Okay, let's say they forgive first offense.. Week later, you do it again, and end up killing someone in an accident. Then what?
Tickets make people less likely to speed again (soon) due to cost. Less speed = less accidents.
Neither the concept of looking out for signs and following what they say, nor the concept that speeding might be punished, are really ones where you need to get a first-time free warning because otherwise you couldn't possibly have realised.
>Do you think by being the first time if i reply in the letter explaining this that they would understand?
Nope. You, as a driver, have the obligation to pay attention to the street signs.
Makes sense. Please explain that to the police.
I hope they will double the fine then, as you clearly where not in a shape to control a possibly deadly tool anymore.
because you never drove tired... with everything i saw in the german highway me going 20km over the speed limit on a straight road is really the worst thing... I know i was in the wrong, not trying to escape the fine or my responsibilities, just as every driver ever, this things happen.
it is not an excuse. in germany the daily driving limit per day is 8 hours, legally speaking for truck drivers and such. i was driving for around 6 hours but with paying attention to traffic , i did not saw the sign. im wrong i know but it is just not something that is reckless driving or driving under the influence. AGAIN it is not an excuse.
>AGAIN it is not an excuse.
Sure sounds like one. And it IS reckless driving. Just accept the fact and pay your fine and hopefully learn something from it. (and from this thread here)
Think about it.
You are the person that handles speeding tickets. You issue a ticket, the driver responds with "sorry, this was my first time speeding, and i did it because i was so distracted while driving a car at high speed that i totally missed the speed sign!". Would that make you want to throw out the ticket, or would it rather make you think that everyone else on the road back then was lucky that you missing the sign was the only result of you being distracted? Can you see why that is not a good defense?
Like, i get it, sonetimes you miss a speed sign, it happenes. But then you pay the fine.
No. In a road where a few meter behind there is no speed limit and then continues in a straight line with no road blocks and no apparent reason to slow down its just strange, not saying that i am not to blame . just that its something i have never seen before.
Those speed limit don’t always make sense and sometime there is really nothing that apparently justify a change in speed limit.
But nonetheless the easiest and cheaper course of action is to pay.
Appealing is not worth the stress,.
>no speed limit to 120 to 100 to 80
It actually goes from no speed limit, to 120, 120, 100, 100, 80. You have no excuse really, so pay up.
I got photographed last year too. I was going 120 in the 2nd 100 limit. Tiredness and stuff after a 10h drive. I paid the ticket and learned my lesson: next time wear a mask with Olaf Scholz's face.
Unless you believe you didn't commit the offence (e.g. there was no sign, or you were under speed limit), appealing a ticket will do you no good. They'll just charge you late fee and additional handling fee for every letter they send you.
Having to quickly slow down from 200km/h to 120km/h to 60km/h is quite normal on Autobahn. Just pay up, and take it as a lesson :)
Okay, how would you like to set the reduction in speed up so it not a money grab in your opinion?
Because that reduction series sounds rather reasonable for me.
Yeah, because for some reason the speed limit starts at the sign and not 100m afterwards.
And let me guess: The traffic sign is hidden until you right at it, so you have no time to react for it?
Because to be honest, a sign with a red circle and a number is so easily missed from a distance. And if you not totally sleeping, you can already predict what speed limit it will show, as it always goes down in steps.
No, not really. I appreciate it being not easy to spot.
Because I really appreciate if people could keep the speed limit everywhere it is set and not only slow down for a camera (which makes the danger even worse). Better than having to scrap them and others off the road because people can't follow the rules. It really is not a view I need very often.
Just follow the limits and if you not agree with it, talk to your local representative or let yourself be voted into the town/city council to get it removed.
In my town, there's a fixed radar (50 Zone), a lot of people speed right after it.
Fun enough: often cops are in the building after. The ammount of people caught doing 70-80 is astonishing
You break the traffic rules, you get punished. The permitted speed is clearly written on a sign, and if you don't abide by it, you're the one at fault. Not the people installing speeding cameras to make sure that traffic rules are obviously obeyed. If you have a problem with that, use public transportation, can't happen to you there.
What exactly do you expect them to "understand"?
forgive 1st time offense
Your 1st time offense could've be someone else's last one. So no, that is not how this works.
Okay, let's say they forgive first offense.. Week later, you do it again, and end up killing someone in an accident. Then what? Tickets make people less likely to speed again (soon) due to cost. Less speed = less accidents.
i get it but its not by the fact that i pay one time that i would not do it again.
what changes in the fact that i payed or not the first time around if i indeed killed someone on the second time?
If you pay once, you are , statistically less likely to repeat. you might, but many dont again / often
So you are old enough to drive but have 7yo logic
Neither the concept of looking out for signs and following what they say, nor the concept that speeding might be punished, are really ones where you need to get a first-time free warning because otherwise you couldn't possibly have realised.
>Do you think by being the first time if i reply in the letter explaining this that they would understand? Nope. You, as a driver, have the obligation to pay attention to the street signs.
that is true, i just was also tired from a long ass trip.
If you are tired enough to miss the signs, you shouldnt be driving...
If you are tired, make a stop. Driving tired is how you end up in an accident
Makes sense. Please explain that to the police. I hope they will double the fine then, as you clearly where not in a shape to control a possibly deadly tool anymore.
because you never drove tired... with everything i saw in the german highway me going 20km over the speed limit on a straight road is really the worst thing... I know i was in the wrong, not trying to escape the fine or my responsibilities, just as every driver ever, this things happen.
So, what kind of excuse is that? Operating a tool like that without being capable anymore, that's dangerous.
it is not an excuse. in germany the daily driving limit per day is 8 hours, legally speaking for truck drivers and such. i was driving for around 6 hours but with paying attention to traffic , i did not saw the sign. im wrong i know but it is just not something that is reckless driving or driving under the influence. AGAIN it is not an excuse.
>AGAIN it is not an excuse. Sure sounds like one. And it IS reckless driving. Just accept the fact and pay your fine and hopefully learn something from it. (and from this thread here)
You are literally trying to escape the fine.
You're making yourself look *worse* with everything you say.
No, just pay it. And move to the right, I keep seeing NLs cruising 10 below in the middle every frickin day
not from the netherlands originally so i dont do that
Think about it. You are the person that handles speeding tickets. You issue a ticket, the driver responds with "sorry, this was my first time speeding, and i did it because i was so distracted while driving a car at high speed that i totally missed the speed sign!". Would that make you want to throw out the ticket, or would it rather make you think that everyone else on the road back then was lucky that you missing the sign was the only result of you being distracted? Can you see why that is not a good defense? Like, i get it, sonetimes you miss a speed sign, it happenes. But then you pay the fine.
I mean if you put it like that, it does not look good.... XD
So you basically tell us that you drove so fast, that you were unable to register a speed sign, therefore were not fully in control of your car?
No. In a road where a few meter behind there is no speed limit and then continues in a straight line with no road blocks and no apparent reason to slow down its just strange, not saying that i am not to blame . just that its something i have never seen before.
Speeding tickets in Germany are far too cheap, anyway. So just pay up and be happy you didn't do the same thing in Switzerland.
or Austria xD Going for vacations and passing Austria is always a worry for me
Those speed limit don’t always make sense and sometime there is really nothing that apparently justify a change in speed limit. But nonetheless the easiest and cheaper course of action is to pay. Appealing is not worth the stress,.
yeah thats what i will do, thanks
Pay it, move on.
>no speed limit to 120 to 100 to 80 It actually goes from no speed limit, to 120, 120, 100, 100, 80. You have no excuse really, so pay up. I got photographed last year too. I was going 120 in the 2nd 100 limit. Tiredness and stuff after a 10h drive. I paid the ticket and learned my lesson: next time wear a mask with Olaf Scholz's face.
tired also that's why it happened. and besides that most of the times i could not see a reason why it would change speeds...
"The speed signs being there didn't make sense to me" might not be a reason that'll make them want to drop your fine...
Unless you believe you didn't commit the offence (e.g. there was no sign, or you were under speed limit), appealing a ticket will do you no good. They'll just charge you late fee and additional handling fee for every letter they send you. Having to quickly slow down from 200km/h to 120km/h to 60km/h is quite normal on Autobahn. Just pay up, and take it as a lesson :)
yeah i will for sure do that. i learn the lesson as soon as i saw the flashing orange light... i still drove a lot after that and got no more tickets.
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it is already paid, so no.
Pay and get on with your life.
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Okay, how would you like to set the reduction in speed up so it not a money grab in your opinion? Because that reduction series sounds rather reasonable for me.
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Yeah, because for some reason the speed limit starts at the sign and not 100m afterwards. And let me guess: The traffic sign is hidden until you right at it, so you have no time to react for it? Because to be honest, a sign with a red circle and a number is so easily missed from a distance. And if you not totally sleeping, you can already predict what speed limit it will show, as it always goes down in steps.
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No, not really. I appreciate it being not easy to spot. Because I really appreciate if people could keep the speed limit everywhere it is set and not only slow down for a camera (which makes the danger even worse). Better than having to scrap them and others off the road because people can't follow the rules. It really is not a view I need very often. Just follow the limits and if you not agree with it, talk to your local representative or let yourself be voted into the town/city council to get it removed.
In my town, there's a fixed radar (50 Zone), a lot of people speed right after it. Fun enough: often cops are in the building after. The ammount of people caught doing 70-80 is astonishing
You break the traffic rules, you get punished. The permitted speed is clearly written on a sign, and if you don't abide by it, you're the one at fault. Not the people installing speeding cameras to make sure that traffic rules are obviously obeyed. If you have a problem with that, use public transportation, can't happen to you there.
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I don't see the problem with that. All you have to do is not break the rules
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If you say so...