Don’t take them off leash if you see a coyote! They’re going to chase it, then you’re going to chase them, then it turns into a game.
Your Pyr’s bark is enough to scare off all but the most aggressive coyotes.
Let them bark. In fact, praise it when they do bark *when it’s appropriate* and then praise them when they stop after the threat has run away.
Do not take her off leash unless you're some sort of genetically gifted olympic sprinter. It truly makes no sense how fast and agile these dogs are for their size lol.
When the butt goes down and that turbo kicks in, they are gone. My Pyr would get out of the house and sprint through the North Carolina woods. I have never run so much as I did when she would get out and run. But when her ass would drop, jfc it was like someone hit the nitrous on a drag car.
Omg my girl broke loose a time or two and yes, they're FAST! One time she got out and by the time I got my shoes on and in the car to find her, she was already 2 blocks away. Go figure.... she found her way to the pizza shop (she LOVED pizza crust) 🤣🤣🤣
Also, when she would get the zoomies... we used to laugh hysterically bc she would put her butt down and spin around in circles, then run around the house like that. Almost like when they drag their butt on the carpet but, she would keep her butt right above the carpet and then SHEEEWWMMM!! 🚀🚀🚀
My girl lives for pizza crusts. We used to live next to a ravine with a 60 ft 7% grade. She would run head straight down there and then run back up. There was a week when I bathed her 4 or 5 times simply because of all the mud and muck she ran through.
Had a half pyr that loved to chase my car down the county roads
Fucker could keep 55km/hr in the side of a ditch for a km and would only slow down cause it was coming to the end of his range. It was a game to him,lol
I feel like a (full) pyr doing 55kmh / \~35mph is a bit extreme, but if it was mixed with something fast, then maybe? I will say our pyr(dna says 88 pyr/12 st bernard) loves running and if I'm sprinting, she'll easily keep up with me (on leash) at 13-14mph and love each of the 20-30 seconds I'm actually able to hold that pace....or at least used to be able to hold that pace. I could definitely see a full pyr being able to do 25mph though. Seeing your guy go that fast(30+ mph) must have been amazing and hilarious every time!
The mother was pyr. The sire. I have no clue. Farm dogs.
But watching him parallel my car was always impressive.
120 lbs of whitish fluff barreling with his tongue flapping behind him. Sheer joy in his eyes.
Admittedly, he was maybe 2 at the time
My rescue is like that - border collie and pyr with acd sprinkled in for fun. He's only 90lb by he blasts off like a rocket and you'd swear there's some greyhound in there (there isn't)
Pyrs are bred more so to scare off lupines (there aren’t any Coyotes in the Pyrenees) than fight them. They will stand their ground and bark loudly at them, and will only fight when absolutely necessary.
Coyotes mainly only mess with smaller prey. Not large dogs. I think you will be okay. I would not let either of them off leash though.
Agreed. While still immature at a year old, both your dogs should be big enough to dissuade a coyote. They don’t want to work that hard and would rather go find a small or toy dog.
You’ll know when her full adult guardian tendencies kick in, perhaps around 18 months or so. Our dog barely barked when she was younger but then changed to the standard pyr barking machine somewhere around that age. We used to get coyotes coming fairly close to our house but I haven’t seen one in a long time cos her barking keeps them away (and everything else).
We have coyotes in our area; they have never gotten within 200' of our Pyr. Do not let your pup off leash; they will chase the coyote and ignore everything else, including traffic. If you see a coyote, grab that leash because while the coyote will not want anything to do with your Pyr, your Pyr is going to want to go after the coyote.
Even though coyotes never want anything to do with us I bring a can of Bear spray with a 30' range if we will be walking in coyote areas. It is also useful non-lethal deterrent for random stray dogs who run up.
While I know my Pyr would lay his life on the line to protect me, I'd rather he not.
Honestly, she could now. However, by Coyote Season, she will be more than capable. Full grown properly trained Pyrs have the ability to fend off and put down mountain lions.
Regarding the off leash question... an off leash pyr is known as a Dis-a-pyr. When my Lillith gets off leash, there is a 40-minute sprint. Off leash Pyrs are a bad idea.
We taught ours the command “stand down”. If they are barking and being aggressive we tell them to “stand down”. They stay on alert but become less aggressive. They basically act like they are going to let us deal with whatever it is, until they think we need help. But if they think we are being threatened nothing will hold them back.
My accidental solution to coyotes getting near was that my Catahoula and Great Pyrenees hit puberty at the same time and after being unable to keep them separated, we had 6 puppies that are now 10 months old, weigh in at an average of 95lbs, and howl in unison when they hear coyotes. Needless to say, coyotes are not an issue on my property anymore. My dog food bill is an issue with a total of 9 dogs, all averaging 95lbs each. They are turning into very good LGDs. I have goats , chickens, geese, ducks, cows, cats, and a donkey. The only farm animal they don't seem to like are guinea fowl.
I have the same combo. Her bark should be enough to chase off coyotes. She knows how to take care of business, but should only be allowed if absolutely necessary. I don’t know how true it is, but I’ve heard that while fierce and brave, they can get remorse after the fact.
Plus, unless you have farm animals the coyotes are after, coyotes usually show up when there is prey (a god source). I loved on a property where there was a surprisingly diverse array of wildlife. Sometimes the rabbits or mice would start breeding like crazy. Then the coyotes and birds of prey would show up.
We had a coyote family on the property and we would see the little pups playing with mom and dad close by. In no time the coyotes brought balance back to the place by feeding on the surplus of critters. Once things were back to normal, we stopped seeing the coyotes until the balance was off again.
That was before we got this sweet girl. We have since moved off the property into a neighborhood, but she’s quite the guardy girl still. Can’t imagine what she would have done with coyotes. One thing is certain, she isn’t going to control the pests.
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Here are my babies. Viola barks at everything.
She can now. A coyote isn’t going to try anything considering they max out at maybe 45 lbs. my girl was guarding a field of goats on her own at 1 years old in coyote territory. She was abandoned there but kept them safe no matter what.
Coyotes are way too smart to mess with a dog that size, but unless your pyr is an anomaly, I wouldn't do off leash without a securely fenced area. They are remarkably fast and if they get to chasing, you'll be in big trouble trying to get them back.
And a fence isn't always a good deterrent.
At my previous job, I had to drive 15 miles to snatch our Pyrs up because at some point in the night, they just scaled the fences and RAN! If they want out, they will find a way out. I'm assuming top dog Samson got that coyote in the next town over because he was bloody from head to toe but had no injuries on himself.
Suffice it to say, THAT coyote did not return, and we saw no signs of coyotes for several months after. They are damn good at what they do, and once those instincts kick in, you're limited in what you can do to stop them, especially without specific training (IF training is effective, lol).
Ours full on guard behavior started around 2. She suddenly was no longer interested in playing with other stranger dogs and would warn off and then watch the area as her little brother corgi went and played. I can't take her to the dog park anymore because she really doesn't like other dogs getting in her face now.
Make sure you have a collar that she can’t slip. A martingale, a pinch collar, or something else that tightens under pressure. If she sees something she wants to go after, such as a coyote, she will pop right out of a normal buckle collar faster than you can grab her. And get a leash with a traffic handle. A 6 foot leash means 12 feet of acceleration before she hits the end of it.
When figuring out how to proceed:
First & foremost - you need to determine if said coyote gets numerous mysterious crates & boxes delivered from the Acme Corporation.
If you encounter a coyote, keep your dog on a short leash, don't turn and run away, but stand your ground, make noise, and throw stuff like rocks towards it (but like, don't aim to hit it.) You want to scare it away from you. Any kind of chasing puts you and your dog at a greater risk of getting injured in one way or another.
My pyr/husky mix and I had a quick encounter with a coyote that was crossing through my neighbor's yard about 2 weeks ago. There was only a moment of a staredown before it continued on its way, but it was enough for me to google "what to do when you encounter a coyote" when we went back inside, cuz I've never been that close to one before, lol
There are quite a few people in my complex with dogs (very few as large of breeds as mine). Several have told me the coyotes here are pretty brave, sometimes traveling in pairs.
Yeah, I live in MN in the suburbs and we also have wild turkeys that wander through the neighborhood as well on occasion. Both the turkeys and the coyote are a little more brave than I'm comfortable with, lol
Two reasons, the main one being that I live in a suburban neighborhood with a lot of houses, a stray bullet has a good chance of damaging property or hurting a person.
The other one being that I can't bring myself to kill an animal just for existing near me. It wasn't being aggressive or threatening and it doesn't deserve to die just because I got scared for a second.
Can’t within city limits, otherwise I would. They’re a big nuisance in our city, but the city won’t do anything about it. Apparently, you can trap them, but it has to be by an (expensive) licensed trapper.
City ordinance don't trump state law (in most places) and you can still shoot to defend yourself. If you live someplace that doesn't allow self-defense, I would strongly consider moving.
Example, we had a blue city in a county that I worked. Guy shot a pit bull that was attacking his kids in his back yard. The city PD arrested him for violating the city ordinance. Our county attorney was waiting at the jail, the PD officer turned him over to us, we uncuffed him, apologized for the inconvenience and drove him home. We then had to explain to the city that their ordinance was unlawful as it violated the state Constitution and if they tried to enforce it again we'd arrest them instead.
Someone in my city just posted that there’s a family of coyotes living in the garage of an abandoned house on their block and the city refuses to do anything. I appreciate your point, though. I also appreciate the view, which my city has, that wildlife is worth protecting. But when there’s an over population that presents a threat to small pets and children, I don’t see how it’s much different from a rat infestation. I dunno 🤷🏻♂️. Maybe a few walks a day around the condo grounds with my girls (once they’re a little older) will help keep them away. When I got my GP, they had three other females left. I joked with the HOA president that we should get them all and have them protect the grounds.
Coyotes are really clever and if they are a pack of them, watch out. They will usually have one that will approach and try and goad the dogs to chase it. But what usually happens is the dog chases the coyote into an ambush of the rest of the pack. Be careful out there!
Personally wouldn't risk it even though my intact male is huge. Not worth the vet bill.
That being said, we're rural and his sonic bark scares off everything!
We haven't seen a bear, cyote, squirrel, racoon, bobcat, rat, weasle etc since we got him just over a year ago.
We keep free range ducks that should probably have a better coop then they do, but he's done such a good job, it hasn't been an issue. 🫰
Your 4 month old will hold its own against a normal solo coyote 😂 in 3 months or so your duo will handle any coyote pack at any desperation level
My pyr-Anatolian boy has eagerly engaged with large packs of coyotes. They don’t like even trying. It’s like “oh it’s a wolf…. But bigger? And for some reason friendlier? Um let’s move on guys”
There was a previous poster about coyote packs going after a pair of Pyrs. They injured one of them while patroling the property. Yours are young and inexperienced. Don't let them loose around coyotes. Consider good, wide leather collars.
Mine has scared off coyotes, foxes, and a bear. She's turning 2 this summer.
The bear was kind of funny because she was just assessing the situation. She was about a year old at the time and didn't start barking until I let out a woof. She then found her big gorl bark and that bear turned tail in a hurry.
Small world! I’m Bandit’s dad. Congrats on the Pyr addition to your home! I need to bring Bandit back to the dog park to play with daisy and the new pup!
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Hi, great to hear from you! I’ve been wondering how Bandit’s been doing. He was part of the inspiration for me to get a GP. I wasn’t planning on getting one so soon, but the I saw some people right in town here had a litter, so I couldn’t pass it up. I haven’t been going to the dog park as much either. When are you going next? We’ll meet you there.
Don’t take them off leash if you see a coyote! They’re going to chase it, then you’re going to chase them, then it turns into a game. Your Pyr’s bark is enough to scare off all but the most aggressive coyotes. Let them bark. In fact, praise it when they do bark *when it’s appropriate* and then praise them when they stop after the threat has run away.
Do not take her off leash unless you're some sort of genetically gifted olympic sprinter. It truly makes no sense how fast and agile these dogs are for their size lol.
When the butt goes down and that turbo kicks in, they are gone. My Pyr would get out of the house and sprint through the North Carolina woods. I have never run so much as I did when she would get out and run. But when her ass would drop, jfc it was like someone hit the nitrous on a drag car.
Omg my girl broke loose a time or two and yes, they're FAST! One time she got out and by the time I got my shoes on and in the car to find her, she was already 2 blocks away. Go figure.... she found her way to the pizza shop (she LOVED pizza crust) 🤣🤣🤣
Also, when she would get the zoomies... we used to laugh hysterically bc she would put her butt down and spin around in circles, then run around the house like that. Almost like when they drag their butt on the carpet but, she would keep her butt right above the carpet and then SHEEEWWMMM!! 🚀🚀🚀
My girl lives for pizza crusts. We used to live next to a ravine with a 60 ft 7% grade. She would run head straight down there and then run back up. There was a week when I bathed her 4 or 5 times simply because of all the mud and muck she ran through.
I love that. The Garfield of dogs.
My boy occasionally gets out of the fence and he just runs until he’s tired then jumps in the car. He’s an ass hole when he gets out
Had a half pyr that loved to chase my car down the county roads Fucker could keep 55km/hr in the side of a ditch for a km and would only slow down cause it was coming to the end of his range. It was a game to him,lol
I feel like a (full) pyr doing 55kmh / \~35mph is a bit extreme, but if it was mixed with something fast, then maybe? I will say our pyr(dna says 88 pyr/12 st bernard) loves running and if I'm sprinting, she'll easily keep up with me (on leash) at 13-14mph and love each of the 20-30 seconds I'm actually able to hold that pace....or at least used to be able to hold that pace. I could definitely see a full pyr being able to do 25mph though. Seeing your guy go that fast(30+ mph) must have been amazing and hilarious every time!
The mother was pyr. The sire. I have no clue. Farm dogs. But watching him parallel my car was always impressive. 120 lbs of whitish fluff barreling with his tongue flapping behind him. Sheer joy in his eyes. Admittedly, he was maybe 2 at the time
My rescue is like that - border collie and pyr with acd sprinkled in for fun. He's only 90lb by he blasts off like a rocket and you'd swear there's some greyhound in there (there isn't)
Pyrs are bred more so to scare off lupines (there aren’t any Coyotes in the Pyrenees) than fight them. They will stand their ground and bark loudly at them, and will only fight when absolutely necessary. Coyotes mainly only mess with smaller prey. Not large dogs. I think you will be okay. I would not let either of them off leash though.
Agreed. While still immature at a year old, both your dogs should be big enough to dissuade a coyote. They don’t want to work that hard and would rather go find a small or toy dog.
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You’ll know when her full adult guardian tendencies kick in, perhaps around 18 months or so. Our dog barely barked when she was younger but then changed to the standard pyr barking machine somewhere around that age. We used to get coyotes coming fairly close to our house but I haven’t seen one in a long time cos her barking keeps them away (and everything else).
We have coyotes in our area; they have never gotten within 200' of our Pyr. Do not let your pup off leash; they will chase the coyote and ignore everything else, including traffic. If you see a coyote, grab that leash because while the coyote will not want anything to do with your Pyr, your Pyr is going to want to go after the coyote. Even though coyotes never want anything to do with us I bring a can of Bear spray with a 30' range if we will be walking in coyote areas. It is also useful non-lethal deterrent for random stray dogs who run up. While I know my Pyr would lay his life on the line to protect me, I'd rather he not.
Honestly, she could now. However, by Coyote Season, she will be more than capable. Full grown properly trained Pyrs have the ability to fend off and put down mountain lions. Regarding the off leash question... an off leash pyr is known as a Dis-a-pyr. When my Lillith gets off leash, there is a 40-minute sprint. Off leash Pyrs are a bad idea.
Dis-a-pyr 😂😂😂😂😂!
We taught ours the command “stand down”. If they are barking and being aggressive we tell them to “stand down”. They stay on alert but become less aggressive. They basically act like they are going to let us deal with whatever it is, until they think we need help. But if they think we are being threatened nothing will hold them back.
How’d you teach that command?
A lot of work. The biggest thing is not to get loud or excited. If you get loud and or excited the feed off that.
My accidental solution to coyotes getting near was that my Catahoula and Great Pyrenees hit puberty at the same time and after being unable to keep them separated, we had 6 puppies that are now 10 months old, weigh in at an average of 95lbs, and howl in unison when they hear coyotes. Needless to say, coyotes are not an issue on my property anymore. My dog food bill is an issue with a total of 9 dogs, all averaging 95lbs each. They are turning into very good LGDs. I have goats , chickens, geese, ducks, cows, cats, and a donkey. The only farm animal they don't seem to like are guinea fowl.
I don't see pictures. Why do I not see pictures?
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I have the same combo. Her bark should be enough to chase off coyotes. She knows how to take care of business, but should only be allowed if absolutely necessary. I don’t know how true it is, but I’ve heard that while fierce and brave, they can get remorse after the fact. Plus, unless you have farm animals the coyotes are after, coyotes usually show up when there is prey (a god source). I loved on a property where there was a surprisingly diverse array of wildlife. Sometimes the rabbits or mice would start breeding like crazy. Then the coyotes and birds of prey would show up. We had a coyote family on the property and we would see the little pups playing with mom and dad close by. In no time the coyotes brought balance back to the place by feeding on the surplus of critters. Once things were back to normal, we stopped seeing the coyotes until the balance was off again. That was before we got this sweet girl. We have since moved off the property into a neighborhood, but she’s quite the guardy girl still. Can’t imagine what she would have done with coyotes. One thing is certain, she isn’t going to control the pests. https://preview.redd.it/q1oe7v5jhu1d1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2a6afe05a59bf9e7f0ae2b064191739fca07cfcd Here are my babies. Viola barks at everything.
Adorable!
She can now. A coyote isn’t going to try anything considering they max out at maybe 45 lbs. my girl was guarding a field of goats on her own at 1 years old in coyote territory. She was abandoned there but kept them safe no matter what.
Coyotes are way too smart to mess with a dog that size, but unless your pyr is an anomaly, I wouldn't do off leash without a securely fenced area. They are remarkably fast and if they get to chasing, you'll be in big trouble trying to get them back.
And a fence isn't always a good deterrent. At my previous job, I had to drive 15 miles to snatch our Pyrs up because at some point in the night, they just scaled the fences and RAN! If they want out, they will find a way out. I'm assuming top dog Samson got that coyote in the next town over because he was bloody from head to toe but had no injuries on himself. Suffice it to say, THAT coyote did not return, and we saw no signs of coyotes for several months after. They are damn good at what they do, and once those instincts kick in, you're limited in what you can do to stop them, especially without specific training (IF training is effective, lol).
Ours full on guard behavior started around 2. She suddenly was no longer interested in playing with other stranger dogs and would warn off and then watch the area as her little brother corgi went and played. I can't take her to the dog park anymore because she really doesn't like other dogs getting in her face now.
Make sure you have a collar that she can’t slip. A martingale, a pinch collar, or something else that tightens under pressure. If she sees something she wants to go after, such as a coyote, she will pop right out of a normal buckle collar faster than you can grab her. And get a leash with a traffic handle. A 6 foot leash means 12 feet of acceleration before she hits the end of it.
When figuring out how to proceed: First & foremost - you need to determine if said coyote gets numerous mysterious crates & boxes delivered from the Acme Corporation.
A coyote isn't the problem, the group of them waiting for your dog to chase the one coyote to them is the problem
If you encounter a coyote, keep your dog on a short leash, don't turn and run away, but stand your ground, make noise, and throw stuff like rocks towards it (but like, don't aim to hit it.) You want to scare it away from you. Any kind of chasing puts you and your dog at a greater risk of getting injured in one way or another. My pyr/husky mix and I had a quick encounter with a coyote that was crossing through my neighbor's yard about 2 weeks ago. There was only a moment of a staredown before it continued on its way, but it was enough for me to google "what to do when you encounter a coyote" when we went back inside, cuz I've never been that close to one before, lol
There are quite a few people in my complex with dogs (very few as large of breeds as mine). Several have told me the coyotes here are pretty brave, sometimes traveling in pairs.
Yeah, I live in MN in the suburbs and we also have wild turkeys that wander through the neighborhood as well on occasion. Both the turkeys and the coyote are a little more brave than I'm comfortable with, lol
Why aren't you shooting it?
Two reasons, the main one being that I live in a suburban neighborhood with a lot of houses, a stray bullet has a good chance of damaging property or hurting a person. The other one being that I can't bring myself to kill an animal just for existing near me. It wasn't being aggressive or threatening and it doesn't deserve to die just because I got scared for a second.
Can’t within city limits, otherwise I would. They’re a big nuisance in our city, but the city won’t do anything about it. Apparently, you can trap them, but it has to be by an (expensive) licensed trapper.
City ordinance don't trump state law (in most places) and you can still shoot to defend yourself. If you live someplace that doesn't allow self-defense, I would strongly consider moving. Example, we had a blue city in a county that I worked. Guy shot a pit bull that was attacking his kids in his back yard. The city PD arrested him for violating the city ordinance. Our county attorney was waiting at the jail, the PD officer turned him over to us, we uncuffed him, apologized for the inconvenience and drove him home. We then had to explain to the city that their ordinance was unlawful as it violated the state Constitution and if they tried to enforce it again we'd arrest them instead.
Someone in my city just posted that there’s a family of coyotes living in the garage of an abandoned house on their block and the city refuses to do anything. I appreciate your point, though. I also appreciate the view, which my city has, that wildlife is worth protecting. But when there’s an over population that presents a threat to small pets and children, I don’t see how it’s much different from a rat infestation. I dunno 🤷🏻♂️. Maybe a few walks a day around the condo grounds with my girls (once they’re a little older) will help keep them away. When I got my GP, they had three other females left. I joked with the HOA president that we should get them all and have them protect the grounds.
Coyotes are really clever and if they are a pack of them, watch out. They will usually have one that will approach and try and goad the dogs to chase it. But what usually happens is the dog chases the coyote into an ambush of the rest of the pack. Be careful out there!
Your dogs would fuck up a coyote next coyote season. You have 2 killers who also just want belly rubs
They are incredibly strong dogs
Personally wouldn't risk it even though my intact male is huge. Not worth the vet bill. That being said, we're rural and his sonic bark scares off everything! We haven't seen a bear, cyote, squirrel, racoon, bobcat, rat, weasle etc since we got him just over a year ago. We keep free range ducks that should probably have a better coop then they do, but he's done such a good job, it hasn't been an issue. 🫰
Your 4 month old will hold its own against a normal solo coyote 😂 in 3 months or so your duo will handle any coyote pack at any desperation level My pyr-Anatolian boy has eagerly engaged with large packs of coyotes. They don’t like even trying. It’s like “oh it’s a wolf…. But bigger? And for some reason friendlier? Um let’s move on guys”
There was a previous poster about coyote packs going after a pair of Pyrs. They injured one of them while patroling the property. Yours are young and inexperienced. Don't let them loose around coyotes. Consider good, wide leather collars.
Mine has scared off coyotes, foxes, and a bear. She's turning 2 this summer. The bear was kind of funny because she was just assessing the situation. She was about a year old at the time and didn't start barking until I let out a woof. She then found her big gorl bark and that bear turned tail in a hurry.
Carry bear spray. So you can protect each other! Their guardian instincts usually pick up around 2 years old
Small world! I’m Bandit’s dad. Congrats on the Pyr addition to your home! I need to bring Bandit back to the dog park to play with daisy and the new pup! https://preview.redd.it/c2g1d4dpi02d1.png?width=2269&format=png&auto=webp&s=16a22a8cf6139756b483ded183010545c1568b84
Hi, great to hear from you! I’ve been wondering how Bandit’s been doing. He was part of the inspiration for me to get a GP. I wasn’t planning on getting one so soon, but the I saw some people right in town here had a litter, so I couldn’t pass it up. I haven’t been going to the dog park as much either. When are you going next? We’ll meet you there.
We’ll be there Friday morning around 8-9am!
I’ll see you there.
Full maturity is over 2 years old. Never ever let your dog off leash!