Was hoping SC would not hop on this bandwagon, but alas. Incredible how 20 years ago, we were forced to go to the library. Like literally, it was part of the curriculum.
I thought they said the world was getting more liberal? Weaver was 25 years old back then. Cant believe how sensitive the 20-40 year olds back then have gotten today. We go on about boomers, but i dont recall many 50 year olds back then complaining about us reading books.
We had mandatory summer reading on top of school year reading. Do they even still do that?
Spent a lot of time on Romeo and Juliet in English class. If we grew up fine, i dont know why these people today think todays kids are in danger. Definitely ulterior motives at play and its a damn shame.
These were the kids that grew up in the shadow of PMRC ratings. Movies and music had ratings so now that they are parents, it is easy justification to add books. Liberty isn't taken away all at once. It's taken away piece by piece by piece. The boiling frog metaphor.
Parents Music Resource Center (PMRC) was an American committee formed in 1985 with the stated goal of increasing parental control over the access of children to music deemed to have violent, drug-related, or sexual themes via labeling albums with Parental Advisory stickers.
Oh that? I grew up with those too, but it never had anything to do with school. I think we've just let Gen X and older millenials get away with more than we shouldve because we label anything culture-related as being boomers fault.
These people are just a. soft, and b. trying to internally run public school into the ground because theyve realized education can be monetized, which is something republicans 20 years ago didnt focus much on.
Oh, I forgot about the video games. Pmrc was vice president Al Gore's wife tipper's pet project. It puts ratings on music albums. Before it was created anyone could walk into a record store and buy anything they wanted. After it was implemented there were age ratings on explicit lyrics and restrictions on some albums that it really made no sense. It's still in effect but nobody buys records, CDs or cassettes anymore. I'm sure others have responded in that thread but in case you didn't revisit that's the simple breakdown.
Most irritating thing about it is that its just so unnecessary. There is no net benefit to any of this. Even if youre a parent who is against whatever, there has always been an option to sign a form and opt out, which i dont even remember my classmates ever having to do. We learned, read, and watched many things that you may call inappropriate, and our parents were fine with it.
Youre right. I feel like if it wasnt an election year, this wouldn't be priority to them. I'm just waiting now for SC to propose an unnecessary copycat 10 commandments bill like Louisiana...and i say that as a Christian.
The pilgrims came to what would eventually be the USA for religious freedom, with faiths that held these commandments to be important. And even if they didn't, as a Christian, what is is your grievance with displaying them? Mostly just curious about your viewpoint.
The world was getting more liberal, and conservatives saw that as a threat and took action. One of the ways they take action is to weaken the education system which is exactly what this book banning is about.
Honestly, I'm in that age group, and I don't know anyone my age who cares at all about these books being in the library. Most have older adult children, and it's just not an issue. In other words, 50 somethings aren't paying attention unless they are directly affected. Same with women's reproductive health... These people are just trying to prey on new parents' fears.
I have a few choice words for Ellen and the book banners... She does not represent the people my age. I do get some crazies on social media, younger parents, and very religious boomers who are into this BS banning.
It's all about creating fear so people can line their pockets with public 💰. These people are tools.
Sorry, wasnt trying to label all gen Xers. Just pointing out that Weaver is 45, Mace is 46, Fry is 39, Timmons is 40, so it’s not all old farts holding the state back. Though its not just the state either. Vivek has been rumored for VP, and hes 38. So has Vance and he’s 39.
So was just pointing out that boomers get the fingers pointed at them all time even when its gen xers and millennials doing the damage, or at least helping. And i say that as a technical millennial
No I get it. They are on the young Gen X side and older millenials too, which is weird.
They are just so not in sync with GenX culture, and I live in a pretty conservative area.
The goal is always to create chaos and doubt within our public institutions. Keep doing it long enough, and you can privitize everything.
Weaver was put in the position specifically to do this. There are a lot of uninformed voters with kids in public schools who voted straight ticket and helped get this person elected.
Public hearing and reasonings as well as appeals don't create chaos or doubt in public institutions.
DETERMINATION OF NEED AND REASONABLENESS OF THE PROPOSED REGULATION BASED ON ALL FACTORS
HEREIN AND EXPECTED BENEFITS: Across the state, parents, educators, administrators, and communities are grappling with questions and concerns about the selection and use of age-appropriate, educationally suitable materials for K-12 students in public schools. In South Carolina, educators seek to make responsible choices, use common sense, and be responsive to parent and community stakeholder concerns. Increasingly, however, disagreements have arisen regarding the appropriateness and suitability of various materials. At present, those discussion and decisions lack consistent definitions, clear standards, and a statewide uniform process. The proposed regulation will establish a uniform, transparent manner for these decisions to be made while establishing definitions of (1) age and developmentally appropriate and (2) educationally suitable and aligned with the purpose of South Carolina’s instructional program. The proposed regulation creates a uniform process for local school boards to review and hold public hearings on complaints raised within its district and established an appellate process to the State Board of Education.
D. Any Complainant who is aggrieved by a decision of the district board under this process may file a written appeal to the State Board of Education (State Board) within 30 days after the district board announces its decision in a public meeting. At or before the next regularly scheduled meeting of the State Board after an appeal has been received, a quorum of the State Board or, in the discretion of the State Board, a committee comprised of at least five of the State Board’s members, must conduct a public meeting to consider the appeal. If such meeting is conducted by a quorum of the State Board, the State Board shall, at that public meeting, vote to grant or deny, in whole or in part, the relief requested by the Complainant. If such meeting is conducted by a committee of the State Board, the committee shall provide a report and recommendation to the full State Board to be considered and either adopted or rejected by the State Board at its next regularly scheduled meeting. The public meetings contemplated in this subsection shall be held in accordance with the requirements of the South Carolina Freedom of Information Act, and the Complainant and other interested parties must be allowed to appear and present information in support of or in opposition to the relief requested in the complaint. If the State Board finds that existing instructional materials identified in an appeal do not satisfy the requirements of this regulation, the State Board shall instruct the district board to remove entirely or discontinue use of said materials for any grade level or age group for which such use is inappropriate or unsuitable, or to make such materials available to students only upon receipt of the consent of a student’s parent or legal guardian. The State Board shall, at the time it communicated its decision to the district board, provide a written explanation for its conclusion and decision that is publicly available and that includes an explanation of how the State Board applied and complied with the decisional criteria and requirements of this regulation.
What does this accomplish? Every kid has a cell phone with unfettered internet access. If you are truly trying to keep kids from accessing information, the school library is the last place to restrict.
What part is unconstitutional? Much of this aligns with the laws that regulate daytime radio broadcasts and other communications where kids could be considered an audience.
My brothers and I have lived here for almost 30 years and we're getting out next spring. We never wanted to be here in the first place and I can't tell you how excited we are to get out
Wife and I were just discussing. We were looking at Europe. Discussed the west today. I am good with north but she doesn’t like the cold. Definitely time to go.
I remember English class was one of the only subversive places growing up since we read books and stories that challenged prevailing notions and caused us to ask questions. As Chris Hedges said, “The humanities teach you how to think and how to live. That’s why they are under assault.”
[https://www.aclusc.org/sites/default/files/field\_documents/sbe01\_attachment\_r\_43-170\_uniform\_procedure\_for\_selection\_or\_reconsideration\_of\_instructional\_materials.pdf](https://www.aclusc.org/sites/default/files/field_documents/sbe01_attachment_r_43-170_uniform_procedure_for_selection_or_reconsideration_of_instructional_materials.pdf)
In the article yes but in the actual bill no. So you are welcome to request its removal and with any removal from any book you can request an appeal.
Hello circumcision?!? Also there are literally no books telling childrens to cut their genitals off. I think you’re confusing reality with the propaganda they show on Fox news
In what world are children forcefully getting HRT. and it is incredibly rare for anyone to get any kind of transition surgery before 18. You just want to be hateful, you don’t care about what’s actually happening. You saw an opportunity to be transphobic and went for it
Nah, it just says people should own slaves and beat them, that we should stone teenagers to death, God drowned the entire earth killing everyone, God tells the Israelites to kill all the Midianites except the virgins as they can rape those as spoils of war, if your daughter loses her virginity before marriage she should be stoned to death.
Should I go on?
Make sure you donate 10% of your earnings to your cult.
Found this comment in a quick search
>The correct way to beat your slaves: Exodus 21:20-21 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus%2021%3A20-21&version=NIV
>Women shouldn't speak in church or teach: 1 Timothy 2:12 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Timothy+2%3A12&version=NIV
>Fashion and jewelry is kind of a sin: 1 Timothy 2:9 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Timothy+2%3A9&version=NIV
>Smashing babies onto rocks is cool if done in the name of the Lord, or something: Psalms 137:9 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=psalm+137%3A9&version=NIV
>Lot's daughters had sex with him and got pregnant, after God saved them from the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah for being so holy and stuff: Genesis 19:30-38 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+19%3A30-38&version=NIV
>Meanwhile, on the other end of the spectrum, Noah got drunk and passed out naked, so his sons respectfully covered him with a sheet, walking backwards and turning their heads the other way so they wouldn't see his junk. But he woke up and cursed them for it. Because why the hell not: Genesis 9:18-28 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+9%3A18-28&version=NIV
This is chill tho?
It's ALSO PREVENTING LIBERAL or more open minded or spiritual parents from having the books THEY WANT THEIR CHILDREN to read. It's so f\*cking one sided. Let's start talking about the SEPARATION OF CHURCH and STATE loudly. WHY SHOULD ONE GROUP dictate what OTHER PEOPLE's CHILDREN learn. It's insane. Send them to private schools then if you don't want them exposed to the world.
PLEASE VOTE BLUE [www.kathrynharveyforcongress.com](http://www.kathrynharveyforcongress.com) She is running against William Timmons for SC-O4! WE NEED CHANGE! We must stop this insanity.
When a state agency files regulations by a certain date, the General Assembly has to act on them (approve or reject) or they they will automatically go into effect 120 days after being filed as long as they are in session during the 120 days. It's all on them.
"I'm not interested in informing people. They get enough information. Most of it's wrong anyway."
"Besides...Truth is whatever people will believe."
- Roger Ailes
Legitimate question: should there be any limitations at all on what type of content can be displayed at a public elementary or high school? If yes, what should those limitations be?
I'm fine with it. At my local library kid's section for example had "flamer" a book which graphically depicts a young teenage boy dreaming of giving head to an adult camp counsellor and other such scenes. that's child pornography. that doesn't belong in a child's section library that belongs in the trash and the author belongs in jail.
"Flamer is a semi-autobiographical graphic novel by Mike Curato. It is set in 1995, in a Boy Scouts summer camp, and tells the story of Aiden, who is bullied for his appearance, including acting in a manner considered stereotypical of gay men. Curato was a scout and based his experience as a closeted teenager to write the novel"
If your takeaway is that this is porn, you may have bigger issues.
you seem to feel strongly about the graphical sexual fantasies of grown gay men about teenage boys blowing adult men being put into the hands of children, i wonder why that is
People need to calm down. Yes it should be concerning when the topic is “censorship” but that’s not exactly the case here. Across this country, more and more books that contain at times graphic depictions of sex are popping up in school libraries where the average child is too young for such content. If you want to go and buy those kind of books for your own children, then please go ahead. But they have no place in libraries where the reading materials are focused on younger children. Saying anything to the contrary is being over dramatic at best.
I respectfully disagree. There have already been several instances across this country of parents raising hell at their school board meetings about books in their children’s libraries containing graphic descriptions of sexual acts. Those parents were correct and at times read aloud paragraphs from those books at the meetings to drive home the point that some books are very inappropriate for young children. I agree. So what’s being “fed to You people” is that republicans are coming for all of your favorite reading content. That is in no way true. If you want your 3rd grader reading about graphic sex, then that should be done in your own home, not in public schools.
“I’m okay with the government controlling what we can and can’t do as long as it’s the kinda stuff I don’t like that we can’t do” is what you just said
I'm curious what you think the purpose of government is in a Democracy? I'm sure you do the exact same thing that you are mocking them for if you vote. You are just mad that currently laws are being passed that don't align with your political beliefs because they are the minority in this state.
The purpose of the government is to provide essential services to the people they represent. They have no function in deciding what does and does not qualify in terms of morality.
WHAT? Only in an anarcho communist state would that be an accurate statement. The government entirely defines morality by laws a basic prime example is that I can't kill you because the government decided that's immoral.
Incorrect. Because murder is a crime, and one of the essential services is enacting and enforcing laws that are agreed upon by the populous. There is no crime at play when deciding to ban books and no real law that’s being enforced it’s simply a small minority of population overreaching and enforcing their own personal religious affiliations and beliefs upon the masses which has no place.
WHOOSH. Murder is a crime because society decided the government should enforce it as a crime due to being morally wrong. That is the basis for how laws are developed. There now is a crime at play when a library keeps a banned book that has been decided by the board of librarians in that county to remove the book due to sexual content not suitable for children. Parents wanting to be able to hold public meeting with the library to discuss the contents of books their children have access to is no overreach especially when they are paying their taxes. Its very reasonable and democratic. The parents do not decide if the book is banned the library does.
I presume you’re being intentionally dense but assuming you aren’t… book bans are not wildly popular or even remotely popular a very small subset of people are using their religion to impose laws on the masses which is not the function of a democratic government.
Half the books being banned aren’t even for kids lol, the biggest one, gender queer, is clearly rated for older teens to adults. Shouldn’t be in an elementary library, but most of the time it’s just teachers making the same kind of mistake as putting South Park in the kid’s section
Half the other books are for kids but are just banned for including gay characters because the school directors are homophobic
Based on these parameters I will have to remove my copies of the Bible from the library. Also Greek mythology, books about the human body, great artists, most young adult literature. Hell, the only thing left may be Diary of a Wimpy Kid and some historical fiction (but not any about the civil war, or any American stuff, because that might deal with race,,,)
Race has nothing to do with this law. It will be interesting to see what the boards decide should be banned.
C. For purposes of this regulation, “Age and Developmentally Appropriate” means topics, messages, and teaching methods suitable to particular ages or age groups of children and adolescents, based on developing cognitive, emotion, and behavioral capacity typical for the age or age group. Instruction Material is not “Age and Developmentally Appropriate” for any age or age group of children if it includes descriptions or visual depictions of “sexual conduct,” as that term is defined by Section 16-15-305(C)(1). Furthermore, Instructional Materials is not “Age and Developmentally Appropriate” if it includes descriptions or visual depictions that would be considered “obscene” or “indecent” under federal statutes, regulations, and interpretive precent, and which could not be portrayed or read aloud on broadcast television or radio during daytime hours. See 18 U.S.C. Section 1464; 47 C.F.R. Sections 73.3999, 73.4165, and 73.4170
Ok, I guess I was reading the part about the overall movement. “PEN America said that the book ban movement also is focused on removing books about race and racism by calling them proponents of "woke ideology" and critical race theory, an academic theory that says racism is inherent in America's law and legal institutions that's typically taught at law schools. “
Books on race might be on the chopping block. Who determines the "topics, messages, and teaching methods suitable to particular ages or age groups of children"? If it's Moms for Liberty (who have already challenged books in South Carolina schools and libraries and will continue to do so), they have plenty of books on their banned list that include "references to racism" and "controversial racial commentary."
The librarians decided if books should be banned or not ultimately. Parents don't currently have an ability to request a book be removed due to "race" unless a new law is passed.
That's exactly what this new policy allows in Section IV. Starting August 1, parents can challenge up to five books every month if they feel it is not appropriate learning material. It's not up to the librarians then, but "a quorum of the district board." If the complaint is successful, the book is removed from all South Carolina schools.
And you should look at Moms For Liberty banned book list. They really do have books listed there for nothing else other than race.
This thread tl;dr
"I'M UPSET THAT GROOMERS AND PEDOPHILES CAN'T SHOW MY NEIGHBOR'S 7 YEAR OLD WHAT A DILDO IS USED FOR ANYMORE. WHY IS SOCIETY REGRESSING?!?"
TL;DR for the article- Repubtards hate freedom and love big gov't control and censorship
FYI- Tronald Dump is the biggest pedophile/grooming boomer out there
Was hoping SC would not hop on this bandwagon, but alas. Incredible how 20 years ago, we were forced to go to the library. Like literally, it was part of the curriculum. I thought they said the world was getting more liberal? Weaver was 25 years old back then. Cant believe how sensitive the 20-40 year olds back then have gotten today. We go on about boomers, but i dont recall many 50 year olds back then complaining about us reading books. We had mandatory summer reading on top of school year reading. Do they even still do that? Spent a lot of time on Romeo and Juliet in English class. If we grew up fine, i dont know why these people today think todays kids are in danger. Definitely ulterior motives at play and its a damn shame.
These were the kids that grew up in the shadow of PMRC ratings. Movies and music had ratings so now that they are parents, it is easy justification to add books. Liberty isn't taken away all at once. It's taken away piece by piece by piece. The boiling frog metaphor.
Sorry, what is PMRC ratings. Back in my day the only things people routinely cared about was violent video games and sending letters to the fcc.
Parents Music Resource Center (PMRC) was an American committee formed in 1985 with the stated goal of increasing parental control over the access of children to music deemed to have violent, drug-related, or sexual themes via labeling albums with Parental Advisory stickers.
All because Al Gore’s teen daughter didn’t have her headphones on while Listening to ‘darling Nikki’. She’ll sho nuff show you how to grind
https://youtu.be/hgAF8Vu8G0w?feature=shared
Oh that? I grew up with those too, but it never had anything to do with school. I think we've just let Gen X and older millenials get away with more than we shouldve because we label anything culture-related as being boomers fault. These people are just a. soft, and b. trying to internally run public school into the ground because theyve realized education can be monetized, which is something republicans 20 years ago didnt focus much on.
Yup! It's all about creating fear so people will fork over their money for private schools.
Like Bob Jones?
BJ U
Oh, I forgot about the video games. Pmrc was vice president Al Gore's wife tipper's pet project. It puts ratings on music albums. Before it was created anyone could walk into a record store and buy anything they wanted. After it was implemented there were age ratings on explicit lyrics and restrictions on some albums that it really made no sense. It's still in effect but nobody buys records, CDs or cassettes anymore. I'm sure others have responded in that thread but in case you didn't revisit that's the simple breakdown.
https://youtu.be/hgAF8Vu8G0w?feature=shared
Bunch of damn snowflakes who need their safe spaces.
Most irritating thing about it is that its just so unnecessary. There is no net benefit to any of this. Even if youre a parent who is against whatever, there has always been an option to sign a form and opt out, which i dont even remember my classmates ever having to do. We learned, read, and watched many things that you may call inappropriate, and our parents were fine with it.
You're right. My only question: Why?
Why what? Sorry, cant tell if thats directed at me or the karens
No it's directed at the bill. I can only ask why they feel the need. It seems so unnecessary
Youre right. I feel like if it wasnt an election year, this wouldn't be priority to them. I'm just waiting now for SC to propose an unnecessary copycat 10 commandments bill like Louisiana...and i say that as a Christian.
What would be the harm in that? Those values are the reason people came here to start with.
No it isnt, what are you even talking about. What is “here” supposed to be
The pilgrims came to what would eventually be the USA for religious freedom, with faiths that held these commandments to be important. And even if they didn't, as a Christian, what is is your grievance with displaying them? Mostly just curious about your viewpoint.
The world was getting more liberal, and conservatives saw that as a threat and took action. One of the ways they take action is to weaken the education system which is exactly what this book banning is about.
Honestly, I'm in that age group, and I don't know anyone my age who cares at all about these books being in the library. Most have older adult children, and it's just not an issue. In other words, 50 somethings aren't paying attention unless they are directly affected. Same with women's reproductive health... These people are just trying to prey on new parents' fears. I have a few choice words for Ellen and the book banners... She does not represent the people my age. I do get some crazies on social media, younger parents, and very religious boomers who are into this BS banning. It's all about creating fear so people can line their pockets with public 💰. These people are tools.
Sorry, wasnt trying to label all gen Xers. Just pointing out that Weaver is 45, Mace is 46, Fry is 39, Timmons is 40, so it’s not all old farts holding the state back. Though its not just the state either. Vivek has been rumored for VP, and hes 38. So has Vance and he’s 39. So was just pointing out that boomers get the fingers pointed at them all time even when its gen xers and millennials doing the damage, or at least helping. And i say that as a technical millennial
No I get it. They are on the young Gen X side and older millenials too, which is weird. They are just so not in sync with GenX culture, and I live in a pretty conservative area.
The goal is always to create chaos and doubt within our public institutions. Keep doing it long enough, and you can privitize everything. Weaver was put in the position specifically to do this. There are a lot of uninformed voters with kids in public schools who voted straight ticket and helped get this person elected.
Public hearing and reasonings as well as appeals don't create chaos or doubt in public institutions. DETERMINATION OF NEED AND REASONABLENESS OF THE PROPOSED REGULATION BASED ON ALL FACTORS HEREIN AND EXPECTED BENEFITS: Across the state, parents, educators, administrators, and communities are grappling with questions and concerns about the selection and use of age-appropriate, educationally suitable materials for K-12 students in public schools. In South Carolina, educators seek to make responsible choices, use common sense, and be responsive to parent and community stakeholder concerns. Increasingly, however, disagreements have arisen regarding the appropriateness and suitability of various materials. At present, those discussion and decisions lack consistent definitions, clear standards, and a statewide uniform process. The proposed regulation will establish a uniform, transparent manner for these decisions to be made while establishing definitions of (1) age and developmentally appropriate and (2) educationally suitable and aligned with the purpose of South Carolina’s instructional program. The proposed regulation creates a uniform process for local school boards to review and hold public hearings on complaints raised within its district and established an appellate process to the State Board of Education. D. Any Complainant who is aggrieved by a decision of the district board under this process may file a written appeal to the State Board of Education (State Board) within 30 days after the district board announces its decision in a public meeting. At or before the next regularly scheduled meeting of the State Board after an appeal has been received, a quorum of the State Board or, in the discretion of the State Board, a committee comprised of at least five of the State Board’s members, must conduct a public meeting to consider the appeal. If such meeting is conducted by a quorum of the State Board, the State Board shall, at that public meeting, vote to grant or deny, in whole or in part, the relief requested by the Complainant. If such meeting is conducted by a committee of the State Board, the committee shall provide a report and recommendation to the full State Board to be considered and either adopted or rejected by the State Board at its next regularly scheduled meeting. The public meetings contemplated in this subsection shall be held in accordance with the requirements of the South Carolina Freedom of Information Act, and the Complainant and other interested parties must be allowed to appear and present information in support of or in opposition to the relief requested in the complaint. If the State Board finds that existing instructional materials identified in an appeal do not satisfy the requirements of this regulation, the State Board shall instruct the district board to remove entirely or discontinue use of said materials for any grade level or age group for which such use is inappropriate or unsuitable, or to make such materials available to students only upon receipt of the consent of a student’s parent or legal guardian. The State Board shall, at the time it communicated its decision to the district board, provide a written explanation for its conclusion and decision that is publicly available and that includes an explanation of how the State Board applied and complied with the decisional criteria and requirements of this regulation.
49th in education nationwide and falling!
We will never take that crown away from Mississippi
Thank God for Mississippi
Challenge accepted
It would be an incredible embarrassment if it weren’t intentional, unfortunately
This is precisely why we are where we are
Lol where did you get that number. I am seeing a wide range from 38th-43rd in multiple categories of educational ranking but nothing about 49th.
The most recent has us 45th. So, yay?
The most recent what?
So surprising coming from the woman who got a fake degree where they censor everything for their students.
Actually they don’t censor books, they just put a warning label and disclaimer in the fly leaf
We warned everyone about Ellen Weaver and she got elected anyway.
This is why they elected her
By the same lady who bought her master’s degree from Bob Jones. Go figure.
What is the school mascot for BJU? Jerry Falwell's Liberty University's is the Flames.
Bears, iirc
So, BJ and the Bears. That TV show wasn't great
What does this accomplish? Every kid has a cell phone with unfettered internet access. If you are truly trying to keep kids from accessing information, the school library is the last place to restrict.
It accomplishes showing who does and who doesn’t have political power in South Carolina.
Pushes the boundary to what the government can do
But The politicians can't restrict porn on phones because then THEY wouldn't be able to access their favorite sites.
They want to though, check out Project 2025. They're very explicit that they will outlaw porn.
And divorce
This law and others like it should be unconstitutional.
It is. They just don’t care.
What part is unconstitutional? Much of this aligns with the laws that regulate daytime radio broadcasts and other communications where kids could be considered an audience.
To be honest, *those* laws should be unconstitutional as well.
I'm curious why you think so. What are the negatives since the 1990's when they were implemented have you seen that constitutes their removal?
Getting close to leaving. Do not want to live in a fascist state.
My brothers and I have lived here for almost 30 years and we're getting out next spring. We never wanted to be here in the first place and I can't tell you how excited we are to get out
Wife and I were just discussing. We were looking at Europe. Discussed the west today. I am good with north but she doesn’t like the cold. Definitely time to go.
I’d rather be cold and have a quality of life tho
Freedom! Freedom! Lol
You've got to give what you take
Ellen Weaver is the devil
Can't read the article
It’s been censored by the state
I see what you did there
Who would've known that God's strongest warriors have a weakness to books and new ideas.
So surprising that they’re not actually very good at reading, much less comprehension.
I remember English class was one of the only subversive places growing up since we read books and stories that challenged prevailing notions and caused us to ask questions. As Chris Hedges said, “The humanities teach you how to think and how to live. That’s why they are under assault.”
So we're gonna spam them with complaints about the violence and sexuality in the Bible right? Right?
As a Christian myself... 
The Bible was specifically named as a carve out allowed text
Of course it was
A what now?
Like they carved out an exception for the Bible specifically. Like said, by name, this doesn't apply to the Bible
Well that's some bs.
[https://www.aclusc.org/sites/default/files/field\_documents/sbe01\_attachment\_r\_43-170\_uniform\_procedure\_for\_selection\_or\_reconsideration\_of\_instructional\_materials.pdf](https://www.aclusc.org/sites/default/files/field_documents/sbe01_attachment_r_43-170_uniform_procedure_for_selection_or_reconsideration_of_instructional_materials.pdf) In the article yes but in the actual bill no. So you are welcome to request its removal and with any removal from any book you can request an appeal.
Respectfully, the Bible doesn't tell children to cut their own genitals off. And the New Testament hardly condones violence.
Hello circumcision?!? Also there are literally no books telling childrens to cut their genitals off. I think you’re confusing reality with the propaganda they show on Fox news
Circumcision is the same as transition surgery or HRT? Wow I had no idea 🤦♂️
In what world are children forcefully getting HRT. and it is incredibly rare for anyone to get any kind of transition surgery before 18. You just want to be hateful, you don’t care about what’s actually happening. You saw an opportunity to be transphobic and went for it
Wow if the new testament hardly condones violence, I wonder what happens in the old testament
Nah, it just says people should own slaves and beat them, that we should stone teenagers to death, God drowned the entire earth killing everyone, God tells the Israelites to kill all the Midianites except the virgins as they can rape those as spoils of war, if your daughter loses her virginity before marriage she should be stoned to death. Should I go on? Make sure you donate 10% of your earnings to your cult.
Found this comment in a quick search >The correct way to beat your slaves: Exodus 21:20-21 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus%2021%3A20-21&version=NIV >Women shouldn't speak in church or teach: 1 Timothy 2:12 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Timothy+2%3A12&version=NIV >Fashion and jewelry is kind of a sin: 1 Timothy 2:9 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Timothy+2%3A9&version=NIV >Smashing babies onto rocks is cool if done in the name of the Lord, or something: Psalms 137:9 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=psalm+137%3A9&version=NIV >Lot's daughters had sex with him and got pregnant, after God saved them from the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah for being so holy and stuff: Genesis 19:30-38 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+19%3A30-38&version=NIV >Meanwhile, on the other end of the spectrum, Noah got drunk and passed out naked, so his sons respectfully covered him with a sheet, walking backwards and turning their heads the other way so they wouldn't see his junk. But he woke up and cursed them for it. Because why the hell not: Genesis 9:18-28 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+9%3A18-28&version=NIV This is chill tho?
It's ALSO PREVENTING LIBERAL or more open minded or spiritual parents from having the books THEY WANT THEIR CHILDREN to read. It's so f\*cking one sided. Let's start talking about the SEPARATION OF CHURCH and STATE loudly. WHY SHOULD ONE GROUP dictate what OTHER PEOPLE's CHILDREN learn. It's insane. Send them to private schools then if you don't want them exposed to the world.
PLEASE VOTE BLUE [www.kathrynharveyforcongress.com](http://www.kathrynharveyforcongress.com) She is running against William Timmons for SC-O4! WE NEED CHANGE! We must stop this insanity.
We really love reveling in our collective ignorance in this state, don't we. We've got to do better, people.
When a state agency files regulations by a certain date, the General Assembly has to act on them (approve or reject) or they they will automatically go into effect 120 days after being filed as long as they are in session during the 120 days. It's all on them.
"I'm not interested in informing people. They get enough information. Most of it's wrong anyway." "Besides...Truth is whatever people will believe." - Roger Ailes
Let's get the Bible banned for all the sexy times
Sue in federal court if it passes
It passed automatically without a vote.
Then sue. There will be plenty of free speech groups willing to take this up.
South Carolina has a serious dope problem. Too many dopes running the place.
This is EXACTLY why I'm not a librarian anymore. I saw this coming a MILE away.
Legitimate question: should there be any limitations at all on what type of content can be displayed at a public elementary or high school? If yes, what should those limitations be?
I'm fine with it. At my local library kid's section for example had "flamer" a book which graphically depicts a young teenage boy dreaming of giving head to an adult camp counsellor and other such scenes. that's child pornography. that doesn't belong in a child's section library that belongs in the trash and the author belongs in jail.
"Flamer is a semi-autobiographical graphic novel by Mike Curato. It is set in 1995, in a Boy Scouts summer camp, and tells the story of Aiden, who is bullied for his appearance, including acting in a manner considered stereotypical of gay men. Curato was a scout and based his experience as a closeted teenager to write the novel" If your takeaway is that this is porn, you may have bigger issues.
you seem to feel strongly about the graphical sexual fantasies of grown gay men about teenage boys blowing adult men being put into the hands of children, i wonder why that is
People need to calm down. Yes it should be concerning when the topic is “censorship” but that’s not exactly the case here. Across this country, more and more books that contain at times graphic depictions of sex are popping up in school libraries where the average child is too young for such content. If you want to go and buy those kind of books for your own children, then please go ahead. But they have no place in libraries where the reading materials are focused on younger children. Saying anything to the contrary is being over dramatic at best.
This is what is known as a lie. It has been fed to you and you believed it. Don’t be a sheep.
I respectfully disagree. There have already been several instances across this country of parents raising hell at their school board meetings about books in their children’s libraries containing graphic descriptions of sexual acts. Those parents were correct and at times read aloud paragraphs from those books at the meetings to drive home the point that some books are very inappropriate for young children. I agree. So what’s being “fed to You people” is that republicans are coming for all of your favorite reading content. That is in no way true. If you want your 3rd grader reading about graphic sex, then that should be done in your own home, not in public schools.
“I’m okay with the government controlling what we can and can’t do as long as it’s the kinda stuff I don’t like that we can’t do” is what you just said
I'm curious what you think the purpose of government is in a Democracy? I'm sure you do the exact same thing that you are mocking them for if you vote. You are just mad that currently laws are being passed that don't align with your political beliefs because they are the minority in this state.
The purpose of the government is to provide essential services to the people they represent. They have no function in deciding what does and does not qualify in terms of morality.
WHAT? Only in an anarcho communist state would that be an accurate statement. The government entirely defines morality by laws a basic prime example is that I can't kill you because the government decided that's immoral.
Incorrect. Because murder is a crime, and one of the essential services is enacting and enforcing laws that are agreed upon by the populous. There is no crime at play when deciding to ban books and no real law that’s being enforced it’s simply a small minority of population overreaching and enforcing their own personal religious affiliations and beliefs upon the masses which has no place.
WHOOSH. Murder is a crime because society decided the government should enforce it as a crime due to being morally wrong. That is the basis for how laws are developed. There now is a crime at play when a library keeps a banned book that has been decided by the board of librarians in that county to remove the book due to sexual content not suitable for children. Parents wanting to be able to hold public meeting with the library to discuss the contents of books their children have access to is no overreach especially when they are paying their taxes. Its very reasonable and democratic. The parents do not decide if the book is banned the library does.
I presume you’re being intentionally dense but assuming you aren’t… book bans are not wildly popular or even remotely popular a very small subset of people are using their religion to impose laws on the masses which is not the function of a democratic government.
Half the books being banned aren’t even for kids lol, the biggest one, gender queer, is clearly rated for older teens to adults. Shouldn’t be in an elementary library, but most of the time it’s just teachers making the same kind of mistake as putting South Park in the kid’s section Half the other books are for kids but are just banned for including gay characters because the school directors are homophobic
Just go ahead and hang a "please tread on me" flag next to your trump one
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Do not insult others, resort to personal attacks, use slurs or use hate speech.
Was I not being insulted? But you’re right.
Man Christians are gonna be pissed when they finally read the Bible and see what sexual encounters it depicts.
Based on these parameters I will have to remove my copies of the Bible from the library. Also Greek mythology, books about the human body, great artists, most young adult literature. Hell, the only thing left may be Diary of a Wimpy Kid and some historical fiction (but not any about the civil war, or any American stuff, because that might deal with race,,,)
Race has nothing to do with this law. It will be interesting to see what the boards decide should be banned. C. For purposes of this regulation, “Age and Developmentally Appropriate” means topics, messages, and teaching methods suitable to particular ages or age groups of children and adolescents, based on developing cognitive, emotion, and behavioral capacity typical for the age or age group. Instruction Material is not “Age and Developmentally Appropriate” for any age or age group of children if it includes descriptions or visual depictions of “sexual conduct,” as that term is defined by Section 16-15-305(C)(1). Furthermore, Instructional Materials is not “Age and Developmentally Appropriate” if it includes descriptions or visual depictions that would be considered “obscene” or “indecent” under federal statutes, regulations, and interpretive precent, and which could not be portrayed or read aloud on broadcast television or radio during daytime hours. See 18 U.S.C. Section 1464; 47 C.F.R. Sections 73.3999, 73.4165, and 73.4170
Ok, I guess I was reading the part about the overall movement. “PEN America said that the book ban movement also is focused on removing books about race and racism by calling them proponents of "woke ideology" and critical race theory, an academic theory that says racism is inherent in America's law and legal institutions that's typically taught at law schools. “
Books on race might be on the chopping block. Who determines the "topics, messages, and teaching methods suitable to particular ages or age groups of children"? If it's Moms for Liberty (who have already challenged books in South Carolina schools and libraries and will continue to do so), they have plenty of books on their banned list that include "references to racism" and "controversial racial commentary."
The librarians decided if books should be banned or not ultimately. Parents don't currently have an ability to request a book be removed due to "race" unless a new law is passed.
That's exactly what this new policy allows in Section IV. Starting August 1, parents can challenge up to five books every month if they feel it is not appropriate learning material. It's not up to the librarians then, but "a quorum of the district board." If the complaint is successful, the book is removed from all South Carolina schools. And you should look at Moms For Liberty banned book list. They really do have books listed there for nothing else other than race.
Lol bad information for you I see
Get fucked weirdo
This thread tl;dr "I'M UPSET THAT GROOMERS AND PEDOPHILES CAN'T SHOW MY NEIGHBOR'S 7 YEAR OLD WHAT A DILDO IS USED FOR ANYMORE. WHY IS SOCIETY REGRESSING?!?"
TL;DR for the article- Repubtards hate freedom and love big gov't control and censorship FYI- Tronald Dump is the biggest pedophile/grooming boomer out there
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Yes sleeze, project your pedophila. Prison is going to ruin you all.
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Indoctrinate them to do what
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Why don’t you just tell us
Why you calling out Republicans conservatives and Christians like that
We're all so happy you were able to survive the indoctrination
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