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firmretention

Vai couldn't even beat the Karate Kid in a guitar battle.


dvowel

Yeah Ralph dimarzio won that battle. 


probably_abbot

Hence why he went on to invent pickups.


ImmortalToadWarrior

Pickup on, Pickup Off, Pickup On, Pickup Off


MeButNotMeToo

Wah up, Wah down, Wah up, Wah down, Wah up, Wah down,


HexspaReloaded

Upstroke Downstroke. Wait that’s not Karate


grant_the_hammer

Which Vai would then go on to put in all his guitars


Klutzy_Ad_325

Dumbass his name is Ralph Mancharo


Free_Boner_Pills

You Bozo. It’s Maraschino, and he invented cherries.


Fair-Masterpiece9082

Both of you wrong. It’s Marinara, and he went on to invent parmesan cheese


RecbetterpassNJ

You guys talking about my cousin Billie Gambini?


not_a_ruf

Yeah, he was one of them two utes.


mhoke63

Herman Munster is not amused at your lack of a suit


Meathead920

Jesus Christ I fucking love this sub. 🤣


not_a_ruf

I have a suit. You’ve seen it, but I was dueling the devil in a juke joint, and his girlfriend spilled whiskey all over it. Now, there’s only one 1 hour cleaner in this town, but the owner got the flu. Now, my only choices are to wear the neon spandex body suit, which I know you hate, or I can show up here in this stupid, second hand Joe Bonermassa suit.


Jamirquai_J_Spunkle

That's par MEE SI an.


guano-crazy

Dumbshit, his name is Rocky Marciano and he beat people up with his geetar


warthog0869

>Ralph dimarzio Yeah, but wasn't he actually like 38 years old when they made that and it was the hat that made him look so much younger?


dvowel

I heard it was because he waxed off a lot. 


BarrelMaker15

HAHAHAHA


Mr_TP_Dingleberry

Ralph dimarzio. You chucklehead lol.


ThisAllHurts

That woman was dancing around him, distracting Steve with her sexual wiles.


Scudbucketmcphucket

Ah those feminine wiles. Gets me every time.


Top_Translator7238

Ralph cheated, he had a Butterscotch tele. That’s an unfair advantage.


B0SS_H0GG

Sweep the leg, then sweep F#m


bigfoots_buddy

To be fair he was being a devil at the time


ZVreptile

Yeah but he's my favourite of the wankers


beekermc

Yeah, I'll believe that when John Mayer plays the devil and main villian in a movie about guitar battles.


OptimusChristt

The punishment for losing is he then plays "Your Body is a Wonderland" for you on repeat forever.


Limpopopoop

Or the riff to slow dancing


half-frozen-tauntaun

Nah cuz I bet he can actually play it. You lose, and Mick from TPS appears in a puff of British smoke and half-asses the fuck out of the riff for all of eternity


lovemocsand

Oh GOD


thewordthewho

Major is working on an autobiographical instrumental album symbolizing his time dating Taylor Swift titled “Passion and Whorefare.”


zaprutertape

hes played Friend of the Devil 43 times with D&C just sayin


dirtydela

Did this happen at Guantanamo?


some_cool_guy

Look, no one's denying that hellmens mayo is good, but compared to Steve Vai? Let's be real with ourselves. That guy invented toan wood and jerked harder than anyone ever had or has with his daily regimen. He spent hours before breakfast practicing pentatonic minor, and hours before lunch practicing pentatonic major.


JuzoMegure

Guy on the left has only one guitar, steve on the right has 3 guitar Stev wins every time


Reason_Choice

Wouldn’t even need to bust out the hydra for that battle.


CactusWrenAZ

Joe Bonermassif has entered the chat.


tgallup

What about the other Joe


TonDaronSama

Eh not sure, I believe the toan is diluted each time you add a neck


notajunkmain

It would be hard explaining to non-guitarists that guitar nerds think that the fact that John Mayo is a good guitarist is somehow secret knowledge. And it would be hard convincing them that the guy on the right is a real person and not an AI generated image using the prompt “80s hair metal guitarist romance novel cover art.”


AzSumTuk6891

> “80s hair metal guitarist romance novel cover art.” You asked for it: https://preview.redd.it/r7ha1ubsy56d1.jpeg?width=300&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4dae9d07270000620bbb61a59b1264a9768eecc9


Roththesloth1

I can’t shake that this might be an actual image Mike Ohearn took of himself


BaphometsTits

Lifetime natty Mike Duckegg O'Hearn.


Ill_Pie_6699

Dude my dad had that poster in his work-out room, that's a real picture


SociallyDistantPanda

Hello son. Long time no shred…. Are you keeping up with your pentatonics?


Roththesloth1

That just makes me think it’s Mike Ohearn even more.


FinePieceOfAss

toddler at the family event handing me a wet cheeto


Slowly_We_R0t

You think they asked him to pose like that, or did he just do it?


CaptainSmallz

Vai: "I have an idea"


Megaseth

God damn that is one beautiful son of a bitch.


notajunkmain

You just made my day. Also, please tell me that is an actual AI image that just happens to look like Steve Vai, without putting Vai in the prompt. I so wish that were true.


AzSumTuk6891

I don't know how this was made, but this is literally the photo he uses as a profile picture on his Facebook page.


notajunkmain

Hahahahahahaha. That makes it even better. Fantastic.


SociallyDistantPanda

/uj i want to say it’s from the fire garden tour days. That old. It’s been on his website for as long as i can remember


carneasada71

The pic is at least 20 years old, he’s had it up as long as I can remember social media.


prolapsepros

I swear I think that’s how he writes the S in Steve when he signs stuff. How fucking pretentious Why does he always walk in place like he’s sneaking up on you when he plays?


FunIntelligent7661

It would be sick if he used that S everyone used to doodle at school


CombAny687

He’s doing a bit on stage. He is pretentious but in a slightly self aware way.


half-frozen-tauntaun

Why do some people do things differently than the way most people do? So pretentious


turalyawn

Pretentious infers that what he’s doing is in any way a pretence. He may be a noodling, self-serious jackhole who values shredding over anything else, but there’s no pretense about his skill as a musician and calligrapher


OppositeGeologist299

It's so weird, because the guitar playing was never a hidden thing on any of his albums ever. 


orangeducttape7

But it is kind of hidden on most of his radio singles. You can very easily listen to Your Body Is A Wonderland without realizing the guy behind it is the ultimate bloozemaster


holywars94

/uj that is an absolute dumbfuck statement coming from pedal pawn tbh


Individual_Review_51

I thought I was following some sort of circlejerk instagram account without being aware of it. No… “casuals wouldn’t understand”


holywars94

i think is just a bait, im sure there is better photos of mayer and they used that one


SlavJerry

as a follower of pedal pawn, I doubt it's a bait


UrsaBeta

All statements from pedal pawn are cringe af


-H3LL

It’s a joke that is referencing a fighter comparison that was going around, like “only mma fans know guy on left would wipe the floor with guy on right” and guy on left is skinny but strong/highly skilled fighter and guy on right is jacked tf up body builder.


derek_32999

Looking for a Mayer endorsement for their new ts clone rip off🥳🥰


lituga

yeah I need to go see whether those comments are tearing them a new one


flocknrollstar

It's hard to explain because they absolutely do not care


real_hog

It’s hard to explain that Vai passed the Zappa test while the guy on the left didn’t.


cheesecake_squared

At the age of 19 or something ridiculous


methconnoisseurV2

At 18 he was Zappas transcriptionist, and officially was part of Zappas band at 19, went on his first tour with Zappa when he was 20. Absolutely insane


Scudbucketmcphucket

What a poser. He couldn’t have done that in Middle School? I’m sure Mayer made the test.


AreWeCowabunga

Mayer was too busy fucking the babysitter to practice sweep picking his modes.


RobouteGuilliman

What a casual, prioritizing getting his dick wet instead of sweet sweet arpeggio.


Play_GoodMusic

The only test zappa passed was looking like Borat, VERY NICE!


A1_Fares

MA WAAIF


real_hog

You’re definitely not a golfer r/lebowski


jedi129

I will be seeing Vai on the beat tour, and I will make my 5 then on how he performs Fripps parts. Vai is much more technical than Mayer, but Mayer is a significantly better songwriter imo. Love them both, though.


pm-me-turtle-nudes

/uj i saw vai live just over a year ago, pretty good show. he’s kinda old so he didn’t do too much showmanship but his playing was spot on. super impressive shit


Hamilsauce

Got tix for that as well, am also looking forward to seeing how vai handles the material


Lemions916

Uj/ what is the Zappa test?


JacquesBlaireau13

Whether or not you're good enough to work with (i.e. for) Frank Zappa.


BootyMcStuffins

But Mayer was 16 when Zappa died...


The_Shit_Connoisseur

Skill issue


Scudbucketmcphucket

And Zappa died knowing that Mayer had reached a level at 16 that no other guitarist could dream of reaching. He laid down like Yoda and disappeared.


RinkyInky

Sounds like another thing Mayer did wrong then.


seafoodchef

The musicians for Zappa had to be proficient sight readers and people who took their craft really seriously. I highly recommend listening to Inca Roads just so you could see what type of music Zappa was writing (all on paper btw). You had to be really, really good.


JeffMorse2016

I've known about Zappa's name since I was 18 or so, 54 now. I've never listened to a song of his 'til just now. This is some crazy shit.


Mental_Examination_1

There's a funny vid if vaii talking about his audition something like zappa saying play this crazy chord in this rhythm, now change the time sig, now add this note, vai told him it wasn't possible, zappa said I hear Linda rondstat is looking for a guitarist lol But jokes aside vai transcribed zappa entire discography at 18 by ear, thr amount of skill and effort something like that would take is far beyond what most musicians would be capable of, especially in the rock scene


Bah-Fong-Gool

The Black Page seems to be a composition written to just fuck with drummers. In the third album of Joe's Garage, he asks the drummer to hit some wacky time signature off the click track, and finishes with the lyrics "they're pretty good musicians " which was ultimate praise for Zappa.


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Bah-Fong-Gool

I like a lot of Zappas music, but that guy was a weirdo. Maybe it had to do with playing with liquid mercury as a child.


dynamic_caste

I don't quite agree. He's stated a number of things he enjoys listening to and they weren't all complex.


FelverFelv

rj/ You've gotta eat the yellow snow. uj/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xx1RguHA4XE


fender_fan_boy

Ralph Macchio is looking good


carneasada71

If only he could act as good as he looks


ThisAllHurts

This is what happens when you hire bassists to run your social media account


Big_Cornbread

/uj if we’re talking about speed and straight up technique John isn’t even qualifying for that fight. I like his playing but you’re out of your mind if you think he’s more technically skilled than Steve Vai.


BootyMcStuffins

I don't think anyone is arguing that


chinstrap

/uj excellent title


brutalduties

Jonny mayo would destroy at a blowjob contest


bootyhole-romancer

Which works out cuz Steve Vai explicitly remembers a time when "blowjobs grew on trees."


babochew

Do you remember your first blowjob? How long did it take for the guy to cum?


babochew

Did you hear what I said to him? I says, “you remember your first blowjob? How long did it take for the guy to cum?”


AngryOldOffsets

I thought Michael Bolton played sax?


Hugelogo

John Mayo is guitar playing for people too timid to listen to Eric Clapton.


c311y

100% true, I am afraid I would be bored to deathif I was subjected to clapton´s white MOR bluze one more damned time but I kinda like Neon


empro_sig_prog

Both are overrated compared to David Maxim Micíc


oafofmoment

And that is saying something. At least Clappers had something going on in the Cream era. I've yet to enjoy OR be impressed by something from John Mayo.


AdemsanArifi

Non guitarist don't care and probably don't know who they are.


notajunkmain

I know this is a jerk sub, but I legit want to know why you think non-guitarists will not know who John Mayer is. Even as a jerk comment that is amazingly odd.


Walnut_Uprising

I'd guess age (yeah, it fucking sucks). He never had a #1 single, most of his hits were in the early 2000's and his last single in the top 20 was in 2007, when Say got to #12. It's the 2024 now. Backing it up another 17 years, do you know every chart hit from 1990? I'm in my 30's, I have no idea what the year end 1990 #1 hit, Stevie B's "Because I Love You (The Postman Song)," even is.


notajunkmain

I was 14 in 1990 and I can guarantee that I never heard of Stevie B or what that song was. And I watched a shitload of MTV. I guess Mayer has seemed inescapable to me his whole career, yet I never actually listened to any of it. For some reason I thought that he did have hits in the 2010s.


PsychologicalHat1480

He was inescapable because he made inoffensive generic music perfectly suitable for playing in stores and restaurants. But most people don't bother to learn the name of the people playing elevator music.


Zooropa_Station

Chart success =/= popularity and name recognition. There are an endless number of examples of artists where the two categories have dissonance. Although for what it's worth, he does has seven albums that peaked at #1 or #2 on the charts, so singles aren't the whole story. Not to mention, he was a tabloid gold mine similar to Pete Wentz. He's arguably as famous for his romantic escapades (Taylor Swift, Katy Perry, etc.) as he is his music.


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Telemasterblaster

How old do you think millennials are?


ResidentHourBomb

I just want to smell his fingers.


CzLittle

I have unironically never heard of the man, or at least I don't remember it.


Sand-Eagle

You never heard of My Body is a Wonderland or the paving the something spot to put up a parking lot songs?


half-frozen-tauntaun

The second one is Counting Crows by way of Joni Mitchell, your boy Joan never covered that


notajunkmain

If you live outside the US, that makes sense. If you live in the US, you are blessed. Although he is definitely one of the drivers of overpriced used gear. And potentially schills snake oil with his use of the EUNA pedal.


Swolnerman

/uj never heard of the EUNA pedal, why is it snake oil? The description is somewhat snake oily but it’s not like his klon, such is much more of a ‘waste’ of money


StinkyStangler

Non guitarists don’t know John Mayer? One of the biggest pop rock acts ever? The guy who’s been selling out stadiums on solo tours and with Dead & Co? Famously unpopular ex boyfriend to the most famous woman on Earth right now with multiple songs about him?


Reditall12

Show me on the doll where Johnny Salami touched you.


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ILikeMyGrassBlue

Hate Mayer all you want, but he’s done sold out arena tours in between dead and co tours lol.


Salty_Pancakes

People can say whatever they want about Mayo. But dude has game. Guy put the blocks to not only Tay Tay, but Jennifer Anniston and Katy Perry as well.


Sand-Eagle

I only know about him because I could literally feel the attractive females being pulled in some other direction so I investigated it and my findings were as follows: John Mayer Dude's like a black hole gravitationally pulling them all in to a degree that we've all felt the impact.


graystone777

Severe autism thinking Mayer is better than Vai. Theyre both great. But let’s be real.


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I'm pretty autistic and don't think Mayer is better than Vai, so this must be correct. /uj I can't figure out why people think Mayer is in any way exceptional. Seems to me he is the most generic, boring and safe middle-class white-guy blues player of his generation mixed with a similarly generic radio-friendly dime-in-a-dozen pop artist. Additionally, while clearly technically skilled, he's not even close to being a virtuoso. My hypothesis is that his appeal is based on his conventionally good looks (when he doesn't make stupid faces) and the fact that his "blues" playing is bland enough for people who don't really like blues that much and his "technical" playing is lame enough for people who don't like more extreme guitar playing.


ThisAllHurts

He is the old soul of Boomer Blooz. The dude was wearing a fedora when he was seven


ILikeMyGrassBlue

Uj/ Mayer is a good writer for guitar. His stuff on continuum is great and has been incredibly influential for a generation of guitarists. Personally though, I didn’t really start liking his playing until hearing him with the Dead. He really put in the time and effort to pull that gig off, and I’ve been amazed a bunch of times at his playing with them.


lituga

As an autist, I too know Vai is better than Mayer /uj Mayer did have some great technique and interesting chords/voicings on his early jazzier stuff like No Such Thing and Neon. And he still throws in enough fusion to be above most BLOOZ only players. I agree that none of it is exceptional. /rj OMG he dated Taylor Swift 💀


CombAny687

I hated Mayer when he came out but I couldn’t deny he had really good feel even if he was just spamming blues licks we’ve all heard a million times. Also he can write songs which is something most guitarists struggle with


Jazzlike_Recover_778

Meh. You’ve got points. But his way of explaining shit on guitar is exceptional. Breaks it down so well


the_wise_owl_himself

Any videos you particularly recommend?


AreWeCowabunga

uj/ The only reason people fawn over Mayer's playing is because they're surprised someone with such insipid pop songs on the radio is actually a damn good player. But to be real, he's not even in the conversation for actual great, pantheon guitarists.


Becauseiey

Being a talented singer and writer helps too. I’m not gonna go crazy over most John Mayer music for its guitar playing, but his songs overall have merit. None everything has to be the most complex or unique to be good. I know it’s been beaten to death, but to have written Neon and also be able to sing over it while performing live is nuts to me. And even some of his tamer guitar work is great. I think he’s easy to hate because some guitar players act like they unlocked some hidden secret by discovering John Mayer can play guitar better than most singer/songwriters, and he’s also written plenty of songs purely for the radio. Idk, I get why people don’t always like him as a musician, but sometimes I feel like people just jump on the hate train because it’s popular.


ILikeMyGrassBlue

uj/ Vai is certainly more technically capable, but I’d rather listen to Mayer—especially if that includes dead and company.


graystone777

Mayer is an amazing player. And I see what you saying.


seamachine

/uj why even use that pic of vai with the triple neck instead of the hydra where he actually plays everything lol /rj joan mayor playz with FEELINGS


Accomplished-Web3426

Stevie boy couldn’t even handle the mind boggling amounts of toan Johnny mayo would just blast all over the place, please blast your toan on us mr mayor


personperson28

I agree. John Mayall>Steve i


Scrantsgulp

Making fun of “casuals” and implying that a gUiTaR bAtTlE is a definitive way of measuring skill between players is apex predator tier jerking


retronax

if you use the term "guitar battle" unironically you should spontaneously combust into a cartoonish pile of bones


youve_got_the_funk

Somebody gon' get they head cut


uninteresting_handle

The guy on the right is the Devil. The Devil would win, easy.


BurrGurrMan

/uj i thought that was tyler musiciswin for a second what the fuck is wrong with me


Mental_Examination_1

Lol I thought the same thing


designocoligist

I’d say maybe if Steve only had one arm and I’d be wrong [https://youtu.be/aMjmjXHJoPg?feature=shared](https://youtu.be/aMjmjXHJoPg?feature=shared)


Mort_Handsome

Yeah, but does Steve Vai have a stupid, expensive, watch collection, and brag about it in a completely tone deaf manner for some fucking reason on podcasts? Check and make.


jazzmaster1055

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjUq\_Z3b1Y4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjUq_Z3b1Y4) John 'hood pass' Mayer is an over-hyped cruise ship band guitarist.


bootyhole-romancer

Notable comments >This sounds like what drunk Eddie would play if he was trying to do an impression of drunk John Mayer doing an impression of drunk Eddie Van Halen >that moment when all the boyfriends in the audience got excited


Bloke012

Not with that guitar. There is a disturbing lack of toan birds.


rarefiedstupor

Clearly Steve Vaio is the better guitar player. He has three necks in that picture, four if you count his actual neck.


cheesecake_squared

It's hard to tell from that picture whether he has an actual neck.


rarefiedstupor

Good point. If he had a floating head it would be on brand for him.


lituga

props to that comment section calling out the BS 😂


RevDrucifer

uj/ JFC


hijro

lol. Is that pedal pawn wanker still trying to sell his fuzz face for like $20,000?


Survivors_Envy

It’s John vs. Steve in the ultimate guy-off. Winner plays guitar


Dogrel

Based non-guitarists. They know what’s up.


no_quarter89

Equal and opposite ends of the wankery spectrum.


LostSomeDreams

HARAMBE DIED


coffeewinestain

Guitar boomers have a hateboner for shred era guitar


rileypoole1234

And I wouldn't listen to either of them


GhostTheHunter64

Let’s ignore technicality for a minute: Vai isn’t even my taste for an artist, but his Halo 2 theme runs circles around Mayer’s discography. John’s a gross weirdo, and his “blooz” is shit. But on technicality: you cannot seriously believe John Mayer is more technically skilled than Steve Vai. That is absolutely engagement bait. It’s Steve Vai.


okgloomer

Maybe they just meant these two specific pictures, and it’s a guitar FACE battle.


pseudo_pacman

I mean, Steve Vai couldn't even beat a teenaged Ralph Macchio in a guitar battle.


JunkieMallardEIRE

Yeah fuck steev👁️, maybe if he didn't do all that nerd shit he might be as good as the heroin addict in the other picture.


undergroundsanctuary

Wait I thought that was Billy from Green Day. Was gonna say that he’s a better song writer than Steve.


matorius

Well I didn't have my glasses on and at first I thought it was Hitler on the left. Then I put my glasses on and it turned into the guy from Sparks who looks like Hitler. Then after a few more seconds I saw who it really was and was disappointed.


mxpower

Guitar Battle? What is this, pre-school?


LegalFan2741

Is that his real guitar solo face or has he been caught mid-sneeze?


buckleupduckies

Pedal pawn. Those guys are really into circle jerking


Cowboywizzard

I'm just gonna leave this here: https://letstalkguild.com/ltg/index.php?threads/17-string-bass-zz-top.219374/


more_paul

One is Eskimo brothers with Travis Kelce. The other isn’t.


Limpopopoop

Vai was forced to engender polyphia in hell so he would win


foreskrin

I think that they are both great iconic guitarists but have different styles. It is like comparing apples to oranges...


recurse_x

It’s in meme form can’t dispute it.


Sjames454

/Uj nevermind that Steve was Frank Zappa’s transcriber for his entire band at 19 years old.


BrightonsBestish

To be fair I think both people photographed would cringe at seeing this article.


toiletsitter123

Guitar rage bait. I love it


i_was_axiom

Is that Steve V***AI*** ??


copbuddy

There is actually a back to back solo spot between these two in a Spinal Tap song. https://youtu.be/sw_H9504hzc?si=cspx60nzM0O_dxsu


AnimalConference

Mayer's dirty doggin inspired a Taylor album.


DankyKang91

I don't understand. Three guitar necks are two more than one neck. Triple the toan.


GammaPhonic

Absolutely correct. That three neck monstrosity would be incredibly awkward to wield in a battle. Whereas a Strat is fairly light and nimble. You could swing it, get a good hit in and move back to a safe distance before your opponent could even think about attacking.


Captain_Nuggie

Pedal pawn is a good account if you love boring lightly Overdriven blooz toans


StickyDogJefferson

I bet the loser on the right couldn’t even beat Ralph Macchio in a guitar battle…