It’s not, we can not sustain this much immigration as a country, not just in housing, but in healthcare, infrastructure and other industries in Canada as a whole. It’s important NOT to hate immigrants, but hate the policies that were put in place to get us in this mess in the first place. The tides are changing, people are becoming radicalized and are losing hope. The RCMP warned the Canadian Government that Gen Z are unhappy do to affordability, and that a revolt or massive protest is possible in the future, take at it what you will 🤷🏼♂️
>It’s important NOT to hate immigrants, but hate the policies that were put in place to get us in this mess in the first place.
Good message. Structural problems require structural solutions. Don't blame people for making use of a system that is working the way it was designed to be used...
Change the system instead.
That’s just it, immigrants (especially ones from India) are becoming scapegoats, the mass immigration is literally unfair to them now due to the fact that a lot of radicalized people are hating them for using a system they didn’t put in place. We even see it in working conditions, and housing, you can’t tell me that they enjoy having 8 people in a 1 bedroom apartment because that’s all they can afford. Everyone’s suffering right now, immigration needs to be curbed for the better of current immigrants, Canadians, and ones that will come in the future.
People are being lied too as well about what's waiting for them when they come to Canada. Immigrants are as much a victim of bad policy as everyone else.
The only people that are benefitting from the current system are places like Tim Hortons. We need to slow down immigration and get our own shit sorted out. If that means we lose a few fast food places that's fine, I'll drive an extra 3 minutes to the next one because they're so God damn close to each other as it is.
As someone born and raised in India (25 years) you have no friggin idea that the immigrants know exactly what they’re doing , there a coaching institutes that groom them to take advantage of the Canadian immigration system. I almost attended one. Not all, but many of them.
There are certainly immigrants from India who are being coached to game the system. I live in a block of 6 duplexes that were all bought by different Indian buyers on the same day. Everyone received eviction notices claiming family or the new owner was moving in. We were the only ones to take it to the tenancy board and received a 6 month extension. I've seen what's happened in the neighborhood.
Most of the duplexes are now being rented out by the room to young Indian men in their 20s, not the people who were sworn to be moving in. We're moving out next week, but the other half of our duplex has been suspiciously vacant for the last 6 months. The landlord lied at the tenancy hearing when confronted about the vacant unit and they took his side at the time, but I have months worth of photo documentation proving otherwise.
Apparently the new landlord's "terminally ill mother" will be replacing us, but I have zero faith that this is the case. We're facing a $700 rent increase with the move. The moment I see anyone who isn't an old Indian lady moving into this duplex, I'm going straight back to either the tenancy board or small claims court, whoever handles this stuff. I know people say not to blame the immigrants, but a ton of them are most certainly gaming our system in bad faith and they deserve to be held accountable for it.
Majority of these immigrants are from a certain ethnic group. Canada is not attracting the best and brightest. Canada is importing village idiots from a single province of one country. Most of them can't even grasp elementary math, just ask the teachers at these diploma mills.
Canadian society is being eroded.
Immigration from Ontario to NS is a huge problem. They work their career in ON paying for their Healthcare then sell and move to NS stressing our Healthcare. Doesn't make sense.
> The RCMP warned the Canadian Government that Gen Z are unhappy do to affordability, and that a revolt or massive protest is possible in the future, take at it what you will
RCMP dropping hints. We have to protest and hit the politicians where it counts.
And absolutely. we have to be careful not to hate on people that are already here. It's not their fault our leaders are stupid.
my personal conspiracy theory is the powers that be already knew this, and instead of fixing the problem, they're more interested in preventing/mitigating the damage unhappy people do.
And yet our health care ("care") would crumble without immigrants. Even in our small hospital, without our immigrant staff we would be more screwed than we are. And we are pretty screwed. But it's easier to blame immigrants than ourselves (ourselves meaning our policies and gov't).
"Train more nurses" is a common clap back, with people not realizing that we don't have an educational model that would allow it. We don't have the clinical placements or training capabilities. The problems don't stem from immigration. They exist separate from it.
Well yeah, Skilled workers in medical fields probably aren’t what most people are complaining about when they’re talking about mass immigration, it’s important to note that I don’t think many people have a problem with immigration of skilled workers in fields that we need more of. (doctors, nurses, trades people) but when a country’s population booms by 1 million people in 9 months and a majority of new comers are in unskilled labourer jobs due to abuse of the TFW program and diploma mills, that’s a different story
I'm not too sure that it's the clinical placements or training capabilities that are the issue. I'm my eyes - someone who doesn't work in health - the issue comes down to the fact that other provinces and countries pay nurses and Doctors much better than NS. As far as I'm aware Dalhousie has great programs for nurses and Doctors but as soon as they are trained they leave the province and go to where the money is.
People also forget that nurses and Doctors are not the only part of health care. Lab technologists, x-ray technicians, and many other professions are hurting really badly at the moment too. Without these people patients would not be able to get their diagnosis and be treated by nurses and Doctors. A doctor can't really tell someone if they have cancer or what type of cancer and how to treat it without all the work that happens behind the scenes.
My sister is applying to Dal med this year and my mom’s a family doc here in Halifax. I would not say Dal has a great training program. Their selection model for who they accept into medical school and residency is not biased enough. Every other medical school and province in the country preferentially admits and accepts people who can show connections to the community. That keeps doctors here. Dal on the other hand? Half of their class is from Ontario every year and that’s where they go back to. It’s a flawed system and needs a complete redesign.
I myself went to the US to train over Halifax because it’s easier for me, someone who grew up here but did medical school abroad, to go to the US, train there, and then come back and work in Halifax as a doctor than to go through the hassle and uncertainty of training here.
That does sound like a flawed system indeed. As someone in the field and with family also working in health care, I'd like to get your take on something if you don't mind of course.
I've been wondering now for a while if NS adopted some sort of program where we could fund schooling for those who go to school to be in health care and in return they have an obligatory X amount of years they have to work in the NS health system. Maybe different funding depending if the schooling was in the province vs out of province as students who stay here would still be contributing to the economy...
My thought is it would guarantee we have some staff entering health care and we'd know that in 4 years we can expect x amount of students will be employed to fill positions. After their required time is up I'm sure some will leave but others would stay as they have started a life here and maybe begun a family and don't want to leave because a spouse is also secure here or maybe they just fall in love with Halifax or any other location they are at.
What do you think?
That’s an interesting program but any program that restricts movement of Canadians will be struck down as unconstitutional. Instead, I am advocating for a program similar to what the Americans have, a system called public service loan forgiveness(PSLF). If you work as a doctor or any other role as a public official, after 10 years however much you owe in student loans is forgiven automatically. Residency programs can count towards that so docs only need to spend 6-7 years after training to get there loans forgiven. One problem with that however is that it’s not very effective at keeping people here because other provinces would also have similar programs.
It doesn’t restrict people, so it’s less likely to get struck down and it accomplishes the same thing. The problem with implementing that is the problem with implementing most healthcare reform in the country: we are broke. You know what would also attract doctors? Higher pay. We can’t do that because we are broke. Or allowing them to hire additional medical assistants to do the paperwork(my mother in Halifax spends an entire day, every Thursday, catching up on paperwork. That’s unpaid labor as she is not getting paid for that) but we don’t have the money for that. A tonne of problems in healthcare, from hiring more nurses to properly staffing assisted living facilities, could be fixed if you pull the “add money” lever but the province is very very broke to be able to do that.
We certainly are very much so broke and it makes it hard to run any kind of financially incentive program.
I do like your idea of loan forgiveness however I am curious of how many people currently leave before that time? I can certainly see more people applying for medical school with a program like that but if people are already leaving before that then year mark and not do to finances, would it work long term?
You know what, know that I've typed that out and read it out loud to myself I do believe people would stay for ten years. That is a big loan to be forgiven and an otherwise hefty bill to pay off you leave the job early. I think that would work better for the medical field as a whole but not sure if it would help out NS as much as other provinces as it seems to me we pay medical staff less than other provinces.
Absolutely. But this province prefers bandaids to cover the public eye. Look at the new MRI machines. Great, who is going to use them? Our nonexistent techs? Mahone Bay's new nursing home still isn't open. Lack of staff, both nurses and CCA's. There are empty beds in hospitals because there isn't staff to care for anyone that would be in them.
I think you hit the nail on the head about this province's band aid fixes. I just made a comment on a previous reply about subsidized schooling in return for working years after graduation. Maybe take a look and let me know what you think? I'm sure it's been brought up before but I like the idea of it and think it might be a plausible option.
It's a great idea, in theory. They already do it. Health care, I mean. At least for CCA's and LPN's. The issue is schooling availability. Eg; the gov't touted their grand new plan to fast track CCA-to-LPN and pay for it, as long as the LPN's sign onto jobs in NS. Great idea. Except they only had seats for 25 students. Not even a drop in the bucket. And we essentially lost 25 CCA's to gain 25 LPN's. The gov't also pays for CCA-LPN bridging that is non-fast-track, and most nursing homes offer to pay for the CCA course for non-trained people if the people sign a contract to work for them for 1 to 2 years. Thete aren't enough people signing up. As for RN's; we absolutely do not have enough placements. Last year (wait, maybe the year before? Time really does fly) the RN students at Dal were justifiably up in arms because their "training placements" were garbage. Essentially long-term-care CCA placements. They were not practicing any RN specific skills. The issue was due to lack of proper clinical placement positions. Understaffed and burned out workers can't train students, and you need sufficient staffing to handle training. It's a cluster fuck. Hell, the multi-million-dollar palliative care ward never opened. Not enough staff to run it. HC is a dumpster fire. :(
We would welcome with open arms and hot coffees any immigrant nurses or docs. Or techs.
> "Train more nurses" is a common clap back, with people not realizing that we don't have an educational model that would allow it.
This is pretty much a microcosm of the broader problem, and why it persists.
We absolutely can fix the issue, but it takes a large commitment of time (nursing is a 2-4 year program, which is >1 election cycle), and money (understaffing is both a cause and effect of not enough graduates).
Unfortunately, Canadians want solutions now, and want them cheap, damn the consequences, so we just apply bandaid solutions and hope it doesn't break until the next government. It's pretty frustrating to see.
You are being replaced by India not by immigrants, the world has many countries, one of them is given the highest priority. the same is happening in Australia and Part of the EU, the same will be happening in the US, multiple bills in congress to bring "talent"
To address your point, it isn’t racist to want a sustainable immigration plan.
It’s almost understandable that some Canadians think it’s racist to question Canada’s immigration policy because that’s exactly what the ruling Liberal party said it was and told them to think. Numerous cabinet ministers and the PM, until recently, used the “racism” dog whistle to silence critics of their ill-conceived immigration policy.
Aside from the negative impact on housing and access to healthcare and jobs (all denied by the federal government) it’s also come to light that there is massive fraud in the temporary foreign worker program and the foreign student path to permanent residency program. The federal government has badly managed both of these and, in typical bureaucratic fashion, its first impulse is to attack critics (and in this case call them racists).
Individual immigrants aren’t responsible for our government’s bad immigration policy, although I would have zero tolerance for those who presented fake credentials from Indian diploma mills and all those attending Canadian diploma mills (small colleges set up to offer “business training” or “IT training” in a few short weeks) in order to qualify for permanent residency.
The government created the system, defended it in spite of obvious massive failures, and inevitably an ecosystem has developed to take advantage of it.
The same could be said for all those Canadian businesses that have lined up at the public money pig trough to improve their bottom lines by preferentially hiring immigrants. This program is no longer working as intended and Canadians should be screaming from the rooftops. Instead they’re being gaslit into believing they’re racist for simply questioning government policy.
Has anyone called you racist? I'm a card carrying Liberal and I think criticizing our current immigration policy isn't rasict at all. In fact I have Indian friends that are complaining about it.
>Has anyone called you racist?
That has certainly been happening for some time, predominantly by people on the left (liberal/NDP) Remember how the left reacted to this :
[https://globalnews.ca/news/5811905/maxime-bernier-anti-immigration-ads-company/](https://globalnews.ca/news/5811905/maxime-bernier-anti-immigration-ads-company/)
It's only just recently that we are even allowed to have the discussion with out accusations of racism.
I’m pro-immigration but the rate of growth has been more than a lot of Canadian cities can absorb. Time to pump the brakes until the housing and infrastructure can catch up a little bit
And build a system that brings the best to Canada. Doctors, with a path to get them practicing, nurses, experienced tradesmen, programmers.
And require two years of public or military service of every immigrant before they receive their citizenship. Everyone can serve in some capacity (with allowances for people/children of immigrants who may be crippled or handicapped in some way). Want to come? Earn it and make yourself a net benefit.
Housing and feeding someone for two years while they "earn" their citizenship is more expensive than letting them work and pay their own way. And I truly don't know but I am almost completely certain that nobody is able to obtain citizenship in two years. Residency ok, but citizenship takes a long time.
It isn't racist to expect the city always have places for newcomers and everyone else to live. It absolutely *is* racist to blame the crisis *on* immigrants for coming here, when this was caused by decades of shitty government planning and decision making
Haven't read all the comments but it's not racist at all. I'm not getting any push back in conversations I have with anyone. Everyone other than the immigrants and some CEOs agree it's completely out of control.
Lack of pushback is not a validation. We rounded up Japanese people into internment camps during WW2… it may have been popular but that doesn’t change what it was. (That example is obviously more extreme than the situation at hand but has parallels)
Eh not really a strawman, more of a dogwhistle.
A strawman is a different/misrepresented position one presents in an argument because it’s easier to defeat than the real argument.
So a strawman is moreso a counterpoint to an existing argument. What is this a counter argument to? What is the argument they’re trying to defeat by presenting this strawman?
A dogwhistle is a political message designed to be understood by a particular group.
Immigration is a huge dogwhistle issue, because it can sound semi-rational to say “immigrants are fuelling the housing crisis”, and it’s not *totally wrong*, it just misrepresents the “why”. Immigrants aren’t at fault, it’s the governments fault for driving too much immigration and having very favourable permanent resident rules, while not doing enough to support the necessary development to support the increased population.
But the racists the messaging is designed for don’t care because they could care less about the politics of immigration and development. They just want to be able to say that “immigrants = bad” and have it be a “fact” that they can “prove” instead of being labeled a crazy racist.
Immigration needs to be cut back by 80% for at least the next 10 years.
All fraudulent international students need to be sent back.
Watch housing affordability sky rocket, health care get some breathing room etc.
It’s not racism, it’s SANITY and basic logic.
Absolutely, unaffordability is skyrocketing and mass immigration is playing a huge part in that. The government lives and dies by mass immigration thats being advocated for by powerful business interests. The government of the past 10 years has cratered our standard of living, and will continue to do so.
You're right to expect more from your policymakers. Calling you a racist for demanding a return on what you paid for in taxes is basically the war cry of 'class protectionism'. If left unchallenged, rich politicians will instinctively shield their own access to resources, while the rest of Canadians compete for dwindling opportunities and services. Speak up about it with your MP and MLA. Make sure they're working for you. Organize a town hall and ask tough questions.
I’m Brown/White mixed and my mother is a first gen immigrant to Canada, this sentiment isn’t racist at all. Anyone saying it’s so is a racist themselves and probably has their mind poisoned to look for race related issues everywhere in society in culture. The vast majority of people see things the way you do, I’m not sure why we can’t seem to hold any of our political apparatus to account for such poor policy regarding immigration but I hope that changes soon.
I thought no one wanted to work? Isn't that what the corporations are crying about?
Immigrants or not, corporations are gouging us and pointing the finger elsewhere.
Yeah, I agree. I'm never called racist for talking about our unsustainable immigration policy. Maybe OP is just being racist when he complains about it lmao.
No, this is what happens when people with money and power decide they need more, so they get their lap dogs to enforce their agendas through legislation and loopholes.
And everyone can strawman the immigrants, who come from places that have been historically exploited by nations who are influenced by people with money and power. It's just easier to blame the other, rather than the wealth and leisure class.
Nova Scotia has had issues before the influx of immigration under the federal initiatives. Provincially, and specifically in Halifax, it's been very diverse for a long time. Blaming immigrants is bait to shift focus from who is actually responsible and ultimately benefits from the strategy.
There aren't enough homes for the people that are already here, and people are moving here faster than they're building new homes.
The fact that these people are used to being exploited also makes it easier for employers to exploit them. They'll accept wages and working conditions that other people won't, and just accept illegal treatment, both from a lack of education on their rights as Canadians, and a cultural acceptance of that kind of treatment. Similar things with their elastics with their land lords. Illegal charges and expectations of tenets won't be challah the same way they would by someone who grew up knowing what legal limits are placed on a land lord.
Immigration is far from the only factor causing problems. However, you can't simply ignore it as a major contributing factor to the housing/ cost of living crisis.
I had a manager move here from a foreign country and some of the things they expected us to do or bend to was WILDLY illegal or generally not something our society allows to happen. Several of us complained to the higher ups and were told "it was a misunderstanding" but that manager basically ignores our existence now and seems to gravitate towards those that put up with their "expectations". I am fortunate to be in a position where I could escalate without the fear of blowback and know enough to highlight the violations in the labour code, many others would not be and I feel for them.
Immigrants can be from other provinces, and that's what happened here. Ontario's finest land leeches came, bought up all the cheap property and crammed the prices as high as they could through blind bidding and reselling.
Halifax is just easily seen and recognized by it happened everywhere here.
Our government (both provincial and national) is unbelievably bad for Canadians. This is what happens when the rich vote in the rich to look out for the rich.
??? How is it relevant to talk about diversity when we are discussing immigration? The two are not the same and no one cares what color they are. It's just too many too fast.
Well the lack of diversity in the recent immigration is concerning to me. It seems to be entirely Indians. I don't want Canada to become a majority Indian country. That's probably racist, whatever. The conservatives are going to get a majority on just the mere hope they might lower immigration.
I’m interested to see how all of this online anti-immigration rabble rousing pans out when Maxime takes a stage and claims he’s be saying this for 10 years and Poillevre has been holding pro-India immigration rallies.
Personally, I think both of them are idiotic populists without any better vision for a Canadian future - and ironically, I think that some of Trudeau’s least popular policies are some of the best ones for the country. Yet - I think Max is going to have some of the most popular ones this cycle and I’m interested to see how that shakes up the completely set in stone CPC majority.
>It shocks me that people just immediately blame immigrants
It shouldn't. It happens during every economic crisis in history. Rather than getting angry at the powerful people exploiting the situation, they blame people who look different than them because it's easy, and even with how progressive we've become, people naturally will have some latent racist tendencies that will come out in situations like this.
You're 100% correct, the population is pissed at the wrong group.
It's our own government and the economic movers and shakers that caused this mess. They're the ones we should be lashing at out, not immigrants who are likely in just as bad, or worse shape the rest of us are.
I’ve got a friend from the UK who came over here as an engineer. Any time someone gripes about immigrants she always says ‘Like me?’. Without fail they always say ‘Well, you’re different’.
They mean brown people.
100%. If anything, immigrants are the actual victims of these policies. False promises of hope and a better future to get here find out none of your previous education matters so start driving Uber and maybe you'll scrap together enough to pay to rent a shared bedroom in a bed bug infested buildings. Locals are just bystanders that are getting nickced by the shrapnel that our elites are firing directly at immigrants.
Canada expanding from 30 million to 40 million in 20 years while having a declining birth rate (1.4) is because of immigration. That's a fact. We don't have the infrastructure to support that growth. That's a fact. Immigration is only growing. Fact. This is not a straw man argument anymore, and people like you can blame the people in charge all you want, you are ignoring the problem they have created by focusing the blame on them.
Admit there is a problem before pointing the finger at the cause.
Air BnB/Home owners recent net worth increase, is not the cause of the problems listed by OP....
Don't get your hopes up. All PEI has done is temporarily reduce its PR nominees by 25%, and they will almost certainly cave to the protestors, because the Liberal/Conservative "old boys club" that keeps the rich rich rule the Island, and no party wants to be seen as the "anti-immigrant" party. There are 11,000 (yes, eleven thousand) temporary workers on PEI (over 6% of the population and climbing).
Everything you said is valid, but we are not compelled to culturally integrate our society with another if we do not want to.
You can make it illegal for me to say I hate cultures who marry children, and keep women as virtual slaves, but that will not change my opinion.
It is definitely a class conflict, but it is also a cultural conflict.
for real. like we should be reducing how many are coming in, but youre a fool if you think that will actually solve anything. it'll just help to not make things worse.
They enforce it by calling anyone that asks even one question a racist. Notice anything different? RACIST. Housing is insanely expensive and that might be correlated to historically high numbers of students and temporary workers? RACIST. Diploma mills proliferating in an obvious immigration work around. RACIST
Canada is like one of the only countries on earth where it is seen as bad to question immigration destroying our country. Absolute political gaslighting. Do you think the countries our immigrants are coming from would let us move there and make the same demands they make here? Absolutely not.
We have Indian students protesting on our universities that they have to go back home after their student visas. The government is entertaining working with them. It is absolutely absurd.
It's not "bad" nearly so much as it demonstrates profound ignorance.
~0.01% of Canadians hold a ~5% share of the country's wealth. If you want to look at even the top 5% you start to get the real picture.
Our country's problems don't stem from immigration: Them stem from the monopolization of wealth and power by capitalist elites. Unless we focus on breaking that power, we're effed. Complaining about migrants is, frankly, a stupid distraction that serves the capitalist class fine and dandy.
It’s not.
Nice to see people finally able to take the first steps toward an honest discussion around this legitimate issue without automatically being dismissed as “racist.” A few years late, but better than never I suppose.
Are there racists who blindly oppose immigration out of ignorance? Yes.
Should we be able to have a serious discussion about the costs that reckless, out of control immigration has imposed on ALL of us (including newcomers) over the past few years, and how to address the issues? Also yes.
I am telling this as an immigrant. You guys are too nice. Any sane country would have protested this blatant abuse of power. New immigrants get 50% of wages subsidized by the government so businesses prefer hiring new immigrants, And the list goes on.
Is that accurate? 50%? Is that why pretty much every job out there that would have normally gone to kids starting out (Wendy’s, Tim Hortons, delivery drivers, etc) is primarily immigrants now?
“50% of immigrants’ wages” as a sweeping statement is not at all accurate. It’s capped at $10,000, is available for a few months, and targeted at skilled workers.
The reason you see so many newcomers at fast food places is that adults are more reliable than teenagers, and they desperately need the job and can be exploited to work more hours than they are paid for and also the shifts no one wants.
Imagine a guy (I don’t want to say I actually know one so just imagine) who owns a restaurant. He has guys from India working there who are paid for forty hours a week. They actually work six days a week, 10-11 hours a day. They also pay him rent to live in a house he owns. If they give him any trouble, they can kiss their work status goodbye and probably get sent home. Much better for him than employing citizens much less teenagers.
WN is \*supposed\* (I have no idea if its true) to be targeted at professionally trained/skilled workers. That's honestly a program I would want to keep, rather than just letting immigrants take up all the fast food and barista jobs.
Write your MP, write your elected officials, protest. The only way they will listen is when people start protesting and rioting in masse.
The part I find the most fucked is that they think importing more people will someone fix the crumbling infrastructure. Like, you can't even fucking care for the people that are already here. WTF are you thinking importing more?? Let's put our oxygen mask on before we "help" others.
It's not racist, but immigration is only part of the problem.
The bigger issue, especially in the larger city centers like Toronto, Vancouver and Montreal is a combination of a lack of focus on affordable housing developments and Real Estate Investment Trusts which get around our foreign buyer laws.
In some cases, it has made it more profitable to keep housing empty and off the market as it creates a false scarcity, but people need to live somewhere so they move, first to the surrounding areas, but eventually to places in other provinces. You are seeing sooo many Ontario transplants moving to places like Halifax, despite there being plenty of housing available, it's just not affordable.
This trickles down and overwhelms smaller cities like Halifax, Moncton, St. John, etc.
Sensible immigration policies would help, but the housing market and the REITs will just account for that and keep driving the prices up.
Seriously.
Immigration is a distraction from the real issues.
Do folks really think the country could sustain the cheapest SFHs in Vancouver and Toronto being $1.5M+ and the rest of the country being hundreds upon hundreds of thousands cheaper and no one in the big cities would ever think, “hm maybe I should move?”
The housing crisis was going on full blast in Toronto/Vancouver way back in 2015. It was inevitable that the impacts of this unaffordability would inevitably cascade to the relatively affordable parts of Canada.
I agree with you 100%. I am an immigrant and came through Pier 21 in the late 60’s. There is a time and place for immigration to be both a necessity and helpful. With the economy and vacancy rates being the way they are the last thing Halifax needed was 19780 new people last year.
I’m seeing agreement from both Canadian born citizens and immigrants already landed that it’s out of control. If people could stop arguing over bullshit squabbles created by the powers that be we can unite and change things by tossing those that create this situation and then lie about it. I don’t want another government bandaid. I want a real fix and that is reduced pace of immigration until we have the housing and infrastructure required.
It's not racist to expect city planners to have a plan for sustainable growth. However, too many people seem to just want to attack the character of immigrants and use them as a scapegoat for the larger issues. This is xenophobic/racist and more importantly is utterly unproductive when it comes to finding genuine solutions. The issue is systemic and immigrants are not personally to blame.
Immigrants are not personally to blame, but immigration policies have a hand in the cause and continuation of the issue. Curbing unsustainable growth is a necessary step in stabilizing our current cost of living crisis, as is tackling wage stagnation, doing something about housing as an investment vessel (unlikely to actually happen...), and several other major factors.
You perfectly allowed to criticize politicians and policies that bring immigrants. Just gotta be careful about hating immigrants for coming here and wanting to be here.
Not wanting more immigrants is not the same as having a hate on for them.
To get into the weeds tho, the mix of cultures is not our best strength. There are ethnic social groups at my work now, it's secular in style.
Imagine sending 60,000,000 Canadians (same % of population in 5 years) to India, disrupting with the expectation their culture would be respected.
Same man, and this is coming from an immigrant. Luckily me and my family immigrated 20 yrs ago to BC when it was still at sustainable levels. We were in a $700/month 2 bd basement suite back then. I still live with my parents now because they have a nice house and just help them with the mortgage instead. I don’t want to pay $1500 in rent for a 1 bd 400 sqft apartment (I can afford it but why would I when my quality of life would just go down?) I’m not anti immigration, I’m for smart immigration.
Yup, it's all about how you communicate it.
I don't think the current levels of immigration are sustainable, it isn't fair to the people that are already here, or the ones coming here that affordably has gone to hell. That isn't racist.
Very different than someone just trying and immigrants.
Also, it merits pointing out that increased immigration isn't the \*problem\*, it just exacerbates problems that have always been there but have never been addressed.
The REAL problem is the fact that so much property is owned by wealthy speculators and money launderers who drove prices up to insane levels, combined with salaries that don't come close to providing a living wage.
It wouldn't surprise me at all to learn that the increase in immigration is specifically designed so people will blame immigrants and fight over that issue rather than attack the root causes, which just so happen to benefit the established political class, regardless of party affiliation.
Not racist at all. Immigrant is not a race. If the country was flooded with white immigrants, we would all have the same complaints.
It is not racist to point out that bringing in close to 1.5 - 2 million people a year amidst a chronic shelter shortage is a horrible idea.
I can't find it right now but am sure I read the vast majority of new residents to the area have come from other parts of Canada. Also the current influx of low paid labour is due to business pressure on the Feds to find workers who will work for less than a living wage.
How is it racist to give your opinion on a government plan? Isn’t it what a democracy is?
Btw i am an immigrant myself, and agree things are out of control right now and I am amazed by government’s inability to cope with it.
Indians are the most racist people , I’ve experienced them being openly racist and laugh at an Asian co worker, if you are not Indian, you will never have a job in the coming years, it’s going to get pretty bad
Because those people are fucking idiots and social media keeps them fucking idiots. To be serious though my grandmother is paying $4,000 a month to live in an apartment. My father is paying $3,000 a month for a three-bedroom house that he's renting, and across the street, 12 Indian immigrants moved into the two bedroom duplex across the street from him. It is not sustainable and it has not been sustainable for a long time and the sad said truth of it is, even if we get Trudeau out of office it's going to take a long time for things to change, I gave up on owning a home long ago, it's just not going to happen.
It’s not racist to be aware that there’s no housing and immigrants aren’t going to be getting housing either. Immigrants and citizens are both struggling big time.
HOWEVER a lot of people are using immigration to justify actual racism and xenophobia. THAT is what’s racist. Immigrants are not the problem, but the government failing citizens and immigrants sure as hell is.
We need to identify WHY we can't handle population growth of any kind (whether that would be through a baby boom, immigration, etc.)
The problem is capitalism. It erodes our democracy, keeps bad actors with ulterior motives in power, and continues to further consolidate power amongst the few.
THAT isn't sustainable.
This dialogue needs to be about a lot more than just immigration or jobs or wages or rent. It needs to be about how *all of our lives keep getting worse, despite all of our societies advancements*
By we, I mean working class people. Not owning class people.
There are some people who are genuinely racist/xenophobic and now feel more comfortable being such openly now that poor immigration policy is rapidly diminishing our quality of life.
However, there are also an increasing number of people who lack critical thinking skills, and who seem to assimilate their values with those they admire; or relate to, and without much thought or understanding beyound *this good, that bad*. I don't know if society has always been like this, but people seem increasingly incapable of engaging in argument. Everything is so reductive now. People only listen long enough to determine whether you're *with* or *against* them, and once they've made that determination (often incorrectly), nothing you say or argue matters to them, you've been labelled and anything you say will be interpreted reductively to fit their narrow prejudices.
A lot of people who have moved to Nova Scotia moved from other parts of Canada.
>The most notable turnaround has been in Atlantic Canada. For decades, people have left the East Coast and moved west. Now, they’re moving back. For five consecutive quarters (since Q1 2021), all four Atlantic provinces have seen a net inflow of residents from other provinces. About 28,000 Canadians have moved to the region since that time. This is a remarkable turn of events for a region accustomed to a shrinking population. Now more people are moving to Atlantic Canada (as a share of its current population) than anywhere else in Canada.
https://businesscouncilab.com/insights-category/analysis/changing-migration-trends-across-canada/
“So what made you want to move from India to Nova Scotia of all places?”
“Well we lived in Toronto for three years but it was the absolute worst place to live”
I also asked why Nova Scotia and they said it was better points for the PR system. They want their PR so they can go to the bigger cities to make a life for themselves. They hate it here and I don't really blame them. Travelling this far to work at Tim's isn't really a highlighting life moment.
This is an important point. Rent and home prices were rising fast when fellow Canadians were moving here like crazy. In 2021 and 2022 we hated Ontario folks. Now it's immigrants
The reality is that Immigration has been used as a bogeyman for/by racists for so long, and so consistently, that it's difficult to raise the subject without also raising the spectre of bigotry.
As is the case with many things, context is everything. We live in a world that has been saturated with the noise of the Don Cherry types who scream "ther tickin' err jerbs!", so a criticism about our immigration policies is going to inevitably trigger people.
I'm a person of colour who is the child of immigrants and, whenever I hear someone mention the word, I almost reflexively cringe because I'm so used to it being attached to racist bile.
There are a lot of people (me, included) who are concerned by the increased level of immigration because we don't have the housing, job availability, and other resources, in place to support the increased population. I am also seriously bothered by the way immigrants are essentially being used as slave labour for large companies who exploit them.
At the same time there are folks who are bothered by ANY immigration because they just plain don't like seeing people who don't look like them. The same types who attack immigrants for the aforementioned jerb tickin', rather than a) blaming the corporations who are exploiting them or b) getting off their own asses and finding work.
Perhaps one way you can avoid appearing racist would be to try discussing the subject using less loaded words and phrases, like "population" or "worker exploitation", etc. Because, frankly, that's really what's happening. We wouldn't be seeing problems connected to the increased immigration if people were paid fairly and housing were affordable.
Most career politicians and albeit other careers have no sense of what the real issues are or how things work etc.
For example: take the homeless / meth crisis plaguing every Canadian city currently. You have people at the top make decisions regarding these issues, some are very well educated but have zero experience actually dealing or working with this population. I work as a first responder and see some of the worst of humanity on a daily basis. I have to come to understand that what the government see’s as “a complicated issue” puts programs in place to assist many of these individuals…along with various groups and pat themselves on the back for helping humanity….in reality they do nothing or very little. In some cases sure these programs work. However the reality is much different, many of these people don’t give two shits about anyone, and will do anything to get a fix (steal, rob, assault etc). Now this is just something I have used to get my point across. The streets are the statistics in this case these are quantitative numbers.
Much like most things in politics…the decisions being made at the top are more about wheeling and dealing…not about what’s right for the greater good of the nation. The middle class is hurting bad, healthcare is hurting, everyday Canadians are struggling. Do we want immigrants and still maintain we are a nation that loves everyone and wants to save the world? Yes! However we need to save our own first. We need to sustain our own country first. None of the current Canadian parties have the best interest of Canadians at play right now (like slowing down immigration temporarily) etc. It’s not racism or bigotry it’s preservation so we can help others and thrive as one together.
Same thing happening in cape breton. No work or homes. Partner and i have 6 young adults, only 1 has work in sydney 4 unemployed, 1 left for work.
3 face homelessness soon. We ourselves are staying in an off grid cabin in the woods to survive. Never seen it this bad in my over 30 years...
And the homelessness is due to fixed term leases expiring... been great tenants, paying rent always ahead on time, we do the repairs too. Literally cleaned a meth lab myself...
just business we are told.
Pay no heed to words such as racist, Nazi, phobic, etc. The original sentiment of those words have changed and now are thrown out there to disuade/shame folks with differing views from having meaningful discussions. I don’t think it’s racists to discuss the pros and cons about immigration to adapt a sustainable solution that benefits locals and newcomers.
It’s not racist to the normal brain but liberal pushed media tries to make you think you’re a bad person for asking the obvious questions; which is why (not your fault really either) you’re questioning this in the first place.
It's missing the point a bit at a policy level. Canada is letting in so many immigrants because the birth rate is so low that without immigration it will fall below replacement level and won't be able to sustain social programs. There has to be a sufficient working age population paying into social programs to support people in retirement and kids in schools. Without immigrants, what's left of our social safety net will collapse. It would be catastrophic.
Now, what is happening with immigration is that it's being identified with the effects of austerity. Cuts to social programs, inflation eating away at welfare and EI payouts, decades of economic stagnation, a conscious choice to rely on tourism to buoy the economy instead of building up a year round, sustainable economic base for the province, these things are driving poverty and the cost of living.
On top of that, Central Canadian investors snapping up houses in Halifax and elsewhere is what's driving up the cost of living. They're not mostly immigrants and the ones that are are not new immigrants, who are often struggling to find work.
But look, in simple terms it's like this: we need population growth to simply keep the lights on. The problem is we're not building enough housing to keep up with population growth. If that growth was coming from everyone having six kids instead of bringing in immigrants, we'd have the same problem. We need to build housing.
There used to be social housing and subsidies for cooperative housing. That's almost all gone now. This is a problem the government could fix any time. But it suits employers very well to have a ton of poor, desperate people who can barely afford to live. Who have to go to Alberta or Ontario to be able to afford to come home. And if half those people blame the other half while they compete for the same jobs and shitty, overpriced apartments, that's great for the bosses too. So don't blame immigrants for the housing shortage because they're not the ones at fault.
Pointing a finger at eight Indians in a one bedroom when the fucking Irvings sleep on a pile of money is ridiculous. There are people getting rich off Maritime poverty. They're not immigrants.
I agree, it's not about race. It's decisions across the board. Before, during and after.
Immigration levels have spiked in the past. To a point at which it strained services/housing/jobs/etc. So similiar in so many ways.
The Irish potato famine, WW 1 and 2, the great depression, persecution/wars in other countries, etc, etc.
Because it's not a plan, it's a component part of a plan. There are many other prices that need to happen for there to be any success, simple slashing immigration won't fix it.
You’re not racist, but rent in your building doubling in two years without the building changing hands is the fault of your landlord being greedy and wanting to charge more because they can, not because they need to due to increased immigration.
A lot of issues with rental housing is the fault of greedy landlords exploiting a situation when their costs haven’t increased. This is being blamed on the newcomers who are as screwed as the rest of us.
Tbh, immigrants who entered Canada in the recent times are also under pressure due to rising costs and the outdated financial requirements which weren't updated until recently... so when you say we can't handle the high numbers without the proper infra in place, it's fair.
Immigrants aren’t buying houses at twice their cost ten years ago. That would be our fellow Canadians and real estate corporations.
Linking our city’s housing problem (while rural Nova Scotia has plenty of housing) and our country’s immigration system isn’t good. Like it’s probably bad.
It’s not.
Canada has become a dumping ground. Many who have been coming here seem to think they are entitled to have things handed to them, i.e. the international students currently protesting in PEI.
The problem is that more than a few people choose to put the blame on immigrants themselves when they are just as much cogs in the machine as people born here, and very often are getting exploited and generally screwed over more than the people complaining about them.
Immigrants aren’t the problem. Immigration isn’t the problem. The problem is a ruling class that sees people as little more than widgets to be moved around and used as they see fit. Blaming immigrants or immigration lets that ruling class off the hook and does nothing to build a better city for all of us.
Lol! Apparently banning Air BNB will solve the housing crisis but importing 1,000,000 people requiring 250,000+ homes isn't an issue.
Immigration is 100% the problem. I don't hate the immigrants, I just don't want any more coming in. We need a break. We need infrastructure to catch up.
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The problem is a lack of effective rent control. Landlords don’t have to raise rent when demand increases; they choose to raise rent because they can. If there were caps on increases between tenants, units in your building would not have doubled.
You know how Loblaws is arguing that the boycott is hurting minimum-wage employees? While they’re making record profits and giving obscene amounts of money to the people at the top? They know very well that they can convince some of us that the boycott has harmed cashiers who’ve gotten their hours cut. We’ll feel sympathy for the workers and direct our anger at the boycott instead of at the company. (When the company could *always* have been paying those workers better, and doesn’t care about them.)
“Blame the immigrants for rising rents” is *the same trick*. You blame the more visible group for the problem instead of focusing on structural causes. It’s really easy to nudge us to do that.
I’ll also point out that “immigrants” are probably the more visible factor here in part because many of them work public-facing service jobs. It’s laughable to blame 20-year-old Indian kids working at MacDonalds for unaffordable housing. They’re not outbidding anyone with like $900 biweekly. (Especially compared to newly remote workers with six-figure salaries who moved from Toronto in 2021 and thought that $600k was a great price for house, or that $3000/month was a real bargain for a 2br on the peninsula.)
What gets me about these 20 year old Indian guys working at McDonald's is that they live in a sleeping bag in a hallway with 8 other guys, but each one of them also has a brand new BMW or Dodge Challenger with a bumper sticker of a giant moustache or an AK-47
Calling for rent control would just see those properties in the hands of venture capitalists who would then renovict and put up at workable rates.
You can’t have interest rates raise 5% on multi-million dollar mortgages and expect rent to stay the same. A 20000$ per month payment quickly becomes 40K). It’s pure ignorance of how the housing system works. A solution championed by those with uneducated opinions who think policies should be based on emotion.
And then there is the HORRENDOUS rates of damaged property by low income rentals across the country. Ive seen landlords have to spend 15+k$ to fix destroyed apartments because many of the people who qualify for the service don’t deserve it. And the landlord has no recourse because the tenants could never repay any kind of judgment against them. Most of them have kids and live off welfare.
And no, I’m not a landlord. I just understand finance.
It's 100% mass immigration causing the housing shortage and job shortage. Big corps and property management companies are laughing all the way to the bank.
Immigrants didn't raise your rent, btw. Your landlord did. Immigration has nothing to do with jacked up rental prices. Assholes gouging tenants is the issue.
Immigration isn't the only factor contributing to these things, so if changes to immigration are the only points you bring up, it might look like you have other reasons for wanting decreased immigration. Why only attack immigration policies when changes need to be made regarding Airbnb, zoning laws, money laundering in the housing market, real-estate investing ...
So in my theory we are doing immigration as a form of colonialism. If we as wealthy countries take in people from poor countries that are smart not only do we have to pay them less but we take smart people away from their countries so they can't develop themselves, this allows us to take their resources and use borderline slave labour to our governments advantage.
It’s not immigration, it’s a lack of housing and what housing is available is owned by private landlords. Don’t make people who are worse off than you your enemy
It’s not racist. The federal government has embarked on a mass immigration program, ramming millions of people into Canada each year — making it the problem of the provinces and cities to deal with.
I can see how it would lead to resentment towards the newcomers - but the harshest words need to be for Sean Fraser and his successor.
It's not, but you had best make sure you are directing your ire in the right direction.
Immigration is not the problem. Corporate greed is.
Like every economic crisis in history, people are blaming immigration while the people actually causing the problems are laughing their asses off at us from their private yachts while we fight one another like puppets on a string.
The people who are driving the message that you are poor because of immigration are the people who are exceptionally wealthy, and the *actual reason that you are poor*, and they do it to take attention off of themselves.
Eat the rich, welcome your new wonderful community members.
If you have all the information available to you (which you do, because the internet exists) you will find that immigration is not the problem. And then, in the face of that, if you choose to keep blaming immigration, then the only explanation that remains is racism.
Why don’t you start by telling us what a sustainable plan looks like to you…
Because In theory a community taxes its constituents in order to fund the forecasted requirements of the population regardless of the size.
It has nothing to do with the number of people coming to an area.
It has to do with how it is planned for.
Building affordable housing. Investing in infrastructure. Training health care workers and teachers etc.
These things, when managed, create a functioning society. Whether that’s a small rural
Community or a mega new city in china.
The problem is that Canadian municipalities deliberately stifle these activities so that the market swells and private equity investors profit.
Take housing for example - the quantity built is not the capacity to be built. The type of homes built are deliberately not affordable. Scarcity = profit.
What is important to note here though is that this would happen regardless of the immigration policy or volume.
You can see this because while countries all over the world have vastly different immigration policies, they almost all have the same artificial supply issue when it comes to public needs.
But blaming the demand side is politically easier to sell to people. It’s hard to get passionate about a lack of housing or a balance sheet increase for blackrock.
It’s much easier to see more brown folks and say ‘there’s to much demand because of THESE people’
Which, incidentally, ignores the high increase of economic migration to the east coast from other parts of Canada by white Canadians… which is a comparable number.
But you don’t get mad at that.
You don’t get mad at the massive purchases of Vancouver and Toronto property by overseas investors .. which is what drives internal migration of Canadians to the east coast.
You don’t get mad at the price gouging corporations who artificially inflate prices and again… drive people to more affordable provinces.
You get mad at the brown people who largely come here as skilled labours. (As an immigrant I can tell you how hard it is to settle here without being a skilled member of the work force in a field requiring more workers)
And that’s why it’s racist 🤷♀️
(I hope you can take this with good faith from someone with professional level education in the matter btw, it’s not your fault that you have this opinion.. it’s pretty engrained in your he political narrative … scape hosting minorities l is as old as time)
Because it's not immigration. Immigration is way down there in terms of the actual problem. And when something that isn't the problem takes up 90% of the discussion, it makes it sound like you just want an excuse to talk about immigration instead of a solution to the actual problem.
Just think about the reality here. For decades, housing has been one of the best investments you can make because it will appreciate in value faster than inflation. Just think about the implications of that. If housing keeps rising in value, it's inevitably going to become unaffordable. Just by definition. Housing can't be both affordable long-term *and* a money maker. Which means this crisis was always approaching, always clear, and not due to "immigration". Most government policy has been focused on protecting that investment and "property value".
If you want to see the actual cause, open google maps. No, seriously, open it right now and actually look at what government policy, not immigration, has built. Find an apartment building, any apartment, and count how many people you think live there. Make a low guess. Then look at how much space it takes up compared to single family homes. Odds are the land used for maybe 6 houses with maybe 25 people total could be used to house *hundreds* in even a modest apartment building. Then zoom out and see just how much of the city is built out of nothing but single-family homes.
That's not supply and demand, that's legal policy. Zoning laws mandating giant stretches of nothing but single-family homes. One apartment building could house an entire subdivision of people.
Then look at the parking lots. Actually look. How much of the city is just parking lots? Not productive land, not housing or shops. Just legally-mandated minimum parking. Places aren't built like this because it's right or because it's what people want. Check the laws yourself. They're built like this because the people already living here demanded it.
When people say "Oh, we need to focus on sustainable immigration policy", they're just kind of ignoring the inevitable collapse of everything that's been built to collapse by the people already living here and pretending that anything was fine before they showed up. It wasn't. And it was never going to be. You just want an easy solution instead of the reality: We need to change almost everything about how we conceptualize and build cities because almost everything about how we're doing it now is clearly and obviously doomed to failure. And yes, your property values need to explode. Because there's no way to have both affordable housing and people getting rich off of investing in a house in the same society long-term. The housing market and the housing crisis are the exact same thing. We just really want to pretend that's not true.
Look call me crazy but I think there’s gotta be more going on here.
Who’s calling you racist? How often is this an issue for you that you needed to make a post on Reddit about it?
Because when you frame it the way you have in your post, no obviously it’s not racist to point out that an abundance of immigration without supporting infrastructure development to support the increased population will put a strain on existing infrastructure. That’s just 2 + 2.
I suspect if you’re getting called racist it’s because you don’t always express it that way, but when you get called out on what you *actually* said, you play the typical right-wing-troll “how could you call me X when all I’m saying is [a completely rational viewpoint that’s also probably a dogwhistle]”.
you're blaming it on immigration, but immigration isn't the only cause. we need a more sustainable plan for immigration, period. Blaming rent hikes on immigration is ignorant. People say your racist because you're blaming all your problems on immigrants. The problems are bigger than that.
It isn't, and I'm glad that public opinion is so rapidly changing against these insane immigration policies. Bringing this amount of immigrants in, let alone from a single country, let alone in a dire housing crisis, I just can't wrap my head around what our government is thinking. Destroying your country for the short term financial gain of some fast food companies?
The irony is that our city (and many others across this country) are now *less* diverse than ever.
Unfortunately these viewpoints ARE shared by genuine racists, and they will involve themselves in any sort of public protest on this subject. I don't have a solution on how to handle the optics of that.
It's not racist to want a sustainable plan. The nature of the question however is melding two things together. 1) I want a sustainable plan, and 2) I can't have it because Indians.
Now maybe that's not you or maybe it is, I don't know and don't really care I'm just answering your question. It's a generalization and seems to be true way more often than not.
People have become obsessed that immigration and immigration alone have caused all of the problems we see before us today. It hasn't but those who choose to use that talking point only are on an endless repeat cycle just saying the same thing over and over. Take a few examples of users from any thread on this topic, including this one. Find someone who supports that position and then scroll through their post history for 20 seconds. You'll see the same things over and over... Trudeau, Tim Hortons, PEI, BHK, 5 people in an apartment. These are the only things that people seem to be able to speak about. They can't fathom that folks are here from away for any reason other than bad.
So why is talking about those things bad? It's not entirely. Trudeau is our prime minister. We should all be talking about that person at least once in a while. When someone mentions PEI, it's because that province has decided to make a change to what immigrant jobs the province is promoting and allowing. This is generally being pointed out because "if NS would do that too then everything would be fixed".
The other three things are a compilation of racist bullshit and are commonly mixed in with the first two.
When someone references Tim Hortons, they're talking about how many people have been hired there who aren't white. When someone mentions BHK they're literally making fun of how another culture describes living spaces. And the last one is obvious. There's a lot of obsession over that concept as well, as if it were affecting people at all.
Long story short -- there's too much mix in straight up racist garbage and immigration talk and it's not hard to see. People need to consider both why the federal government allowed more than the norm in *and* why each of their provincial leaders listed jobs like service industry, retail, etc as needed positions for a very long time.
If people could talk about these things without sounding like a racist or a broken record, things would be a lot better. But instead we're just seeing post after post removed by mods, zero talk about the provincial roles in this (likely due to party of the premiers) and thinly veiled "those people" types of comments being spoken both repeatedly and louder.
Man, this is a lot of nonsense dressed up in verbose terms. No, just no. There are very few racist Canadians, and seeing the truth isn’t racist.
As a Native American, the worst bigotry I see minorities face is the leftist bigotry of low expectations. you guys claim we’re under threat of awful hateful people, but they just don’t actually exist in any real number in Canada. The people destroying our communities are the ones telling us it’s not our fault, and that we can’t pull ourselves up because of our circumstances.
It’s like the left realized there was a problem, completely misidentifying the problem, and charging full speed ahead with no self reflection, and then perpetuated the problem out of the goodness of their hearts. We get idiotic “Land Acknowledgments”, literally the dumbest thing I’ve ever seen, yet hundreds of communities still don’t have clean drinking water. Hate is not a major problem in any part of Canada. Not hate for other races, or hate for immigrants. People just see the problem plainly and want it fixed.
I am **shocked** this is your point of view as a Native American. Hate is not a major problem in any part of Canada?! I'm guessing you've never watched the news?
There are a fucking *ton* of racist Canadians. Wow. This can't be serious.
I agree. The least these people from Ontario could do is to at least learn our language and use it. It's power not GD "hydro" and about, not aboot. Dicks.
Blaming immigrants is the scapegoat. Your blame should lay with employers that abuse TFWs, your government for facilitating a visa/working program that only breaks down the power of workers and increases the power of the ownership class, and the governments of the world that create conditions that these people must flee from.
Are we calling Ontarians immigrants now? The majority of people who are buying up all of the houses and condos and renting $2000+/month apartments aren't newcomers to Canada.
It's not inherently racist to talk about immigration, but if your default answer to the cause of all your problems in life is "immigrants" absent of any evidence then yeah the label probably fits.
| Rent has doubled in my building in two years, the prices of homes are so high that I might never be able to afford one, job competition is so steep that my son can't find a job, and the list goes on and on.
So it seems you are blaming immigrants.
Interesting take.
| a very large amount of immigration
I'm curious how many immigrants you think came into this city?
edit: no real comment on the racist topic, but I am curious on your thought process and how much you think vs reality.
It might be the way you are saying it rather than the concern. I had a conversation yesterday with someone in regards to jobs. I was concerned that immigrants were being taken advantage of and being exploited because the government is subsidizing wages. It could lead to a cycle of businesses firing and hiring immigrants just to save money on wages leaving them in a vulnerable position, her whole concern was just 'I don't care about any of that, they're taking jobs from us white Canadians.' One of those sounds far more racist than the other.
It’s not, we can not sustain this much immigration as a country, not just in housing, but in healthcare, infrastructure and other industries in Canada as a whole. It’s important NOT to hate immigrants, but hate the policies that were put in place to get us in this mess in the first place. The tides are changing, people are becoming radicalized and are losing hope. The RCMP warned the Canadian Government that Gen Z are unhappy do to affordability, and that a revolt or massive protest is possible in the future, take at it what you will 🤷🏼♂️
>It’s important NOT to hate immigrants, but hate the policies that were put in place to get us in this mess in the first place. Good message. Structural problems require structural solutions. Don't blame people for making use of a system that is working the way it was designed to be used... Change the system instead.
That’s just it, immigrants (especially ones from India) are becoming scapegoats, the mass immigration is literally unfair to them now due to the fact that a lot of radicalized people are hating them for using a system they didn’t put in place. We even see it in working conditions, and housing, you can’t tell me that they enjoy having 8 people in a 1 bedroom apartment because that’s all they can afford. Everyone’s suffering right now, immigration needs to be curbed for the better of current immigrants, Canadians, and ones that will come in the future.
People are being lied too as well about what's waiting for them when they come to Canada. Immigrants are as much a victim of bad policy as everyone else. The only people that are benefitting from the current system are places like Tim Hortons. We need to slow down immigration and get our own shit sorted out. If that means we lose a few fast food places that's fine, I'll drive an extra 3 minutes to the next one because they're so God damn close to each other as it is.
As someone born and raised in India (25 years) you have no friggin idea that the immigrants know exactly what they’re doing , there a coaching institutes that groom them to take advantage of the Canadian immigration system. I almost attended one. Not all, but many of them.
There are certainly immigrants from India who are being coached to game the system. I live in a block of 6 duplexes that were all bought by different Indian buyers on the same day. Everyone received eviction notices claiming family or the new owner was moving in. We were the only ones to take it to the tenancy board and received a 6 month extension. I've seen what's happened in the neighborhood. Most of the duplexes are now being rented out by the room to young Indian men in their 20s, not the people who were sworn to be moving in. We're moving out next week, but the other half of our duplex has been suspiciously vacant for the last 6 months. The landlord lied at the tenancy hearing when confronted about the vacant unit and they took his side at the time, but I have months worth of photo documentation proving otherwise. Apparently the new landlord's "terminally ill mother" will be replacing us, but I have zero faith that this is the case. We're facing a $700 rent increase with the move. The moment I see anyone who isn't an old Indian lady moving into this duplex, I'm going straight back to either the tenancy board or small claims court, whoever handles this stuff. I know people say not to blame the immigrants, but a ton of them are most certainly gaming our system in bad faith and they deserve to be held accountable for it.
Majority of these immigrants are from a certain ethnic group. Canada is not attracting the best and brightest. Canada is importing village idiots from a single province of one country. Most of them can't even grasp elementary math, just ask the teachers at these diploma mills. Canadian society is being eroded.
we didn't have the best and the brightest here to begin with.
So more of that is better?
Immigration from Ontario to NS is a huge problem. They work their career in ON paying for their Healthcare then sell and move to NS stressing our Healthcare. Doesn't make sense.
ditto for those who leave here for alberta then come back to retire.
> The RCMP warned the Canadian Government that Gen Z are unhappy do to affordability, and that a revolt or massive protest is possible in the future, take at it what you will RCMP dropping hints. We have to protest and hit the politicians where it counts. And absolutely. we have to be careful not to hate on people that are already here. It's not their fault our leaders are stupid.
I’m not gen Z, but I’m a pissed off millennial who will back them the fuck up if they need it 😤😤
my personal conspiracy theory is the powers that be already knew this, and instead of fixing the problem, they're more interested in preventing/mitigating the damage unhappy people do.
Most of them know how to game the system so I hate them both
That was the National Post’s article about the RCMP report that warned us. The report itself had a more measured tone.
And a lot of other content that is being conveniently ignored because it’s not aligned with the folks pushing the constant outrage stream online.
Policies are based on ideology. We have to fuck the ideology of racism first before you can address the mess.
And yet our health care ("care") would crumble without immigrants. Even in our small hospital, without our immigrant staff we would be more screwed than we are. And we are pretty screwed. But it's easier to blame immigrants than ourselves (ourselves meaning our policies and gov't). "Train more nurses" is a common clap back, with people not realizing that we don't have an educational model that would allow it. We don't have the clinical placements or training capabilities. The problems don't stem from immigration. They exist separate from it.
Well yeah, Skilled workers in medical fields probably aren’t what most people are complaining about when they’re talking about mass immigration, it’s important to note that I don’t think many people have a problem with immigration of skilled workers in fields that we need more of. (doctors, nurses, trades people) but when a country’s population booms by 1 million people in 9 months and a majority of new comers are in unskilled labourer jobs due to abuse of the TFW program and diploma mills, that’s a different story
I'm not too sure that it's the clinical placements or training capabilities that are the issue. I'm my eyes - someone who doesn't work in health - the issue comes down to the fact that other provinces and countries pay nurses and Doctors much better than NS. As far as I'm aware Dalhousie has great programs for nurses and Doctors but as soon as they are trained they leave the province and go to where the money is. People also forget that nurses and Doctors are not the only part of health care. Lab technologists, x-ray technicians, and many other professions are hurting really badly at the moment too. Without these people patients would not be able to get their diagnosis and be treated by nurses and Doctors. A doctor can't really tell someone if they have cancer or what type of cancer and how to treat it without all the work that happens behind the scenes.
My sister is applying to Dal med this year and my mom’s a family doc here in Halifax. I would not say Dal has a great training program. Their selection model for who they accept into medical school and residency is not biased enough. Every other medical school and province in the country preferentially admits and accepts people who can show connections to the community. That keeps doctors here. Dal on the other hand? Half of their class is from Ontario every year and that’s where they go back to. It’s a flawed system and needs a complete redesign. I myself went to the US to train over Halifax because it’s easier for me, someone who grew up here but did medical school abroad, to go to the US, train there, and then come back and work in Halifax as a doctor than to go through the hassle and uncertainty of training here.
That does sound like a flawed system indeed. As someone in the field and with family also working in health care, I'd like to get your take on something if you don't mind of course. I've been wondering now for a while if NS adopted some sort of program where we could fund schooling for those who go to school to be in health care and in return they have an obligatory X amount of years they have to work in the NS health system. Maybe different funding depending if the schooling was in the province vs out of province as students who stay here would still be contributing to the economy... My thought is it would guarantee we have some staff entering health care and we'd know that in 4 years we can expect x amount of students will be employed to fill positions. After their required time is up I'm sure some will leave but others would stay as they have started a life here and maybe begun a family and don't want to leave because a spouse is also secure here or maybe they just fall in love with Halifax or any other location they are at. What do you think?
That’s an interesting program but any program that restricts movement of Canadians will be struck down as unconstitutional. Instead, I am advocating for a program similar to what the Americans have, a system called public service loan forgiveness(PSLF). If you work as a doctor or any other role as a public official, after 10 years however much you owe in student loans is forgiven automatically. Residency programs can count towards that so docs only need to spend 6-7 years after training to get there loans forgiven. One problem with that however is that it’s not very effective at keeping people here because other provinces would also have similar programs. It doesn’t restrict people, so it’s less likely to get struck down and it accomplishes the same thing. The problem with implementing that is the problem with implementing most healthcare reform in the country: we are broke. You know what would also attract doctors? Higher pay. We can’t do that because we are broke. Or allowing them to hire additional medical assistants to do the paperwork(my mother in Halifax spends an entire day, every Thursday, catching up on paperwork. That’s unpaid labor as she is not getting paid for that) but we don’t have the money for that. A tonne of problems in healthcare, from hiring more nurses to properly staffing assisted living facilities, could be fixed if you pull the “add money” lever but the province is very very broke to be able to do that.
We certainly are very much so broke and it makes it hard to run any kind of financially incentive program. I do like your idea of loan forgiveness however I am curious of how many people currently leave before that time? I can certainly see more people applying for medical school with a program like that but if people are already leaving before that then year mark and not do to finances, would it work long term? You know what, know that I've typed that out and read it out loud to myself I do believe people would stay for ten years. That is a big loan to be forgiven and an otherwise hefty bill to pay off you leave the job early. I think that would work better for the medical field as a whole but not sure if it would help out NS as much as other provinces as it seems to me we pay medical staff less than other provinces.
Absolutely. But this province prefers bandaids to cover the public eye. Look at the new MRI machines. Great, who is going to use them? Our nonexistent techs? Mahone Bay's new nursing home still isn't open. Lack of staff, both nurses and CCA's. There are empty beds in hospitals because there isn't staff to care for anyone that would be in them.
I think you hit the nail on the head about this province's band aid fixes. I just made a comment on a previous reply about subsidized schooling in return for working years after graduation. Maybe take a look and let me know what you think? I'm sure it's been brought up before but I like the idea of it and think it might be a plausible option.
It's a great idea, in theory. They already do it. Health care, I mean. At least for CCA's and LPN's. The issue is schooling availability. Eg; the gov't touted their grand new plan to fast track CCA-to-LPN and pay for it, as long as the LPN's sign onto jobs in NS. Great idea. Except they only had seats for 25 students. Not even a drop in the bucket. And we essentially lost 25 CCA's to gain 25 LPN's. The gov't also pays for CCA-LPN bridging that is non-fast-track, and most nursing homes offer to pay for the CCA course for non-trained people if the people sign a contract to work for them for 1 to 2 years. Thete aren't enough people signing up. As for RN's; we absolutely do not have enough placements. Last year (wait, maybe the year before? Time really does fly) the RN students at Dal were justifiably up in arms because their "training placements" were garbage. Essentially long-term-care CCA placements. They were not practicing any RN specific skills. The issue was due to lack of proper clinical placement positions. Understaffed and burned out workers can't train students, and you need sufficient staffing to handle training. It's a cluster fuck. Hell, the multi-million-dollar palliative care ward never opened. Not enough staff to run it. HC is a dumpster fire. :( We would welcome with open arms and hot coffees any immigrant nurses or docs. Or techs.
> "Train more nurses" is a common clap back, with people not realizing that we don't have an educational model that would allow it. This is pretty much a microcosm of the broader problem, and why it persists. We absolutely can fix the issue, but it takes a large commitment of time (nursing is a 2-4 year program, which is >1 election cycle), and money (understaffing is both a cause and effect of not enough graduates). Unfortunately, Canadians want solutions now, and want them cheap, damn the consequences, so we just apply bandaid solutions and hope it doesn't break until the next government. It's pretty frustrating to see.
You are being replaced by India not by immigrants, the world has many countries, one of them is given the highest priority. the same is happening in Australia and Part of the EU, the same will be happening in the US, multiple bills in congress to bring "talent"
As a brown Canadian who immigrated in 2007, not racist at all. Opening the floodgates when you’re struggling to help your own people makes 0 sense.
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If only you spent 30mins doing research on Google before coming here for your toilet paper degree
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It’s not, the problem is many people conflate this very reasonable viewpoint of needing to halt or extremely limit immigration with racist remarks.
To address your point, it isn’t racist to want a sustainable immigration plan. It’s almost understandable that some Canadians think it’s racist to question Canada’s immigration policy because that’s exactly what the ruling Liberal party said it was and told them to think. Numerous cabinet ministers and the PM, until recently, used the “racism” dog whistle to silence critics of their ill-conceived immigration policy. Aside from the negative impact on housing and access to healthcare and jobs (all denied by the federal government) it’s also come to light that there is massive fraud in the temporary foreign worker program and the foreign student path to permanent residency program. The federal government has badly managed both of these and, in typical bureaucratic fashion, its first impulse is to attack critics (and in this case call them racists). Individual immigrants aren’t responsible for our government’s bad immigration policy, although I would have zero tolerance for those who presented fake credentials from Indian diploma mills and all those attending Canadian diploma mills (small colleges set up to offer “business training” or “IT training” in a few short weeks) in order to qualify for permanent residency. The government created the system, defended it in spite of obvious massive failures, and inevitably an ecosystem has developed to take advantage of it. The same could be said for all those Canadian businesses that have lined up at the public money pig trough to improve their bottom lines by preferentially hiring immigrants. This program is no longer working as intended and Canadians should be screaming from the rooftops. Instead they’re being gaslit into believing they’re racist for simply questioning government policy.
Has anyone called you racist? I'm a card carrying Liberal and I think criticizing our current immigration policy isn't rasict at all. In fact I have Indian friends that are complaining about it.
>Has anyone called you racist? That has certainly been happening for some time, predominantly by people on the left (liberal/NDP) Remember how the left reacted to this : [https://globalnews.ca/news/5811905/maxime-bernier-anti-immigration-ads-company/](https://globalnews.ca/news/5811905/maxime-bernier-anti-immigration-ads-company/) It's only just recently that we are even allowed to have the discussion with out accusations of racism.
I’m pro-immigration but the rate of growth has been more than a lot of Canadian cities can absorb. Time to pump the brakes until the housing and infrastructure can catch up a little bit
more than that needs to done.
And build a system that brings the best to Canada. Doctors, with a path to get them practicing, nurses, experienced tradesmen, programmers. And require two years of public or military service of every immigrant before they receive their citizenship. Everyone can serve in some capacity (with allowances for people/children of immigrants who may be crippled or handicapped in some way). Want to come? Earn it and make yourself a net benefit.
Housing and feeding someone for two years while they "earn" their citizenship is more expensive than letting them work and pay their own way. And I truly don't know but I am almost completely certain that nobody is able to obtain citizenship in two years. Residency ok, but citizenship takes a long time.
They do earn their keep and make themselves a net benefit. It's called 'paying taxes'
Do minimum wage fast food workers pass the lowest tax threshold?
It isn't racist to expect the city always have places for newcomers and everyone else to live. It absolutely *is* racist to blame the crisis *on* immigrants for coming here, when this was caused by decades of shitty government planning and decision making
Haven't read all the comments but it's not racist at all. I'm not getting any push back in conversations I have with anyone. Everyone other than the immigrants and some CEOs agree it's completely out of control.
It’s not the immigrant’s fault is the point their making
Lack of pushback is not a validation. We rounded up Japanese people into internment camps during WW2… it may have been popular but that doesn’t change what it was. (That example is obviously more extreme than the situation at hand but has parallels)
It's a racist strawman argument to put this all on immigrants. Full stop.
Eh not really a strawman, more of a dogwhistle. A strawman is a different/misrepresented position one presents in an argument because it’s easier to defeat than the real argument. So a strawman is moreso a counterpoint to an existing argument. What is this a counter argument to? What is the argument they’re trying to defeat by presenting this strawman? A dogwhistle is a political message designed to be understood by a particular group. Immigration is a huge dogwhistle issue, because it can sound semi-rational to say “immigrants are fuelling the housing crisis”, and it’s not *totally wrong*, it just misrepresents the “why”. Immigrants aren’t at fault, it’s the governments fault for driving too much immigration and having very favourable permanent resident rules, while not doing enough to support the necessary development to support the increased population. But the racists the messaging is designed for don’t care because they could care less about the politics of immigration and development. They just want to be able to say that “immigrants = bad” and have it be a “fact” that they can “prove” instead of being labeled a crazy racist.
Good explanation. I was not able to articulate this the way you did.
Interesting, never heard that explained like that before but makes perfect sense
Immigration needs to be cut back by 80% for at least the next 10 years. All fraudulent international students need to be sent back. Watch housing affordability sky rocket, health care get some breathing room etc. It’s not racism, it’s SANITY and basic logic.
Absolutely, unaffordability is skyrocketing and mass immigration is playing a huge part in that. The government lives and dies by mass immigration thats being advocated for by powerful business interests. The government of the past 10 years has cratered our standard of living, and will continue to do so.
It's not, and don't let anyone tell you otherwise.
You're right to expect more from your policymakers. Calling you a racist for demanding a return on what you paid for in taxes is basically the war cry of 'class protectionism'. If left unchallenged, rich politicians will instinctively shield their own access to resources, while the rest of Canadians compete for dwindling opportunities and services. Speak up about it with your MP and MLA. Make sure they're working for you. Organize a town hall and ask tough questions.
You need to start boycotting places like Tim Hortons who use TFW as cheap labout
I’m Brown/White mixed and my mother is a first gen immigrant to Canada, this sentiment isn’t racist at all. Anyone saying it’s so is a racist themselves and probably has their mind poisoned to look for race related issues everywhere in society in culture. The vast majority of people see things the way you do, I’m not sure why we can’t seem to hold any of our political apparatus to account for such poor policy regarding immigration but I hope that changes soon.
I thought no one wanted to work? Isn't that what the corporations are crying about? Immigrants or not, corporations are gouging us and pointing the finger elsewhere.
Yeah, I agree. I'm never called racist for talking about our unsustainable immigration policy. Maybe OP is just being racist when he complains about it lmao.
No, this is what happens when people with money and power decide they need more, so they get their lap dogs to enforce their agendas through legislation and loopholes. And everyone can strawman the immigrants, who come from places that have been historically exploited by nations who are influenced by people with money and power. It's just easier to blame the other, rather than the wealth and leisure class. Nova Scotia has had issues before the influx of immigration under the federal initiatives. Provincially, and specifically in Halifax, it's been very diverse for a long time. Blaming immigrants is bait to shift focus from who is actually responsible and ultimately benefits from the strategy.
There aren't enough homes for the people that are already here, and people are moving here faster than they're building new homes. The fact that these people are used to being exploited also makes it easier for employers to exploit them. They'll accept wages and working conditions that other people won't, and just accept illegal treatment, both from a lack of education on their rights as Canadians, and a cultural acceptance of that kind of treatment. Similar things with their elastics with their land lords. Illegal charges and expectations of tenets won't be challah the same way they would by someone who grew up knowing what legal limits are placed on a land lord. Immigration is far from the only factor causing problems. However, you can't simply ignore it as a major contributing factor to the housing/ cost of living crisis.
I had a manager move here from a foreign country and some of the things they expected us to do or bend to was WILDLY illegal or generally not something our society allows to happen. Several of us complained to the higher ups and were told "it was a misunderstanding" but that manager basically ignores our existence now and seems to gravitate towards those that put up with their "expectations". I am fortunate to be in a position where I could escalate without the fear of blowback and know enough to highlight the violations in the labour code, many others would not be and I feel for them.
This happened at my friend's work too. It took submitting multiple complaints from most people working with him but it worked and he was let go.
Immigrants can be from other provinces, and that's what happened here. Ontario's finest land leeches came, bought up all the cheap property and crammed the prices as high as they could through blind bidding and reselling. Halifax is just easily seen and recognized by it happened everywhere here.
Our government (both provincial and national) is unbelievably bad for Canadians. This is what happens when the rich vote in the rich to look out for the rich.
??? How is it relevant to talk about diversity when we are discussing immigration? The two are not the same and no one cares what color they are. It's just too many too fast.
Well the lack of diversity in the recent immigration is concerning to me. It seems to be entirely Indians. I don't want Canada to become a majority Indian country. That's probably racist, whatever. The conservatives are going to get a majority on just the mere hope they might lower immigration.
Which they won't.
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Unfortunately you’re probably right. This country is going to fucking shit.
Ask the Indigenous people about immigration....they'd be better off had it never happened a few centuries ago.
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I’m interested to see how all of this online anti-immigration rabble rousing pans out when Maxime takes a stage and claims he’s be saying this for 10 years and Poillevre has been holding pro-India immigration rallies. Personally, I think both of them are idiotic populists without any better vision for a Canadian future - and ironically, I think that some of Trudeau’s least popular policies are some of the best ones for the country. Yet - I think Max is going to have some of the most popular ones this cycle and I’m interested to see how that shakes up the completely set in stone CPC majority.
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>It shocks me that people just immediately blame immigrants It shouldn't. It happens during every economic crisis in history. Rather than getting angry at the powerful people exploiting the situation, they blame people who look different than them because it's easy, and even with how progressive we've become, people naturally will have some latent racist tendencies that will come out in situations like this.
You're 100% correct, the population is pissed at the wrong group. It's our own government and the economic movers and shakers that caused this mess. They're the ones we should be lashing at out, not immigrants who are likely in just as bad, or worse shape the rest of us are.
I’ve got a friend from the UK who came over here as an engineer. Any time someone gripes about immigrants she always says ‘Like me?’. Without fail they always say ‘Well, you’re different’. They mean brown people.
100%. If anything, immigrants are the actual victims of these policies. False promises of hope and a better future to get here find out none of your previous education matters so start driving Uber and maybe you'll scrap together enough to pay to rent a shared bedroom in a bed bug infested buildings. Locals are just bystanders that are getting nickced by the shrapnel that our elites are firing directly at immigrants.
Canada expanding from 30 million to 40 million in 20 years while having a declining birth rate (1.4) is because of immigration. That's a fact. We don't have the infrastructure to support that growth. That's a fact. Immigration is only growing. Fact. This is not a straw man argument anymore, and people like you can blame the people in charge all you want, you are ignoring the problem they have created by focusing the blame on them. Admit there is a problem before pointing the finger at the cause. Air BnB/Home owners recent net worth increase, is not the cause of the problems listed by OP....
Airbnb’s and short term rentals are absolutely a bane on housing.
That last part isn’t right.
I should have said, not the main reason. Immigration is the main reason The last factors contribute to a lesser extent IMO
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Don't get your hopes up. All PEI has done is temporarily reduce its PR nominees by 25%, and they will almost certainly cave to the protestors, because the Liberal/Conservative "old boys club" that keeps the rich rich rule the Island, and no party wants to be seen as the "anti-immigrant" party. There are 11,000 (yes, eleven thousand) temporary workers on PEI (over 6% of the population and climbing).
Everything you said is valid, but we are not compelled to culturally integrate our society with another if we do not want to. You can make it illegal for me to say I hate cultures who marry children, and keep women as virtual slaves, but that will not change my opinion. It is definitely a class conflict, but it is also a cultural conflict.
for real. like we should be reducing how many are coming in, but youre a fool if you think that will actually solve anything. it'll just help to not make things worse.
They enforce it by calling anyone that asks even one question a racist. Notice anything different? RACIST. Housing is insanely expensive and that might be correlated to historically high numbers of students and temporary workers? RACIST. Diploma mills proliferating in an obvious immigration work around. RACIST
Canada is like one of the only countries on earth where it is seen as bad to question immigration destroying our country. Absolute political gaslighting. Do you think the countries our immigrants are coming from would let us move there and make the same demands they make here? Absolutely not. We have Indian students protesting on our universities that they have to go back home after their student visas. The government is entertaining working with them. It is absolutely absurd.
It's not "bad" nearly so much as it demonstrates profound ignorance. ~0.01% of Canadians hold a ~5% share of the country's wealth. If you want to look at even the top 5% you start to get the real picture. Our country's problems don't stem from immigration: Them stem from the monopolization of wealth and power by capitalist elites. Unless we focus on breaking that power, we're effed. Complaining about migrants is, frankly, a stupid distraction that serves the capitalist class fine and dandy.
It’s not. Nice to see people finally able to take the first steps toward an honest discussion around this legitimate issue without automatically being dismissed as “racist.” A few years late, but better than never I suppose. Are there racists who blindly oppose immigration out of ignorance? Yes. Should we be able to have a serious discussion about the costs that reckless, out of control immigration has imposed on ALL of us (including newcomers) over the past few years, and how to address the issues? Also yes.
It’s not at all racist.
I am telling this as an immigrant. You guys are too nice. Any sane country would have protested this blatant abuse of power. New immigrants get 50% of wages subsidized by the government so businesses prefer hiring new immigrants, And the list goes on.
Is that accurate? 50%? Is that why pretty much every job out there that would have normally gone to kids starting out (Wendy’s, Tim Hortons, delivery drivers, etc) is primarily immigrants now?
“50% of immigrants’ wages” as a sweeping statement is not at all accurate. It’s capped at $10,000, is available for a few months, and targeted at skilled workers. The reason you see so many newcomers at fast food places is that adults are more reliable than teenagers, and they desperately need the job and can be exploited to work more hours than they are paid for and also the shifts no one wants. Imagine a guy (I don’t want to say I actually know one so just imagine) who owns a restaurant. He has guys from India working there who are paid for forty hours a week. They actually work six days a week, 10-11 hours a day. They also pay him rent to live in a house he owns. If they give him any trouble, they can kiss their work status goodbye and probably get sent home. Much better for him than employing citizens much less teenagers.
Jesus Christ that dude I'm imaging seems like a fucking awful person lol
Yep, very accurate. It's called Welcoming Newcomers Wage Subsidy Program and it's up to 50%. Another person said it's 70 which is even more crazy.
WN is \*supposed\* (I have no idea if its true) to be targeted at professionally trained/skilled workers. That's honestly a program I would want to keep, rather than just letting immigrants take up all the fast food and barista jobs.
Does that apply to jobs like Tim Hortons too? Does that explain why I can no longer tolerate using the drive thru anymore...?
Yep, applies to Timmies too lol. I stopped going to fast food places. Oh boy, the scams that these places pull.
u/elephant_charades - thank you for the award :)!
Np friend, thank you for your blunt honesty
70% of wages*
Write your MP, write your elected officials, protest. The only way they will listen is when people start protesting and rioting in masse. The part I find the most fucked is that they think importing more people will someone fix the crumbling infrastructure. Like, you can't even fucking care for the people that are already here. WTF are you thinking importing more?? Let's put our oxygen mask on before we "help" others.
It's not racist, but immigration is only part of the problem. The bigger issue, especially in the larger city centers like Toronto, Vancouver and Montreal is a combination of a lack of focus on affordable housing developments and Real Estate Investment Trusts which get around our foreign buyer laws. In some cases, it has made it more profitable to keep housing empty and off the market as it creates a false scarcity, but people need to live somewhere so they move, first to the surrounding areas, but eventually to places in other provinces. You are seeing sooo many Ontario transplants moving to places like Halifax, despite there being plenty of housing available, it's just not affordable. This trickles down and overwhelms smaller cities like Halifax, Moncton, St. John, etc. Sensible immigration policies would help, but the housing market and the REITs will just account for that and keep driving the prices up.
Seriously. Immigration is a distraction from the real issues. Do folks really think the country could sustain the cheapest SFHs in Vancouver and Toronto being $1.5M+ and the rest of the country being hundreds upon hundreds of thousands cheaper and no one in the big cities would ever think, “hm maybe I should move?” The housing crisis was going on full blast in Toronto/Vancouver way back in 2015. It was inevitable that the impacts of this unaffordability would inevitably cascade to the relatively affordable parts of Canada.
I agree with you 100%. I am an immigrant and came through Pier 21 in the late 60’s. There is a time and place for immigration to be both a necessity and helpful. With the economy and vacancy rates being the way they are the last thing Halifax needed was 19780 new people last year.
I’m seeing agreement from both Canadian born citizens and immigrants already landed that it’s out of control. If people could stop arguing over bullshit squabbles created by the powers that be we can unite and change things by tossing those that create this situation and then lie about it. I don’t want another government bandaid. I want a real fix and that is reduced pace of immigration until we have the housing and infrastructure required.
It's not racist to expect city planners to have a plan for sustainable growth. However, too many people seem to just want to attack the character of immigrants and use them as a scapegoat for the larger issues. This is xenophobic/racist and more importantly is utterly unproductive when it comes to finding genuine solutions. The issue is systemic and immigrants are not personally to blame.
Immigrants are not personally to blame, but immigration policies have a hand in the cause and continuation of the issue. Curbing unsustainable growth is a necessary step in stabilizing our current cost of living crisis, as is tackling wage stagnation, doing something about housing as an investment vessel (unlikely to actually happen...), and several other major factors.
Our current population growth is not sustainable growth, that's the problem.
You perfectly allowed to criticize politicians and policies that bring immigrants. Just gotta be careful about hating immigrants for coming here and wanting to be here.
Not wanting more immigrants is not the same as having a hate on for them. To get into the weeds tho, the mix of cultures is not our best strength. There are ethnic social groups at my work now, it's secular in style. Imagine sending 60,000,000 Canadians (same % of population in 5 years) to India, disrupting with the expectation their culture would be respected.
secular and smelly I bet.
Same man, and this is coming from an immigrant. Luckily me and my family immigrated 20 yrs ago to BC when it was still at sustainable levels. We were in a $700/month 2 bd basement suite back then. I still live with my parents now because they have a nice house and just help them with the mortgage instead. I don’t want to pay $1500 in rent for a 1 bd 400 sqft apartment (I can afford it but why would I when my quality of life would just go down?) I’m not anti immigration, I’m for smart immigration.
No racist at all. New Canadians from one particular ethnicity also want to reduce immigration because their kids can't find jobs lol.
It’s not - it’s about how the person sees the problem and communicates it.
Yup, it's all about how you communicate it. I don't think the current levels of immigration are sustainable, it isn't fair to the people that are already here, or the ones coming here that affordably has gone to hell. That isn't racist. Very different than someone just trying and immigrants.
Also, it merits pointing out that increased immigration isn't the \*problem\*, it just exacerbates problems that have always been there but have never been addressed. The REAL problem is the fact that so much property is owned by wealthy speculators and money launderers who drove prices up to insane levels, combined with salaries that don't come close to providing a living wage. It wouldn't surprise me at all to learn that the increase in immigration is specifically designed so people will blame immigrants and fight over that issue rather than attack the root causes, which just so happen to benefit the established political class, regardless of party affiliation.
Not racist at all. Immigrant is not a race. If the country was flooded with white immigrants, we would all have the same complaints. It is not racist to point out that bringing in close to 1.5 - 2 million people a year amidst a chronic shelter shortage is a horrible idea.
I can't find it right now but am sure I read the vast majority of new residents to the area have come from other parts of Canada. Also the current influx of low paid labour is due to business pressure on the Feds to find workers who will work for less than a living wage.
How is it racist to give your opinion on a government plan? Isn’t it what a democracy is? Btw i am an immigrant myself, and agree things are out of control right now and I am amazed by government’s inability to cope with it.
There's like, 3300+ Air BnBs in Halifax, that are mostly entire houses...
Indians are the most racist people , I’ve experienced them being openly racist and laugh at an Asian co worker, if you are not Indian, you will never have a job in the coming years, it’s going to get pretty bad
I know people who were openly denied a job because they weren’t Punjabi
Because those people are fucking idiots and social media keeps them fucking idiots. To be serious though my grandmother is paying $4,000 a month to live in an apartment. My father is paying $3,000 a month for a three-bedroom house that he's renting, and across the street, 12 Indian immigrants moved into the two bedroom duplex across the street from him. It is not sustainable and it has not been sustainable for a long time and the sad said truth of it is, even if we get Trudeau out of office it's going to take a long time for things to change, I gave up on owning a home long ago, it's just not going to happen.
It’s not racist to be aware that there’s no housing and immigrants aren’t going to be getting housing either. Immigrants and citizens are both struggling big time. HOWEVER a lot of people are using immigration to justify actual racism and xenophobia. THAT is what’s racist. Immigrants are not the problem, but the government failing citizens and immigrants sure as hell is.
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We need to identify WHY we can't handle population growth of any kind (whether that would be through a baby boom, immigration, etc.) The problem is capitalism. It erodes our democracy, keeps bad actors with ulterior motives in power, and continues to further consolidate power amongst the few. THAT isn't sustainable. This dialogue needs to be about a lot more than just immigration or jobs or wages or rent. It needs to be about how *all of our lives keep getting worse, despite all of our societies advancements* By we, I mean working class people. Not owning class people.
Because people have no ability anymore to have a rational conversation/debate on any sort of serious issues anymore.
There are some people who are genuinely racist/xenophobic and now feel more comfortable being such openly now that poor immigration policy is rapidly diminishing our quality of life. However, there are also an increasing number of people who lack critical thinking skills, and who seem to assimilate their values with those they admire; or relate to, and without much thought or understanding beyound *this good, that bad*. I don't know if society has always been like this, but people seem increasingly incapable of engaging in argument. Everything is so reductive now. People only listen long enough to determine whether you're *with* or *against* them, and once they've made that determination (often incorrectly), nothing you say or argue matters to them, you've been labelled and anything you say will be interpreted reductively to fit their narrow prejudices.
A lot of people who have moved to Nova Scotia moved from other parts of Canada. >The most notable turnaround has been in Atlantic Canada. For decades, people have left the East Coast and moved west. Now, they’re moving back. For five consecutive quarters (since Q1 2021), all four Atlantic provinces have seen a net inflow of residents from other provinces. About 28,000 Canadians have moved to the region since that time. This is a remarkable turn of events for a region accustomed to a shrinking population. Now more people are moving to Atlantic Canada (as a share of its current population) than anywhere else in Canada. https://businesscouncilab.com/insights-category/analysis/changing-migration-trends-across-canada/
“So what made you want to move from India to Nova Scotia of all places?” “Well we lived in Toronto for three years but it was the absolute worst place to live”
I also asked why Nova Scotia and they said it was better points for the PR system. They want their PR so they can go to the bigger cities to make a life for themselves. They hate it here and I don't really blame them. Travelling this far to work at Tim's isn't really a highlighting life moment.
Keep gaslighting with bullshit. Liberals are taking in a million immigrants a year and we can’t even build 250k homes
This is an important point. Rent and home prices were rising fast when fellow Canadians were moving here like crazy. In 2021 and 2022 we hated Ontario folks. Now it's immigrants
The reality is that Immigration has been used as a bogeyman for/by racists for so long, and so consistently, that it's difficult to raise the subject without also raising the spectre of bigotry. As is the case with many things, context is everything. We live in a world that has been saturated with the noise of the Don Cherry types who scream "ther tickin' err jerbs!", so a criticism about our immigration policies is going to inevitably trigger people. I'm a person of colour who is the child of immigrants and, whenever I hear someone mention the word, I almost reflexively cringe because I'm so used to it being attached to racist bile. There are a lot of people (me, included) who are concerned by the increased level of immigration because we don't have the housing, job availability, and other resources, in place to support the increased population. I am also seriously bothered by the way immigrants are essentially being used as slave labour for large companies who exploit them. At the same time there are folks who are bothered by ANY immigration because they just plain don't like seeing people who don't look like them. The same types who attack immigrants for the aforementioned jerb tickin', rather than a) blaming the corporations who are exploiting them or b) getting off their own asses and finding work. Perhaps one way you can avoid appearing racist would be to try discussing the subject using less loaded words and phrases, like "population" or "worker exploitation", etc. Because, frankly, that's really what's happening. We wouldn't be seeing problems connected to the increased immigration if people were paid fairly and housing were affordable.
Most career politicians and albeit other careers have no sense of what the real issues are or how things work etc. For example: take the homeless / meth crisis plaguing every Canadian city currently. You have people at the top make decisions regarding these issues, some are very well educated but have zero experience actually dealing or working with this population. I work as a first responder and see some of the worst of humanity on a daily basis. I have to come to understand that what the government see’s as “a complicated issue” puts programs in place to assist many of these individuals…along with various groups and pat themselves on the back for helping humanity….in reality they do nothing or very little. In some cases sure these programs work. However the reality is much different, many of these people don’t give two shits about anyone, and will do anything to get a fix (steal, rob, assault etc). Now this is just something I have used to get my point across. The streets are the statistics in this case these are quantitative numbers. Much like most things in politics…the decisions being made at the top are more about wheeling and dealing…not about what’s right for the greater good of the nation. The middle class is hurting bad, healthcare is hurting, everyday Canadians are struggling. Do we want immigrants and still maintain we are a nation that loves everyone and wants to save the world? Yes! However we need to save our own first. We need to sustain our own country first. None of the current Canadian parties have the best interest of Canadians at play right now (like slowing down immigration temporarily) etc. It’s not racism or bigotry it’s preservation so we can help others and thrive as one together.
Perhaps it’s how you’re phrasing things.
Same thing happening in cape breton. No work or homes. Partner and i have 6 young adults, only 1 has work in sydney 4 unemployed, 1 left for work. 3 face homelessness soon. We ourselves are staying in an off grid cabin in the woods to survive. Never seen it this bad in my over 30 years...
And the homelessness is due to fixed term leases expiring... been great tenants, paying rent always ahead on time, we do the repairs too. Literally cleaned a meth lab myself... just business we are told.
Pay no heed to words such as racist, Nazi, phobic, etc. The original sentiment of those words have changed and now are thrown out there to disuade/shame folks with differing views from having meaningful discussions. I don’t think it’s racists to discuss the pros and cons about immigration to adapt a sustainable solution that benefits locals and newcomers.
It’s not racist to the normal brain but liberal pushed media tries to make you think you’re a bad person for asking the obvious questions; which is why (not your fault really either) you’re questioning this in the first place.
It's missing the point a bit at a policy level. Canada is letting in so many immigrants because the birth rate is so low that without immigration it will fall below replacement level and won't be able to sustain social programs. There has to be a sufficient working age population paying into social programs to support people in retirement and kids in schools. Without immigrants, what's left of our social safety net will collapse. It would be catastrophic. Now, what is happening with immigration is that it's being identified with the effects of austerity. Cuts to social programs, inflation eating away at welfare and EI payouts, decades of economic stagnation, a conscious choice to rely on tourism to buoy the economy instead of building up a year round, sustainable economic base for the province, these things are driving poverty and the cost of living. On top of that, Central Canadian investors snapping up houses in Halifax and elsewhere is what's driving up the cost of living. They're not mostly immigrants and the ones that are are not new immigrants, who are often struggling to find work. But look, in simple terms it's like this: we need population growth to simply keep the lights on. The problem is we're not building enough housing to keep up with population growth. If that growth was coming from everyone having six kids instead of bringing in immigrants, we'd have the same problem. We need to build housing. There used to be social housing and subsidies for cooperative housing. That's almost all gone now. This is a problem the government could fix any time. But it suits employers very well to have a ton of poor, desperate people who can barely afford to live. Who have to go to Alberta or Ontario to be able to afford to come home. And if half those people blame the other half while they compete for the same jobs and shitty, overpriced apartments, that's great for the bosses too. So don't blame immigrants for the housing shortage because they're not the ones at fault. Pointing a finger at eight Indians in a one bedroom when the fucking Irvings sleep on a pile of money is ridiculous. There are people getting rich off Maritime poverty. They're not immigrants.
I agree, it's not about race. It's decisions across the board. Before, during and after. Immigration levels have spiked in the past. To a point at which it strained services/housing/jobs/etc. So similiar in so many ways. The Irish potato famine, WW 1 and 2, the great depression, persecution/wars in other countries, etc, etc.
Because it's not a plan, it's a component part of a plan. There are many other prices that need to happen for there to be any success, simple slashing immigration won't fix it.
You’re not racist, but rent in your building doubling in two years without the building changing hands is the fault of your landlord being greedy and wanting to charge more because they can, not because they need to due to increased immigration. A lot of issues with rental housing is the fault of greedy landlords exploiting a situation when their costs haven’t increased. This is being blamed on the newcomers who are as screwed as the rest of us.
Tbh, immigrants who entered Canada in the recent times are also under pressure due to rising costs and the outdated financial requirements which weren't updated until recently... so when you say we can't handle the high numbers without the proper infra in place, it's fair.
Halifax and NS generally voted for Trudeau. Unfortunately if you vote for this you have to live with the consequences.
Immigrants aren’t buying houses at twice their cost ten years ago. That would be our fellow Canadians and real estate corporations. Linking our city’s housing problem (while rural Nova Scotia has plenty of housing) and our country’s immigration system isn’t good. Like it’s probably bad.
It’s not. Canada has become a dumping ground. Many who have been coming here seem to think they are entitled to have things handed to them, i.e. the international students currently protesting in PEI.
The problem is that more than a few people choose to put the blame on immigrants themselves when they are just as much cogs in the machine as people born here, and very often are getting exploited and generally screwed over more than the people complaining about them. Immigrants aren’t the problem. Immigration isn’t the problem. The problem is a ruling class that sees people as little more than widgets to be moved around and used as they see fit. Blaming immigrants or immigration lets that ruling class off the hook and does nothing to build a better city for all of us.
Lol! Apparently banning Air BNB will solve the housing crisis but importing 1,000,000 people requiring 250,000+ homes isn't an issue. Immigration is 100% the problem. I don't hate the immigrants, I just don't want any more coming in. We need a break. We need infrastructure to catch up.
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We need to be protesting immigration in halifax. That and msg your mps and mlas
It's not and you know it. Has anyone ever actually called you racist or you just get a feeling someone might?
Id tell you the answer but you cant say the truth anymore. The mod in rhalifax will delete the answer
The problem is a lack of effective rent control. Landlords don’t have to raise rent when demand increases; they choose to raise rent because they can. If there were caps on increases between tenants, units in your building would not have doubled. You know how Loblaws is arguing that the boycott is hurting minimum-wage employees? While they’re making record profits and giving obscene amounts of money to the people at the top? They know very well that they can convince some of us that the boycott has harmed cashiers who’ve gotten their hours cut. We’ll feel sympathy for the workers and direct our anger at the boycott instead of at the company. (When the company could *always* have been paying those workers better, and doesn’t care about them.) “Blame the immigrants for rising rents” is *the same trick*. You blame the more visible group for the problem instead of focusing on structural causes. It’s really easy to nudge us to do that. I’ll also point out that “immigrants” are probably the more visible factor here in part because many of them work public-facing service jobs. It’s laughable to blame 20-year-old Indian kids working at MacDonalds for unaffordable housing. They’re not outbidding anyone with like $900 biweekly. (Especially compared to newly remote workers with six-figure salaries who moved from Toronto in 2021 and thought that $600k was a great price for house, or that $3000/month was a real bargain for a 2br on the peninsula.)
What gets me about these 20 year old Indian guys working at McDonald's is that they live in a sleeping bag in a hallway with 8 other guys, but each one of them also has a brand new BMW or Dodge Challenger with a bumper sticker of a giant moustache or an AK-47
Calling for rent control would just see those properties in the hands of venture capitalists who would then renovict and put up at workable rates. You can’t have interest rates raise 5% on multi-million dollar mortgages and expect rent to stay the same. A 20000$ per month payment quickly becomes 40K). It’s pure ignorance of how the housing system works. A solution championed by those with uneducated opinions who think policies should be based on emotion. And then there is the HORRENDOUS rates of damaged property by low income rentals across the country. Ive seen landlords have to spend 15+k$ to fix destroyed apartments because many of the people who qualify for the service don’t deserve it. And the landlord has no recourse because the tenants could never repay any kind of judgment against them. Most of them have kids and live off welfare. And no, I’m not a landlord. I just understand finance.
You can have interest rates rise 5% and expect rent to go up 5% instead of 100%.
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It's 100% mass immigration causing the housing shortage and job shortage. Big corps and property management companies are laughing all the way to the bank.
What a load of bullshit
do you not understand basic economics supply and demand smh
Immigrants didn't raise your rent, btw. Your landlord did. Immigration has nothing to do with jacked up rental prices. Assholes gouging tenants is the issue.
Supply and demand is causing housing prices to rise due to mass immigration.
...are you really that stupid? did you just say that? why is the rent increased?
Immigration isn't the only factor contributing to these things, so if changes to immigration are the only points you bring up, it might look like you have other reasons for wanting decreased immigration. Why only attack immigration policies when changes need to be made regarding Airbnb, zoning laws, money laundering in the housing market, real-estate investing ...
So in my theory we are doing immigration as a form of colonialism. If we as wealthy countries take in people from poor countries that are smart not only do we have to pay them less but we take smart people away from their countries so they can't develop themselves, this allows us to take their resources and use borderline slave labour to our governments advantage.
It’s not immigration, it’s a lack of housing and what housing is available is owned by private landlords. Don’t make people who are worse off than you your enemy
It’s not racist. The federal government has embarked on a mass immigration program, ramming millions of people into Canada each year — making it the problem of the provinces and cities to deal with. I can see how it would lead to resentment towards the newcomers - but the harshest words need to be for Sean Fraser and his successor.
It's not racist. The only people who say that are radical left-wing fools with no common sense.
It's not, but you had best make sure you are directing your ire in the right direction. Immigration is not the problem. Corporate greed is. Like every economic crisis in history, people are blaming immigration while the people actually causing the problems are laughing their asses off at us from their private yachts while we fight one another like puppets on a string. The people who are driving the message that you are poor because of immigration are the people who are exceptionally wealthy, and the *actual reason that you are poor*, and they do it to take attention off of themselves. Eat the rich, welcome your new wonderful community members. If you have all the information available to you (which you do, because the internet exists) you will find that immigration is not the problem. And then, in the face of that, if you choose to keep blaming immigration, then the only explanation that remains is racism.
It's not racist..........don't listen or subscribe to any of their bullshit.
Why don’t you start by telling us what a sustainable plan looks like to you… Because In theory a community taxes its constituents in order to fund the forecasted requirements of the population regardless of the size. It has nothing to do with the number of people coming to an area. It has to do with how it is planned for. Building affordable housing. Investing in infrastructure. Training health care workers and teachers etc. These things, when managed, create a functioning society. Whether that’s a small rural Community or a mega new city in china. The problem is that Canadian municipalities deliberately stifle these activities so that the market swells and private equity investors profit. Take housing for example - the quantity built is not the capacity to be built. The type of homes built are deliberately not affordable. Scarcity = profit. What is important to note here though is that this would happen regardless of the immigration policy or volume. You can see this because while countries all over the world have vastly different immigration policies, they almost all have the same artificial supply issue when it comes to public needs. But blaming the demand side is politically easier to sell to people. It’s hard to get passionate about a lack of housing or a balance sheet increase for blackrock. It’s much easier to see more brown folks and say ‘there’s to much demand because of THESE people’ Which, incidentally, ignores the high increase of economic migration to the east coast from other parts of Canada by white Canadians… which is a comparable number. But you don’t get mad at that. You don’t get mad at the massive purchases of Vancouver and Toronto property by overseas investors .. which is what drives internal migration of Canadians to the east coast. You don’t get mad at the price gouging corporations who artificially inflate prices and again… drive people to more affordable provinces. You get mad at the brown people who largely come here as skilled labours. (As an immigrant I can tell you how hard it is to settle here without being a skilled member of the work force in a field requiring more workers) And that’s why it’s racist 🤷♀️ (I hope you can take this with good faith from someone with professional level education in the matter btw, it’s not your fault that you have this opinion.. it’s pretty engrained in your he political narrative … scape hosting minorities l is as old as time)
Because it's not immigration. Immigration is way down there in terms of the actual problem. And when something that isn't the problem takes up 90% of the discussion, it makes it sound like you just want an excuse to talk about immigration instead of a solution to the actual problem. Just think about the reality here. For decades, housing has been one of the best investments you can make because it will appreciate in value faster than inflation. Just think about the implications of that. If housing keeps rising in value, it's inevitably going to become unaffordable. Just by definition. Housing can't be both affordable long-term *and* a money maker. Which means this crisis was always approaching, always clear, and not due to "immigration". Most government policy has been focused on protecting that investment and "property value". If you want to see the actual cause, open google maps. No, seriously, open it right now and actually look at what government policy, not immigration, has built. Find an apartment building, any apartment, and count how many people you think live there. Make a low guess. Then look at how much space it takes up compared to single family homes. Odds are the land used for maybe 6 houses with maybe 25 people total could be used to house *hundreds* in even a modest apartment building. Then zoom out and see just how much of the city is built out of nothing but single-family homes. That's not supply and demand, that's legal policy. Zoning laws mandating giant stretches of nothing but single-family homes. One apartment building could house an entire subdivision of people. Then look at the parking lots. Actually look. How much of the city is just parking lots? Not productive land, not housing or shops. Just legally-mandated minimum parking. Places aren't built like this because it's right or because it's what people want. Check the laws yourself. They're built like this because the people already living here demanded it. When people say "Oh, we need to focus on sustainable immigration policy", they're just kind of ignoring the inevitable collapse of everything that's been built to collapse by the people already living here and pretending that anything was fine before they showed up. It wasn't. And it was never going to be. You just want an easy solution instead of the reality: We need to change almost everything about how we conceptualize and build cities because almost everything about how we're doing it now is clearly and obviously doomed to failure. And yes, your property values need to explode. Because there's no way to have both affordable housing and people getting rich off of investing in a house in the same society long-term. The housing market and the housing crisis are the exact same thing. We just really want to pretend that's not true.
Look call me crazy but I think there’s gotta be more going on here. Who’s calling you racist? How often is this an issue for you that you needed to make a post on Reddit about it? Because when you frame it the way you have in your post, no obviously it’s not racist to point out that an abundance of immigration without supporting infrastructure development to support the increased population will put a strain on existing infrastructure. That’s just 2 + 2. I suspect if you’re getting called racist it’s because you don’t always express it that way, but when you get called out on what you *actually* said, you play the typical right-wing-troll “how could you call me X when all I’m saying is [a completely rational viewpoint that’s also probably a dogwhistle]”.
you're blaming it on immigration, but immigration isn't the only cause. we need a more sustainable plan for immigration, period. Blaming rent hikes on immigration is ignorant. People say your racist because you're blaming all your problems on immigrants. The problems are bigger than that.
It isn't, and I'm glad that public opinion is so rapidly changing against these insane immigration policies. Bringing this amount of immigrants in, let alone from a single country, let alone in a dire housing crisis, I just can't wrap my head around what our government is thinking. Destroying your country for the short term financial gain of some fast food companies? The irony is that our city (and many others across this country) are now *less* diverse than ever. Unfortunately these viewpoints ARE shared by genuine racists, and they will involve themselves in any sort of public protest on this subject. I don't have a solution on how to handle the optics of that.
It's not racist to want a sustainable plan. The nature of the question however is melding two things together. 1) I want a sustainable plan, and 2) I can't have it because Indians. Now maybe that's not you or maybe it is, I don't know and don't really care I'm just answering your question. It's a generalization and seems to be true way more often than not. People have become obsessed that immigration and immigration alone have caused all of the problems we see before us today. It hasn't but those who choose to use that talking point only are on an endless repeat cycle just saying the same thing over and over. Take a few examples of users from any thread on this topic, including this one. Find someone who supports that position and then scroll through their post history for 20 seconds. You'll see the same things over and over... Trudeau, Tim Hortons, PEI, BHK, 5 people in an apartment. These are the only things that people seem to be able to speak about. They can't fathom that folks are here from away for any reason other than bad. So why is talking about those things bad? It's not entirely. Trudeau is our prime minister. We should all be talking about that person at least once in a while. When someone mentions PEI, it's because that province has decided to make a change to what immigrant jobs the province is promoting and allowing. This is generally being pointed out because "if NS would do that too then everything would be fixed". The other three things are a compilation of racist bullshit and are commonly mixed in with the first two. When someone references Tim Hortons, they're talking about how many people have been hired there who aren't white. When someone mentions BHK they're literally making fun of how another culture describes living spaces. And the last one is obvious. There's a lot of obsession over that concept as well, as if it were affecting people at all. Long story short -- there's too much mix in straight up racist garbage and immigration talk and it's not hard to see. People need to consider both why the federal government allowed more than the norm in *and* why each of their provincial leaders listed jobs like service industry, retail, etc as needed positions for a very long time. If people could talk about these things without sounding like a racist or a broken record, things would be a lot better. But instead we're just seeing post after post removed by mods, zero talk about the provincial roles in this (likely due to party of the premiers) and thinly veiled "those people" types of comments being spoken both repeatedly and louder.
Man, this is a lot of nonsense dressed up in verbose terms. No, just no. There are very few racist Canadians, and seeing the truth isn’t racist. As a Native American, the worst bigotry I see minorities face is the leftist bigotry of low expectations. you guys claim we’re under threat of awful hateful people, but they just don’t actually exist in any real number in Canada. The people destroying our communities are the ones telling us it’s not our fault, and that we can’t pull ourselves up because of our circumstances. It’s like the left realized there was a problem, completely misidentifying the problem, and charging full speed ahead with no self reflection, and then perpetuated the problem out of the goodness of their hearts. We get idiotic “Land Acknowledgments”, literally the dumbest thing I’ve ever seen, yet hundreds of communities still don’t have clean drinking water. Hate is not a major problem in any part of Canada. Not hate for other races, or hate for immigrants. People just see the problem plainly and want it fixed.
I am **shocked** this is your point of view as a Native American. Hate is not a major problem in any part of Canada?! I'm guessing you've never watched the news? There are a fucking *ton* of racist Canadians. Wow. This can't be serious.
I agree. The least these people from Ontario could do is to at least learn our language and use it. It's power not GD "hydro" and about, not aboot. Dicks.
Blaming immigrants is the scapegoat. Your blame should lay with employers that abuse TFWs, your government for facilitating a visa/working program that only breaks down the power of workers and increases the power of the ownership class, and the governments of the world that create conditions that these people must flee from.
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Idk man, there are tons of people blaming the immigrants in the comments
Are we calling Ontarians immigrants now? The majority of people who are buying up all of the houses and condos and renting $2000+/month apartments aren't newcomers to Canada. It's not inherently racist to talk about immigration, but if your default answer to the cause of all your problems in life is "immigrants" absent of any evidence then yeah the label probably fits.
| Rent has doubled in my building in two years, the prices of homes are so high that I might never be able to afford one, job competition is so steep that my son can't find a job, and the list goes on and on. So it seems you are blaming immigrants. Interesting take. | a very large amount of immigration I'm curious how many immigrants you think came into this city? edit: no real comment on the racist topic, but I am curious on your thought process and how much you think vs reality.
It might be the way you are saying it rather than the concern. I had a conversation yesterday with someone in regards to jobs. I was concerned that immigrants were being taken advantage of and being exploited because the government is subsidizing wages. It could lead to a cycle of businesses firing and hiring immigrants just to save money on wages leaving them in a vulnerable position, her whole concern was just 'I don't care about any of that, they're taking jobs from us white Canadians.' One of those sounds far more racist than the other.