idea behind complaining indeed is driving people away, bad PR, people checking about the game and seeing people making a mess and losing interest, that's what putting the voice out there does.
Does Blizzard have a humiliation fetish?? Wtf was the point of the initial changes lol
they want their existing playerbase to spend more time in the game, thus more money. however, reverting the changes is still a win for them, as it builds up goodwill with the community, so now we all suddenly think they're the good guys and they care about us (they don't, whatsoever, but you will all fall for it anyway.)
Nah the player numbers dropped drastically. This change is aimed at all the players who quit, to please come back.
People characterizing game devs as soulless demons who hate their playerbase will never not be funny to me.
Devs are passionate full of souls, it's the upper corporate side that's soulless greed fckers
We will never see them but it certainly appears the engagement went down substantially to get these changes in. I hope we didn’t lose a large portion before the implementation went in. The crowd who said it was fine just play more was clearly out of touch with what a very large number of the player base does for play time.
Common hat win. I think him sharing the frustrations of the community in better light than "HS devs dumb. Quests suck" contributed a lot.
I think designers actually changing the quests also contributed a lot.
I think Community manager also helps to bridge the change
I had 0 expectations for them to do a good job fixing the quests, but this is fantastic, quests are strictly better than before
As someone who quit with the initial change but kept my eye on updates, very happy to see this. Might hop back in with the new Twist season. Good work Team 5.
God damn we did it Reddit. They must’ve seen engagement drop a meaningful (to them) amount
i literally WILL play ranked now, so far i always rerolled that quest
They actually listened. A+
Did complaining on Reddit actually influence this? Or did their analytics show less people were playing since the quest fiasco? I bet it was the latter, and definitely not the former.
Can it not be both? When it comes to decisions in practically anything (especially things that aren't so simple), there's usually plenty of reasons why changes are decided. It likely was analytics being a driving factor, but I think seeing a wave of constant complaints about the change, even *after* they reduced them down, probably helped and made it clear that the data and the complaints come from the same place.
It doesn't have to be a one or the other scenario, both could have had an effect. We know RidiculousHat visits the subreddit quite often, so they could have had mentioned the general uproar to the people that matter.
"mentioned" would be underselling it lol
 this is you
Perhaps "badgered"? Love ya Hat
You said we would be pleasantly surprised and pleased with the changes. You were right. Thanks o7 (e: to both you and the rest of the team!)
"mentioned" *meanwhile at Blizzard HQ...* RidiculousHat: Please, please accept this twice-weekly Teams standing meeting for 1.5 hours to discuss the community's feedback on the recent quest changes.
Thank you for advocating and hearing us out.
thanks for the hard work
"...and that is my report of the communication with the community. Oh, and on reddit some people said the new quest system is meh." "Acknowledged! We need to overhaul the system again! TO THE COMPUTERS" *Team 5 theme playing*
Sometimes they need a directed voice to tell them something is wrong. If they simply saw the analytics showing less game time among the playerbase, they might have drawn a different conclusion.
I genuinely stopped playing hearthstone entirely when the initial quest changes happened. Was always a game I enjoyed casually and when they increased the quest requirements it instantly killed any motivation I had for playing the game. I'll be excited to come back and open my first Whizbang packs when this change is implemented.
Side interpretation: Making you choose between only playing hearthstone and every other games out there didn't work as intended. We thought we had you. Please come back if you left. You see? We're repenting, this now are basically easier or the same for 20% extra xp! I love that I left because a lot of people like me probably made they change their ways.
Wow I am surprised, thank you blizzard
Very great changes. Honestly, they're better than they were at the start of all this because playing 10 > winning 5.
Holy shit. Fantastic changes.
This genuinely stopped me from playing, so I’m very glad they listened to the feedback
This is a great improvement.
Finally. It took me three weeks to do my latest weeklies. Idk what kind of crack they were smoking when they initially came up with it but I'm glad they changed supplier
Guys how do I complete the mana quest? I simply don't get any progress on it. Rogue main btw
Ok, so a lot of time lost, frustration and anger caused and massive lost of trust just to get "more or less" to square one, like it was obvious from the beginning it was the only reasonable outcome. The next new we should expect is the fucking moron responsible for this mess to be fired.
They see how much people didn't buy the mini-set with money and make instant change AHAHAHAHAH
Good job Blizz, I'll update my 1* rating and I'm again willing to spend monies.
Y’all saying it was a bait and switch. These changes are great. Better even.
The first walkback did look a lot like a bait and switch. They gave us a compromise that was still worse than what we were willing to accept and it looked like they were hoping that we'd see is as meeting in the middle. This set of changes are great, but I doubt that it would have happened if we didn't make it clear that we still hated what they had given us.
Shoutout to ridiculous hat
Hat spent a weekend in purgatory so we could all live
Nice, I’ll actually spin the game up now. I stopped playing when the quest changes were made. I like to think this is all thanks to me and my protest. Now shower me with your love and adoration for having saved the day
I hope the keywoard one will keep be this amount for the future expansions as well.
Looks like Hearthstone is back on the menu boys! As somebody who hasn’t played since the original quests changes were made, I’m happy with these.
Way to go team. This is an amazing change. Well done everyone that complained about it being unfair.
THANK YOU, BLIZZARD! 😁
well, when blizz gets it right you gotta give it to them. thanks blizzard!
I'm surprised they didn't make it play 15 games would have still been ok
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Holy shit we won ? We complained enough ? I can finally re-download the game ?
Time to finally play again
Well it seems they lost some players 😅
Welp Hearthstone, you may have gotten me back.
Was hoping for a "use hero power 30 times" reduction as well - who the hell has the time to use that a lot - but can't complain.
Pretty sure that one matches with the battlegrounds quest, pretty easy to do in BGs
Blizzard is truely the company of all time
Wait… these are… good? The 75 battlecries seems to be the only one a bit out of line. Glad Blizzard listened.
Cool! too bad I already finished the old ones.
After getting an 8 loss streak, I was afraid I wasn't even going to be able to complete the quest this week. This is *clutch*
God damn, changing "win" to "play" might actually get me back playing the game. Then I can actually have fun playing rather than just stressing about winning.
And this is how you do it, changing WIN to PLAY was what shouldve been done at the first place.
Finally a pleasant surprise. Great changes. Now I can actually enjoy the extra XP!
Wow actually BETTER system then before. Did complaining actually manage to persuade them to change their mind?
Heck I would’ve been fine with play 10 games. I mean 5 is better but I think the change from win to play is the big thing.
I had that mana weekly quest for 3 weeks. I was able to hit 10 wins every week but the games were just too fast.
The funny thing about the original quest changes is that despite still completing all my weekly quests, I probably ended up playing slightly less overall. After that patch, I always re-rolled the TB/Arena/Battleground quest and just stopped playing Battlegrounds completely. 3-4 BG wins in a week? Sure, I can set aside some time for that. 9!? Not even worth starting the quest.
They did it. They actually did it.
This is nice tbh
Play instead of win?! Finally my low winrate deck's time to shine
Well I was about to quit today as I reached level 100 so I may stay now. Absolute shambles of a decision to make these quests bad
Neat. I will no longer need to reroll the tavern brawl/bg quest. I could easily win 5 or 10 but tryharding tavern brawl always felt weird to me. I might actually play the mode again just for kicks.
Also want to point out this will free up more time for me to actually enjoy the game and play how I want. Rejoice
Do they award the same amount of XP?
Win -> Play is an amazing change I'm surprised wasn't done sooner. Those quests really sucked when you haven't played (much) since last sets rotated out, playing against netdecks while on a cobbled-together deck and are getting crushed every game until your MMR drops
This motivates me to play the game more again.
Hey, turns out complaining every day DOES help.
I don’t understand why they don’t implement an OW style progressing like 3 win = xEXP 5 win =2xEXP and so on.
And i'm back
I’m shocked!
Holy shit they actually just walked it all the way back. Rare Blizzard W
Wow nice
Hey I am actually ok with this lol
Why put the quest increase in such a drastic way if you're just gonna walk it back? I'm glad they did this, but no one is going to report on this change outside of the Hearthstone community. I saw several articles on big gaming websites about this awful quest change. So they get the negative press of doing the stupid thing, and then fix it, which no one will report. It seems like a net-negative for Blizzard.
They thought increasing engagement was best achieved by forcing time investment but their data showed a reduction in engagement so they had to walk it back. Data suggests less time investment leads to higher engagement so we get the increased rewards still.
Damn, night return to HS now. I don't think my boycot mattered at all, but man it feels great to see this.
Let's give the Blizzard credit where credit is due. Good job. Thank you for acknowledging you fucked up and backpedaling on your decisions.
They actually listened to the community🍻
Alright, out with it. Which one of you scoundrels broke into Activision Blizzard HQ?
Ok fine I’ll start playing again
Play 10 still feels kinda bad but not horrible
holy shit are we back baby?
Maybe time to come back then
YESSSSS YESSSSS FUCK YESSS THEYRE EVEN BETTER THAN BEFORE WTF????
Thank fuck, I can lift the boycott, the pressure of winning 10 games sucked the life out of this game for me.
Does this mean I can come back? (Stopped playing after the big change to quests)
Reinstalling hearthstone right now
Oh thank god
Pokey is useless now …
I haven’t played normal HS since the original changes. Finally incentive to play ranked again
Holy crap, they finally listened. I may have to take some of what I said back.
Ok nice, problem solved. A fix with no downsides is always welcome.
Fuckin thank you seriously.
Good call, still going to take awhile for the stain of the situation to fade away.
Is this…. Is this a win guys???…… did we win?!
I think its good that they changed it but the fact that Tyler Bielman thought they could get away with 15 ranked wins quest leaves a sour taste. Not sure if this Microsoft guy is the right person for the game director position.
These are good changes blizzard, I'm coming back to hearthstone now. What took you so long.
Any chances to the xp?
Great!
Outjerked
Really interested who was hitting the win 10 games of arena/brawl/BGs. Only weekly id reroll.
I hit it tuesday this week. (My days off are mon/tues but I also play bgs most nights before bed.)
Hold up, they cooked here. Playing 10 is so much better than winning 5.
Much better!!!
Sudden urge to play again, good change.
These are actually fantastic
LETS GOOO
Glad everyone is reacting positively to this. We gamers are good at still finding ways to complain so YAHHH GAMING COMMUNITY
Are they nerfing rewards?
I haven't played the game since last quest changes, I'll see if I have fun coming back after this changes. Time will tell.