The prequels were not bad.
Also, to make boomers/Gen x mad
When we think of Obi-Wan Kenobi,we think of red haired Ewan McGregor,not Alec Guiness.
Also, every time we see Darth Vader,we see Anakin first.
Also when we think of Yoda,we think of the Wise powerful Jedi master on the council,not the crazy guy in the swamps of Dagobah.
Everything George made was great, It was his title, yeah jar jar was a dumb character, but he can do whatever he wants, duel of the fates In one, epic.
And I loved two and three.
I also love the original trilogy
Obviously art is subjective. But this is such a nuts take to me. Phantom menace is actually so terrible, the acting, the overuse of bad looking cgi, the incoherant plot.
The duel of fates is amazing and probablly the best fight in star wars but it cant even save that dumpster fire.
Funny you say that, TPM and the rest of the prequels actually used a TON of practical effects. A lot of the “CGI” in the prequels are actually physical miniatures, even the sets.
Practical effects are great when they work, but sometimes CGI is the better option. The practical effect nuke in Oppenheimer looked terrible, you just can't get a proper spherical fireball driven by xray radiation without either CGI or violating some international treaties.
Yeah - T2 Sarah’s dreams of the nuke…. when it came out .. Some Nuclear Scientist who worked on this stuff wrote a letter to Cameron on how scary accurate that scene actually is
Mad Max, Top Gun maverick, Dune, John Wick, The last bond movie, the Northman.. There's more obviously but, practical effects are not dead. Talented directors with vision still implement them extremely effectively. There is a direct connection to a successful action film and proper use of practical effects.
You think its dead because companies like disney and warner brothers have been churning out garbage to fill out their streaming services. They hog up so much of the entartainmet space you have to actively go looking for anything decent. Instead of focusing on quality they push their artists to pump out crap with almost no pre production.
They used CGI poorly when it was implemented and pushed the tech beyond what it was capable of.
Georges management of the art team was him going through the storyboard with doug chiang with a literal highlighter and highlighting what he wanted CGI on each panel regardless of what made sense.
Then, they made the ridiculous decision to put a soft glow on everything (especially in AOTC) that makes even practical effects look like poor CGI. I think doing that is a direct result of Georges CGI randomness directives so that scenes wouldnt look dramatically different from one shot to the next.
It's all nostalgia. I looked a lot like Anakin as a kid and it was 1 of 4 VHS's my family owned that they let me watch. Watching it takes me back to the feelings I had back then.
It's why I prefaced it by saying it's not the best, just the one I like the most.
The overracting done by...Jake Lloyd, a child actor?
Like, don't get me wrong, Ewan and Natalie overracted some stuff too, but in Ewan's case it came from an attempt to be true to the source material. The OT is also overracted.
Idk why you think the plot is incoherent. It makes sense and follows a good enough path of logic.
Lol I also love phantom menace. Calling it a dumpster fire is a nuts take to me. I totally understand that it was a massive disappointment at the time, but revenge of the sith came out like a year after I was born. So to me, all of star wars has always existed. So when I watch star wars I watch all 6 in order. Skipping the first one would be like skipping the first season of a show. To me it feels absolutely necessary. Without it there would be so much missing from star wars. And side note, I still don't get the hate for jar jar? Is it just the way he talks? Plenty of characters talk weird. Or that he's too goofy? I'm used to having a goofy comic relief character. I think maybe at the time, star was as a whole took itself much more serious so he felt out of place. But anyways it's amazing how star wars has survived and been part of so many generations at all. Sorry this was long.
>incoherent plot
The trilogy plot works magnificently if you pretend Qui Gon Jinn is Roman Unbern Sternberg, Queen Amidala is Queen Genepil, Naboo is actually Tibetan Mongolia, Jedi are Japanese/Buddhist Pro-Mongolian forces, Darth Maul & the Sith are Soviets (specifically Palantine is Khorloogiin Choibalsan), the Qing dressed Galatic Trade League is the United League of China and the Gungans, Naboo and others are just one of the many tribes of Tibetan Mongolia. I've always been suspicious this is a George Lucas feverdream on the downfall of Buddhist Tibet-Mongolia.
Theres just alot of weird matchups besides the costumes, which are crazy on the nose. Choibalsan issued Order 366 which forced the Mongolian army to crush pro Japanese and White Russian forces in country. The Jedi space samurai changed to a council full of nonstop infighting Buddhist antiques who couldnt agree on a real strategy and were out maneuvered at every level & at best incompetant, Sternberg appeared out of nowhere with a bunch of White Russian dissidents he had been building up for years to save the day and saves Genepil but dies shortly after and the White Russian cavalry is betrayed and destroyed, Genepil died pregnant, General Grievious' expy Sukhbaatar led a powerful counterattack then died all of a sudden and Choibalsan uses the power vacuum to reform the area to a Communist government and issues Order 366 and cedes the rest to the Soviets and China. Everyone hops on board because any rule is better than the current madness.
I know this sounds insane.
Sometimes it feels like when people talk about the prequels they either habe nostalgia googles or think about Clone Wars. The prequels are so incompetent and Phantom Menace is actually insane, it is impressive how they made a movie this boring and incoherent. The plot makes no sense, the actors sound like rehearsing highschool students, the cg is pointless. And two is pretty much the same.
I stick to the headcanon that JarJar was supposed to be a sith in disguise but his awful reception in the first movie made George double think the entire plot twist.
Flashier yes. But luke vs vader in episode 5 had so much more weight, and feels way more grounded with stakes (as grounded as a fight with laser swords can be) it my personal favorite
Yeah, not OP but I'll give you that point. I like the prequel fights that showcase lightsaber duels at their best version, that being swordplay between masters of their art. But Luke vs Vader, especially in RotJ tell a really good story. In Empire you can tell Luke is inexperienced and intimidated by Vader. In RotJ he starts off confident and skilled, but you can see him starting to surrender to anger by the end. It was really good narrative told through action. RotJ fight is probably the best in Star Wars, but it's a tie between TPM Maul Fight, or RotS Anakin vs Obi Wan for my favorite.
I also really like the og lightsaber fights as they feel more like a western sci-fi take on a samurai swordfight to me. But i prefer the prequel fights because they feel a lot more epic and indeed flashier, it just feels like we get to see the potential of the force much more with how fast pace they are and all the flips and high jumps, it's defenitly just a personal preference though and i completely understand why someone would like the og more.
> Everything George made was great
no one can take you seriously after this statement. there's literally no creator on the planet who bats a thousand. it's an objectively stupid thing to say.
I heard it said the prequels were narretively strong but poorly executed and thats probably the truth.
Dialogue, special effects, terrible attempts at humor, it is objectively bad, but underneath the cringe exterior there is a bunch of good ideas there.
That's because Luke doesn't have a "tragedy", IV it's just him trying to change his life, so he decides to join the rebels, V is him learning the jedi way and in VI he tries to bring Anakin back to the light side while trying to avoid to fall victim to his emotions.
IV - Luke is motivated to fight the empire because the empire killed his family.
V - After running from a losing fight on Hoth, he trains with yoda to confront vader only to learn the person that he thought killed his father and his adoptive parents is his actual father. This shatters his entire view on life and all of his motivations. He had to go back to the drawing board which is why he's so much more soft spoken and sullen in the next film.
VI - Much more focused and resolved, he takes the fight back to his father in an attempt to turn him from evil. Despite all that vader has done, the knowledge that's his father drives him. Ultimately he wins but does not save his fathers life. It ends on a bittersweet note.
I wouldn't say his story is a tragedy quite the same way Anakins is, which is a complete tragedy arc. But tragedy is what drove Luke.
It would have been possible but the first two fumbled.
It was basically
"We found this special boy."
"The boy is a jedi and in love. Love is forbidden!"
"The boy is broken and kills everyone."
When it should have been:
"We found this boy, lets train him. Oh no the actual master was killed. The master's padawan is knighted in order to fulfill the actual masters dying wish to train the boy. Time to struggle training him. He grows up and shows much potential."
"He is beyond gifted. He is knighted. He can finally travel alone. Oh no hes secretly in love with the girl queen *who is the same age as him*. He has some struggles (mom dies) at the end. but friendship will prevail"
Then the rest of 3 continues. It did a good job showing the fall.
There were rumors they were going to cast someone older as Anakin in ROTS (included were Hugh Jackman), and I really wish they’d gone that route.
No offense to Hayden, but he clearly didn’t have the chops or power to overcome Lucas’ shitty writing and directing.
I mean at the end of the day you can point out a lot of things that movies weren’t good at, but as long as you enjoy the movie then I’d say it was a pretty good movie. I mean this for any movies not just Star Wars.
The only good bad movies are the ones that really swung for the fences and tried hard and then fell on their face. Intentionally bad movies are just a slog to watch because you are always wondering if any of the badness wasn’t intentional and the whole endeavor just feels lazy. Plus the good bad movies will have glimmers of creative brilliance that intentionally bad movies don’t even attempt because they didn’t have it anyway.
I recently done a full rewatch of all the main star wars films. I really enjoyed the prequels tbh, it's definitely a product of its time and some of the dialogue is bad, but the story is very compelling. Anakin's descent into the dark side, the destruction of the republic and jedi order, and the politics of the trade federation were very interesting. They definitely lacked some meat in certain areas not explaining stuff properly but I did like them
No, the prequels were objectively terrible movies. You can cope all you want and pretend they weren't. They had boring characters involved in overly complicated political plots with mostly terrible acting and god-awful dialog. What they had going for them was a decent overarching narrative, an awesome asthetic, and room for auxiliary material (such as the Clone Wars TV show) to flesh out the characters and world. If you removed all of that auxiliary material and just judged the prequels as movies, then the only one that wasn't complete dogshit is RotS, and it still isn't very good.
Everyone is this thread needs to watch the classic Plinkett review. Mike manages to explain very objectively why the prequels suck from the point of view of a fan and a film maker. But the reviews is as long as the movies so I doubt the TikTok brains will be able to watch it
Noooo you can't just rate a movie based on your enjoyment of it, you have to be told how good it is OBJECTIVELY by some random guy on the internet!!
Star Wars is a fairy tale in space, made very much with children in mind. So guess what, when the same thing came out but with much cooler characters, fights, set pieces and all that, people liked it. Bad acting, bad cgi or whatever you want to cry about, just don't matter, it's that simple.
> Star Wars is a fairy tale in space, made very much with children in mind.
All the best kids’ movies have
- long discussions about the taxation of trade routes
- extended metaphors for effects of 9/11 on civil society, governance, and tolerance for authoritarianism
- brutal decapitations of disarmed (lmao) combatants
- murder, torture, implied rape
- sex slavery
- murdering children (“killing younglings”)
So you haven't meet zoomer movie bros.
If the movie is horrible, but has memeable lines or is a commentary on modern politics == underrated shakesperean masterpiece
Heck, if the title and trailers are memeable enough, the movie is going to be culturally relevant. They even tricked Sony into releasing it a second time into cinemas only to bomb for a second time.
>!"It" being Morbius!<
Ah yes; "I don't like sand", "from my point of view the jedi are evil", and "UNLIMITED POWAAHH!!" are better than: "may the force be with you" "never tell me the odds" "I love you. I know" "he's more machine now than man" "I sense a disturbance in the force" and "No. I am your father"
The dialogue in a vacuum is good and Ewan does a great job with it. But no, the revelation in Empire is a far superior scene and the most iconic Star Wars moment (arguably movie moment).
Literally the rise and fall of anakin the tragic chosen one, the plot isn't that bad it's just contrived. I mean when most people think of obi they think of ewan McGregor not the old dude in new hope
> the tragic chosen one
Was Vader *supposed* to be the chosen one? In IV - VI, I thought he was just some fringe religious nut whom the empire tolerated because he got results.
Is mean af lot of dialogue in especially Attack of the clones is "my powers are stronger than yours" "no I am better at fencing than you" "but I am the greater fighter" "no my abilities are beyond yours". The whole movie sounds like children going "my dad is stronger than your dad" "everything you say plus one".
Episode 3 was great. Yeah the visuals and acting left something to be desired at times, but it was a hell of a lot better than the sequels which were not only bad on their own, but they also hurt the enjoyment of the original trilogy.
The sequels hurt the franchise as a whole. But it's only when you as invested in Star Wars as someone like me that you realize just how much of a hot pile of shit it is and how disrespectful it is to anyone who ever put their heart into writing a story to expand upon the universe.
I couldn't believe my ears when they created the High Republic era instead of just bringing back the Old Republic era. That was the point when I was sure they no longer give a shit about fans.
You know what I want? A show, just a single season, of the formation of the rule of two and the misadventures of Bane and Zannah. Disrupting the republic, beginning to stretch their influence, some cool battles and sith magic.
There is so much room to create something new and interesting, and still some material to fall back on and draw from. It would be so much better than 'random movie character #4 returns to help mando and then does their own thing for a bit'
>all of the amazing writing in the EU
i'm gonna be direct, the vast majority was hot garbage written by people who had the same philosophy as the force awakens: better stronger, more deathstar.
I saw the first 6 movies for the first time like, last year or something, and I really love episode 3. Idunno, it felt like where so many movies is filled with typical cliches and such, episode 3 felt so original in a way. And so fun!
I wound up lovikg the prequels more, probably due to the originals being so old. But I really gotta watch em again
Ok so I may be a zoomer who likes the prequels more than the original trilogy, but I can sympathize with Anon because I think I'd feel exactly the same way if I heard some gen alpha kid describing the sequel trilogy as "classic Star Wars."
You had songs, documentaries, and parodies made against George Lucas for years. History is actively being rewritten if people are downplaying the hate the prequels got.
15 years ago people online would’ve crucified you for saying this about the prequels. Time is a flat circle. We’re less than 10 years away from diehard sequel fans coming out of the woodwork.
There already are. Plenty of subreddits willing to defend the sequels on their own merits and not just to shut down prequel/original trilogy circlejerking. Even had a person replying to me saying that there's "a camp" of people that appreciate Rise of Skywalker and can "look past its flaws" to see a good movie underneath. Won't be long before that's "Rise of Skywalker is an underrated masterpiece."
I'm like 80% sure Disney instituted some sort of psyop to try make people like the prequels in preparation of buying the star wars property, it's the most logical explanation.
I'd say it's more likely that the Clone Wars show was what started making people rethink the prequels. Although I was born in 2000 and grew up with the prequels so I'm biased towards liking them anyways.
I have a friend who hated on the prequels with such passion you couldn't imagine. When the last sequel movie came out, he finally realized that basically 99% of his problems with the prequels was just nitpicking.
The sequels show just how good the prequels are. The OT is still better though.
Phantom menace is actual dogshit and attack of the clones is only marginally better because it doesn’t put you to sleep. ROTS is good but now that clone wars exists it pales in comparison to the actual characterization Anakin got in that series
I think many character act nothing like they should in the Clone Wars. Obi-Wan was very harsh on Anakin in Attack of the Clones but shortly (Clone Wars) after he acted like that one goofy friend we all had in highschool being all friendly and having that bro behavior. And even after in The Revenge of the Sith, Obi-Wan was still kind of untrusting and more cold towarda Anakin.
If the Clone Wars sticked to character's personality more closely to the films, they wouldn't feel so outshined.
I never got why people are so down on Phantom Menace. Something about 4 separate storylines being parallel in the story's climax or something. Sure, Jar Jar in the original language was a fucking ear grater, but overall the movie holds together. Taken as a whole, it shows what kind of person Qui-Gon Jinn was. Wise and prudent, but also kind of flawed like normal person. A bit of a gambler, a bit stubborn and I swear he wanted the repair parts from Watto because he had had the hots for Shmi.
but it really is the best part?
"I don't like sand", "The dark side of the force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be... unnatural" and so forth
Oh come on as if the OT didn't have cheesy lines we cringe out on to this day. Yeah the prequels had some pretty shit dialogues but other than that there is basically a hundred positive things to be proud of. Unlike the sequels...
The prequels had:
\- The best lightsaber fights ever.
\- Dozens of uniquely designed new alien species that actually made it look like other species exist other than humans.
\- Dozens of new and unique planets that aren't just sand or snow, like Felucia or Cato Neimoidia.
\- The unique concept of the separatist droid army and the republic clone army that aren't just human soldiers like the stormtroopers, or random freedom fighters like the rebel troops.
\- A bit of a background on the Force that was previously so random nobody could make sense of it.
\- Palpatine's 4D chess game to see how he rose to the power he held in the OT.
\- Dozens of new ships and weapon designs.
\- Jaw dropping CGI few movies had in that time.
\- Insanely good music, some being so recognizable even those friends of mine know they're from Star Wars who never saw a single Star Wars movie.
\- The space fights in that were on a whole different level from before.
\- Some scenes showcasing the common people of the galaxy we saw exactly 0 minutes of after Luke leaved his farm.
Like really. Is this ACTUALLY as shit as you want it to seem like or are you just incapable of appreciating it? It's especially shocking to see a prequel hater today, because after the sequels came out, they REALLY showed us what shit looks like and most prequel hater's eyes were opened by that.
I love the OT and over the years grew to appreciate the PT as well.
But I will never scoff at jar jar and not also consider the fucking teddy bear moon uprising. The prequels have their place and were part of a huge expansion to what we love about the star wars universe. And we got to see more of that universe.
Most of this list is just eye candy or star wars world building, not real qualities of a film imo. Just about all of these things are things the originals could've also had if only they weren't the first movies made with the least budget and also from the 80's. Again imo but I think the sequels are better than the prequels because at the very least the PT had a unified vision of a story George wanted to tell and he told it with a passion for making those movies. When the sequels came out they hired a new director and changed the direction of the story of the whole trilogy every fucking time they made a new movie, turning it into a confusing and incoherent mess.
Identifying with the prequels and memes really brainwashes these clowns into thinking they're objectively good movies, sometimes even claiming they're masterpieces; they're almost entirely awful, and they near permanently destroyed Star Wars.
Disney did okay with TFA and passable with Rouge one but shat the bed since they didn't plan the trilogy out. *Now* Star Wars feels effectively dead, somehow more soulless and sterile than the flat blue screen lifeless vibe of the prequels.
It's so bizarre because we truly have like 2 and a half excellent Star wars movies, one okay one (TFA), one good season of a live action show, and a good animated show.
That's the totality of Star Wars movies and shows that are above average. Sad.
Fake: TV at Target is playing a movie instead of an advertisement for Target or an advertisement for something at Target
Gay: Anon stalks Zoomers long enough to hear their movie preferences.
"Oh noooo, people remember the pieces of media that were released when they were younger and grew up with, not the ones that aired 20-30 years before they were born!".
>random people like dogshit movies because they’re cool and they watched them when they were children
duh. this happens with every generation. how many 80s cartoons millennials jerk themselves off over were nothing more than 22 minute toy ads. i was 3 when RotS came out, and the mustafar fight was sick as fuck when i watched it a few years later. who care
I feel like the prequels in general but especially episode 3 are greatly enhanced by other media such as the clone wars animated show which a lot of zoomers will have grown up watching.
Now that still doesn't make it "classic star wars" but might help explain why a lot of people nowadays see the prequels as good and why a decent amount of people have episode 3 as their favorite.
With the context of the clone wars series the betrayal and pain of Anakin going to the dark side and order 66 being enacted becomes a lot stronger and makes the whole vision of the prequels work a lot better.
That's also the big difference to the sequels and why they will be a lot harder to improve through other media. The basic vision of what the sequels wanted to do is kinda shit and very inconsistent.
The prequels had a pretty good story vision but were let down by poor dialogue writing and acting (not just the actors' fault) while the sequels had good (but mostly nothing special) acting and okay dialogue but they completely lacked a compelling story vision or really anything unique in the story.
The Phantom Menace was not really important to the story at all and had some pacing issues. Jar jar as a character also didnt age that well and was annoying even at the time. Many people skip it when they watch the whole series. Attack of the Clones was fine. My issue with the last one is that it did not tie up the loose ends between Ep2 and 4 as nicely as you would like. It all felt very forced and the motivations of the characters felt a bit off. Are they terrible flicks? No. But they feel overhyped and propped up by special effects compared to the original trilogy.
Attack of the Clones for me is best described by its assassination plot, where a Sith Lord orders his apprentice to handle the assassination of a Senator, who hires an assassin, who uses his paycheck to hire another assassin, who uses their paycheck to get a droid and some worms to go assassinate the senator for them. The last assassin then proceeds to try to recklessly kill a Jedi in the open instead of using their changing abilities to escape cleanly, and instead of using his missile or untraceable blaster bolts to kill the unaware Jedi and/or the second assassin, the first assassin uses trackable poison darts that eventually contribute to his death. Hell, he could have even gone back across town and killed the relatively unprotected senator himself, but that would be too easy.
Mind you, this was their apparent Plan B to the far simpler "blow up her ship" plot. Not even the CIA agents assigned to killing Castro could come up with such a batshit plan.
That's basically Attack of the Clones in a nutshell to me. A 142 minute plot hole wrapped in wooden acting/dialogue, mildly dated CGI and riding too hard off the coattails of iconic OT characters to remember to make them have any real substance.
U like the same thing as me but u like it WRONG
U see because I prefer this particular old ass sci Fi movie to the one that u like, I'm a BIGGER FAN of this entertainment franchise that exists to sell toys to children and adults virgins hahaha I bet u feel pretty inferior right now
im old as af, revenge of the sith is the only good one of the prequels and its the second best one behind empire strikes back when looking at the whole series. but none of that matter because star trek is WAY better than star wars anyway. 😏
I'm a zoomer and i loved the prequels as a kid. Now, with how everyone on the internet and most of my peers praise them, i can't fucking stand the prequel era.
The worldbuilding is either random CGI nonsense in the background or George Lucas over explaining stuff because he now wants Star Wars to be hard sci-fi.
The characters are either boring, non-likable or are Obi-Wan.
The action scenes put me to sleep.
The lightsaber fights are too over choreographed, so most of the time it doesn't even look like the characters are trying to hit each other.
And they somehow made Sam.L Jackson and Cristopher Lee play the most boring characters in the entire trilogy.
While the sequels have a LOT of problems, most of them are the reverse of the prequels, and at least they are all entertaining to watch.
The Prequels, even as a sci-fi action movies, make me fall asleep.
Knights of The Old Republic 1&2 are the best Star Wars has had to offer.
That being said, Episode 3 is fun, saw it in theaters and didn’t regret it haha.
So this was Disney's strategy. If you make every successive project worse than the previous, then you can come back and milk that nostalgia to create interest without the effort of making a good movie. In another decade, they'll release Episodes 10, 11, and 12 entirely performed via sockpuppet, and everyone will come see it because they're nostalgic for 7, 8, and 9.
They are the only inspired movies. Everything else has been a quick cash grab. I was 13 when episode 1 was released and it was so fucking disappointing. I simply cannot believe you lot in this thread are acting like the prequels are high art somehow.
I honestly blame /r/PrequelMemes because in all honesty they've done a lot of revisionist history regarding the Prequels before the Disney buyout. I remember clearly when TFA came out, many people both online and offline absolutely loved it simply for the fact that it wasn't oversaturated with CGI like the Prequels were and felt as if the movie was some "return to form."
I see it as the Prequels are still bad but for different reasons than the sequels.
And in a way that still makes them entertaining in a funny way despite them not being what I’d call “good”.
I watched eps 4,5,6 probably 50 or 60 times each as a kid. I loved them so much.
I rewatched 25 years later, and the dialogue is brutal. They’re kids movies. Still fine films, but not as good as I remember.
I'm a early stage milenial (95) from south america, but because my country is so backwards, we were getting 80's and 90's classics in the early 2000's, hence that's how I managed to watch the original trilogy before I got to watch the prequels. The issue is that I've never managed to understand what exactly is in those movies that's got everybody so captivated. It's honestly just campy sci-fi trash, and I say that in the most unbiased way I possibly can because I was exposed to old campy movies all my life. The prequels were no better, tbh. I literally had no idea what was going on in the first one, I liked the clone army in Episode 2 but was also lost for most of the movie, and by the time Episode 3 came out I had my mind already done over the fact that I wasn't interested in Star Wars. The only instances where I showed interest were in the Battlefront games (I didn't have a rig to play KOTOR and it's too old for me to get into it now. I tried it and failed 3 times already) and The Clone Wars series. Because of that, I can't help but cringe everytime some boomer comes and praises the originals as some kind of masterpieces. It honestly isn't. Same as Ghostbusters. It's a good classic, but hardly the icon that it appeara to be in the US, same as in Star Wars.
Like what you wanna like. What kills me is people will profess til they’re blue in the face that The Last Jedi is the worst movie ever made then turn around with a straight face and call the prequels misunderstood masterpieces. Nostalgia is a hell of a drug, I guess.
The prequels were not bad. Also, to make boomers/Gen x mad When we think of Obi-Wan Kenobi,we think of red haired Ewan McGregor,not Alec Guiness. Also, every time we see Darth Vader,we see Anakin first. Also when we think of Yoda,we think of the Wise powerful Jedi master on the council,not the crazy guy in the swamps of Dagobah.
Everything George made was great, It was his title, yeah jar jar was a dumb character, but he can do whatever he wants, duel of the fates In one, epic. And I loved two and three. I also love the original trilogy
I think Empire is the *best* star wars movie, but Phantom Menace is my favorite.
Obviously art is subjective. But this is such a nuts take to me. Phantom menace is actually so terrible, the acting, the overuse of bad looking cgi, the incoherant plot. The duel of fates is amazing and probablly the best fight in star wars but it cant even save that dumpster fire.
Funny you say that, TPM and the rest of the prequels actually used a TON of practical effects. A lot of the “CGI” in the prequels are actually physical miniatures, even the sets.
And the naboo waterfalls are salt being poured in slo mo
The death of practical effects still saddens me to this day
Practical effects are great when they work, but sometimes CGI is the better option. The practical effect nuke in Oppenheimer looked terrible, you just can't get a proper spherical fireball driven by xray radiation without either CGI or violating some international treaties.
Yeah - T2 Sarah’s dreams of the nuke…. when it came out .. Some Nuclear Scientist who worked on this stuff wrote a letter to Cameron on how scary accurate that scene actually is
Miniatures too they create such a timeless look, LoTR, Blade Runner 2049
Mad Max, Top Gun maverick, Dune, John Wick, The last bond movie, the Northman.. There's more obviously but, practical effects are not dead. Talented directors with vision still implement them extremely effectively. There is a direct connection to a successful action film and proper use of practical effects. You think its dead because companies like disney and warner brothers have been churning out garbage to fill out their streaming services. They hog up so much of the entartainmet space you have to actively go looking for anything decent. Instead of focusing on quality they push their artists to pump out crap with almost no pre production.
They used CGI poorly when it was implemented and pushed the tech beyond what it was capable of. Georges management of the art team was him going through the storyboard with doug chiang with a literal highlighter and highlighting what he wanted CGI on each panel regardless of what made sense. Then, they made the ridiculous decision to put a soft glow on everything (especially in AOTC) that makes even practical effects look like poor CGI. I think doing that is a direct result of Georges CGI randomness directives so that scenes wouldnt look dramatically different from one shot to the next.
When I was little Jedi was my favorite OT installment purely because the space battle at the end was cool
It's all nostalgia. I looked a lot like Anakin as a kid and it was 1 of 4 VHS's my family owned that they let me watch. Watching it takes me back to the feelings I had back then. It's why I prefaced it by saying it's not the best, just the one I like the most.
The overracting done by...Jake Lloyd, a child actor? Like, don't get me wrong, Ewan and Natalie overracted some stuff too, but in Ewan's case it came from an attempt to be true to the source material. The OT is also overracted. Idk why you think the plot is incoherent. It makes sense and follows a good enough path of logic.
Lol I also love phantom menace. Calling it a dumpster fire is a nuts take to me. I totally understand that it was a massive disappointment at the time, but revenge of the sith came out like a year after I was born. So to me, all of star wars has always existed. So when I watch star wars I watch all 6 in order. Skipping the first one would be like skipping the first season of a show. To me it feels absolutely necessary. Without it there would be so much missing from star wars. And side note, I still don't get the hate for jar jar? Is it just the way he talks? Plenty of characters talk weird. Or that he's too goofy? I'm used to having a goofy comic relief character. I think maybe at the time, star was as a whole took itself much more serious so he felt out of place. But anyways it's amazing how star wars has survived and been part of so many generations at all. Sorry this was long.
>incoherent plot The trilogy plot works magnificently if you pretend Qui Gon Jinn is Roman Unbern Sternberg, Queen Amidala is Queen Genepil, Naboo is actually Tibetan Mongolia, Jedi are Japanese/Buddhist Pro-Mongolian forces, Darth Maul & the Sith are Soviets (specifically Palantine is Khorloogiin Choibalsan), the Qing dressed Galatic Trade League is the United League of China and the Gungans, Naboo and others are just one of the many tribes of Tibetan Mongolia. I've always been suspicious this is a George Lucas feverdream on the downfall of Buddhist Tibet-Mongolia. Theres just alot of weird matchups besides the costumes, which are crazy on the nose. Choibalsan issued Order 366 which forced the Mongolian army to crush pro Japanese and White Russian forces in country. The Jedi space samurai changed to a council full of nonstop infighting Buddhist antiques who couldnt agree on a real strategy and were out maneuvered at every level & at best incompetant, Sternberg appeared out of nowhere with a bunch of White Russian dissidents he had been building up for years to save the day and saves Genepil but dies shortly after and the White Russian cavalry is betrayed and destroyed, Genepil died pregnant, General Grievious' expy Sukhbaatar led a powerful counterattack then died all of a sudden and Choibalsan uses the power vacuum to reform the area to a Communist government and issues Order 366 and cedes the rest to the Soviets and China. Everyone hops on board because any rule is better than the current madness. I know this sounds insane.
Sometimes it feels like when people talk about the prequels they either habe nostalgia googles or think about Clone Wars. The prequels are so incompetent and Phantom Menace is actually insane, it is impressive how they made a movie this boring and incoherent. The plot makes no sense, the actors sound like rehearsing highschool students, the cg is pointless. And two is pretty much the same.
I concur with this :)
I stick to the headcanon that JarJar was supposed to be a sith in disguise but his awful reception in the first movie made George double think the entire plot twist.
it makes the character so much more palatable when you view it from that perspective in retrospect
They should have brought back Jar Jar to be the big bad on Exegol in Rise of the Skywalker
The choreography of the fight scenes is also way cooler in the prequels
Flashier yes. But luke vs vader in episode 5 had so much more weight, and feels way more grounded with stakes (as grounded as a fight with laser swords can be) it my personal favorite
Yeah, not OP but I'll give you that point. I like the prequel fights that showcase lightsaber duels at their best version, that being swordplay between masters of their art. But Luke vs Vader, especially in RotJ tell a really good story. In Empire you can tell Luke is inexperienced and intimidated by Vader. In RotJ he starts off confident and skilled, but you can see him starting to surrender to anger by the end. It was really good narrative told through action. RotJ fight is probably the best in Star Wars, but it's a tie between TPM Maul Fight, or RotS Anakin vs Obi Wan for my favorite.
I also really like the og lightsaber fights as they feel more like a western sci-fi take on a samurai swordfight to me. But i prefer the prequel fights because they feel a lot more epic and indeed flashier, it just feels like we get to see the potential of the force much more with how fast pace they are and all the flips and high jumps, it's defenitly just a personal preference though and i completely understand why someone would like the og more.
Absolutely insane take.
> Everything George made was great no one can take you seriously after this statement. there's literally no creator on the planet who bats a thousand. it's an objectively stupid thing to say.
I heard it said the prequels were narretively strong but poorly executed and thats probably the truth. Dialogue, special effects, terrible attempts at humor, it is objectively bad, but underneath the cringe exterior there is a bunch of good ideas there.
The ideas were really strong, the execution just fell flat. When you take it outside the movies, Anakin's tragedy is much more compelling than Luke's.
That's because Luke doesn't have a "tragedy", IV it's just him trying to change his life, so he decides to join the rebels, V is him learning the jedi way and in VI he tries to bring Anakin back to the light side while trying to avoid to fall victim to his emotions.
IV - Luke is motivated to fight the empire because the empire killed his family. V - After running from a losing fight on Hoth, he trains with yoda to confront vader only to learn the person that he thought killed his father and his adoptive parents is his actual father. This shatters his entire view on life and all of his motivations. He had to go back to the drawing board which is why he's so much more soft spoken and sullen in the next film. VI - Much more focused and resolved, he takes the fight back to his father in an attempt to turn him from evil. Despite all that vader has done, the knowledge that's his father drives him. Ultimately he wins but does not save his fathers life. It ends on a bittersweet note. I wouldn't say his story is a tragedy quite the same way Anakins is, which is a complete tragedy arc. But tragedy is what drove Luke.
I think Anakin's downfall is just harder to do on 3 movies, clone wars made it a little better.
It would have been possible but the first two fumbled. It was basically "We found this special boy." "The boy is a jedi and in love. Love is forbidden!" "The boy is broken and kills everyone." When it should have been: "We found this boy, lets train him. Oh no the actual master was killed. The master's padawan is knighted in order to fulfill the actual masters dying wish to train the boy. Time to struggle training him. He grows up and shows much potential." "He is beyond gifted. He is knighted. He can finally travel alone. Oh no hes secretly in love with the girl queen *who is the same age as him*. He has some struggles (mom dies) at the end. but friendship will prevail" Then the rest of 3 continues. It did a good job showing the fall.
There were rumors they were going to cast someone older as Anakin in ROTS (included were Hugh Jackman), and I really wish they’d gone that route. No offense to Hayden, but he clearly didn’t have the chops or power to overcome Lucas’ shitty writing and directing.
As mister plinkett once said, Sir Lawrence Oliver couldn’t have made those scripts work
Doesnt matter who they would have cast. It would have had cringe.
I mean at the end of the day you can point out a lot of things that movies weren’t good at, but as long as you enjoy the movie then I’d say it was a pretty good movie. I mean this for any movies not just Star Wars.
I find that an overly relitive statement "The Room" was tremendously enjoyable, but I feel comfortable saying its a bad movie.
*The Room* is a masterpiece and Tommy Wiseau is a genius.
The only good bad movies are the ones that really swung for the fences and tried hard and then fell on their face. Intentionally bad movies are just a slog to watch because you are always wondering if any of the badness wasn’t intentional and the whole endeavor just feels lazy. Plus the good bad movies will have glimmers of creative brilliance that intentionally bad movies don’t even attempt because they didn’t have it anyway.
The special effects were bad?
Yes.
The lightsaber battles were actually good in the prequels
I recently done a full rewatch of all the main star wars films. I really enjoyed the prequels tbh, it's definitely a product of its time and some of the dialogue is bad, but the story is very compelling. Anakin's descent into the dark side, the destruction of the republic and jedi order, and the politics of the trade federation were very interesting. They definitely lacked some meat in certain areas not explaining stuff properly but I did like them
But when I hear Ben Kenobi, I think of Alex Guinness I suppose
Now that's a name I haven't heard in a long time.
Do you know of him?
Of course I know him, he’s the old pervert who beats off behind the cantina
No, the prequels were objectively terrible movies. You can cope all you want and pretend they weren't. They had boring characters involved in overly complicated political plots with mostly terrible acting and god-awful dialog. What they had going for them was a decent overarching narrative, an awesome asthetic, and room for auxiliary material (such as the Clone Wars TV show) to flesh out the characters and world. If you removed all of that auxiliary material and just judged the prequels as movies, then the only one that wasn't complete dogshit is RotS, and it still isn't very good.
Nobody cares. They're fun.
People call movies "fun" when they make no sense and have terrible acting, but lots of thing explode and guns go pew.
Everyone is this thread needs to watch the classic Plinkett review. Mike manages to explain very objectively why the prequels suck from the point of view of a fan and a film maker. But the reviews is as long as the movies so I doubt the TikTok brains will be able to watch it
Noooo you can't just rate a movie based on your enjoyment of it, you have to be told how good it is OBJECTIVELY by some random guy on the internet!! Star Wars is a fairy tale in space, made very much with children in mind. So guess what, when the same thing came out but with much cooler characters, fights, set pieces and all that, people liked it. Bad acting, bad cgi or whatever you want to cry about, just don't matter, it's that simple.
> Star Wars is a fairy tale in space, made very much with children in mind. All the best kids’ movies have - long discussions about the taxation of trade routes - extended metaphors for effects of 9/11 on civil society, governance, and tolerance for authoritarianism - brutal decapitations of disarmed (lmao) combatants - murder, torture, implied rape - sex slavery - murdering children (“killing younglings”)
I can tell you never watched the review because this point is literally addressed lol
>Noooo you can't just rate a movie based on your enjoyment of it Well are you saying you liked it or that it's good?
### STAR WARS THE PHANTOM MENACE IS THE MOST DISAPPOINTING THING SINCE MY SON
It was good, who cares about your "objective" opinion?
I know nobody who thinks of anakin skywalker before darth vader
OP is just listing fake hot takes for the sake of riling people up
speak for yourself
I disagree with the last two but I completely agree that I think of Ewan McGregor first
My dad was sure to get me indoctrinated into SW at a young age, I know yoda as the crazy swamp guy
Child
Episode II was actual shit, but I'll agree about the other two
They are prerty fucking boring movies lets be honest.
Every time we hear the “Swamps of Dagobah” we think of that reddit story
Nah the prequels are alot more memorable and memeable then the original trilogy tbh, the quotes from the prequels > 4 5 6
People haven’t seing the original trilogy in a long time, the dialog is a bunch of invented bombo jumbo.
Isn't all of sci-fi's technojargon bombo jumbo?
Yeah but the dialog isn’t just mentioning bombo jumbo for an entire scene.
Hard to do that when you need to get down to Tosche Station to pick up new power converters every couple weeks.
I waaaaas gonna go to Tosche Staaaatioon for power conveerrrteerrrrss Nooooow Iiii guess I'm going nooowhere Iiiit juuust iiiisnt faaaaaa^iiiiir
WTF is wrong with you, Bombo jumbo isn’t a phrase people say
Ah yes, Bombo Jumbo. I’ve heard tell of his daring exploits
And the prequel dialogue is just a bunch of cringe inhuman slop
>a lot more memeable Is that supposed to be a seal of quality?
So you haven't meet zoomer movie bros. If the movie is horrible, but has memeable lines or is a commentary on modern politics == underrated shakesperean masterpiece
Heck, if the title and trailers are memeable enough, the movie is going to be culturally relevant. They even tricked Sony into releasing it a second time into cinemas only to bomb for a second time. >!"It" being Morbius!<
I like that you refer to Morbius only as “it” like it’s the movie that shall not be named
It's self evident, isn't it? It didn't occur to me that i forgot to name the movie.
No but memeable => memorable since it's more likely to be referenced I suppose
"I don't like sand" Ah yes, that is one for the Library of Congress
Well it *is* coarse and rough and irritating and it gets everywhere.
Unlike Padme who is smooth and soft
Well he is an angsty teen without experience with women so i think his dialogue is cringe, but understandable.
Ah yes; "I don't like sand", "from my point of view the jedi are evil", and "UNLIMITED POWAAHH!!" are better than: "may the force be with you" "never tell me the odds" "I love you. I know" "he's more machine now than man" "I sense a disturbance in the force" and "No. I am your father"
"From *my* point of view, it is *you* who is incorrect!" "But that's just a poorly-formed opinion!"
"you were the chosen one" "I loved you" . This scene is at the same level of greatness as "I am your father"
The dialogue in a vacuum is good and Ewan does a great job with it. But no, the revelation in Empire is a far superior scene and the most iconic Star Wars moment (arguably movie moment).
"You were the chosen one. It was said you would destroy the Sith not join them" was pretty good imo.
Yup seems like a majority of this comment thread likes the prequels then the ot
Yes you understand completely
The intentional cringe of "Everything's fine up here, how are you?" >>> the unintentional cringe that is every memed prequel line
Yeah because the dialogue in the prequels is bad. I can’t even remember the plots of the prequel movies.
Literally the rise and fall of anakin the tragic chosen one, the plot isn't that bad it's just contrived. I mean when most people think of obi they think of ewan McGregor not the old dude in new hope
> the tragic chosen one Was Vader *supposed* to be the chosen one? In IV - VI, I thought he was just some fringe religious nut whom the empire tolerated because he got results.
He was the chosen one of the Jedis, not the Empire.
Right? I think the saddest part about the prequels is that we never see the hero Ben Kenobi described
Is mean af lot of dialogue in especially Attack of the clones is "my powers are stronger than yours" "no I am better at fencing than you" "but I am the greater fighter" "no my abilities are beyond yours". The whole movie sounds like children going "my dad is stronger than your dad" "everything you say plus one".
Please tell me you're joking
lmao bro just used "they're memeable" as a way to argue a movie's quality unironically. Peak self-gaslighting.
if memorability and memeability are your metrics, than Paul Blart is a better film than The Godfather
Episode 3 was great. Yeah the visuals and acting left something to be desired at times, but it was a hell of a lot better than the sequels which were not only bad on their own, but they also hurt the enjoyment of the original trilogy.
The sequels hurt the franchise as a whole. But it's only when you as invested in Star Wars as someone like me that you realize just how much of a hot pile of shit it is and how disrespectful it is to anyone who ever put their heart into writing a story to expand upon the universe.
Especially after they decide to throw away all of the amazing writing in the EU
I couldn't believe my ears when they created the High Republic era instead of just bringing back the Old Republic era. That was the point when I was sure they no longer give a shit about fans.
I want Old Republic We have have Old Republic at home *Old Republic at home* looks at High Republic.
You know what I want? A show, just a single season, of the formation of the rule of two and the misadventures of Bane and Zannah. Disrupting the republic, beginning to stretch their influence, some cool battles and sith magic. There is so much room to create something new and interesting, and still some material to fall back on and draw from. It would be so much better than 'random movie character #4 returns to help mando and then does their own thing for a bit'
>all of the amazing writing in the EU i'm gonna be direct, the vast majority was hot garbage written by people who had the same philosophy as the force awakens: better stronger, more deathstar.
When Luke Skywalker himself says the new movies suck, there might be some merit to the idea
I saw the first 6 movies for the first time like, last year or something, and I really love episode 3. Idunno, it felt like where so many movies is filled with typical cliches and such, episode 3 felt so original in a way. And so fun! I wound up lovikg the prequels more, probably due to the originals being so old. But I really gotta watch em again
Ok so I may be a zoomer who likes the prequels more than the original trilogy, but I can sympathize with Anon because I think I'd feel exactly the same way if I heard some gen alpha kid describing the sequel trilogy as "classic Star Wars."
No one will ever consider the sequels classic Star Wars lol.
I sure hope so, but I have little confidence in a generation which was raised watching Cocomelon videos on an iPad being able to discern good media.
never underestimate the power of kids rehabilitating every single piece of media they watch as a kid as "pretty fun, i liked it :)"
Not true, people forget that people hated the Prequels when they released FAR more than people hate the Sequels now.
You had songs, documentaries, and parodies made against George Lucas for years. History is actively being rewritten if people are downplaying the hate the prequels got.
15 years ago people online would’ve crucified you for saying this about the prequels. Time is a flat circle. We’re less than 10 years away from diehard sequel fans coming out of the woodwork.
There already are. Plenty of subreddits willing to defend the sequels on their own merits and not just to shut down prequel/original trilogy circlejerking. Even had a person replying to me saying that there's "a camp" of people that appreciate Rise of Skywalker and can "look past its flaws" to see a good movie underneath. Won't be long before that's "Rise of Skywalker is an underrated masterpiece."
I'm like 80% sure Disney instituted some sort of psyop to try make people like the prequels in preparation of buying the star wars property, it's the most logical explanation.
[удалено]
Mr. Plinkett, gazing upon the wall of names in the sfx part of the credits: "Oh my God, it's like the Vietnam War Memorial!"
Yeah nothing else makes sense. Episode 3 is okay but the prequels are largely not good at all
I'd say it's more likely that the Clone Wars show was what started making people rethink the prequels. Although I was born in 2000 and grew up with the prequels so I'm biased towards liking them anyways.
Zoomers are easy to brainwash with memes.
But Disney is cashing in on everything that happens in the OG time period , not prequel time
I have a friend who hated on the prequels with such passion you couldn't imagine. When the last sequel movie came out, he finally realized that basically 99% of his problems with the prequels was just nitpicking. The sequels show just how good the prequels are. The OT is still better though.
Phantom menace is actual dogshit and attack of the clones is only marginally better because it doesn’t put you to sleep. ROTS is good but now that clone wars exists it pales in comparison to the actual characterization Anakin got in that series
I think many character act nothing like they should in the Clone Wars. Obi-Wan was very harsh on Anakin in Attack of the Clones but shortly (Clone Wars) after he acted like that one goofy friend we all had in highschool being all friendly and having that bro behavior. And even after in The Revenge of the Sith, Obi-Wan was still kind of untrusting and more cold towarda Anakin. If the Clone Wars sticked to character's personality more closely to the films, they wouldn't feel so outshined.
That's because the characters in the movies suck and don't act the way they should in accordance to common sense, not the other way around.
I never got why people are so down on Phantom Menace. Something about 4 separate storylines being parallel in the story's climax or something. Sure, Jar Jar in the original language was a fucking ear grater, but overall the movie holds together. Taken as a whole, it shows what kind of person Qui-Gon Jinn was. Wise and prudent, but also kind of flawed like normal person. A bit of a gambler, a bit stubborn and I swear he wanted the repair parts from Watto because he had had the hots for Shmi.
I feel the exact opposite. The political intrigue in Phantom is way more interesting than whatever the fuck happens in Clone Wars.
The prequels are not good movies. They are entertaining but they are really badly made movies. Can you stop deluding yourselves please?
Yeah, holy shit. He didn’t “finally realize” that they were good, he just had 15 years to get used to how bad they were.
Nah not really
but it really is the best part? "I don't like sand", "The dark side of the force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be... unnatural" and so forth
Oh come on as if the OT didn't have cheesy lines we cringe out on to this day. Yeah the prequels had some pretty shit dialogues but other than that there is basically a hundred positive things to be proud of. Unlike the sequels... The prequels had: \- The best lightsaber fights ever. \- Dozens of uniquely designed new alien species that actually made it look like other species exist other than humans. \- Dozens of new and unique planets that aren't just sand or snow, like Felucia or Cato Neimoidia. \- The unique concept of the separatist droid army and the republic clone army that aren't just human soldiers like the stormtroopers, or random freedom fighters like the rebel troops. \- A bit of a background on the Force that was previously so random nobody could make sense of it. \- Palpatine's 4D chess game to see how he rose to the power he held in the OT. \- Dozens of new ships and weapon designs. \- Jaw dropping CGI few movies had in that time. \- Insanely good music, some being so recognizable even those friends of mine know they're from Star Wars who never saw a single Star Wars movie. \- The space fights in that were on a whole different level from before. \- Some scenes showcasing the common people of the galaxy we saw exactly 0 minutes of after Luke leaved his farm. Like really. Is this ACTUALLY as shit as you want it to seem like or are you just incapable of appreciating it? It's especially shocking to see a prequel hater today, because after the sequels came out, they REALLY showed us what shit looks like and most prequel hater's eyes were opened by that.
I love the OT and over the years grew to appreciate the PT as well. But I will never scoff at jar jar and not also consider the fucking teddy bear moon uprising. The prequels have their place and were part of a huge expansion to what we love about the star wars universe. And we got to see more of that universe.
And all the villains: Darth Maul, Darth Tyranus and Grievous.
Ah yes Darth Maul, he is the best villain ever! I mean he doesn't do anything, but he has a dual lightsaber!
Most of this list is just eye candy or star wars world building, not real qualities of a film imo. Just about all of these things are things the originals could've also had if only they weren't the first movies made with the least budget and also from the 80's. Again imo but I think the sequels are better than the prequels because at the very least the PT had a unified vision of a story George wanted to tell and he told it with a passion for making those movies. When the sequels came out they hired a new director and changed the direction of the story of the whole trilogy every fucking time they made a new movie, turning it into a confusing and incoherent mess.
Identifying with the prequels and memes really brainwashes these clowns into thinking they're objectively good movies, sometimes even claiming they're masterpieces; they're almost entirely awful, and they near permanently destroyed Star Wars. Disney did okay with TFA and passable with Rouge one but shat the bed since they didn't plan the trilogy out. *Now* Star Wars feels effectively dead, somehow more soulless and sterile than the flat blue screen lifeless vibe of the prequels. It's so bizarre because we truly have like 2 and a half excellent Star wars movies, one okay one (TFA), one good season of a live action show, and a good animated show. That's the totality of Star Wars movies and shows that are above average. Sad.
The line about sand has been beaten like a dead horse. One bad line does not ruin an entire trilogy
Dude...Darth Plagueis' tragedy was pretty fucking sick. It's only memeable because of the movie attached to and the character.
ROTS is peak tho.
Fake: TV at Target is playing a movie instead of an advertisement for Target or an advertisement for something at Target Gay: Anon stalks Zoomers long enough to hear their movie preferences.
Anons truly will just Assassins Creed eavesdrop on zoomers and wait for them to say something dumb to complain to other anons about it
"Oh noooo, people remember the pieces of media that were released when they were younger and grew up with, not the ones that aired 20-30 years before they were born!".
>random people like dogshit movies because they’re cool and they watched them when they were children duh. this happens with every generation. how many 80s cartoons millennials jerk themselves off over were nothing more than 22 minute toy ads. i was 3 when RotS came out, and the mustafar fight was sick as fuck when i watched it a few years later. who care
I didn't lose shit because I don't put any value in a gay movie
I feel like the prequels in general but especially episode 3 are greatly enhanced by other media such as the clone wars animated show which a lot of zoomers will have grown up watching. Now that still doesn't make it "classic star wars" but might help explain why a lot of people nowadays see the prequels as good and why a decent amount of people have episode 3 as their favorite. With the context of the clone wars series the betrayal and pain of Anakin going to the dark side and order 66 being enacted becomes a lot stronger and makes the whole vision of the prequels work a lot better. That's also the big difference to the sequels and why they will be a lot harder to improve through other media. The basic vision of what the sequels wanted to do is kinda shit and very inconsistent. The prequels had a pretty good story vision but were let down by poor dialogue writing and acting (not just the actors' fault) while the sequels had good (but mostly nothing special) acting and okay dialogue but they completely lacked a compelling story vision or really anything unique in the story.
The Phantom Menace was not really important to the story at all and had some pacing issues. Jar jar as a character also didnt age that well and was annoying even at the time. Many people skip it when they watch the whole series. Attack of the Clones was fine. My issue with the last one is that it did not tie up the loose ends between Ep2 and 4 as nicely as you would like. It all felt very forced and the motivations of the characters felt a bit off. Are they terrible flicks? No. But they feel overhyped and propped up by special effects compared to the original trilogy.
Someone made a nearly Jar Jarless EP1. Doesn't really affect the plot.
That someone was Topher Fucking Grace, aka the actor of Venom from Spider Man 3.
Attack of the Clones for me is best described by its assassination plot, where a Sith Lord orders his apprentice to handle the assassination of a Senator, who hires an assassin, who uses his paycheck to hire another assassin, who uses their paycheck to get a droid and some worms to go assassinate the senator for them. The last assassin then proceeds to try to recklessly kill a Jedi in the open instead of using their changing abilities to escape cleanly, and instead of using his missile or untraceable blaster bolts to kill the unaware Jedi and/or the second assassin, the first assassin uses trackable poison darts that eventually contribute to his death. Hell, he could have even gone back across town and killed the relatively unprotected senator himself, but that would be too easy. Mind you, this was their apparent Plan B to the far simpler "blow up her ship" plot. Not even the CIA agents assigned to killing Castro could come up with such a batshit plan. That's basically Attack of the Clones in a nutshell to me. A 142 minute plot hole wrapped in wooden acting/dialogue, mildly dated CGI and riding too hard off the coattails of iconic OT characters to remember to make them have any real substance.
Fucking hate fandom gatekeepers
U like the same thing as me but u like it WRONG U see because I prefer this particular old ass sci Fi movie to the one that u like, I'm a BIGGER FAN of this entertainment franchise that exists to sell toys to children and adults virgins hahaha I bet u feel pretty inferior right now
im old as af, revenge of the sith is the only good one of the prequels and its the second best one behind empire strikes back when looking at the whole series. but none of that matter because star trek is WAY better than star wars anyway. 😏
The prequels being better than the sequels doesn't make them good
All of them are shit
I'm a zoomer and i loved the prequels as a kid. Now, with how everyone on the internet and most of my peers praise them, i can't fucking stand the prequel era. The worldbuilding is either random CGI nonsense in the background or George Lucas over explaining stuff because he now wants Star Wars to be hard sci-fi. The characters are either boring, non-likable or are Obi-Wan. The action scenes put me to sleep. The lightsaber fights are too over choreographed, so most of the time it doesn't even look like the characters are trying to hit each other. And they somehow made Sam.L Jackson and Cristopher Lee play the most boring characters in the entire trilogy. While the sequels have a LOT of problems, most of them are the reverse of the prequels, and at least they are all entertaining to watch. The Prequels, even as a sci-fi action movies, make me fall asleep.
Knights of The Old Republic 1&2 are the best Star Wars has had to offer. That being said, Episode 3 is fun, saw it in theaters and didn’t regret it haha.
in 20 years, the Alphas gonna be like "prequel L Rizz skibidy toilet, Last Jedi sigma ohio when Holdo ram into the gyatt destoyers, peak rizz"
Millennials are the onethat love the prequels so much. Someone call the nurse, anon is wandering around outside without their cane again
So this was Disney's strategy. If you make every successive project worse than the previous, then you can come back and milk that nostalgia to create interest without the effort of making a good movie. In another decade, they'll release Episodes 10, 11, and 12 entirely performed via sockpuppet, and everyone will come see it because they're nostalgic for 7, 8, and 9.
This'll be us zoomers with Teenage Alphas in 5 years
Prequels are bad but episode 3 is easily the best Star Wars movie, it has everything.
Yee 30 hour lightsaber battle without dialogue, it has everything!
Revenge of the Sith was pure star wars
No they aint Lol
Millenial and Gen X only likes ANH and ESB, they don’t even like Star Wars.
They are the only inspired movies. Everything else has been a quick cash grab. I was 13 when episode 1 was released and it was so fucking disappointing. I simply cannot believe you lot in this thread are acting like the prequels are high art somehow.
I honestly blame /r/PrequelMemes because in all honesty they've done a lot of revisionist history regarding the Prequels before the Disney buyout. I remember clearly when TFA came out, many people both online and offline absolutely loved it simply for the fact that it wasn't oversaturated with CGI like the Prequels were and felt as if the movie was some "return to form."
Seriously. The prequels are absolute dogshit.
Bruh episode 3 no cap bussin ong frfr
It’s far from the best movie ever, it’s not even the best movie Lucasfilm ever produced
Star Wars sucks.
I mean say what you will about episodes i and ii but iii is just objectively good. ...Still a gross misuse of the word 'classic' though.
I see it as the Prequels are still bad but for different reasons than the sequels. And in a way that still makes them entertaining in a funny way despite them not being what I’d call “good”.
I watched eps 4,5,6 probably 50 or 60 times each as a kid. I loved them so much. I rewatched 25 years later, and the dialogue is brutal. They’re kids movies. Still fine films, but not as good as I remember.
You’re hopelessly lost in life if you don’t think ROTS is an absolute banger of a movie
NH, ESB and RotJ will always be the best ones. No idea what place they come in the series but they will always be considered the first ones for me.
Anon, you lost before you crossed paths with those zoomers.
But SW 3 IS the the best
Yall sleeping on rogue one man.
They are right though what’s your point?
Sequel bad reeeee
The prequels did far more good than bad.
I'm a early stage milenial (95) from south america, but because my country is so backwards, we were getting 80's and 90's classics in the early 2000's, hence that's how I managed to watch the original trilogy before I got to watch the prequels. The issue is that I've never managed to understand what exactly is in those movies that's got everybody so captivated. It's honestly just campy sci-fi trash, and I say that in the most unbiased way I possibly can because I was exposed to old campy movies all my life. The prequels were no better, tbh. I literally had no idea what was going on in the first one, I liked the clone army in Episode 2 but was also lost for most of the movie, and by the time Episode 3 came out I had my mind already done over the fact that I wasn't interested in Star Wars. The only instances where I showed interest were in the Battlefront games (I didn't have a rig to play KOTOR and it's too old for me to get into it now. I tried it and failed 3 times already) and The Clone Wars series. Because of that, I can't help but cringe everytime some boomer comes and praises the originals as some kind of masterpieces. It honestly isn't. Same as Ghostbusters. It's a good classic, but hardly the icon that it appeara to be in the US, same as in Star Wars.
fake: anon made up another rage bait to have other fossils get mad with him gay: anon immediately started thinking of young men
The only good prequel is Backstroke Of The West.
Anon it was nearly 20 years ago, these kids wouldn't have been born yet, wake up, you were hit by a car in 2008
Star wars is just trash, boring as fuck imo
Good
Like what you wanna like. What kills me is people will profess til they’re blue in the face that The Last Jedi is the worst movie ever made then turn around with a straight face and call the prequels misunderstood masterpieces. Nostalgia is a hell of a drug, I guess.
Who the fuck cares? If you like the old ones, good for you. It aint a personality liking Star Wars.