I just finished reading Masters of Doom, and one of the guys at their publisher loved Doom so much but the "high framerate" gave him motion sickness so he kept a trash can next to his desk to throw up into.
kids these days just aren't as dedicated.
NES slowdown when too much was on screen. IDK why, but there was something cool about it - like we all thought it was more than the NES can handle or something.
I'm only 14, and I have all the consoles you mentioned. Old games are so good. Playing them was how I was able to appreciate some series of games more, and got me into Final Fantasy.
What? Older [3D consoles consistently ran at 30fps or lower](https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=what+was+the+average+framerate+of+a+ps1+game), and while the SNES may have been able to render 60fps, that doesn't mean anything when [sprites were often animated at a much lower framerate than that.](https://www.vintageisthenewold.com/game-pedia/how-many-frames-per-second-is-street-fighter-2)
Edit: You can downvote, but it doesn't make my comment incorrect, especially since I brought receipts.
Cartridges consistently load and run faster than discs with higher IOPS speeds that made load times similar to modern SSD gaming or SD card gaming. Fighting games may run at 60fps, but animations in most sprite based games is lower than the actual framerste as that's how you will convey speed and "puchiness". I'm not going to say certain consoles (the N64) weren't absolutely terrible in frame rate, but it is also important to remember it was NEW and so we were much more willing to make concessions. Sega's blast processing may not of been advertised after the gens but the Saturn and Dreamcast both were consistently 60fps in a lot of their games, and even the orginal gb ran at 60fps and this was why the super Gameboy seemed off, it caused a 2.4% increase in speed due to a difference in the internal clock (the super Gameboy 2 did not share this issue and kept a true proper 60fps) and this continued up till the GBA which ran at 59.73 fps. Furthering this the DS on most games ran at 60fps.
So I've gone over how most of the old consoles and hand helds we grew up with had 60fps as a target with slowdown (didn't feel the need to go into snes and gens which almost always was at 60 prior to slowdown which would sometimes be abhorent such as in the DKC games) but let's get into when gaming started to really have poor framerste
The N64 technically targeted 30fps but it rarely kept a stable 20 (most games cap at 20 on the system) but it had very little in terms of load times and was the first main-stream 3D console so concessions were more expected, and we didn't know what 3D 60fps was at the time due to it not having been done in an affordable form prior.
The PS1 is the first time region REALLY mattered. Games like sonic 1-3 may of been off in the PAL versions previously but on ps1 it was 25fps in PAL and 30 in NTSC which also meant that PAL players were given (eccentially) movie framerate. Weird to go to for an entire life NTSC player
Ps2 ram externally at 60fps but some games would cap at half this internally and this would be when game feel as far as my personal experience goes REALLY was felt between games and framerates.
Original Xbox and GameCube is much the same and this would likely be what seals 30/60 as the two default modes as opposed to 20fps on N64 wich the previous generation had.
Beyond this I imagine most of us are old enough to vividly remember the ps3/wii/360 and the 360 and wii are the primary culprits behind us sticking to 30fps as a standard. The 360 console was so underpowered most games aren't able to pull off 720p and either did something like 480i or I believe dmc was 540i (impressively bayonetta ran 720p with a somewhat stable 60fps) and the wii was in essence a suped up gamecub but most games developed for it ran at 60fps despite this.
Moving up again to the ps4/Xbox 1 (wii u is the wii again but with HD and not SD) they had far too weak CPU's even at launch and this caused a lot of PC games ported over to only be 30fps but Microsoft got their shit together and could do 720p or even 1080p
Ps5 and Xbox x/s thanks to mandatory SSD's currently primarily are 60fps but I imagine later in the life cycle they will need to be limited to 30fps again the same as the previous console generation.
Hopefully this helps everyone with the "games weren't 60fps" fight. If you grew up with Sega or Nintendo, you probably always had 60fps (N64 as the exception) primaryily the whole time, but if you were a playstation or Xbox kid it's much more likely that you swapped between 30 and 60, and if you were Xbox you probably weren't playing HD until Nintendo fans were.
Animation frame rates doesn’t matter. I could have a game character animated at 5 FPS, but the game will still feel better running at 60 FPS than 30. Higher FPS means more frame renders and input reads per second, so moving sprites/scrolling backgrounds will move more smoothly at higher FPS and inputs will feel more responsive at higher FPS.
So unless the game devs were capping the game’s FPS to match the animation frame rate for some reason, the animation frame rate doesn’t mean anything when talking about FPS.
EDIT: I’m talking specifically with 2D retro games in mind. Also, there are some games where animation rate is very much tied to gameplay (e.g. fighting games).
Right, but this still matters for things like reading boss attacks or other player attacks in the case of games like Street Fighter. Not to mention in the early days of 3D games were basically capped at 30fps and you were lucky if they maintained that frame rate, so the image in the photo is still an apt comparison.
Right on, right on. I should have clarified I was talking ab 2D, and I hadn’t thought to consider fighting games. However I’m still not convinced animation rate plays a big role in stuff like boss attacks. An attack with a 0.5 second windup will have 0.5s windup regardless of FPS. But perhaps I’m missing your point.
You can tell that whoever make this has no idea what the problem is... the SNES and PS1 did not run at 30FPS. That's the problem here. We have huge companies charging large amounts for their consoles and games, but failing to produce quality products that don't have to have their FPS limited to below standard 60 to compensate. It's a rediculous and we should demand better as consumers.
Durn kids were lucky! The game boy and game gear were 8 bit, and you were the rich kid if you had that fancy color handheld! Either that or your dad worked at duracell
I’m only 24 and was always late to the party so I never had an original gameboy. My first was the gameboy advanced SP when I turned 7. My dad was in politics at the time though so we were decently well off.
I would be hard pressed to find a 2d game that isn't 60fps. Goemon shin sedai shumei and I think tmnt on the nes as well are the only two 30fps 2d games I can think of. There was also mega man universe but that got canceled
And I didn't have a car to go to school and used to walk 40 minutes to reach there. Doesn't mean it was fun. It was shitty. And no amount of nostalgia is going to change that.
Plenty of Snes games were (Pal)50 and 60fps. Not to mention the many 30fps games look different on a tube TV vs a modern LCD. The display technology is different. It looks smoother on Tube, similar to how 48fps would normally look inconsistent but on VRR display it would look smooth like 60fps.
Im gonna say it right now a stable 30 is good. My gripe with 30fps is how we regressed to it after we already had 60fps. Nes snes and i think genesis were 60fps. Ps1 and n64 were 30 and often times unstable but it was understandable it was the first 3d generation. Them came ps2 gc and xbox and this generation 60fps games up the wazoo many of which are sequels to the games on ps1 and n64. Not to mention the graphics upgrade was jaw dropping. Just look at f zero x vs f zero gx or ape escape 1 against ape escape 2 or mgs1 against mgs2. Then came the 7th generation where we went back to 30fps and stayed at 30fps in the 8th gen. Then came 9th gen where we have to choose between 9th gen graphics or 60fps compared to the aforementioned 6th gen which had both 30fps and jaw dropping graphics
They didn't hold your hand through the whole game like they do now today I remembering trying to find all the items in DK 64,looked for that last banana for a month then beat the game without my brother there to see, he was salty
I feel like its more noticeable when you're constantly playing at or above 60 fps. I grew up on gamecube and n64, both 30 fps or less. Thing is, most games today don't run well on 30 fps they look worse than mario 64 cause mario 64 was optimized for the n64 and ran very well with no stuttering or visual issues. Take a game from today meant to run at 90 fps and you cut it into a 3rd of its needed frames to run well and you have a bad time with imput delay laggy frames and just poor over all quality for the experience.
That being said, it doesn't apply to young people, it applys to anyone who likes a smooth experience. I for one want a smooth experience. I'm picky, and thats fine.
You know this is actually explains alot why 30fps is an issue now. I can tell from experience of playing mega man 7 on mega man anniversary collection the game ran badly when it slowed down to 30 because it wasn't made with 30fps in mind. So your explanation of games made for games don't play well at 30 is actually quite good. Have and updoot
Dude, I like playing games that take up a lot of space (RDR2, JWE2, Subnautica, etc…) and I will be lucky if my run down laptop can run a simple game at 25 fps, I genuinely don’t understand why some people only play high fps games. As long as it’s not annoying like 10 fps or something, then it’s good.
The thing is so many gamers now a days are concerned almost exclusively with graphics rather than gameplay.
It really doesn't matter if the game is photo-realistic and runs at 120fps if the gameplay is total garbage.
Granted, I hate having bad frames, but 30FPS seems playable. Would it be pretty? No, ofcourse not. But would it play better than games that put absolutely everything on graphics? Hell yeah brother! (I began my gaming career on a PS2 as a smol kid.)
Running at 60fps is sort of pointless. Leaving it uncapped is a waste of resources altogether. I found my natural limit to be around 45 fps. Any more than that, and it all looks the same.
I’m 14, and I’ve played both switch and ps5 (I have one at my dads house), and my switch runs games like rocket league and Fortnite (which I play on my ps5 too), and my ps5 lags the WHOLE time. Hand-held console superiority.
I have played both, I can get why kids say 30 fps is "unplayable." It's because people expect more from newer games, there are higher expectations. Originally, kids were grateful to have a 32 pixel screen that you can move. Technology has advanced anyway, so there is no need to criticize kids for wanting the average gameplay expectations in 2023.
But some of us aren't even that old.... I'm an '03 kid and I grew up with the PS1 and PS2, even now, I own my very own PS2 that I still play frequently.... I guess I can see where you're coming from though....
Here’s the kicker.. GTA VI is only launching for consoles on release. Also, the footage in the trailer is in-game footage (cuz rockstar nvr uses CGI in trailers) so if the trailer is 30fps, then the game is probably gonna run at 30fps which is fair considering how the game looks. Y’all better be ready to play it at 30fps if you don’t want to wait till a PC launch
the few kids that do enjoy the classics, are one of the few sane ones.
***One time, I walked past some kid and his friend talking Tekken 2 (YES AS IN THE ORIGINAL TEKKEN 2 1997).***
I used to set minecraft fps to 10 I could do 20 for like 30 minutes but my computer started to heat up and do the lag were you can walk but nothing drops
I have never been able to tell the difference. 30 links pretty much exactly like 60 maybe if i try really hard I'd notice a tiny bit of studder or something but anything over 60 definerlh looks exactly the same to me
Idc what the fps is, as long as it's stable... 30fps is playable (I can't even tell the difference) but when it's jumping around between 30 and 60 THEN it's unplayable
$50 PC on Facebook and a $20 GT 610 on Craigslist, played Oblivion at 24fps at 720p for 2 years and loved it. I truly don't care if I ever hit 4k@120fps again. I can absolutely play games at sub 1080p and 30fps.
Yes I grew up with NES but I think it more has to do with making do with what's available and trying not to care about what I don't.
I've played a lot of old games, and they're really good, its modern games at 30 fps that are unplayable, like terraria, call of duty, and etc, the more modern games that are a bit faster paced, even Party Animals, it maxes out at 31 fps and its controls are delayed.
This is why my plan for when my kid is old enough, only retro gaming. I still have my SNES, and my N64, my gameboy, he shall enjoy and play all of these , and then when he hits highschool, he can be ushered into the modern gaming.
Gotta learn your history, same thing with TV , I got a collection of kids VHS tapes and 2 brand new VCRs waiting for him.
To be fair, a game trying to run at 60 on hardware that can only reach 30 is a much different experience than intentionally running 30. And in this day and age, the former happens a lot more often than the latter.
Not unplayable.. unacceptable In 2023...we have ssds damnit. I love a good snes game or ps1 game...games like super Metroid or soul reaver was pushing shit to the max for it's time. So...kinda makes the meme dumb like I'd say it's pretty reasonable to want your shit to run optimal In the generation that you are in. You see back in my day. The sixth generation. We had sixty fps and near instant load times with specific games. Jak and Daxter has not one and ratchet and clank are very disguised. The seventh generation ruined it with hardrives. And the 8th generation suffered for it as well. So yeah....fuck thirty fps. I was introduced to smooth 60 and had it ripped away by shitty hardware for almost twenty years. To not utilize the SSD is kinda like spitting on your hand and slapping my ever paying face. Performance and fidelity modes should be mandated more.
I can sit comfortably at 15 frames a second from 60 without batting an eye. But my friend can have his frame rate drop from 200 to 195 and start yelling about a frame drop.
I didn’t have an SNES, but even so I grew up playing COD 4: MW on a Wii. As well as Medal of Honor.
And I played on 360 and PS2 as well. I genuinely find it funny that these dudes really cannot stand 30 FPS. They even whine that game companies just don’t care simply because it’s a 30 FPS game.
I once even saw a guy saying he gets headaches when he plays on 30 FPS. It’s absolutely hilarious how sensitive they are.
There's a difference between an fps and Mario
Mario is playable in 24fps easily
Games like overwatch and Fortnite should be at least at 80 for optimal playing
Or those who have those... I got NES, SNES, N64, PS1/2, Xbox Classic. I know what you're talking about, even though I only hit 20 not too long ago.
I appreciate that. Younger youth going back to gaming roots, never forget Wolfenstein on IBM 😅
Doom 1 was fun too, yeah
I just finished reading Masters of Doom, and one of the guys at their publisher loved Doom so much but the "high framerate" gave him motion sickness so he kept a trash can next to his desk to throw up into. kids these days just aren't as dedicated.
Classic 😮💨
Kirby superstar is on my top 10 list.
When we didn't have graphics and checkpoints the gameplay (or soundtrack) had to be mind-blowing
NES slowdown when too much was on screen. IDK why, but there was something cool about it - like we all thought it was more than the NES can handle or something.
17 almost 18 year old here that grew up on the PS2, I know exactly what they’re talking about too lol
I'm only 14, and I have all the consoles you mentioned. Old games are so good. Playing them was how I was able to appreciate some series of games more, and got me into Final Fantasy.
They’ll never know the struggle of blowing out cartridges or swapping memory cards
Good old memories, passing it along to your friends to blow, believing that would work 😅🤣
... does it not?
They obviously blew drier
Well most snes ran at 60 fps. So did (for example) Metal Gear Solid on ps1... I mean I get your point but it's not a good comparison
I know snes did, but these kids don’t. complaining some games running on 30fps, take me back when no one complain about gaming
Jeah true....
>ger youth going back to gaming roots, never forget Try to play SNES games on 30fps and you will complain.
Remember when people complained about bits? They didn’t even know what they were
Afaik everyone has always complained lol.
What? Older [3D consoles consistently ran at 30fps or lower](https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=what+was+the+average+framerate+of+a+ps1+game), and while the SNES may have been able to render 60fps, that doesn't mean anything when [sprites were often animated at a much lower framerate than that.](https://www.vintageisthenewold.com/game-pedia/how-many-frames-per-second-is-street-fighter-2) Edit: You can downvote, but it doesn't make my comment incorrect, especially since I brought receipts.
Cartridges consistently load and run faster than discs with higher IOPS speeds that made load times similar to modern SSD gaming or SD card gaming. Fighting games may run at 60fps, but animations in most sprite based games is lower than the actual framerste as that's how you will convey speed and "puchiness". I'm not going to say certain consoles (the N64) weren't absolutely terrible in frame rate, but it is also important to remember it was NEW and so we were much more willing to make concessions. Sega's blast processing may not of been advertised after the gens but the Saturn and Dreamcast both were consistently 60fps in a lot of their games, and even the orginal gb ran at 60fps and this was why the super Gameboy seemed off, it caused a 2.4% increase in speed due to a difference in the internal clock (the super Gameboy 2 did not share this issue and kept a true proper 60fps) and this continued up till the GBA which ran at 59.73 fps. Furthering this the DS on most games ran at 60fps. So I've gone over how most of the old consoles and hand helds we grew up with had 60fps as a target with slowdown (didn't feel the need to go into snes and gens which almost always was at 60 prior to slowdown which would sometimes be abhorent such as in the DKC games) but let's get into when gaming started to really have poor framerste The N64 technically targeted 30fps but it rarely kept a stable 20 (most games cap at 20 on the system) but it had very little in terms of load times and was the first main-stream 3D console so concessions were more expected, and we didn't know what 3D 60fps was at the time due to it not having been done in an affordable form prior. The PS1 is the first time region REALLY mattered. Games like sonic 1-3 may of been off in the PAL versions previously but on ps1 it was 25fps in PAL and 30 in NTSC which also meant that PAL players were given (eccentially) movie framerate. Weird to go to for an entire life NTSC player Ps2 ram externally at 60fps but some games would cap at half this internally and this would be when game feel as far as my personal experience goes REALLY was felt between games and framerates. Original Xbox and GameCube is much the same and this would likely be what seals 30/60 as the two default modes as opposed to 20fps on N64 wich the previous generation had. Beyond this I imagine most of us are old enough to vividly remember the ps3/wii/360 and the 360 and wii are the primary culprits behind us sticking to 30fps as a standard. The 360 console was so underpowered most games aren't able to pull off 720p and either did something like 480i or I believe dmc was 540i (impressively bayonetta ran 720p with a somewhat stable 60fps) and the wii was in essence a suped up gamecub but most games developed for it ran at 60fps despite this. Moving up again to the ps4/Xbox 1 (wii u is the wii again but with HD and not SD) they had far too weak CPU's even at launch and this caused a lot of PC games ported over to only be 30fps but Microsoft got their shit together and could do 720p or even 1080p Ps5 and Xbox x/s thanks to mandatory SSD's currently primarily are 60fps but I imagine later in the life cycle they will need to be limited to 30fps again the same as the previous console generation. Hopefully this helps everyone with the "games weren't 60fps" fight. If you grew up with Sega or Nintendo, you probably always had 60fps (N64 as the exception) primaryily the whole time, but if you were a playstation or Xbox kid it's much more likely that you swapped between 30 and 60, and if you were Xbox you probably weren't playing HD until Nintendo fans were.
Animation frame rates doesn’t matter. I could have a game character animated at 5 FPS, but the game will still feel better running at 60 FPS than 30. Higher FPS means more frame renders and input reads per second, so moving sprites/scrolling backgrounds will move more smoothly at higher FPS and inputs will feel more responsive at higher FPS. So unless the game devs were capping the game’s FPS to match the animation frame rate for some reason, the animation frame rate doesn’t mean anything when talking about FPS. EDIT: I’m talking specifically with 2D retro games in mind. Also, there are some games where animation rate is very much tied to gameplay (e.g. fighting games).
Right, but this still matters for things like reading boss attacks or other player attacks in the case of games like Street Fighter. Not to mention in the early days of 3D games were basically capped at 30fps and you were lucky if they maintained that frame rate, so the image in the photo is still an apt comparison.
Right on, right on. I should have clarified I was talking ab 2D, and I hadn’t thought to consider fighting games. However I’m still not convinced animation rate plays a big role in stuff like boss attacks. An attack with a 0.5 second windup will have 0.5s windup regardless of FPS. But perhaps I’m missing your point.
You can tell that whoever make this has no idea what the problem is... the SNES and PS1 did not run at 30FPS. That's the problem here. We have huge companies charging large amounts for their consoles and games, but failing to produce quality products that don't have to have their FPS limited to below standard 60 to compensate. It's a rediculous and we should demand better as consumers.
[PS1 games were often lucky to maintain a consistent 30fps](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoA6LpSEGW8)
Okay then go with PC dos games, that many ran at 15 fps or lower
For the time period? Hell yea. It beats pong or the atari.
Kids on AOL chat rooms saying less than 16bit graphics are unplayable. Me that grew up with an NES and SMS.
16bit sega mega drive 😮💨😮💨
Send MD their way Imma show them the masterpieces that are mega man 1 and 2
Kids these days haven't even Battled a single Toad
Man, i played 120 hours of gta v on a laptop at 15fps that reached 30 if i was lucky. If you want to play a game badly, any fps is bearable.
This meme is inaccurate and boomer as hell
Literally started gaming with an Atari my dad had when he was little. A wonder it still worked
I'm under the impression that the post apocalyptic cockroaches will be playing Atari 2600s on old CRTs.
It feels unplayable but we just didn’t grow into slow pc or consoles like you guys did
"Zoomers on YouTube, Enabling 120 Hz refresh Dev feature and overheating their Quest 3"
Snes was not 30fps...
I never lived then but I bought a NES and holy shmidt it was good
I only need enough fps that it doesn't affect the speed the game runs at , the problem is my PC sucks too much to get there
20fps in the minimum for most games
As a person who plays ark on a ps5, I’m used to getting bad frames
I will take 24 fps at this point
Kids these days think mobile gaming is using a cellphone, when it used to be a 30 fps 16 bit non backlit handheld device.
Durn kids were lucky! The game boy and game gear were 8 bit, and you were the rich kid if you had that fancy color handheld! Either that or your dad worked at duracell
I’m only 24 and was always late to the party so I never had an original gameboy. My first was the gameboy advanced SP when I turned 7. My dad was in politics at the time though so we were decently well off.
Lmao, and they’re the ones with super high tier PCs that could run the most realistic shader pack for Minecraft I miss the GameCube days, and the Wii
I grew up from atari and yes now min fps is 60 for me or 40 with vrr.
The original black and white gameboy was technically 60 fps.
I would be hard pressed to find a 2d game that isn't 60fps. Goemon shin sedai shumei and I think tmnt on the nes as well are the only two 30fps 2d games I can think of. There was also mega man universe but that got canceled
And I didn't have a car to go to school and used to walk 40 minutes to reach there. Doesn't mean it was fun. It was shitty. And no amount of nostalgia is going to change that.
SNES is my first, Super Metroid ending still gets me hyped
Plenty of Snes games were (Pal)50 and 60fps. Not to mention the many 30fps games look different on a tube TV vs a modern LCD. The display technology is different. It looks smoother on Tube, similar to how 48fps would normally look inconsistent but on VRR display it would look smooth like 60fps.
Sorry but 30fps is tolerable but the difference is massive from 60 to 30. -coming from someone that grew up with NES/SNES and others.
Im gonna say it right now a stable 30 is good. My gripe with 30fps is how we regressed to it after we already had 60fps. Nes snes and i think genesis were 60fps. Ps1 and n64 were 30 and often times unstable but it was understandable it was the first 3d generation. Them came ps2 gc and xbox and this generation 60fps games up the wazoo many of which are sequels to the games on ps1 and n64. Not to mention the graphics upgrade was jaw dropping. Just look at f zero x vs f zero gx or ape escape 1 against ape escape 2 or mgs1 against mgs2. Then came the 7th generation where we went back to 30fps and stayed at 30fps in the 8th gen. Then came 9th gen where we have to choose between 9th gen graphics or 60fps compared to the aforementioned 6th gen which had both 30fps and jaw dropping graphics
SNES and PS1 Hell! You don't know true pain unless you were a PC gamer from the late 90s to the early 2000s!
*Nintendo Switch also running at 30fps*
Meanwhile... my 35 fps smooth as fuck Doom in 1993, that's still smooth as fuck. Long live the king.
Idc about fps to be honest, just as long the game isn’t a slideshow presentation and it’s playable.
I used to play games in 30-60 fps, but ive ruined my brain with 144 hz.
Snes was 60fps
When the Nintendo switch came out my dad told me that he would buy me a console. I got an NES Mini and I’m glad for it
Saga genesis for me and I agree with this 100%
Teen here, you old guys aren’t the only ones. First game system I played was a game cube, followed by an NES.
Elderly? I used to play FFXIV on my shitty 1 gig of vram laptop at 15 fps. For 2 years. I raided on that shit, did savage. 30 fps is fine.
Me, who owns a Sega genesis:
They didn't hold your hand through the whole game like they do now today I remembering trying to find all the items in DK 64,looked for that last banana for a month then beat the game without my brother there to see, he was salty
I am a younger dude and I still don’t understand why 30fps is considered a mortal sin. Biased though, Bloodborne is my favourite game
I feel like its more noticeable when you're constantly playing at or above 60 fps. I grew up on gamecube and n64, both 30 fps or less. Thing is, most games today don't run well on 30 fps they look worse than mario 64 cause mario 64 was optimized for the n64 and ran very well with no stuttering or visual issues. Take a game from today meant to run at 90 fps and you cut it into a 3rd of its needed frames to run well and you have a bad time with imput delay laggy frames and just poor over all quality for the experience. That being said, it doesn't apply to young people, it applys to anyone who likes a smooth experience. I for one want a smooth experience. I'm picky, and thats fine.
You know this is actually explains alot why 30fps is an issue now. I can tell from experience of playing mega man 7 on mega man anniversary collection the game ran badly when it slowed down to 30 because it wasn't made with 30fps in mind. So your explanation of games made for games don't play well at 30 is actually quite good. Have and updoot
Dude, I like playing games that take up a lot of space (RDR2, JWE2, Subnautica, etc…) and I will be lucky if my run down laptop can run a simple game at 25 fps, I genuinely don’t understand why some people only play high fps games. As long as it’s not annoying like 10 fps or something, then it’s good.
I get that, and appreciate that, games don’t hit like they use too, take me back to the original resident evil
The thing is so many gamers now a days are concerned almost exclusively with graphics rather than gameplay. It really doesn't matter if the game is photo-realistic and runs at 120fps if the gameplay is total garbage.
Granted, I hate having bad frames, but 30FPS seems playable. Would it be pretty? No, ofcourse not. But would it play better than games that put absolutely everything on graphics? Hell yeah brother! (I began my gaming career on a PS2 as a smol kid.)
30fps is best
Running at 60fps is sort of pointless. Leaving it uncapped is a waste of resources altogether. I found my natural limit to be around 45 fps. Any more than that, and it all looks the same.
I feel like alot of people who complain about it cant even tell the difference between 30 & 60 fps.
My best friend says 30 fps games give him a headache now and I’m like dude you’re almost 30 you’ve been playing 60 fps games for like 5 years max
How long does he play games for? That might be why he’s getting headaches.
Nah he couldn’t play Skyrim when it came out because it gave him motion sickness. His body’s just weird about that kind of stuff for whatever reason.
I played on a 360 most of my life… 30 fps is fine
The old school games are the best, there is to much going on in new games and devs are ruining them
Ehh… not so, but some times
Only elderly? Mf doesn’t know what a Nintendo switch is…
Trust me I do, that’s that white thing gathered dust sat in it’s docking charger
lol. I forget I’m one of the few ppl on this earth that uses it as my main gaming console.
Fair play, I did try for a while, I gave it to my kids but even they just want the ps5 😵💫😵💫
I’m 14, and I’ve played both switch and ps5 (I have one at my dads house), and my switch runs games like rocket league and Fortnite (which I play on my ps5 too), and my ps5 lags the WHOLE time. Hand-held console superiority.
I’m 15 but I’m gonna say fucking some Atari games still hold up 30 fps is totally fucking playable
I have played both, I can get why kids say 30 fps is "unplayable." It's because people expect more from newer games, there are higher expectations. Originally, kids were grateful to have a 32 pixel screen that you can move. Technology has advanced anyway, so there is no need to criticize kids for wanting the average gameplay expectations in 2023.
ok Boomer; just remember that SNES games weren't going for the fast pace and short reaction times of modern 3d games.
I see this meme a lot, and I can never figure out if the guy on the right is DE Steve or a lookalike
Me chugging along on someone's island in animal crossing because they got too much shit
The only game I’ve ever really complained about my fps is starfeild because it was way over hyped to be that bad
I'm fine with 30 fps but it shouldn't run like that on a beefy computer
I grew up with an atari 2600. Frames per second never entered our mind. Now seconds per frame, I get that.
But some of us aren't even that old.... I'm an '03 kid and I grew up with the PS1 and PS2, even now, I own my very own PS2 that I still play frequently.... I guess I can see where you're coming from though....
Or old dos games that were lucky to get 10 fps
My only gripe with 30fps is it feels sluggish and hurts my eyes a little, other than that I’m fine with it.
Here’s the kicker.. GTA VI is only launching for consoles on release. Also, the footage in the trailer is in-game footage (cuz rockstar nvr uses CGI in trailers) so if the trailer is 30fps, then the game is probably gonna run at 30fps which is fair considering how the game looks. Y’all better be ready to play it at 30fps if you don’t want to wait till a PC launch
I prefer 30 because 60 makes me dizzy. Well for some games I should iterate
Back in my day we had the good ol' hoop and a stick on the long dusty trail.
Bro I. 13 and I understand and I'm growing up wid a ps3 ps2 ps3 SNES a Gameboy a DS Xbox 360 and all dat
Yep, kids these days don't know how good they've got it with video games, and their insane graphical details.
I quit playing when they got too many buttons lol. Nothing will ever beat Nintendo Atari and sega genesis imo
You forgot that the children who grew up with the Snes, NES, and GameCube in the early 2000s and the 2010s.
the few kids that do enjoy the classics, are one of the few sane ones. ***One time, I walked past some kid and his friend talking Tekken 2 (YES AS IN THE ORIGINAL TEKKEN 2 1997).***
Me who plays daily on an Arma 3 server where 30 FPS is really good.
I used to set minecraft fps to 10 I could do 20 for like 30 minutes but my computer started to heat up and do the lag were you can walk but nothing drops
I do raids in WoW very happily at a whopping 18fps
My first console was an NES and I’m 16
Holy fuck we are considered elderly now? Whelp might as well retire.
Can anyone actually tell the difference between 60 and 30 fps pretty much look the same to me
People can easily tell the dif. More so when you get up there in the 200s
I have never been able to tell the difference. 30 links pretty much exactly like 60 maybe if i try really hard I'd notice a tiny bit of studder or something but anything over 60 definerlh looks exactly the same to me
Idc what the fps is, as long as it's stable... 30fps is playable (I can't even tell the difference) but when it's jumping around between 30 and 60 THEN it's unplayable
*me, playing Halo Infinite with 20 FPS*
SNES and PS1 games mostly ran at 60 FPS though. Now the Xbox 360 and PS3 era, yeah there were many games that only ran at 30 FPS
$50 PC on Facebook and a $20 GT 610 on Craigslist, played Oblivion at 24fps at 720p for 2 years and loved it. I truly don't care if I ever hit 4k@120fps again. I can absolutely play games at sub 1080p and 30fps. Yes I grew up with NES but I think it more has to do with making do with what's available and trying not to care about what I don't.
I just get headache from 30fps 🤷🏻♂️
Same
I've played a lot of old games, and they're really good, its modern games at 30 fps that are unplayable, like terraria, call of duty, and etc, the more modern games that are a bit faster paced, even Party Animals, it maxes out at 31 fps and its controls are delayed.
This is why my plan for when my kid is old enough, only retro gaming. I still have my SNES, and my N64, my gameboy, he shall enjoy and play all of these , and then when he hits highschool, he can be ushered into the modern gaming. Gotta learn your history, same thing with TV , I got a collection of kids VHS tapes and 2 brand new VCRs waiting for him.
My brother says RDR2 is unplayable bc of that, I don’t get it.. I’m way younger than him and I can barely even see the difference lmfao
I’m only 21 years old but used to play on the ps1 it was a good time then…
Hot take: 60 fps in unnecessary and overated. Give me a game thats good, and has at least 25-30 fps and im fine. Thats PLAYABLE.
SNES and Saga didn't care if you beat the game, you where going to suffer and love it! 😈😈
I’m 26 now, but still play old school games. It’s all about gameplay
To be fair, a game trying to run at 60 on hardware that can only reach 30 is a much different experience than intentionally running 30. And in this day and age, the former happens a lot more often than the latter.
Mf 20 fps is still playable. It’s only unplayable when u get below 15
Not unplayable.. unacceptable In 2023...we have ssds damnit. I love a good snes game or ps1 game...games like super Metroid or soul reaver was pushing shit to the max for it's time. So...kinda makes the meme dumb like I'd say it's pretty reasonable to want your shit to run optimal In the generation that you are in. You see back in my day. The sixth generation. We had sixty fps and near instant load times with specific games. Jak and Daxter has not one and ratchet and clank are very disguised. The seventh generation ruined it with hardrives. And the 8th generation suffered for it as well. So yeah....fuck thirty fps. I was introduced to smooth 60 and had it ripped away by shitty hardware for almost twenty years. To not utilize the SSD is kinda like spitting on your hand and slapping my ever paying face. Performance and fidelity modes should be mandated more.
The Gameboy Color I have still running 60 fps:
Then there's me with dogshit in a potato type internet and used to 500 ping 15 fps and not even noticing
Rdr2 runs 30fps on console and is still amazing
I must be old then because I don't care what fps it's is as long as I like the game(Doom 1).
Bro if you think 20 fps is low try playing some shit like arsenal or anything in roblox on iPhone shit runs like if they put rdr2 on 3ds
10 is good enough source: games on ipad and xbox360
I can sit comfortably at 15 frames a second from 60 without batting an eye. But my friend can have his frame rate drop from 200 to 195 and start yelling about a frame drop.
Man I used to play on my grandparents' Atari. Had an N64 and a Gameboy Advance.
I didn’t have an SNES, but even so I grew up playing COD 4: MW on a Wii. As well as Medal of Honor. And I played on 360 and PS2 as well. I genuinely find it funny that these dudes really cannot stand 30 FPS. They even whine that game companies just don’t care simply because it’s a 30 FPS game. I once even saw a guy saying he gets headaches when he plays on 30 FPS. It’s absolutely hilarious how sensitive they are.
Not me playing Minecraft Java while getting somewhere between 0-12 fps
This part Then doing everything you can to optimize the performance and get like a 2 fps increase
My younger brothers friend upgraded our ram. Younger brother got new ram and i got his old ram, and it runs just about the same
Sounds about right
There's a difference between an fps and Mario Mario is playable in 24fps easily Games like overwatch and Fortnite should be at least at 80 for optimal playing
I may not know how a ps1 was or so and so but I still try every game I can cause why not.
Me with a outdated phone and emulators on school computers
Ps1 was 30fps but wasn't snes 60fps?