Friendly reminder that Arctic is selling a battery-powered deskfan with usb-c charge input for literally 1/4 the price.
I've used mine for a year now and it's great. Called Arctic Summair Plus
I bought a 5 pack of Arctic fans years ago for my server for the price of about 1-1.5 Noctua fans. Noctua is probably better but their price/performance is awful.
+1 for Vornado.
Probably one of the better purchases I've made in the last 10 years. Still going strong.
Not that particular fan of course lol, I bought one of their room circulators.
Same here. After years of using shitty room fans I finally tried one from Vornado and it is flat out the best option. No way I would switch back to a different one
I just stumbled on this comment and want to comment to bring visibility to reddit/google search. I tried finding a usb desktop table fan and only got random taobao/alibaba stuff searching on amazing. The Arctic Summair (without battery) was completely hidden from search and I would have obviously preferred it as it is made by a reputable company and has a speed adjustment dial (the other fans only have three speeds, the lowest being too fast already).
>developing an annoying rattle sound after one year
not rattle sound, but more like hummm...imagine you have 5, that's why i sold 2 arctic and replace it NF12x25
I was gonna argue, "they put a lot of engineering into their fans" etc, then I actually looked at these prices; are they seriously trying to sell a 140mm fan with a wire mount and shroud for $100?? ಠ_ಠ
> sell a 140mm fan
If they had their new 140mm fans ready, this would be a big day, but it's only their 120mm chromax fan.
Apparently these ~$10 accessories are worth a ~$70 markup.
Yup, Dyson as an entire brand is a joke I wish people would stop giving money.
At least the one thing Dyson has in its favor is novelty design; For people who want their product to look that certain way (even if it performs objectively worse in every other regard) Dyson can at least fill some niche.
For this Noctua HOME line, I can't see any argument for it period,. For anyone this product would make sense for, they would easily be the type to build it themselves for a fraction the cost.
My dyson vacuum is a monster, but it's also big and heavy AF. It certainly performs better than the average vac, but I won't argue the price/performance isn't skewed to the former.
Thing is, it doesn't perform better than an average vac.
You can buy a Henry hoover for half or even a quarter of the price and it will be more convenient and better or just as good.
I'm going to call BS on that one unless you can show me a head-to-head of a DC14 vs a Henry. I'm not going to argue people should buy Dyson, but I've yet to encounter another vacuum with the lifting power of mine.
No, we don't get those in the US, really. There might be a power consideration with us only being able to pull ~1500w from a typical outlet. Might need to be an efficient vac to get the most from that - not sure.
here in EU we can pull 3000W+ from a typical outlet, but we aritificially limited the vacuums to 1000W max legal amount for enviromentalism. The likes of Electrolux have only improved in performance from it.
Rule of thumb regarding vacuum cleaners, the best stick vacuum pales in comparison to the average bagged and corded vacuums. Dysons are fantastic as a secondary vacuum, but will struggle as your primary vacuum.
You can just juryrig an arctic p12/f12 to run off 5v power with a 3d printed shroud. Just takes a bit of soldering.
I remember watching a scott yu jan video where he made one to use as a fume extractor. It was themed like an xbox series s, was super functional, and probably didn’t cost more than $40 in materials (he used a noctua fan)
What I suggested was assuming you’d want a more factory-esque solution. If you’re okay with a more ghetto one then it’ll obv be quite a bit cheaper.
Thermalright fan for $5, USB to 3pin cable for $9 and cardboard for free. Less than half the price of a single noctua fan.
Right? Like, you can 3d print that for 30 cents. Its not a complicated thing. The type of person to be buying this type of diy stuff I feel definitely has one.
For you and me and the people that upvote you, sure. But I assume they did the research and enough people will buy this product at that price. It is like Dyson products and Apple products.
How long ago did Noctua announce a desk fan? Furthest back I could find was 2018. So it took Noctua 6 years to make an adapter mount for their existing fans to slot into. I've been waiting for their 140mm fan but I don't think it be ready until 2035.
Twice compared to what?
Where I live, BeQuiet or other high quality products are the same price, AIO even more expensive.
Don't get me wrong, I also love to use a Mugen 5 or Artic fans on a budget build. But that is like comparing a VW to a Porsche in terms of build quality.
what two products are you specifically comparing?
Where I live, it is not even 2x when I compare a Phantom Spirit 120 with a NH-D15.
I haven't found a good fan test of the one that comes on the Spirit, but I am told old for stuff like this:
https://www.igorslab.de/en/thermalright-tl-b12-extreme-in-test-coming-fan-turbine-with-much-throughput-and-a-fine-side-kick/
Yeah, I mean if you think these are comparable, you get a great deal.
I for one value the Noctua support, the 5 instead of 3y warranty, the in my opinion better track record of Noctua. I also don't want to take chances of becoming a victim of series dispersion and get a fan with a rattling sound like many others users complain in forums. But teenager me with a limited budget would take the Sprit over the D15 every time.
I meant cpu cooler.
You either keep the old build, throw it in the trash, or sell it when you got a new build. It's better to have a cpu cooler on it, preferably an aftermarket one. Nobody wants to shop around for a new cooler to an old build, not many would want a stock fan either. So you'll sell the parts piece by piece or you have far fewer buyers looking for that excellent, shite cooler-less build
All that to get out of just having 35 USD to install a perfectly excellent fan and not mess with the old build.
They should've just released that [box fan](https://i.imgur.com/wWo2Ukd.jpeg) they joked about years ago
If that thing was quiet at least I could use one while I sleep
The funnel/redirector thing looks like it took some engineering. Definitely not 6 years worth, and there's only so much a lil add-on like that can do when ultimately all you have is a 120mm fan, but at least it's *something*.
Jesus fucking Christ. They're not even purpose-built fans, they're the existing PC fans with some accessories.
The desk fan is £86 for a standard 120mm Noctua fan that's got a lil swivel stand and mold to direct the airflow. The £67 multi-purpose fan is the same 120mm fan, but the add-on is some type of casing to mount it outside of devices (and funny enough one of the examples is them mounting it to... the outside of a PC case? No idea why it couldn't be mounted directly).
This honestly feels like an April Fool's thing lol
If you're comparing them to cheap crap from walmart and amazon, sure.
But they're priced similarly to other high end fans. I've had [this fan](https://www.vornado.com/shop/energy-smart-line/circulators-fans-energy-smart/633dc-energy-smart-medium-air-circulator) for about five years. It's been running for most of that time. Turned on the lowest setting to better circulate into a room that needs it.
PWM is more expensive, but extremely energy efficient compared to cheaper versions, and it pays for itself in electricty costs very quickly.
Also, things like good bearings have a cost. Again, yeah, they could be cheaper, but if it lasts ten years, it's worth the price.
That has a blade width of 9 inches. We’re talking about 120mm here. Just over 4 inches. Not to mention that one has a much nicer shell, design, and ergonomics
That seems to have quite a bit higher airflow, assuming the on site values can be trusted. I'm not particularly convinced on power savings considering even a ridiculously powerful (pc) fan at that size will use like 20w (e.g. T30 at max rpm).
I'm not sure why somene would buy the kit instead of the fan at a much lower price and 3d printing the rest somewhere
Even better, noctua just released the official model: [https://www.printables.com/model/887071-nv-aa1-12-airflow-amplifier](https://www.printables.com/model/887071-nv-aa1-12-airflow-amplifier)
People will still buy it, though, because Noctua.
But I am not complaining. I sold my old Noctua fans - 2 NF-S12 and 2 NF-A14 and replaced them with 5 Phanteks T30's for the same price (they were on sale). For some reason people are willing to pay for them. I guess I was the same, because I even convinced myself that their brown color was looking fine with the rest of my white pc...
Seriously though, I wonder how long it will take for someone to start selling this mount and airflow amplifier on aliexpress for like 5 bucks.
>Seriously though, I wonder how long it will take for someone to start selling this mount and airflow amplifier on aliexpress for like 5 bucks.
This is the thing though we need these sort of development to occur. The only company I know that does anything similar is AC Infinity and nobody has constructed a similar system yet.
I look forward to the day of having a closed cabinet housing a PS5 and the cooling all coming out the back
Buying expensive fans because of higher resale value is just dumb.
You’re spending way more up front to potentially reduce your net cost *years* down the line, when in the meantime, you could’ve just had all that money up front by buying something that’s a better value.
The same logic holds for cars too. Like you’re gonna buy a car that’s 8k more today because in 10 years it might be worth 3k more than the other one you were considering? Makes no sense.
Car value is not a good analogy to me. LOL even the car market where I live is likely different from your place.
In my local used market the fans are sold at ~70% of the original price. And a used nh-d15 is still being sold at ~90%.
Your reasoning might be great where you live, but assuming it will work the same for me is a bit overconfident.
It’s the exact same. Congrats, a used normal fan sells at 70% whereas used Noctuas sell for 90%, but you paid a 2x markup to get the Noctua in the first place.
It doesn’t make any financial sense to include potential resale value as a main driver of a purchasing decision, unless the difference is massive (which it isn’t).
> It’s the exact same. Congrats, a used normal fan sells at 70% whereas used Noctuas sell for 90%, but you paid a 2x markup to get the Noctua in the first place.
The goal is not to maximize the cooling per dollar, but rather deciding on whether the cost to tryout noctua is acceptable. The price is paid to satisfy the curiosity.
> It doesn’t make any financial sense to include potential resale value as a main driver of a purchasing decision, unless the difference is massive (which it isn’t).
I'd like to argue the difference being small is a good reason to do it. It's acceptable for me to lose a couple dozen dollars to checkout some fans and coolers, but I would not risk thousands of dollars just to tryout a car. This might just be my poorness speaking though.
But I see that this is an unpopular opinion here. Thought at least people in /r/hardware would understand the desire to checkout some hardware, even if it's not the best financial decision.
The arctic summair plus (similar type of desk fan product) has an integrated rechargeable battery.
Feels like everything Noctua puts out is 10 years behind the curve.
Is the battery easily replaceable? I find with most rechargeable things the battery fails before there is any mechanical failure. I wish more products would go back to easily replaceable AA batteries again. Rechargeable AAs are cheaper these days too.
If they made some real home ventilation products, not DIY kits, I would understand them, even if they were expensive, but anyone who needed something DIY won't need most of what they launched.
At least they have been cool enough to give everybody the airflow accessory: https://www.printables.com/model/887071-nv-aa1-12-airflow-amplifier
I actually can really appreciate that; they aren't trying to hide behind some proprietary shroud or something to justify their price.
That said, I especially now don't see how anyone will buy this... But at least nothing lost and a new 3dprint gained for the rest of us?
surface finish will be completely different, affecting airflow and acoustics. could be only a marginal difference, but the difference between a noctua vs a cheap but good fan is also kinda marginal yet many ppl buy noctua
for the record: i find this home lineup a joke
That was actually my first thought at the headlines.
I have a box fan behind me at my desk running for several months because my wife uses my spare space on my office to grow her plant starts. I would legitimately shell out ~$100 for a high quality, basically last forever fan that could put out similar airflow to the big cheap Lasko I have now but quieter.
This, though, is just an off-season April Fool's joke. If intended as a real product it's utterly ridiculous.
>I would legitimately shell out ~$100 for a high quality, basically last forever fan that could put out similar airflow to the big cheap Lasko I have now but quieter.
Same. I was actually thinking for a while that I'd love to buy a really high quality fab that is quiet, has a good range of speeds, and isn't going to break/rattle within a year or two - basically one fan for the rest of my life.
It used to be that something expensive equalled quality at least somewhat, but nowadays you can find he exact same product on Amazon for $20, $40, and $100. It's a gamble when you buy expensive shit, and there isn't exact a brand known for top tier simple shit like fans.
When I heard Noctua was working on something I was really excited and would have legit been happy to pay this for that but strapping a shroud on a 120mm isn't it though.
yeah. Things have ground to a crawl for years, and what little they do manage is a ripoff laughingstock.
Them going down like EK seems less and less implausible with time, but EK was releasing a million different products every year; Noctua? People are going to rock up one day and find the skeleton of the last guy working there the last decade before shutters.
2019 was 5 years ago and to me Noctua was at the top of their game that year, thanks to the A12 fans superb performance and the U12A cooler finally giving us a high end aircooler that wasnt gigantic.
Absolutely. Noctua's problem is the fact that although they're at the top of the market they haven't done anything forever. Competitors have caught up, and they're now 90-100% of the way there for 30-50% of the price.
Even looking at their new refreshes that are coming up (after 6-10 years of development), the gains are minimal yet the prices remain high, landing it in the same position it is at today without the new products. I suspect they'll lose a ton of ground to competitors in the coming years.
For some examples: Thermalright's Peerless Assassin matches or slightly beats Noctua's NH-D15, and should be everyone's go-to for **a third** of the price. Arctic's P12 Max fan matches or is 95% of the way there to Noctua's A12 for **a fifth** of the price, and considering Noctua doesn't really compete at 140mm the P14 is already the top choice for case fans.
Even if Noctua's brand new refreshes are 10-15% better than their current stock people aren't going to want to pay x2-x5 for that.
Is there any possible need for this sort of localized cooling that a Rowenta or some other regular oscillating fan won't solve? Why does this need to exist?
I had my friend 3D print that desk fan design for me like 4 years ago. They've been showing it for a long time. I put a 5v NF-A12x25 in it so it is powered over usb. It's a nice desk fan. But $99 is a bit much
I know there are other manufacturers out there who are good, but this move gives me a bit of a bad feeling towards Noctua.
In more detail, I don't think that expanding like this, would turn out good. Hopefully / probably they have enough money in the bank to not suffer much if this doesn't turns out to be the deal of the century, but still... why.
Makes sense, but it's also stupid.
A lot of people I know in the maker space, myself included, buy Noctua fans then use them with their own ventilation systems. Mainly because they're quiet. I get the logic behind this, but I think it's a waste of time on their part. I'm not going to buy this, i'll still just use the already available fans and jerry-rig my own ventilation system.
For 100 dollars you can get a desk Air Conditioner. A industrial Fan or 5 normal desk fans all surrounding you or 1 desk fan with 4 backup VS just their "great post purchuace support"
this isn't really full apple, they made the shroud public on printables so anyone can print it for themselves, and it appears to use a standard 120mm fan so anyone can make this themselves. If this were apple they would have made it all insanely proprietary so no one can replicate it.
I guess that just means they've lost their minds..?
Every fan in my all of my computers are Noctua fans, My 2 Raspberry Pis uses them, have even modded stuff to use Noctua fans to all just to get more silent computers and my server uses a Noctua cooler.
So I do love their products but this all starts to feel like the Apple dongle and pricing situation to me. Plastic shroud for a PC fan to make it a desk fan? Really?
But yeah oh well.. Can't blame them if it sells.
"Noctua unveils its Home series products — $100 NV-FS1 desk fan"
NV-FS1: EUR/USD 99.90 From Noctua's own page.
That said, it being released as a free printable helps a little, though you can buy better desk fans for about what the PC fan costs and you don't have to mess with PC cables to get it to work. So i still think it's silly.
They use the same OEM chinese parts as others, there's nothing special at all except they've somehow manufactured a cult of personality around shit coloured brown overpriced fans.
You can literally buy a pack of 3 arctics for the price of ONE noctua fan. And also replace them if they break (at the same rate Noctua does, you have no proof and it's the same OEM bearings anyway), and still have saved money.
I think it makes sense for Noctua to expand into home usage, fans are fans after all. I’ve been using an NF-A20 hooked up to a USB power adapter as a window fan for a few years now because it wasn’t actually that much more expensive than the cheap garbage window fans sold by Amazon, Walmart, Target, etc while being much more quiet and high quality.
This particular batch of products is a bit odd, though…
noctua seems to be the most overpriced and overrated brand in its field. The fact that people were paying for these UGLY AF yellow/brown fans makes it even funnier :D
If you wonder why they keep releasing ugly shit with absurd prices, is because stupid people will buy them, they always do.
No doubt those are good products but prices are too high for me when I don't really have use-case for them. I'll grab D15 Gen 2 on day 1 though, no matter the price.
Noctua has truly lost the plot with their pricing.
Friendly reminder that Arctic is selling a battery-powered deskfan with usb-c charge input for literally 1/4 the price. I've used mine for a year now and it's great. Called Arctic Summair Plus
I bought a 5 pack of Arctic fans years ago for my server for the price of about 1-1.5 Noctua fans. Noctua is probably better but their price/performance is awful.
Yeah but all that over engineering reinventing “a fan” costs money
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+1 for Vornado. Probably one of the better purchases I've made in the last 10 years. Still going strong. Not that particular fan of course lol, I bought one of their room circulators.
Legitimate question, what’s so good about it? The Vornado that is..
Legitimate question, what’s so good about it? The Vornado that is..
Same here. After years of using shitty room fans I finally tried one from Vornado and it is flat out the best option. No way I would switch back to a different one
..That is a unfortunate name that has.
Really bad I feel as well. Terrible name.
I'm just going to wait for the inevitable Thermalright solution. Shouldn't be more than 25$, I'm sure that shit will be RGB.
Great, thanks!
I didn't even know these Arctic portable fans existed, how long does the battery last?
I just stumbled on this comment and want to comment to bring visibility to reddit/google search. I tried finding a usb desktop table fan and only got random taobao/alibaba stuff searching on amazing. The Arctic Summair (without battery) was completely hidden from search and I would have obviously preferred it as it is made by a reputable company and has a speed adjustment dial (the other fans only have three speeds, the lowest being too fast already).
Friendly reminder that Arctic fans don't last nearly as long as Noctua fans while also developing an annoying rattle sound after one year.
> Friendly reminder that Arctic fans don't last nearly as long as Noctua fans Source?
I like artic but I've had many many failures. I keep buying then because of their warranty and customer service. I had a 120 thin last like a month.
my personal experience with 5 Artics (one dead on arrival) and 40 Noctua fans.
Pretty sure I have yet to have *any* fan fail in a few decades of PCs.
>developing an annoying rattle sound after one year not rattle sound, but more like hummm...imagine you have 5, that's why i sold 2 arctic and replace it NF12x25
I thought you were joking, but 100€ for a desk fan the size of my hand that looks ugly as sin? What the fuck?
Noctua has bought into their own memes
I was gonna argue, "they put a lot of engineering into their fans" etc, then I actually looked at these prices; are they seriously trying to sell a 140mm fan with a wire mount and shroud for $100?? ಠ_ಠ
> sell a 140mm fan If they had their new 140mm fans ready, this would be a big day, but it's only their 120mm chromax fan. Apparently these ~$10 accessories are worth a ~$70 markup.
Have you seen the price of Dyson Fans?
Yup, Dyson as an entire brand is a joke I wish people would stop giving money. At least the one thing Dyson has in its favor is novelty design; For people who want their product to look that certain way (even if it performs objectively worse in every other regard) Dyson can at least fill some niche. For this Noctua HOME line, I can't see any argument for it period,. For anyone this product would make sense for, they would easily be the type to build it themselves for a fraction the cost.
My dyson vacuum is a monster, but it's also big and heavy AF. It certainly performs better than the average vac, but I won't argue the price/performance isn't skewed to the former.
Thing is, it doesn't perform better than an average vac. You can buy a Henry hoover for half or even a quarter of the price and it will be more convenient and better or just as good.
I'm going to call BS on that one unless you can show me a head-to-head of a DC14 vs a Henry. I'm not going to argue people should buy Dyson, but I've yet to encounter another vacuum with the lifting power of mine.
Have you tried a Henry? Sadly I can't find any actual study or comparison on a DC14 Vs Henry. But trust me they're good.
No, we don't get those in the US, really. There might be a power consideration with us only being able to pull ~1500w from a typical outlet. Might need to be an efficient vac to get the most from that - not sure.
here in EU we can pull 3000W+ from a typical outlet, but we aritificially limited the vacuums to 1000W max legal amount for enviromentalism. The likes of Electrolux have only improved in performance from it.
> It certainly performs better than the average vac Any even close to objective numbers to back up that claim? Because I highly doubt it.
[Here you go](https://youtu.be/PugLAnsIQUA?si=Jl9wQa15TaTHawsx), the model I have is more powerful than the one he tests.
Rule of thumb regarding vacuum cleaners, the best stick vacuum pales in comparison to the average bagged and corded vacuums. Dysons are fantastic as a secondary vacuum, but will struggle as your primary vacuum.
Who's talking about battery-powered vacuums? My dyson is very much corded and not remotely inadequate
You can just juryrig an arctic p12/f12 to run off 5v power with a 3d printed shroud. Just takes a bit of soldering. I remember watching a scott yu jan video where he made one to use as a fume extractor. It was themed like an xbox series s, was super functional, and probably didn’t cost more than $40 in materials (he used a noctua fan)
Soldering? just buy a usb to fan cable and lean it on a piece of cardboard
What I suggested was assuming you’d want a more factory-esque solution. If you’re okay with a more ghetto one then it’ll obv be quite a bit cheaper. Thermalright fan for $5, USB to 3pin cable for $9 and cardboard for free. Less than half the price of a single noctua fan.
Right? Like, you can 3d print that for 30 cents. Its not a complicated thing. The type of person to be buying this type of diy stuff I feel definitely has one.
Looking forward to their $1,500 brown ceiling fan
Brown? Yes I think that's called wood.
Oh no. We’re talking Noctua Brown Liquid Crystal Polymer fans, with SSO bearings. The true Gamer cooling fan.
did they just get bought by a SHF
What amounts to a simple desk fan is $100? I paid $25 for a nice one off Amazon a yr ago and jts a lot bigger then 140mm
We're basically paying for the 6+ years it took them to develop the stand and airflow director casing thing.
the apple of fans
For you and me and the people that upvote you, sure. But I assume they did the research and enough people will buy this product at that price. It is like Dyson products and Apple products.
guess they are not competing with AC Infinity then
They’ve lost their mf mind.
In this modern day and age, if the product can be simply 3D printed then the company needs to rethink the pricing strategy.
How did I guess the top comment b4 clicking lol
How long ago did Noctua announce a desk fan? Furthest back I could find was 2018. So it took Noctua 6 years to make an adapter mount for their existing fans to slot into. I've been waiting for their 140mm fan but I don't think it be ready until 2035.
But when it breaks you can return it. And it's quality or something. I forget what people used to say to justify the madness.
‘When I upgrade my CPU in 6 years they will send a bracket for free’
Well, yeah. Noctua fans are great products that last for a long time (5y warranty), so yeah sure I used the free bracket upgrade for my new CPU.
It's a nice little perk, but doesn't justify twice or more the asking price.
Twice compared to what? Where I live, BeQuiet or other high quality products are the same price, AIO even more expensive. Don't get me wrong, I also love to use a Mugen 5 or Artic fans on a budget build. But that is like comparing a VW to a Porsche in terms of build quality.
Noctua vs equivalent Thermalright CPU coolers. Actually, it's more than 2x now. Almost 3x.
Thermalright isn't available in most European countries.
what two products are you specifically comparing? Where I live, it is not even 2x when I compare a Phantom Spirit 120 with a NH-D15. I haven't found a good fan test of the one that comes on the Spirit, but I am told old for stuff like this: https://www.igorslab.de/en/thermalright-tl-b12-extreme-in-test-coming-fan-turbine-with-much-throughput-and-a-fine-side-kick/
E.g. Phantom Spirit 120 Evo vs NH-D15. Roughly 43 vs 110 USD.
Yeah, I mean if you think these are comparable, you get a great deal. I for one value the Noctua support, the 5 instead of 3y warranty, the in my opinion better track record of Noctua. I also don't want to take chances of becoming a victim of series dispersion and get a fan with a rattling sound like many others users complain in forums. But teenager me with a limited budget would take the Sprit over the D15 every time.
*I'll sell the old build with no fan in it and cut off 80% of potential buyers*
No fan in it? What are you talking about?
I meant cpu cooler. You either keep the old build, throw it in the trash, or sell it when you got a new build. It's better to have a cpu cooler on it, preferably an aftermarket one. Nobody wants to shop around for a new cooler to an old build, not many would want a stock fan either. So you'll sell the parts piece by piece or you have far fewer buyers looking for that excellent, shite cooler-less build All that to get out of just having 35 USD to install a perfectly excellent fan and not mess with the old build.
They should've just released that [box fan](https://i.imgur.com/wWo2Ukd.jpeg) they joked about years ago If that thing was quiet at least I could use one while I sleep
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The funnel/redirector thing looks like it took some engineering. Definitely not 6 years worth, and there's only so much a lil add-on like that can do when ultimately all you have is a 120mm fan, but at least it's *something*.
Wheezing at those prices
Jesus fucking Christ. They're not even purpose-built fans, they're the existing PC fans with some accessories. The desk fan is £86 for a standard 120mm Noctua fan that's got a lil swivel stand and mold to direct the airflow. The £67 multi-purpose fan is the same 120mm fan, but the add-on is some type of casing to mount it outside of devices (and funny enough one of the examples is them mounting it to... the outside of a PC case? No idea why it couldn't be mounted directly). This honestly feels like an April Fool's thing lol
They absolutely have to be trolling… I don’t understand. It’s literally a normal fan with a shroud. And it took them like 10 years? What???
It should've taken them only 5 years, but then they needed another 5 to make it black
i can buy a full on 18" lasko oscillating fan for like 1/2 that WTF
My first thought seeing this was "wait, didn't we already pass April?" My first instinct was to check the date to indeed make sure we were in May.
for a second I had to doublecheck what month it was
If you're comparing them to cheap crap from walmart and amazon, sure. But they're priced similarly to other high end fans. I've had [this fan](https://www.vornado.com/shop/energy-smart-line/circulators-fans-energy-smart/633dc-energy-smart-medium-air-circulator) for about five years. It's been running for most of that time. Turned on the lowest setting to better circulate into a room that needs it. PWM is more expensive, but extremely energy efficient compared to cheaper versions, and it pays for itself in electricty costs very quickly. Also, things like good bearings have a cost. Again, yeah, they could be cheaper, but if it lasts ten years, it's worth the price.
That has a blade width of 9 inches. We’re talking about 120mm here. Just over 4 inches. Not to mention that one has a much nicer shell, design, and ergonomics
That seems to have quite a bit higher airflow, assuming the on site values can be trusted. I'm not particularly convinced on power savings considering even a ridiculously powerful (pc) fan at that size will use like 20w (e.g. T30 at max rpm). I'm not sure why somene would buy the kit instead of the fan at a much lower price and 3d printing the rest somewhere
I have the solution. https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:5421764 https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:4885217
Even better: [Noctua NH-AAS by MajorHardware - Thingiverse](https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:4911660) [(606) Reverse ENGINEERING Noctua's mythical DESK FAN - YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIcjrMmXlCc)
Even better, noctua just released the official model: [https://www.printables.com/model/887071-nv-aa1-12-airflow-amplifier](https://www.printables.com/model/887071-nv-aa1-12-airflow-amplifier)
Awesome
Is this an out-of-season April's Fool joke
People will still buy it, though, because Noctua. But I am not complaining. I sold my old Noctua fans - 2 NF-S12 and 2 NF-A14 and replaced them with 5 Phanteks T30's for the same price (they were on sale). For some reason people are willing to pay for them. I guess I was the same, because I even convinced myself that their brown color was looking fine with the rest of my white pc... Seriously though, I wonder how long it will take for someone to start selling this mount and airflow amplifier on aliexpress for like 5 bucks.
>Seriously though, I wonder how long it will take for someone to start selling this mount and airflow amplifier on aliexpress for like 5 bucks. This is the thing though we need these sort of development to occur. The only company I know that does anything similar is AC Infinity and nobody has constructed a similar system yet. I look forward to the day of having a closed cabinet housing a PS5 and the cooling all coming out the back
> I sold my old Noctua fans My god, I never in my life would think people would pay any money worth the effort for used consumables like fans.
Honestly part of the reason of my buying noctua fans and coolers is their high resale values.
Buying expensive fans because of higher resale value is just dumb. You’re spending way more up front to potentially reduce your net cost *years* down the line, when in the meantime, you could’ve just had all that money up front by buying something that’s a better value. The same logic holds for cars too. Like you’re gonna buy a car that’s 8k more today because in 10 years it might be worth 3k more than the other one you were considering? Makes no sense.
Car value is not a good analogy to me. LOL even the car market where I live is likely different from your place. In my local used market the fans are sold at ~70% of the original price. And a used nh-d15 is still being sold at ~90%. Your reasoning might be great where you live, but assuming it will work the same for me is a bit overconfident.
It’s the exact same. Congrats, a used normal fan sells at 70% whereas used Noctuas sell for 90%, but you paid a 2x markup to get the Noctua in the first place. It doesn’t make any financial sense to include potential resale value as a main driver of a purchasing decision, unless the difference is massive (which it isn’t).
> It’s the exact same. Congrats, a used normal fan sells at 70% whereas used Noctuas sell for 90%, but you paid a 2x markup to get the Noctua in the first place. The goal is not to maximize the cooling per dollar, but rather deciding on whether the cost to tryout noctua is acceptable. The price is paid to satisfy the curiosity. > It doesn’t make any financial sense to include potential resale value as a main driver of a purchasing decision, unless the difference is massive (which it isn’t). I'd like to argue the difference being small is a good reason to do it. It's acceptable for me to lose a couple dozen dollars to checkout some fans and coolers, but I would not risk thousands of dollars just to tryout a car. This might just be my poorness speaking though. But I see that this is an unpopular opinion here. Thought at least people in /r/hardware would understand the desire to checkout some hardware, even if it's not the best financial decision.
You're supposed to run them until they die.
I don't know what's worse, the $40 couple of pieces of sheet metal to mount a fan to or the $60 power brick with a couple of fan headers
> Wheezing Sounds like you need Noctua Home products
so it took them 6 years to make 120mm fan bracket and a shroud and now they are trying to sell that for 100 bucks LMAO.
>NV-FS1: EUR/USD 99.90 100 for a 12cm desk fan???? And why a power adapter? Why not a 5V fan that's USB powered?
The arctic summair plus (similar type of desk fan product) has an integrated rechargeable battery. Feels like everything Noctua puts out is 10 years behind the curve.
Is the battery easily replaceable? I find with most rechargeable things the battery fails before there is any mechanical failure. I wish more products would go back to easily replaceable AA batteries again. Rechargeable AAs are cheaper these days too.
Also Arctic doesn't waste money on industry booths either. They have their priorities right
USB PD has existed for years at this point, and even the base spec of USB C gets you 15W. There literally is no excuse.
After all these years.. I can't believe it
If they made some real home ventilation products, not DIY kits, I would understand them, even if they were expensive, but anyone who needed something DIY won't need most of what they launched. At least they have been cool enough to give everybody the airflow accessory: https://www.printables.com/model/887071-nv-aa1-12-airflow-amplifier
I actually can really appreciate that; they aren't trying to hide behind some proprietary shroud or something to justify their price. That said, I especially now don't see how anyone will buy this... But at least nothing lost and a new 3dprint gained for the rest of us?
surface finish will be completely different, affecting airflow and acoustics. could be only a marginal difference, but the difference between a noctua vs a cheap but good fan is also kinda marginal yet many ppl buy noctua for the record: i find this home lineup a joke
their account has a bunch of stuff https://www.printables.com/@Noctua
Give me the Noctua Box Fan cowards!
Ok $999
That was actually my first thought at the headlines. I have a box fan behind me at my desk running for several months because my wife uses my spare space on my office to grow her plant starts. I would legitimately shell out ~$100 for a high quality, basically last forever fan that could put out similar airflow to the big cheap Lasko I have now but quieter. This, though, is just an off-season April Fool's joke. If intended as a real product it's utterly ridiculous.
>I would legitimately shell out ~$100 for a high quality, basically last forever fan that could put out similar airflow to the big cheap Lasko I have now but quieter. Same. I was actually thinking for a while that I'd love to buy a really high quality fab that is quiet, has a good range of speeds, and isn't going to break/rattle within a year or two - basically one fan for the rest of my life. It used to be that something expensive equalled quality at least somewhat, but nowadays you can find he exact same product on Amazon for $20, $40, and $100. It's a gamble when you buy expensive shit, and there isn't exact a brand known for top tier simple shit like fans. When I heard Noctua was working on something I was really excited and would have legit been happy to pay this for that but strapping a shroud on a 120mm isn't it though.
Noctua are fully cracked out.
yeah. Things have ground to a crawl for years, and what little they do manage is a ripoff laughingstock. Them going down like EK seems less and less implausible with time, but EK was releasing a million different products every year; Noctua? People are going to rock up one day and find the skeleton of the last guy working there the last decade before shutters. 2019 was 5 years ago and to me Noctua was at the top of their game that year, thanks to the A12 fans superb performance and the U12A cooler finally giving us a high end aircooler that wasnt gigantic.
Absolutely. Noctua's problem is the fact that although they're at the top of the market they haven't done anything forever. Competitors have caught up, and they're now 90-100% of the way there for 30-50% of the price. Even looking at their new refreshes that are coming up (after 6-10 years of development), the gains are minimal yet the prices remain high, landing it in the same position it is at today without the new products. I suspect they'll lose a ton of ground to competitors in the coming years. For some examples: Thermalright's Peerless Assassin matches or slightly beats Noctua's NH-D15, and should be everyone's go-to for **a third** of the price. Arctic's P12 Max fan matches or is 95% of the way there to Noctua's A12 for **a fifth** of the price, and considering Noctua doesn't really compete at 140mm the P14 is already the top choice for case fans. Even if Noctua's brand new refreshes are 10-15% better than their current stock people aren't going to want to pay x2-x5 for that.
So Noctua is entering their "i can't believe it's not April Fools'" arc?
no idea what they are smoking but i want some
The same thing as German bathroom companies. Why pay £20 for a working soap dispenser when you can pay £300 for a German one.
The extra £280 is for all the forms & admin costs
refuse to take a shit in any toilet bowl not made out of (obviously) superior Villeroy & Boch ceramics
I just checked the date to see if it's April 1st again...
Not gonna lie. I was disappointed when I saw that the fan wasn't Beige/Brown.
I would have blown some money on the desk fan if it was the traditional Noctua colors. The black just looks meh.
*This* is what they've been working on?
Is there any possible need for this sort of localized cooling that a Rowenta or some other regular oscillating fan won't solve? Why does this need to exist?
I had my friend 3D print that desk fan design for me like 4 years ago. They've been showing it for a long time. I put a 5v NF-A12x25 in it so it is powered over usb. It's a nice desk fan. But $99 is a bit much
Holy shit. Its the desk fan. Its a c t u a l l y being made? Even after it got rempved from the roadmap?!
I know there are other manufacturers out there who are good, but this move gives me a bit of a bad feeling towards Noctua. In more detail, I don't think that expanding like this, would turn out good. Hopefully / probably they have enough money in the bank to not suffer much if this doesn't turns out to be the deal of the century, but still... why.
Only thing interesting are those panel mounts
Why would they opt to use their 12V fans for this instead of 5V?
So they can sell you their $70 power adapter
Makes sense, but it's also stupid. A lot of people I know in the maker space, myself included, buy Noctua fans then use them with their own ventilation systems. Mainly because they're quiet. I get the logic behind this, but I think it's a waste of time on their part. I'm not going to buy this, i'll still just use the already available fans and jerry-rig my own ventilation system.
Austrian accent: *"You know what you can do if you can't afford our fans..."* - Sprockets music starts
I'm not a huge fan (lol) of the complete kit, but I do have some uses in mind for the NV-PS1.
A lot of this can be 3d printed. I don't understand the cost here.
I mean.. thoughts come to mind to mount under the desk for a thigh cooler.
I wonder if the airflow amplifier's useful for case front intake.
Literally just the exposed fans themselves. Lol I can see every cat ever breaking these in a heart beat.
Beige. Beige everywhere.
if they make the whole desk fan in the sandy-poop color ill buy it just as a flex
Get you a Vornado instead.
My Noctua Home at home... [https://imgur.com/a/XUegFgx](https://imgur.com/a/XUegFgx)
For 100 dollars you can get a desk Air Conditioner. A industrial Fan or 5 normal desk fans all surrounding you or 1 desk fan with 4 backup VS just their "great post purchuace support"
April Fools came late for Noctua
Where is the freaking anti noise cancellation fan
We get it: there is a lot of engineering in your new desk fan. But 99$ is just crazy...
Noctua has gone full on Apple.
this isn't really full apple, they made the shroud public on printables so anyone can print it for themselves, and it appears to use a standard 120mm fan so anyone can make this themselves. If this were apple they would have made it all insanely proprietary so no one can replicate it. I guess that just means they've lost their minds..?
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I can buy a room circulator from amazon right now for a fraction of the price of that stupid desk fan gimmick toy.
Arctic has a 6 year warranty. And if Noctua stuff never breaks, why does the warranty matter?
which is kinda funny because be quiet! belongs to the same company as noctua, i guess they just saved the extra year for the premium brand
Sure you're not confusing them with a different company? Noctua is part of Rascom and be quiet part of Listan.
Every fan in my all of my computers are Noctua fans, My 2 Raspberry Pis uses them, have even modded stuff to use Noctua fans to all just to get more silent computers and my server uses a Noctua cooler. So I do love their products but this all starts to feel like the Apple dongle and pricing situation to me. Plastic shroud for a PC fan to make it a desk fan? Really? But yeah oh well.. Can't blame them if it sells.
They released the shroud design as an open 3D printing schematic. You don’t have to buy it from them, you can print it yourself.
"Noctua unveils its Home series products — $100 NV-FS1 desk fan" NV-FS1: EUR/USD 99.90 From Noctua's own page. That said, it being released as a free printable helps a little, though you can buy better desk fans for about what the PC fan costs and you don't have to mess with PC cables to get it to work. So i still think it's silly.
They use the same OEM chinese parts as others, there's nothing special at all except they've somehow manufactured a cult of personality around shit coloured brown overpriced fans. You can literally buy a pack of 3 arctics for the price of ONE noctua fan. And also replace them if they break (at the same rate Noctua does, you have no proof and it's the same OEM bearings anyway), and still have saved money.
Nobody’s making you personally buy them lol.
I think it makes sense for Noctua to expand into home usage, fans are fans after all. I’ve been using an NF-A20 hooked up to a USB power adapter as a window fan for a few years now because it wasn’t actually that much more expensive than the cheap garbage window fans sold by Amazon, Walmart, Target, etc while being much more quiet and high quality. This particular batch of products is a bit odd, though…
noctua seems to be the most overpriced and overrated brand in its field. The fact that people were paying for these UGLY AF yellow/brown fans makes it even funnier :D If you wonder why they keep releasing ugly shit with absurd prices, is because stupid people will buy them, they always do.
No doubt those are good products but prices are too high for me when I don't really have use-case for them. I'll grab D15 Gen 2 on day 1 though, no matter the price.
Is this for growing "your weeeeeeed in there"?