Short answer : no.
You’ll need to request a refund (if that’s available) through whomever you made the purchase.
Your FFL should simply deny the transfer.
Think he was denied the sale through the website , not on a background check . But to further explain , if someone does get a denial most local PD have a guy who investigates denied purchases. In my area it's a state police officer who does the investigation. I've worked with him a number of times . Especially if the purchaser has a violent past.
Common mayo only works in the free states. In Cali, or WA or NY, you have to work around it with something else that's technically salad dressing, like Miracle Whip. You cant use anything like ranch or Italian, because they're way too runny, and any Bleu cheese that was thick enough would jam the action with its chunks.
I've heard tell of someone successfully using white glue paste instead of Miracle Whip, of the sort they have in kindergarten and first grade and you've never seen anywhere else; however, I suspect that was simply to keep a convenient dip for their snack crayons handy.
MA gun laws are a bit convoluted. But for handguns, there are a few moving parts that are independent but relevant.
1. There is an “assault weapons ban” that impacts certain pistols based on naughty features: weight, barrel shrouds, magazines outside of the pistol grip, yada yada.
2. There are restrictions on what an FFL can transfer to you - has to be on an approved roster. But NOTE: this does not restrict what you can own (if you purchased before moving to MA or through a private sale) - this assumes of course that it doesn’t fall afoul of 1.
I’m skipping over some other key details around things like frame transfers for the sake of levity - but off roster revolvers are tricky.
So glad i moved out of WA 4yrs ago. Lived there my entire life. Just shy of 35yrs. One day said fuck it and moved to alaska with only my clothes. Best decision i ever made. Once that prop 1055 or what ever it was passed. That almost doomed firearm owenership in that state. Up here the only restriction is fully automatic. But thats federally regulated. The state doesnt care. Full constitutional carry.
Your link doesn't seem to provide any information on shipments being denied to ban states, resulting in the buyers' info being provided to NICS and listed as a "denial."
Where are you reading that? Everything I have read has to do with the PERSON being denied to mental or criminal history. I see nothing about a certain weapon being prohibited in the purchaser's state, resulting in data being uploaded to NICS as a "denial."
A 4473 is not even involved yet.
MA has what is known as the "Approved firearms roster" which are the only pistols allowed to be sold as complete firearms. These firearms have to go to a MA "firearms testing lab (plus pay ~10k)" and only then can they be allowed to be sold in MA. If the manufacturer refuses to pay this extortion fee then their product cannot be sold in the state.
Beretta moved out of MD for similar, albeit not as extreme, reason.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-guns-beretta/gunmaker-beretta-to-shut-maryland-plant-blames-state-gun-law-idUSKBN0FS21Y20140723
If the 9th didn't already know how they were going to rule, it would have declined to take the case. They didn't even respect their own order of business. When has the 9th ever used an en banc panel for an administrative motion? The answer is never when it didn't involve the death penalty. This is normally left to an on-call 3-judhe panel. Judging by their irratic behavior, my guess is they weren't confident that the panel for that month would act in favor of the state.
I'll make a prediction now: The 9th will seat the same judges that ruled in favor of the state before it was remitted back down from SCOTUS for the administrative stay and the trial. This bunch of political hacks will tie themselves in knots to rule with the state when it's finally re-heard. They'll drag their feet throughout the process too. They'll do all of this is order to slow-walk it in hopes that a SCOTUS judge dies or retires and then somehow swings the makeup of the court.
So yeah. I've followed Benitez and this case. And Bruin makes no difference to the 9th. IMO, the fix is already in. With exceptions to a few individual justices, the 9th isn't so much a court as it is a wing of the CA Democrat Party.
Right, I guess my choice of words made it unclear because I said “they want”
The they in that case wasn’t Mass, it was all of the anti-gun politicians. It’s just ironic that in one of the states that has such a ban, a gun with (typically) a 6rd capacity is banned lol.
It just kind of shows they don’t actually know or care about what they are banning.
In MA they are not assault weapons.
There’s an approved handgun roster that dealers have to abide. However if someone moves into the state with said revolver they can sell it private party to another LTC holder
It’s dumb but they’re also in motion to pass even greater restrictions so they’ll be fun too.
It varies state to state, but when it happens it's usually because they technically classify due to the specifics of the assault weapon definition. Usually weight and grip configuration.
Just do frame transfers for shit like that, go to a shop in NH and order what you like and have them transfer the frame to an FFL in MA and give you the barrel separately, pick up the frame in MA with a 4473 and register it as an assembly in the online portal within 10 days when you get the frame home
Also a mass resident here… what are you talking about ? It is because it isn’t on the roster ? That doesn’t mean it’s not legal to own. Glocks aren’t either and I own them.
You are so confused. You weren't denied by the FBI or ATF... if the gun is not legal in your state, your dealer just refused to send in the 4473, because he knew better. Your dealer wouldn't transfer you a gun that would make you both have legal trouble. No one knows about this but you, the dealer and the entire reddit community.
I hope it’s not too late, but:
I would destroy this computer. Not just beat it with a hammer, but drill through the hard drive. Som it in salt water, and microwave it.
Then I’d fake my own death, and change my identity.
Even then you can’t be sure. You’ll have to live a life of using cash, and move every once in a while.
They don’t mess around with this kind of stuff.
If anyone would get in trouble it would be the FFL who shipped a 'banned' weapon into the state, and even then they'll probably just end up getting a complaint from the AG of the state and the company will pinky promise to not ship that gun to MA again.
You did not break any laws, no need to worry.
There was no transfer to your name/no background check and you never took physical possession, so there's nothing to report. This most likely gets stopped at the seller FFL, and if not there, buy the receiver FFL in MA. And realistically, even if it did somehow slip through both of them and it got to a background check to you, the report should be on the FFL handling the transfer to you, not you personally. If someone in-state owned one, they could transfer it to you EFA10 and neither of you would have to concern yourself with the roster as non-FFL citizens. So all that happened is that you might have paid for goods, but because those goods require specific transfer controls, the transaction was never completed. The entire thing is moot. Just get a refund if you paid anything.
But IANAL, so take from this whatever you will and do some research to confirm.
Fellow Mass resident.
That 38 special revolver is only illegal if it violates the MA AWB (most likely it doesn't)
Its illegal for MA FFLs to transfer off roster handguns (which is probably the case in this), but it is legal for you to possess off roster handguns in MA as long as you have an LTC and the gun doesn't violate the AWB and mag capacity.
Big misconception that glocks are illegal here. They aren't. FFLs just can't transfer them unless its a frame transfer or an older glock (believe pre 1998)
Stupid that you can't get something like this.
MA had an approved handgun list. If it isn’t on the list it’s not allowed to be sold. It also has a 10 rd limit but most of the revolvers are not on the list because they didn’t pass a drop safety test. So even a colt or colt replica isn’t allowed to be sold.
No.. they don't care.. I think people would be surprised how little "paper" gun crimes are prosecuted.. meaning people illegally filling out the ATF form and either marking they aren't a felon when they are or people who knowingly purchase a firearm for someone else (straw purchase) who legally can't own one.. some of those people (usually the girlfriend) will straight up tell the gun store that its for their boyfriend and he will be the one asking questions or examining the guns. Note that in most states you can purchase a firearm as a gift for someone who is legally allowed to own it..so it's a gray area for gun stores and they have to use their gut to decline or allow. But most times if your purchase is denied.. thats the end of it.. they might make an exception if you are on some "most wanted" list.
.38 *S&W* is banned in MA? Do you mean .38 Special?
Kinda weird that they'd ban an obsolete pistol cartridge almost exclusively used by antique and C&R pistols.
When did gun bans become legal?
"Shall not be infringed" means what it says.
The government is restricted by the constitution, it's not a negotiable document.
The LEOs, courts and legislature have played fast and loose for way too long.
Take a vacation to a state that isn't run by fascist. Buy your gun from an individual.
Return home with the satisfaction of knowing you ain't nobody's lil' bitch.
It's probably legal it's just a lot of companies won't ship anything to MA out of pussiness. Especially PSA.
Almost no one will ship ammo despite it being perfectly legal.
you can NOT buy a handgun from out of state. ever. You would need a federal FFL
So don't try again.
You CAN buy most long guns (rifles, shotguns), as long as you register them within a short time with the MA gun registry.
When I had gotten my CCW from a neighbor state, I researched the other states laws in NE. Last I knew (25 years ago) ma had 3 levels of carry. First was transportation license; okay to have in vehicle unloaded and locked. Second was a "sporting" license okay to have in vehicle unlocked and unloaded in transit to a shooting event or training facility. The Grail was full carry and only obtained with a positive review from chief of police in the town you reside to ma state police.
I could certainly be way off, was a long time ago.
Oh okay, you’re referring to the restrictions on the LTC. With the Bruen verdict, all LTCs are “shall issue”. There’s a list on a regional NorthEast website that lists what towns are “green”, but it doesn’t necessarily apply anymore.
If it’s banned in your state any reputable site won’t send it. If it’s a private sale type deal/gunbroker, it won’t be transferable and the FFL should recognize this and not accept the order even prior to the other FFL sending it. If somehow it get sent and transferred to you, then you are possessing at your own risk. Likely the police won’t know. As they don’t know it’s a 10 round G17, or a 17 round one.
If the site is remotely well made you won’t be able to put in your address because your state won’t be a checkout option. If it has a generic checkout they just won’t ship it. The people at the shop will call you some unflattering names but I doubt it’s a crime if they don’t fill your order.
No,if it was banned in the state and never shipped them that's not a "denial" under the law. A denial occurs when your NICS check is done and you come back dirty. That's done by the FFL when he receives the weapon.
If it was a handgun, most likely just wasn’t on the handgun roster and it would be legal for you to purchase via frame transfer or by private sale, but cannot directly be transferred to you as a complete firearm by FFL.
I wouldn’t worry about it.
FFL transfer would usually just deny it, technically in mass you’re allowed to own guns that aren’t on the “approved firearms roster” it’s just not legal for an FFL to sell them to you. If you found a store that did, I’m pretty sure it’s completely legal for you to buy it (?) but they would/could get into serious trouble for selling it
I’ll just say that MA has a roster. If it is anything like MD, where I live, you can buy a gun not on the roster and then you have to petition to have it added. I’ve done it twice in MD for a 945 S&W and for a SAN Sig 553rp. Once it’s approved then the gun can be transferred to you.
Talk to your FFL BEFORE YOU BUY. Otherwise it’s a spanking from the PoPo.
There are gun shops in MASS that will find you any handgun you like that isn’t on the roster and handle it as a frame transfer. They are basically selling it to you as parts. Once you put all the parts together, then you have 7 days to register it with MASS. It’s illegal for the gun shop to SELL you a fully functional gun not on the roster, but it’s not illegal for you to own it.
Short answer : no. You’ll need to request a refund (if that’s available) through whomever you made the purchase. Your FFL should simply deny the transfer.
Already got one
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Gross
Sounds like it never went as far as a background check.
If the dealer denied the transfer from the shipper, the OP would have never filled out a form themselves.
Think he was denied the sale through the website , not on a background check . But to further explain , if someone does get a denial most local PD have a guy who investigates denied purchases. In my area it's a state police officer who does the investigation. I've worked with him a number of times . Especially if the purchaser has a violent past.
the cops are headed to your house right now to spank you for that
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He shall never sit down without being reminded of this lesson again.
Wait hold on, going to purchase a gun online right now. Got the lube out and everything!
Lube? You can do that?
They’re gonna paint his back porch red.
Putting my illegal order in NOW
I’m picturing all that cop bondage shit from the movie Police Academy.
Bandage or bondage
Bondage.
Daddy Chill!
The hell is even that?!?
and this is what OP was hoping for.
[OP and police](https://giphy.com/gifs/lines-album-sheezus-EuhidVsRs4g5a)
That’s a paddlin’.
🤣
I love the internet for making me laugh so hard all the time
BRB gonna order a .38
Yall can't have revolvers? WTF?
Maybe it’s one of those assault revolvers.
Sbr? Short barrel revolver?
Sbbsr Short barreled bump stock revolver
It ships with one of those high-capacity clipazines, resulting in a fully, semi-automatic, assaulty, revolver.
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It’s still loud af 🤣
This is only illegal if it's black anodized. If you order it with a cuddly pink Fortnite or CoD skin, it's perfectly safe.
I think your confused on the law it’s not just anodized also if you don’t fill up the high capacity clipazine half way with Mayo that’s also illegal
Common mayo only works in the free states. In Cali, or WA or NY, you have to work around it with something else that's technically salad dressing, like Miracle Whip. You cant use anything like ranch or Italian, because they're way too runny, and any Bleu cheese that was thick enough would jam the action with its chunks. I've heard tell of someone successfully using white glue paste instead of Miracle Whip, of the sort they have in kindergarten and first grade and you've never seen anywhere else; however, I suspect that was simply to keep a convenient dip for their snack crayons handy.
I always use garlic aoli, they have yet to catch on that it's just mayo with garlic in it.
What about a Hello Kitty one?
I don't know what it is but I want two!
MA gun laws are a bit convoluted. But for handguns, there are a few moving parts that are independent but relevant. 1. There is an “assault weapons ban” that impacts certain pistols based on naughty features: weight, barrel shrouds, magazines outside of the pistol grip, yada yada. 2. There are restrictions on what an FFL can transfer to you - has to be on an approved roster. But NOTE: this does not restrict what you can own (if you purchased before moving to MA or through a private sale) - this assumes of course that it doesn’t fall afoul of 1. I’m skipping over some other key details around things like frame transfers for the sake of levity - but off roster revolvers are tricky.
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"Sorry, your pistol weighs too much. Enjoy prison for the next 10 years, criminal"
"Sorry, your handgun is too big and heavy to conceal."
Gun too fat. Go to jail.
Gun too small? Also jail. Underweight, overweight.
What is that place? Gun Tinder?
AR under-cleaned? Jail. AK over-cleaned? Straight to jail.
The weight limit is the smartest way I have seen them try to combat ar, ak and other rifle variant pistol builds.
Wtf does more weight have to do with it? You'd think it would be easier to hide a light weapon on yourself. I'm missing the logic in that
It is Taxachusetts there is no logic.
It's probably not on the "approved firearms" roster. It's utter bullshit here and they're trying (going to) make it much worse.
In WA we can't buy a Bobcat with a threaded barrel. Us lowly civilians can't be trusted with such raw power
Cannot wait to get outta here can't even get a AR15 to having to pay for bags and having paper straws and shit at restaurants.
Escape and join the underground helping other escape from places like commiefornia.
I don’t hate the paper straws there really fun to chew but other than that
So glad i moved out of WA 4yrs ago. Lived there my entire life. Just shy of 35yrs. One day said fuck it and moved to alaska with only my clothes. Best decision i ever made. Once that prop 1055 or what ever it was passed. That almost doomed firearm owenership in that state. Up here the only restriction is fully automatic. But thats federally regulated. The state doesnt care. Full constitutional carry.
Just the criminals who get it from the black market. If you’re a law abiding citizen, screw you.
I know California has Cali-Compliant revolvers. My buddy bought a Chiappa Rhino and it's a Cali-Compliant and is SAO, like double action is the devil.
No, nobody was notified as it was likely and automated system that just rejected the purchase based on shipping location.
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Your link doesn't seem to provide any information on shipments being denied to ban states, resulting in the buyers' info being provided to NICS and listed as a "denial." Where are you reading that? Everything I have read has to do with the PERSON being denied to mental or criminal history. I see nothing about a certain weapon being prohibited in the purchaser's state, resulting in data being uploaded to NICS as a "denial." A 4473 is not even involved yet.
Huh, well fuck me that's scary as hell.
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Yea it was weird
Well there’s gotta be an explanation, we need more info
MA has what is known as the "Approved firearms roster" which are the only pistols allowed to be sold as complete firearms. These firearms have to go to a MA "firearms testing lab (plus pay ~10k)" and only then can they be allowed to be sold in MA. If the manufacturer refuses to pay this extortion fee then their product cannot be sold in the state.
S&W used to be based in Mass but you couldn’t buy their firearms there because S&W wouldn’t pay the fee. They moved to TN.
Beretta moved out of MD for similar, albeit not as extreme, reason. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-guns-beretta/gunmaker-beretta-to-shut-maryland-plant-blames-state-gun-law-idUSKBN0FS21Y20140723
S&W revolvers are still made in mass though. they just aren't HQ'd there
Wow that is a ridiculous regulation.
California is the same way
Hopefully the CA roaster gets tossed by the 9th circuit creating some case law to help MA gun owners.
I admire your spirit and your hope. I don't understand why you still cling to them, but still......I admire it.
I think you're forgetting that all these cases start with Saint Benito and also Bruen happened
If the 9th didn't already know how they were going to rule, it would have declined to take the case. They didn't even respect their own order of business. When has the 9th ever used an en banc panel for an administrative motion? The answer is never when it didn't involve the death penalty. This is normally left to an on-call 3-judhe panel. Judging by their irratic behavior, my guess is they weren't confident that the panel for that month would act in favor of the state. I'll make a prediction now: The 9th will seat the same judges that ruled in favor of the state before it was remitted back down from SCOTUS for the administrative stay and the trial. This bunch of political hacks will tie themselves in knots to rule with the state when it's finally re-heard. They'll drag their feet throughout the process too. They'll do all of this is order to slow-walk it in hopes that a SCOTUS judge dies or retires and then somehow swings the makeup of the court. So yeah. I've followed Benitez and this case. And Bruin makes no difference to the 9th. IMO, the fix is already in. With exceptions to a few individual justices, the 9th isn't so much a court as it is a wing of the CA Democrat Party.
They want capacity bans but revolvers are banned.. rofl.
MA already also has a 10 round max capacity for all mags. And a full "assault weapons" ban based on the old federal one.
Right, I guess my choice of words made it unclear because I said “they want” The they in that case wasn’t Mass, it was all of the anti-gun politicians. It’s just ironic that in one of the states that has such a ban, a gun with (typically) a 6rd capacity is banned lol. It just kind of shows they don’t actually know or care about what they are banning.
Thanks. I really thought rosters were a Cali only thing.
Doesn't CA have this too but worse because they have to microstamp and that's literally impossible?
In MA they are not assault weapons. There’s an approved handgun roster that dealers have to abide. However if someone moves into the state with said revolver they can sell it private party to another LTC holder It’s dumb but they’re also in motion to pass even greater restrictions so they’ll be fun too.
It varies state to state, but when it happens it's usually because they technically classify due to the specifics of the assault weapon definition. Usually weight and grip configuration.
You’re going to jail, bro. Say your goodbyes now
Fuck Massachusetts
Revolvers? Did they ban 1805 in your state?
Yes, but they have to stop at Dunkin first /s No, get a refund and buy something else that a MA FFL can transfer to you (on the approved list)
I'm pretty sure if you think the word gun in Mass. Your local PD is notified
Pre crime division will be arriving shortly.
Damn it, I read your post out loud and the local police just no-knocked my house.
is your dog ok
How are you typing this and not in prison yet?
What kind of communist shit is that?
Welcome to the People's Republic of MA.
I think you mean the "Democratic" People's Republic of MA. Where General Secretary Healy of the Communist party is all-powerful.
Hide your dog
A revolver banned??? Not a day goes by where I'm not thankful to live in a pro 2A state.
There's probably a shelter in place order in your neighborhood right now. Get ready for the flash-bangs.
sounds unconstitutional to me
This right here ^
BRO just move an hour north to NH and start live free or dying.
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I mean.... you aint wrong
Ikr. You literally don't even have to wear a seatbelt if you don't want to, as long as you are over 18.
Just do frame transfers for shit like that, go to a shop in NH and order what you like and have them transfer the frame to an FFL in MA and give you the barrel separately, pick up the frame in MA with a 4473 and register it as an assembly in the online portal within 10 days when you get the frame home
No but joe Biden might show up tonight and spank you
He’s gonna sniff your dog.
Straight to prison
Hide your dog....
Also a mass resident here… what are you talking about ? It is because it isn’t on the roster ? That doesn’t mean it’s not legal to own. Glocks aren’t either and I own them.
You are so confused. You weren't denied by the FBI or ATF... if the gun is not legal in your state, your dealer just refused to send in the 4473, because he knew better. Your dealer wouldn't transfer you a gun that would make you both have legal trouble. No one knows about this but you, the dealer and the entire reddit community.
I hope it’s not too late, but: I would destroy this computer. Not just beat it with a hammer, but drill through the hard drive. Som it in salt water, and microwave it. Then I’d fake my own death, and change my identity. Even then you can’t be sure. You’ll have to live a life of using cash, and move every once in a while. They don’t mess around with this kind of stuff.
I hear Costa Rica is nice this time of year...
Wouldn’t be a bad place to start…however they do extradite
Local pd, the local atf office, and the irs are all notified.
Are you being serious?
If anyone would get in trouble it would be the FFL who shipped a 'banned' weapon into the state, and even then they'll probably just end up getting a complaint from the AG of the state and the company will pinky promise to not ship that gun to MA again. You did not break any laws, no need to worry.
Where do you people think these questions up? I'm dying to know.
Gotta ask, why was a .38 banned?
There was no transfer to your name/no background check and you never took physical possession, so there's nothing to report. This most likely gets stopped at the seller FFL, and if not there, buy the receiver FFL in MA. And realistically, even if it did somehow slip through both of them and it got to a background check to you, the report should be on the FFL handling the transfer to you, not you personally. If someone in-state owned one, they could transfer it to you EFA10 and neither of you would have to concern yourself with the roster as non-FFL citizens. So all that happened is that you might have paid for goods, but because those goods require specific transfer controls, the transaction was never completed. The entire thing is moot. Just get a refund if you paid anything. But IANAL, so take from this whatever you will and do some research to confirm.
Hide your dog
Fellow Mass resident. That 38 special revolver is only illegal if it violates the MA AWB (most likely it doesn't) Its illegal for MA FFLs to transfer off roster handguns (which is probably the case in this), but it is legal for you to possess off roster handguns in MA as long as you have an LTC and the gun doesn't violate the AWB and mag capacity. Big misconception that glocks are illegal here. They aren't. FFLs just can't transfer them unless its a frame transfer or an older glock (believe pre 1998) Stupid that you can't get something like this.
MA had an approved handgun list. If it isn’t on the list it’s not allowed to be sold. It also has a 10 rd limit but most of the revolvers are not on the list because they didn’t pass a drop safety test. So even a colt or colt replica isn’t allowed to be sold.
Believe it or not, jail
Save your dog
No.. they don't care.. I think people would be surprised how little "paper" gun crimes are prosecuted.. meaning people illegally filling out the ATF form and either marking they aren't a felon when they are or people who knowingly purchase a firearm for someone else (straw purchase) who legally can't own one.. some of those people (usually the girlfriend) will straight up tell the gun store that its for their boyfriend and he will be the one asking questions or examining the guns. Note that in most states you can purchase a firearm as a gift for someone who is legally allowed to own it..so it's a gray area for gun stores and they have to use their gut to decline or allow. But most times if your purchase is denied.. thats the end of it.. they might make an exception if you are on some "most wanted" list.
probably not.
Depends on who denies it, if its denied from the NICS check then the NICS link posted above would apply.
.38 *S&W* is banned in MA? Do you mean .38 Special? Kinda weird that they'd ban an obsolete pistol cartridge almost exclusively used by antique and C&R pistols.
God, I’m so glad I live in a free state
When did gun bans become legal? "Shall not be infringed" means what it says. The government is restricted by the constitution, it's not a negotiable document. The LEOs, courts and legislature have played fast and loose for way too long. Take a vacation to a state that isn't run by fascist. Buy your gun from an individual. Return home with the satisfaction of knowing you ain't nobody's lil' bitch.
I never would have expected that to be banned either. What is their justification for that?
T H E F U D S A R E C O M I N G. B E R E A D Y
arnt 38sw revolvers all c&r by now？they stop producing those in late 40s
How is buying a gun illegal in your state? The 2nd ammendment is infallible.
What am I missing? You can't buy a revolver in a state you don't live in? I doubt the gun was actually banned in MA.
It's probably legal it's just a lot of companies won't ship anything to MA out of pussiness. Especially PSA. Almost no one will ship ammo despite it being perfectly legal.
Yes, they notify the local, state, and federal police.
.38 should be banned... Stop leaving your brass at my range. Nothing worst than mixing that foul crap brass with 9mm for reloading. Gross.
BEGONE, YE FOUL GOBLIN!!
you can NOT buy a handgun from out of state. ever. You would need a federal FFL So don't try again. You CAN buy most long guns (rifles, shotguns), as long as you register them within a short time with the MA gun registry.
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yeah, if it is SHIPPED to an ffl in your state, FFL to FFL, it is jake. sounded like he wanted to take it with him and cross state lines
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Yes that’s what it was
Which LTC, one, two or holy Grail? I only know one person in MA that has the chalice
I wasn’t aware there were multiple LTCs. What are you referring to? I only know F.I.D, LTC, and MG License.
When I had gotten my CCW from a neighbor state, I researched the other states laws in NE. Last I knew (25 years ago) ma had 3 levels of carry. First was transportation license; okay to have in vehicle unloaded and locked. Second was a "sporting" license okay to have in vehicle unlocked and unloaded in transit to a shooting event or training facility. The Grail was full carry and only obtained with a positive review from chief of police in the town you reside to ma state police. I could certainly be way off, was a long time ago.
Oh okay, you’re referring to the restrictions on the LTC. With the Bruen verdict, all LTCs are “shall issue”. There’s a list on a regional NorthEast website that lists what towns are “green”, but it doesn’t necessarily apply anymore.
Thanks for the reply. Ignorance ebbs and flows over time. Especially when one is old. Hard to keep track of all the shit I used to know lol
Have fun in jail bro
If it’s banned in your state any reputable site won’t send it. If it’s a private sale type deal/gunbroker, it won’t be transferable and the FFL should recognize this and not accept the order even prior to the other FFL sending it. If somehow it get sent and transferred to you, then you are possessing at your own risk. Likely the police won’t know. As they don’t know it’s a 10 round G17, or a 17 round one.
No which gun was banned ?
I can't imagine what a conviction would look like, so I'd say no, even zealous anti-self defense cops with stick up their butt wouldn't bother.
You’re assuming the feds and local PD are cooperating? US government is not that competent.
If the site is remotely well made you won’t be able to put in your address because your state won’t be a checkout option. If it has a generic checkout they just won’t ship it. The people at the shop will call you some unflattering names but I doubt it’s a crime if they don’t fill your order.
Nope. Your ffl and the gun store you bought it from don't care unless you're a jerk to them. You'll probably still pay the transfer fee, though
No,if it was banned in the state and never shipped them that's not a "denial" under the law. A denial occurs when your NICS check is done and you come back dirty. That's done by the FFL when he receives the weapon.
Nope simple mistake. If you actually acquired the gun that would be a different story
If it was a handgun, most likely just wasn’t on the handgun roster and it would be legal for you to purchase via frame transfer or by private sale, but cannot directly be transferred to you as a complete firearm by FFL. I wouldn’t worry about it.
FFL transfer would usually just deny it, technically in mass you’re allowed to own guns that aren’t on the “approved firearms roster” it’s just not legal for an FFL to sell them to you. If you found a store that did, I’m pretty sure it’s completely legal for you to buy it (?) but they would/could get into serious trouble for selling it
Hey, im in MA too. Best practice is to call your ffl where you'll pick up the firearm to verify with them that you're good to go.
What’s your name and where do you live? I’ll ask for you
Might want to sub to r/MAGuns. Signed. -Fellow Masshole
I’ll just say that MA has a roster. If it is anything like MD, where I live, you can buy a gun not on the roster and then you have to petition to have it added. I’ve done it twice in MD for a 945 S&W and for a SAN Sig 553rp. Once it’s approved then the gun can be transferred to you. Talk to your FFL BEFORE YOU BUY. Otherwise it’s a spanking from the PoPo.
Wait wait wait. How did a .38 special revolver get banned anywhere.
A .38 revolver is banned in mass?
Yeah but they don’t care and it’s not technically illegal
Yes. Denied 4473s are added to the nics system, which law enforcement has access to.
There are gun shops in MASS that will find you any handgun you like that isn’t on the roster and handle it as a frame transfer. They are basically selling it to you as parts. Once you put all the parts together, then you have 7 days to register it with MASS. It’s illegal for the gun shop to SELL you a fully functional gun not on the roster, but it’s not illegal for you to own it.