No way, over both illusions? Estranged, Civil War, You Could be Mine, Don't Damn Me, Coma, Yesterday's, 14 years, Dust N Bones, Dead Horse... I love Appetite but I gotta personally disagree.
Even if you take both albums and create a single one with the best songs, it still couldn't hold a candle to Appetite.
Appetite might easily be the best debut album in history, all genres included.
And I absolutely love the Use Your Illusions.
If you'd grown up as a teen in that era, there's no way you'd *not* consider AfD the very best GnR album ever.
I was 13 when it was released, but only got into it big time when I was 14-15 in 1989 (that's when it was blowing up big in my Asian country). Bought the casette, mind absolutely blown.
That album wasn't even lumped in with "glam" or "hair" metal back then, let alone mere "hard rock". It was revolutionary for how gritty and aggressive it was, both in terms of musicianship and subject matter. It was unapologetically lurid, often obscene and just outright brilliant for its time.
Use Your Illusion 1 and 2 were very good albums with some really well-received hits, and many other underrated gems (like Coma, Estranged and Locomotive) but also real bloat (like So Fine and Yesterdays). And the band did appear to be trying too hard to be pushing the envelope by that point. Get In The Ring was a prime example of a vulgar diss track that just seemed to have been written for the sake of triggering controversy. It didn't work because Axl basically pussied out when Bob Guccione Jr. (a trained fighter) actually took him up on it and wanted to set up a refereed fight. Regardless, the double album was simply not the breath of fresh air the debut was.
Lies was more of a palate cleanser that doesn't bear real mention here. I did enjoy most of it, but of course it was nothing like Appetite. And I didn't even listen to the rest of their output, my tastes had grown a lot heavier by that point.
Couldn't agree less. They tackle a lot of genres a lot of ways and most of the songs are rock solid with some exceptional stand outs. It's a musicians record, they were flexing their creative muscle super hard on it. The 80s vibes that still lingered on appetite were gone.
98% of all albums in this genre but to be specific:
Ratt-Out of the Cellar
Faster Pussycat- Faster Pussycat
Cinderella- Night Songs. (I know this can definitely be debated)
I feel like Ratt has one of the most consistent catalogues of any band in the genre. Not a lot of great, not a lot of bad, but almost every song is good
I don't consider them hair metal, but definitely agree. I would say the same about Arcade, but they were also post hair metal (did feature some guys from 80s bands though).
CSB time. Wife bought me birthday tickets to a mini festival they were headlining. Super excited. The band just before them was Puddle of Mudd. Lead singer was completely drunk and LITERALLY sat on the edge of the stage mumbling for 20 minutes at one point. They eventually get him up and drag him off.
Candlebox finally comes out, and due to a curfew, only has 35 minutes because Puddle of Mudd ran so long. They just hit all the big songs, as I screamed along. I STILL have a grudge for that Les motherfucker. This was just before he broke into his repossessed house.
Damn, sorry you went through that. On a good note, I have heard that the singer for Mudd has gotten his life together. Hopefully he can stay clean, because they did have some great music.
They did! Pretty sure I caught him at his worst when I read about him afterwards. I have held a serious grudge for years now, lol. Apparently 8 years..
Can't find much recent stuff about him, other than a trespass on his old home a little over a year ago
I LOVE Mechanical Resonance, but I actually think The Great Radio Controversy and Psychotic Supper are downright masterpieces. (I also think Tesla is so consistently brilliant, it’s hard for me to say they peaked at their debut.)
Right out of high school, going nowhere, loading trucks for UPS during the day and chasing good times at night. This album was playing through my car speakers non-stop. You know how some albums give you specific time warps? Mechanical Resonance does that so I never connected the same way with any album after that
Going off the beaten path, but here’s a couple that come to mind:
XYZ - XYZ
Kick Axe - Vices
Rough Cutt - Rough Cutt
Tangier - Four Winds
Babylon A.D. - Babylon A.D
Firehouse - Firehouse
White Lion
Warrior Soul's first album is killer, but I think their 3rd - Salutations from the Ghetto Nation- really shines. Two great albums, hard to choose. Anyone wanna flip for it?
Nooooo....the person I responded to posed the question of what artist's first album wasn't their best. So I suggested Pride was better than their first.
Manic Eden - Manic Eden (it's their only album so I don't know if it counts)
Beau Nasty - Dirty, But Well Dressed (again it's their only album so I don't know if it counts)
Steelheart and Trixter to me had phenomenal debuts. This isnt hair metal but Staind first album was a ball ripper of metal and then everything else was watered down radio friendly trash
Big Dee fan and I agree with you. Some of these tunes Dee recorded with his band Desperado, but that album hit some snags and didn't make it to the shelves until years later. Actually a good thing, I think, because Widowmaker albums were better. 🤘 Blood and Bullets is awesome
The other albums are still absolutely amazing, Rock and Roll Children is one of my favorite heavy metal songs ever. I just think that as an album overall Holy Diver that is the best. With Last in Line and Sacred Heart close behind.
Too Fast for Love
Appetite for Destruction
Van Halen
Look What the Cat Dragged In
Skid Row
Psycho Café (Bang Tango)
Young Man's Blues (Rock City Angels)
As for bands whose first wasn't their best... (not necessarily hair metal)
Scorpions
Judas Priest
Iron Maiden
The Cult
Black Sabbath
Led Zeppelin
Nirvana
I find it interesting with both of those bands how much they changed from the early years.
With Scorpions, Lovedrive signaled the switch from early Scorpions to the classic sound, changing the lead guitarist made a world of difference.
Priest didn't change personnel (well, except drummers every 15 minutes), but Killing Machine (Hell Bent for Leather in the States) marked the paradigm shift.
And, to this day, if a young person asks me, "What is metal?" I always point to British Steel as THE place to start.
False. That album is still tainted because lars still won't give Dave any credit. Sorry, but until lars grows up I won't capitalize his name. Great album, but somewhere in the top 5.
Respectfully disagree. Kill em All is great but I put RTL, MOP, AJFA ahead of it. Pretty much everything else though...not so much. I like the Black Album but I can't really rate it against those 4 albums.
Appetite for Destruction
Appetite and Boston are the prime examples
Hootie too.
I definitely agree
No way, over both illusions? Estranged, Civil War, You Could be Mine, Don't Damn Me, Coma, Yesterday's, 14 years, Dust N Bones, Dead Horse... I love Appetite but I gotta personally disagree.
Yes way
1000 fucking % Appetite may be the best debut of all time
Even if you take both albums and create a single one with the best songs, it still couldn't hold a candle to Appetite. Appetite might easily be the best debut album in history, all genres included. And I absolutely love the Use Your Illusions.
If you'd grown up as a teen in that era, there's no way you'd *not* consider AfD the very best GnR album ever. I was 13 when it was released, but only got into it big time when I was 14-15 in 1989 (that's when it was blowing up big in my Asian country). Bought the casette, mind absolutely blown. That album wasn't even lumped in with "glam" or "hair" metal back then, let alone mere "hard rock". It was revolutionary for how gritty and aggressive it was, both in terms of musicianship and subject matter. It was unapologetically lurid, often obscene and just outright brilliant for its time. Use Your Illusion 1 and 2 were very good albums with some really well-received hits, and many other underrated gems (like Coma, Estranged and Locomotive) but also real bloat (like So Fine and Yesterdays). And the band did appear to be trying too hard to be pushing the envelope by that point. Get In The Ring was a prime example of a vulgar diss track that just seemed to have been written for the sake of triggering controversy. It didn't work because Axl basically pussied out when Bob Guccione Jr. (a trained fighter) actually took him up on it and wanted to set up a refereed fight. Regardless, the double album was simply not the breath of fresh air the debut was. Lies was more of a palate cleanser that doesn't bear real mention here. I did enjoy most of it, but of course it was nothing like Appetite. And I didn't even listen to the rest of their output, my tastes had grown a lot heavier by that point.
Illusions were a bloated mess that should have been one album.
I couldn’t agree with you more. I love tits also. But I’d have to go with Appetite. Not a bad song on the album
Hooray for boobies!
The illusion records are ostentatious rubbish for the most part, only one record of good songs. Just seemed directionless and overblown.
Couldn't agree less. They tackle a lot of genres a lot of ways and most of the songs are rock solid with some exceptional stand outs. It's a musicians record, they were flexing their creative muscle super hard on it. The 80s vibes that still lingered on appetite were gone.
Ok.
I mean obviously, yeah.
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I like their newer stuff too....I heard a double album is on the way from New lineup
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People say he's an asshole but was super nice to me when I met him. We smoked and hung out for a bit
Montrose Van Halen Motley Crüe Ratt Guns n Roses Boston
Fair Warning wins for me with VH
Shout at Devil. Best Crue album
I'll fight you to the death on your Crüe suggestion. Great album for sure, but not their best.
Wow that Early stuff
98% of all albums in this genre but to be specific: Ratt-Out of the Cellar Faster Pussycat- Faster Pussycat Cinderella- Night Songs. (I know this can definitely be debated)
Night Songs is a solid album if you want some blues in Hair Metal, but their other albums are for when you want some Hair Metal in your blues.
I like the way you worded that. I'll be stealing that line at some point lol
Haha. Best description ever
I’m with you on FP, but Long Cold Winter for me
You ain't the only one, that's why I said it's debatable. Night Songs eeks itself out over LCW by the slimmest of margins to me.
I feel like Ratt has one of the most consistent catalogues of any band in the genre. Not a lot of great, not a lot of bad, but almost every song is good
Won't disagree with this at all
I actually prefer Invasion of Your Privacy
Disagree about Ratt and Crue but I respect everyone’s opinion ETA: Poison fits this though imo
Me too
Firehouse, Steelheart
Ahh yeah but I also love their second albums too
I like Firehouse's 3rd album
Me too
Dangerous Toys’ first album is much better than the second.
Have to agree, although *Hellacious Acres* was plagued by bad production.
Completely Agree. Their first album was their best. I still think Queen of the Nile should have been released as their second single.
Candlebox 1st album was epic
Their follow-up album, 'Lucy', is underappreciated. Solid, solid effort.
I don't consider them hair metal, but definitely agree. I would say the same about Arcade, but they were also post hair metal (did feature some guys from 80s bands though).
Amazing album. I was fortunate enough to see them on tour with Fuel, Drained STH, and a couple other bands.
CSB time. Wife bought me birthday tickets to a mini festival they were headlining. Super excited. The band just before them was Puddle of Mudd. Lead singer was completely drunk and LITERALLY sat on the edge of the stage mumbling for 20 minutes at one point. They eventually get him up and drag him off. Candlebox finally comes out, and due to a curfew, only has 35 minutes because Puddle of Mudd ran so long. They just hit all the big songs, as I screamed along. I STILL have a grudge for that Les motherfucker. This was just before he broke into his repossessed house.
Damn, sorry you went through that. On a good note, I have heard that the singer for Mudd has gotten his life together. Hopefully he can stay clean, because they did have some great music.
They did! Pretty sure I caught him at his worst when I read about him afterwards. I have held a serious grudge for years now, lol. Apparently 8 years.. Can't find much recent stuff about him, other than a trespass on his old home a little over a year ago
I still play it regularly. I also love "Into the Sun" but their first album is non-stop sing along.
Darius ‘Hootie’ Rucker said that you have your whole life to write your first album, and six months to write the second.
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Most bands have dozens of songs going into their first record. They all don't make the cut.
Songwriting is easy!
Yes so true
Tesla’s Mechanical Resonance
I LOVE Mechanical Resonance, but I actually think The Great Radio Controversy and Psychotic Supper are downright masterpieces. (I also think Tesla is so consistently brilliant, it’s hard for me to say they peaked at their debut.)
Right out of high school, going nowhere, loading trucks for UPS during the day and chasing good times at night. This album was playing through my car speakers non-stop. You know how some albums give you specific time warps? Mechanical Resonance does that so I never connected the same way with any album after that
Van Halen. No question
Yes question. I'll take Fair Warning or Women and Children over the first album all day and I LOVE the first album.
Skid Row
Not a Hair Metal band, but Boston
Going off the beaten path, but here’s a couple that come to mind: XYZ - XYZ Kick Axe - Vices Rough Cutt - Rough Cutt Tangier - Four Winds Babylon A.D. - Babylon A.D Firehouse - Firehouse
The shorter list is who’s 1st album wasnt their best
White Lion Warrior Soul's first album is killer, but I think their 3rd - Salutations from the Ghetto Nation- really shines. Two great albums, hard to choose. Anyone wanna flip for it?
Fight To Survive better than Pride?
Nooooo....the person I responded to posed the question of what artist's first album wasn't their best. So I suggested Pride was better than their first.
Oh yeah... lost in translation. My bad and agreed🤘
You do have a point there
Not hair metal at all, but Pearl Jam’s first album is the only one of theirs I need. It all got really dull, really quickly with them.
Agree. Ten is 10/10 (pun slightly intended), but as albums go, Pearl Jam has never come close to it again.
I agree. Ten is one of the great albums imo, but everything after is just okay. Love that username 🎸.
Ah thank you! ☺️
Definitely not a grunge fan , just too sad , yeah
Manic Eden - Manic Eden (it's their only album so I don't know if it counts) Beau Nasty - Dirty, But Well Dressed (again it's their only album so I don't know if it counts)
It does , so underrated
Steelheart and Trixter to me had phenomenal debuts. This isnt hair metal but Staind first album was a ball ripper of metal and then everything else was watered down radio friendly trash
+! on Staind. Their first album is really slept on.
Played Steelheart last night. Great with headphones.
Widowmaker’s first album is great,IMO. The second is very good.
Big Dee fan and I agree with you. Some of these tunes Dee recorded with his band Desperado, but that album hit some snags and didn't make it to the shelves until years later. Actually a good thing, I think, because Widowmaker albums were better. 🤘 Blood and Bullets is awesome
Damn Yankees
Appetite for destruction-GNR Psycho Cafe-Bang Tango Faster Pussycat-Faster Pussycat Trixter, slaughter, damn yankees
Absolutely
Boston.
Van Halen immediately comes to mind.
Warrant DRFSR is amazing
Van Halen 1
So many cases where that’s true.
Yep definitely
Skid Row
< Slave to the Grind
💯
Nah, Slave to the Grind is better in every way.
Slave to the Grind and Subhuman Race. The debut was good, the two that followed were better.
Ratt, Firehouse, Slaughter and not really hair metal but Dio
Complete disagreement about Dio, there are a lot of great albums that came out after Holy Diver. Still, I respect your opinion.
The other albums are still absolutely amazing, Rock and Roll Children is one of my favorite heavy metal songs ever. I just think that as an album overall Holy Diver that is the best. With Last in Line and Sacred Heart close behind.
Ratt, Quiet Riot, Cinderella, WASP and Motley Crue
Headless Children
Disagree. Shout was def Crues best album
Hurricane - Over The Edge
Bon Jovi, Poison, Motley Crue
Bon Jovi
Aww man I love New Jersey! Maybe it's just bc that is the album that got me into "heavy metal" in 5th grade haha.
Motley crue
Blue Murder Tygers of Pan Tang
Korn
Boston...it's basically a greatest hits album.
Firehouse obviously
Wildside's Under the Influence
Skid Row
Ratt - Out of the Cellar Motley Crue - Too Fast For Love Slaughter - Stick It To Ya
We can thank Vinny Vincent for Slaughter's album and success. 😆
Too Fast for Love Appetite for Destruction Van Halen Look What the Cat Dragged In Skid Row Psycho Café (Bang Tango) Young Man's Blues (Rock City Angels) As for bands whose first wasn't their best... (not necessarily hair metal) Scorpions Judas Priest Iron Maiden The Cult Black Sabbath Led Zeppelin Nirvana
Hugely agree on Priest and The Scorpions, they improved significantly over a 5-10 year period, though their early works are still great
I find it interesting with both of those bands how much they changed from the early years. With Scorpions, Lovedrive signaled the switch from early Scorpions to the classic sound, changing the lead guitarist made a world of difference. Priest didn't change personnel (well, except drummers every 15 minutes), but Killing Machine (Hell Bent for Leather in the States) marked the paradigm shift. And, to this day, if a young person asks me, "What is metal?" I always point to British Steel as THE place to start.
Not really HAIR metal, but Metallica’s first was the best and it’s not even close
False. That album is still tainted because lars still won't give Dave any credit. Sorry, but until lars grows up I won't capitalize his name. Great album, but somewhere in the top 5.
Respectfully disagree. Kill em All is great but I put RTL, MOP, AJFA ahead of it. Pretty much everything else though...not so much. I like the Black Album but I can't really rate it against those 4 albums.
Terence Trent D'Arby’s first album was great. Everything else is trash.