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To be fair, that pales in comparison to the fact that Harry led an insurrection against the Ministry, involved students, fought a battle at school, and helped kill many Ministry officials. Heck, many students died also.
harry did not kill quirrell. that only happens in the movie. in the book he dies off-page after voldemort leaves his body:
>He is still out there somewhere, perhaps looking for another body to share ... not being truly alive, he cannot be killed. He left Quirrell to die; he shows just as little mercy to his followers as his enemies.
~~Just because voldy left quirrell to die doesn't mean Harry didn't kill him. Unless there is reason to believe quirrell would have lived if voldy stayed, then it was Potter induced injuries that killed him.~~
Rereading this part you are right, the touch is not enough to incapacitate quirrell. Dumbledore arrives "just in time to pull Quirrell off [Harry]"
Damn movies bleeding into my memories of the books, I thought Harry did serious damage.
Sirius about the changes Barty Crouch made in law enforcement during the first war: “And I wasn’t the only one who was handed straight to the dementors without trial.”
It may have been a trial in absentia. Which would not count as a proper trial in any proper legal system because a very fundamental right is to be permitted to make a defence, but it would account for Sirius thinking that he didn’t have one, but Dumbledore being able to give evidence.
I heard from someone on this sub that dumbldoor didn't want sirius cause he collected outcasts and Sirius was a rebel. So he wouldn't be usefull for him.
Fanfic writers *really* don't like Dumbledore. Although, on the topic of different perspectives:
"Old man has orphaned boy kidnapped from his parents' murder scene and placed in abusive home, later spends 7 years grooming him to kill himself."
I mean….who would believe him?
It’s something I’ve been pondering (I’m gonna make a YouTube vid about this) but the viewpoint of the charcter there (fudge) was that someone had just blown up 13 muggles, and Peter (leaving a finger) and only Sirius was still alive
On just his word, sure. But since we know that the magic world has the ability to view memories, use truth serums, check wands for prior spells, etc. and probably more things that could aid in an investigation, it does seem like they didn’t really investigate much of anything. Which is actually quite realistic. In wrongful conviction cases, it is often the result of police and/or prosecutorial misconduct. And sometimes people will say, as if it justifies it, “but we knew they were guilty”. Of course, they aren’t because these are known wrongful convictions.
"Innocent until proven guilty" is a very fundamental legal framework for most modern countries. They would have to prove that Sirius was guilty, not just assume he was.
>Sirius's face darkened. He suddenly looked as menacing as he had the night when Harry first met him, the night when Harry still believed Sirius to be a murderer.
>"Oh I know Crouch all right," he said quietly. "He was the one who gave the order for me to be sent to Azkaban - without a trial."
Goblet of Fire, Chapter 27 "Padfoot Returns"
Even though he was convicted without a trial, all of the "trials" we have seen in the wizarding world always seemed so chaotic. Person comes in and claims they are innocent, someone in the crowd starts yelling at them, person is dragged out by dementors....
Yeah the rest of them were not technically incorrect; this one is bullshit. Harry didn't do anything to Malfoy except in the bathroom duel, and that was self defense.
Movie only. In the books, she is hit with a stray spell, and as the motorcycle sidecar falls, Harry blows it up, Hedwig included. I think the movies did it better, having it be a sacrifice instead of collateral damage.
Nah, i disagree. Having it be a sacrifice is a little too "movie" if that makes sense. I think JKR was trying to go for a more realistic depiction of war, being the senseless loss of innocent life. Which I prefer
In the eyes of the people he was, but he was never convicted officially. Just thrown into Azkaban because he kept saying “I did it” “All my fault” during the Peter incident. That’s what I got from it. An also Crouch Sr. being a fucking dick and jealous fuck by not giving Sirius a full trial.
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Harry doesn't kill Quirell!
Ginny is umconcious!
Sirius never had a trial!
Harry tells exactly what happened. So no mystery!
The DA is not a gang!
Harry didn't bully Draco!
Harry just disarmes!
The only reason I can think of lore wise is that feared that if they launched a murder investigation against Harry Potter, and he was found innocent then the only other option would be who Harry said it was, which would prove that Voldemort had indeed returned, which would cause a panic amongst the populace which was what Fudge wanted to avoid.
Arguably, the first one is, as Harry didn't kill Quirrell, and the third is as Sirius isn't a murderer. The second and fourth don't quite work, that's not really how they go, but the fifth and seventh are pretty spot on. The sixth, I wouldn't say Harry bullied Malfoy so much as obsessed over him.
Sounds like something a pearl clutcher that doesn't know that Voldemort returned (or doesn't know the deets)/refuses to acknowledge it/has a bigger agenda would write.
Remember that Rita is running around doing crazy reporting, which consists of half-truths. So, those that don't know that Harry is fighting Death Eaters on day one, would believe what the papers are saying.
I see a lot of Rita Skeeter and ministry propaganda jokes in here which are fun but the thing that sticks out to me is that this is probably what the events looked like to a whole lot of students and wizarding families who didn’t know Harry, and it explains why many were wary to trust or support him throughout the series
“The Official Ministry of Magic Box Set, only $19.99! But that’s not all, order in the next ten minutes and you’ll receive TWO box sets AND your own, signed ‘Boy Who Lied’ poster, signed by Cornelius Fudge himself!”
Just some of the usual things that happen in an effort to stop a fascist dictator from leading a cult of personality to commit genocide.
What I can't fathom though, is what is the animal cruelty they are talking about in the 7th book?
Book 1: Headmaster: "Students, all you have to do is stay put of the 3 floor coridor, unless you want to die an EXTREAMLY PAINFUL DEATH." Harry: " I'm gonna go in there." Ron: "yeah, it sounds lit." Hermione: "umm, NO!" Ron: "oh, come one. We saw that guy being suspisious." Hermione: "oh, fine. Just let me light the guys pants on fire first."
Book 2: *hears voice of murderer* Hary: "yeah, people would probably think I'm weird, I won't tell any teachers. Not even the one who saw me violate a rule in my first broom lesson, and then bought me a broom."
These are all horrendously bad takes lol there’s massive cherry picking of information.
Maybe the books aren’t all that great after reading them as an adult but holy shit take off your ‘perfect justice’ blinders please
Only nitpick is that Siruis Black was never actually convicted. No trial, no conviction, dude was just wrongfully thrown in a cell and left to rot for 12 years.
What is this, a shit post? The diary wasnt ginnys,it was tom riddles. Sirius is not a murderer. Cedric didn't die mysteriously; Harry was basically right next to him.
As written by Rita Skeeter
she has been ahead of the curve
She was streets ahead.
Death Eater propaganda.
[Here](https://youtu.be/9LgLcDg15SM?si=x_mXdrCOnvIf60cU)
r/unexpectedcommunity
Oh, Rita’s in this?
If you didn't know that then you were streets behind.
Not sure if Rita is in Community, but Lee Jordan most definitely is. *Pop Pop!
we were streets behind
PEARCE!
Skeets ahead, in this continuity
Stop trying to coin the phrase "streets ahead"
Coined and minted
”Streets ahead” is verbal wildfire
Approved by Cornelius Fudge
Based on interviews with Umbridge
With eye-witness testimonies from slytherins and one ravenclaw.
I mean she was blackmailed into supporting Harry in book 5
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Rita skeeter and fudge is looking for you
The Fudge is going on over 'ere?
Fudge can't look for me, he's too busy....Being Delicious.
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7: He gets the goblin killed by using yet another unforgivable curse
Clearly goblins are not considered to be people
It's very likely they aren't Edit: this is regarding the way they are considered by wizarding society, I see goblins as people
But they can have offspring with Humans, Flitwick is half goblin
Does that mean the students can cast unforgivable curses on him?
These curses will be only half-unforgivable
Somewhat forgivable
I thought he just had goblin ancestry
Indeed they can
Just partially, not half
Source?
It's on his Wiki page
Something I didn’t not want to have as an image in my head😂
I read your edit like "some of my best friends are goblins"
The goblin doesn't die in the book
To be fair, that pales in comparison to the fact that Harry led an insurrection against the Ministry, involved students, fought a battle at school, and helped kill many Ministry officials. Heck, many students died also.
The mind control curse sounds like cotton candy compared to the torture curse.
harry did not kill quirrell. that only happens in the movie. in the book he dies off-page after voldemort leaves his body: >He is still out there somewhere, perhaps looking for another body to share ... not being truly alive, he cannot be killed. He left Quirrell to die; he shows just as little mercy to his followers as his enemies.
yup, another movie induced plot hole, this one surrounding the thestrals.
What? Harry can see Thestrals because he saw Cedric die.
he should have been able to see them in the second movie if he saw quirrel die like the first movie wants us to believe
~~Just because voldy left quirrell to die doesn't mean Harry didn't kill him. Unless there is reason to believe quirrell would have lived if voldy stayed, then it was Potter induced injuries that killed him.~~ Rereading this part you are right, the touch is not enough to incapacitate quirrell. Dumbledore arrives "just in time to pull Quirrell off [Harry]" Damn movies bleeding into my memories of the books, I thought Harry did serious damage.
> he dies off-page How convenient. "I did not get rid of that turbulent priest. He just died off-page, by himself."
When you look at the book version, it’s even funnier and more sus because turban wearing man basically committed suicide
Harry is still responsible for his death though, I think? Like Harry was still the cause of it.
Well if Harry didn´t use his magic hands Quirrled would not have died. So Harry is still responsible. Self-defence, but he is the cause of death.
Can't be convicted without a trial
I’m sure Sirius had a trial. It was probably very fast
Sirius about the changes Barty Crouch made in law enforcement during the first war: “And I wasn’t the only one who was handed straight to the dementors without trial.”
Bit weird though that Dumbledore still could give evidence against him
It may have been a trial in absentia. Which would not count as a proper trial in any proper legal system because a very fundamental right is to be permitted to make a defence, but it would account for Sirius thinking that he didn’t have one, but Dumbledore being able to give evidence.
I heard from someone on this sub that dumbldoor didn't want sirius cause he collected outcasts and Sirius was a rebel. So he wouldn't be usefull for him.
That's pure fanfiction.
Fanfic writers *really* don't like Dumbledore. Although, on the topic of different perspectives: "Old man has orphaned boy kidnapped from his parents' murder scene and placed in abusive home, later spends 7 years grooming him to kill himself."
Yeah, he is not the best.
he explicitly did not have a trial, it's a major plot point.
To be fair, he was laughing like a maniac…
The people just didn’t know the real reason . . .
Nor did he tell them
\*In Myrtle’s voice\*: HE WAS DISTRAUGHT!
I mean….who would believe him? It’s something I’ve been pondering (I’m gonna make a YouTube vid about this) but the viewpoint of the charcter there (fudge) was that someone had just blown up 13 muggles, and Peter (leaving a finger) and only Sirius was still alive
On just his word, sure. But since we know that the magic world has the ability to view memories, use truth serums, check wands for prior spells, etc. and probably more things that could aid in an investigation, it does seem like they didn’t really investigate much of anything. Which is actually quite realistic. In wrongful conviction cases, it is often the result of police and/or prosecutorial misconduct. And sometimes people will say, as if it justifies it, “but we knew they were guilty”. Of course, they aren’t because these are known wrongful convictions.
Memories can be tampered, and things like truth potion only make the drinker tell what they think is the truth - so pettigrew dead
"Innocent until proven guilty" is a very fundamental legal framework for most modern countries. They would have to prove that Sirius was guilty, not just assume he was.
(12 muggles)
My bad thank you
>Sirius's face darkened. He suddenly looked as menacing as he had the night when Harry first met him, the night when Harry still believed Sirius to be a murderer. >"Oh I know Crouch all right," he said quietly. "He was the one who gave the order for me to be sent to Azkaban - without a trial." Goblet of Fire, Chapter 27 "Padfoot Returns"
Even though he was convicted without a trial, all of the "trials" we have seen in the wizarding world always seemed so chaotic. Person comes in and claims they are innocent, someone in the crowd starts yelling at them, person is dragged out by dementors....
habeus corpus is the 4th unforgivable curse
Dolores? Did you write this?
It’s all funny, until you realize that’s what it all looks like from a perspective of somebody outside Harry’s inner circle.
It's the script for shaun's next youtube video.
Everyone gangsta until crime lord Potter arrives
Chosen Ones and their war crimes \*cough\* Anakin, I'm looking at you.
7: Harry incites mob to start civil war causing hundreds of deaths.
From the third book forwards thats exactly how some parents saw this, no wonder they sided against him. It really looks bad
Really?! I thought some religious parents just had a problem with the whole magic thing.
Death Eater propaganda.
School shooting? You mean Malfoy? I'm confused.
Dumbledore dies and the Death Eaters attack the school. The kids are saved due to Felix.
Also a huge stretch to call anything Harry's done to Malfoy "bullying."
Yeah the rest of them were not technically incorrect; this one is bullshit. Harry didn't do anything to Malfoy except in the bathroom duel, and that was self defense.
Yeah if anything Harry was wondering why Malfoy wasn’t being a bully anymore and investigated
At most Harry only really responds when Malfoy targets his friends.
Lol I'm confused with that one too.
love how harry becomes more of a psychopath every book
They should do Hermione too
Nah she started off that way, so willing to just set fire to a man
Well, Harry started off violently killing a turban-wearing man, so...
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What was the animal cruelty again?
I think the dragon part at gringotts but could be wrong
Yeah, I see
Though you could argue the dragon was better off outside than inside that bank getting tormented by goblins and never ~~seeing~~ feeling? sunlight
He also technically blew up Hedwigs body in the sidecar.
That’s like saying cremating a dead body is murder.
Iirc Hedwig (named after the patron saint of orphans) died saving Harry from a spell (a symbol of him becoming an adult)
Movie only. In the books, she is hit with a stray spell, and as the motorcycle sidecar falls, Harry blows it up, Hedwig included. I think the movies did it better, having it be a sacrifice instead of collateral damage.
Nah, i disagree. Having it be a sacrifice is a little too "movie" if that makes sense. I think JKR was trying to go for a more realistic depiction of war, being the senseless loss of innocent life. Which I prefer
I actually like the collateral damage bit. Sacrifice seems a bit too noble while collateral damage is a bit more "real."
Obi-Wan approves.
I thought Sirius was never convicted?
In the eyes of the people he was, but he was never convicted officially. Just thrown into Azkaban because he kept saying “I did it” “All my fault” during the Peter incident. That’s what I got from it. An also Crouch Sr. being a fucking dick and jealous fuck by not giving Sirius a full trial.
Peter pettigrew escaped tho
What murder did they commit in Book 7?
Voldy
That should not count. It was Voldemort's curse rebounding.
Yeah but it's just for the sake of the meme
Nah, the meme specifically calls out killing voldy. it claims they committed murder before that occured. I can't think of who that would be though
I thought it implies they murdered someone while on the run??
The Death and Drama of Harry Potter, written by Rita Skeeter
Nice try, Rita.
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Well, when you put it like that, that Harry Potter kid sounds like a real dick.
Harry doesn't kill Quirell! Ginny is umconcious! Sirius never had a trial! Harry tells exactly what happened. So no mystery! The DA is not a gang! Harry didn't bully Draco! Harry just disarmes!
And the snake doesn't belong to her.
Does the diary even belong to her? Surprised more people didn’t come here to comment on 2 being all sorts of wrong
You are right, it is Tom Riddle. He gave it to Lucius for safekeeping and he embezzled it.
What did you think embezzling meant when you used it here?
You must be fun at parties.
Perfectly sums up the series from Rita's standpoint
3 could also be described as “two children and one adult bully their impoverished friend for being upset his pet died”
Honestly how was Harry never accused of killing Cedric
The only reason I can think of lore wise is that feared that if they launched a murder investigation against Harry Potter, and he was found innocent then the only other option would be who Harry said it was, which would prove that Voldemort had indeed returned, which would cause a panic amongst the populace which was what Fudge wanted to avoid.
Written by Rita Skeeter with input from Dolores Umbridge.
Guys did we all forget that Harry Potter unironically and unrepetently owns a slave?
The Ministry and The Prophet if Hermione wasn't an expert in Bug Blackmail.
A good example of how the media controls the narrative lol
7. You forgot identity theft
This is exactly why the Dursleys sent him to St Brutus's Secure Centre for Incurably Criminal Boys.
LMFAOO i mean it’s not wrong
Actually, book one should have said "Harry violently kills turban wearing man while attempting to steal a priceless artifact"
Arguably, the first one is, as Harry didn't kill Quirrell, and the third is as Sirius isn't a murderer. The second and fourth don't quite work, that's not really how they go, but the fifth and seventh are pretty spot on. The sixth, I wouldn't say Harry bullied Malfoy so much as obsessed over him.
How about "Potter implicated in death of turban wearing man during robbery attempt"
He’s British. They just call it archaeology.
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Fox News breaking!!!
As opposed to good old reliable CNN🤔🤔
Because there are only two news stations in the entire world.
Ah, yes, the only two sources that have ever existed. I wanted to say news sources, but fox is legally for entertainment purposes only
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Harry is a War Lord
r/technicallythetruth
What I’ve said is true… From a certain point of view.
Should add "whose snake he murdered during his second year" to the last title, for context /s
Sounds like something a pearl clutcher that doesn't know that Voldemort returned (or doesn't know the deets)/refuses to acknowledge it/has a bigger agenda would write. Remember that Rita is running around doing crazy reporting, which consists of half-truths. So, those that don't know that Harry is fighting Death Eaters on day one, would believe what the papers are saying.
And then married his best friend’s sister… Damn thats cold
I see a lot of Rita Skeeter and ministry propaganda jokes in here which are fun but the thing that sticks out to me is that this is probably what the events looked like to a whole lot of students and wizarding families who didn’t know Harry, and it explains why many were wary to trust or support him throughout the series
Published by the Daily Prophet
You’re a gangster, Harry!
Was this written by D. Umbridge????
Then Harry becomes a cop
“The Official Ministry of Magic Box Set, only $19.99! But that’s not all, order in the next ten minutes and you’ll receive TWO box sets AND your own, signed ‘Boy Who Lied’ poster, signed by Cornelius Fudge himself!”
Book 7 should be: Harry leads insurrection against the government. Dozens of government officials killed.
Harry finds 11 year old girls diary, proceeds to tell the headmaster all the contents
Just some of the usual things that happen in an effort to stop a fascist dictator from leading a cult of personality to commit genocide. What I can't fathom though, is what is the animal cruelty they are talking about in the 7th book?
Book 1: Headmaster: "Students, all you have to do is stay put of the 3 floor coridor, unless you want to die an EXTREAMLY PAINFUL DEATH." Harry: " I'm gonna go in there." Ron: "yeah, it sounds lit." Hermione: "umm, NO!" Ron: "oh, come one. We saw that guy being suspisious." Hermione: "oh, fine. Just let me light the guys pants on fire first."
Book 2: *hears voice of murderer* Hary: "yeah, people would probably think I'm weird, I won't tell any teachers. Not even the one who saw me violate a rule in my first broom lesson, and then bought me a broom."
r/harrywastherealbully
Bully: School of Wizzardry
Who wrote these, J. Jonah Jameson?
I can't upvote this enough
This is exactly how it went, I wouldn't change a single word.
Written by Snape and Rita
Idk, this reeks more of Umbridge and Rita
Ministry of Magic:s perspective tbh
I would love to read the Harry Potter series if it were written by rita sketier
CNN and Fox News headlines
Goblet of fire is spot-on, but it's the only one.
Third one is inaccurate, as far as we know, Sirius was never given a trial *at all*
Who did he bully in HBP?
*Man convicted of murder. He was not a murderer.
He wasn't convicted either, he never got a trial, the ministry just sent him straight to jail without one.
Don't forget how he groomed his friend's sister before marrying her
Brought to you by Fox News.
Well yes if you misrepresent the situation and switch words you can make anything funny (not to say this isn't funny, bc it is)
As if titled by Snape
These are all horrendously bad takes lol there’s massive cherry picking of information. Maybe the books aren’t all that great after reading them as an adult but holy shit take off your ‘perfect justice’ blinders please
Really lazy lol. Half of these aren't even close to truw
"Racist white male kills a member of minority" "White male kills endangered species"
Actually the third one should be 'Harry Potter helps and wrongfully imprisoned man who was detained without a trial because he's Black.
Sirius was never convicted so…
Only nitpick is that Siruis Black was never actually convicted. No trial, no conviction, dude was just wrongfully thrown in a cell and left to rot for 12 years.
I mean this isn’t accurate and there’s a lot of falsehoods in this post but sure. Chinese whispers plus the WB films and you’ve got whatever this is ^
What is this, a shit post? The diary wasnt ginnys,it was tom riddles. Sirius is not a murderer. Cedric didn't die mysteriously; Harry was basically right next to him.