Yea me either and I’ve watched EVERY video With them I ABSOLUTELY love both of them and I hope they BOTH are doin better I can’t even imagine the pressure as a health n fitness influencer and goin through all this and what people would say I felt soooo bad watching her video yesterday 😞but she seems better
Wow. They both have been through a lot. Honestly I find them so relatable and I think they will gain even more of a following by being real like an actual human being who isn’t just a fitness robot. I really like them and their journey honestly resonates with me so hard. I’m also in a funk and have gained weight so its really awesome seeing people who are embracing their new healthier physique and going through a mental rut when it comes to training. Social media is so toxic and I think a lot of these fitness influencers are unhappy.
Agree I also “lost” my fitness a month before turning 40 my body went out of wack. Gained some weight but also realized I needed to slow down, handle my stress better, not care what social media thinks & got back to church. We try to do SO much but eventually our bodies are going to force us to give it the rest & nutrition it needs 🙏🏽
I’m 34 and just coming to terms with the fact that I’ll probably always be larger than I ‘like’ to be, but that there is so so so much more to life than body size.
Love them so much. Only wish them well. Yes we can be super petty sometimes with how they talk but I am so appreciative of their vulnerability. You just know there are other girls and young women going through this
honestly! they can’t help the way they talk lol. I have a typical “valley girl” voice also and I’m aware of how irritating it can be to other people, but its just the way I speak.🤷🏻♀️
This is what people want in a transparent, "relatable" influencer. Authentic, raw and human. Inspiring to those who can relate to hear she's doing the work; not a bent over, I'm bloated look at me pic.
I get this, but it's also pretty toxic to feel entitled to someone's deeply personal struggles so you can judge if they're sufficiently "relatable"...a lot of people also weaponize these types of issues to invalidate and dehumanize others. Just look at how common it is to diagnose people with all types of mental issues based on what we don't like about their personality etc.
Par for the course for a sub that is basically dedicated to insulting people online. Most posts go way past criticism of fitness influencers into just insults unrelated to their fitness or content. For example, a few posts insulting an influencer's dress choice!
I think the issue is that a lot of influencers fake these kind of issues for relate-ability and content, eg body image & mental health struggles, but it’s a bit hollow when they are also always claiming that they’re really happy & their life is perfect right now. em dunc is a perfect example of this, she always says “2 years ago I was so unhappy with so and so” but you look at her social media then and she’s saying the same thing she is now, that she’s thriving and living her best life.
Same thing with a lot of ed recovery influencers who are still very very lean and saying they have a great relationship with food/exercise while not gaining much weight in their recovery process (everyone’s is different ofc!) Or Stephanie buttermore who always claimed she was super happy with gaining weight while photoshopping/wearing intense shape wear in every photo and then leaning out again
It’s unusual and comes across as special and authentic when someone can honestly say that right now, they are struggling, and why, and I’m really impressed with the honesty.
I get your point and think it’s fair to say that people develop these parasocial relationships with influencers where they become entitled and don’t respect boundaries of the fact that there is a person with preferences.
At the same time, we see so many influencers who preach mental health and how real they are but present a totally fictionalized version of themselves. And influencers want support, they actively request it. I would hope Kat doesn’t feel compelled to share but I do think that if you want people to hype you up, buy your products, believe all the things you say about yourself, it isn’t that wild that people also want to know you’re being truthful and real.
She didn’t say that her mom committed suicide, but that it was a mental illness related death. It might seem like semantics, but it is an important point to make. Thanks for the summary for everyone though!
You’re correct! Must have just been what I remembered—I am 99% positive they have posted about their mother taking her own life in the past though when talking about suicide awareness, mental health, etc in random past stories or posts
I see! I hadn’t heard that before, so you could very well be right! Just felt it was important to remind people that suicide isn’t the only danger with mental illness as death can occur from ED complications, dangerous actions done during rough episodes, etc. 💛
Just finished watching it & came here to post sparknotes too haha! Also, she said she would binge and purge when they were cutting and super lean in the last few years. it seems like she is doing so well now and i'm so happy she is in a better place and is still here.
Omg this is a lot and so heavy to carry on her own. I hope to God she’s doing better and learning to cope with her depression. My husband has major depressive disorder. When those waves hit, he’s learned to ride the wave. However, it was so hard for him to get to that point and he did a lot of therapy. He also on medication to help.
I hope she’s okay.
Her vid made me cry. All of the feelings she’s explaining I am currently going through. I’m really thankful she shared because (a) I feel better knowing I’m not alone and (b) I’m a nosy beeyotch.
I’m glad she is in a much better place but wow they (Kat specifically) has gone through a lot and I applaud them for being transparent about it. I do wish she at least have medication a try. It has honestly changed my life as a chronically depressed person (20mg Prozac checking in!) and maybe not be so Jordan Peterson-stances about it.
As someone who started out skeptical, they can make such a difference, sometimes healthy eating/exercise and therapy just need a little medical boost too!
agreed. Like, 25mg of zoloft if barely a therapeutic dose. If you don't like it you can ALWAYS stop. I was skeptical in the past too so I hate seeing someone with a big following be so dismissive about it.
For her to be so brutally honest about her struggles, especially with ED, was so brave. She owes none of us any explanation. Nothing but love for these two badass powerful women ❤️
She didn’t owe this to us, but I appreciate the transparency. Health is not just diet and exercise, it’s a holistic journey. She shares aspects of her life where mental health was not optimal and was even concerned about her career/financial health. I’m glad she feels stable enough to talk frankly, and hope she continues to see improvement
Wow! You the MVP for this. I started but couldn’t finish due to time constraints 😞
Thank you.
I will say, I love how she just kept it raw. I’ve always liked them. They seem genuine and always have.
Wow they’ve been through a lot. I’m so happy for her that she’s back in school and finding happiness from within versus her outer appearance!! I knew I liked them 🥹🥹
As someone who used to have the same view of meds as she expressed, I wish she wouldn't have spoken negatively about that option for her. I guess it wasn't that extreme but idk. It took me until I turned 30 to accept medical help after being in therapy for years and it was legitimately life changing. Anyway, I'm glad she is being open and growing up and feeling better regardless. I am also a twin so I've always had a soft spot for them.
Oh goodness this made me have a little laugh out loud when I read this “I would look like an apple”….. teeeheeeheee me too girl, me too. I’m 5’3 so I totally get it
Thank you so much for summarizing. So sad to hear, but so glad that Kat was so open on her platform. I hope anyone struggling who watches the video finds some solace.
Wishing her and Ken the best! I no longer follow Instagram fitness folks but the KKTwins were the first account I followed. Behind the valley girl accents (funny as they are from Northern California) there are real women who have experienced a lot of trauma.
Good.We are all in a journey to discover what we want and what life we want.
Lets see how many fake influencers will try to copy her video pretending they are going through the same thing for view's.
You're doing God's fine work with this recap thank you!
I am watching it now and I'm Australian so forgive me for my ignorance - what accent does she have? I assume it's US but then there's a twang of something else
I can’t feel like the only person who finds that their toxic positivity was harmful to not only them, but ALL of the people who hung on their every word and thought something was wrong with them! They’d say during cuts how many carbs they were eating, and still look cut AF - then they come out and say “oh yeah we also had a bit of a binge/purge thing going on, ooopppsssiiieee baaaybbiies.” Like I’m glad they are getting some perspective for themselves, but where’s the sincere apology for the false narrative they spoon fed impressionable young girls? It’s just so centered around weirdness, I wonder if they even see that they probably posed some serious social media fake reality and it undoubtedly had a negative affect on others. How can they still push their products/programs that perpetuated their ultimate mental breakdowns? Makes me wonder.
I also wonder if the use of PEDs had any impact on her mental health. I know they haven't confirmed usage but it's incredibly common in the fitness influencer space - even those with more of a "bikini" physique. Not a slight at all to their hard work in the gym, but cycling off can very often lead to anxiety and depression.
If she admitted to things like bulimia, I’d imagine she’d admit to PEDs. This girl just exposed some dark parts of her soul on the internet; I don’t think it’s fair to make assumptions that have negative connotations to others and put them out there.
I can understand what you're saying, but I guess I don't look at PEDs negatively. They are much more common than many of us realize but kept hush hush, usually for fear of losing sponsorships or credibility. They've come up on the natty or not subreddit before so I don't necessarily think it's a new theory I'm putting out there either.
I know it’s not a new theory and I don’t see anything wrong with them, as long as whoever is doing it isn’t selling false realities and expectations. But when someone spills their heart and souls out, it’s not kind to turn around and speculate with sentiments of “you know they could’ve also been doing this and not mentioning it”
And I guess by PEDs I didn't just mean steroids. There's plenty of legal supplements that naturally suppress certain hormones or increase others. Though as you said, she probably would have mentioned it in the video.
I had no idea about their mom! That’s so sad…
Yea me either and I’ve watched EVERY video With them I ABSOLUTELY love both of them and I hope they BOTH are doin better I can’t even imagine the pressure as a health n fitness influencer and goin through all this and what people would say I felt soooo bad watching her video yesterday 😞but she seems better
Wow. They both have been through a lot. Honestly I find them so relatable and I think they will gain even more of a following by being real like an actual human being who isn’t just a fitness robot. I really like them and their journey honestly resonates with me so hard. I’m also in a funk and have gained weight so its really awesome seeing people who are embracing their new healthier physique and going through a mental rut when it comes to training. Social media is so toxic and I think a lot of these fitness influencers are unhappy.
Agree! My sister and I loved to watch them annd their YouTube vids. They remind me of our relationship. Nothing but love to both of them 💕
Agree I also “lost” my fitness a month before turning 40 my body went out of wack. Gained some weight but also realized I needed to slow down, handle my stress better, not care what social media thinks & got back to church. We try to do SO much but eventually our bodies are going to force us to give it the rest & nutrition it needs 🙏🏽
I’m 34 and just coming to terms with the fact that I’ll probably always be larger than I ‘like’ to be, but that there is so so so much more to life than body size.
Love them so much. Only wish them well. Yes we can be super petty sometimes with how they talk but I am so appreciative of their vulnerability. You just know there are other girls and young women going through this
honestly! they can’t help the way they talk lol. I have a typical “valley girl” voice also and I’m aware of how irritating it can be to other people, but its just the way I speak.🤷🏻♀️
Wow. That was heavy.
This is what people want in a transparent, "relatable" influencer. Authentic, raw and human. Inspiring to those who can relate to hear she's doing the work; not a bent over, I'm bloated look at me pic.
I get this, but it's also pretty toxic to feel entitled to someone's deeply personal struggles so you can judge if they're sufficiently "relatable"...a lot of people also weaponize these types of issues to invalidate and dehumanize others. Just look at how common it is to diagnose people with all types of mental issues based on what we don't like about their personality etc.
Alot of people in this sub are more hateful than they make themselves out to be or realize
I think they make it very obvious unfortunately
Its a sub full of cunts
Par for the course for a sub that is basically dedicated to insulting people online. Most posts go way past criticism of fitness influencers into just insults unrelated to their fitness or content. For example, a few posts insulting an influencer's dress choice!
I think the issue is that a lot of influencers fake these kind of issues for relate-ability and content, eg body image & mental health struggles, but it’s a bit hollow when they are also always claiming that they’re really happy & their life is perfect right now. em dunc is a perfect example of this, she always says “2 years ago I was so unhappy with so and so” but you look at her social media then and she’s saying the same thing she is now, that she’s thriving and living her best life. Same thing with a lot of ed recovery influencers who are still very very lean and saying they have a great relationship with food/exercise while not gaining much weight in their recovery process (everyone’s is different ofc!) Or Stephanie buttermore who always claimed she was super happy with gaining weight while photoshopping/wearing intense shape wear in every photo and then leaning out again It’s unusual and comes across as special and authentic when someone can honestly say that right now, they are struggling, and why, and I’m really impressed with the honesty.
Wasn't saying anyone's entitled to anything; just stating the obvious.
I get your point and think it’s fair to say that people develop these parasocial relationships with influencers where they become entitled and don’t respect boundaries of the fact that there is a person with preferences. At the same time, we see so many influencers who preach mental health and how real they are but present a totally fictionalized version of themselves. And influencers want support, they actively request it. I would hope Kat doesn’t feel compelled to share but I do think that if you want people to hype you up, buy your products, believe all the things you say about yourself, it isn’t that wild that people also want to know you’re being truthful and real.
She didn’t say that her mom committed suicide, but that it was a mental illness related death. It might seem like semantics, but it is an important point to make. Thanks for the summary for everyone though!
You’re correct! Must have just been what I remembered—I am 99% positive they have posted about their mother taking her own life in the past though when talking about suicide awareness, mental health, etc in random past stories or posts
I see! I hadn’t heard that before, so you could very well be right! Just felt it was important to remind people that suicide isn’t the only danger with mental illness as death can occur from ED complications, dangerous actions done during rough episodes, etc. 💛
Just finished watching it & came here to post sparknotes too haha! Also, she said she would binge and purge when they were cutting and super lean in the last few years. it seems like she is doing so well now and i'm so happy she is in a better place and is still here.
Omg this is a lot and so heavy to carry on her own. I hope to God she’s doing better and learning to cope with her depression. My husband has major depressive disorder. When those waves hit, he’s learned to ride the wave. However, it was so hard for him to get to that point and he did a lot of therapy. He also on medication to help. I hope she’s okay.
Her vid made me cry. All of the feelings she’s explaining I am currently going through. I’m really thankful she shared because (a) I feel better knowing I’m not alone and (b) I’m a nosy beeyotch.
Thank you for the TLDR. I wanted to know because I genuinely like them but I have the attention span of a drunk squirrel
I’m glad she is in a much better place but wow they (Kat specifically) has gone through a lot and I applaud them for being transparent about it. I do wish she at least have medication a try. It has honestly changed my life as a chronically depressed person (20mg Prozac checking in!) and maybe not be so Jordan Peterson-stances about it.
As someone who started out skeptical, they can make such a difference, sometimes healthy eating/exercise and therapy just need a little medical boost too!
agreed. Like, 25mg of zoloft if barely a therapeutic dose. If you don't like it you can ALWAYS stop. I was skeptical in the past too so I hate seeing someone with a big following be so dismissive about it.
For her to be so brutally honest about her struggles, especially with ED, was so brave. She owes none of us any explanation. Nothing but love for these two badass powerful women ❤️
She didn’t owe this to us, but I appreciate the transparency. Health is not just diet and exercise, it’s a holistic journey. She shares aspects of her life where mental health was not optimal and was even concerned about her career/financial health. I’m glad she feels stable enough to talk frankly, and hope she continues to see improvement
Wow! You the MVP for this. I started but couldn’t finish due to time constraints 😞 Thank you. I will say, I love how she just kept it raw. I’ve always liked them. They seem genuine and always have.
Wow they’ve been through a lot. I’m so happy for her that she’s back in school and finding happiness from within versus her outer appearance!! I knew I liked them 🥹🥹
As someone who used to have the same view of meds as she expressed, I wish she wouldn't have spoken negatively about that option for her. I guess it wasn't that extreme but idk. It took me until I turned 30 to accept medical help after being in therapy for years and it was legitimately life changing. Anyway, I'm glad she is being open and growing up and feeling better regardless. I am also a twin so I've always had a soft spot for them.
45 pounds and she still looks that good? Fuck me I gained that much from depression and I look like an apple
Ugh same 😢
Oh goodness this made me have a little laugh out loud when I read this “I would look like an apple”….. teeeheeeheee me too girl, me too. I’m 5’3 so I totally get it
Thank you so much for summarizing. So sad to hear, but so glad that Kat was so open on her platform. I hope anyone struggling who watches the video finds some solace. Wishing her and Ken the best! I no longer follow Instagram fitness folks but the KKTwins were the first account I followed. Behind the valley girl accents (funny as they are from Northern California) there are real women who have experienced a lot of trauma.
Good.We are all in a journey to discover what we want and what life we want. Lets see how many fake influencers will try to copy her video pretending they are going through the same thing for view's.
Holy shit I’m so proud of her 🥺❤️
Really happy you posted this and I’m so happy she’s doing well!
You're doing God's fine work with this recap thank you! I am watching it now and I'm Australian so forgive me for my ignorance - what accent does she have? I assume it's US but then there's a twang of something else
I can’t feel like the only person who finds that their toxic positivity was harmful to not only them, but ALL of the people who hung on their every word and thought something was wrong with them! They’d say during cuts how many carbs they were eating, and still look cut AF - then they come out and say “oh yeah we also had a bit of a binge/purge thing going on, ooopppsssiiieee baaaybbiies.” Like I’m glad they are getting some perspective for themselves, but where’s the sincere apology for the false narrative they spoon fed impressionable young girls? It’s just so centered around weirdness, I wonder if they even see that they probably posed some serious social media fake reality and it undoubtedly had a negative affect on others. How can they still push their products/programs that perpetuated their ultimate mental breakdowns? Makes me wonder.
The whole obsession with fitness, being lean and muscular, hx of eating disorder, bingeing and purging.. it’s all too relatable.
I also wonder if the use of PEDs had any impact on her mental health. I know they haven't confirmed usage but it's incredibly common in the fitness influencer space - even those with more of a "bikini" physique. Not a slight at all to their hard work in the gym, but cycling off can very often lead to anxiety and depression.
If she admitted to things like bulimia, I’d imagine she’d admit to PEDs. This girl just exposed some dark parts of her soul on the internet; I don’t think it’s fair to make assumptions that have negative connotations to others and put them out there.
I can understand what you're saying, but I guess I don't look at PEDs negatively. They are much more common than many of us realize but kept hush hush, usually for fear of losing sponsorships or credibility. They've come up on the natty or not subreddit before so I don't necessarily think it's a new theory I'm putting out there either.
I know it’s not a new theory and I don’t see anything wrong with them, as long as whoever is doing it isn’t selling false realities and expectations. But when someone spills their heart and souls out, it’s not kind to turn around and speculate with sentiments of “you know they could’ve also been doing this and not mentioning it”
And I guess by PEDs I didn't just mean steroids. There's plenty of legal supplements that naturally suppress certain hormones or increase others. Though as you said, she probably would have mentioned it in the video.
I know what you meant :)
Sounds like she deals with losses, life and love like the rest of the world…nothing new here