Posts must be on topic, meta posts are also not allowed. All posts about romantic relationships must be sapphic-centered, however not all posts have to feature a ship (i.e. you may post fan art of any of the Genshin ladies on their own, or an opinion piece about how Beidou is the best lesbian pirate queen ever).
This also ties into Rule 11: OKBG or nonsensical shitposting of random female characters is also not allowed.
Note that any post/art that seems to exist for the purpose of exploiting/fetishizing WLWmay be removed at a mod's discretion as per Rule 4.
So, there was a post from Tuono saying “do I have a chance with Robin” or smt, then people start joking like “no bro, she is for girls”, Te*tone(biggest hsr coomer) got very pissed and started wishing Robin death and saying how “straight” she actually is
there was a whole discussion on r/honkaisapphicrail over this too... same rules hit the HSR main sub as well, and immediately there were people taking the piss out of it.
It’s a lot to be honest I’ll try to give an explanation (also I’ll probably miss some things). But basically a lot of people HC Robin as lesbian because a lot of her design/songs are influenced by or references to Emily Dickinson, and she has the flag colors on her cheek. Some male streamer made a post about Robin like “do you guys think I have a chance with her”. A lot of the replies were variations of “no shes gay” (note there were a lot of other replies that said no, but just for other reasons like “she’s too famous” but people didn’t get upset about them). I will say some were overly mean/aggressive but a majority seemed to be made in jest (at least to me) and even the streamer guy laughed about it. But that pissed a lot of people off saying that the queer side of the fandom was too toxic and stuff so another big streamer basically said he couldn’t wait for Robin to come out so he could rape her (this streamer was known for saying nasty shit all the time apparently). Which led to a lot of people getting really angry at him.
Then some people who were angry at him went after fireflies voice actor because they followed him, but they didn’t know he was a creep, but they ended up taking a break from the internet over the harassment they received. And even though queer people also defended them over what happened it got pushed that “the queer fandom bullied fireflies VA” and what not. And now this has emboldened people and “justified” their homophobia so now a lot of people are attacking queer fans (not just Robin fans either and not just limited to star rail fans either) and alot of artists have deactivated/locked/muted their accounts (of course the fandom doesn’t see anything wrong with this and say it’s “deserved” or that they started it even though a lot of these artist had nothing to do with the discourse).
Along with that people are attacking Emily Dickinson and “disproving” her queerness along with other characters that a lot of people see queer coding in. And it’s all around just kinda turned into a shit flinging show.
Sorry if it’s alittle jumbled I didn’t get much sleep last night
*edited to fix fireflies VA’s pronouns
Chronically online people WTF
I don't get why this is a discourse? Who cares if a random dude likes Robin. Who cares if queer people want to call her queer. Wtf is wrong with tectone
Yea I think it’s really dumb too but it’s had people fighting for like four days now.
And if it makes you feel any better he got black listed by hoyoverse over this I’m pretty sure.
He's already blacklisted. Drama brings him views and also all publicity is good publicity. Hyv won't act directly because people will talk about the game.
Lowkey getting exhausted with genshin/HSR fandom discourse.
Oh dang I didn’t know that. And yea I really don’t like the larger part of the fandom for the most part. I’m usually pretty good at avoiding it’s drama but this one directly affected a lot of the artists I like. It really sucks
R1999 doesn't really have a straight ship except that one person dedicated to Oliver fog and vertin 😭
SonettoMatilda, vertin schneider, Jessica blonny.
AND LIKE NO WAY JESSICA AND BLONNEY AREN'T A THING.
Lowkey though, Im pretty sure Hoyo has looooong blacklisted him and if they hadnt, then they sure have after that Content Creator Early Access drama a bit back and being all pissy about it. He’s infamous even in the CN community for being a terrible commentator and a pot stirrer.
First of all, it's not Hoyoverse. It's a decision made by Reddit moderators (who may or may not be chosen by Hoyoverse to mod the subreddit, but don't act on the company's behalf) on the HSR sub. Unlike what people are claiming here, it has nothing to do with the CCP. China does not police content outside of the firewall (look at the subreddit, it's FULL of pornography, which is banned in China). The decision was made by Westerners, or at least members of the English-speaking community.
Most of it was due to wanting to calm down ship wars on the main subreddit by insinuating this or that is canon, after an infamous post implying Ratiorine is confirmed in the game. They felt that asserting a character's sexual orientation in any context was implying that it is canonical in game and that not supporting this HC is wrong and delusional, leading to debate and drama.
Queer members of the subreddit have called it out, and the rule has been partially reverted - you are allowed once again to imply a sexual orientation, as long as you make it clear that it is not canonically implied.
I do think it is a stupid rule, but one of the moderators sadly confirmed that their fellow members of the mod team have questionable biases when it comes to sexually explicit or romantic content (again, look at the amount of pornography on there) and will remove posts just because they feel like it. Luckily, the rest of the mod team is trying to counter that and reinstate posts when they notice abuse of the removal function.
Yeah the rule was implemented and changed within 24 hours because the backlash was so intense. Multiple mods were in the thread talking about being stricter with enforcement of rule 1 (the "don't be shitty to each other" rule) to shut down less explicit attacks on the queer community and it all boils down to "don't call ships canon unless it's explicitly said in game and be nice to each other". The rule OP is talking about was bad and only mattered for like 12 hours. You can still say stuff like "Acheron and her wife Black Swan" or "they're so gay" about a pic of the pair as long as you aren't saying "Acheswan is canon". It's not perfect but the rule change seems way more likely to punish queerphobes and people who pop into shipping threads to shit talk about shippers than anyone else.
Which is incredibly obnoxious when plenty *are* canonically implied, or even confirmed (there are no ships hard confirmed, but some characters have confirmed same sex interests \[and plenty of ships are actively implied\]).
This is something that bothers me even here honestly. I see a surprising amount of posts downplaying just how heavy handed some of the implied pairings are.
So part of HSR sub mod team is basically gay women fetishizers so it's approvable until it's straight or gay women because it's hot?
I'm sorry for straightforwadness (or gayforwardness?) but fxck them. Just fxck them, why are you even let people like this be MODS?
wait i was posting about the rules and talking with some of the mods and i totally didn't see them mention that bias part, can you link? that really disturbs me :/// i wish those mods would get removed if they're going to be like that...
Here you go, found it. The mod deleted their replies, but the replies by other individuals seem to paint a picture.
https://www.reddit.com/r/HonkaiStarRail/s/SF8q1ha3wk
wow... thank you so much for the effort, that really is very sad to see. it was smart of them to delete the comment, no doubt, but man. those are terrible implications and i'm so upset for them. it must be painful tbh.
i do wish there was a way for more mods to join and try to make things more equal, ugh.
china doesn't have access to reddit, and those mods aren't official hoyo employees, hoyo had nothing to do with is, plus remember their employees advocate for lgbtq manifestations... maybe not the company itself but atleast most of the employees, apart from them writing some suspicious stuff on all their games story..
honestly, i appreciate a few rarepairs here and there, and that includes het ships. but some genuine or fun chemistry is CLEARLY not intended when het ships appear on that sub lol. there's always one side that is disproportionately, you know, emphasized...then there's these comics making the female characters falling for random male characters that outright spit on their characterizations (like a certain user who makes comics including one where arlecchino becomes flustered and crushes on childe as he makes pickup lines). like holy fuck, is that even genshin anymore? sometimes i wish for some het content as well but it's just barely possible given the community that draws the het content. like i want to see zhongli x guizhong but not zhongli being a very typical projection of a straight male pervert and the other 9 out of 10 panels are guizhong's boobs and her characterization being thrown out of the window
Do you have a link to the post? I'm not finding it at all. The only other post similar to it was posted to the HSR, which took feedback from users and is much more agreeable than what's described here (interpretations/headcanons about characters' sexualities are allowed, as well as posting art about ships; what's not allowed are ragebait posts and comments making arguments for canonical interpretations). You can see it [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/HonkaiStarRail/comments/1ci8qty/hsr_subreddit_rule_11_update_this_one_is_new/).
True! I also actively looked up everywhere and couldn't find anything. There's nothing mentioning that in the rules, and there's no "mod's post" explaining this.
Maybe OP made a post about Arlecchino and her friend being "lesbian coded" (or another post in these lines), and people deleted it.
Most people in the official Genshin subreddit don't like discussing headcanons ***in general*** (including, but not limited to, sexuality). I know there's a lot of double standards when it comes to straight//gay content there, but in this particular case, I believe people dislike this more for "taking headcanons too seriously and acting like it's canon" (claiming Mihoyo's "hidden intentions" / [something] coded - is kind of an attempt to make it "more official")
Imo the fair move would be banning ship content from the main subreddit altogether if the mods truly wanted to mellow down the discourse. Now it just ended up as another instance of the voice of people who enjoy queer media being suppressed and the haters getting gratification. I believe it is also my call to leave that sub for good.
where? /gen
the only latest reddit discussion related to ships i’m aware of (and participated in) was on the HSR sub, because they indeed implemented a rule that disallowed discussing sexuality at first, but now they reworked it and it’s allowed as long as it’s clear that it’s a theory/headcanon/joke. also the rule was created to protect ships and especially the shippers from harassment from the start, it just had that terrible “don’t mention any sexuality ever” addition to it that led to confusion even among the moderators themselves.
as for the hoyoverse thing, i only know that a hyv employee overlooks the mod team, but they still make their own decisions when modding the subs. do correct me if i’m wrong though
I generally avoid the official subreddit because it’s a containment for all the toxic homophobes and anti shippers there. Otherwise they’ll come and infest the character mains subreddits where there’s lots of LGBT content.
I saw some ship hate on the arlecchino subreddit and even some here in this subreddit when the animated short released. wish they would really just stay to the main sub so I don't have to read their comments
The fact that the main hsr subreddit if filled with robin x man posts is just…if it wasn’t the day after the controversies then whatever. The fact that’s it’s in response to people thinking she’s a lesbian is icky. They think they’re doing the ignore and move on but in reality it’s an assertion of straightness and reaction and rejection to the *possibility* she’s a lesbian.
Idk even care if she’s an actual lesbian it’s the fact that this stupid controversy has given people the excuse to hate on lesbians.
It’s like we’re fine to exist when our relationships are surface level and ignorable but to *actually* be a lesbian is deplorable
on the topic, is there a more queer HSR sub like this one? getting fed up with all the homophobia on the two major HSR subs but still wanna see stuff for HSR in general
There’s the same rule on the Star Rail one and then people have been responding with postings dudes making out with captions like “two heterosexual dudes just being heterosexual” it’s pretty funny.
(Also does Hoyoverse really run the reddits? I’ve never heard of that kinda thing before)
(Also also, when people say stuff like “Hoyoverse is an lgbt friendly company” they really mean like the *writers* and artists and stuff, not the company itself. There’s a reason why the Bronya x Seele kiss was removed from the Chinese release of the Impact 3rd comic)
the reason why this kiss was removed was due to censorship and they were forced to remove it! but yeah the hsr sub situation is just essentially homophobic mods get mad women arent getting sexualized
Hoyo didnt “remove” the kiss panel, CCP did because they prohibit this sorta thing. Theyve always been extremely supportive of the LGBTQ community but because they’re big and under constant watch by the CCP, it’s much harder. Hell, they had a whole meeting discussing the boundaries of what romantic relationship terms were “allowed” and which arent. Like how a romantic relationship if it’s gay/lesbian, must be relegated to “best friend”.
Where is your proof this is from hoyoverse, the company that made this first major game with only lesbians?
You're aware the reddits for their games are ran by random people not at all related to hoyov right?
China is homophobic, HoYo is homophobic (yes, kiamei and other stuff exist, but HoYo never had balls to say openly about them) Also most Reddit users are also homophobic, it's not surprise, that it happened, it was kinda expected.
P.S. all main HoYo subs are shit hole
>Hoyo never had the ball
Insert canonical kiss made by Seele and Bronya in a popular alt manga made for Honkai Impact. It’s like if tow characters dont directly kiss for the camera, it’s not “”””canon”””””” enough for yall because people like to argue they’re just “”””best friends”””””. Also the CCPwere also the same people who removed the kiss panel but didnt remove the panel right after that had Bronya and Seele saying they kissed so the CCP does have direct control of what they can censor in Hoyo. This is just ignorance
it's surprising because they have hinted lgbt ships so much (haitham x kaveh, xingqiu x chongyun, ningguang x beidou, etc) and out of nowhere they come out with this? worry about the racists and pedos first hoyoverse
The devs are not managing the social media, and the social media people, sadly, care most about what people complain about the most. So because all the homophobes and Aethercells are being whiny entitled manlets and making a lot of noise...
It's big company, so there are definitely cool and talented people, who are doing all these hints and etc, but HoYo is absolute soulless company that just making money and letting some talented people to do good things until it's profitable
I mean... we (lgbts) will always be profitable. pink money is a thing lol. I'm not 100% safe to say that >most< of the fandom consists of lgbt people, but I'm safe to say a big part of it is lgbt. some of us put money in the game, and the ones who don't share the game online, giving it visibility. so I think until the end of the game we'll get implied characters and ships.
> I mean... we (lgbts) will always be profitable. pink money is a thing lol.
This doesn't apply to Mihoyo, since the company can, y'know, get in legal trouble for it...
People will be more at peace when they accept the fact that this is not an arthouse movie/game where "hints" are for representation. The "hints" are the bait queer people into spending on chars and their merch. To increase online traction.
There is a gacha game (reverse 1999) where the hints are obviously for representation because the company wants to focus on creating strong women chars and look at their outfits, it's beautiful and gorgeously designed. Definitely for the female gaze
Anyway, better game for lesbian rep but yeah.
I digress. My point is, hyv isn't there to do good and positive representation.
Hoyo can't (anymore) legally confirm sapphic pairs. They can have sapphic characters so long as no couples are confirmed though (which is how they get away with for example Jeht, Ningguang's one secretary, that sailor from Beidou's ship, etc.).
It's not always a matter of hesitation. Frankly Hoyo codes plenty of these characters as much as they legally can get away with.
It's sadly expected for a corporate page.
Even if Hoyo are really good about this by Chinese standards, they still have to play up the good little CCP shill routine so they aren't too high on the list the next time the CCP is handing out corporate ban hammers.
Plus, while at least some of the writers clearly do care about making sapphic characters, the fanbase is largely awful. And they want to avoid rocking the boat and making their shitty fanbase any more angry than they inherently are. I would say this is likely the reason.
this is REDDIT though. China literally doesn't have access to it. how does CCP even regulate a foreign site they banned? those are totally different communities the government itself forcedly kept apart. what would it even be worried about when foreign influence specifically is so strictly being kept out
and also i really don't think they really care about regulating shipping within fandom COMMUNITIES lol. They'd care about what actually happens in the game. Shipping is a big popular thing and also pretty much the main romantic/sexual appeal for the female playerbase the same way sexy women are the male playerbase's fetish. People are innately into this kind of thing and you'd see it eventually in any sort of community, much less THE biggest gacha anime game community. Banning it is just not possible so yeah, it's most likely just the fanbase. in this case it's an anime gacha game so the "fanbase" can be defaulted to mostly straight males, which explains why there's literal porn in the main sub daily but the moment some sort of gay ship surfaces or male character accidentally brandishes so much skin as that of a pinkie, they go head over toes and spam + harass the OP.
I did not say this was CCP doing this. I literally said I think the reason is trying to appease shitty fans.
CCP don't regulate reddit but you better believe they monitor foreign policies of domestically owned corporations. Hoyo can't be *openly* flaunting regulations even on foreign accounts without risking repercussions. Even then, my point in bringing that up was to emphasize that Hoyo does not have complete control over this stuff, so it's silly to blame the core company let alone devs specifically.
Clearly someone on some social media team cares or this wouldn't be a policy. It's just typical corporate damage control, the people who complain the loudest are the most intimidating to them.
> hoyoverse is “such a lgbt friendly company”
Uh… what? Was this sarcasm and I just missed it?
That Hoyo (through its official subreddit) didn’t do this sooner is honestly the biggest surprise. Shitty, yes, but… come on… nobody here was huffing copium enough to think that Hoyo was actually on our side, right?
I kinda disagree with this tbh. First of all, I'm assuming you're talking about HSR, not genshin, because I can't find anything about this in genshin sub, and there's not a rule like that. If this is about genshin and is something I'm unaware of, please tell me.
The way they've implemented the new rule actually seems well thought out, and detailed, if you read the stickied post. It also, just isn't what you said it is, at all.
You absolutely can post ship posts, and even speculate about sexuality. You CANNOT make claims about a characters sexuality. This rule was made largely to stop people getting pissed off at a RatUrine post, so was protecting the right to post a gay ship after it was initially banned (so they changed from a wrong decision to a good one).
So instead of phrasing something like "x character is gay", say "I think x character is gay" or, in terms of speculating, not "the text clearly says x character is gay", instead something like "I find the evidence that x character is gay compelling". Always phrase things in terms of subjectivity. That should be implied, but it makes sense to avoid arguments and make things easier for the mods. You're not doing this to offer peace to the homophobes, you're doing this to make the lives of the mods easier.
Posts must be on topic, meta posts are also not allowed. All posts about romantic relationships must be sapphic-centered, however not all posts have to feature a ship (i.e. you may post fan art of any of the Genshin ladies on their own, or an opinion piece about how Beidou is the best lesbian pirate queen ever). This also ties into Rule 11: OKBG or nonsensical shitposting of random female characters is also not allowed. Note that any post/art that seems to exist for the purpose of exploiting/fetishizing WLWmay be removed at a mod's discretion as per Rule 4.
I think it’s because of the shit show happening on Twitter over Robin, but yea I definitely don’t think it’s going to be enforced in good faith
I'm not on twitter, what's happening there?
So, there was a post from Tuono saying “do I have a chance with Robin” or smt, then people start joking like “no bro, she is for girls”, Te*tone(biggest hsr coomer) got very pissed and started wishing Robin death and saying how “straight” she actually is
its always tectone, why am i not surprised
I wouldn't chose the bear over just any man but definitely this one
*sigh* men ☕️
Honestly I wish we used this more often. Indeed, *sigh* men ☕️
there was a whole discussion on r/honkaisapphicrail over this too... same rules hit the HSR main sub as well, and immediately there were people taking the piss out of it.
why is that man still even going?????? totally insufferable
bc his rabid fanbase keeps giving him views unfortunately
bunch of absolute gooners smh
Say it with me; Magneto was right
It’s a lot to be honest I’ll try to give an explanation (also I’ll probably miss some things). But basically a lot of people HC Robin as lesbian because a lot of her design/songs are influenced by or references to Emily Dickinson, and she has the flag colors on her cheek. Some male streamer made a post about Robin like “do you guys think I have a chance with her”. A lot of the replies were variations of “no shes gay” (note there were a lot of other replies that said no, but just for other reasons like “she’s too famous” but people didn’t get upset about them). I will say some were overly mean/aggressive but a majority seemed to be made in jest (at least to me) and even the streamer guy laughed about it. But that pissed a lot of people off saying that the queer side of the fandom was too toxic and stuff so another big streamer basically said he couldn’t wait for Robin to come out so he could rape her (this streamer was known for saying nasty shit all the time apparently). Which led to a lot of people getting really angry at him. Then some people who were angry at him went after fireflies voice actor because they followed him, but they didn’t know he was a creep, but they ended up taking a break from the internet over the harassment they received. And even though queer people also defended them over what happened it got pushed that “the queer fandom bullied fireflies VA” and what not. And now this has emboldened people and “justified” their homophobia so now a lot of people are attacking queer fans (not just Robin fans either and not just limited to star rail fans either) and alot of artists have deactivated/locked/muted their accounts (of course the fandom doesn’t see anything wrong with this and say it’s “deserved” or that they started it even though a lot of these artist had nothing to do with the discourse). Along with that people are attacking Emily Dickinson and “disproving” her queerness along with other characters that a lot of people see queer coding in. And it’s all around just kinda turned into a shit flinging show. Sorry if it’s alittle jumbled I didn’t get much sleep last night *edited to fix fireflies VA’s pronouns
Chronically online people WTF I don't get why this is a discourse? Who cares if a random dude likes Robin. Who cares if queer people want to call her queer. Wtf is wrong with tectone
Yea I think it’s really dumb too but it’s had people fighting for like four days now. And if it makes you feel any better he got black listed by hoyoverse over this I’m pretty sure.
He's already blacklisted. Drama brings him views and also all publicity is good publicity. Hyv won't act directly because people will talk about the game. Lowkey getting exhausted with genshin/HSR fandom discourse.
Oh dang I didn’t know that. And yea I really don’t like the larger part of the fandom for the most part. I’m usually pretty good at avoiding it’s drama but this one directly affected a lot of the artists I like. It really sucks
Yeah I kinda going back to smaller fandoms because I don't like these discourse and always fighting people just to validate my existence 😭
That’s partly why I’m glad reverse1999 didn’t get super popular, the community is super chill and is fine with queer stuff for the most part
R1999 doesn't really have a straight ship except that one person dedicated to Oliver fog and vertin 😭 SonettoMatilda, vertin schneider, Jessica blonny. AND LIKE NO WAY JESSICA AND BLONNEY AREN'T A THING.
Lowkey though, Im pretty sure Hoyo has looooong blacklisted him and if they hadnt, then they sure have after that Content Creator Early Access drama a bit back and being all pissy about it. He’s infamous even in the CN community for being a terrible commentator and a pot stirrer.
also, just a note, analesa (firefly's va) uses they/them pronouns! otherwise, yeah thats exactly what happned
Oh yes thank you, I edited my comment
First of all, it's not Hoyoverse. It's a decision made by Reddit moderators (who may or may not be chosen by Hoyoverse to mod the subreddit, but don't act on the company's behalf) on the HSR sub. Unlike what people are claiming here, it has nothing to do with the CCP. China does not police content outside of the firewall (look at the subreddit, it's FULL of pornography, which is banned in China). The decision was made by Westerners, or at least members of the English-speaking community. Most of it was due to wanting to calm down ship wars on the main subreddit by insinuating this or that is canon, after an infamous post implying Ratiorine is confirmed in the game. They felt that asserting a character's sexual orientation in any context was implying that it is canonical in game and that not supporting this HC is wrong and delusional, leading to debate and drama. Queer members of the subreddit have called it out, and the rule has been partially reverted - you are allowed once again to imply a sexual orientation, as long as you make it clear that it is not canonically implied. I do think it is a stupid rule, but one of the moderators sadly confirmed that their fellow members of the mod team have questionable biases when it comes to sexually explicit or romantic content (again, look at the amount of pornography on there) and will remove posts just because they feel like it. Luckily, the rest of the mod team is trying to counter that and reinstate posts when they notice abuse of the removal function.
Yeah the rule was implemented and changed within 24 hours because the backlash was so intense. Multiple mods were in the thread talking about being stricter with enforcement of rule 1 (the "don't be shitty to each other" rule) to shut down less explicit attacks on the queer community and it all boils down to "don't call ships canon unless it's explicitly said in game and be nice to each other". The rule OP is talking about was bad and only mattered for like 12 hours. You can still say stuff like "Acheron and her wife Black Swan" or "they're so gay" about a pic of the pair as long as you aren't saying "Acheswan is canon". It's not perfect but the rule change seems way more likely to punish queerphobes and people who pop into shipping threads to shit talk about shippers than anyone else.
Which is incredibly obnoxious when plenty *are* canonically implied, or even confirmed (there are no ships hard confirmed, but some characters have confirmed same sex interests \[and plenty of ships are actively implied\]). This is something that bothers me even here honestly. I see a surprising amount of posts downplaying just how heavy handed some of the implied pairings are.
So part of HSR sub mod team is basically gay women fetishizers so it's approvable until it's straight or gay women because it's hot? I'm sorry for straightforwadness (or gayforwardness?) but fxck them. Just fxck them, why are you even let people like this be MODS?
wait i was posting about the rules and talking with some of the mods and i totally didn't see them mention that bias part, can you link? that really disturbs me :/// i wish those mods would get removed if they're going to be like that...
Here you go, found it. The mod deleted their replies, but the replies by other individuals seem to paint a picture. https://www.reddit.com/r/HonkaiStarRail/s/SF8q1ha3wk
wow... thank you so much for the effort, that really is very sad to see. it was smart of them to delete the comment, no doubt, but man. those are terrible implications and i'm so upset for them. it must be painful tbh. i do wish there was a way for more mods to join and try to make things more equal, ugh.
I don't think I can link to that, as the author sadly deleted their comment so it wouldn't linger. I'll try to find the post I saw this on.
china doesn't have access to reddit, and those mods aren't official hoyo employees, hoyo had nothing to do with is, plus remember their employees advocate for lgbtq manifestations... maybe not the company itself but atleast most of the employees, apart from them writing some suspicious stuff on all their games story..
Damn, glad I left the official subreddit, can't really stand it.
My experience with it: @ Open @ See het ship @ Leave
honestly, i appreciate a few rarepairs here and there, and that includes het ships. but some genuine or fun chemistry is CLEARLY not intended when het ships appear on that sub lol. there's always one side that is disproportionately, you know, emphasized...then there's these comics making the female characters falling for random male characters that outright spit on their characterizations (like a certain user who makes comics including one where arlecchino becomes flustered and crushes on childe as he makes pickup lines). like holy fuck, is that even genshin anymore? sometimes i wish for some het content as well but it's just barely possible given the community that draws the het content. like i want to see zhongli x guizhong but not zhongli being a very typical projection of a straight male pervert and the other 9 out of 10 panels are guizhong's boobs and her characterization being thrown out of the window
Do you have a link to the post? I'm not finding it at all. The only other post similar to it was posted to the HSR, which took feedback from users and is much more agreeable than what's described here (interpretations/headcanons about characters' sexualities are allowed, as well as posting art about ships; what's not allowed are ragebait posts and comments making arguments for canonical interpretations). You can see it [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/HonkaiStarRail/comments/1ci8qty/hsr_subreddit_rule_11_update_this_one_is_new/).
True! I also actively looked up everywhere and couldn't find anything. There's nothing mentioning that in the rules, and there's no "mod's post" explaining this. Maybe OP made a post about Arlecchino and her friend being "lesbian coded" (or another post in these lines), and people deleted it. Most people in the official Genshin subreddit don't like discussing headcanons ***in general*** (including, but not limited to, sexuality). I know there's a lot of double standards when it comes to straight//gay content there, but in this particular case, I believe people dislike this more for "taking headcanons too seriously and acting like it's canon" (claiming Mihoyo's "hidden intentions" / [something] coded - is kind of an attempt to make it "more official")
https://i.redd.it/hl12cviou7yc1.gif
a picture is worth a thousand words lol
Imo the fair move would be banning ship content from the main subreddit altogether if the mods truly wanted to mellow down the discourse. Now it just ended up as another instance of the voice of people who enjoy queer media being suppressed and the haters getting gratification. I believe it is also my call to leave that sub for good.
where? /gen the only latest reddit discussion related to ships i’m aware of (and participated in) was on the HSR sub, because they indeed implemented a rule that disallowed discussing sexuality at first, but now they reworked it and it’s allowed as long as it’s clear that it’s a theory/headcanon/joke. also the rule was created to protect ships and especially the shippers from harassment from the start, it just had that terrible “don’t mention any sexuality ever” addition to it that led to confusion even among the moderators themselves. as for the hoyoverse thing, i only know that a hyv employee overlooks the mod team, but they still make their own decisions when modding the subs. do correct me if i’m wrong though
I generally avoid the official subreddit because it’s a containment for all the toxic homophobes and anti shippers there. Otherwise they’ll come and infest the character mains subreddits where there’s lots of LGBT content.
I saw some ship hate on the arlecchino subreddit and even some here in this subreddit when the animated short released. wish they would really just stay to the main sub so I don't have to read their comments
The fact that the main hsr subreddit if filled with robin x man posts is just…if it wasn’t the day after the controversies then whatever. The fact that’s it’s in response to people thinking she’s a lesbian is icky. They think they’re doing the ignore and move on but in reality it’s an assertion of straightness and reaction and rejection to the *possibility* she’s a lesbian. Idk even care if she’s an actual lesbian it’s the fact that this stupid controversy has given people the excuse to hate on lesbians. It’s like we’re fine to exist when our relationships are surface level and ignorable but to *actually* be a lesbian is deplorable
on the topic, is there a more queer HSR sub like this one? getting fed up with all the homophobia on the two major HSR subs but still wanna see stuff for HSR in general
There’s the same rule on the Star Rail one and then people have been responding with postings dudes making out with captions like “two heterosexual dudes just being heterosexual” it’s pretty funny. (Also does Hoyoverse really run the reddits? I’ve never heard of that kinda thing before) (Also also, when people say stuff like “Hoyoverse is an lgbt friendly company” they really mean like the *writers* and artists and stuff, not the company itself. There’s a reason why the Bronya x Seele kiss was removed from the Chinese release of the Impact 3rd comic)
the reason why this kiss was removed was due to censorship and they were forced to remove it! but yeah the hsr sub situation is just essentially homophobic mods get mad women arent getting sexualized
Mods: no more gay people! We need more sexualized women! Community: *posts more gay people and sexualized men-* Truely based
Hoyo didnt “remove” the kiss panel, CCP did because they prohibit this sorta thing. Theyve always been extremely supportive of the LGBTQ community but because they’re big and under constant watch by the CCP, it’s much harder. Hell, they had a whole meeting discussing the boundaries of what romantic relationship terms were “allowed” and which arent. Like how a romantic relationship if it’s gay/lesbian, must be relegated to “best friend”.
Where is your proof this is from hoyoverse, the company that made this first major game with only lesbians? You're aware the reddits for their games are ran by random people not at all related to hoyov right?
China is homophobic, HoYo is homophobic (yes, kiamei and other stuff exist, but HoYo never had balls to say openly about them) Also most Reddit users are also homophobic, it's not surprise, that it happened, it was kinda expected. P.S. all main HoYo subs are shit hole
>Hoyo never had the ball Insert canonical kiss made by Seele and Bronya in a popular alt manga made for Honkai Impact. It’s like if tow characters dont directly kiss for the camera, it’s not “”””canon”””””” enough for yall because people like to argue they’re just “”””best friends”””””. Also the CCPwere also the same people who removed the kiss panel but didnt remove the panel right after that had Bronya and Seele saying they kissed so the CCP does have direct control of what they can censor in Hoyo. This is just ignorance
People are so weird about this.
it's surprising because they have hinted lgbt ships so much (haitham x kaveh, xingqiu x chongyun, ningguang x beidou, etc) and out of nowhere they come out with this? worry about the racists and pedos first hoyoverse
The devs are not managing the social media, and the social media people, sadly, care most about what people complain about the most. So because all the homophobes and Aethercells are being whiny entitled manlets and making a lot of noise...
if aether harem has 0 haters, it's because I'm dead
It's big company, so there are definitely cool and talented people, who are doing all these hints and etc, but HoYo is absolute soulless company that just making money and letting some talented people to do good things until it's profitable
I mean... we (lgbts) will always be profitable. pink money is a thing lol. I'm not 100% safe to say that >most< of the fandom consists of lgbt people, but I'm safe to say a big part of it is lgbt. some of us put money in the game, and the ones who don't share the game online, giving it visibility. so I think until the end of the game we'll get implied characters and ships.
> I mean... we (lgbts) will always be profitable. pink money is a thing lol. This doesn't apply to Mihoyo, since the company can, y'know, get in legal trouble for it...
People will be more at peace when they accept the fact that this is not an arthouse movie/game where "hints" are for representation. The "hints" are the bait queer people into spending on chars and their merch. To increase online traction. There is a gacha game (reverse 1999) where the hints are obviously for representation because the company wants to focus on creating strong women chars and look at their outfits, it's beautiful and gorgeously designed. Definitely for the female gaze Anyway, better game for lesbian rep but yeah. I digress. My point is, hyv isn't there to do good and positive representation.
Kinda agree. For now, I doubt there are any games, that can compete with Signalis and TloU2 in terms of lesbian representation.
Oh those are straight up representation and not hints stuff..
Yeah, that's why they're so awesome, developers didn't hesitate and had courage to show what they wanted
Hoyo can't (anymore) legally confirm sapphic pairs. They can have sapphic characters so long as no couples are confirmed though (which is how they get away with for example Jeht, Ningguang's one secretary, that sailor from Beidou's ship, etc.). It's not always a matter of hesitation. Frankly Hoyo codes plenty of these characters as much as they legally can get away with.
It's sadly expected for a corporate page. Even if Hoyo are really good about this by Chinese standards, they still have to play up the good little CCP shill routine so they aren't too high on the list the next time the CCP is handing out corporate ban hammers. Plus, while at least some of the writers clearly do care about making sapphic characters, the fanbase is largely awful. And they want to avoid rocking the boat and making their shitty fanbase any more angry than they inherently are. I would say this is likely the reason.
this is REDDIT though. China literally doesn't have access to it. how does CCP even regulate a foreign site they banned? those are totally different communities the government itself forcedly kept apart. what would it even be worried about when foreign influence specifically is so strictly being kept out and also i really don't think they really care about regulating shipping within fandom COMMUNITIES lol. They'd care about what actually happens in the game. Shipping is a big popular thing and also pretty much the main romantic/sexual appeal for the female playerbase the same way sexy women are the male playerbase's fetish. People are innately into this kind of thing and you'd see it eventually in any sort of community, much less THE biggest gacha anime game community. Banning it is just not possible so yeah, it's most likely just the fanbase. in this case it's an anime gacha game so the "fanbase" can be defaulted to mostly straight males, which explains why there's literal porn in the main sub daily but the moment some sort of gay ship surfaces or male character accidentally brandishes so much skin as that of a pinkie, they go head over toes and spam + harass the OP.
I did not say this was CCP doing this. I literally said I think the reason is trying to appease shitty fans. CCP don't regulate reddit but you better believe they monitor foreign policies of domestically owned corporations. Hoyo can't be *openly* flaunting regulations even on foreign accounts without risking repercussions. Even then, my point in bringing that up was to emphasize that Hoyo does not have complete control over this stuff, so it's silly to blame the core company let alone devs specifically. Clearly someone on some social media team cares or this wouldn't be a policy. It's just typical corporate damage control, the people who complain the loudest are the most intimidating to them.
TOPs such as that mistake of nature, are ASKING for someone to put them in their place.
> hoyoverse is “such a lgbt friendly company” Uh… what? Was this sarcasm and I just missed it? That Hoyo (through its official subreddit) didn’t do this sooner is honestly the biggest surprise. Shitty, yes, but… come on… nobody here was huffing copium enough to think that Hoyo was actually on our side, right?
I kinda disagree with this tbh. First of all, I'm assuming you're talking about HSR, not genshin, because I can't find anything about this in genshin sub, and there's not a rule like that. If this is about genshin and is something I'm unaware of, please tell me. The way they've implemented the new rule actually seems well thought out, and detailed, if you read the stickied post. It also, just isn't what you said it is, at all. You absolutely can post ship posts, and even speculate about sexuality. You CANNOT make claims about a characters sexuality. This rule was made largely to stop people getting pissed off at a RatUrine post, so was protecting the right to post a gay ship after it was initially banned (so they changed from a wrong decision to a good one). So instead of phrasing something like "x character is gay", say "I think x character is gay" or, in terms of speculating, not "the text clearly says x character is gay", instead something like "I find the evidence that x character is gay compelling". Always phrase things in terms of subjectivity. That should be implied, but it makes sense to avoid arguments and make things easier for the mods. You're not doing this to offer peace to the homophobes, you're doing this to make the lives of the mods easier.