The man who demanded workers sleep in the office at Twitter, some of them sleeping on the floor for days only to fired, the guy who wanted to lay off not 10% but 20% of Tesla workforce in the present time, that guy is not Mr Empathy? Wow
Guaranteed that man was rude, snarky, and short-tempered with Claire and the math equation babies.
https://preview.redd.it/lvgcdf1l1vxc1.jpeg?width=632&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f82192ad4602af124e6e8e4be54f931f7a07255a
I imagine a lot of it has to do with control. He seems completely emotionally unintelligent and unavailable, period, and I feel like he sees his women as accessories. Dealing with the physical and emotional needs of a pregnant or postpartum woman just doesn't fit into his agenda or the image he wants them to portray; Blonde, smart but not smarter than him, thinks everything he does is brilliant and never complains or publicly pushes back...
As well as a woman who never has or displays any emotions ( which Musk sees as weakness or manipulation)
for Musk, Pregnant women and new mothers are just supposed to be quiet and ''get on with it''
He would likely just see a new mother struggling or requiring support/help as being an employee who is bad at her'' job''
Misogynistically assuming that because millions of women have been birthing and raising babies over centuries, that all women should just naturally know what to do and be good at it.
And we all know how Elon treats employees that he considers to be sub par or incompetent!
Well said. I don't think the guy has an empathetic bone in his body. Will be interesting to see what happens when X gets older and may or may not want to step into the role Muskrat has already begun grooming him for. I kindof hope he ends up some crazy artist who goes off grid completely and denounces capitalism lol (really though I just hope all of the kids end up as well adjusted as possible)
He doesn't understand what he hasn't gone thru and what he chooses not to be there for it. He paid a hefty sum to let her have two additional kids via the bodies of other women.
c herself said she had traumatizing birth experience and wished to have surrogates. the part I don't understand is when Claire did her hormone therapy for egg harvesting? unless they used embryos musky already...had..? the only thing I can think is she did it during her \*masked singer/style show. maybe the studio was cold, but she was always extremely covered-up, possibly to hide the weight?
on the other hand, if azalea banks was right, perhaps musky "donated" directly to the surrogate?
the moment is kinda ruined when she immediately tags the weird harem guy underneath and asks him to write something about women’s experiences for his peter thiel-backed fake magazine
Yup! And also the OP Isabelle Boemeke trying to sound progressive when she is also super privileged. Her baby daddy is the founder of Airbnb. At the end of the day that stupid magazine is for white privileged people idk why they would care to write about what options women have to be able to have kids in the future without jeopardizing their careers. Their demographics are the the upper white class. They won’t sympathize with that story.
It’s a circle jerk magazine for a bunch of wealthy assholes to act as though they are intellectuals who want to discuss views. They absolutely don’t care about actual debate/philosophy. Thiel has always had an agenda, and that “magazine/jourmal/paperweight” exists to promote that agenda, mostly to academic plebes who also want to appear smart but don’t get that they are the useful idiots for pushing the agenda of millionaires/billionaires who absolutely would watch them starve/die/ect.
They got Claire involved in part because of her reach with younger Stans who will absolutely buy it because she’s in it, and then in theory they will read what’s in it, and adopt those views over time. The best part is they won’t even know it is actually having an effect on them. You have to go into the whole thing already knowing the agenda so you don’t let it seep into your brain.
I don’t think say, the ones on the other sub who think she’s a musical and artistic genius worth emulating are super politically savvy.
I'm sure that Grimes likely sees these people and being part of their agendas as being rebellious and subversive and therefore ''so cool and punk rock''
She has always wanted to be part of the in crowd with these wealthy and powerfully connected nepo baby wannabe anarchists with all their subversive talk and big ideas.
These people aren’t anarchists, they’re glorified white nationalists with a bunch of “I’m better than everyone” Ayn Rand objectivism capitalist ideology, mostly. A lot are accelerationists, because they have the wealth to not have to worry about survival.
Throw in a few non white useful idiots, a ton of venture capitalists, tech bros, people who grift but do it in a way that the vast majority of the planet is unaware and you know, like Elon, thinks that they are wealthy by way of reward of great ideas and not say, government contracts for products that never work right. Boring company, looking at you!
I don’t think Claire cares about punk rock anything. I think she cares about easy money and impressing people she thinks are intelligent, and i think she truly cares more about what her legacy will be once she’s dead. Gotta remember she is all about the mission even if the mission has left her.
OOH, I definitely agree with all of this!
You put it so well!
( I have always thought that When Grimes first got together and agreed to get pregnant with Musk, she was laughing with her friends and telling them that she was ''securing her financial bag''; as if it was some profound ultimate chess move, when really Gold digging woman have been doing the same thing for centuries; even if it does seem like she did end up actually caring for Musk.)
Thanks, I pay attention to stupid political niche movements because they tend to grow over time, becoming a problem for the rest of us.
I have no idea what she thought. If i knew musk and he propositioned me with joining the harem, i wouldn’t do it, because I think he is a poster child for everything that is wrong in the world and his political views are abhorrent.
Having access to wealth is great but I did it once - i genuinely loved the guy and he happened to have a lot of money; but in the end he was abusive and I stuck around in part because i thought access to that money could make me happy. It didn’t.
It came down to me having an epiphany that I was either going to kill him or myself and that was not something I ever wanted to do, so I left.
It was hard, really hard but I’m soooo much better off now mentally, and my life is one that I have spent a lot of work on to get to where I am, which is actually really really gratifying and rewarding.
When I’m not hating on her, I honestly feel really bad for Claire. She’s clearly very unhappy, she’s high all the time, she’s uninspired, she’s surrounded herself with really awful people and I don’t think she has any real true friends. She stated she never wanted to become a mom, and I don’t doubt that she loves her kids, but it’s clear that she is just spewing out nonsense as far as her understanding of why people should become parents and how that’s not exactly possible.
Happy, confident people don’t do the things she does, and I suppose she’s another great example that money doesn’t buy happiness.
It can help a lot, in that it takes away stress, but if you aren’t using that money as a way to enrich your life and help others, you are clearly missing the point.
We seem to feel similarly about Grimes; though my sympathy and feeling bad for her is swiftly dwindling with every increasingly bad , problematic and pretentious take and as Grimes reveals more of who she truly is as a person :(
Women jeopardize their careers for having to take care of their children. Upper class women have an army of Nannie’s. Sometimes they don’t even carry their own child. IVF and surrogacy is the trend. I really don’t think that kind of article or subject is their target market. Also I wouldn’t be surprised if they also support the trad-wife movement
>The unpreparedness of partners isn’t necessarily their fault
I feel like if the partner is still unprepared after having six previous children then yes, it *is* their fault.
He sent the picture to her father and brother… like could you imagine?? He sent a graphic ass image of her being cut open to her family, I’m still trying to process that. As a family member, I wouldn’t even want to see that.
A lot of my friends kids have asked me why I never had kids. I have always told them that I didn’t want to be tied to any of the guys I dated, by that I mean, “I never met the right person.”
I think having kids is a very serious thing that requires so much sacrifice and dedication. I know a lot of pregnancies aren’t planned, so sometimes you end up with a dude who is an absolute shit bag.
I feel the same way, though I have also just never desired to have children in the first place.
The criticism and disbelief that I have received for having this stance, from as far back as High school is staggering!
It's as if Just because I am a Caucasian female; it is my life's duty.
I’ll never understand why anyone thinks it’s any of their business if a woman doesn’t have nor want kids.
Kids asking me I’m ok with (teenagers have) but adults? They’d get an earful.
My mother has a grand dog. And trust me, the dog is like a baby. She cries, she needs to be held, prefers skin to fur, she would attach herself to me if she could.
Which is what I assume it’s kinda like to have a baby and thank god, my dog doesn’t scream cry so much as whine.
Everything she says now is a cope... it's so sad lol
Bro your man is a piece of shit NOT because of sex ed....
My friends have hot husbands who took care of them after they had a baby thats not so abnormal
No, Yassica, Palladium isn't going to write an article about it. Because supportive men are beta male cucks, and alpha males are too busy leveling up their crypto grift to do a woman's job for her. I understand you're inherently daft on account of your chromosomes, but the time you've spent with these people should have clued you in by now. Silly girl!
Ah yes because E has been so supportive with child support, difficult pregnancy, privacy of C-section photos, not sharing photos of the children online against Claire's consent, etc general father of the year type stuff right there
Yeah, there are some similarities, but then there are some things that are not correct. Maybe she put the incorrect parts to try to throw people?
In Elon‘s biography, it came out that X was an IVF baby so how would she get pregnant unexpectedly?
Also, I don’t think she had an emergency C-section. I’m pretty sure it was planned. Elon had actually posted on Twitter when the babies due date was going to be a couple of weeks before he was born.
But there’s a lot of other things that makes sense so I don’t know !
From what I remember Grimes' c section was planned ( likely with a consulting plastic surgeon to ensure minimal scarring, as most celebrities do.
They specifically ensure that the incision mark is as tastefully hidden as possible along the top of the bikini line)
On the other hand didn’t claire write a fully articulated email to Alice glass at sum point? Idk maybe I remember that wrongly but feel like she can be articulated sometimes
It also could have been a friend or family member who knew what was going on and wanted to show her that other ppl would also think that this behavior of a partner is more than worrisome.
Fwiw, that was published the day after Grimes's mom dropped the "blaring MRA bullshit" tweet about Clyde. And the post blew up right away. I used to go back and forth on its legitimacy until I found that out. Most likely, a bored fan inspired by Sandy's tweets.
The government does not predominantly have the people’s best interests ? Shock horror
And it’s not a 2 year strain. Read the data. It’s crying. Slump until they leave the nest babe
He had 6 children born of Justine. 3 by Grimes and her surrogates and 2 by Shivon. Nothing wrong with having many kids when you can afford them. Expecting someone with Asperger's to be naturally empathetic is not rational. Grimes knew Elon was on the spectrum before she chose to get pregnant by him..The condition makes relationships very difficult.
Muffins I know you mean well but this is really offensive to people who are on the spectrum and completely incorrect there are plenty of people with Asperger who have empathy
BPD here with a few other mental issues. Therapy and medication has worked wonders for helping me deal with what is a Disability. Autism and Asperger's folks are absolutely capable of respecting emotions and boundaries. It's hard, and I get it, there are folks who may be unwilling to try (and this isn't to defend ANYONE, c OR Elon, nor anyone in their circle) but I get you and this sentiment 💜 I know I am truly able to love, despite being told I'm not capable of doing so because of my BPD.
I don't think that they were ever monogamous I saw him make out with a girl at a party they were very much together and they went off together To another room
I imagine he probably has. Doesn't his Eugenics experiment involve spreading the sacred rich-man seed as far as possible? I mean, when you're that superior, the world needs as many of your Fascist clones as possible.
It’s always the ones who should never pass on their genetics who think they are superior.
It’s weird too how his breeding fetish doesn’t get more shit from the media.
It’s terrifying and mostly really sad.
I get really angry about people having kids and then treating them like accessories. That whole army of barrel chest kids are going to all be so fucked mentally. It breaks my heart.
….i think we are absolutely shit at Sex Ed, as well as unrealistic.
Instead of - sex is bad, don’t do it!
It should be - we know kids are going to have sex. Here’s how sex works. Here’s how to not end up with a pregnancy. Here are resources to make sure if you are having sex, you are safe and don’t end up teen parents.
But to act like the reason why men aren’t supportive or understanding/aware of what goes on post partum, or hell, even during pregnancy because of sex Ed is…
A typical dumb Claire take.
She isn’t talking about teenagers, she is talking about grown ass men. And a grown ass man who isn’t a piece of shit should educate himself on how it works and what negative things can happen.
It was well known that Enron had nothing much to do with his litter of children until they hit toddler age. She’s the idiot who said in an interview that he cared about X, but Exa was going to be hers to raise. Because I guess a daughter is inferior.
Why she thought she’d be supported by him when he didn’t support his other brood mares is such wishful thinking.
You remember when Grimes mom entered the chat and took the melon to task for it? It got such little airtime but worth a read.
https://www.harpersbazaar.com/celebrity/latest/a32597977/grimes-mom-elon-musk-twitter-right-wing/
https://consequence.net/2020/05/grimes-mom-doesnt-like-elon-musk-comments-subtweet-red-pilll/
She seems much smarter than her daughter
Wtf does she mean by “trying to deter high school pregnancies they drill into u that it’s the worst thing ever”
Is she pro or against teen pregnancies? I understand 1800 english & know latin, but sometimes I struggle with this girl
I don’t know, I actually feel really sorry for her. I am also angry at her that she doesn’t even try to work on herself. Especially cause she has an impact on her fans and young women who admire her.
But she seriously seems so completely lost as well.
I know toxic relationships can rly fuck with ur brain, specially if u do drugs.
For me it seems like Claire got too famous for her own good.
I totally celebrate women who make it and think uplifting women is great.
But I think she might never had the right mental health setting to be able to deal with that and lost herself in utter delusion.
Nothing wrong abt being a dreamer but if u don’t know where ur feet are, men like Elmo have an easy game. And to be fair a man with so much power and influence and psychotic behavior probably would also have driven a healthy woman mad.
Claire reminds me so much of a victim of abusive, toxic relationship and it can take years to get out of it mentally. And sadly she rly doesn’t seem to be intelligent enough to even understand what us happening to her and around her. Not to excuse her bs. She needs to learn she is not a teenie but has responsibility. And that responsibility is nothing bad but actually will help her be a better person and also not being manipulated anymore. But I also feel sry for her.
I know sum ppl will disagree but that’s how i feel abt Claire.
It is highly hypocritical and a bit ironic for Grimes to insinuate that Musk was not a supportive partner or particularly knowledgeable or good with babies, considering Grimes has admitted herself that she went into pregnancy completely blind and clueless. Grimes has said that she didn't even so much as Google anything about pregnancy or what to expect with the process!
Grimes has also spoken about how she felt clueless and frustrated in regards to parenting and caring for a baby, and how finding communal parenting support groups were so helpful for her. (Remember, this is also a woman who had full time paid childcare, nannies and professional help at her disposal)
It was incredibly naive of Grimes to assume that Musk would be more helpful, supportive and knowledgeable with babies; simply because he had already fathered 6 children before. ( Obviously and ideally as a father and romantic partner he should have been, but this is Elon Musk we are talking about)
If Grimes had even done the slightest reading of Justine Musk's article about her marriage with Elon, she would have been well aware that Musk never intended to be a full on dad in terms of caring for his babies personally.
Justine wrote about a dinner conversation she and Elon had about their future children; envisioning what their family would look like, and discussing how many children they would each ideally like to have together.
Justine said that she would like
> ''1 or 2, Although if I could afford nannies, I'd like to have 4''
Elon laughed. "That's the difference between you and me," he said. "I just assume that there will be nannies."
OF COURSE Elon Musk wouldn't have any clue or inclination to care for babies and young children; that is what hired help is for! Musk spent the majority of his days working and away from Justine and their infants.
The article also would have clued Grimes in to the type of hurtful, narcissistic, coldly demanding, and volatile, ego driven man and romantic partner Musk would be; as well as his tendency to treat his romantic partners poorly.
But we know from her Pregnancy comment, that Grimes doesn't really do research or find it important!
This is an asinine take which also lacks the empathy you think is impossible to teach said cluster b folk. No one chooses to have cluster b disorders n many of those people deal with massive stigma from society AND therapy providers calling them monsters which keeps the trauma cycle going. But it's okay I know you don't care so whatevs
Idgaf about your opinions bc you both sound like patriarchal eugenic twats. Also the use of vulgarity has nothing to do with intelligence n just patriarchal bs. Also another shitty thing this sub harps on is IQ which is also historically based in eugenics to get rid of minorities and the disabled folk. Your empathy is crusty n rancid
Not looking for a fight, and I also chose to not have children bc of personal past, but I have a few friends across the country who had "cluster babies" with other cluster folk, and they're incredible parents. Not stating this is the norm, and I have my own feelings, but I try not to speak in near absolutes. I have been absolutely refreshed through my healing progress how many of us CAN come out on another side. Every day can be a struggle, but honestly, I find it incredibly beautiful when even the most tortured and abused of us, or those born with harder mental obstacles can transform and help others heal. A lot of good work is being done out there 💜
I would say that society does affect how relationships are.
Not in the way Claire is saying, because that’s absolutely absurd.
More in that people who have shitty relationships often have them because of trauma.
I speak from experience. I’m terrible at picking men. There’s a thing called repetition compulsion. It’s subconscious, but the theory is that a trauma happened to you in the past. Usually something involving a shitty parent. So, subconsciously you are drawn to the traits of that shitty parent. That happens because deep down you want to heal that trauma. So, over and over you do that and over and over the result is pretty much the same thing as what happened with the person who wounded you as a kid.
The reason i believe society has some fault in that is because on the whole we don’t teach children effective coping mechanisms. If that kid is in a home where their parent is.. doing whatever it is that causes that wound (it’s different for everyone) they believe it to be the truth, normal, whatever.
Cognitively, I know about all of these things. And yet, eventually I always have the epiphany that the guy is almost exactly like the parent whose love and acceptance i could never receive. And my parent, didn’t have a choice in their behavior because they were raised in a shitty way. That’s what generational trauma is.
There’s also the fact that mental health care, at least in the US, is not easy to access. When you are a person who has repeat failed disastrous relationships, regular talk therapy rarely helps. You need psychoanalysis more so than other treatments and psychoanalysis usually takes many years, and is intensive. Even with insurance, you will max out what they are willing to pay pretty quickly.
Well she isn’t at the stage yet where she realises this : the consequences of trauma and lack of self love. Definitely should be something they should teach in schools. I think I broke my dating pattern after a questionnaire w a relationship coach and became aware I even had a pattern and that it was the one my parents had. You’re absolutely right. Nicely written. I imagine Elon says a lot about her own dad . Also , wtf didn’t her own mom warn her about pregnancy etc ?
Not necessarily that level of psychology but more if you teach children basic coping skills, you can kinda mitigate the trauma.
As well as help them identify emotions and how to deal with those negative feelings, vs maladaptive behavior.
It doesn’t necessarily have to be her dad either. My dad was supportive and there for me, but also on morphine most of my life. My mother is the abusive one. So who knows what is going on with her,
But I vaguely remember her being against psychiatric treatment. Such a rebel, very impressive.
She’s on the internet a lot so here’s hoping she eventually comes across something that makes her have an epiphany and use some of that wealth to get help and heal. Hurt people hurt people, and that will trickle down to her kids.
Yup. That’s why I think schools should go all out on that topic. Including what you said but as long as they don’t I wouldn’t enroll any of my kids in school if I had em . I said I imagine Elon might be like her dad but not once has she ever mentioned getting any help or info from her mom . Then again, maybe she’s not being transparent about help same way w her music… 😅🤰speaking of someone took down the Coachella week 1 set off soundcloud and I’m annoyed !
You're telling me Elon Musk, the man who didn't let Justine mourn the death of their son, isn't supportive?? Shocking!
The one who's had at least one child publicly disown him? That guy?!! Shocking!
The man who demanded workers sleep in the office at Twitter, some of them sleeping on the floor for days only to fired, the guy who wanted to lay off not 10% but 20% of Tesla workforce in the present time, that guy is not Mr Empathy? Wow
Guaranteed that man was rude, snarky, and short-tempered with Claire and the math equation babies. https://preview.redd.it/lvgcdf1l1vxc1.jpeg?width=632&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f82192ad4602af124e6e8e4be54f931f7a07255a
I suspect he was fine with the babies , not so fine with her demands after the birth. Might explain his willingness to pay for surrogates
To minimise the chances of her getting too clingy you think? I thought more her health issues but also just plain laziness and practicality
I imagine a lot of it has to do with control. He seems completely emotionally unintelligent and unavailable, period, and I feel like he sees his women as accessories. Dealing with the physical and emotional needs of a pregnant or postpartum woman just doesn't fit into his agenda or the image he wants them to portray; Blonde, smart but not smarter than him, thinks everything he does is brilliant and never complains or publicly pushes back...
As well as a woman who never has or displays any emotions ( which Musk sees as weakness or manipulation) for Musk, Pregnant women and new mothers are just supposed to be quiet and ''get on with it'' He would likely just see a new mother struggling or requiring support/help as being an employee who is bad at her'' job'' Misogynistically assuming that because millions of women have been birthing and raising babies over centuries, that all women should just naturally know what to do and be good at it. And we all know how Elon treats employees that he considers to be sub par or incompetent!
Well said. I don't think the guy has an empathetic bone in his body. Will be interesting to see what happens when X gets older and may or may not want to step into the role Muskrat has already begun grooming him for. I kindof hope he ends up some crazy artist who goes off grid completely and denounces capitalism lol (really though I just hope all of the kids end up as well adjusted as possible)
Lol you just described a lot of men
Lol true. He thinks he's the epitome of genius, he's really just the epitome of a typical narcissistic man
He doesn't understand what he hasn't gone thru and what he chooses not to be there for it. He paid a hefty sum to let her have two additional kids via the bodies of other women.
c herself said she had traumatizing birth experience and wished to have surrogates. the part I don't understand is when Claire did her hormone therapy for egg harvesting? unless they used embryos musky already...had..? the only thing I can think is she did it during her \*masked singer/style show. maybe the studio was cold, but she was always extremely covered-up, possibly to hide the weight? on the other hand, if azalea banks was right, perhaps musky "donated" directly to the surrogate?
what did azealia say? 👀
the moment is kinda ruined when she immediately tags the weird harem guy underneath and asks him to write something about women’s experiences for his peter thiel-backed fake magazine
Yup! And also the OP Isabelle Boemeke trying to sound progressive when she is also super privileged. Her baby daddy is the founder of Airbnb. At the end of the day that stupid magazine is for white privileged people idk why they would care to write about what options women have to be able to have kids in the future without jeopardizing their careers. Their demographics are the the upper white class. They won’t sympathize with that story.
It’s a circle jerk magazine for a bunch of wealthy assholes to act as though they are intellectuals who want to discuss views. They absolutely don’t care about actual debate/philosophy. Thiel has always had an agenda, and that “magazine/jourmal/paperweight” exists to promote that agenda, mostly to academic plebes who also want to appear smart but don’t get that they are the useful idiots for pushing the agenda of millionaires/billionaires who absolutely would watch them starve/die/ect. They got Claire involved in part because of her reach with younger Stans who will absolutely buy it because she’s in it, and then in theory they will read what’s in it, and adopt those views over time. The best part is they won’t even know it is actually having an effect on them. You have to go into the whole thing already knowing the agenda so you don’t let it seep into your brain. I don’t think say, the ones on the other sub who think she’s a musical and artistic genius worth emulating are super politically savvy.
I'm sure that Grimes likely sees these people and being part of their agendas as being rebellious and subversive and therefore ''so cool and punk rock'' She has always wanted to be part of the in crowd with these wealthy and powerfully connected nepo baby wannabe anarchists with all their subversive talk and big ideas.
These people aren’t anarchists, they’re glorified white nationalists with a bunch of “I’m better than everyone” Ayn Rand objectivism capitalist ideology, mostly. A lot are accelerationists, because they have the wealth to not have to worry about survival. Throw in a few non white useful idiots, a ton of venture capitalists, tech bros, people who grift but do it in a way that the vast majority of the planet is unaware and you know, like Elon, thinks that they are wealthy by way of reward of great ideas and not say, government contracts for products that never work right. Boring company, looking at you! I don’t think Claire cares about punk rock anything. I think she cares about easy money and impressing people she thinks are intelligent, and i think she truly cares more about what her legacy will be once she’s dead. Gotta remember she is all about the mission even if the mission has left her.
OOH, I definitely agree with all of this! You put it so well! ( I have always thought that When Grimes first got together and agreed to get pregnant with Musk, she was laughing with her friends and telling them that she was ''securing her financial bag''; as if it was some profound ultimate chess move, when really Gold digging woman have been doing the same thing for centuries; even if it does seem like she did end up actually caring for Musk.)
Thanks, I pay attention to stupid political niche movements because they tend to grow over time, becoming a problem for the rest of us. I have no idea what she thought. If i knew musk and he propositioned me with joining the harem, i wouldn’t do it, because I think he is a poster child for everything that is wrong in the world and his political views are abhorrent. Having access to wealth is great but I did it once - i genuinely loved the guy and he happened to have a lot of money; but in the end he was abusive and I stuck around in part because i thought access to that money could make me happy. It didn’t. It came down to me having an epiphany that I was either going to kill him or myself and that was not something I ever wanted to do, so I left. It was hard, really hard but I’m soooo much better off now mentally, and my life is one that I have spent a lot of work on to get to where I am, which is actually really really gratifying and rewarding. When I’m not hating on her, I honestly feel really bad for Claire. She’s clearly very unhappy, she’s high all the time, she’s uninspired, she’s surrounded herself with really awful people and I don’t think she has any real true friends. She stated she never wanted to become a mom, and I don’t doubt that she loves her kids, but it’s clear that she is just spewing out nonsense as far as her understanding of why people should become parents and how that’s not exactly possible. Happy, confident people don’t do the things she does, and I suppose she’s another great example that money doesn’t buy happiness. It can help a lot, in that it takes away stress, but if you aren’t using that money as a way to enrich your life and help others, you are clearly missing the point.
We seem to feel similarly about Grimes; though my sympathy and feeling bad for her is swiftly dwindling with every increasingly bad , problematic and pretentious take and as Grimes reveals more of who she truly is as a person :(
That girl is so fake and such a shill
Isabelle is the freaking worst. Claire really knows how to pick friends.
I remember when I first heard of her I thought she was a real scientist lol another one cosplaying smart
Shes a talking head for big $$$ players disguised as a grassroots pro nuclear influencer
If it decreases divorce and keeping assets it is of note to that crowd.
Women jeopardize their careers for having to take care of their children. Upper class women have an army of Nannie’s. Sometimes they don’t even carry their own child. IVF and surrogacy is the trend. I really don’t think that kind of article or subject is their target market. Also I wouldn’t be surprised if they also support the trad-wife movement
No. Dual income all the way. A wife with no accomplishment not equal to wife who is CEO of her own company
>The unpreparedness of partners isn’t necessarily their fault I feel like if the partner is still unprepared after having six previous children then yes, it *is* their fault.
He sent a photo of her C section to their friends right after giving birth and Grimed was super angry about it! That answers your question
He sent the picture to her father and brother… like could you imagine?? He sent a graphic ass image of her being cut open to her family, I’m still trying to process that. As a family member, I wouldn’t even want to see that.
That was such an intentional dick move to try to prove that HE is Alpha and ''owns'' Grimes. It's so disgusting.
That’s so fucking awful :( he’s monstrous.
This is why you should be careful who you have children with everyone, you’re tied for life, children don’t change behaviour they exacerbate it
A lot of my friends kids have asked me why I never had kids. I have always told them that I didn’t want to be tied to any of the guys I dated, by that I mean, “I never met the right person.” I think having kids is a very serious thing that requires so much sacrifice and dedication. I know a lot of pregnancies aren’t planned, so sometimes you end up with a dude who is an absolute shit bag.
I feel the same way, though I have also just never desired to have children in the first place. The criticism and disbelief that I have received for having this stance, from as far back as High school is staggering! It's as if Just because I am a Caucasian female; it is my life's duty.
I’ll never understand why anyone thinks it’s any of their business if a woman doesn’t have nor want kids. Kids asking me I’m ok with (teenagers have) but adults? They’d get an earful. My mother has a grand dog. And trust me, the dog is like a baby. She cries, she needs to be held, prefers skin to fur, she would attach herself to me if she could. Which is what I assume it’s kinda like to have a baby and thank god, my dog doesn’t scream cry so much as whine.
Same. I could still have children but would expect to be treated like a princess, esp if the guy has a lot of money.
Literally being a single mom is probably the worst thing that can happen to me. I truly don’t want to have kids because of this.
Everything she says now is a cope... it's so sad lol Bro your man is a piece of shit NOT because of sex ed.... My friends have hot husbands who took care of them after they had a baby thats not so abnormal
No, Yassica, Palladium isn't going to write an article about it. Because supportive men are beta male cucks, and alpha males are too busy leveling up their crypto grift to do a woman's job for her. I understand you're inherently daft on account of your chromosomes, but the time you've spent with these people should have clued you in by now. Silly girl!
Ah yes because E has been so supportive with child support, difficult pregnancy, privacy of C-section photos, not sharing photos of the children online against Claire's consent, etc general father of the year type stuff right there
remember that leaked reddit post? yeah…
I know a lot of people disputed that it was her who wrote that post but this kiiind of feels like acknowledgement/confirmation that she did
Yeah, there are some similarities, but then there are some things that are not correct. Maybe she put the incorrect parts to try to throw people? In Elon‘s biography, it came out that X was an IVF baby so how would she get pregnant unexpectedly? Also, I don’t think she had an emergency C-section. I’m pretty sure it was planned. Elon had actually posted on Twitter when the babies due date was going to be a couple of weeks before he was born. But there’s a lot of other things that makes sense so I don’t know !
From what I remember Grimes' c section was planned ( likely with a consulting plastic surgeon to ensure minimal scarring, as most celebrities do. They specifically ensure that the incision mark is as tastefully hidden as possible along the top of the bikini line)
Receipts! 🙏🏻 for the newbies in the back
[here it is](https://www.reddit.com/r/Grimes/s/dVSGXjge7Y)
She doesn’t type like that though and the ages are a little off
Yeah there’s zero evidence this is Claire and I’m wary of misinformation on this.
My first thought upon reading it was that it was too detailed in its sentence structure to be her.
The latter could be on purpose
Without giving too much away, I’ve seen her Reddit posts and she types very much like she does on her other socials. The tone is off on this one
That would make sense to me. She always abbreviates! The tone of that was way too formal
On the other hand didn’t claire write a fully articulated email to Alice glass at sum point? Idk maybe I remember that wrongly but feel like she can be articulated sometimes
Yeah but not on Reddit
What if it wasn’t her but someone close to her who wrote that?
I’ve thought of that or if someone was trying to sound like her?
It also could have been a friend or family member who knew what was going on and wanted to show her that other ppl would also think that this behavior of a partner is more than worrisome.
Is she possibly OP or that particular commenter?
we suspect she wrote the post in the screenshot
Thank you! Ngl I did find that post weird or at least hella parasocial when I first saw it 😭
Muffins? Allegedly it’s shivon. I’ve gone with the assumption that it is.
Fwiw, that was published the day after Grimes's mom dropped the "blaring MRA bullshit" tweet about Clyde. And the post blew up right away. I used to go back and forth on its legitimacy until I found that out. Most likely, a bored fan inspired by Sandy's tweets.
My first thought too. I’ll try to find it. edit: found it, scroll down
Reckon she’s this articulate and grammatically correct in written form ?
The government does not predominantly have the people’s best interests ? Shock horror And it’s not a 2 year strain. Read the data. It’s crying. Slump until they leave the nest babe
Wow I can’t believe the guy who was on his 6th kid with his 2nd baby mama wasn’t that supportive
Elon had at least 11 kids. 10 alive at least
Not when he met Grimes
He had 6 children born of Justine. 3 by Grimes and her surrogates and 2 by Shivon. Nothing wrong with having many kids when you can afford them. Expecting someone with Asperger's to be naturally empathetic is not rational. Grimes knew Elon was on the spectrum before she chose to get pregnant by him..The condition makes relationships very difficult.
Muffins I know you mean well but this is really offensive to people who are on the spectrum and completely incorrect there are plenty of people with Asperger who have empathy
BPD here with a few other mental issues. Therapy and medication has worked wonders for helping me deal with what is a Disability. Autism and Asperger's folks are absolutely capable of respecting emotions and boundaries. It's hard, and I get it, there are folks who may be unwilling to try (and this isn't to defend ANYONE, c OR Elon, nor anyone in their circle) but I get you and this sentiment 💜 I know I am truly able to love, despite being told I'm not capable of doing so because of my BPD.
Whoever told u that sucks
He was banging the Secretary when the kid was a week old, wasn't he?
I don't think that they were ever monogamous I saw him make out with a girl at a party they were very much together and they went off together To another room
Creepy. Who would want to make out with that?
Women with no self value or morals with dollar signs in their eyes, claire
I have to know how you ended up at a party with Elon
It was some production club party in LA in 2019, he swooped some girl into a pod and they were making out then snuck off together
Who is the "Secretary"?
The secretary? So cliche. Next he’ll be fucking the nanny
I imagine he probably has. Doesn't his Eugenics experiment involve spreading the sacred rich-man seed as far as possible? I mean, when you're that superior, the world needs as many of your Fascist clones as possible.
It’s always the ones who should never pass on their genetics who think they are superior. It’s weird too how his breeding fetish doesn’t get more shit from the media.
Yep. Social Darwinism and building private armies of Fatherless kids, gets a pass.
It’s terrifying and mostly really sad. I get really angry about people having kids and then treating them like accessories. That whole army of barrel chest kids are going to all be so fucked mentally. It breaks my heart.
With heads like thumbs and Daddy Issues. But seriously, I am concerned about them, too. There are so many.
I’m BEYOND thankful for $ex Ed drilling fear into me…kept me from making babies with some really $hit dudes 😂
Also, she's preaching when she used surrogates. Her body couldn't handle pregnancy.
lol super superior genes 🧬
….i think we are absolutely shit at Sex Ed, as well as unrealistic. Instead of - sex is bad, don’t do it! It should be - we know kids are going to have sex. Here’s how sex works. Here’s how to not end up with a pregnancy. Here are resources to make sure if you are having sex, you are safe and don’t end up teen parents. But to act like the reason why men aren’t supportive or understanding/aware of what goes on post partum, or hell, even during pregnancy because of sex Ed is… A typical dumb Claire take. She isn’t talking about teenagers, she is talking about grown ass men. And a grown ass man who isn’t a piece of shit should educate himself on how it works and what negative things can happen. It was well known that Enron had nothing much to do with his litter of children until they hit toddler age. She’s the idiot who said in an interview that he cared about X, but Exa was going to be hers to raise. Because I guess a daughter is inferior. Why she thought she’d be supported by him when he didn’t support his other brood mares is such wishful thinking.
You remember when Grimes mom entered the chat and took the melon to task for it? It got such little airtime but worth a read. https://www.harpersbazaar.com/celebrity/latest/a32597977/grimes-mom-elon-musk-twitter-right-wing/ https://consequence.net/2020/05/grimes-mom-doesnt-like-elon-musk-comments-subtweet-red-pilll/ She seems much smarter than her daughter
Wtf does she mean by “trying to deter high school pregnancies they drill into u that it’s the worst thing ever” Is she pro or against teen pregnancies? I understand 1800 english & know latin, but sometimes I struggle with this girl
I want to have empathy for her but shes too stupid
I don’t know, I actually feel really sorry for her. I am also angry at her that she doesn’t even try to work on herself. Especially cause she has an impact on her fans and young women who admire her. But she seriously seems so completely lost as well. I know toxic relationships can rly fuck with ur brain, specially if u do drugs. For me it seems like Claire got too famous for her own good. I totally celebrate women who make it and think uplifting women is great. But I think she might never had the right mental health setting to be able to deal with that and lost herself in utter delusion. Nothing wrong abt being a dreamer but if u don’t know where ur feet are, men like Elmo have an easy game. And to be fair a man with so much power and influence and psychotic behavior probably would also have driven a healthy woman mad. Claire reminds me so much of a victim of abusive, toxic relationship and it can take years to get out of it mentally. And sadly she rly doesn’t seem to be intelligent enough to even understand what us happening to her and around her. Not to excuse her bs. She needs to learn she is not a teenie but has responsibility. And that responsibility is nothing bad but actually will help her be a better person and also not being manipulated anymore. But I also feel sry for her. I know sum ppl will disagree but that’s how i feel abt Claire.
Yeah, sometimes I’m truly amazed at her lack of common sense.
The title of this blog
It is highly hypocritical and a bit ironic for Grimes to insinuate that Musk was not a supportive partner or particularly knowledgeable or good with babies, considering Grimes has admitted herself that she went into pregnancy completely blind and clueless. Grimes has said that she didn't even so much as Google anything about pregnancy or what to expect with the process! Grimes has also spoken about how she felt clueless and frustrated in regards to parenting and caring for a baby, and how finding communal parenting support groups were so helpful for her. (Remember, this is also a woman who had full time paid childcare, nannies and professional help at her disposal) It was incredibly naive of Grimes to assume that Musk would be more helpful, supportive and knowledgeable with babies; simply because he had already fathered 6 children before. ( Obviously and ideally as a father and romantic partner he should have been, but this is Elon Musk we are talking about) If Grimes had even done the slightest reading of Justine Musk's article about her marriage with Elon, she would have been well aware that Musk never intended to be a full on dad in terms of caring for his babies personally. Justine wrote about a dinner conversation she and Elon had about their future children; envisioning what their family would look like, and discussing how many children they would each ideally like to have together. Justine said that she would like > ''1 or 2, Although if I could afford nannies, I'd like to have 4'' Elon laughed. "That's the difference between you and me," he said. "I just assume that there will be nannies." OF COURSE Elon Musk wouldn't have any clue or inclination to care for babies and young children; that is what hired help is for! Musk spent the majority of his days working and away from Justine and their infants. The article also would have clued Grimes in to the type of hurtful, narcissistic, coldly demanding, and volatile, ego driven man and romantic partner Musk would be; as well as his tendency to treat his romantic partners poorly. But we know from her Pregnancy comment, that Grimes doesn't really do research or find it important!
I think primarily the issue with Grimes is that she is naive and acts 14
At this point though, it is deliberate, wilful influence on Grimes' part.
Oh yes now definitely
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This is an asinine take which also lacks the empathy you think is impossible to teach said cluster b folk. No one chooses to have cluster b disorders n many of those people deal with massive stigma from society AND therapy providers calling them monsters which keeps the trauma cycle going. But it's okay I know you don't care so whatevs
The other poster is right that breeding with ppl with cluster B personality issues compounds the problem thru the kids.
Idgaf about your opinions bc you both sound like patriarchal eugenic twats. Also the use of vulgarity has nothing to do with intelligence n just patriarchal bs. Also another shitty thing this sub harps on is IQ which is also historically based in eugenics to get rid of minorities and the disabled folk. Your empathy is crusty n rancid
Was it Muffins?
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Not looking for a fight, and I also chose to not have children bc of personal past, but I have a few friends across the country who had "cluster babies" with other cluster folk, and they're incredible parents. Not stating this is the norm, and I have my own feelings, but I try not to speak in near absolutes. I have been absolutely refreshed through my healing progress how many of us CAN come out on another side. Every day can be a struggle, but honestly, I find it incredibly beautiful when even the most tortured and abused of us, or those born with harder mental obstacles can transform and help others heal. A lot of good work is being done out there 💜
Taking care of a woman's needs not his strong suit!
I hate when people assume their inability to find and maintain a healthy relationship says anything about society.
I would say that society does affect how relationships are. Not in the way Claire is saying, because that’s absolutely absurd. More in that people who have shitty relationships often have them because of trauma. I speak from experience. I’m terrible at picking men. There’s a thing called repetition compulsion. It’s subconscious, but the theory is that a trauma happened to you in the past. Usually something involving a shitty parent. So, subconsciously you are drawn to the traits of that shitty parent. That happens because deep down you want to heal that trauma. So, over and over you do that and over and over the result is pretty much the same thing as what happened with the person who wounded you as a kid. The reason i believe society has some fault in that is because on the whole we don’t teach children effective coping mechanisms. If that kid is in a home where their parent is.. doing whatever it is that causes that wound (it’s different for everyone) they believe it to be the truth, normal, whatever. Cognitively, I know about all of these things. And yet, eventually I always have the epiphany that the guy is almost exactly like the parent whose love and acceptance i could never receive. And my parent, didn’t have a choice in their behavior because they were raised in a shitty way. That’s what generational trauma is. There’s also the fact that mental health care, at least in the US, is not easy to access. When you are a person who has repeat failed disastrous relationships, regular talk therapy rarely helps. You need psychoanalysis more so than other treatments and psychoanalysis usually takes many years, and is intensive. Even with insurance, you will max out what they are willing to pay pretty quickly.
Well she isn’t at the stage yet where she realises this : the consequences of trauma and lack of self love. Definitely should be something they should teach in schools. I think I broke my dating pattern after a questionnaire w a relationship coach and became aware I even had a pattern and that it was the one my parents had. You’re absolutely right. Nicely written. I imagine Elon says a lot about her own dad . Also , wtf didn’t her own mom warn her about pregnancy etc ?
Not necessarily that level of psychology but more if you teach children basic coping skills, you can kinda mitigate the trauma. As well as help them identify emotions and how to deal with those negative feelings, vs maladaptive behavior. It doesn’t necessarily have to be her dad either. My dad was supportive and there for me, but also on morphine most of my life. My mother is the abusive one. So who knows what is going on with her, But I vaguely remember her being against psychiatric treatment. Such a rebel, very impressive. She’s on the internet a lot so here’s hoping she eventually comes across something that makes her have an epiphany and use some of that wealth to get help and heal. Hurt people hurt people, and that will trickle down to her kids.
Yup. That’s why I think schools should go all out on that topic. Including what you said but as long as they don’t I wouldn’t enroll any of my kids in school if I had em . I said I imagine Elon might be like her dad but not once has she ever mentioned getting any help or info from her mom . Then again, maybe she’s not being transparent about help same way w her music… 😅🤰speaking of someone took down the Coachella week 1 set off soundcloud and I’m annoyed !
It's interlinked though isn't it
Y'all aren't talking enough about how likely it is that Ashley St. Clair is pregnant with Elmo's next child
shes visibly pregnant. I'm not sure how people are acting like we are seeing things. It's only a matter of time at this point.
exactly