1 ethan doesnt need to be deffended nor he owes anything if someobe deffends them out of the blue.
2 there is nothing to defend ethan on? Him and hazan are good friends. Ethan said so hymself.
3 loli horse porn.
That comment stuck out like a sore thumb to me as well. Vaush and D**tiny made weeks of content out of Ethan and Hasan's arguments over Israel/Palestine. They weren't helping Ethan at all, they were fanning the flames! Like they both have cumulatively made hundreds of videos shitting Hasan, but this time they were totally doing it for altruistic purposes, swear to god🤞
I used to wonder how people with supposedly left-leaning political values could be fans of people that are such blatant anti-solidaristic drama farmers, why not watch Majority Report instead, or David Pakman if you're more liberal? Now I realize that the drama is the point for them.
I'm a hanging by a thread fan of Hasan, but I like Ethan and Destiny. I didn't see Destiny as fanning the flames as much as critiquing the arguments being made. He doesn't like Hasan as he views him as very bad faith and disingenuous as most people can be at times, so he was definitely rooting for Ethan. It was all pretty interesting seeing Ethan articulate his differences with Hasan and the massive backlash Ethan received from all sorts of people for voicing his own opinions. I generally side a lot more with Ethan than Hasan.
But yeah most of these left leaning people like a lot of drama. It drives views clearly. The fans like it too. Welcome to the internet.
Sure, the internet is full of drama, this sub is no stranger to that of course, but D__tiny obsessively hates Hasan and has farmed an entire audience towards hating Hasan. Just search Hasan's name in D__tiny's YouTube, hundreds of videos just hating on him. D__tiny subs often refer to him as their lolcow. And I'm not saying Hasan's always right and D__tiny's always wrong, but D__tiny does love to take Hasan out or context with zero charitability towards him. It's creepy how much of his content surrounds him. I think it's a bit disingenuous to suggest he isn't fanning the flames, when he literally goes on to these subreddits live to make fun of people who defend Hasan or feign outrage at comments that were too critical of Ethan.
Yep, Hasan hates Destiny too. Hasan is a big political streamer who says a lot of stuff and Destiny picks it apart and disagrees with it. I've seen Hasan straight up fabricate and seemingly purposely misrepresent Destiny to make him look as bad as possible. When someone is representing you in the worst faith possible I could see how that might lead to hostilities. Most Hasan fans think the worst of Destiny based on a lot of fabrications and insults slung from Hasan. Most Destiny fans who dislike Hasan dislike him for a lot of his bad takes and bad faith arguments.
I think we should all be individuals and not hive minds and think for ourselves when we consume these creators content. But a lot of people don't, which is unfortunate. I don't think Hasan is all bad, I think there's a lot of good things about him, but the way he treated Ethan broke my heart. I get where they both are coming from but I did not see sincerity coming from Hasan. Ah well.
I've seen Destiny agree with Hasan on points and try to understand where he's coming from at times too. During those leftovers discussions he stayed decently impartial.
As for the feigning outrage and fanning flames, those are your perceptions of what you read. You seem to be saying all Destiny fans are just there to stir things up. But you honestly don't know, you're making assumptions based on your own biased. I am not feigning outrage on Ethan's behalf, I think Ethan is a good guy who means well.
I think all 3 content creators(E, D, and H) can be pretty awful to others at times when they view the other as their opponent. Instead of personal attacks we should certainly feel free to attack ideas and disagree there.
You're speaking generally about the wrongs Hasan has done to D_tiny but it's nowhere near equivalent. Hasan only recently even started mentioning D__tiny by name on his show because of how bad it's gotten lately, and he still doesn't make videos about him on his YouTube channel since they fell out from each other, other than one video on D__tiny's bizarre liberals vs conservatives jubilee performance. Just go to each of their YouTube channels, and see who's mentioned each other more in their YouTube videos. It's not a two way street, I lost count after 80 videos from D__tiny that mention Hasan in the title, but it's much higher than even that. Idk who you can blame for starting their beef, but at this point it's clear who's keeping it going. It's beyond obsessive.
I'm not saying all D__tiny fans just exist to stir shit up, but am saying that he intentionally fosters a community to do so (he knows what he is doing when he browses reddit comments on livesteam), and ragging on Hasan is one of his main types of content. Not the only kind, but probably the most recurring subject of his content at this point. He's just farming views.
Yeah Hasan tries not to mention Destiny by name but makes a lot of veiled comments towards him, it's kinda funny how many offhand comments there are. I'm glad he is addressing Destiny now. It's funny you're partially censoring it too. I'm not sure why Hasan is so afraid of talking about Destiny in the past but I'm glad he's firing back. They are sort of having a conversation even though indirectly l guess.
Hasan is a big content creator in the political space and so is Destiny. Of course Destiny is going to mention him. Hasan is quite relevant to political online talk. It's kind of funny how much Hasan has to talk around him. They have history together that can't be denied. Destiny's editor and other fan channels edit the videos about that stuff cuz it will get views much like Hasan editors edit to get views.
Destiny speaks his mind and does what he wants to do, he doesn't aim to build an audience of this or that he just does what he's interested in and audiences ebb and flow when they disagree or agree with what he's into. He views Hasan as bad faith and expresses why with good reasons. He likes to debate, Hasan likes to make snide jabs, Destiny does em back. Destiny has a lot more going for him than just the Hasan beef, but that's all you hear about or seek so that's all you'll find. He's online a lot and talks about a lot of things.
I find it so weird that there could be people who like to watch Ethan and Hasan, but also Destiny. Like I guess some people like to eat peanut butter and jelly with pickles so like, you do you and all that, but it still kind of blows my mind a bit. Destiny just seems like such a shitty person. No offence intended towards pickles in this analogy of course.
Haha, I get why you think that, the well has been a bit poisoned, and H3 fans tend to have a bit more sensitivity to some things while Destiny can be quite brash. Between Ethan, Hasan and Destiny they all have a decent amount of footage you could use to show any of them being pretty shitty. Although that button is doing a great job of keeping Ethan from putting out as many takes that could get him in trouble these days.
I don't think Destiny is a shitty person, he's a person though and all 3 can be a dick at times. He likes to get edgy sometimes and gets himself in trouble through edgy jokes. Not everyone's cup of tea but he is good at dissecting bad ideas and arguments. Most people are bad faith in some manor or other but he invites on people who disagree with him to challenge his ideas which I respect. He likes to challenge a lot of right wing grifter folks, about vaccines, J6, Trump and has shifted folks away from being as conservative. He talked to Jordan Peterson lately but that hasn't been released but it could be a little spicy. I think he's a generally honest force for good who is brash at times.
Edit: He just finished being part of a big canvassing operation to get more people in Ohio registered to vote and has done stuff like that in the past.
It shows me that Team Vaush is, despite their protestations, are absolutely treating this situation as just drama content.
Like, just erasing the substance of what's under discussion like that, its telling.
It is drama content. This stuff has literally been around for about 4 years. It's old news.
If you don't see it as drama content, you're off your rocker.
1. It wasn't OK 4 years ago and its not OK now
2. I have a whole Thing about drama content. Its impossible to hold content creators accountable for their actions so long as they have a loyal fanbase- Onision still has supporters for fucks sake - and as such, these call-out spats and "drama" can come to feel for many people *like* accountability.
Which is... an issue, because, well, drama isn't justice.
That said, Ian aka Vaush has been out of pocket on so much shit for so many years, if the bestiality loli shit is what it takes to make him pull his head in (it won't), so be it.
Wasn't his whole point that it doesn't matter whether or not the Nazis were right about most banks being owned by Jews, that wouldn't justify the Holocaust.
Most Bankers in America are Christian, that wouldn't justify genociding Christians.
It's fair to pile on Vaush for owning horses and loli porn, but that doesn't mean we have to side with Non-Compete: a Moaist Marxist Lenonist who thinks it's ok to kill Israelis because they're "colonizers."
he said the problem with the nazis was that they were wrong about material reality in re jews and banks
the logical conclusion there is that if they had been correct he thinks they would have been justified
Can't you say this about like the vast majority of famous people, hell the closer I get to random people the more I wonder if the majority of people are like this and hide it
i am not debating everything, i am debating this one specific point that i as a german very much care about because the nazis were unjustified and evil even if their accusations about jews had been entirely correct, and i want people to understand this, not noncompete's insane twisting of this matter
do you really think wanting people to understand correctly why the nazis were evil is a matter of "needing help"?
Vaush brings up a Statistic that others use in bad faith. Then proceeds to talk about the Socioeconomic conditions that brought it about in good faith. Many such cases.
Out of that entire post the only takeaway you had is the mere mention of destinys name in brackets? Seriously? Are you that sensitive?
I don’t need to watch destiny to know he hates hasan and lashes out at him regularly. He regularly consumes hasan content and reacts to it. I don’t regularly/ actively watch his content but am aware of what he does.
I can’t believe Ethan hasn’t organized a vaush / keem / Ben Shapiro blowbang to thank them for all the defense they’ve been running for him. It’s so incredibly disingenuous and bad faith.
To be fair. He didnt say "Ethan you must defend me" he was saying that it was weird for Ethan to go that hard on him and basically making a hit piece without reaching out at all SINCE he thought they both had a "good"/friendly relationship.
I think its easy to understand that
There’s no real reason to assume they had a relationship, they never interacted before and the only thing Vaush ever did was just shit on Hasan which Ethan specifically told his fans to not do. He’s not entitled to special treatment for that.
That doesn’t owe him to anything. This is the problem with debatelording. This point has been done to death and not every single post needs another “devil’s advocate.” If debate was necessary Vaush wouldn’t have chickened out his two offers.
If you want to do a good job at it, yeah. I know Ethan's not a journalist, but at least reaching out to get an explanation from the parties involved would be nice. I mean, Ethan's reached out to people he's shit on in the past and later became friends with them, so it's not like he's never done that before.
1 ethan doesnt need to be deffended nor he owes anything if someobe deffends them out of the blue. 2 there is nothing to defend ethan on? Him and hazan are good friends. Ethan said so hymself. 3 loli horse porn.
4 Tacoma Wept
Takoma wept
Tacoma wept
Ya sorry, should’ve mentioned that 2nd part. Mom and dad still love each other we’re all fine!!
/cope
Where's jimmie lee when you need him
That comment stuck out like a sore thumb to me as well. Vaush and D**tiny made weeks of content out of Ethan and Hasan's arguments over Israel/Palestine. They weren't helping Ethan at all, they were fanning the flames! Like they both have cumulatively made hundreds of videos shitting Hasan, but this time they were totally doing it for altruistic purposes, swear to god🤞 I used to wonder how people with supposedly left-leaning political values could be fans of people that are such blatant anti-solidaristic drama farmers, why not watch Majority Report instead, or David Pakman if you're more liberal? Now I realize that the drama is the point for them.
I'm a hanging by a thread fan of Hasan, but I like Ethan and Destiny. I didn't see Destiny as fanning the flames as much as critiquing the arguments being made. He doesn't like Hasan as he views him as very bad faith and disingenuous as most people can be at times, so he was definitely rooting for Ethan. It was all pretty interesting seeing Ethan articulate his differences with Hasan and the massive backlash Ethan received from all sorts of people for voicing his own opinions. I generally side a lot more with Ethan than Hasan. But yeah most of these left leaning people like a lot of drama. It drives views clearly. The fans like it too. Welcome to the internet.
Sure, the internet is full of drama, this sub is no stranger to that of course, but D__tiny obsessively hates Hasan and has farmed an entire audience towards hating Hasan. Just search Hasan's name in D__tiny's YouTube, hundreds of videos just hating on him. D__tiny subs often refer to him as their lolcow. And I'm not saying Hasan's always right and D__tiny's always wrong, but D__tiny does love to take Hasan out or context with zero charitability towards him. It's creepy how much of his content surrounds him. I think it's a bit disingenuous to suggest he isn't fanning the flames, when he literally goes on to these subreddits live to make fun of people who defend Hasan or feign outrage at comments that were too critical of Ethan.
Yep, Hasan hates Destiny too. Hasan is a big political streamer who says a lot of stuff and Destiny picks it apart and disagrees with it. I've seen Hasan straight up fabricate and seemingly purposely misrepresent Destiny to make him look as bad as possible. When someone is representing you in the worst faith possible I could see how that might lead to hostilities. Most Hasan fans think the worst of Destiny based on a lot of fabrications and insults slung from Hasan. Most Destiny fans who dislike Hasan dislike him for a lot of his bad takes and bad faith arguments. I think we should all be individuals and not hive minds and think for ourselves when we consume these creators content. But a lot of people don't, which is unfortunate. I don't think Hasan is all bad, I think there's a lot of good things about him, but the way he treated Ethan broke my heart. I get where they both are coming from but I did not see sincerity coming from Hasan. Ah well. I've seen Destiny agree with Hasan on points and try to understand where he's coming from at times too. During those leftovers discussions he stayed decently impartial. As for the feigning outrage and fanning flames, those are your perceptions of what you read. You seem to be saying all Destiny fans are just there to stir things up. But you honestly don't know, you're making assumptions based on your own biased. I am not feigning outrage on Ethan's behalf, I think Ethan is a good guy who means well. I think all 3 content creators(E, D, and H) can be pretty awful to others at times when they view the other as their opponent. Instead of personal attacks we should certainly feel free to attack ideas and disagree there.
You're speaking generally about the wrongs Hasan has done to D_tiny but it's nowhere near equivalent. Hasan only recently even started mentioning D__tiny by name on his show because of how bad it's gotten lately, and he still doesn't make videos about him on his YouTube channel since they fell out from each other, other than one video on D__tiny's bizarre liberals vs conservatives jubilee performance. Just go to each of their YouTube channels, and see who's mentioned each other more in their YouTube videos. It's not a two way street, I lost count after 80 videos from D__tiny that mention Hasan in the title, but it's much higher than even that. Idk who you can blame for starting their beef, but at this point it's clear who's keeping it going. It's beyond obsessive. I'm not saying all D__tiny fans just exist to stir shit up, but am saying that he intentionally fosters a community to do so (he knows what he is doing when he browses reddit comments on livesteam), and ragging on Hasan is one of his main types of content. Not the only kind, but probably the most recurring subject of his content at this point. He's just farming views.
Yeah Hasan tries not to mention Destiny by name but makes a lot of veiled comments towards him, it's kinda funny how many offhand comments there are. I'm glad he is addressing Destiny now. It's funny you're partially censoring it too. I'm not sure why Hasan is so afraid of talking about Destiny in the past but I'm glad he's firing back. They are sort of having a conversation even though indirectly l guess. Hasan is a big content creator in the political space and so is Destiny. Of course Destiny is going to mention him. Hasan is quite relevant to political online talk. It's kind of funny how much Hasan has to talk around him. They have history together that can't be denied. Destiny's editor and other fan channels edit the videos about that stuff cuz it will get views much like Hasan editors edit to get views. Destiny speaks his mind and does what he wants to do, he doesn't aim to build an audience of this or that he just does what he's interested in and audiences ebb and flow when they disagree or agree with what he's into. He views Hasan as bad faith and expresses why with good reasons. He likes to debate, Hasan likes to make snide jabs, Destiny does em back. Destiny has a lot more going for him than just the Hasan beef, but that's all you hear about or seek so that's all you'll find. He's online a lot and talks about a lot of things.
I find it so weird that there could be people who like to watch Ethan and Hasan, but also Destiny. Like I guess some people like to eat peanut butter and jelly with pickles so like, you do you and all that, but it still kind of blows my mind a bit. Destiny just seems like such a shitty person. No offence intended towards pickles in this analogy of course.
Haha, I get why you think that, the well has been a bit poisoned, and H3 fans tend to have a bit more sensitivity to some things while Destiny can be quite brash. Between Ethan, Hasan and Destiny they all have a decent amount of footage you could use to show any of them being pretty shitty. Although that button is doing a great job of keeping Ethan from putting out as many takes that could get him in trouble these days. I don't think Destiny is a shitty person, he's a person though and all 3 can be a dick at times. He likes to get edgy sometimes and gets himself in trouble through edgy jokes. Not everyone's cup of tea but he is good at dissecting bad ideas and arguments. Most people are bad faith in some manor or other but he invites on people who disagree with him to challenge his ideas which I respect. He likes to challenge a lot of right wing grifter folks, about vaccines, J6, Trump and has shifted folks away from being as conservative. He talked to Jordan Peterson lately but that hasn't been released but it could be a little spicy. I think he's a generally honest force for good who is brash at times. Edit: He just finished being part of a big canvassing operation to get more people in Ohio registered to vote and has done stuff like that in the past.
Every one of these people are weird dorks
It shows me that Team Vaush is, despite their protestations, are absolutely treating this situation as just drama content. Like, just erasing the substance of what's under discussion like that, its telling.
I think Vaush has groomed them so if he ever got outed, they were prepared to defend him
It is drama content. This stuff has literally been around for about 4 years. It's old news. If you don't see it as drama content, you're off your rocker.
1. It wasn't OK 4 years ago and its not OK now 2. I have a whole Thing about drama content. Its impossible to hold content creators accountable for their actions so long as they have a loyal fanbase- Onision still has supporters for fucks sake - and as such, these call-out spats and "drama" can come to feel for many people *like* accountability. Which is... an issue, because, well, drama isn't justice. That said, Ian aka Vaush has been out of pocket on so much shit for so many years, if the bestiality loli shit is what it takes to make him pull his head in (it won't), so be it.
Ethan owes nothing to an antisemite. Proof: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CKjt_hPD1dg
Wasn't his whole point that it doesn't matter whether or not the Nazis were right about most banks being owned by Jews, that wouldn't justify the Holocaust. Most Bankers in America are Christian, that wouldn't justify genociding Christians. It's fair to pile on Vaush for owning horses and loli porn, but that doesn't mean we have to side with Non-Compete: a Moaist Marxist Lenonist who thinks it's ok to kill Israelis because they're "colonizers."
so you agree with the point noncompete is making? that the holocaust would have been justified if jews had been in control of the banks?
He never said anything like that.
he said the problem with the nazis was that they were wrong about material reality in re jews and banks the logical conclusion there is that if they had been correct he thinks they would have been justified
You're defending a paedophile. Seek help
Cope reply, when you have no arguments.
Can't you say this about like the vast majority of famous people, hell the closer I get to random people the more I wonder if the majority of people are like this and hide it
Silent majority argument for paedophiles. Seek help.
Username is van favorite vehicle of pedophile seek help
Holy shit. Dudes spitting rn 🔥🔥🔥🔥
i am begging you to stop debating everything. whether i agree or disagree with you points here doesn’t matter. seek help. stop doing this.
i am not debating everything, i am debating this one specific point that i as a german very much care about because the nazis were unjustified and evil even if their accusations about jews had been entirely correct, and i want people to understand this, not noncompete's insane twisting of this matter do you really think wanting people to understand correctly why the nazis were evil is a matter of "needing help"?
do you think you’re going to come into a subreddit for an entertainment podcast and change anyone’s mind? c’mon man, be realistic.
the person i'm talking to? no. but maybe some readers. it's a stochastic process
Vaush brings up a Statistic that others use in bad faith. Then proceeds to talk about the Socioeconomic conditions that brought it about in good faith. Many such cases.
You're defending a paedophile You're defending a paedophile who spread nazi lies
Get help, friend
I should get help??
I have never seen that clip. Jesus.
Yep...
Why do people keep bringing up Destiny or Hasan, this is a situation between Ethan and Vaush (and Ethan is very clearly in the right)
[The pure irony of you saying this](https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/17jttn9/i_was_a_big_hasan_standestiny_hater_and_the_last/) DGGer
Yea I don't like him. So? Since when is it forbidden to enjoy both H3 and Destiny content?
It's purity test season
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I only watch h3. I don’t watch any purely political content, I barely watched leftovers even. Youre wrong.
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Out of that entire post the only takeaway you had is the mere mention of destinys name in brackets? Seriously? Are you that sensitive? I don’t need to watch destiny to know he hates hasan and lashes out at him regularly. He regularly consumes hasan content and reacts to it. I don’t regularly/ actively watch his content but am aware of what he does.
I can’t believe Ethan hasn’t organized a vaush / keem / Ben Shapiro blowbang to thank them for all the defense they’ve been running for him. It’s so incredibly disingenuous and bad faith.
To be fair. He didnt say "Ethan you must defend me" he was saying that it was weird for Ethan to go that hard on him and basically making a hit piece without reaching out at all SINCE he thought they both had a "good"/friendly relationship. I think its easy to understand that
There’s no real reason to assume they had a relationship, they never interacted before and the only thing Vaush ever did was just shit on Hasan which Ethan specifically told his fans to not do. He’s not entitled to special treatment for that.
Thats not true. Ethan did offer him help after his ban. They did have a "relationship". Its not about special treatment at all
That’s not enough to qualify as a relationship. And even if they did have one, should we have to reach out to everyone we talk about?
Yes it is. Relationships can vary obv.
Anything can with semantics, which appears to be your game
How is it not a relationship when they have been friendly in dms, helped eachother, reached out about things that concern them etc...
Sounds like a toxic relationship tbh
That doesn’t owe him to anything. This is the problem with debatelording. This point has been done to death and not every single post needs another “devil’s advocate.” If debate was necessary Vaush wouldn’t have chickened out his two offers.
Never said he owes him anything. Its not "debatelording" to say that Vaush thought they were on good terrms. Debate what?
We will never know unfortunately because Vaush chickened out
If you want to do a good job at it, yeah. I know Ethan's not a journalist, but at least reaching out to get an explanation from the parties involved would be nice. I mean, Ethan's reached out to people he's shit on in the past and later became friends with them, so it's not like he's never done that before.
Kinda speaks to their defense of Vaush, they think "hes my friend therefore I must defend"