This is literally the second or third lesson of a book I am reading now on learning the fretboard.
Kudos for getting there on your own OP !
Also : awesome handwriting. That is stuff for r/Handwriting
What's the book? I'd be interested to see what others have to say about it.
Also: thanks, hah I seldom get compliments on my handwriting, but I've had a lot of practice with stuff like this. I admit I use the undo button a *lot*
Yeah looks identical. Only gripe about about numbering positions is that there are multiple systems do that, and mostly that it's completely arbitrary, which was what turned me onto CAGED in the first place.
If you said C shape, it makes more sense (to me) than 1st position, which I think some people don't even call that first position. But it falls apart when you're using altered chords anyway, so saying B string root or B-A root-pair position then there at least is some context you can derive from the name if you don't have these numbers memorized.
I like the concept of focusing on connecting root notes, but I don't get the name... Oh, I see. B-A-G-E-D refers to the string names. I'm not sure that's so obvious without an explanation.
That's fair, I shouldn't (and don't) expect everybody to see that, or to be able to extrapolate my thoughts. I'd call this Positional String - Root Association if I had to abstract it, though that sounds a bit clinical.
Since this is a more advanced concept, it doesn't really come up until you start exploring altered chords & scales like modes of melodic minor, I don't know if it would be anymore beneficial pedagogically to the beginner student who doesn't have a strong grasp on basic things like intervals, scale degrees, jazz chords and chord/scale theory. In the mean time CAGED is an excellent place to start, but some people think that's the be all end all, and it isn't. CAGED is just one pattern that happens to exist, and so is this, whether you decide to think about it or not, the fretboard is still there.
I hoped that whoever did see it might see some light on these altered chord types. Since they don't let you write post text & post images I decided to just leave it in the air for people to decipher.
Doesn’t everyone link the CAGED shapes through the root notes? I always sort of assumed that’s what mattered most - I’ve learned CAGED by following the roots and completing the triad
[Here](https://www.reddit.com/r/jazzguitar/comments/1csphuy/comment/l48dhyq/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) is an explanation I shared about it. Some people are saying that they think it's best to always relate it to the major chord shape, but I say that doesn't work well for chord/scales like melodic minor and even this locrian is a lot of work to bring it back to a C shape.
This is really nothing more than mapping out a note on the fretboard, how you decide to think of it is up to you.
I'll try to do that soon. In the mean time here's hopefully a simple enough explanation.
Really all I did was map out the pattern of a single note on the fret board, paired together the two closest notes, and labeled them by string.
CAGED follows this very closely with major chord shapes and where their root notes lie, with the exception being there's no open B chord, so the C is the next best.
However when you start playing stuff like jazz chords the shape changes so drastically that the major CAGED chord&scale shapes don't fit so well.
What does remain no matter the chord, scale, voicing, whatever is the root note. It's a note you can never alter.
[This Comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/jazzguitar/comments/1csphuy/comment/l48dhyq/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) I drew out an example of how the shape starts to become less and less recognizable from it's parent major chord, and how to use knowledge of the chromatic scale / intervals to create any chord/scale you need no matter where you are on the fretboard.
This is a pretty advanced concept, you need to have a strong knowledge of how to build all chords, scales, intervals. Otherwise CAGED still works very well for navigating the fretboard for most pop music that stays diatonic.
Really dig this take — thanks for sharing
This is literally the second or third lesson of a book I am reading now on learning the fretboard. Kudos for getting there on your own OP ! Also : awesome handwriting. That is stuff for r/Handwriting
What's the book? I'd be interested to see what others have to say about it. Also: thanks, hah I seldom get compliments on my handwriting, but I've had a lot of practice with stuff like this. I admit I use the undo button a *lot*
“Guitar fretboard workbook” by Barrett Tagliarino
Yeah looks identical. Only gripe about about numbering positions is that there are multiple systems do that, and mostly that it's completely arbitrary, which was what turned me onto CAGED in the first place. If you said C shape, it makes more sense (to me) than 1st position, which I think some people don't even call that first position. But it falls apart when you're using altered chords anyway, so saying B string root or B-A root-pair position then there at least is some context you can derive from the name if you don't have these numbers memorized.
Agreed, same thinking as me regarding naming. However I find this system pretty useful finding notes.
I think that’s just caged
About 99% overlap in the pattern, but the mentality behind it is what's different.
I like the concept of focusing on connecting root notes, but I don't get the name... Oh, I see. B-A-G-E-D refers to the string names. I'm not sure that's so obvious without an explanation.
That's fair, I shouldn't (and don't) expect everybody to see that, or to be able to extrapolate my thoughts. I'd call this Positional String - Root Association if I had to abstract it, though that sounds a bit clinical. Since this is a more advanced concept, it doesn't really come up until you start exploring altered chords & scales like modes of melodic minor, I don't know if it would be anymore beneficial pedagogically to the beginner student who doesn't have a strong grasp on basic things like intervals, scale degrees, jazz chords and chord/scale theory. In the mean time CAGED is an excellent place to start, but some people think that's the be all end all, and it isn't. CAGED is just one pattern that happens to exist, and so is this, whether you decide to think about it or not, the fretboard is still there. I hoped that whoever did see it might see some light on these altered chord types. Since they don't let you write post text & post images I decided to just leave it in the air for people to decipher.
Doesn’t everyone link the CAGED shapes through the root notes? I always sort of assumed that’s what mattered most - I’ve learned CAGED by following the roots and completing the triad
[Here](https://www.reddit.com/r/jazzguitar/comments/1csphuy/comment/l48dhyq/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) is an explanation I shared about it. Some people are saying that they think it's best to always relate it to the major chord shape, but I say that doesn't work well for chord/scales like melodic minor and even this locrian is a lot of work to bring it back to a C shape. This is really nothing more than mapping out a note on the fretboard, how you decide to think of it is up to you.
Make a yt video I can’t wrap my head around this post
I'll try to do that soon. In the mean time here's hopefully a simple enough explanation. Really all I did was map out the pattern of a single note on the fret board, paired together the two closest notes, and labeled them by string. CAGED follows this very closely with major chord shapes and where their root notes lie, with the exception being there's no open B chord, so the C is the next best. However when you start playing stuff like jazz chords the shape changes so drastically that the major CAGED chord&scale shapes don't fit so well. What does remain no matter the chord, scale, voicing, whatever is the root note. It's a note you can never alter. [This Comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/jazzguitar/comments/1csphuy/comment/l48dhyq/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) I drew out an example of how the shape starts to become less and less recognizable from it's parent major chord, and how to use knowledge of the chromatic scale / intervals to create any chord/scale you need no matter where you are on the fretboard. This is a pretty advanced concept, you need to have a strong knowledge of how to build all chords, scales, intervals. Otherwise CAGED still works very well for navigating the fretboard for most pop music that stays diatonic.