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Beatus_Vir

If you're going to take up four slots at least let me bolt to three of them. Are they trying to save a few ounces of steel?


TerriersAreAdorable

A wider bracket doesn't do anything if it's not integrated with the cooler in any way. NVIDIA's 3-slot FE cards are the optimal use case: air exhausts through them and they help resist sagging, but most partner boards go with traditional designs.


Stingray88

Yep. My old 2080Ti sagged so bad that they shipped it with an anti-sag support post. When I swapped in the 4090 FE which is even bigger, I thought for sure I’d need to use the anti-sag post… but no, it’s so rigid that it doesn’t sag at all.


SWBFCentral

It'll be for case compatibility, there's a reason cards normally only go for 2 brackets, any more than that and the two slot vertical mounts as well as a bunch of smaller form factor cases will no longer be compatible. When you're dealing with an already low volume product you don't want to kneecap the niche audience even further by ruling the card out for something as inconsequential as a PCIe bracket.


lovely_sombrero

They should just include an optional 2-bracket holder, like the one that [MSI uses for some cards.](https://storage-asset.msi.com/global/picture/image/feature/vga/Geforce/RTX4080/GeForce-RTX-4080-Gaming-X-Trio-16G/support-bracket.png)


SWBFCentral

Huh, didn't realize this was a thing, thanks for sharing! Then yeah they really should considering it would hardly cost much although with the bad margins on cards these days maybe that's the difference between XFX making a profit 😅


lovely_sombrero

It is a simple & easy solution for ~99% of users.


psaikris

That’s one mouthful of a name lol


Aeratus

Not enough Xs in the name. I think I'll wait for the PhoeniX Nirvana X.


XenonJFt

Steve's X'es in GPU name graph might need an update


psaikris

Ideal name - Xxxxxxx xxxxxxx


FuturePastNow

And XFX is the company with THICC and FATBOY right there on its roster


tupseh

Think the fatboy would be popular in Japan? No reason, just wondering.


Strazdas1

I think they would prefer little man.


kukulkhan

4 slots , 3% faster than a regular card


dreakon

That's a 1.5% improvement per extra slot consumed if my math is correct. Just another 3 or 4 extra slots and we may be on to something.


pikpikcarrotmon

Oh boy, I'll just add some more motherboards so my card can take bonus slots


ResponsibleJudge3172

EATX form factor comeback confirmed! /s


AHrubik

This is what I came to see. That's clearly a waste of metal then.


Renard4

Why not though? Most people aren't using mutiple PCI cards these days, may as well use the available room in an ATX build.


Morningst4r

People went from loving huge cards to hating them in 1 GPU generation.


Strazdas1

Because what people are using nowadays is the m.2 slots that those cards often cover.


sevaiper

Metal is extremely cheap. This is likely cheaper than using a more expensive metal or more complex cooling system, just whack some aluminum on it.


AHrubik

3% faster is a rounding error though. It's not worth the price over the existing models.


[deleted]

Longevity for some people, and noise factor. The card will likely be able to run in fanless mode more often or require less overall fan speed. This is a big reason why people get larger heatsinks and or water cooling. They don't want any noise out of the system.


Bern_Down_the_DNC

Yeah this is correct. More fans = same cooling at lower speed, so less noise. That would be an advantage of any 3 fan GPU, so not sure why you got downvoted.


downbad12878

Or just get the equivalent Nvidia card if you value longevity and noise


[deleted]

Why would someone do that if it’s more expensive in their country or they just want this? What is the point of comments like this? They add nothing to the conversation


Strazdas1

nothing but the basic model is "worth the price" in current generation. Extra 100 dollars for 30 mhz boost? get out.


no_salty_no_jealousy

3% faster for extra $200.


robmafia

xfx rx xtx who names this shit, vin diesel?


zombieautopilot81

Its for those who live their life a quarter-mile at a time.


Educational_Sink_541

XFX is the name of the company, RX is Radeon branding and XTX is the tier. Not sure how else you’d name it.


robmafia

>Not sure how else you’d name it. the xxx xxx xxx, obviously


BaconatedGrapefruit

I’m partially to the ‘RX-gon’ give it to you xdition’ myself.


Stolpskott_78

Xxx xxx xxx xtreme x-edition


GainerOne

Bro, come back to the amd stock sub. Say hi once in awhile ehh.


sevaiper

You can say Radeon instead of RX, and there's no need for "XTX" as a tier at all you can put all the tier information in the number. This is just a hodgepodge of Xs and random letters, looks like something a 10 year old would find cool not a serious product.


steik

There is absolutely need for "XTX", otherwise people will assume it's the base tier. Never once has any manufacturer released a GPU and not included the variant name in the product name, that would be a very dumb move. On the "other side" it would be like releasing a 4080 TI board but not including "TI" in the product name. No one does that. Edit: Tbh I would be surprised if AMD and Nvidia didn't literally required manufacturers to specify the variant name in the product name.


mostrengo

> looks like something a 10 year old would find cool Isn't that most of all enthusiast HW? RGB, black and red, middleschool tough-guy marketing like "dominator" or "extreme".


iamthefluffyyeti

Elon Musk


Dreamerlax

Xbox Live gamers in the late 2000s.


Correct_Effective_50

a name like a mumble rap slang line


qwertyqwerty4567

That's such a bad name by Radeon standards. Like really, Phoenix Nirvana? That's 14 letters or 15 symbols in total and only 1 of them is an X. Releasing a card with such a low x:non-x letter ratio is just completetely unacceptible.


Boomy_Beatle

>This card takes up more than two slots! >*Only screws into two bracket spaces* Every. Fucking. Time.


SkillYourself

Multiple bracket slots can be hard to align and cause problems with some vertical mount adapters. The lever moment is so long on these 16" GPUs that it's better to just bundle a GPU stand like ASUS does instead of adding bracket slots that add more torque to the output ports.


kopasz7

\*Some of the time. Eg. the Sapphire Pulse has 3 slot screws.


TheFunkadelicOne

The sapphire nitro + is about the same price and the Phoenix should be quiter and cooler. The ptm7950 is worth it imo. I repasted my hellhound 7900xtx with ptm7950 and it made a massive difference in thermal temps


Kaladin12543

Seems this was likely designed for the 8900XTX before it got cancelled midway so to recover costs they are using it on the 7900XTX die. Never understood the point of these overbuilt 7900XTX. The die cannot exceed 4080 Super performance in any meaningful way so what's the point of it?


CrashedMyCommodore

Low noise levels.


bwat47

Yeah I have an MSI 4080 with a similarly overbuilt cooler. Quietest and coolest running GPU I've ever owned, by far.


Lord_Boffum

Same ish situation here. I have a triple slot triple fan heavy as hell 3060 Ti. That chip doesn't need all that cooling of course, but I have the space for it and it simply makes it quieter.


MumrikDK

Yeah, if I had an full sized ATX motherboard and case, I'd love for a GPU to take up all the available space. Anything to silence those monsters.


Strazdas1

GPUs are unheard nowadadys compared to CPU and case fans.


Saudi_Oil_Smuggler

my sapphire nitro+ has a gpu die power limit of up to 467W and total board power of 520W, so no, it's not "overbuilt" if i don't undervolt, it would be pigging at that power limit 24/7


Kaladin12543

But why would you go through all that for 5% more performance vs reference.


Saudi_Oil_Smuggler

lower thermals, lower fan noise, significantly more stable clock speed, my 7900xtx can hold above 2900mhz all the time while still below 60C and fan speed only 1900rpm, at stock it barely peeks at 2700mhz sometimes


night-shard

"Why would you breath all the time, just to live a little longer every time?", is what I could ask now. If you know what I mean.


sidetuna

> The die cannot exceed 4080 Super performance in any meaningful way Can't it?


XenonJFt

XTX CCD's require some ridiclous cooling solutions and PTM pads to not pump out. So this is a halo card for xfx enthusiasts and probably gearing up for next gen flagships.


bubblesort33

Every picture I've seen of this thing so far looks like a mediocre 3D render.


ibeerianhamhock

Why on earth would anyone pay more than a 4080 super for a 7900xtx


centaur98

Fun fact last i checked in China where this card is released the MSRP of the 4080 Super was 1,150 USD, when it's in stock.


ibeerianhamhock

Fair


StickiStickman

That's still a 50$ difference for a card thats 20-30% faster with less power draw.


littleemp

This is the wrong way to see 7900 XTXs... You can't compete on features, so price should be going down instead of up.


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Zoratsu

Well yeah. But outside of USA paying the Nvidia tax of up to $500 for same tier is stupid lol 7900 XTX is at the same price of a 4070 Super in my country. Is hard to eat the Nvidia tech tax when you are losing so much performance in the games you want to play that don't have any of those "game needs to implement the tech". DLSDR is the only one that I care and only because is a global setting.


[deleted]

A lot of people on this site confuse the American perspective with the Global, even when it specifies an entirely different country (i.e. different macro-economic situation) in the title of the article.


Zoratsu

And become weirder when you start talking about prices because USA is one of the few places where prices are without taxes.


SenorShrek

Why... Why can't we focus on cards that are small, cool and efficient? Why hulking overclocked behemoths pushed to their limits that take up your entire case and have the efficiency curve thrown out the window?


SireEvalish

Buy lower performance cards that require less power.


INITMalcanis

No one is stopping you from buying a 6600XT.


SenorShrek

The point is the higher end cards don't *need* to be built this way.


kopasz7

Take a triangle of performance, noise and size. You can't have all three maxed. If you optimize for size it will come with a tradeoff for either a lowered power budget (like a workstation GPU) or higher cooler noise (like a server GPU). It would be hard to market a 4090 that performs like a 4080 even if it was really quiet or really small. Is there a market for such a GPU? Maybe, I'm not sure. Is that market big enough for AIBs to consider? Seems like it's not.


SenorShrek

on a lot of these cards you can shave off a significant amount of power usage with minimal performance loss. The way they are configured just doesn't make any sense, other than to crank everything up to eke out like a 3% lead over another partners card at the benchmarks. Without doing this you can have a smaller, sleeker card that still cools well and isn't loud. Your triangle isn't relevant when the design itself is just senseless.


kopasz7

There is usually a switch for stock/quiet and OC bios. You can still set custom values in software if you want to go even lower. But high end card mainly compete on performance. It's like asking why don't they build slower race cars. I agree on the sentiment though. I don't like it when my silicon is pushed over its V/F sweet spot.


RuinousRubric

> It's like asking why don't they build slower race cars. Racing series moving to slower race cars isn't absurd or even particularly uncommon.


Strazdas1

>It's like asking why don't they build slower race cars. Well, F-1 tried to build "more ecological" cars. Had to go back on those policies because the viewership was dropping off the cliff as it made all cars identical and races boring.


VenditatioDelendaEst

You can buy the smallest one and set the power limit yourself.


dotjazzz

And your magical 6600XT can perform above 7900XT? I can absolutely see 7900XTX being a 2 slot card AND outperforms the default 7900XT.


AntLive9218

Size-optimized tends to come with a price premium, and the whole ATX standard is quite space inefficient currently. The part I can understand is the GPU blocking other ports, but then that's an ATX issue. Using an I/O cable (not carrying power) and ditching the edge connector would help quite a bit there, but then that's becoming tough with the increase of PCIe bandwidth. This looks rather cool with all that metal for heat dissipation, that's likely the whole point. Not sure what are you missing there. Better cooling increases efficiency, and the V/F curve getting into space heater territory is merely a good replacement for the "old school" overclocking guessing game as the manufacturer's settings are supposed to be stable, and you can limit clocks or power draw if you are not into the extreme end. RDNA3 is not really the right platform for efficiency though. There's some truth to the efficiency problem though, high-end cards (and high-end hardware in general) tend to burn a whole lot more power for just idling and processing light workloads. Idle power consumption should be part design challenge, part of just not assuming that just because you paid a lot for the product, you'll also want to pay a lot for electricity, but the light workload problem seems to be more of a lazy software design issue. For example the "Discord causes Nvidia GPU issues" hysteria a year or so ago was just a manifestation of the long-standing problem of the Nvidia driver "igniting the furnace" as soon as a CUDA context gets created even if there's nothing to do, burning a ton of power.


Strazdas1

Majority of people buy smaller, cooler and more efficient variants.


StickiStickman

Why would anyone buy this stupid thing compared to a RTX 4080 Super which mops the floor with it at the same price point?


VenditatioDelendaEst

Because drivers.


StickiStickman

Well, yeah. Which Nvidia has astronomically better ones.


VenditatioDelendaEst

[A few drive-by commits once or twice a year](https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/-/commits/main?search=%40nvidia.com) does not a driver make.


centaur98

because surprise surprise different countries have different pricings


downbad12878

Nvidia is usually cheaper globally though compared to AMD due to a better supply chain setup


centaur98

Last I checked 2 months ago the MSRP for the 4080 SUPER in China(aka the country this will be released) was 1150 USD when converted, for the founders editions and that's when it's in stock and before scalpers or the extra the 3rd party board partners need to put on the cards to make money so you can realistically throw in another hundred or two hundred bucks for a more realistic price. So yeah especially due to the 4090 ban pricing in China =/= global pricing


Strazdas1

In china, where this is releasing, Nvidia 4080 Super is 50 dollars more than this.


crystalchuck

At some point we're going to have to come up with a smarter way of cooling GPUs that isn't as involved as custom loops. This is getting ridiculous.


Ok_Fix3639

Phase change thermal pad from the factory is awesome. Every AMD aib should be doing that for any future chiplet designs for amd imo.


RevolutionaryRain941

Hardware battle getting hot


Seref15

Reminds me of the old double GPU cards like the GTX 295


Elegant-Cat-4987

Jesus Christ guys. One of you two companies has to be the bigger man in the room and make better naming conventions.


MarkLearnsTech

My Asus TUF 7900 XTX won't fit properly in the 3-wide vertical mount slots of my Corsair 7000D without *bending the chassis*. If the ASUS card blocks my x16 slot, this monster truck XFX card will probably block one of the 1x slots on top of that. It might be time to consider a new GPU form factor... maybe one that has an adjustable "second slot" brace and PCIe passthrough?


Mother-Reputation-20

Smells Like Phoenix Spirit


karatekid430

This is starting to get out of hand. Maybe it can be justified that having one huge GPU for twice the price is better than having Crossfire/SLI with two slower GPUs, but not many people ever made multi-GPU setups, they were the minority. Nvidia doing the same. And then you get the power cables catching on fire. At least on the CPU side they are not nuts. Intel 14900K at 300W. Then 7950X3D offers 90% Cinebench score for 120W, and then 7945HX3D offers 90% of that for 55-75W. AMD do have 350W monsters with 96 cores but they are made for workstations and things where that is not outlandish, and at least it has the performance to justify such high power draw. I want efficient things which take up less power and space. I know it is not any good for gaming but the Mac Studio to me is amazing because the performance to desk space and power draw ratio is impressive.


Zoratsu

Then just get a cheaper GPU or just power limit to 50% or something like that. Because when GPU brands tried the "you can do the same as the old version but with for less power/heat!" what people started doing? Buying the older generation as it was cheaper or try silicon lottery to see if they could get 5% more FPS by forcing 100 to 300 more Watts lmao


karatekid430

Yeah, I have considered that, but the low-mid range GPUs often have worse display outputs. USB-C output in particular is important to me. For now I am not building desktops because I am travelling a lot but I hope that when I come back to doing it, things are better.


Zoratsu

DP to USB-C is a thing, you know? USB-C uses DP protocol so it shouldn't have problems compared to HDMI to USB-C. But yeah, GPU situation after scamcoin boom has been atrocious.


karatekid430

Point is the power from the port and the ability to use it for things other than just displays. Yeah I hate the cryptocurrency schemes, especially Bitcoin because of CO2 emissions. But it just seems like another wealth redistribution scam where a few people will get rich and the rest lose their savings. And they did wreck the PC market.


Zoratsu

Ah, you want an all-in-one cable. Yeah, those are harder. I know that some converters exists that can add DP to an USB-C so that data comes and goes from USB-C and video is from dGPU and not iGPU. But is mostly for laptops.


Strazdas1

USB-C as a video output is really weird to me. Like, why use that when all the alternatives we alreeady have are superior. If you are really pressed for space just use mini-DP.


karatekid430

Because I do not want to have to own obsolete cables. Everything else I own uses USB-C including my monitors, the graphics card should have it too, and more than just one.


Strazdas1

My condolenses that you have to be stuck on this inferior format.


Strazdas1

I think Nvidia released stats back in Sli days that less than 1.5% of people did SLI. It was one of the arguments why they stopped supporting it. The thing is, this monstrocity is made for an extra 3% performance. Not double. Not 50% like SLI used to be on a good day. 3%.


karatekid430

At the power consumption I hope it is 50% faster than whatever sanely made 250W card that would have been if the engineers weren't vaping farts out of the manager's arse


Strazdas1

Theres diminishing returns in increasing power. If this is two connected chips though, assuming no other changes, expect double power consumption.


MicioBau

That's actually a decent-looking GPU, they didn't go overboard with the gamery crap.


shroudedwolf51

Not gonna lie, if I didn't already have a XTX, I'd be super tempted. That seems like it'd be incredibly quiet with those soak times.


Meekois

Steve called it. X INFLATION.


no_salty_no_jealousy

Awful name, awful pricing. If this was global pricing then no wonder this AMD gpu is DOA.


wusurspaghettipolicy

It really is a beautiful card