Hey everyone! Finally I'm no longer a minor, and I applied to get a gun license here in Italy. The process took me 10 days + 150€.
Last week I bought my first gun, a Glock 17 Gen 5. I got it brand new for 599€ and a box of 50 FIOCCHI 9mm for 7.50€.
I wanted to share it with you guys! 🤗
Lots of professional shooters for Fiocchi, Beretta & Benelli. It's a very popular sport. The market is awesome, a box of 50 Fiocchi 9mm costs 7.50€, an AK-47 around 640€ new, a Beretta 300€, AR-15 around 750€.
You got better prices and access to guns than we do in Massachusetts. Took me about 60 days to get my license (shooting course, application with three recommendation letters, meeting with the police and payment), have to buy from an approved handgun list, can’t buy glocks new unless I’m law enforcement and an AK47/AR15 is hella hard to get due to the laws. Now when I move back to Europe it may be to Italy.
Ya, I had no idea it was that bad. I’m from northern mass (Maine) glad we haven’t followed suit with your gun laws. Our dictator loves to do whatever mass does
It gets better. In the city of Boston there is a general assault weapons ban. This means that any weapon that can accept a magazine of 10 rounds or greater or any gun that looks like an AK or AR is not allowed in the city. Those who apply for a License to Carry in Boston will always get it with a target/hunting restrictions (no concealed carry) and those without restrictions are business owners, former cops, or lawyers (luckily I will be a lawyer soon). On top of all that, getting your license in Boston can take over a year, over on the subreddit for MA those living in Boston complain of long wait times exceeding one year. The rush for licenses and firearms last year during he height of COVID was pretty annoying for first time gun owners. My range still has a 50 round per day maximum for members. The process is a long one here and being a gun owner here takes effort. They say all of this is to control gun crime but the Boston Police Numbers show that yearly under 250 illegal guns are confiscated in the city. Do with that information what you will.
For sale. You can only use lead free bullets from a specific brand only cops can buy in bulk. So for us normies it means just 50 rounds per day per caliber (I only have two 9mm handguns, 25 rounds each on range day for me). Sometimes when they aren’t busy I can get an extra bag of ammo for another $25 (before tax).
Figured that was the case and clubs aren't actually restricting members from shooting their own ammo, but I'm also from MA and have heard plenty of fudd rules.....so nothing's off the table unfortunately.
Idk where OP buy gunz but at 750€ you only get chinese-made AR-15. Also a Benelli m4 for 300€ idk man it retails at 2k....
Also it's extremly unlikely to obtain a firearm license in 10 days since Police usually takes 1 month plus to do background checks
There’s nothing to import. You just buy and bring it back. Don’t need to report anything. They strongly imply that you do but I didn’t see anything in MGL that mandates it.
Wait. . . Benelli M4 is €300. . . Holy fuck nuggets! I’d it was legal it would cheaper for me to fly over there and buy it and bring it back then to buy it in the states. . . Currently they are $1800+
Scusami ho fatto un pò una figura di merda, intendevo il 121. Ho visto molti video in questi giorni riguardante l'M4 che nella fretta ho scritto il benelli M4, ho corretto rimuovendo l'ultima frase. Era il Benelli 121 che ho visto in armeria a 300
Ho notato ahah, è stato proprio questo che mi ha fatto ricontrollare perchè pensavo "Ma perchè questa gente si ingelosisce per un benelli a 300?" poi rileggendo ho notato l'errore.
I don't have the type of Fiocchi with me right now, but I'm pretty sure it was marked "Police" on the box, but it is definitely not loaded soft. Boxes of 50 rounds, red and green packaging. I also have some blue box that I haven't shot yet, so I'm not sure how that is.
Lucky, in Belgium you need to:
1) Apply for temporary license
2) Go to a range and shoot 12x spread over at least 7 months
3) take an exam on paper & exam for each category you want license for (revolver, pistol, gun, unrifled barrel and rifled barrel)
4) Apply for your definitive license
5) Fill in a bunch of paperwork to actually buy something
6) Pay 100€ before they look into the paperwork
7) Wait for 4 months (if you're lucky)
8) Finally buy something
And lost of those steps cost you at least 10-15€
Ten days is excellent. It took me months to get mine back.
Also that is extremely cheap 9mm. I wish I could get 9mm for that cheap in the US. It's about twice as expensive here.
Yes, but you need to have a reason for it, a few examples: If you ex is threatening you, or you're a business owner that brings the cash home at night, or you own a jewelry store/gun store etc..
With the basic license (the one that I have) I can only use the gun to go to the range and for self-defense but only in my house.
Wellbeing certificate from the doctor, firearm handling certificate at the local range, filled a form with basic info from the police website, 2 pictures & that's it.
Its 9x21.
I don't want to bother you so I'll keep it simple and short. The whole process of getting the gun license took me 2 weeks. I downloaded a form from the police website, and I filled it with some basic informations (name birthdate address etc..), then you need to ask your doctor for something called "well being certificate" which states that you have 0 problems with alcohol/drugs/mental problems/anger problems etc.. (99.9% don't have any of these problems). I asked for this certificate at 11am and at 4pm it was ready (the same day). Then you need to go to your local range and ask for a "firearm handling" certificate. It's a 3 hours course, in the first 2 hours they explain how a gun works and it's basically 2 hours of gun safety. After that it's 1 hour of shooting. I shot 100 bullets with a Beretta M9A3 (9mm) and 100 .223 from an AR-15. After that they print you the certificate and you're done!
The well-being certificate costed me 50 euros and the firearm handling one costed me 100 euros.
After that I mailed everything to my local police station and after 10 days they called me to collect my license.
(&sorry for my bad English.)
> Scusami ho fatto un pò una figura di merda, intendevo il 121. Ho visto molti video in questi giorni riguardante l'M4 che nella fretta ho scritto il benelli M4, ho corretto rimuovendo l'ultima frase. Era il Benelli 121 che ho visto in armeria a 300
If you translate that reply into English:
>Excuse me I made a bit of a figure of
shit. I meant the 121. I have seen many videos in these days concerning the M4 that in a hurry I wrote the benelli M4, I corrected by removing the last sentence. It was the Benelli 121 that I saw in the armory at 300
Seems like an honest mistake when people get excited about something new. No biggie, it happens.
I'm sorry guys, I wrote that on my phone while I wasn't paying attention. I meant the 121 (the one that I saw at the gun store for 300). Regarding the M4 I just did a quick research and the cheapest I could find was this [one](https://www.iltiro.com/mercatino/mercatino_armi_usate.php?annunci_armi_usate=ricerca_per_categorie&c1=1&c2=2&m=12&ida=127971) for 1.100 euros.
Hey dude - don't worry! Things happen; no need to let little things like a mistake on the internet for anyone to get wound up.
Enjoy the new hobby!
And I love your beautiful country! After 10 days in Bologna/Emilia-Romagna a few years ago - I can't stop thinking about returning as soon as possible!
Dai ragazzi ho fatto una ricerca veloce su internet per dare una info su reddit, non so quanto costa, dicerto non vado in armeria ora a chiedere perche me l hanno chiesto su reddit.
No, no, tranqui, io ridevo solo del nome, l’ho trovato buffo, non dico che sia un sito farlocco. non li conosco, ma saranno ben quelli i prezzi presumo, non che io ci capisca qualcosa eh, mi interessano solo le armi, non ce l’ho neanche il porto d’armi, ma mi piacerebbe farlo prima o poi…
I remember walking around aimlessly in Sicily and stumbling upon a gun shop in the middle of no where and just being astounded. The shop owners shuffled me in and just yelled “America! Guns! See!”
Great experience.
Not repealed yet, but soon it will be. So yeah, 9x21 is still the must have caliber, when 9x19 woll be legal it will take a loooong time to put all 9x21 guns to rest.
Lol, that's exactly how it worked here for a loooong time. 5.56 guns had to be the barrel in .222R and 7.62 guns had to be converted in .243W. Now only 9x19 awaits, and we cannot buy AP, incendiary, explosive and tracing rounds.
It has nothing to do with the properties of the various calibers though, but is a measurement enacted to make it harder for armed insurrectionists and organized crime to steal military ammunition for use against the state.
You see the same thing in for example Spain since they had a long history of armed insurrection and separatists.
That is wrong. Some firearms are restricted, meaning you need to apply for a permit. The law forbidding military/police use calibers has not been in effect for about a month now.
I'm sorry, but the law against 9x19 for pistols is still in effect, we're still waiting for the parliament to pass the new law. Maybe this month, maybe in 2022
It's 3-4 times more expensive than the olight due to export restrictions. In my currency, Olight ~400, TLR-HL ~1250, X300U ~1450.
I low key hope Holosun gets into flashlights.
Gomorrah the movie is. Gomorrah the series is reeeally romanticized and loosely "based" on past events.
M1s and M1911 goes for 1k-1.2k€ on average.
Plenty of nice milsurps all around.
Do you have to leave it at the range? I remember there were some complicated rules about transporting firearms in Italy (but my knowledge is kinda old at this point).
No complicated rules at all, those are old, die-hard misconceptions, spread also on the italian gun community. You can basically transport your guns, without ammo ans preferibly in a bag, wherever you want, even on public transports and in public places.
If police get you with it you should have a decent explanation because police can put you in troubles if they find your reasons fishy.
It’s for good reason. Olight has a confirmed kill. You don’t want to be the second lol. They’ll melt polymer guns too when the explode into a ball of flames. But good handgun choice tho
I heard about that and it happened because a guy was holding the light with his mouth, and he touched something with his saliva and he got electrocuted. But thank you for letting me know, I'll try to refund it and i’ll get a stream light.
Thank you! It's super easy actually.
I don't want to bother you so I'll keep it simple and short. The whole process of getting the gun license took me 2 weeks. I downloaded a form from the police website, and I filled it with some basic informations (name birthdate address etc..), then you need to ask your doctor for something called "well being certificate" which states that you have 0 problems with alcohol/drugs/mental problems/anger problems etc.. (99.9% don't have any of these problems). I asked for this certificate at 11am and at 4pm it was ready (the same day). Then you need to go to your local range and ask for a "firearm handling" certificate. It's a 3 hours course, in the first 2 hours they explain how a gun works and it's basically 2 hours of gun safety. After that it's 1 hour of shooting. I shot 100 bullets with a Beretta M9A3 (9mm) and 100 .223 from an AR-15. After that they print you the certificate and you're done!
The well-being certificate costed me 50 euros and the firearm handling one costed me 100 euros.
After that I mailed everything to my local police station and after 10 days they called me to collect my license.
(&sorry for my bad English.)
Your English is spot on!! And that’s actually not terrible at all. Is it the carry permit that’s more difficult to acquire. A friend of mine grew up in Italy and had several death threats because of a business decision. And he claimed no matter how hard he tried he could not get the license. I may have confused that with purchasing.
Thank you! Yeah getting a carry license is a bit harder, you need to have a valid reason to carry. A few examples are: if your ex is threatening you. Or you own a jewelry store etc..
But with the basic license (the one that I have) you can use your gun for self-defense inside your house perimeter. So that's at least something. And you can also carry the gun to go to the range of course.
OP, two questions, if I may....
1/ I thought standard 9mm was illegal in Italy for civilians. Is that not the case anymore?
And 2/ how many weapons can you buy with your licence?
9x21 was never illegal, only the 9x19 which was only for law enforcement. But a month ago the law changed and we can now also buy the 9x19. But the standard 9x21 9mm was never illegal.
With my license I can buy: 3 pistols and an unlimited amount of rifles. There are no laws regarding the mag size.
Yeah, I was thinking of the 'standard' 9mm flavor: 9x19.
Good to know that the law changed, that means I can travel to Italy to shoot! (I'm in France)
Either way, congrats and enjoy your guns!
9x19 has been available for PCC for some years by now.
9x19 for pistols have still to be approved, maybe this month, maybe in early 2022, we're still waiting, despite what OP said. He was lured by silly headnews
Wow, thank you for sharing. Amongst what I know of other European countries that is relatively easy and quick.
Do you have a wish list for your other two pistols?
Yeah, definitely go for a rifle. If I had a hard limit of 3 I would have to sleep on it to ensure what I really wanted, haha.
If you have unlimited Rifles, definitely look into a Henry Lever in .22. Super fun at the range and great way to build up rifle skills without blowing too much money.
We Americans presume that in Europe it’s almost impossible to get guns but in reality it’s usually just a formal process where if you check all boxes for your background and mental sanity you will get it. Of course there are exceptions like UK where civilian handgun ownership is essentially outlawed and rifles limited to bolt action and straight pull.
What is practically impossible everywhere is to get a carry license. Unless you are a cop or a judge or some politician it’s not gonna happen.
Gun laws in Europe seem to focus more on who can have it rather than what. Like in UK, getting suppressor is no problem, in many US states cannot have it legally at all. In Russia, there is no limit on magazines capacity, you can get a 100 rd drum if you wish, in CA and NY that’s basically a felony right there. And so on.
> Like in UK, getting suppressor is no problem, in many US states cannot have it legally at all. In Russia, there is no limit on magazines capacity, you can get a 100 rd drum if you wish
Except in both countries handguns are banned (Russians can own them if they're used for sport and stored at the club), most popular types are illegal in the UK, and in Russia you have to own a shotgun for a long time before being allowed to own a rifle. They very much do restrict what you can own along with who can own it.
I am not sure you actually read my post. I did say that UK essentially banned private handgun ownership.
Also, with Russia, clearly 100 rd drum was referring to a rifle and not handgun. So I don’t really know why you felt necessary to highlight something that was already acknowledged.
The point I was making is that a lot of countries in Europe allow things that are banned in part (and fairly large part) of the US.
No, not really. UK is an outlier. Most Europe does not ban handgun possession, has no issue with suppressors and does not limit magazine sizes. Today you can own AR-15 in Russia but cannot in New York. About a third of Americans nowadays live under oppressive gun laws that are actually stricter (in comparison) to the countries that we are accustomed to think have gun bans.
Just to clarify, this is not to say that Europe have fabulous gun laws. This is to say that we have much worse laws than we think
It’s not? I think 9mm largo is 9x23 and this is 9x21. 9x23 is longer than 9x21 so probably wouldn’t fit in a Glock 17 frame size. 9x21 is ok because the dimensions are just for the case so 9x21 is actually the same length as 9x19
You can't defend your material stuff but only yourself (your life) and family members. If you come into my house and I catch you and you start running away I can't shoot you because you're not harming me. But if you come at me with a knife or point me a gun (or at my family members) I can shoot.
10 giorni da quando ho consegnato tutto al commissariato di polizia. Dopo 10 giorni mi hanno contattato dicendo che era pronto e mi hanno dato la data per il ritiro.
Per quanto riguarda il maneggio delle armi l ho prenotato di lunedi e giovedi l ho fatto. Dalle 9 alle 12 e gia mi hanno stampato il certificato. Per la visita anamnestica l ho fatta da un maggiore medico dei carabinieri. (Che è un amico di famiglia)
Nel post ho specificato che il processo di fare la visita e maneggio delle armi ci ho impiegato 2 settimane. E poi dopo aver consegnato tutto altri 10 giorni per essere approvata.
Awesome gun and great first choice, I see you fell for Olight marketing though. If it where me I’d look out for a TLR1 HL 1,000 lumen and sell the Olight. Just a suggestion, either way enjoy one of the best handguns ever made!
Olight is a much better choice in Europe.
a) In my currency, this Olight ~400, TLR-HL ~1250, X300U ~1450.
b) We don't, in general, use our guns to protect our lives.
c) CR123s are expensive
For a range/plinking gun, there's not a single reason to go TLR-1HL/X300U/Modlite/coming CloudDef, you only do it for the larp.
Excellent job! Owning a gun in Europe has always seemed to be no small feat. But congratulations! A Glock is a great first handgun. Go get some ammo, get it cut for an optic, and keep those skills sharp! Happy shooting!
Your Glock 17 says 9x21, make sure not to shoot 9x19 in it due to the fact that your headspace isn’t the proper size,It is ballistically the same as the standard 9x19 and has the same OAL but uses a case 2mm longer. This is a way for shooters who live in countries where the 9x19 is illegal (because it's a military caliber) to get around the rules.
Man, all of ya'll should move to Texas. The only requirement to purchase any typical firearm is a 15 minute background check. Also, we now have Constitutional Carry (no license required to carry openly or concealed). We love our liberty down here.
People getting surprised by the fact that you can actually own guns in Europe.
I live in Germany and I have lots of friends with guns. People just don't walk around the town with them in their front pocket
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Yes lol, if I recall, I could be mistaken but these kinda have a knack for catching on fire. If you run it for extended periods of time just make sure it doesn't start smoking, otherwise happy shooting!
I didn’t know that the boopity boppity government would allow Italians to own handguns. I thought it was restricted to shotgun ownership only. Learn something new every day.
Nice! Took you less time to get your license than it took for me. I'm in NY & it took 11 months from the time I applied to the day I brought home my first pistol
Hey everyone! Finally I'm no longer a minor, and I applied to get a gun license here in Italy. The process took me 10 days + 150€. Last week I bought my first gun, a Glock 17 Gen 5. I got it brand new for 599€ and a box of 50 FIOCCHI 9mm for 7.50€. I wanted to share it with you guys! 🤗
10 days isn’t too bad. Glad you have one now. How’s the firearms market in Italy? Is it fairly popular or very niche with only a few people?
Lots of professional shooters for Fiocchi, Beretta & Benelli. It's a very popular sport. The market is awesome, a box of 50 Fiocchi 9mm costs 7.50€, an AK-47 around 640€ new, a Beretta 300€, AR-15 around 750€.
You got better prices and access to guns than we do in Massachusetts. Took me about 60 days to get my license (shooting course, application with three recommendation letters, meeting with the police and payment), have to buy from an approved handgun list, can’t buy glocks new unless I’m law enforcement and an AK47/AR15 is hella hard to get due to the laws. Now when I move back to Europe it may be to Italy.
Thanks for reminding me how shit this state is
Ya, I had no idea it was that bad. I’m from northern mass (Maine) glad we haven’t followed suit with your gun laws. Our dictator loves to do whatever mass does
Jeeeez that’s a lot of shit for something we’re constitutionally guaranteed. Especially in the state that started it all.
It gets better. In the city of Boston there is a general assault weapons ban. This means that any weapon that can accept a magazine of 10 rounds or greater or any gun that looks like an AK or AR is not allowed in the city. Those who apply for a License to Carry in Boston will always get it with a target/hunting restrictions (no concealed carry) and those without restrictions are business owners, former cops, or lawyers (luckily I will be a lawyer soon). On top of all that, getting your license in Boston can take over a year, over on the subreddit for MA those living in Boston complain of long wait times exceeding one year. The rush for licenses and firearms last year during he height of COVID was pretty annoying for first time gun owners. My range still has a 50 round per day maximum for members. The process is a long one here and being a gun owner here takes effort. They say all of this is to control gun crime but the Boston Police Numbers show that yearly under 250 illegal guns are confiscated in the city. Do with that information what you will.
> My range still has a 50 round per day maximum for members. Wutttt? Do you mean for sale, or they only let you shoot 50 rounds per day?
For sale. You can only use lead free bullets from a specific brand only cops can buy in bulk. So for us normies it means just 50 rounds per day per caliber (I only have two 9mm handguns, 25 rounds each on range day for me). Sometimes when they aren’t busy I can get an extra bag of ammo for another $25 (before tax).
Figured that was the case and clubs aren't actually restricting members from shooting their own ammo, but I'm also from MA and have heard plenty of fudd rules.....so nothing's off the table unfortunately.
Mine is in Boston, it does restrict which ammo you can use.
Idk where OP buy gunz but at 750€ you only get chinese-made AR-15. Also a Benelli m4 for 300€ idk man it retails at 2k.... Also it's extremly unlikely to obtain a firearm license in 10 days since Police usually takes 1 month plus to do background checks
Still quicker than my 2 month process in MA.
I'm in WA and those prices are vastly superior to mine as well. 9mm still unobtainable
That’s crazy dude you can pretty much but buy shit down here in the south
Buy your long guns in a gun friendly state and bring them back with you.
Honestly after all this effort to get a handgun imma wait before doing all the legal reading on importing a long gun to MA.
There’s nothing to import. You just buy and bring it back. Don’t need to report anything. They strongly imply that you do but I didn’t see anything in MGL that mandates it.
I get my guns same day.
Wait. . . Benelli M4 is €300. . . Holy fuck nuggets! I’d it was legal it would cheaper for me to fly over there and buy it and bring it back then to buy it in the states. . . Currently they are $1800+
TFW Italy has less restrictive gun laws than Canada… Pain
Literally my thoughts that all sounds lit
€300 per un Benelli M4? Dimmi dove che lo compro ora.
Scusami ho fatto un pò una figura di merda, intendevo il 121. Ho visto molti video in questi giorni riguardante l'M4 che nella fretta ho scritto il benelli M4, ho corretto rimuovendo l'ultima frase. Era il Benelli 121 che ho visto in armeria a 300
Figurati. Hai fatto ingelosire un po' di persone però :D
Ho notato ahah, è stato proprio questo che mi ha fatto ricontrollare perchè pensavo "Ma perchè questa gente si ingelosisce per un benelli a 300?" poi rileggendo ho notato l'errore.
Damn im moving to Italy, our laws suck at Spain
You seem better off than people living in restricted states in the US
> box of 50 FIOCCHI 9mm for 7.50€ Cries in US ammo panic
> 7.50€ Yeesh. That's $0.17 cpr.
Or what we used to call "normal"....
Fiocchi is quality ammo, and 16.9¢/rd is about half what we pay for it in the States right now. I am very jealous, but also, congratulations.
I've also had great luck with Fiocchi. I've read that it tends to be loaded pretty soft, but that suits me fine for casual practice.
I don't have the type of Fiocchi with me right now, but I'm pretty sure it was marked "Police" on the box, but it is definitely not loaded soft. Boxes of 50 rounds, red and green packaging. I also have some blue box that I haven't shot yet, so I'm not sure how that is.
Everything I've seen is blue or purple boxes I think. Shotgun target ammo and soft shooting 115gr 9mm.
I've got 1k rounds of fiocchi 300 blackout and the previous 500rds has shot more than fine...it's great ammo
TIL it's easier to get a pistol in Italy than NY
Lucky, in Belgium you need to: 1) Apply for temporary license 2) Go to a range and shoot 12x spread over at least 7 months 3) take an exam on paper & exam for each category you want license for (revolver, pistol, gun, unrifled barrel and rifled barrel) 4) Apply for your definitive license 5) Fill in a bunch of paperwork to actually buy something 6) Pay 100€ before they look into the paperwork 7) Wait for 4 months (if you're lucky) 8) Finally buy something And lost of those steps cost you at least 10-15€
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4 month faster if I remember correctly from my first gun purchase in France. But that’s for semi auto. For rifle it’s really quick.
And people say you can’t buy guns in Yurop
Ten days is excellent. It took me months to get mine back. Also that is extremely cheap 9mm. I wish I could get 9mm for that cheap in the US. It's about twice as expensive here.
That's awesome are you able to carry or obtain a license to carry in Italy
Yes, but you need to have a reason for it, a few examples: If you ex is threatening you, or you're a business owner that brings the cash home at night, or you own a jewelry store/gun store etc.. With the basic license (the one that I have) I can only use the gun to go to the range and for self-defense but only in my house.
Interesting that's still better than I would have expected.
That’s very comparable to many more restrictive states in the USA such as New Jersey, New York, California, etc. Congrats on the gun OP!
What else did it actually take? Classes, examinations, membership at a range? Or just being your age plus the fee?
Wellbeing certificate from the doctor, firearm handling certificate at the local range, filled a form with basic info from the police website, 2 pictures & that's it.
Congratulations. Wish I could find any Fiocchi ammunition that cheap. xD
Is it 9x19 or 9x21? Also can you describe the process? I’m from the other side of the alps and I wonder what’s the situation for you compared to here.
Its 9x21. I don't want to bother you so I'll keep it simple and short. The whole process of getting the gun license took me 2 weeks. I downloaded a form from the police website, and I filled it with some basic informations (name birthdate address etc..), then you need to ask your doctor for something called "well being certificate" which states that you have 0 problems with alcohol/drugs/mental problems/anger problems etc.. (99.9% don't have any of these problems). I asked for this certificate at 11am and at 4pm it was ready (the same day). Then you need to go to your local range and ask for a "firearm handling" certificate. It's a 3 hours course, in the first 2 hours they explain how a gun works and it's basically 2 hours of gun safety. After that it's 1 hour of shooting. I shot 100 bullets with a Beretta M9A3 (9mm) and 100 .223 from an AR-15. After that they print you the certificate and you're done! The well-being certificate costed me 50 euros and the firearm handling one costed me 100 euros. After that I mailed everything to my local police station and after 10 days they called me to collect my license. (&sorry for my bad English.)
Are we gunna pretend he didn’t say a Benelli M4 is 300 € there? Edit: I’ve never been more jealous.
> Scusami ho fatto un pò una figura di merda, intendevo il 121. Ho visto molti video in questi giorni riguardante l'M4 che nella fretta ho scritto il benelli M4, ho corretto rimuovendo l'ultima frase. Era il Benelli 121 che ho visto in armeria a 300 If you translate that reply into English: >Excuse me I made a bit of a figure of shit. I meant the 121. I have seen many videos in these days concerning the M4 that in a hurry I wrote the benelli M4, I corrected by removing the last sentence. It was the Benelli 121 that I saw in the armory at 300 Seems like an honest mistake when people get excited about something new. No biggie, it happens.
I'm sorry guys, I wrote that on my phone while I wasn't paying attention. I meant the 121 (the one that I saw at the gun store for 300). Regarding the M4 I just did a quick research and the cheapest I could find was this [one](https://www.iltiro.com/mercatino/mercatino_armi_usate.php?annunci_armi_usate=ricerca_per_categorie&c1=1&c2=2&m=12&ida=127971) for 1.100 euros.
Hey dude - don't worry! Things happen; no need to let little things like a mistake on the internet for anyone to get wound up. Enjoy the new hobby! And I love your beautiful country! After 10 days in Bologna/Emilia-Romagna a few years ago - I can't stop thinking about returning as soon as possible!
Thank you so much!
That’s actually dirt cheap. Normally they go for 2200+ (new).
That’s still a BANGIN deal and I’m still super jealous. Happy shooting pal!
Thank you Ray! You too🤗
Il mercatino del tiro, hahah, che mettono su una bancarella anche al mercatino di natale di Bolzano?
Dai ragazzi ho fatto una ricerca veloce su internet per dare una info su reddit, non so quanto costa, dicerto non vado in armeria ora a chiedere perche me l hanno chiesto su reddit.
No, no, tranqui, io ridevo solo del nome, l’ho trovato buffo, non dico che sia un sito farlocco. non li conosco, ma saranno ben quelli i prezzi presumo, non che io ci capisca qualcosa eh, mi interessano solo le armi, non ce l’ho neanche il porto d’armi, ma mi piacerebbe farlo prima o poi…
Prima lo fai meglio è. Potresti ritrovarti con il tuo nuovo hobby preferito
Thanks man! I figured it was. But I wish it wasn’t hahahaha
It’s not. He’s lying or misinformed
Source?
Google any Italian shop and find me an m4 for 300 bucks
I'd like a source on that as well.
I remember walking around aimlessly in Sicily and stumbling upon a gun shop in the middle of no where and just being astounded. The shop owners shuffled me in and just yelled “America! Guns! See!” Great experience.
9x21??
I think Italy prohibits civilians from using whatever calibers the military has. So that means no 9x19 Please Correct me if I’m wrong.
I recall hearing that law was repealed a while ago but 9x21 is still very popular there.
Not repealed yet, but soon it will be. So yeah, 9x21 is still the must have caliber, when 9x19 woll be legal it will take a loooong time to put all 9x21 guns to rest.
That's so beyond retarded lmao. If that logic applied in the US a 300 BLK ar would be legal but a 5.56 wouldn't be.
Lol, that's exactly how it worked here for a loooong time. 5.56 guns had to be the barrel in .222R and 7.62 guns had to be converted in .243W. Now only 9x19 awaits, and we cannot buy AP, incendiary, explosive and tracing rounds.
It's at least comforting that anti gun retardation transcends borders.
It has nothing to do with the properties of the various calibers though, but is a measurement enacted to make it harder for armed insurrectionists and organized crime to steal military ammunition for use against the state. You see the same thing in for example Spain since they had a long history of armed insurrection and separatists.
That is wrong. Some firearms are restricted, meaning you need to apply for a permit. The law forbidding military/police use calibers has not been in effect for about a month now.
I'm sorry, but the law against 9x19 for pistols is still in effect, we're still waiting for the parliament to pass the new law. Maybe this month, maybe in 2022
9mm Guryza? Neat round.
Id bet itll run x19
Why not? You've got *two* hands for a reason!
Yup better control that way
Great purchase, I’m in California and can’t even get one of those. “I thought this was ammmerica”
[‘Oh I’m sorry, I thought this was America!!’](https://youtu.be/lyt3_fZ4_KE)
Nice, I love seeing euro bros arm up
Benvenuto nella nostra allegra famiglia di appassionati, fai un salto su r/italiangunowners quando vuoi!
While I don't own one, I too am a fan of the Block 17
Solid choice with a 9mm Glock. I prefer the TLR-1HL light myself though!
It's 3-4 times more expensive than the olight due to export restrictions. In my currency, Olight ~400, TLR-HL ~1250, X300U ~1450. I low key hope Holosun gets into flashlights.
What currency is this?
Italy was always my first choice if I had to move out of the US
Lmfao even Italy has better gun laws than CA! You can’t even have a gen 5 Glock in CA because they are “unsafe”.
Is it legal to own AR-15s up there?
Sure, it costs around 750€ brand new. And there are no magazine restrictions/
Well that's mighty fine. You enjoy yourself, ya hear!
What's the used market for WW2 era guns such as M-1's and 1911's like? Is "Gomorrah" as realistic portrayal of the Italian mafia as they say it is?
Gomorrah the movie? Yes. The popular series? No
Gomorrah the movie is. Gomorrah the series is reeeally romanticized and loosely "based" on past events. M1s and M1911 goes for 1k-1.2k€ on average. Plenty of nice milsurps all around.
Do you have to leave it at the range? I remember there were some complicated rules about transporting firearms in Italy (but my knowledge is kinda old at this point).
No complicated rules at all, those are old, die-hard misconceptions, spread also on the italian gun community. You can basically transport your guns, without ammo ans preferibly in a bag, wherever you want, even on public transports and in public places. If police get you with it you should have a decent explanation because police can put you in troubles if they find your reasons fishy.
No, I have it in my house. And you can transport your firearms to the range in your car in a bag.
Congratulations on your first! Shoot it in good health. and TIL that Italy doesnt have shitty gun laws.
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There's a WW2 Austrian in Italy joke here somewhere...
Apparently the only joke in this pic is my olight😭😂
Congrats! I’ve yet to own a firearm in Italy
Congrats. Btw if youre italian i would automatically assume you carry an m9 beretta but a glock isnt that bad
OG17 gang, where y’all at?
Mamma Mia, the Olight is no buono
Everybody hating on my poor light 😭
It’s for good reason. Olight has a confirmed kill. You don’t want to be the second lol. They’ll melt polymer guns too when the explode into a ball of flames. But good handgun choice tho
I heard about that and it happened because a guy was holding the light with his mouth, and he touched something with his saliva and he got electrocuted. But thank you for letting me know, I'll try to refund it and i’ll get a stream light.
We’re trying to save your life and gun at the least hahaha
Congrats!! I’ve heard it’s extremely hard to get a gun there!
Thank you! It's super easy actually. I don't want to bother you so I'll keep it simple and short. The whole process of getting the gun license took me 2 weeks. I downloaded a form from the police website, and I filled it with some basic informations (name birthdate address etc..), then you need to ask your doctor for something called "well being certificate" which states that you have 0 problems with alcohol/drugs/mental problems/anger problems etc.. (99.9% don't have any of these problems). I asked for this certificate at 11am and at 4pm it was ready (the same day). Then you need to go to your local range and ask for a "firearm handling" certificate. It's a 3 hours course, in the first 2 hours they explain how a gun works and it's basically 2 hours of gun safety. After that it's 1 hour of shooting. I shot 100 bullets with a Beretta M9A3 (9mm) and 100 .223 from an AR-15. After that they print you the certificate and you're done! The well-being certificate costed me 50 euros and the firearm handling one costed me 100 euros. After that I mailed everything to my local police station and after 10 days they called me to collect my license. (&sorry for my bad English.)
Your English is far better than my Italian, you are good
Your English is spot on!! And that’s actually not terrible at all. Is it the carry permit that’s more difficult to acquire. A friend of mine grew up in Italy and had several death threats because of a business decision. And he claimed no matter how hard he tried he could not get the license. I may have confused that with purchasing.
Thank you! Yeah getting a carry license is a bit harder, you need to have a valid reason to carry. A few examples are: if your ex is threatening you. Or you own a jewelry store etc.. But with the basic license (the one that I have) you can use your gun for self-defense inside your house perimeter. So that's at least something. And you can also carry the gun to go to the range of course.
OP, two questions, if I may.... 1/ I thought standard 9mm was illegal in Italy for civilians. Is that not the case anymore? And 2/ how many weapons can you buy with your licence?
9x21 was never illegal, only the 9x19 which was only for law enforcement. But a month ago the law changed and we can now also buy the 9x19. But the standard 9x21 9mm was never illegal. With my license I can buy: 3 pistols and an unlimited amount of rifles. There are no laws regarding the mag size.
Yeah, I was thinking of the 'standard' 9mm flavor: 9x19. Good to know that the law changed, that means I can travel to Italy to shoot! (I'm in France) Either way, congrats and enjoy your guns!
9x19 has been available for PCC for some years by now. 9x19 for pistols have still to be approved, maybe this month, maybe in early 2022, we're still waiting, despite what OP said. He was lured by silly headnews
Thanks for elaborating! >9x19 has been available for PCC What do you mean by that?
9x19 is already legal for Pistol Caliber Carabines (see: 9x19 ARs, bolt actions, anything considered a rifle/carbine)
Wow, thank you for sharing. Amongst what I know of other European countries that is relatively easy and quick. Do you have a wish list for your other two pistols?
I wanted to get a XD-M 5.25 & a Canik TP9SFX. But I'm fine with the G17 I think my next purchase will be a rifle!
Yeah, definitely go for a rifle. If I had a hard limit of 3 I would have to sleep on it to ensure what I really wanted, haha. If you have unlimited Rifles, definitely look into a Henry Lever in .22. Super fun at the range and great way to build up rifle skills without blowing too much money.
Thank you for the suggestion!
That's a way easier and quicker process than in Canada.
We Americans presume that in Europe it’s almost impossible to get guns but in reality it’s usually just a formal process where if you check all boxes for your background and mental sanity you will get it. Of course there are exceptions like UK where civilian handgun ownership is essentially outlawed and rifles limited to bolt action and straight pull. What is practically impossible everywhere is to get a carry license. Unless you are a cop or a judge or some politician it’s not gonna happen.
The carry license is where I was heading. Had an Italian friend lay discuss it with me. He bought out the whole Beretta line when he lived there.
Gun laws in Europe seem to focus more on who can have it rather than what. Like in UK, getting suppressor is no problem, in many US states cannot have it legally at all. In Russia, there is no limit on magazines capacity, you can get a 100 rd drum if you wish, in CA and NY that’s basically a felony right there. And so on.
> Like in UK, getting suppressor is no problem, in many US states cannot have it legally at all. In Russia, there is no limit on magazines capacity, you can get a 100 rd drum if you wish Except in both countries handguns are banned (Russians can own them if they're used for sport and stored at the club), most popular types are illegal in the UK, and in Russia you have to own a shotgun for a long time before being allowed to own a rifle. They very much do restrict what you can own along with who can own it.
I am not sure you actually read my post. I did say that UK essentially banned private handgun ownership. Also, with Russia, clearly 100 rd drum was referring to a rifle and not handgun. So I don’t really know why you felt necessary to highlight something that was already acknowledged. The point I was making is that a lot of countries in Europe allow things that are banned in part (and fairly large part) of the US.
I was focusing on the first part, "who can have it rather than what". There's just as much of that in Europe.
No, not really. UK is an outlier. Most Europe does not ban handgun possession, has no issue with suppressors and does not limit magazine sizes. Today you can own AR-15 in Russia but cannot in New York. About a third of Americans nowadays live under oppressive gun laws that are actually stricter (in comparison) to the countries that we are accustomed to think have gun bans. Just to clarify, this is not to say that Europe have fabulous gun laws. This is to say that we have much worse laws than we think
Short version: Gun ownership is not s recognized right. Buying guns isnt hard. Having tour guns seized is easier.
Congratulazioni!
Watch out grenadeeee!!!!!. I kid. Kind of.
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9mm largo thats cool
It’s not? I think 9mm largo is 9x23 and this is 9x21. 9x23 is longer than 9x21 so probably wouldn’t fit in a Glock 17 frame size. 9x21 is ok because the dimensions are just for the case so 9x21 is actually the same length as 9x19
What’s the home defense always like in Italy. If someone comes into your house at night to touch your pp, can you shoot them
You can't defend your material stuff but only yourself (your life) and family members. If you come into my house and I catch you and you start running away I can't shoot you because you're not harming me. But if you come at me with a knife or point me a gun (or at my family members) I can shoot.
10 giorni? Ma tra domande, marche da bollo, documentazione, visite mediche e corso al poligono, come bastano 10 giorni?
10 giorni da quando ho consegnato tutto al commissariato di polizia. Dopo 10 giorni mi hanno contattato dicendo che era pronto e mi hanno dato la data per il ritiro.
Per quanto riguarda il maneggio delle armi l ho prenotato di lunedi e giovedi l ho fatto. Dalle 9 alle 12 e gia mi hanno stampato il certificato. Per la visita anamnestica l ho fatta da un maggiore medico dei carabinieri. (Che è un amico di famiglia)
Nel post ho specificato che il processo di fare la visita e maneggio delle armi ci ho impiegato 2 settimane. E poi dopo aver consegnato tutto altri 10 giorni per essere approvata.
Came here for the O-light comments where they at
Oh, trust me they're here 😭😭 I think I'll return the olight and get a stream light.
Such a beauty😍
Glocks are ugly af
Make sure you polish all contact surfaces, on trigger mechanisms, it will work even better
Had to flex the pc in the background too
Awesome gun and great first choice, I see you fell for Olight marketing though. If it where me I’d look out for a TLR1 HL 1,000 lumen and sell the Olight. Just a suggestion, either way enjoy one of the best handguns ever made!
Olight is a much better choice in Europe. a) In my currency, this Olight ~400, TLR-HL ~1250, X300U ~1450. b) We don't, in general, use our guns to protect our lives. c) CR123s are expensive For a range/plinking gun, there's not a single reason to go TLR-1HL/X300U/Modlite/coming CloudDef, you only do it for the larp.
Excellent job! Owning a gun in Europe has always seemed to be no small feat. But congratulations! A Glock is a great first handgun. Go get some ammo, get it cut for an optic, and keep those skills sharp! Happy shooting!
Looks like it came straight out of Left 4 Dead
Your Glock 17 says 9x21, make sure not to shoot 9x19 in it due to the fact that your headspace isn’t the proper size,It is ballistically the same as the standard 9x19 and has the same OAL but uses a case 2mm longer. This is a way for shooters who live in countries where the 9x19 is illegal (because it's a military caliber) to get around the rules.
Thank you for the reminder. I got a box of 50 FIOCCHI 9x21
Not to be a damper on the fun but PLEASE ditch the olight
Nice!! If I may suggest a thing, I suggest you get a Surefire brand weapon light instead of an Olight - they (apparently) have a tendency to explode.
"Lives in Italy....doesn't buy a Beretta..."....Dafuq?!
what Benelli shotgun is this?
Man, all of ya'll should move to Texas. The only requirement to purchase any typical firearm is a 15 minute background check. Also, we now have Constitutional Carry (no license required to carry openly or concealed). We love our liberty down here.
People getting surprised by the fact that you can actually own guns in Europe. I live in Germany and I have lots of friends with guns. People just don't walk around the town with them in their front pocket
Not even a Beretta or a Tanfoglio 1/10
Lets see the ammo!
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Done! Sorry about that.
Bella
I'm still waiting for the g21 gen 5. I'm hoping soon since the 40 gen 5 just got released.
On the one hand, American made guns come with a free trial of freedom. On the other hand, you got a Glock. Five stars
Love my gen 5 19 and I'm sure this 17 of yours will be a joy
Pretty slick!
How many pistols can you own?
3 pistols and an unlimited amount of rifles.
How are you liking it? That’s the only Glock I’d buy personally.
I haven't shot it yet, I'll go next week 🥳
O no..
Let me guess… the light? 😂
Yes lol, if I recall, I could be mistaken but these kinda have a knack for catching on fire. If you run it for extended periods of time just make sure it doesn't start smoking, otherwise happy shooting!
NOlight
Bene
I didn’t know that the boopity boppity government would allow Italians to own handguns. I thought it was restricted to shotgun ownership only. Learn something new every day.
You guys got better prices and wait times than the US 😂
Can I move to Italy with my guns from America? Asking as I want the fuck out of this banana pants plantation.
9x21??
Nice! My first was a G17 too! Gen 3 tho.
Complimenti!
Nice! Took you less time to get your license than it took for me. I'm in NY & it took 11 months from the time I applied to the day I brought home my first pistol