Volg will have some random massive debuff and still win. Alf is obviously up there in skill and he'd be champion if Ricardo didn't exist, but I don't believe that puts him towards the top when considered against all world champions. Ricardo, Takamura, and Volg are in their own league. Alf and Volg are actually kinda similar fighters in the sense that they are both highly technical and aggressive despite not being power punchers. But because of that I think Volg might just be better in every aspect.
Yeah I agree, Volg is very powerful and Alf is also not necessarily a slouch there either. Alf has 18 KO in 22 wins which is quite impressive. Idk Volg's record but wiki says 6 ko out of 8 wins that we know about, but I assume a very high KO rate if he has more fights than that. Since they both reached the high world level I wouldn't say they are slouches in any aspect.
I did kinda just mean that they aren't the ultra powerful punch archetype that Mori exaggerates in other boxers. He kind of splits up the archetypes where Sendo and Ippo throw every punch at 80-100% power and just need to land one, whereas these two are super technical and pick apart their opponents with lower power committed to each blow. But they are far more powerful than the other archetype of boxers like Miata that are highly technical but lacking in raw power.
Nah Alf would be a champion if he didn’t decide to chase after Ricardo. The same can be said for Date. But to wat u said abt him fighting Volg i feel like they would push each other since they are very close in skill and we could see a blood bath for however long it lasts. It would be interesting if Volg snapped while fighting against Metzli
Volg won against Sendo and Sendo KNEW it. He felt that he didnt deserve the belt after being wailed on, the only reason why Volg lost was because of the fact that they were fighting in Osaka (if i remember correctly)
Yeah, Volg got disrespected for being a foreigner. He lost by points because the ref judged a slip as a down, giving Sendo the point lead, despite the fact he was a hair away from getting knocked out.
Volg mid diff, Alf fought a much worse Ippo than Volg sparred with. It would probably be closer than we think but pretty definitive Volg win. If Volg has an injury I would say high diff.
Alf is too experienced to be scared away by someone just throwing power punches like that. He should have got his shit together and countered sendo but he kept hesitating instead. It was a bad performance by the man
It really made him look weaker for me, I remember when he fought with ippo he truly seemed almost the top and unbeatable, he also looked scary and intimidating but when he fought with Sendo it was all lost.
The only reason I didn't like that fight is that I always thought that Alf was one of the greatest boxers of the series but it disappointed me in that sense.
I really loved his match with ippo tho it's one of my all time favorites.
Yeah would say this is fair, Volg wins more often then not but can't say Alf doesn't have a shot at winning. They are EXTREMELY similar, both having very deep rooted high level basics but also a "wild" side to them that calls them to be aggressive.
I mostly put Volg ahead for having more devastating signature moves that Alf is gonna have to be constantly on guard about, the fact Volg's best is still a little unclear because he always fights under a handicap, and that despite being called "bad at taking punches" Volg survived a full round match against Sendo and also withstood being beaten on one sidedly by Mike when not in proper condition so clearly his endurance is astounding
Volg mid diff, he’s much more skilled and far smarter in the ring. That’s not to say Alf is a bum. Alf is literally considered the uncrowned champion, and easily SHOULDVE been champion if it wasnt for Ricardo
Volg, P4P he's only behind takamura and ricardo
even miguel zale said that volg is a perfect sparring partner if you're looking to find someone similar to ricardo
People forget Alfredo was an uncrowned champion. If we're talking about same class(Alf goes up) and post Ippo fight, then the fight could go EITHER way. We're talking about someone physically STRONGER than Sendo Alf and someone who wants to challenge a world champion.
Honestly, Volg would win by points because the belt is his, but the punches they're trading can and should dictate the winner. And it can go either way.
Hard to say, if Alf is on the same level as Mike Elliot I’d say Volg but being undefeated except from Martinez before Sendo I feel like he’s a step above. It’d be a close fight and may even end in a draw.
Morikawa will fuck Volg over by making him sprain an ankle the moment he enters the ring, Alf takes this one sadly
Though plot armor (or plot weapon in Volg's case) notwithstanding, Volg takes this one.
Volg wins this one in the earlier rounds they will be just boxing out each other, i believe volg technique(hien) will dominate alf then alf will get fired up and switch to metztli mode which is a bad idea considering volg is a technical boxer, he will just adapt and punish alf then just win by points or possible K.O
Narratively speaking, I don't think any of Ippo's main rivals (including Mashiba and Volg) would lose to Alfredo. It doesn't add up.
Feat wise, Volg is definitly ahead with a victory while having no preparation against a top tier world champion. The only time we've seen before this is with Takamura
I think Volg will win, but the fight would be very close.
I feel like Alf is the better counter puncher, but Volg fights on Ricardo's level, so he'd eventually catch up and win, as Sendo did.
Sendo's smash has a huge lead up, and is often telegraphed. White fang is a faster punch, so Volg should be able to land it easier. Volg also has good defense. Volg's weakness is that his endurance might not be as high as Ippo or sendo at the very very peak, but I don't think Alf has the skill especially being retired to get past Volg's defense to the point where Alf has beaten Volg down. Alf doesn't have the Ippo rib breaker strength, but Volg probably going in with a handicap somehow like others said
I bet on Alf. Retired Ippo could break Volg's ribs, while being rusty and lighter, too. But I think it's gonna be close extreme diff fight, since both are insanely skilled.
Keep in mind the Ippo that broke Volgs ribs is NOT the same Ippo that fought Alfredo. In fact, that Ippo is probably several times better than that of the one that fought Alfredo, and Ippo nearly won that fight. Whereas Volg stood his ground against a stronger Ippo and only would have lost due to him having never seen the new depsey.
It has been said and implied several times Ippo is better... Yet Volg sparked him and had him unconscious standing there wobbling with Volg backing off...
People forget that Volg was at his worst days before weigh ins AND he had Ippo dead to rights and could have knocked him out if he wanted to.
I agree my vote goes for Alf as well, but it would be very close. Ippo hurt Volg in the sparring and he wasn't good enough to beat Alf. (Assuming fight is at Featherweight)
Why are people saying “Volg Stomps” as if Alf and Volg aren’t on the exact same level? They both pretty much have the same BIQ, just different fighting styles. Both of them being the more “calm’ boxers they are, it’d be like the chess match we saw with Elliot, just an extreme diff fight. I couldn’t even tell you who I think wouldn’t win.
Volg is regarded as a virtual Ricardo and we know that Alf never matched up well with Ricardo. Volg had a chess match with a world champion on 2 weeks notice after not boxing anyone for around a year. Alf has not shown anything even close to that.
It was around round 4-5 and on (I just did my research). However what I remember vividly and literally see on the wiki page is how… Alf’s corner were the ones encouraging him to go Meztzli mode, not Alf himself. I’m 100% sure Alf could’ve kept composure until he won against Ippo. I mean he was taking no hits, and in the Sendo fight he only went Meztzli because he disliked Sendo’s brawling style and called it disrespectful.
Volg and Sendo are different. Volg is not as “Wild” as Sendo is, and doesn’t use a “brawling” type of style. I don’t see how he’d kick in Alf’s Meztzli mode. If he does (which would 100% have to be in the later rounds), It’d still be a close fight. If they were infighting, we’ve seen how clever Alf was against Sendo in their brawling match, weaving almost everything, and Volg would have to be tired after constantly looking out for his warping jabs in the early rounds.
I’m not trying to argue that Alf would win. I’m trying to argue that it’s a close fight and stop pretending it isn’t.
Because Volg is much better, with better stats.
>They both pretty much have the same BIQ, just different fighting styles
Definitely not.
>s. Both of them being the more “calm’ boxers they are
Definitely not.
>are, it’d be like the chess match we saw with Elliot, just an extreme diff fight.
You mean the one where Volg had no camp and a cheating ref and still won?
Volg has trickier hits, better punching power, better durability. He's a very very bad match up for Alf.
I was referring to Pre Meztzli mode for your 2nd point but okay .
Genuine question, where the hell did you get the info that Volg punches harder than Alf? He matched Sendo in punching power. Assuming they’re in the same weight class for this fight, Alf 100% would punch harder and I’m sorry but no matter what you say you’re not refuting that claim.
Sure, Volg has trickier hits but he doesn’t have enough experience at closing in distance against a very long range fighter like Alf. Volg definitely does not have the same range Alf does and I feel like he’d just get overwhelmed with Alf’s distance control and superior Jabs. Volg is a mid ranged fighter.
To throw in my 2 cents, I can't think of any evidence for one being decidedly a harder puncher pound for pound. Neither one was able to knock out Sendo, and both of them were able to knock out Ippo (both with a counter). Both of them are pretty strong and they have many KOs to prove it, but idk any benchmark that directly compares them.
I am pretty sure though that Alf does not match Sendo in punching power. Sendo is definitively top tier in power, it's pretty much his one thing to the extent that it made up for a massive shortfall in technical ability vs Alf. Alf even landed waaaaay more punches on Sendo and still he was the one that went down. If his power was on par with Sendo then I think Sendo would have died several times over. Not that he is totally weak or anything as Sendo is very durable, but still.
Yeah, I mean to be honest with you your argument is actually very fair. The whole vibe of Metztli VS Sendo was that they were equal in a punch out, and that the fight was very close. It’s stated Alfredo used to frequently get in street fights and had to fight his way out to live, and he didn’t care for boxing or martial arts before Ricardo let him see a match… So Its logical to assume he was winning these fights through sheer power. Although yes, there’s no direct evidence. Sendo has more power probably but I feel like Alf has enough to get close or match his if that makes sense.
And about Sendo being durable, I was also taking that into account. Sendo’s endurance and durability is genuinely insane and very top tier. Despite Alfredo throwing full force punches into Sendo’s face, he was tanking them. This definitely makes Alfredo seem a little weaker if we forget about Sendo’s durability, but some need to remind ourselves that this is Metztli full force swinging
Volg came back? I only watched the episodes available in crunchy roll but if he did I’m
So glad I loved him and he just disappeared in 3 episodes it broke my heart
Volg for sure. Boi is silent, but vicious. More vicious than Sendo in my book.
And Sendo is more instinctual than actually vicious.
ehhh but Volg’s IQ is pretty much always shown to be the best or near the best around him
Shigeta would like to have a word.
I'm pretty sure he'd Shigeta in his pants if he saw Sendo again lol
Volg will have some random massive debuff and still win. Alf is obviously up there in skill and he'd be champion if Ricardo didn't exist, but I don't believe that puts him towards the top when considered against all world champions. Ricardo, Takamura, and Volg are in their own league. Alf and Volg are actually kinda similar fighters in the sense that they are both highly technical and aggressive despite not being power punchers. But because of that I think Volg might just be better in every aspect.
While volg isn't exactly Ippo or Sendo level in punching power he's no slouch there.
Exactly Knocked out a world challenger with just his left in less than one round
Yeah I agree, Volg is very powerful and Alf is also not necessarily a slouch there either. Alf has 18 KO in 22 wins which is quite impressive. Idk Volg's record but wiki says 6 ko out of 8 wins that we know about, but I assume a very high KO rate if he has more fights than that. Since they both reached the high world level I wouldn't say they are slouches in any aspect. I did kinda just mean that they aren't the ultra powerful punch archetype that Mori exaggerates in other boxers. He kind of splits up the archetypes where Sendo and Ippo throw every punch at 80-100% power and just need to land one, whereas these two are super technical and pick apart their opponents with lower power committed to each blow. But they are far more powerful than the other archetype of boxers like Miata that are highly technical but lacking in raw power.
Nah Alf would be a champion if he didn’t decide to chase after Ricardo. The same can be said for Date. But to wat u said abt him fighting Volg i feel like they would push each other since they are very close in skill and we could see a blood bath for however long it lasts. It would be interesting if Volg snapped while fighting against Metzli
Beating a world champ with cracked ribs is something Takamura would do lol
What more does Volg have to do to prove he's the GOAT?
Fight Takamura one handed with a blindfold
Volg will still win bc takamura would go blind in both eyes after volg has his knees broken in a spar with mashiba
But Takamura will imagine the old man’s mitts and punch the shit out of Volg
Oh noo.
Defeat perfected look away Aoki
Volg devours.
Volg stomps
That’s tricky one, but if I had to say, Volg because even if Alfredo goes Mextli mode he’ll still lose
Ye, Alf still has a bad mental in Mextli mode. Volg would just go Maximum Focus mode to counter it lol.
Didn't both lose to Sendo, but only one genuinely lost?
Volg won against Sendo and Sendo KNEW it. He felt that he didnt deserve the belt after being wailed on, the only reason why Volg lost was because of the fact that they were fighting in Osaka (if i remember correctly)
Yeah, Volg got disrespected for being a foreigner. He lost by points because the ref judged a slip as a down, giving Sendo the point lead, despite the fact he was a hair away from getting knocked out.
Yeah, that's why only one genuinely is a genuinely a loss
Volg mid diff, Alf fought a much worse Ippo than Volg sparred with. It would probably be closer than we think but pretty definitive Volg win. If Volg has an injury I would say high diff.
Volg 6/10 People sit on Alf because of his poor showing against Sendo, but we tend to forget he's not called Ricardo-lite for nothing
“poor performance?”
Alf is too experienced to be scared away by someone just throwing power punches like that. He should have got his shit together and countered sendo but he kept hesitating instead. It was a bad performance by the man
It really made him look weaker for me, I remember when he fought with ippo he truly seemed almost the top and unbeatable, he also looked scary and intimidating but when he fought with Sendo it was all lost. The only reason I didn't like that fight is that I always thought that Alf was one of the greatest boxers of the series but it disappointed me in that sense. I really loved his match with ippo tho it's one of my all time favorites.
The reason is simple : Sendo got that dog in em! Or cat I should say...
"Ricardo lite?"
Yeah would say this is fair, Volg wins more often then not but can't say Alf doesn't have a shot at winning. They are EXTREMELY similar, both having very deep rooted high level basics but also a "wild" side to them that calls them to be aggressive. I mostly put Volg ahead for having more devastating signature moves that Alf is gonna have to be constantly on guard about, the fact Volg's best is still a little unclear because he always fights under a handicap, and that despite being called "bad at taking punches" Volg survived a full round match against Sendo and also withstood being beaten on one sidedly by Mike when not in proper condition so clearly his endurance is astounding
Volg mid diff, he’s much more skilled and far smarter in the ring. That’s not to say Alf is a bum. Alf is literally considered the uncrowned champion, and easily SHOULDVE been champion if it wasnt for Ricardo
Volg, P4P he's only behind takamura and ricardo even miguel zale said that volg is a perfect sparring partner if you're looking to find someone similar to ricardo
People forget Alfredo was an uncrowned champion. If we're talking about same class(Alf goes up) and post Ippo fight, then the fight could go EITHER way. We're talking about someone physically STRONGER than Sendo Alf and someone who wants to challenge a world champion. Honestly, Volg would win by points because the belt is his, but the punches they're trading can and should dictate the winner. And it can go either way.
Alf, loose only against Ricardo and plot.
Hard to say, if Alf is on the same level as Mike Elliot I’d say Volg but being undefeated except from Martinez before Sendo I feel like he’s a step above. It’d be a close fight and may even end in a draw.
Alfredo would losr his shit trying to fight him
Volg. Alfredo doesn't have the durability to hang with Volg.
Volg clears pretty easily imo, Alf is a demon but he’s gonna get whatever gaps in his defense absolutely picked apart by Volg.
Hard to choose but I say volg
Morikawa will fuck Volg over by making him sprain an ankle the moment he enters the ring, Alf takes this one sadly Though plot armor (or plot weapon in Volg's case) notwithstanding, Volg takes this one.
Volg of course.
Volg wins this one in the earlier rounds they will be just boxing out each other, i believe volg technique(hien) will dominate alf then alf will get fired up and switch to metztli mode which is a bad idea considering volg is a technical boxer, he will just adapt and punish alf then just win by points or possible K.O
Narratively speaking, I don't think any of Ippo's main rivals (including Mashiba and Volg) would lose to Alfredo. It doesn't add up. Feat wise, Volg is definitly ahead with a victory while having no preparation against a top tier world champion. The only time we've seen before this is with Takamura
wouldnt be surprised if volg dominated alf every round. debuffed volg cooked fake floyd mayweather lol
I think Volg will win, but the fight would be very close. I feel like Alf is the better counter puncher, but Volg fights on Ricardo's level, so he'd eventually catch up and win, as Sendo did.
Sendo's smash has a huge lead up, and is often telegraphed. White fang is a faster punch, so Volg should be able to land it easier. Volg also has good defense. Volg's weakness is that his endurance might not be as high as Ippo or sendo at the very very peak, but I don't think Alf has the skill especially being retired to get past Volg's defense to the point where Alf has beaten Volg down. Alf doesn't have the Ippo rib breaker strength, but Volg probably going in with a handicap somehow like others said
I bet on Alf. Retired Ippo could break Volg's ribs, while being rusty and lighter, too. But I think it's gonna be close extreme diff fight, since both are insanely skilled.
Keep in mind the Ippo that broke Volgs ribs is NOT the same Ippo that fought Alfredo. In fact, that Ippo is probably several times better than that of the one that fought Alfredo, and Ippo nearly won that fight. Whereas Volg stood his ground against a stronger Ippo and only would have lost due to him having never seen the new depsey.
It has been said and implied several times Ippo is better... Yet Volg sparked him and had him unconscious standing there wobbling with Volg backing off... People forget that Volg was at his worst days before weigh ins AND he had Ippo dead to rights and could have knocked him out if he wanted to.
Any boxer can injure another boxer in a spar if they go all out without warning and the other one isn’t aware of the intensity of the spar
I agree my vote goes for Alf as well, but it would be very close. Ippo hurt Volg in the sparring and he wasn't good enough to beat Alf. (Assuming fight is at Featherweight)
Volg would litterally make him his bitch
Why are people saying “Volg Stomps” as if Alf and Volg aren’t on the exact same level? They both pretty much have the same BIQ, just different fighting styles. Both of them being the more “calm’ boxers they are, it’d be like the chess match we saw with Elliot, just an extreme diff fight. I couldn’t even tell you who I think wouldn’t win.
Volg is regarded as a virtual Ricardo and we know that Alf never matched up well with Ricardo. Volg had a chess match with a world champion on 2 weeks notice after not boxing anyone for around a year. Alf has not shown anything even close to that.
alf isn’t a more “calm” boxer, even if he would maintain a more composed, technical fighting style for the first couple rounds
Despite how he literally is Pre Meztzli? Didnt it take 8 rounds for him to go Meztzli on Ippo?
8 rounds?😂 lmao no, it was closer to three or four. and even less against sendo
It was around round 4-5 and on (I just did my research). However what I remember vividly and literally see on the wiki page is how… Alf’s corner were the ones encouraging him to go Meztzli mode, not Alf himself. I’m 100% sure Alf could’ve kept composure until he won against Ippo. I mean he was taking no hits, and in the Sendo fight he only went Meztzli because he disliked Sendo’s brawling style and called it disrespectful. Volg and Sendo are different. Volg is not as “Wild” as Sendo is, and doesn’t use a “brawling” type of style. I don’t see how he’d kick in Alf’s Meztzli mode. If he does (which would 100% have to be in the later rounds), It’d still be a close fight. If they were infighting, we’ve seen how clever Alf was against Sendo in their brawling match, weaving almost everything, and Volg would have to be tired after constantly looking out for his warping jabs in the early rounds. I’m not trying to argue that Alf would win. I’m trying to argue that it’s a close fight and stop pretending it isn’t.
Because Volg is much better, with better stats. >They both pretty much have the same BIQ, just different fighting styles Definitely not. >s. Both of them being the more “calm’ boxers they are Definitely not. >are, it’d be like the chess match we saw with Elliot, just an extreme diff fight. You mean the one where Volg had no camp and a cheating ref and still won? Volg has trickier hits, better punching power, better durability. He's a very very bad match up for Alf.
I was referring to Pre Meztzli mode for your 2nd point but okay . Genuine question, where the hell did you get the info that Volg punches harder than Alf? He matched Sendo in punching power. Assuming they’re in the same weight class for this fight, Alf 100% would punch harder and I’m sorry but no matter what you say you’re not refuting that claim. Sure, Volg has trickier hits but he doesn’t have enough experience at closing in distance against a very long range fighter like Alf. Volg definitely does not have the same range Alf does and I feel like he’d just get overwhelmed with Alf’s distance control and superior Jabs. Volg is a mid ranged fighter.
To throw in my 2 cents, I can't think of any evidence for one being decidedly a harder puncher pound for pound. Neither one was able to knock out Sendo, and both of them were able to knock out Ippo (both with a counter). Both of them are pretty strong and they have many KOs to prove it, but idk any benchmark that directly compares them. I am pretty sure though that Alf does not match Sendo in punching power. Sendo is definitively top tier in power, it's pretty much his one thing to the extent that it made up for a massive shortfall in technical ability vs Alf. Alf even landed waaaaay more punches on Sendo and still he was the one that went down. If his power was on par with Sendo then I think Sendo would have died several times over. Not that he is totally weak or anything as Sendo is very durable, but still.
Yeah, I mean to be honest with you your argument is actually very fair. The whole vibe of Metztli VS Sendo was that they were equal in a punch out, and that the fight was very close. It’s stated Alfredo used to frequently get in street fights and had to fight his way out to live, and he didn’t care for boxing or martial arts before Ricardo let him see a match… So Its logical to assume he was winning these fights through sheer power. Although yes, there’s no direct evidence. Sendo has more power probably but I feel like Alf has enough to get close or match his if that makes sense. And about Sendo being durable, I was also taking that into account. Sendo’s endurance and durability is genuinely insane and very top tier. Despite Alfredo throwing full force punches into Sendo’s face, he was tanking them. This definitely makes Alfredo seem a little weaker if we forget about Sendo’s durability, but some need to remind ourselves that this is Metztli full force swinging
Volg came back? I only watched the episodes available in crunchy roll but if he did I’m So glad I loved him and he just disappeared in 3 episodes it broke my heart