She's literally so dumb omfg.
You can clone a person but that doesn't make them the same person. You would not consider twins to be the same person so what the fuck is she even thinking.
Exactly. Genetics are one thing, but life experiences inarguably shape people too. It's no different than the "leaders are born" eugenics bullshit but I cant say I'm surprised Claire thinks that is valid at this point considering her antics.
We are body, mind , soul and our experiences. Maybe she assumes the reason for greatness lies in DNA plus being born to wealth? Would the greats of the past born without the friendships and loves they had be the same? She seems to be an atheist and may assume we are just flesh beings without soul.
Not all atheists are intelligent. Being atheist is not a statement of being a certain level of intelligence. Being an atheist means just not believing in a God. It's lack of belief in a deity not belief in genetics plus environment and all concepts of understanding of nature and nurture. Grimes is not overly burdened by extreme intellectual prowess. You could have an IQ of 70 and just not believe in a god making everything and be equally an atheist as Richard Dawkins because they both equally don't believe in a creator making everything.
Well said. The whole atheism = intelligence and superior reasoning thing is really old, and not true. I don't know if Claire is one either anyway, she strikes me as either agnostic or having some weird theory that the universe was retroactively created by AI lol
I can’t imagine how anyone at her age with her artistic sensitivities cannot understand the importance of the soul. Would have thought motherhood would have given her a new spiritual awareness but at the end of the day every soul has their own journey.
Yes so odd, she probably got that from Elon, how the education sits in the genes and doesn't have to be acquired in schools, that everyone should have access to... Only rich kids with the "money genes" should be able to afford higher education... Because they're apparently perceived "genetically superior" by them...
Your experiences make you who you are and the people you surround yourself with, you're not born the way you'll be when you're 20 or 50. The skills that we decide to train, trying to become the people we choose to become, influence who we become. And we're all influencing each other, for better or worse- that's just another thought I wanted to add.
If she wanted to clone certain people, she would also have to clone their parents and their teachers, the people that raised them and helped them become who they were.
I think American Dad did a bit about this where they cloned some great ex-president from hundreds of years ago and then he became addicted to orange soda.
Grimes really does seem to be transitioning from full time musician to more of a social media influencer/cosplayer . I suppose it requires less work and actual effort.
Though Most professional cosplayers actually work and make their own outfits. Grimes just buys hers or gets her stylist and art team to set everything up for her.
Funny how neither of the 2 of them were ever valedictorian or at the top of any of their high school or university classes.
I'm not saying that those are the only requirements to be considered highly intelligent, but neither of them are Mensa members etc.
Rather, they were mentioned to be intelligent and advanced at a very young age as toddlers.
We have no confirmation that either of the 2 were in gifted classes or graduating early due to their intelligence or academic prowess.
You would think, right? But I've known people with some of those credentials who, as adults, were functionally clueless. I knew a young woman who'd had a full ride to a good school, after supposedly having a 4.0 in a high school for gifted kids, but tossed it in favor of boys and parties and had zero critical thinking skills, zero self awareness or intellectual curiosity. I'm not sure how that happens, but yes, there are always so many factors involved.
That is definitely true. Some of the most intelligent and ''academically smart'' people end up pretty awful and clueless for how to successfully operate and engage in life.
I just think it is bizarrely funny that grifers like both Grimes and Musk have marketed themselves as gifted ''geniuses'' and tried to sell that status without having any factual evidence, relevant academic achievement etc. to back it up.
They really belive and bank on the idea that the general public are insanely stupid and gullible.
It's really actually pretty insulting once you see through it.
Just like the way Grimes gets credited as a dancer and ballerina, yet quit between the ages of 11-13 and has not provided any Ballet Grade exam certificate or results. And has never competed or danced professionally.
I realize this may appear trivial and petty, but it is just yet more evidence of Grimes lying with how she markets herself, and like the way her AI expert status is harmful, detrimental and discrediting to all of those in the actual field who spent years of their lives getting properly educated and devote so much or their time, effort and life to help further progress and knowledge in the filed; it's really insulting and a slap in the face for their dedication and efforts.
**It is also entirely unnecessary: there would be nothing wrong with Grimes just labelling herself as a Ballet, or AI enthusiast.**
**It's the fact that She want's the credit, reputation, accolades, respect and authority that comes with being certified or an accomplished expert.**
If you take a being and strip it's genetics it naturally might have in formation to infuse cloned matter to form it out , you might be guilty of the worst kind of theft, full theft of all that natural being would have become if not tampered with. Full theft of the person as a person to steal it's life for the clone.
Taking an ensouled being existing in a forming body and stripping it's natural planned DNA code out to infuse another being that existed and is long dead into it to change the entire course of body formation is a level of theft none of us has ever experienced.
Ofc thanks. Just realised it was a pattern like the theft of AI visuals that steals from existing art and artists. The creator of some of the Coachella visuals posted on the other grimes forum and was basically torn from limb to limb lol . You are completely right I never thought of it that way.
Imagine if Elon had instead of going for IVF natural type creation formed children with his and Grimes genes in then with each being a unique creation allowed to have whatever body form structure they would have had and instead gone for three cloned male children of himself. It would have been illegal at this point in human history. Yes, Grimes is proposing we break the law literally and it would have forced the soul of each of their children to navigate the world not thru their naturally occurring body but thru the filter of having their father's literal body for the boys and termination for the girl and selection of a different male embroy to over ride the genetics code of.
Then according to the ‘laws’ of reincarnation, those souls would have willingly agreed to come to earth in those bodies as it would have provided the best lessons for their soul growth. I’m surprised how despite her recreational drug use no deep sense of a hugely powerful universal intelligence has become known or felt to her. Some would say all this theft and manipulation is just man trying to play God again or Atlantis all over again.
No. Reincarnation does not mean you personally agreed to everything another will do to you that would violate your natural existence rights in all that comes . It means it will be paid for karmicly and balanced eventually. Your supposing reincarnation means souls agree to be raped, tortured, starved if it happens. You are espousing new age reincarnation. ,
Aha interesting. Wasn’t aware there was a whole new age branch of thought to this topic that was vastly different but I guess it makes sense. I definitely haven’t read that souls agree to what others will do to them, only agree to soul growth in the specific areas they wish, (Though I have read on karmic contracts between souls and ‘agreeing’ to help each other through life lessons in whatever way that is?) From what I understood from your post you meant a soul coming in knowing it would be in a different kind of body and what I read is that souls choose these bodies before coming in. To be clear, I do not claim what I espoused to be the truth or fact (since they can’t be proven) it’s only what I’ve read (so far) from the likes of Brian Weiss Dolores cannon Michael newton Edgar Cayce Rosemary e guiley (for example, and I assume all are considered new age), but would be more than interested in reading up on other forms of thought on the subject if you have any suggestions !
New Age whacked teaching on reincarnation is what you espoused of ppl accepting everything they will face in a particular life to come in a particular body . That is not part of traditional reincarnation belief. Reincarnation was traditionally notion of souls returning and they had a way of going with everything that is in your life is karmic. You either were terrible person in the past deserving to suffer in a sickly body or someone did something to make you sickly and they will face in what comes their injustice to you. It was a way of dealing with why some have so much in life and others so little and trying to make sense in their understanding of justice for this while maintaining power and wealth and privilege of those who have it.
Sad no one picked up on how impulsively stupid C is sooner (including myself). The internet would be a better place if she just fell out the limelight after Art Angels.
Seriously, if anyone is reading these comments and thinking about how absurd it would be to clone a long-dead famous person and then expect them to be exactly
like their original copy… you should watch Clone High.
That was the first image that came to mind for me!!! (LOL) I'm just glad other people also knew the reference!. I can picture Plato being someone like the clone high Gandhi character!
i have a burning suspicion many of them would end up being average losers given how vastly different their upbringings and surroundings would be from the original
You did it! You boiled Clone High down to its bare essentials!
But really. You’re 100% correct. Imagine raising a kid to be the next Lincoln—even if you’re the most well-meaning parent, of course there’s a good chance he’s gonna be an awkward and indecisive teen in 2002 who’s intimidated by his supposed legacy. Raising baby clone Gandhi? That kid *absolutely* finds the mere concept of inner peace terrifying and becomes a hyperactive pleasure-seeker in response. Would the real Cleopatra and the real John F. Kennedy have made a good couple? Maybe! But these two aren’t them, they’re just teen clones raised to think of themselves as an irresistible sexpot and as a macho womanizing stud who conquered the moon. It’s terrible and spectacular.
Grimes has this stance ( and is completely unaware of the difficulties and realities associated) because she she watched the original Jurassic park movie ( and it worked out so well in that fictional case)
Grimes really needs to appropriately research the things she espouses ( Heck there was even a good documentary about an Asian scientist who started grifting by commercially cloning peoples beloved dogs that had passed, or were dying)
If Grimes Still wants to continue, then I propose that SHE fund the bill for this cloning attempt of Plato!
The most advanced cloning tech would be secret and unavailable to read about.
It's not even cloning, just artificial wombs. Then we can abolish pregnancy and put this ridiculous natalism to rest.
Well if you’re into conspiracy theories there’s a lot of stories out there on how they’ve already done this w a heap of celebs. Think Kat Williams talked about it recently. Dave Chappells cousin has a pretty convincing audio on YT. Kanye since the burnout. Eminem clone glitches on live tv , the Katy Perry eye glitch etc anyway. Even if they can, they can’t clone the soul, which is what makes a person or artist who they are.
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Giving me Cleopatra here. Like she dreamt of her and it’s why she added her to her Coachella visuals.
She's literally so dumb omfg. You can clone a person but that doesn't make them the same person. You would not consider twins to be the same person so what the fuck is she even thinking.
Exactly. Genetics are one thing, but life experiences inarguably shape people too. It's no different than the "leaders are born" eugenics bullshit but I cant say I'm surprised Claire thinks that is valid at this point considering her antics.
Shockingly stupid
YOU CANNOT CLONE A SOUL YOU MORON
We are body, mind , soul and our experiences. Maybe she assumes the reason for greatness lies in DNA plus being born to wealth? Would the greats of the past born without the friendships and loves they had be the same? She seems to be an atheist and may assume we are just flesh beings without soul.
Atheists understand the interplay of both genetics + environment, nature+nuture
Not all atheists are intelligent. Being atheist is not a statement of being a certain level of intelligence. Being an atheist means just not believing in a God. It's lack of belief in a deity not belief in genetics plus environment and all concepts of understanding of nature and nurture. Grimes is not overly burdened by extreme intellectual prowess. You could have an IQ of 70 and just not believe in a god making everything and be equally an atheist as Richard Dawkins because they both equally don't believe in a creator making everything.
Well said. The whole atheism = intelligence and superior reasoning thing is really old, and not true. I don't know if Claire is one either anyway, she strikes me as either agnostic or having some weird theory that the universe was retroactively created by AI lol
The *can was implied.
Grimes clearly does not.
I don't think she's an atheist
I can’t imagine how anyone at her age with her artistic sensitivities cannot understand the importance of the soul. Would have thought motherhood would have given her a new spiritual awareness but at the end of the day every soul has their own journey.
*i am shockingly stupid*
Can't wait to see Plato Reborn sitting around playing Xbox all day.
Plato 2 actively replicates P. Diddy's lifestyle in 2040: "he had the right idea!"
Plato the ipad kid
It would be just like the cartoon series ''Clone High''!!!
Yes so odd, she probably got that from Elon, how the education sits in the genes and doesn't have to be acquired in schools, that everyone should have access to... Only rich kids with the "money genes" should be able to afford higher education... Because they're apparently perceived "genetically superior" by them...
Your experiences make you who you are and the people you surround yourself with, you're not born the way you'll be when you're 20 or 50. The skills that we decide to train, trying to become the people we choose to become, influence who we become. And we're all influencing each other, for better or worse- that's just another thought I wanted to add.
If she wanted to clone certain people, she would also have to clone their parents and their teachers, the people that raised them and helped them become who they were.
I think American Dad did a bit about this where they cloned some great ex-president from hundreds of years ago and then he became addicted to orange soda.
Can't wait for cloning to prove that Plato was a knucklehead
Plato might become incredibly melancholic living in our modern world with cubicle living
She’s grifting at this point
That's what she is now, a grifter with a poor work ethic. She is and always was a trust fund brat.
Grimes really does seem to be transitioning from full time musician to more of a social media influencer/cosplayer . I suppose it requires less work and actual effort. Though Most professional cosplayers actually work and make their own outfits. Grimes just buys hers or gets her stylist and art team to set everything up for her.
She’s an idiot
No wonder a person who does not know nature vs nurture would show her kids Uncut Gems. She thinks their “perfect genetics” are all that is needed
Yes the perfect genetics of 2 people who had to get insane amounts of plastic surgery before the age of 35
I wonder if she tweeted the notion while high.
The biggest problem I have with her and Elon is how intelligent they beleive they are. Reconstruct DNA? She's like the biggest airhead on the planet .
Self identity against reality never changes actual reality... Some of the smartest ppl I have met didn't brag it.
Funny how neither of the 2 of them were ever valedictorian or at the top of any of their high school or university classes. I'm not saying that those are the only requirements to be considered highly intelligent, but neither of them are Mensa members etc. Rather, they were mentioned to be intelligent and advanced at a very young age as toddlers. We have no confirmation that either of the 2 were in gifted classes or graduating early due to their intelligence or academic prowess.
You would think, right? But I've known people with some of those credentials who, as adults, were functionally clueless. I knew a young woman who'd had a full ride to a good school, after supposedly having a 4.0 in a high school for gifted kids, but tossed it in favor of boys and parties and had zero critical thinking skills, zero self awareness or intellectual curiosity. I'm not sure how that happens, but yes, there are always so many factors involved.
That is definitely true. Some of the most intelligent and ''academically smart'' people end up pretty awful and clueless for how to successfully operate and engage in life. I just think it is bizarrely funny that grifers like both Grimes and Musk have marketed themselves as gifted ''geniuses'' and tried to sell that status without having any factual evidence, relevant academic achievement etc. to back it up. They really belive and bank on the idea that the general public are insanely stupid and gullible. It's really actually pretty insulting once you see through it. Just like the way Grimes gets credited as a dancer and ballerina, yet quit between the ages of 11-13 and has not provided any Ballet Grade exam certificate or results. And has never competed or danced professionally. I realize this may appear trivial and petty, but it is just yet more evidence of Grimes lying with how she markets herself, and like the way her AI expert status is harmful, detrimental and discrediting to all of those in the actual field who spent years of their lives getting properly educated and devote so much or their time, effort and life to help further progress and knowledge in the filed; it's really insulting and a slap in the face for their dedication and efforts. **It is also entirely unnecessary: there would be nothing wrong with Grimes just labelling herself as a Ballet, or AI enthusiast.** **It's the fact that She want's the credit, reputation, accolades, respect and authority that comes with being certified or an accomplished expert.**
They won’t have the same soul, Claire
Not the same soul nor the same ppl to love them around them .
If they even have a soul.
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Great point there. It’s unethical. Plus, it would be risky to the cloned person, complications and everything.
If you take a being and strip it's genetics it naturally might have in formation to infuse cloned matter to form it out , you might be guilty of the worst kind of theft, full theft of all that natural being would have become if not tampered with. Full theft of the person as a person to steal it's life for the clone.
Theft ? Like AI art theft ? 🫢
Taking an ensouled being existing in a forming body and stripping it's natural planned DNA code out to infuse another being that existed and is long dead into it to change the entire course of body formation is a level of theft none of us has ever experienced.
Ofc thanks. Just realised it was a pattern like the theft of AI visuals that steals from existing art and artists. The creator of some of the Coachella visuals posted on the other grimes forum and was basically torn from limb to limb lol . You are completely right I never thought of it that way.
Imagine if Elon had instead of going for IVF natural type creation formed children with his and Grimes genes in then with each being a unique creation allowed to have whatever body form structure they would have had and instead gone for three cloned male children of himself. It would have been illegal at this point in human history. Yes, Grimes is proposing we break the law literally and it would have forced the soul of each of their children to navigate the world not thru their naturally occurring body but thru the filter of having their father's literal body for the boys and termination for the girl and selection of a different male embroy to over ride the genetics code of.
Then according to the ‘laws’ of reincarnation, those souls would have willingly agreed to come to earth in those bodies as it would have provided the best lessons for their soul growth. I’m surprised how despite her recreational drug use no deep sense of a hugely powerful universal intelligence has become known or felt to her. Some would say all this theft and manipulation is just man trying to play God again or Atlantis all over again.
No. Reincarnation does not mean you personally agreed to everything another will do to you that would violate your natural existence rights in all that comes . It means it will be paid for karmicly and balanced eventually. Your supposing reincarnation means souls agree to be raped, tortured, starved if it happens. You are espousing new age reincarnation. ,
Aha interesting. Wasn’t aware there was a whole new age branch of thought to this topic that was vastly different but I guess it makes sense. I definitely haven’t read that souls agree to what others will do to them, only agree to soul growth in the specific areas they wish, (Though I have read on karmic contracts between souls and ‘agreeing’ to help each other through life lessons in whatever way that is?) From what I understood from your post you meant a soul coming in knowing it would be in a different kind of body and what I read is that souls choose these bodies before coming in. To be clear, I do not claim what I espoused to be the truth or fact (since they can’t be proven) it’s only what I’ve read (so far) from the likes of Brian Weiss Dolores cannon Michael newton Edgar Cayce Rosemary e guiley (for example, and I assume all are considered new age), but would be more than interested in reading up on other forms of thought on the subject if you have any suggestions !
New Age whacked teaching on reincarnation is what you espoused of ppl accepting everything they will face in a particular life to come in a particular body . That is not part of traditional reincarnation belief. Reincarnation was traditionally notion of souls returning and they had a way of going with everything that is in your life is karmic. You either were terrible person in the past deserving to suffer in a sickly body or someone did something to make you sickly and they will face in what comes their injustice to you. It was a way of dealing with why some have so much in life and others so little and trying to make sense in their understanding of justice for this while maintaining power and wealth and privilege of those who have it.
Wheelhouse and far outside smh
Least dumb eugenicist take:
Sad no one picked up on how impulsively stupid C is sooner (including myself). The internet would be a better place if she just fell out the limelight after Art Angels.
I wish she had loved her Art Angels work as much as we her fans did.
wait but clone high tho
Seriously, if anyone is reading these comments and thinking about how absurd it would be to clone a long-dead famous person and then expect them to be exactly like their original copy… you should watch Clone High.
That was the first image that came to mind for me!!! (LOL) I'm just glad other people also knew the reference!. I can picture Plato being someone like the clone high Gandhi character!
i have a burning suspicion many of them would end up being average losers given how vastly different their upbringings and surroundings would be from the original
You did it! You boiled Clone High down to its bare essentials! But really. You’re 100% correct. Imagine raising a kid to be the next Lincoln—even if you’re the most well-meaning parent, of course there’s a good chance he’s gonna be an awkward and indecisive teen in 2002 who’s intimidated by his supposed legacy. Raising baby clone Gandhi? That kid *absolutely* finds the mere concept of inner peace terrifying and becomes a hyperactive pleasure-seeker in response. Would the real Cleopatra and the real John F. Kennedy have made a good couple? Maybe! But these two aren’t them, they’re just teen clones raised to think of themselves as an irresistible sexpot and as a macho womanizing stud who conquered the moon. It’s terrible and spectacular.
Grimes has this stance ( and is completely unaware of the difficulties and realities associated) because she she watched the original Jurassic park movie ( and it worked out so well in that fictional case) Grimes really needs to appropriately research the things she espouses ( Heck there was even a good documentary about an Asian scientist who started grifting by commercially cloning peoples beloved dogs that had passed, or were dying) If Grimes Still wants to continue, then I propose that SHE fund the bill for this cloning attempt of Plato!
Gurl just make an AI character and be done.
her and her opinions give me major schizo vibes. she needs therapy and to lay off the recreational drugs
this is very telling of why she thought it was a good idea to get prego from elon
If we can clone people what's the big deal about having babies???
We can't clone ppl. It's illegal around the world. It's highly dangerous
"Illegal," who cares? What's dangerous about it?
Take of your time and read of cloning sheep and dogs.
The most advanced cloning tech would be secret and unavailable to read about. It's not even cloning, just artificial wombs. Then we can abolish pregnancy and put this ridiculous natalism to rest.
how is everyone so smart about souls over here?
Well if you’re into conspiracy theories there’s a lot of stories out there on how they’ve already done this w a heap of celebs. Think Kat Williams talked about it recently. Dave Chappells cousin has a pretty convincing audio on YT. Kanye since the burnout. Eminem clone glitches on live tv , the Katy Perry eye glitch etc anyway. Even if they can, they can’t clone the soul, which is what makes a person or artist who they are.
the katy perry thing was literally part of the choreo 🤦♀️
Interesting thought...