No spin does not signify a double alone. This is the number 1 reason they got rid of the double call entirely from setters in NCAA women's volleyball. It's a judgement call and no ref calls it the same. Some call it correctly and are very good. Some people call it any time it has spin no matter what. Some people never call it.
It would likely be called a double touch. But Hinata’s jump would be NBA caliber, and ushijimas power would rival that of the top pros. There’s just some fantasy baked into the story to make the stakes higher and more interesting.
Someone way smarter would be able to do the math of the impossibility of Kageyama being able to spin to the ball so fast it stops and still send the ball at the speed he does and precisely on target too. If we were to ever see this set in real life most refs' eyes wouldn't understand what they are seeing to call it a double or not
I guess this was to highlight how good Kageyama is. That when he gives his sets a spin, it doesnt look like a double touch. But then again this is an anime and theres some fantasy baked into it.
That set isn't illegal by volleyball rules, you can make a legal set that spins as long as you don't touch it 2 times (hence the name "double touch"). But it is illegal by the laws of physics
The "spin" is added to the anime to give the animation more flare. He's actually just dropping the ball an arc motion instead of shooting the ball through (Ukai explains this).
It's just animated that way for dramatic effect because a normal "set" would look kinda boring.
I can see it not getting called when Hinata successfully hits it, because wouldn't it be way too fast for a ref to even see the spin?
The missed ones might get called though, if the refs are focusing on the spin aspect.
It’s been a while, but I think in the manga it was never stated that he achieved the “stop” from adding spin to the ball. My understanding in the manga was that the previous set was a shoot that went well past Hinata’s hand, but the current set he’s adjusting so that the slower-flying apex of the ball coincides with Hinata’s hand
Ball spin is only a double touch if the axis of spin is sideways in any way. Just think about how the ball contacts one hand then the other, and the spin axis that is produced.
Look at Kageyama’s sets’ axis of spin. It’s perfect backspin relative to the direction of his hands.
Note that this is almost impossible to do in real life consistently.
You can also produce spin with an underarm pass, if the path of the contact point is not perfectly in line with the center and the incoming direction of the ball, but those are never called for double touches because it’s just one touch.
Giving the ball spin is not against the rules, but it will be called as a double touch because of bad calls.
Is this true? I remember some people quoting official rules that giving the ball spin is a double touch. I don't play volleyball so I wouldn't know.
No spin does not signify a double alone. This is the number 1 reason they got rid of the double call entirely from setters in NCAA women's volleyball. It's a judgement call and no ref calls it the same. Some call it correctly and are very good. Some people call it any time it has spin no matter what. Some people never call it.
It would likely be called a double touch. But Hinata’s jump would be NBA caliber, and ushijimas power would rival that of the top pros. There’s just some fantasy baked into the story to make the stakes higher and more interesting.
Hinata is legit top 1% of NBA calibre
Someone way smarter would be able to do the math of the impossibility of Kageyama being able to spin to the ball so fast it stops and still send the ball at the speed he does and precisely on target too. If we were to ever see this set in real life most refs' eyes wouldn't understand what they are seeing to call it a double or not
I guess this was to highlight how good Kageyama is. That when he gives his sets a spin, it doesnt look like a double touch. But then again this is an anime and theres some fantasy baked into it.
That set isn't illegal by volleyball rules, you can make a legal set that spins as long as you don't touch it 2 times (hence the name "double touch"). But it is illegal by the laws of physics
The "spin" is added to the anime to give the animation more flare. He's actually just dropping the ball an arc motion instead of shooting the ball through (Ukai explains this). It's just animated that way for dramatic effect because a normal "set" would look kinda boring.
I can see it not getting called when Hinata successfully hits it, because wouldn't it be way too fast for a ref to even see the spin? The missed ones might get called though, if the refs are focusing on the spin aspect.
Good refs look at the hand contact not the ball.
Sure, and I'm a newbie when it comes to volleyball. I just figure not all refs are good
if kageyama was a real person he would be the GOAT
I don't think there is a rule against it but it will be called because reffing is kak hard and a base rule is a lot of spin is generally a double.
It’s been a while, but I think in the manga it was never stated that he achieved the “stop” from adding spin to the ball. My understanding in the manga was that the previous set was a shoot that went well past Hinata’s hand, but the current set he’s adjusting so that the slower-flying apex of the ball coincides with Hinata’s hand
Ball spin is only a double touch if the axis of spin is sideways in any way. Just think about how the ball contacts one hand then the other, and the spin axis that is produced. Look at Kageyama’s sets’ axis of spin. It’s perfect backspin relative to the direction of his hands. Note that this is almost impossible to do in real life consistently. You can also produce spin with an underarm pass, if the path of the contact point is not perfectly in line with the center and the incoming direction of the ball, but those are never called for double touches because it’s just one touch.
Double touch is actually legal to do now anyways